this chanel has echo
#assassination
zealous moth
ebon steppe
you guys are all going into the case study about mimicry
sudden lagoon
Before every key I watch havoc FDK get invited then go back to typing here
ebon steppe
that was a test
zealous moth
someone check that out
fallow canopy
Gotem
balmy condor
this chanel has echo
I feel a draft
balmy condor
we should board up the discord
ebon steppe
This channel has liquid
balmy condor
not for aynthing else
autumn idol
we should board up the discord
ebon steppe
I felt it
balmy condor
no, we're draughting the m+ tierlist
zealous moth
@grok please give me the bis gear list for ass rogue thanks
thorn thorn
Before every key, I actually just go on raider.io, find the rogue with the biggest score, open their best key from the dungeon I'm about to run, and just blindly copy everything 1 to 1
That way when the tank calls the hunter in the party a slur for missing a kick and the healer hearths out and bricks the key, I can rest easy knowing that I am just like the best player in the world
balmy condor
Before every key, I actually just go on raider.io, find the rogue with the bigge...
bro the bit is over already
who are you
thorn thorn
More evidence for my study
zealous moth
forgive him, he has discord on IE
thorn thorn
I was busy telling chat gpt to grammar check it
balmy condor
https://tenor.com/view/unc-uncle-old-moment-unc-moment-gif-17249427009575850867
bro I'm pushing 30
thorn thorn
humble verge
this fuck has sat here
for an hour
just declining people
fdhuIASDFIUHOAWuiofhaw9uhwijadfuhoijawfduhojiwad
zealous moth
based
zealous moth
would do the same
ebon steppe
frozen glacier
me in a 15 halls and i get asked to put on wound poison for mini boss, i tell them i wont have aoe then and they bitched about my damage after mini boss
thorn thorn
this fuck has sat here
I wish nothing but a party full of fotm rerollers to people who do this
young reef
me in a 15 halls and i get asked to put on wound poison for mini boss, i tell th...
should that only be done on sub?
humble verge
me in a 15 halls and i get asked to put on wound poison for mini boss, i tell th...
me actually going wound poison got me resi 16
timber nymph
is assa fix ?
frozen glacier
yes
zealous moth
yes
thorn thorn
No
humble verge
yes
tawdry halo
No but it doesnt matter its not broken
thorn thorn
Yall are all going in the case study
zealous moth
hell yeah
humble verge
shut up don't missinform people
topaz cedar
!guide
zealous moth
look mom, i'm made it to the brain damage study c:
maiden sierra
why not max dagger?
humble verge
why not max dagger?
re-read it
humble verge
no wonder
wait wtf
i thought
it was a cat with some hat
idk
this is cursed rob
fuk you
maiden sierra
maiden sierra
balmy condor
let it be known
humble verge
haughty flicker
tawdry halo
was me shitposting
poor bot died to an irrational number
balmy condor
I would !warn you for this but the bots dead so I'm just
okay
well
you could that instead
maiden sierra
lmao
balmy condor
adios
maiden sierra
is he safe?
balmy condor
where is uber
he's taking a vacation
woven frost
Coming back into discord and just seeing random cat gifs kind of makes me happy
maiden sierra
i see
fallow canopy
maiden sierra
I gave him an all expense trip to bahamas
guess i gotta take his place for a bit until hes back
balmy condor
my H Jastor is still bis for dungeons
is it proccing though
thorn thorn
maiden sierra
https://tenor.com/view/you-have-alerted-the-cat-cat-has-been-alerted-gif-2635187...
(This is my cat)
woven frost
Is your cat a rogue dev?
maiden sierra
Is your cat a rogue dev?
yes, hes currently sleeping on the job
woven frost
Explains so much
Honestly I'm concerned they're holding the rogue devs hostage in a storage closet at this point. If y'all are among us, blink twice so we know you're okay
We are concerned for your wellbeing
zealous moth
maybe we don't have 15 bugged tallents
zealous moth
maybe we just have to take the first letter of every bugged talent
and it makes a message from the rogue devs
woven frost
Maybe we're holding it wrong
maiden sierra
honestly there is most likely no "rogue dev" but an intern that is made to work on 3 classes at once
woven frost
Deciphered the message it say, "Give me a raise."
zealous moth
the rogue dev is a grey parsing outlaw player
woven frost
Outlaw is in a worse place than we are
maiden sierra
i heard that the rogue dev is the DH dev
woven frost
Our brothers in pain
maiden sierra
which explains a lot
pallid pecan
Outlaw is in a worse place than we are
that's why he says it, blizzard hates rogues
maiden sierra
im gonna play wordle
woven frost
omg that haricut
maiden sierra
you cannot stop the word of the day whispyr
shrewd night
Lets fix that
tawdry halo
ionic ermine
lmao i hover ravenholdt and it shows rob playing wordle
maiden sierra
HE STOPPED IT
lucid silo
dont allow them to take away our wordle
maiden sierra
I CANNOT PLAY
vernal shadow
lucid silo
RIOT
vernal shadow
Me seeing class tuning on wow head.
ionic ermine
Me seeing class tuning on wow head.
hahahaha legit
scroll down aaaaaand its not there
runic hinge
Please don’t
ionic ermine
thats far too cringe lets not
severe meadow
That’s gotta be bait
lucid silo
lets enable activities and play wordle that will show blizzard
shrewd night
Aaaaand its gone
maiden sierra
i need to know, @balmy condor @shrewd night which one of you stopped my wordle 
balmy condor
I did
shrewd night
maiden sierra
maiden sierra
balmy condor
except I already did it today in a different discord and tilted through the roof
runic hinge
Wordle 1539 3/6
⬜🟩⬜⬜🟩
⬜🟩⬜⬜🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
maiden sierra
is how do we get rid of this
i left my permament mark
lucid silo
wordle is the only thing that can fix assassination bugs
balmy condor
Do you mute that guy for filter evasion?
what guy
lucid silo
is how do we get rid of this
you have to let him start wordle so he can leave it
runic hinge
This one
maiden sierra
let me try start wordle in my guild discord
runic hinge
Wordle too hard
runic hinge
Nice
runic hinge
<a:ppepoLeaveFinger:759483153617649744>
I changed my mog so I’m purple cat now
shrewd night
runic hinge
I like the purple one from Archeology but I gotta flex sparkle kitty with upcoming legion remix
maiden sierra
except I already did it today in a different discord and tilted through the roof
OMG
what a word
10/10
balmy condor
what a word
maiden sierra
ez
tall cradle
hey lads in bleed build do we blanket everything in rupture or we stick to 5 > envenoms
balmy condor
the latter
in big pulls it can be worth to rupture 1-2 extra times just to make sure you can keep your scent of blood up
a lot of times there's some goofy piss mobs in those big pulls that'll eat your carnage ruptures
tall cradle
and in execute is it worth to vanish bleed and shiv for execute
tall cradle
thanks
haughty flicker
Counterpoint
Demisemaxxing
Don't let whispyr stop you from living your best life
fallow canopy
Embrace demise gaming
normal mist
i know you guys must have talked about this already but i was asleep and i wanna post it anyway
thats some next lvl headliner
vale shore
Do not let Nexus-King mind control you as the encounter resets! You will spend the rest of the night having all of your attacks parried or missing. I had to use the stuck character service just to get out of the raid.
restive falcon
close the discord so we are fixed !
normal mist
That's some "two steps ahead" mindset. Mind controlled and spared into obeying the boss
vale shore
That's some "two steps ahead" mindset. Mind controlled and spared into obeying t...
yeah it was crazy
lethal arrow
cant believe they aint fixing bugs
burnt star
cant believe they aint fixing bugs
cant believe they arent even aknoledging them
vale shore
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/F2cXtjJ9gfTnYZ1v?fight=5 here is the kill with the bug, my miss rate was crazy
fresh kelp
the fateful kingsbane parry returns
vale shore
yeah, that was painful, I was about to have an aneurism before we realized I was bugged
woeful galleon
is prism actually good for keys? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9c7HtYgYFNi5FQLyvhURFj
barren yarrow
i normally stand on the side
latent kernel
5 updoots to whoever can tell me what meta actually stands for trivia time
manic haven
Most effective tactic available
balmy condor
5 updoots to whoever can tell me what meta actually stands for trivia time
means you never meta bitch in your life
normal mist
LOL
manic haven
He wins
balmy condor
:)
vale shore
I never metamorphosis I didn't like!
latent kernel
means you never meta bitch in your life
Bro rogues don’t have execute wtf
earnest remnant
normal mist
You're
latent kernel
The warrior ability not the class of abilities
vale shore
you evaded a joke that went right over your head
latent kernel
or am i falling for bait
Bro is about to feint
spring prawn
am i cooked or why does my assa rogue sim better w 20k vers and 10k crit than going crit/mastery? xd
normal mist
Because robot said so
tawdry halo
praise be the robot
spring prawn
is robot jebaiting me?
normal mist
No
latent kernel
am i cooked or why does my assa rogue sim better w 20k vers and 10k crit than go...
So basically what you have to do when you sim is
normal mist
You just don't understand stats
spring prawn
explain?
spring prawn
@normal mist i have "bis" assa gear and "bis" sub gear, and my assa sims better in sub gear than in actual assa gear. same ilvl etc. i ran like 20 sims
i dont get it
normal mist
explain?
Basically all 4 stats are important. If you have too much of 1 stat, the other stats gain more value over that one
vale shore
how much better, as a percentage?
latent kernel
Dude it’s probably because you need to do
vale shore
and transmog
latent kernel
Did you try equipping cyrces
spring prawn
Did you try equipping cyrces
normal mist
<@256188402116984832> i have "bis" assa gear and "bis" sub gear, and my assa sim...
Can you tell me what's bis assa gear?
And please don't tell me full mastery CRIT gear
spring prawn
Can you tell me what's bis assa gear?
21k vers 10k crit apparently
vale shore
the fateful kingsbane parry returns
I am not at the minimum +hit gear!
normal mist
21k vers 10k crit apparently
What Ilvl are you and what are you simming for?
spring prawn
What Ilvl are you and what are you simming for?
714 patchwerk or aoe both same result
thorn thorn
A frequently missed detail about "bis" is that it is only accounting for fully maxed ilvl on all slots
Can and will change a bit if your slots are lower ilvl than what is considered "bis"
Ignoring trinkets and weapons
Since those typically wont change
normal mist
You mean trinkets and special items and 1 crafted dagger + 1 crafted off set for the 2nd emb
normal mist
Even MH is just ilvl
thorn thorn
Its basically
If have special effect without cutting into stat budget, bis
If trinket good, bis
vale shore
Embellishments are fake
you mean they are just playful exaggerations added into the story for entertainment?
thorn thorn
It really is that shrimple
normal mist
you mean they are just playful exaggerations added into the story for entertainm...
They used to be good
Long long time ago
vale shore
They used to be good
NOW who is embellishing!?
normal mist
When they scaled with the item lvl
thorn thorn
you mean they are just playful exaggerations added into the story for entertainm...
They are very literally yea
red wolf
!wa
thorn thorn
Is moroes still kill
snow hamlet
void rampart
Hey guys, I was wondering by chance if you guys have any recommendations of good Youtubers when it comes to learning assassination rogue in particular
thorn thorn
Hey guys, I was wondering by chance if you guys have any recommendations of good...
Whispyr
normal mist
Hey guys, I was wondering by chance if you guys have any recommendations of good...
Whispyr or shindigg
Both have YouTube content
Both are amazing
Whispyr is a bit more beautiful tho
reef aspen
Yo why is this discord still up and running?
normal mist
We don't believe in shutting it down
Can you imagine the amount of folks that would be losing their mind because they couldn't talk to their homies if it was locked or shut down?!
scenic nacelle
Yo why is this discord still up and running?
because we rogues chill like that
thorn thorn
The ret discord being the most deranged immature discord was actually in my bingo card for 2025
hollow whale
because we rogues chill like that
%20 of rogue doesnt work but we chill like that
spice surge
Besides blizzard balances based on numbers and data from their game, not based on some random fandriven discord shuts down or not
jaunty sky
Can you imagine the amount of folks that would be losing their mind because they...
All 10 of us?? Horrible
vale shore
"If I had to choose between satisfying honor and getting the job done, I would choose the mission every time." -- Mathias Shaw (Rogue) To Halford Wyrmbane (Paladin)
spice surge
Believing the ret pala discord shutdown actually had any impact is delusional behaviour
thorn thorn
Believing the ret pala discord shutdown actually had any impact is delusional be...
Its on track for them
spice surge
(besides making fools out of themselves)
thorn thorn
The mods there are extremely delusional in general
latent kernel
is there like a percent decrease for how much worse all mythic+ gear will perform in dungeons vs bis gear overall?
thorn thorn
Small enough that im prepared to say its not worth worrying about
Unless you are missing big trinkets
Like lily (M+)
In 2025 your gears ilvl is almost always going to be more important excluding core slots like trinkets, weapons, cantrip slots (and to some extent set bonuses)
jaunty sky
If hes all m+ gear hes got lily
thorn thorn
Thats why great uncle whispyr is always bitching about gearing not being real
jaunty sky
For sure
thorn thorn
Cuz its really only 3/4 slots that will matter most
thorn thorn
If hes all m+ gear hes got lily
Yea that trinket def exists bro trust me
jaunty sky
U cant tell me u only do m+ and then not have the only usable 1.5min trinket
thorn thorn
normal mist
fallow canopy
thorn thorn
thorn thorn
<:garf:1320173032743899157>
jaunty sky
Oh yeah speaking of lily i finally played 4set fatebound today, very weird to not double shiv every KB
fallow canopy
<:xla:1283127722180087808>
lethal arrow
Oh yeah speaking of lily i finally played 4set fatebound today, very weird to no...
u werent doing that in DS either
jaunty sky
runic hinge
<:garf:1320173032743899157>
Can I borrow this
fallow canopy
Can I borrow this
sure, just bring it back on tuesday
runic hinge
Okie
gray hazel
How are you guys feeling with lily trink every 1.5m vs prisim every 3min?
jaunty sky
Lily looks better on pull cause bigger number
latent kernel
should i be using lily on cd or waiting for deathmark everytime in keys
normal mist
Dm
latent kernel
so not worth it send it outside of dm
normal mist
Is your signet proccing CRIT?
latent kernel
mast
jaunty sky
Are u sure its 100% always proccing mastery
normal mist
Makes no sense then if it's 100% proccing mastery
latent kernel
710 signet has less mastery than 710 lily
jaunty sky
Like even with alchemical flask on crit, pacemaker running and ascension fully stacked
jaunty sky
710 signet has less mastery than 710 lily
Whats the duration on the trinkets
normal mist
15 lily vs 20 signet
latent kernel
signet is 20 vs 15s on lily
latent kernel
Like even with alchemical flask on crit, pacemaker running and ascension fully s...
correct
jaunty sky
Link the sim
latent kernel
stats currently without any flasks
normal mist
How much crit/mastery do you have o.o
jaunty sky
slim copper
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/M1jAK7zVQYyXF9fb?fight=15&type=damage-done
It's not much but its honest work
latent kernel
<:HonklerGun:1106408274183585802>
why am i being clowned
oh wait i had the wrong ring on sec
stable sinew
Just get prism call it a day
normal mist
No :C
jaunty sky
why am i being clowned
Stat percent doesnt matter, the raw number does
And without you showing the sim all we can say is 'wow i guess'
stable sinew
I love the 3k agility on first pull of dungeons
latent kernel
in a key hold on sassy pants
lean ether
Sure this may have been posted but cant find. For M+ would I want lily or signet. Seems like Lily doesnt line up with anything smoothly is it still better?
spice surge
Forge or prism usually
stable sinew
Even with lily you just send with death mark
latent kernel
if we dont have stealth to put out garrotes, you just focus on putting ruptures for buff and then just garrote main target right
for m+
twin hull
if we dont have stealth to put out garrotes, you just focus on putting ruptures ...
only for FOK in 10 targets giving u 1 combo point
brittle cloud
Feels like the pin should say “if/when”…
thorn thorn
Whispyr has faith it will be fixed soon
open marlin
is there an opener graphic that i'm just missing (single target)?
marsh fjord
for fatebound?
open marlin
yeah
open marlin
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve...
thank you
zealous moth
is there an opener graphic that i'm just missing (single target)?
i think it's the same as ds except you shiv before deathmark
and macro cold blood to kb
marsh fjord
and you gotta vanish
vale fox
latent kernel
dude assa single target in like 14s feels like such dogshit lol
open marlin
just have the tank pull onto the boss, ez
latent kernel
i mean sure but when i obliterate the adds then what lol
the overall dmg is always good just the boss damage is a SLOG
open marlin
i usually went with "guys, stop killing my combo point generators, god..."
zealous moth
just close your eyes and repeat after me
it is what it is
inb4, i already fucked up and crafted an oh dagger bc i had a veteran, what should my next craft be? embelished wrists or crit/mastery ring?
just go wrist and prayge for a ring from m+?
dim nymph
dang class tuning 5 hours ago?? rouge buff wher?? bug fixes where??
oak eagle
inb4, i already fucked up and crafted an oh dagger bc i had a veteran, what shou...
sim yourself
tawdry halo
dang class tuning 5 hours ago?? rouge buff wher?? bug fixes where??
Never
Blizzard gave up and is now 100% focused on midnight
graceful plinth
the bugfix is coming in the form of a spec rework in midnight kekw
agile locust
In regards to Shiv and KB, we only Shiv for the second time when the first Shiv fades and not the last 8 seconds anymore?
astral current
In regards to Shiv and KB, we only Shiv for the second time when the first Shiv ...
shiv on fade while KB+DM is up
just on KB shiv on 8 seconds
night vessel
So they did class tuning without fixing assa kek
dim meteor
vanish cd is every 2 mins or every 1.5 min?
dim meteor
ok so use vanish every 3 mins with fb
marsh fjord
Yes
marsh fjord
idk how rogues are starting fights at lik 7-9m dps on single target raid boss
Having good coin openers
dim meteor
so i want to keep getting tails?
dim meteor
or edge
marsh fjord
The coins are out of control. you dont even look at them
There is no point in saying. oh you want this or that
its out of your control
only thing you can do is double coin in the start
dim meteor
so on opener i vanish before fatebound?
marsh fjord
With prism you vanish before DM
So its like
Shiv - vanish - DM - KB
shiv 8 seconds later again
dim meteor
coldblood before KB?
main bridge
#showtooltip kingsbane
/cast cold blood
/cast kingsbane
No on fatebound
you macro prism to vanish
Thats why your vanish is a 3 min cooldown
acoustic roost
correct
dim meteor
kk
when i have 5 combo points do i use a finisher or is there ever a time it should be 7 points
main bridge
on FB it's 5+ always
the only reason to ever use 7 is with Darkest Night which is only a thing with Deathstalker
dim meteor
okok
so those cooldowns
keep rupture up and garrote
what about ambush i changed improved ambush for tight spender and took it off my bar?
when i have it on in my details it says ambush cast x times but missed x times
robust ember
hey guys, currently i have 2+2 tiers, is it worth to drop the S2 tiers for a 20ilvl increase to become S3 2-tiers only? sim currently telling me a loss of 334k dps if i go for ilvl...does that sound alright?
gaunt sigil
I mean
It sounds like If you want damage stay 2+2 but if you need ilvl or survivability than go with ilvl
waxen oyster
idk how rogues are starting fights at lik 7-9m dps on single target raid boss
standard opener
gaunt sigil
Press buttons in the right order
waxen oyster
hey guys, currently i have 2+2 tiers, is it worth to drop the S2 tiers for a 20i...
s2 tier isnt great you pretty much drop it as soon as you can
bold kestrel
Is there any reason not to craft 2 720 everforged stabbers? I don't anticipate getting a 723 weapon, and just playing around as an alt.
quiet oriole
Anyone rupture snipe the adds on P1 dime?
bold kestrel
Ah so just not as much value comes from the off hand
formal pewter
its the worst piece of gear for us
it does absolutely nothing besides give u stats
even the worst piece of gear is a better upgrade
royal hazel
No class tuning for rogues 🙁
hearty seal
no new pins
smh
onyx pond
I believe they will not bother with us. They dont care cause even with bugs are doing fine in m+
hearty seal
s2 tier isnt great you pretty much drop it as soon as you can
losing the set isn't worth still tho
going from 2-2 to S3 4p is good, going from 2-2 to S3 2p only is a loss even with 20 ilvl deficiency
hearty seal
are you doing a bit
lyric gate
coral ibex
lol
agile locust
In the FB rotation, should I always wait for vanish to be ready for my DM windows?
hearty seal
In the FB rotation, should I always wait for vanish to be ready for my DM window...
no, just drop it every 3 mins
(every 2 DMs)
agile locust
Thanks
lyric gate
but deathmark has 2 min cd wtf
hearty seal
sadly, no
hearty seal
would've been funny to have 40s KB/80s DM, would play hell with all alignments tho
hearty seal
2 bluepost no fucking rogue changes
yep
agile locust
Do I need to wait for 2 charges of Shiv for every DM window?
hearty seal
Do I need to wait for 2 charges of Shiv for every DM window?
you don't blow a second shiv on every second KB instead
so it's DM+KB+2 shivs, then KB+1 shiv 45 seconds later, then another DM+KB+2 shivs at 1:30
with your every second KB, use a Shiv at the last 8 seconds of KB
agile locust
On the KB window it at last 8 sec and now before I press KB?
So the send Shiv in the DM window is when the first one drops of or last 8 seconds?
zenith elm
hearty seal
So the send Shiv in the DM window is when the first one drops of or last 8 secon...
DM+KB window: shiv, DM, Vanish, KB, another shiv when KB has 8 seconds left
KB window: KB, shiv when KB has 8 seconds left
agile locust
Thank you
balmy condor
thats rough
grim jay
would've been funny to have 40s KB/80s DM, would play hell with all alignments t...
ngl it would blow insanely hard
agile locust
What would be the minimum number of seconds we’d use major cooldowns on mobs before they die?
In m+
grim jay
What would be the minimum number of seconds we’d use major cooldowns on mobs bef...
personally only if I think they will live through most or all of it
agile locust
16?
grim jay
ye like 13-16
agile locust
Thanks
warm flint
are we saved gang
weary spear
Yeah they fixed the bugs check tuning notes
agile locust
What’s the maximum number of Garrotes I need to apply before it’s too many?
weary spear
What do u mean too many
oblique slate
2 bluepost no fucking rogue changes
I just want the bugs to be fixed man
weary spear
Just send garrotes if ur in carnage window and it’s a big pull
open jolt
Chat be honest is it an L setup? (Ignore the monitors not being the same height I don't have an articulating monitor mount yet)
grim jay
looks pretty good, even tho I dont really get the couch behind the desk
and the desk would personally be too short
open jolt
looks pretty good, even tho I dont really get the couch behind the desk
Living in a temporary home while I wait for an apartment
bitter solar
looks pretty good, even tho I dont really get the couch behind the desk
he's auditioning
open jolt
Not my couch
warm flint
bug fixes arent always on notes mmmmmaaaybeeee they fixed it. not at home so cant test
grim jay
Living in a temporary home while I wait for an apartment
ah alright, doesnt hinder the gaming anyways tho
but desk short, other than that its good
open jolt
and the desk would personally be too short
I play fps games so normally my keyboard is slanted so more mouse space
But I hate the L desk icl
I liked it at first
But now it is causing me left elbow issues
grim jay
I play fps games so normally my keyboard is slanted so more mouse space
same but still short for my chair, my size and personal wellbeing
my desk is 1.6m
bitter solar
But now it is causing me left elbow issues
Why not make the left side desk your main one and have the curve on the right?
open jolt
Why not make the left side desk your main one and have the curve on the right?
Because then it will cause issues for my aiming arm
Which would be far worse
I already have issues with that arm to begin with
grim jay
I respect the weird keyboard ngl, keyboard enthusiasts are scarce
open jolt
I respect the weird keyboard ngl, keyboard enthusiasts are scarce
I actually hate the base for it 😭 I just have not gotten around to ordering a wooden one yet
A real wooden one is expensive af
Like 500 CAD
bitter solar
Because then it will cause issues for my aiming arm
Are they the same length, i have an L shaped desk with the L on my left and have plenty of room (both parts of 'L' are different sides)
hearty seal
What’s the maximum number of Garrotes I need to apply before it’s too many?
eyeball the pack
multiply your garrote presses by 2
as soon as it's over the presumed enemy count, stop
TL:DR: try not to garrote like 5 times if there are 7 mobs only, you'll have them all after the 3rd
open jolt
Are they the same length, i have an L shaped desk with the L on my left and have...
When I say issues I mean health issues
It is not healthy for your elbow to be on a desk
bitter solar
When I say issues I mean health issues
As am i lol. I had a dropped shoulder from it. But i'm just stating if the main parts are different lengths you can move further from the curve
grim jay
A real wooden one is expensive af
yeah I'm not deep into that topic, I just respect it. I usually get the imo best gaming keyboard I can get and settle with that. currently using a huntsman v3 pro tkl
open jolt
yeah I'm not deep into that topic, I just respect it. I usually get the imo best...
Ew razer
grim jay
first optical after a decade of mechanicals
open jolt
The switches sound so gross
bitter solar
I turned down a stand desk from my employer, i regret it now
open jolt
I make custom keyboards because of switches
Being able to use switches I like the sound of
My next keyboard will have pewter switches
This one has drop pandas
grim jay
The switches sound so gross
I cant hear them most of the time either way and sadly razer is as good as it gets for gaming keyboards. steelseries keyboard sounds a little better but feels worse, thats about it. after that you get into wooting territory
open jolt
I cant hear them most of the time either way and sadly razer is as good as it ge...
Wooting is good because it is hotswap
Meaning you can put your own switches in
The only switches that matter for the banned functionality is wasd
grim jay
I never had proper enthusiast switches, so in that case ignorance is bliss
open jolt
Go listen to pewter switches
grim jay
no because I might end up buying some
open jolt
😭😭
grim jay
for the 20 min in a month that I actually hear my switches
open jolt
LMFAO
grim jay
young reef
holy shit i hate swapping specs this season
remember what combo of wraps gem and belt effect sims best on each build
nerf the belt blizzard!!!!11!
wide flare
11.2.5 the belt will be nerfed
fervent adder
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
grim jay
remember what combo of wraps gem and belt effect sims best on each build
Idk you just use the same on sub and sin for all builds
young reef
not really stat weights can be weird
its not a huuuuge difference
i think having wrong belt is probably the worst damage loss tho
runic hinge
Never seen a stat weight in 15 years
young reef
obv not huyge but annoying
runic hinge
15k
young reef
if they're both wrong it can be bigger lol
tawdry halo
Guarantee I’ll fuck up the rotation at least once which will probably cost me 50k dps
So idk you can be sweaty if you want but
runic hinge
Just having gems is 90% of the way
young reef
this is a free damage loss
runic hinge
Can have haste vers gems in every slot and it’s fine
tawdry halo
Just saying it probably won’t be the difference between timing the key / killing the boss and not
runic hinge
Miss a shiv and you’ll lose more dps than the whole gem combo
young reef
if you switch between assa and subs it kind of matters
young reef
if your assa really needs haste and you put the haste belt on and forget your sub is gimped
tawdry halo
Sub and sin aren’t so different, particularly in n+
young reef
like idk what to say its just trure
runic hinge
50k dps is that 1%?
tawdry halo
Yeh
young reef
it could be even worse with haste
runic hinge
Wowie
grim jay
if your assa really needs haste and you put the haste belt on and forget your su...
Just use mastery gem for cloak and crit thingy for belt
And get appropriate gear
runic hinge
I bet it’s 1% lol
runic hinge
young reef
90% of this game is stacking up 1% upgrades until your character is significantly better
small differences are whatever
1% matters
you pog over a 1% increase gear drop 100%
thats the game
tawdry halo
Ok then
If that’s the game
Then just remember to switch gear and gems
We’re trying to tell you not to worry if you forget
But if it’s that big a deal then idk man sweat it hard when you forget then
runic hinge
Rotation better be perfect for that 1% to matter enough
young reef
unfortunately i dual spec
tawdry halo
I don’t understand
subtle tundra
where is assa better
tawdry halo
What were you looking for here
young reef
idk? to vent? maybe other people relate? its just a slightly annoying thing?
i understand the concept of 1%
dont need it explained to me
runic hinge
Where’s the idk I just equip ilvl bell curve meme
tawdry halo
subtle tundra
WHERE IS ASSA BETTER
young reef
guess not
balmy condor
WHERE IS ASSA BETTER
Your assa is always bis
runic hinge
Ayo
balmy condor
runic hinge
He’s gonna meow for you now
subtle tundra
Your assa is always bis
you added an additional "a" at the end
visual sun
If 1% matters why are you here
you are my 1% ❤️
tawdry halo
Assa is better in all situations because checks notes I cbf learning another spec
subtle tundra
ill give you a rimbjob
tawdry halo
balmy condor
runic hinge
Yes perfect
keen spruce
subtle tundra
<:WHAT:960270354759163955>
my guild finished wr 16 the tier i dont play
i guess that was the secret sauce, no varas
young reef
my real cope is because everything i need is locked behind my vault next week
so for now its 1% xdd
young reef
very interesting
runic hinge
That’s me on the left
runic hinge
young reef
just reminded me i need to gem my necks brb
hexed harbor
whispyr helped me figure out that im terrible at rogue and need classes for rotation lol. needless to say its cool learning, but the rotation feels weird
dps got better. but not like a crazy amount better lol
heavy agate
!bug
prisma monolithBOT
Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:
- Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
- Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied
As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.
runic hinge
September 13th
subtle tundra
September 13th <:HOLY:1250893440183570533>
thats in a week!
vagrant olive
Does Atrophic Poision stack if you have two rogues using it in raid? Or should the one use Numbing?
balmy condor
Yes it stacks
vagrant olive
Ok, thanks!
normal mist
No problem at all.
jagged niche
I have already a 720 crafted weapon, and im not expecting to be killing mythic raid for the weapon soon, would it be worth it to craft another 720 for my offhand?
hexed harbor
Practice makes perfect
is this a lil better than 1.43b? 
im assuming you really want your caustic spatter to be higher. but its techincally a work in progress right now
normal mist
I have already a 720 crafted weapon, and im not expecting to be killing mythic r...
No
jagged niche
Oh so what better use are my gilded crests now for?
normal mist
Either upgrade your hero/myth track items or use raidbots to simulate if a ring or a neck would be a better use of those gilded
Or just go into raidbots and press the "upgrade selected items" and see what the robot says
jagged niche
Lookikg for advice how to improve this gear specifically
normal mist
I just gave you the answer
normal mist
Also I don't see you rings and neck having 2 sockets each
There's a video explaining how to use raidbots, let me ask whispyr for help
jagged niche
How do i get a hold of those? Are they crafted?
Sorry im kinda new, just started 3 week ago
normal mist
@balmy condor if you're awake, what's the command for the raidbots guide?
jagged niche
!raidbots
balmy condor
!simguide
prisma monolithBOT
Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights
For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.
normal mist
Thanks my love
balmy condor
Thanks my love
Hey man if things with you’re wife don’t work out you know where to find me
hexed harbor
normal mist
I do know, I can probably reach you if I swim for a few days
wide flare
How much ST dps we currently lose cause of bugs?
normal mist
Not much really
hearty seal
full ST, barely any, I think?
balmy condor
How much ST dps we currently lose cause of bugs?
In what hero talent/situation
jagged niche
Hey man if things with you’re wife don’t work out you know where to find me
I think am getting better after that log review, still WIP though
balmy condor
I think am getting better after that log review, still WIP though
This is by points btw
You won’t “parse” well until you do like 18’s
hearty seal
ST with adds, depends on add thickness but FB loses a bit because FB (not a bug, just shit design)
full-on AoE, DS loses like 10% or more due to bugs
balmy condor
But I’m glad to hear it’s going better!
jagged niche
Which metric do i check to see if I'm actually doing better?
blissful pumice
How much ST dps we currently lose cause of bugs?
We lose funnel dmg in M+ and if u Pull mobs on a boss like Big Momma in Gate we dont do as much dmg to the boss as we should
our ST is shit as always
balmy condor
Which metric do i check to see if I'm actually doing better?
Honestly with m+ logs idk, there’s like key% which is the number on the right if you’re logging the keys
But it’s mostly just “are you timing, are you topping, are you cranking overall”
jagged niche
Oh okay yeah, starting to see colors on those numbers now which were always previously grey
balmy condor
Like quality of your tank determines deadass 30-40% of your damage
Shit it’s silly
Just too many variables
normal mist
M+ solo content when
blissful pumice
M+ is cool if u have 4 friends and a pain if ur a solo dps xD
hexed harbor
I may have missed it but what should I be doing in single target rotation after getting the opener finished? Is it the same thing as aoe or am I suppose to do something different?
wide flare
In what hero talent/situation
Night.
Caustic Spatter, the 5% focus damage we miss seems a bit lose of dps in some raid situations I guess (?)
balmy condor
I may have missed it but what should I be doing in single target rotation after ...
Consume darkest night with 7cp envenom, maintain gar/rup/ct, shiv as long as you have 2 for the next deathmark, pissvibe and do some mechanics
balmy condor
Night.
Caustic Spatter, the 5% focus damage we miss seems a bit lose of dps in ...
Yeah so in raids you lose a bit of boss damage on soulbinder and forgeweaver, we don’t play deathstalker on forgeweaver because of the bugs, but we still play it on soulbinder
And then every other fight was a Fatebound fight anyway
And the bugs on Fatebound are a dps gain
So
Idk, couple % down on deathstalker depends on how much aoe there is
2ish% up on fatebound
Take your pick
jagged niche
Or just go into raidbots and press the "upgrade selected items" and see what the...
which one?
wide flare
Ye, thx. 👍
normal mist
which one?
Ill do a video rq
rotund oak
jagged niche
Ill do a video rq
thanks ❤️
ebon prism
Are there raid bosses that are easier to perform with sin vs sub?
jagged niche
which one?
droptimizer?
normal mist
@jagged niche This is an example of a ST sim. I have 2k valorstones (needed for upgrade) and 120 gilded. i press the "upgrade max affordable" and just vibe waiting. Theres more to this obviously
you can also sim by adding items, video inc
jagged niche
why this shows for me
normal mist
Because you don't have premium and are forced to do multiple sims in order to find a good answer xD
jagged niche
i dont understand a llot
ill just find a youtube video i think
like i just wanna know:
- with my current equipped items, whats the next efficient path to the next upgrade
jagged niche
<@487486472149270528> This is an example of a ST sim. I have 2k valorstones (nee...
but im running a sim following this one
warm vortex
like i just wanna know:
1. with my current equipped items, whats the next effic...
Droptanizer
jagged niche
dungeon slice
warm vortex
You can sim dungeon drops, raid drops, crafts ect
normal mist
hes talking about upgrading equiped items
jagged niche
like, do i need to know what 'rings/neck' can i craft to replace?
normal mist
which is the first video i sent
warm vortex
hes talking about upgrading equiped items
Ah gotcha
normal mist
if you have too many combinations is because most of your gear can be upgraded, which forced the simulation to do a LOT of combinations
and without premium you have to work around it
warm vortex
Tbh I’m tilted that SV got no love in the patch notes
Same with Assa bugs, but tbh Assa’s in a better place than sv
jagged niche
SV?
normal mist
survival
jagged niche
oh ok
normal mist
on the sim, use latest instead of nightly or weekly
jagged niche
so does selecting all of those upgrade currency i have tell me what best use i got for those currencies
oh shit
normal mist
If you want i can help you this one time with the sim, just send me the simC text over DM
upper spear
whats the command in a macro to make thistle tea not activate twice?
magic meadow
hello guys i coming back to assa. sub is a bit too confusing and too complex for me... and some say that feral is already too complex.
royal lantern
whats the command in a macro to make thistle tea not activate twice?
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
upper spear
!tea
ty
so i can take /castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null and add it to any other macro
upper spear
pvp
royal lantern
*why would you PvP
normal mist
gottem
rotund oak
ppl rly dont value pvp at all i dont get it
normal mist
in the grand scheme of things, its a niche gameplay
upper spear
most ppl cant pvp so they dont
jagged niche
huge shoutout to @normal mist for all the help simming, i appreciate you!
jolly vault
Do we use 2 and 2 set this season?
normal mist
^ if this, yes
lusty narwhal
royal lantern
and you mostly get destroyed by experienced players
you mean quake?
rotund oak
its hard to get into
very true but as all things are,u hav eto start from somewhere
right now i find more entertainment in pvp even if its compeletely broken,getting oneshot by everything
its just more fun
jaunty sky
its hard to get into
i feel like with their tries to seperate pvp gear from the pve gear they made it seem harder to get into
i did a lot of casual pvp in legion and WotLK
in legion i just went in with my random gear and felt like i could do well
WotLK there was the clear goal of grabbing the PvP set
now it's just conquest gear tbh which is kinda the same thing as the wrath stuff
rotund oak
same in cata same in mop as well
jaunty sky
actually I'm hopping into a BG rn
if only they took out that shitty 'keep the orb' MoP one
young reef
how bad is it to sim st for bleed build? sick of waiting for 10 minute dungeon slice sims lol
rotund oak
how bad is it to sim st for bleed build? sick of waiting for 10 minute dungeon s...
lots of ppl?try later,if ppl sim right now doesnt matter what u sim,u will still be queued
brisk forge
10nin?
young reef
i promise im not doing replace existing lol
rotund oak
cant know unless we see it
young reef
if i do like a 1/3 full top gear with dungeon slice its pretty long
brisk forge
Seems the problem is on your side
jaunty sky
how many combinations are u simming
young reef
idk is it too much if i did like 100?
young reef
or say i ran like droptimizer
its taking a hella long itme
thats why im asking if anyone knows how important it is to actually sim the dslice or if the st will be similar for whatever secondaries
jaunty sky
just dont sim EVERY possible combination?
young reef
i think i had a droptimizer go like 30 minutes yesterday
jaunty sky
how many slots do you actually have to make a decision on rn
young reef
mm i guess probably only would be interested in shouldest chest and neck
can u target it?
jaunty sky
like me deciding between ring and amulet craft had 27 combinations and that's only bc i have a lot of random rings in my bag
jaunty sky
can u target it?
yeah you just manually put your shit in to top gear
young reef
ya at this point i definitely dont need the full droptimizer anymore
jaunty sky
you never really do tbh
young reef
true its kind of always a waste if you're simming tier slots
idk i usually approach it at first few weeks of a season like idek what these dungeons drop, run a quick droptimizer
jaunty sky
since we want 4 to 5 slots of tier those are always taken
boots you want the soul hunter ones
trinkets are locked normally
MH and wrist crafted
prefer mastery and crit on same ilvl and jewelry else go higher ilvl on the rest of the slots
royal lantern
idk i usually approach it at first few weeks of a season like idek what these d...
my approach always is just "what dungeon drops a trinket and maybe a weapon" and thats kinda it tbh
only really check the specific loot when there are 1-2 slots missing
tall cradle
lads, do we maintain crimson in ST this iteration?
lyric gate
nice that assa rogue is finally playable after the coming hotfixes
grim jay
Hybrid ya don’t
I mean if you already play hybrid you might aswell just do whatever you like
for no reason
glacial flare
nice that assa rogue is finally playable after the coming hotfixes
Hotfixes? Got a link?
young reef
!up
prisma monolithBOT
chilly grove
No pin no fix
umbral sigil
does the fix preceed the pin or is the pin the catalyst for change in this world of constant uncertainties
sly spoke
lets just accept the bugs as actual nerfs and all migrate to sub lads
spice lagoon
no fuck that
royal lantern
mfs talking about the bugs as if they lose 30% dmg, when in reality most would not even know about them without some clickbait yt videos lol
like, did you guys suddenly look at your singular focus dmg 2weeks ago and went "WTF ITS MISSING SPATTER DMG?????"
sly spoke
one with a functioning brain probably questioned the damage drop off
royal lantern
its even more funny when at season launch everyone was nutting their pants over assa in m+ lmao
spice surge
lets just accept the bugs as actual nerfs and all migrate to sub lads
The famously bug free spec of subtlety rogue
feral wasp
Hi ladz can you help me on why I am doing low damage, my ST is terrible but also on overall aoe I dont think I am doing enough https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/q483DyVz71jf26hZ?fight=last&type=damage-done
young reef
does anyone know where i could find a non-guild group of ppl trying to pug like first 4 mythic instead of just 2
umbral sigil
group finder is probably the only feasible way for that
young reef
yea but first 4 with one groupfinder seems like a pipe dream lol
umbral sigil
pugging first 4 mythic is pipedream in and of itself
young reef
i know communities exist that attempt this stuff but idk how to find
umbral sigil
reddit maybe?
young reef
im part of one but they need someone who will consistently show up more which i cant
young reef
my tazavesh hm ended similarly last week lol
cant immune the frontal on the band boss either apparently
untold snow
but im like 99% certain I immuned it before
and somehow this time it just decided not to get immuned
young reef
this is the suck right
main bridge
why the hell would you stand in the frontal tho
umbral sigil
Hi ladz can you help me on why I am doing low damage, my ST is terrible but also...
I may be reading this wrong but it looks like you didnt open with ambush on any of the bosses
young reef
why the hell would you stand in the frontal tho
idk it was my healer
ramping or some shit idk
i feel like hm should be take no risks though lol
main bridge
yeah
untold snow
at least its good to know that I can survive shit like this with a feint next time on a 17
I'll just cloak + feint
umbral sigil
I may be reading this wrong but it looks like you didnt open with ambush on any ...
shiv placements also seem off
anyone elses sims just saying blast vers/mast
oblique slate
anyone elses sims just saying blast vers/mast
just got told my best fiber for my cloak is the versa one
tawdry halo
Hi ladz can you help me on why I am doing low damage, my ST is terrible but also...
Just based on the number of casts, you aren’t pressing Shiv enough. It’s a 30 second CD, you press it 37 times in a 28min key even though you press Deathmark 13 times. By simple maths, you should be pressing shiv 50+ times in the key to make full use of its cooldown
umbral sigil
I too get confused about shivs, swapping between DS and FB
tawdry halo
Hi ladz can you help me on why I am doing low damage, my ST is terrible but also...
Ct uptime of 60% feels low - it should be up at about the same uptime as rupture, which has an uptime of like 80%+
solar summit
cant find anything online about assa hotfix
nocturne quail
mfs talking about the bugs as if they lose 30% dmg, when in reality most would n...
the damage change was definitely noticeable
solar summit
anyone got a link?
tawdry halo
Hi ladz can you help me on why I am doing low damage, my ST is terrible but also...
Your ST damage is low because you’re not using 2 shiv’s to cover the full Deathmark cooldown, and not using vanish to reapply improved garrotte during this window with master assassin as well.
E.g on braunpike you press Deathmark, then reapply a regular garrotte. You should always have improved garrotte up for Deathmark in ST as it’s a LOT of your damage
spring moat
cant find anything online about assa hotfix
Because there isn’t any
tawdry halo
I may be reading this wrong but it looks like you didnt open with ambush on any ...
Bleed build takes the Subterfuge talent in the Class Tree which gives you 6 seconds leeway on applying Deathstalker’s mark. Probably should be applying it straight away for funnel, but not the end of the world
royal lantern
the damage change was definitely noticeable
i can tell you 100% that it wasnt lol
thinking that you can "notice a bug that makes a passive effect do less dmg" when you also get gear increases that literally make your dmg go higher
is slightly cooked lol
nocturne quail
for you maybe
i look at details/logs semi extensively after push keys, and i 100 percent was doing less prio then i was previously, and thought maybe it was because comp diff, but whispyr video just cemented my concerns
nocturne quail
i can tell you 100% that it wasnt lol
like maybe i wouldnt have assumed it was bugged, but i noticed a diff
main bridge
i was going to type that you do that as a joke but apparently i don't even have to
nocturne quail
and if im getting gear, my prio dam going down, and im paying attention, how would i not notice
i did not realize momentum bug tho
spice surge
I mean it was 2 weeks ago, your gear increases since then should make up for it
5% isnt that huge
main bridge
no time to get gear, too busy inspecting meters
royal lantern
and if im getting gear, my prio dam going down, and im paying attention, how wou...
bro, talking about "noticing prio dmg going down "on week3 keys instead of just thinking "eh, everyone has more gear and stuff dies faster" is just such a insane thing for me, idk
sometimes it confused me how people think about stuff in this game, ngl
tawdry halo
bro, talking about "noticing prio dmg going down "on week3 keys instead of just ...
You mustn’t have the galaxy brain required to see this nuance
strange moss
during indiscriminate carnage, if darkest night is up should i be aiming to proc it or spread dots?
main bridge
read what IC does
royal lantern
even more so when its like eleem said: you literally do more dmg then you did 2 weeks ago lol