adarus is in buttfuck half the time anyway
#assassination
waxen oyster
analog field
In the first 2-3 times in HC i played without ct and i was like why my dmg is so low
zealous moth
with 2 charges in vanish you don't really care
^
royal lantern
dont use cds during intermission
where is "get benched for a ranged dps" ?
autumn idol
ideally you use 2nd vanish in the opener
autumn idol
where is "get benched for a ranged dps" ?
ye but ur also an immunity
you have a priority over melee
waxen oyster
we're just there to atrophic the boss
and pretend we see ourselves on details
on mythic
waxen oyster
Yeah bleed is nice on that boss
autumn idol
waxen oyster
that or i play sub and just afk vibe
autumn idol
although this took me out
waxen oyster
autumn idol
Nah its not only that
its also that during intermission you can damage rhe bosses in air
royal lantern
they can chaosbolt during intermission right
waxen oyster
Well yeah
royal lantern
mm hunter cant do something simelar iirc
waxen oyster
as melee you just get comfy in the cuck chair
autumn idol
i mean technically
waxen oyster
as the other two are flying
autumn idol
yoi can shadowstep
haughty flicker
autumn idol
you are always up on energy
waxen oyster
its not like slg where one of the generals
autumn idol
on the boss itswlf
autumn idol
also ive got a question
ive been on lorrgs and i see everyone deathmarking before kingsbane on fatebound
royal lantern
also ive got a question
no, she wont call back
autumn idol
doesnt it make more sense to kingsbane first
since its 18 seconds
your mark wont be fully covering it anyway
royal lantern
kingsbane is 14seconds
autumn idol
fatebound 2p brother
royal lantern
tierset makes it 18ye
zealous moth
fatebound set makes it longer
autumn idol
it doesnt matter
royal lantern
what would it change lol
autumn idol
again it doesnt matter
haughty flicker
that is a whispyr question
runic hinge
i mean kb maxes out in like 5 seconds anyways
haughty flicker
everyone else here will just be guessing
waxen oyster
idk fb is a dog tree
your log will depend more how long your tails chain is
then if you kb or dm first
analog field
it doenst make sense to do KB first
analog field
it stays maxed for more of its duration
autumn idol
no, no it doesnt
royal lantern
isnt tails flips boosted by lethal dose
analog field
y
autumn idol
no
royal lantern
idk, ping whisp
zealous moth
bc they closed their discord
waxen oyster
3?
autumn idol
envenoms can crit for 20m as well
waxen oyster
thats generous
autumn idol
but thats dn
waxen oyster
you know when blizz decides ret players are too smol brain to even press wings
royal lantern
3?
watched our ret paladin do m+ yesterday
90% of a m+ pull is just spamming the divine storm key
lol
waxen oyster
that they have to bake it into wake
royal lantern
like, yeha sure its a simple spec etc etc
waxen oyster
Yeah ret is the most
autumn idol
ye thats why paladins suck ass
waxen oyster
cruise control shit
old lily
this is horse shit
head is the only piece i already have at myth track, shit ring and bracers seem so meh to take too
zealous moth
bis ring
old lily
yea but hero
old lily
yes
i'm rocking this with my rogue being my main with just the shittiest luck ever
even my alt is 6 ilvl higher lmao
waxen oyster
take the panoply
normal mist
pins
waxen oyster
idk we dont play ds
uneven plume
thats been fixed?
young reef
lost funnel is a liiil annoying no
waxen oyster
yeah it is but its also blizzard
ocean quiver
killed first boss on mythic and no helmet drop, catalyst the 710 head? or take tier shoulders or tier head?
young reef
still having lots of fun in keys
waxen oyster
tf is mod
uneven plume
its more for hybrid
haughty flicker
everyone if it worked
uneven plume
or envenom build
haughty flicker
waxen oyster
hybrid sucks
uneven plume
bleeds worse
waxen oyster
does less than bleed
waxen oyster
bleed loses some st for how turbo dumb its aoe is
uneven plume
but the bug is making it shitty
waxen oyster
i've yet to see this bleed does bad damage
narrative come true
its just made up shit
young reef
im still blasting in aoe
snow kiln
FIX THE SPEC PLEASE, I AM NOW ALMOST FULL BIS AND DO LESS DAM THEN WHEN SEASON RELEASED XD
waxen oyster
its like 3m
uneven plume
but i guess hybrid is the same
normal mist
FIX THE SPEC PLEASE, I AM NOW ALMOST FULL BIS AND DO LESS DAM THEN WHEN SEASON R...
youre 720?!
waxen oyster
2m sounds like a player issue
young reef
yea it shoujld not be 2m lol
thick briar
is fatebound 4 set, when u do m+ is it mandatory to have kingsbane? feels like a huge dps loss in big pulls, to sacrifice arterial precision for kingsbane?
waxen oyster
so on a relative scale, its bad ig
uneven plume
its pretty similar in overall
normal mist
is fatebound 4 set, when u do m+ is it mandatory to have kingsbane? feels like a...
don't do this to yourself
analog field
yeah so how are you spoiled?
uneven plume
maybe assa a bit better but not night and day better
waxen oyster
idk assa if boss dies in cds still does pretty good damage
uneven plume
the ST brings vale in 18+ keys
warm vortex
Guess what moron forgot to go off their m+ build for fract
haughty flicker
waxen oyster
Guess what moron forgot to go off their m+ build for fract
heroic?
mighty vine
Would anyone mind checking out my logs for M Soulbinder? Only parsed a 75 and I feel like my CD timings were correct. Kinda felt like ads were evaporating so caustic wasn't doing as much compared to some of the higher parses
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wTR9dZf7HxQNWYn1?fight=59&type=damage-done&source=8
zealous moth
Would anyone mind checking out my logs for M Soulbinder? Only parsed a 75 and I ...
Not very related but
grizzled shard
I didnt have tea macroed to shiv, big loss?
worldly bridge
!fok
prisma monolithBOT
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
pliant remnant
fossil owl
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
real pike
deathstalker or fatebound cleave for araz? what are people preferring
vapid terrace
Warcraftlogs.com, sort by boss and difficulty and spec.
balmy condor
What in the
nocturne quail
deathstalker or fatebound cleave for araz? what are people preferring
trickster
real pike
real pike
Warcraftlogs.com, sort by boss and difficulty and spec.
yeah there are a couple of DS in the top 100 and I'm not exactly in a RWF guild
so just wondering what people are preferring
pliant remnant
So you see 2 Deathstalkers in the top 100
and you're asking which one people prefer?
real pike
people in here
pliant remnant
Oh yeah Trickster then
real pike
ffs 
pliant remnant
nocturne quail
great time to learn sub tbh
get so much cdr from adds, it makes it easy to know when to send dance and sod
real pike
great time to learn sub tbh
I'm going to but shit at it currently and we are about to pull haha
nocturne quail
oh well
balmy condor
That’s just a bleed build but you swapped to a broken talent and forced induction
old lily
take the panoply
Was that a joke? I was under the impression haste is doo-doo
nocturne quail
I'm going to but shit at it currently and we are about to pull haha
yeah in that case maybe FB idk
and if youre guild has good cleave classes let them kill the adds ig
pliant remnant
He cut his bleeding time in half and got, uhh, Forced Induction
real pike
sad times that such an add heavy fight is better on FB cause it's just that much better
pliant remnant
Good shit
nocturne quail
well i just think, if people want add dam theyd play sub
real pike
yeah but as a sin one trick
I like the whole FB for ST and DS for adds thing
oh well
nocturne quail
how long do you raid tn ?
mighty vine
Would anyone mind checking out my logs for M Soulbinder? Only parsed a 75 and I ...
any takers? much appreciated
nocturne quail
try some pulls as DS see how it goes
waxen oyster
Was that a joke? I was under the impression haste is doo-doo
certain amounts are fine
real pike
I did the whole of last raid as DS
so trying FB
I like how the add damage feels on DS and prefer it as a spec
but the amp comes at such an inopportune time
and switching to the echo is obviously nicer
no mark juggling
jaunty sky
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
real pike
how long do you raid tn ?
until 10.15
nocturne quail
but the amp comes at such an inopportune time
play FB, dont send cds until 30 secs into the fight and then cd will line up for amp
nocturne quail
until 10.15
you probably got time to play diff things, and see if you guys need add dam, echo dam etcv
real pike
play FB, dont send cds until 30 secs into the fight and then cd will line up for...
yeah what I'm trying
nocturne quail
and then realize sub is superior
hardest thing about sub imo is knowing when/how many dance and sod you can send inbetween blades, but Araz fight make it easier
past roost
Is that durable information belt that much better than others?
real pike
Is that durable information belt that much better than others?
I 710 ilvl
fallen charm
Is that durable information belt that much better than others?
you gotta sim, for me a hero belt was already better
marsh topaz
!carnage
prisma monolithBOT
Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required
- The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
- You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets
Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.
It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.
real pike
play FB, dont send cds until 30 secs into the fight and then cd will line up for...
problem is the 45sec KB comes up just as I need to run out to soak
sudden hound
problem is the 45sec KB comes up just as I need to run out to soak
step to tank step back to boss
real pike
just dont soak
it's an immune group of like 6 I have to haha
soft robin
so I just ran 2 sims - one with the hybrid dungeon build with kingsbane and one as the pure bleed build - 5 min 1 tar patchwerk assuming only the buffs i usually run with - is it crazy for the bleed build to come up 2.9 mill and the hybrid to come up 2.7?
real pike
step to tank step back to boss
oh goodness
soft robin
i can post the sims if need be
real pike
I could cook a macro for that I guess
target [tank]
shadowstep
cloak
target [lasttarget]
would that work
then I just press ss again
I don't do macros I just take them from guides
sudden hound
i used mouseover
haughty flicker
you should be able to just have a macro to step to tank without needing to change target
so just step to tank and step immediately back to boss
nocturne quail
problem is the 45sec KB comes up just as I need to run out to soak
yeah you going to have to play around the soak regardless
haughty flicker
just /cast [@tankname] shadowstep afaik
coral ibex
i can almost hit the boss inside my immune soak
haughty flicker
how far away is this soak happening
real pike
just /cast [@tankname] shadowstep afaik
yeah I should have this for general use
autumn idol
di men si us
real pike
target [tank]
shadowstep
cloak
target [lasttarget]
would this work tho?
any crinkled brains that know
autumn idol
should work yes
real pike
how far away is this soak happening
close enough to step but def not close enough to hit boss
haughty flicker
fallow canopy
Best way to test it
autumn idol
you can also do
tall rose
is there a poison macro to see what im using on which spec.
static glacier
every day I check the pings, see no red dot and leave in sorrow
is this server a dk, it's inflicted me with sorrow
real pike
target [tank]
shadowstep
cloak
target [lasttarget]
holy shit it works perfectly
that is easily the most complicated macro I've ever made myself 
uneven plume
@balmy condor Can we use follow the blood with envenom build?
main bridge
Believe it or not straight to jail
haughty flicker
<@167090536602140682> Can we use follow the blood with envenom build?
denied
if you do
but on a serious note the alternative literally doesnt work so
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> Can we use follow the blood with envenom build?
as opposed to
haughty flicker
just never press shiv and it wont break
pliant remnant
let go of all reality
fallow canopy
just never press shiv and it wont break
Just relog after every shiv
tardy acorn
!bug
prisma monolithBOT
Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:
- Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
- Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied
As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.
uneven plume
as opposed to
moment
tardy acorn
I did not really understand what was Whispyr's tip to counter the bug of the 4p. Just had the worst experience as assa in raid
spice surge
30% more CT damage seems better than nothing
humble verge
we up
balmy condor
I did not really understand what was Whispyr's tip to counter the bug of the 4p....
it's not 100% success, but the moment you hit 7 you just wait for the coin to hit
and that reduces the chance of it bugging by a good amount
balmy condor
would be pinned
tardy acorn
oh yhea mb thx
young reef
when we say envenom before your 2nd kingsbane (non dm), do we just mean have envenom ticking on the target or actually always press your envenom right before
humble verge
my logs are popping
haughty flicker
it all went downhill when you tried sub huh
haughty flicker
uneven plume
as in you need a moment or momentum of despair
momentum
haughty flicker
real
balmy condor
when we say envenom before your 2nd kingsbane (non dm), do we just mean have env...
technically the second one, but if you have like 2 seconds left on envenom when you kingsbane that's not helpful
wooden totem
fatebound seem pretty good here xd
runic basin
!log
prisma monolithBOT
Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage
Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/
balmy condor
fatebound seem pretty good here xd
only cause the alternative is just severely behind 
haughty flicker
but you're there for boss damage anyway
prisma cypress
how do you guys manage cooldowns on loomithar?
balmy condor
IM NOT EVEN TOP 5 ON RECLEAR FOR ADD DAMAGE TODAY WHISP
massive
balmy condor
how do you guys manage cooldowns on loomithar?
cd on cd
humble verge
comparable
idk
i think i just fucked my self on cds
im just bad at managing dance
fallen orbit
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
worldly bridge
what's the deal with prizm ? the tooltip is weird it's like a passive and active combined trinket combined ?
balmy condor
it does passive damage and when you press it, it gives you big agility
worldly bridge
X Agi per stack
shrewd bear
it all went downhill when you tried sub huh
it really be like that
worldly bridge
does sim consider we gonna have max stack every time we press buttons ?
runic basin
how do i open log thread
balmy condor
you don't
runic basin
worldly bridge
im living by the guide dude. Wowhead > Manaforge. If it says fatebound im fatebounding
worldly bridge
mmh
crude helm
I don’t think my guild had gotten a netherprism to drop in all of our normals/heroic. we kill mythic rock tonight, surely we get 1 right 
crude helm
Dude I’m gonna scream
I don’t wanna know what it’s gonna feel like to see the RC announcement of it not going to me
mighty vine
Dont worry I lost hero netherprism to a frost DK who wanted the ilvl upgrade from his champ track one
(i was still using house of cards)
worldly bridge
it sounds like this prism is a bit random but still very in demand lol
haughty flicker
its varying degrees of bis for most 90s classes
spice surge
Prism is not random at all
worldly bridge
i might miss something but according to bloodmallet its the exact same thing as a lily
haughty flicker
but yeah its not random
balmy condor
it's probably one of the most consistent trinkets in the game
spice surge
(as long as youre dealing damage)
sick bone
Is it normal to be out of energy after KB window ?? I feel like I can’t press ant buttons for a minute
balmy condor
Is it normal to be out of energy after KB window ?? I feel like I can’t press an...
!design
prisma monolithBOT
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.
Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.
marsh fjord
Im progging mythic araz atm and i was wondering why people are pressing DM 20 seconds in stead of just start
main bridge
Maybe because someone is picked for walls
drifting cloud
thats an araz screenshot
main bridge
Lol
marsh fjord
HAHAHA
crude helm
Ads spawn at that time
marsh fjord
Yeah my bad guys
haughty flicker
but yeah probably just add timings or something
marsh fjord
been a long day
fallen orbit
Im progging mythic araz atm and i was wondering why people are pressing DM 20 se...
where do you watch this ? i probably need this
golden loom
I was sending on pull #bossdamagegang
green bison
Question, is there a reason why all the top M+ sin rogues are running higher verse than crit?
From my understanding we want crit=mast>verse>haste
edit: most are running higher verse or equal verse to crit
balmy condor
it's still pretty early in gearing
I don't think you can really make any statement about what people are running
they're just equipping myth pieces for the most part
earnest remnant
comparable
im da sniper
green bison
Valid ty i guess my confunsions just based on what wowhead says to what im seeing ran i pretty much have full wowhead bis so my stats look completely different and i was quite thrown off
prisma cypress
why didnt whispyr select a different, identically performing bis list with different stats
haughty flicker
yeah whispyr definitely wasnt in here asking for random items to add the week the guide was due
SEO goes hard
green bison
im brand new to sin i should be good to follow the bis list in wowhead i assume ? XD my sims says im on the right track but yeh im a fresh rogue bambi
balmy condor
Valid ty i guess my confunsions just based on what wowhead says to what im seein...
okay well this is a whole can of worms I have to address literally constantly, but the tldr:
- BiS is not BiS, there's hundreds of BiS
- You are human (I assume), BiS lists are not made for you, they are made for google. Without BiS lists, the guide does worse in the algorithm, which means wowhead might be second, or third on the rankings, and that's lost revenue
- I promise you I would delete BiS lists if I could
- We just sim ourselves, it's more accurate than any bullshit cobbled together list
zealous moth
honestly at this point i feell like bis is mostly just relevant for trinkets
balmy condor
BiS lists are legit just porn for google's algorithm
zealous moth
and just barely
green bison
gotcha so tldr fuck the bis list do what sim says
flint escarp
when can you transmute gilded crests?
balmy condor
and it's generalized enough to work for every class in the game, cause they all have the same slots
dude
imagine chatgpt's clanker penis getting harder than a fucking diamond
at the thought of being able to just vomit an itemized list when someone types "gear assa rogue what?"
zealous moth
imagine chatgpt's clanker penis getting harder than a fucking diamond
my state? solid
runic hinge
Fuck them wirebacks
unborn rain
sounds like chatgpt is a lil autistic
balmy condor
I mean, AI is like a parakeet repeating words it heard back at you, but stupider
computers love lists and tables
being able to just regurgitate a table of slot: item
is absolute PEAK ai chatbot
they go crazy for that shit
prisma cypress
Choosing best-in-slot items for your Assassination Rogue isn’t just helpful — it’s necessary for dealing high DPS (damage per second). Let’s dive in:
zealous moth
(purely for cosmetic reasons)
balmy condor
like y'all laugh and haha AI silly
but we have to change our news articles and guides to account for it
scarlet wyvern
!craft
prisma monolithBOT
Preferences currently are wrist/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for
Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" overall, but Blessed Weapon Grip + Dawnthread can be VERY VERY slightly better in m+
Always craft a dagger for at least an offhand. Put Ascencion or Blessed Weapon Grip on it. Additional Crafts should be Wrist (maybe Belt later in the patch after dropping the delve belt) for your second embellishment, after that whatever low item level slot is fine, necks can be good crafts.
If you have a myth track weapon in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer
balmy condor
it's a constant evolution of adding things that AI and search algorithms can gobble up easier and easier
prisma cypress
i crafted a ring this week
runic hinge
I crafted a ring as well
haughty flicker
its ok i plan to die in a war over greenland long before ai kills me
zealous moth
and regret it until end of expansion
scarlet wyvern
nah 2nd dagger i dont wanna troll myself xD
balmy condor
it used to be "your article should convey the information concisely", then it was "ok, it should be concise but it should have a hook/clickbait aspect or else people won't click, and we need to hit thresholds to get algorithm boosted", and now we're in "okay well we also need some longform stuff and lists. Also use headers everywhere because the AI overview can scrape that and summarize it, so make sure you have something summarize-able"
viscid spear
at the thought of being able to just vomit an itemized list when someone types "...
When you Google "gear assa rogue" it should be a single result that says "craft the correct dagger".
prisma cypress
eventually AI will be consuming mostly its own slop and slowly go insane
zealous moth
When you Google "gear assa rogue" it should be a single result that says "craft ...
rogue bis:
- don't craft siphoning stiletto
- equip whatever is higher ilvl
viscid spear
oh no guys I crafted the int dagger
viscid spear
haughty flicker
i got this ad on my ig feed to talk to an ai called “Gyattt”
its no mechahitler but it'll do
balmy condor
my favorite AI story is the code-helper that accidentally deleted the entire live user-info database of a company, and the dev asked it why it did that when it was completely unrelated to the prompt, to which is replied "I panicked"
prisma cypress
doesn’t an efficient google summary mean fewer actual clicks?
haughty flicker
my favorite AI story is the code-helper that accidentally deleted the entire liv...
maybe ai isnt so different from us after all
balmy condor
and then the icing on top was that the dev was like "okay reverse that deletion" and it said it couldn't do that
(it could)
balmy condor
doesn’t an efficient google summary mean fewer actual clicks?
no, because there's an AI summary regardless, but like hypothetically if wowhead's summary was more AI-digestable than icyvein's summary on the same topic
it would eat wowheads instead
and then cite wowhead as the source
tall cradle
singular focus was doing dogshit dmg last week idk why it went up this much after this reset
haughty flicker
i was about to say
tall cradle
it was 3.5% ish
prisma cypress
3.5 ish
balmy condor
I just checked, definitely not fixed
balmy condor
I did a 10 floodgate for vault yesterday
zealous moth
nothing ever happens
haughty flicker
why are we still here
turbid lion
cant we just gaslight everyone so that we get inved to keys?
haughty flicker
just to suffer
prisma cypress
would all the bugs being fixed be a net buff or nerf
balmy condor
do more bleed aoe, get more singular
balmy condor
would all the bugs being fixed be a net buff or nerf
buff for deathstalker, nerf for fatebound
zealous moth
it's over
balmy condor
get ready for new wowhead templates next expansion in order to rectify that issue of icyveins existing
zealous moth
what the fuck even is a high roll reshii wrap
balmy condor
this has always been a war to be fair, it's just AI now instead of google algo
because google algo is also AI
idk
we live in hell
my guides and news are becoming less and less written for humans
it's a human writing them for robots
so that the robots may dispense it upon the humans
young pebble
more content for our machine overlords
red schooner
But we can then regurgitate that content to the robots and we'll see how distorted things can get.
final star
It's writing so the robot thinks it's valuable by condensing information
it's kind of a weird thing
and wowhead guides are most definitely not condensed
it's why icyveins has A LOT of list content
because it's easier for the AI to summarise if it's already a list
so it choose it as a reputable source
rather than a paragraph that says the same thing in a different way
It's also possible icyveins has better metatagging and front end seo optimisation than wowhead
balmy condor
my understanding is that our backend SEO is stronger
but their content is just more digestable
unborn rain
are we team wowhead
balmy condor
we're team human
prisma cypress
i’m team thottbot
final star
so the search engine will 100% optimise for wowhead when you search "x thing wow" in the results
unborn rain
we're team human
real
final star
but will still show stuff like icy veins in the ai summary
livid turtle
theres no weird ass bugs with Thistle tea atm is there?
balmy condor
I quit my day job to work at wowhead, so I'm team wowhead obviously, but it's not like a gang war or some shit
we're fighting the same demons (AI)
haughty flicker
when am i gonna see a video of whispyr curbstomping a robot in a dark alley
final star
I mean, it's a lot healthier to have some semblance of competition anyway betweeen site
livid turtle
its macro'd to my shiv - it cast twice in my opener
final star
no one likes a one horse race
marble hemlock
im fighting the demon of having eaten expired beef jerky rn
livid turtle
but then never again during the boss...
balmy condor
the only bug I know of is that putting tea in macros while you have tea in your bank will cause it to fail
marble hemlock
well, my bowels are
prisma cypress
is it true that wowhead is funded by the CIA
balmy condor
but then never again during the boss...
well yeah, the other charges auto-procced I would assume
that's not a cast
balmy condor
is it true that wowhead is funded by the CIA
yes hello, this man right here
livid turtle
ah - that is a solid point
marble hemlock
but yes, its fun seeing a sudden rise of 20000% of page views from southern asia all of a sudden
totally not a bot crawling for info
livid turtle
its flat out possible to just get totally rinsed on coin flips right? Like you do everything right and rng just destroys you?
final star
my understanding is that our backend SEO is stronger
This for example is just nutty value for SEO
also tooltips
balmy condor
yeah
balmy condor
wowhead's database is by far the most valuable thing for the company
we're not a news outlet
we're a database
marble hemlock
dont tell jez
balmy condor
we know what we are
final star
the reason why wowdb fucking sucks
is because it doesn't have 20 years of wowhead comments
functionally similar
haughty flicker
tbf wowhead comments go hard on obscure items or achievements
they just suck on the news articles
fallow canopy
the high quality and value wowhead comments
The duality of man goes so hard on news comments vs items/achiv comments
marble hemlock
buzt like someone else said, the authority on wowheads content due to the DB is massive
waxen oyster
You know whats crazy
balmy condor
did you know that comments written on wowhead are actually wowhead's property
fallow canopy
Real
marble hemlock
did you know that comments written on wowhead are actually wowhead's property
thats like owning a toilet and you own all the poop people put in it
waxen oyster
gear.gpt
fallow canopy
GearGPT
haughty flicker
the gear bot
fallow canopy
Jinxed
red schooner
did you know that comments written on wowhead are actually wowhead's property
Time to copy some disney music lyrics and watch the legal battle begin
marble hemlock
AI has its uses. generative content is not one of them.
waxen oyster
Yeah how are people so ok with asking ai how to gear
yet wont just load up raidbots
to tell you numerically how much it is
balmy condor
Time to copy some disney music lyrics and watch the legal battle begin
only staff is able to upload videos
coral ibex
because interfacing with raidbots is effort
red schooner
only staff is able to upload videos
Nah I'm just pasting the lyrics.
final star
The largest World of Warcraft (WoW) information site, featuring guides, news, and information on classes, gearing, professions, raids, transmog, and more.
coral ibex
you cant just type "ok sim me for single target and find the best gear"
final star
waxen oyster
you cant just type "ok sim me for single target and find the best gear"
That's the advanced patreon tier
haughty flicker
mechahitler sim 5m 1t patchwerk for me with full raid buffs
waxen oyster
Imagine if whispyr did race sims in bis every tier
and locked them behind a patreon
coral ibex
mechagoonerhitler cook my sims to be higher than ret paladin
waxen oyster
ez money off stupid people
balmy condor
mechagoonerhitler cook my sims to be higher than ret paladin
woah woah woah stop leaking internal havoc theorycrafting chats
haughty flicker
little current
trying out sin on this 10 arakara
i mean
its fun in aoe
but ST feels awful
idk how yall do it
zealous moth
we don't
static glacier
did you know that comments written on wowhead are actually wowhead's property
Tomrus is that you?
zealous moth
tell the tank to pull shit with the boss so you can do big numbers
waxen oyster
bruh what
static glacier
idk how yall do it
We can’t just have no weaknesses kekw
waxen oyster
he has adds you can dot
little current
yeah but they die super fast
zealous moth
they don't die in 5 seconds in your groups?
little current
We can’t just have no weaknesses kekw
i mean theres weaknesses
little current
but this is just boring as shit
zealous moth
i literally go dot them and if everyone else isn't sleeping they die in like 5 seconds
waxen oyster
yeah its free rupture snipe energy
thorn thorn
0 days without sin ST in M+ talk
zealous moth
yeah but
waxen oyster
idk arakara is a chill dungeon
static glacier
They need to look into the whole class gameplay wise tbh
boreal arrow
does someone have raidbot APL to deactivate jastor diamond ?
waxen oyster
its not....
zealous moth
don't the little adds have like 1 hp?
zealous moth
do they even die?
zealous moth
idk, i didn't say it did
thorn thorn
They dont technically die they just run away when they take damage
waxen oyster
yeah i feel like i have infinite energy in arakara
due to sniping ruptures on adds
thorn thorn
The slimes from the puddles do have a decent bit of health all things considered
zealous moth
oh yeah! i forgot about those slimes
thorn thorn
Our boomie just spams starfall on that boss
zealous moth
i was thinking just of the guys that carry the slime jars
thorn thorn
The add on the second boss is kinda fake normally, if people fully target swap to it on a 10 then it just implodes instantly
You can still get the rupture snipe
But you wont be getting any reasonable funnel off it aside from that
Unless your codps are apes and just ignore it, which is always possible
thorn thorn
Ya
waxen oyster
but yeah i would never call any boss in ara truly st
boreal arrow
!jastor
tawdry halo
Unless your codps are apes and just ignore it, which is always possible
I see you’ve played world of Warcraft with my guildies
thorn thorn
I play world of warcraft with people I know actually
5 equally stupid people trying to do keys
tawdry halo
That poor shared brain cell working overtime
dense cove
Is everyone else noticing rogues dropping on the stats for raid in top percentiles? Seems like we aren’t scaling as well?
red zealot
Yall think Priory trinket would be better than lilly in M+ to line up withj DM?
runic hinge
Happens with sparks and the fact you can craft a myth dagger week 1 and the 2 hand classes gotta wait and catch up
thorn thorn
That poor shared brain cell working overtime
Worst part is this wasnt my group either
It was a couple of CE people I got dragged in to do keys with
Better at this game than I will ever be
zenith elm
quick question
my RL asked me to switch hard on adds on loomithar mythic cause i'm doing no dmg on them, is this realistic?
severe meadow
If they're cool with losing boss damage and you doing shit damage to the adds, sure
mighty vine
It’s rik all over again
thorn thorn
If we had a button that instantly applies all dots to the target and you can start slamming then yes its probably realistic
zenith elm
yes i guessed lol
gleaming geyser
at least rik you sometime got caustic value if they spawned close
zenith elm
here its like nonexistent
gleaming geyser
for loomithar you're better off playing internal bleeding
severe meadow
I sprint and rupture snipe them but that's it
zenith elm
like i switched hard, and he still said "not enough"
runic hinge
!rik
prisma monolithBOT
Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)
- Not your problem.
- Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
- If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
- Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels: - Swap to Subtlety.
severe meadow
go sub
runic hinge
Yes
thorn thorn
like i switched hard, and he still said "not enough"
Your RL does not understand how the spec works
gg go next
severe meadow
and then you'll do damage to them
thorny rain
just means the rest of the raid has shit dps lol
severe meadow
if you're not willing to swab to sub, you're better off staying on boss
mighty vine
Show him boss damage and you’ll probably be far ahead of everyone else
zenith elm
i am always first dam in boss dmg
but damn i feel like i'm dogshit on adds lol
i'll maybe try sub then
mighty vine
Realistically if you have ele shamans/hunters or locks in your group they should be annihilating the webs
severe meadow
Yeah it's def a not you problem
balmy condor
Correct
zenith elm
i'm feeling bamboozled
burnt star
If we had a button that instantly applies all dots to the target and you can sta...
That would be a cool hero talent to havr
thorn thorn
i'm feeling bamboozled
Yea coz you are
severe meadow
i'm feeling bamboozled
idk it sounds like people are greeding boss damage and not swapping, they usually die fast
tawdry halo
Another day another average RL experience
thorn thorn
The most iconic duo in human history is Raid Leads and being dumb as fuck
gg go next
severe meadow
The most iconic duo in human history is Raid Leads and being dumb as fuck
I'm so thankful my RL understands
unborn rain
my rl also understands kinda based
zenith elm
my RL DONT
thorn thorn
Its just incompetence
Genuinely
When I was a RL i thought class research was gonna be a ton of work
But its actually the easy part
unborn rain
lol there are bigger fish to fry on the roster
burnt star
On forgeweaver.. my job is to killl add and destroy the boss during amp (sub)
On loom. Im 100% on boss. Also soaking the farthest lightning thingy (sin)
thorn thorn
Instead of a spec that is historically dogshit at target swapping
burnt star
The rest isnt my problem
thorn thorn
The real roadblock will typically be officers
zenith elm
yeah
thorn thorn
Cuz most officers are shit at the game somehow
tawdry halo
Tell your RL that the assa discord says he needs to get off your case
severe meadow
They will gray parse and blame someone else
blame rogue
unborn rain
yeah
tawdry halo
And make a class with actual easy cleave do some work
unborn rain
didnt interrupt enough
tawdry halo
Feel free to screenshot this idk
midnight atlas
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
somber sparrow
I sprint and rupture snipe them but that's it
I don't switch at all because but if it approaches melee range and I can rupture it great. Otherwise don't bother
thorn thorn
Feel free to screenshot this idk
You say this as if this will be enough evidence
prisma monolithBOT
thorn thorn
Im willing to bet that even with all of us saying its not feasible the RL will still find some reason to pretend it is
Cuz some of them are just that fucking delusional
haughty flicker
just play sub
severe meadow
Idk tell the RL to look at Rogue logs
haughty flicker
tawdry halo
mighty vine
I asked this earlier but didn’t get any bites if anyone wants to check it out:
Would anyone mind checking out my logs for M Soulbinder? Only parsed a 75 and I feel like my CD timings were correct. Kinda felt like ads were evaporating so caustic wasn't doing as much compared to some of the higher parses
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wTR9dZf7HxQNWYn1?fight=59&type=damage-done&source=8
thorn thorn
Idk tell the RL to look at Rogue logs
This assumes they know how to read logs
nova kelp
The dude will somehow click the 1 log where the rogue hard switched and popped kingsbane on the tangle.
severe meadow
The dude will somehow click the 1 log where the rogue hard switched and popped k...
3 seconds of KB on target
unborn rain
fat
haughty flicker
shadowstep to far tangle then you get 6 seconds of kingsbane
somber sparrow
basically everyone on mythic kills with fatebound will use internal bleeding instead of caustic https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-assassination/loomithar?difficulty=mythic
haughty flicker
nova kelp
RL turns around like "you need to do this"
somber sparrow
just click anyone, look at their spec under summary
spring moat
@spice spire Ty for the pointers
somber sparrow
RL turns around like "you need to do this"
tawdry halo
Can you just ignore the RL?
thorn thorn
RL turns around like "you need to do this"
severe meadow
Can you just ignore the RL?
Yeah just deafen them
tawdry halo
WA pack tells you everything anyway 
haughty flicker
real
unborn rain
why dont the wa tell mfs to wake up bro
unborn rain
on 5 second timers
thorn thorn
WA pack tells you everything anyway <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
Can the WA tell me when the RL is bein a dumbass
tawdry halo
Can the WA tell me when the RL is bein a dumbass
lemme code one up real quick
rigid fable
crafted ring replace jastor?
thorn thorn
lemme code one up real quick
Does it go off everytime they talk in chat
tawdry halo
It's just always gonna say "RL is a dumbass" with text ons creen tho
thorn thorn
I fuckin knew it
thorn thorn
I read you like the back of a cereal box
tawdry halo
balmy condor
basically everyone on mythic kills with fatebound will use internal bleeding ins...
Yeah they take internal bleeding for loomithar because of the up-front burst that rupture will add to the tangle damage obviously
severe meadow
I asked this earlier but didn’t get any bites if anyone wants to check it out:
...
I looked at it for a second, I had 300m+ more caustic damage
Also had like 14 more ruptures than you
mighty vine
I looked at it for a second, I had 300m+ more caustic damage
Yeah I feel like ads were just disappearing and I wasn’t cleaving as much. Don’t think I ever lost uptime on caustic.
Couldn’t really snipe ruptures either unfortunately
marsh fjord
Also logging on that fights is gonna get harder and harder btw
even if you play perfectly
People get more gear, adds die faster.
Just focus on what you could do better and leave the rest in the hands of rng
severe meadow
I mean there's a few things I noticed, a KB was like 20 seconds late at one point
marsh fjord
Yeah those things are in his control right
severe meadow
yur
marsh fjord
the adds dying super fast is not
severe meadow
it's a bit of a pad fight, if the adds die super quick it'll be hard to parse it
analog field
As Whispyr told me this fight is very tight in timings, I used 2 envenoms in the opening and I lost the second KB shiv dmg on adds coz I lost 3 seconds in opening. And then missing shiv on adds.
marsh fjord
also people can call me based but. since DS is bugged. and if people logged that fight before the bug
those people will do more damage.
analog field
Probably you do more dmg with more ilvl than 2 weeks before but yeah this can have some effect
digital venture
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3brnsGRh7FxKeeWUpe4pUG
Why is sim saying Prism is not better than lily?
marsh fjord
Yeah but if we didnt had the bug we would do more damage right?
Was going over the sim
balmy condor
Yeah but if we didnt had the bug we would do more damage right?
Parses are based around the last 2 weeks, so new parses created now are competing against exclusively bugs
marsh fjord
Parses are based around the last 2 weeks, so new parses created now are competin...
i actually did not know that
So im parsing against people with the same bugs?
balmy condor
Should be at this point yes
severe meadow
marsh fjord
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3brnsGRh7FxKeeWUpe4pUG
Why is sim saying ...
i actually cant see why this sim picks lily over prism
mighty vine
I mean there's a few things I noticed, a KB was like 20 seconds late at one poin...
Which one was late? I held for the 4m30 ads at one point; maybe I had to pop canister or something
digital venture
i actually cant see why this sim picks lily over prism
I did dropmizer earlier and it was saying it's 2% T.T
marsh fjord
I did dropmizer earlier and it was saying it's 2% T.T
are you lacking a lot of mastery mabye?
Otherwise i wouldnt know
idle radish
just did swampface no adds brought onto it, ama
digital venture
are you lacking a lot of mastery mabye?
If that was the case it would ask me to go mastery fiber and electric current and it's saying to go crit all the way
marsh fjord
If that was the case it would ask me to go mastery fiber and electric current an...
yeah i have no idea why it does that
Mabye whispyr can look into it
digital venture
are you lacking a lot of mastery mabye?
21.8k mast (52.76%) + 15.7k crit (22.47%)
digital venture
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3brnsGRh7FxKeeWUpe4pUG
Why is sim saying ...
help @balmy condor any idea?
marsh fjord
21.8k mast (52.76%) + 15.7k crit (22.47%)
you are very starved on crit and mastery ngl bro
im at 65% mastery + 35% crit
Are you undergeared?
digital venture
Are you undergeared?
708ilvl
digital venture
Do you have a lot of haste or vers?
alot of vers 15% - 14k xD
marsh fjord
alot of vers 15% - 14k xD
Not gonna lie i do think your sim is acting like this because you are massively lacking mastery
digital venture
Not gonna lie i do think your sim is acting like this because you are massively ...
but I have mastery in almost all my pieces - except shoulders (tier) , delve belt,and back X.X
marsh fjord
but I have mastery in almost all my pieces - except shoulders (tier) , delve bel...
yeah but your still lacking 10% compared to me
viscid spear
I died so many times, they yelled at me 
marsh fjord
i know mastery isnt that big for fatebound. crit is better
but that is the only reason why it will pick lily
because if gives mastery right
i can think of anything else
can't*
Mabye you could stat weight sim yourself and see if mastery is very valueble for you? i wouldnt recommend it ever. but in this case you can check
digital venture
yeah, you do have a point, but I had mastery on rings available, delve belt with mastery and back, so i'm puzzled
I'll check that
because I also simed dungeon slice for DS and prism was selected
viscid spear
haughty flicker
lyric vale
lethal sinew
quick Q about Amplifying Poison stacks and Envenom. Should i try wait for +10 stacks to envenom if possible? that sounds like the play to me
marsh fjord
because I also simed dungeon slice for DS and prism was selected
yeah that does make sense tho
viscid spear
I died so many times that I actually had 0% durability during the add before Rasha'nan
1min 32sec remaining
digital venture
yeah that does make sense tho
but my gear in DS is literally the same, except sentinel's ring over Gally's ring
digital venture
yeah that does make sense tho
marsh fjord
Yeah lily does make sense if you think about this
digital venture
MASTERY ACTUALLY WORST THAN HASTE KEKW
split veldt
is this thing dslice sim bate? im wearing mythic lily and antenna
viscid spear
This is a pretty good belt, right?
marsh fjord
This is a pretty good belt, right?
yeah but you wsant to wear the belt from last patch
viscid spear
yeah but you wsant to wear the belt from last patch
Don't think 710 would beat it? Would Myth-track?
digital venture
Yeah lily does make sense if you think about this
oh wait, Agy so low woah
lethal sinew
is this thing dslice sim bate? im wearing mythic lily and antenna
it is certainly a more awkward trinket than those two
marsh fjord
oh wait, Agy so low woah
yeah
viscid spear
!up
prisma monolithBOT
barren shuttle
do you use crimson tempest in ST druing m+?
static glacier
Yes
viscid spear
Dox their names
The healer pinged every mechanic on every fight, including the bombs on Rasha
haughty flicker
sounds like a chill guy
thorn thorn
Show the names of the haters
static glacier
MASTERY ACTUALLY WORST THAN HASTE KEKW
That’s not how statweights work
thorn thorn
sounds like a chill guy
When people ping a lot I report for gameplay sabotage
static glacier
It just means adding more haste is better than adding mastery, it doesn’t mean haste is better than mastery
misty holly
I find pinging helpful because I forget what Im doing a lot.