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#assassination
ocean sluice
sand jewel
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
marsh fjord
taking atenna 10000%
balmy condor
like when I see the goofy ass tuning they gotta do for pvp
you cannot tell me that this game mode is intended to exist
they're out here nerfing hero talents by like 80%
just to make them remotely reasonable
dapper halo
Unyielding Netherprism no longer fails to split damage and scale as intended.
balmy condor
just move on
fallow canopy
vestal granite
its a somewhat moot point you can balance the modes independently, the tech is there
balmy condor
I mean yeah of course you can balance independently
marble hemlock
yeah its not written in the most concise way. ill fix it to make it clearer!
balmy condor
but if you're adding something to the game
and then you need to nerf it by 80% in one game mode
dapper halo
did that hotfix make that trinket betterer or worserer
runic hinge
<:garf:1320173032743899157>
My goat
open jolt
so if I wanna use my catalysts. What grade gear should I be using it on?
im asuming M+ gear
balmy condor
then clearly you're not designing with pvp in mind
ocean sluice
"we can tune other classes but assassination fuck you you dont get fixed" -some dev
ocean sluice
so if I wanna use my catalysts. What grade gear should I be using it on?
hero/myth
balmy condor
did that hotfix make that trinket betterer or worserer
depends on the target count
generally worse
fathom flax
Reading LORRGS for ass is so fun there’s so many kingsbanes 30s apart 😎😎😎
oak tangle
!up
prisma monolithBOT
ocean sluice
Reading LORRGS for ass is so fun there’s so many kingsbanes 30s apart 😎😎😎
wait is that not intended?
dapper halo
im now using lfr version lol
zealous moth
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yA47XTD1HCbqWtM6?fight=15&type=casts&source...
hm
ocean sluice
out of range build cp
zealous moth
fair enough
ocean sluice
raid gear only I am assuming? Or vault gear and M+ epics too
M+ epic as long as its hero/myth track
tawdry halo
this only applies to builds with the Deathstalker Hero Talent
open jolt
I have barely touched retail tbh so the upgrade sysytem is somewhat foreign to me
ocean sluice
!up
prisma monolithBOT
ocean sluice
this has everything you need to know about it
tawdry halo
this only applies to builds with the Deathstalker Hero Talent
or before FB 4pc tierset
id use wowhead tbh it goes into more detail
open jolt
so then I need to do 7 or 8 keys
zealous moth
for H gear yeah
ocean sluice
6+ drops hero
zealous moth
and gilded
open jolt
kk
ocean sluice
10s for myth in vault
zealous moth
if you desperately need runed run 6s
open jolt
so now out of curiosity
zealous moth
otherwise just keep doing 7+ and when you cap gilded they get turned to runed
(i think)
open jolt
is troll still considered BiS in retail?
open jolt
or did BiS races become a non factor
marsh fjord
should just pick how you want to look
zealous moth
1%?
ocean sluice
I play nelf
zealous moth
just go for the race you like the most
ocean sluice
.02%
minor dagger
!trinkets
ocean sluice
!gear
prisma monolithBOT
rigid fable
wich 3rd item should i craft? dagger of hand or belt?
minor dagger
!trinket
zealous moth
wich 3rd item should i craft? dagger of hand or belt?
think it's always dagger
balmy condor
wich 3rd item should i craft? dagger of hand or belt?
never EVER a second dagger
minor dagger
!netherprism
zealous moth
nevermind
ocean sluice
i crafted a second dagger...... no clue what to use 3rd on
rigid fable
i already have wrist and main dagger
open jolt
I have 2 rogues currently and I hate that my original rogue is a human. So I am probably gonna do my 2nd rogue
supple frost
Do we have to play bleed in m+? Is hybrid that far behind
ocean sluice
<:vomitpepe:1002370015082852383>
I COULDNT GET ANY TO DROP
zealous moth
wait why not a second dagger?
balmy condor
cause the second dagger is deadass the worst item slot across every class in the game
second dagger does nothing for your damage
it's just a glorified stat stick
minor dagger
how do i use the netherprism in m+ and raids?
ocean sluice
reaslly?
balmy condor
yes lmao
zealous moth
interesting
ocean sluice
puts on sword in off hand
rigid fable
so crafted ring replace jastor?
zealous moth
how do i use the netherprism in m+ and raids?
think it's deathmkar for m+ and on vanish for fatebound raid
ocean sluice
blazing tulip
Is the sim working properly for the delve belt?
minor dagger
think it's deathmkar for m+ and on vanish for fatebound raid
but o use without Chargess firsttime in m+?
zealous moth
where is the writhing armor banding reeee
ocean sluice
where is the writhing armor banding reeee
idk what to put it on REEEEEE
zealous moth
but o use without Chargess firsttime in m+?
probly yeah
i'm not sure, don't have prism
i'm sure someone else can give you better insight
ocean sluice
where is the writhing armor banding reeee
also i thought it would be a better upgrade for this than the 8/8 explorer weapon i had
ocean sluice
yea
past roost
I currently have antena and lilly trinket both champ and I got nether prism and araz both hero in vault which one do you think is better sim shows araz but bloodmallet says netherprism all the way
ocean sluice
gaymer
formal pewter
I currently have antena and lilly trinket both champ and I got nether prism and ...
prism
still snow
Any pvp topic here?)
ocean sluice
Any pvp topic here?)
Whispyr will ban
spice spire
no
ancient jetty
No bug fix today ?
ocean sluice
No bug fix today ?
still snow
Just 1 question wich set items worth laquers
tranquil lynx
Hello guys, how much haste is optimal for assa, i was on 1% but the energy starvation was big so i chose crit/haste ring from vault and now im at 6%
open jolt
can we disable the dogshit edit mode and go back to classic ui
I would like my chat to not be finnicky and annoying to edit
bitter solar
Just ignore chat unless your key group is talking about Arms warrior rework mid pull.
ocean sluice
Hello guys, how much haste is optimal for assa, i was on 1% but the energy starv...
Sim it
zealous moth
Hello guys, how much haste is optimal for assa, i was on 1% but the energy starv...
don't think there's an optimal %
and i asked a while back seeing a bunch of people taking haste, doesn't seem to be good because of the energy regen
just sim it
lyric gate
holy bug fix
tranquil lynx
During bosses u want to stay above 150energy and its impossible with 1% haste
vestal granite
Try Crit, more combo points means sometimes you dont need to press mutilate again
ocean sluice
holy bug fix
Where
severe meadow
During bosses u want to stay above 150energy and its impossible with 1% haste
What you mean by that
vestal granite
but yea you will sometimes run dry on energy and you just gotta deal with it
tranquil lynx
More damage on st with bleed build
ocean sluice
During bosses u want to stay above 150energy and its impossible with 1% haste
This isn't DF
severe meadow
You literally don't stay above 150 energy
tranquil lynx
You literally do on single target
ocean sluice
@balmy condor
unborn rain
Just ignore chat unless your key group is talking about Arms warrior rework mid ...
lmfao wat
runic hinge
You literally do on single target
It’s nearly impossible to do with 20% haste that I run. Just keep your bleeds going and spam envenom and you’ll be fine. The min max is worth less than if you fuck it up and let your bleeds drop.
pliant remnant
Staying above 150 energy is like 0.15% if done perfectly
bitter solar
lmfao wat
For context. Whispyr's m+ group were griefing and mid pull just talking about arms warrior rework and then his fav burrito store closed and it was a bad day
severe meadow
iirc there's like 4 conditions for it too
tranquil lynx
It’s nearly impossible to do with 20% haste that I run. Just keep your bleeds go...
Holy whats ur overall
runic hinge
69
tranquil lynx
Whats ur opener with that much haste, its such a loss
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682>
what I do
runic hinge
Whats ur opener with that much haste, its such a loss
It’s the same as anything. And I just run what the robot tells me to and it works out
open jolt
so where can I find a guide to simming for retail? all the simming I know how to do is wowsim for classic
balmy condor
!simguide
prisma monolithBOT
Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights
For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.
balmy condor
Is staying above 150 energy on st worth it
nah
tranquil lynx
Thats 1% haste all good until i hit st boss then dps die.
open jolt
ty
runic hinge
I mean that’s just bleed build bro. Haste isn’t gonna fix it
balmy condor
I mean even if you can, it's not worth doing
tranquil lynx
Go watch casual.
balmy condor
why would I need to watch casual
tranquil lynx
He is staying above 150 on st
balmy condor
@keen mantle stop going above 150 energy on ST
lyric gate
he gets funnel every boss
severe meadow
Oh now I get it, he watches other people
ocean sluice
The only people who do are the people still stuck in Dragonflight
runic hinge
I been asking my tanks to pull funnel into bosses and it feels so good
balmy condor
casual is the homie
but we're all human and things change
it is what it is
I pool way more than I should just because I engrained it into my skull and it won't leave
bitter solar
I watch Whispyr's stream for IW stimming and Arms warrior rework discussion.
balmy condor
real
lyric gate
kinda feels impossible to be honest to get sanguine blades going on pure single target bleed
ocean sluice
Buff arms buffs prot
golden loom
Why play arms when fury has 2 swords?
lyric gate
how ever the bot tells you
balmy condor
My original question was how much haste is optimal
depends on your gear I guess idk
that's not a number I could give a shit about
ocean sluice
Why play arms when fury has 2 swords? <:garf:1320173032743899157>
Carpeltunnel
tranquil lynx
I was on 1% but sucks on st
vestal granite
Why play arms when fury has 2 swords? <:garf:1320173032743899157>
RSI
severe meadow
I was on 1% but sucks on st
You care way too much about what we're not good at
golden loom
You guys play fury to spam buttons, I play it for the kaching weakaura dopamine
tranquil lynx
You care way too much about what we're not good at
As long as i do 4m st im happy.
teal sundial
guys for mm+, you think better signet mythic or prism heroic ? sim say even so idk
ocean sluice
As long as i do 4m st im happy.
Easy asf in raid
tranquil lynx
Easy asf in raid
Dungeon
tranquil lynx
Raid i do 5.5 with fb
balmy condor
As long as i do 4m st im happy.
play sub
tranquil lynx
Considering
balmy condor
our role in a key is not ST
tranquil lynx
I cant pull 9m overall and not time a key cuz my st is bad
golden loom
Blame your team in that case
ocean sluice
If you're going 9m and not timing a key its not a you problem
oblique slate
is myth lily better over hero track netherprism?
tawdry halo
tranquil lynx
is myth lily better over hero track netherprism?
If u dont have top left trinket take it
oblique slate
I don't
tranquil lynx
Its best trinket
indigo lagoon
hero netherprism is way much better
tranquil lynx
Still i wouldve taken it
knotty vapor
mmffmgh yummy parse
balmy condor
idk, hero prism and myth lily are pretty similar
bitter solar
Lily also lines up with fatebound which is nice
balmy condor
I mean so does prism
severe meadow
mmffmgh yummy parse
This heroic or mythic?
balmy condor
prism lines up with everything
severe meadow
Was about to say, a million gap is crazy
ocean sluice
Yall should see my soulbinder parse
knotty vapor
Was about to say, a million gap is crazy
how did u find it so fast
severe meadow
oblique slate
fully maxed out lily sims 25-30k more in st more than netherprism
vestal granite
is myth lily better over hero track netherprism?
I got the exact same problem lol
pulsar elk
with DM in m+ do i shiv beforehand?
knotty vapor
I gapped the guy below me by 1m, I thought you foudn my logs somehow lmao
balmy condor
with DM in m+ do i shiv beforehand?
generally no
bronze pike
we measuring?
runic hinge
@keen spruce should I ping quake to log review my 99 soulhunters parse
balmy condor
we measuring?
🦚
bitter solar
prism lines up with everything
I'm not sure on the usage of prism with fatebound, but i lucked out and got a myth track lily on my first vault and just never simmed any better.
severe meadow
How did you make SF work
balmy condor
prism is every 3 min
tranquil lynx
with DM in m+ do i shiv beforehand?
Dm shiv envenom vanish
bronze pike
ocean sluice
Yall ready to be blown away
bronze pike
ya my normal parses are pretty cool
ocean sluice
bronze pike
gets me all the chicks
bitter solar
Put that shit on vanish
balmy condor
bro is doing a quarter of my damage
severe meadow
34 
ocean sluice
tranquil lynx
bro is doing a quarter of my damage
Do u go assa throughout the whole raid
golden loom
severe meadow
1
ocean sluice
ya u guys are cool but have u seen the parse on my lock
Thats..... mage......
balmy condor
Do u go assa throughout the whole raid
yes
knotty vapor
Thats..... mage......
no thats my destro lock actually, it's just weird dw
bronze pike
huge your probably drowning in men and women
livid dagger
I like that reason
errant jacinth
Based
knotty vapor
i have exclusively played assass since wrath
void pecan
Also if you're dog water at sub... Then why bother
knotty vapor
i HATE sub
tranquil lynx
Noted, alright take care.
knotty vapor
all my homies rather dislike subtlety
ocean sluice
severe meadow
i have exclusively played assass since wrath
Parsing in wrath was fun tbh
balmy condor
I did fatebound on araz for the boss damage and it was the same boss damage as a 97 parse on sub
severe meadow
I only played Naxx tho
knotty vapor
Parsing in wrath was fun tbh
ya cuz there was like 7 people doing it lmao
open jolt
even on classic when Sub was beyond busted for P1 of MoP(until legit this past week when it got nerfed) I REFUSED to play sub
severe meadow
I don't think thats very true xd
open jolt
fuck that spec
bitter solar
literally what's it matter what spec I play
Play arms warrior. Did you get your burrito in the end?
balmy condor
I did
knotty vapor
it was pretty niche compared to around mop when it really took off
number of parses 10x'd in that xpac
ocean sluice
Best rogue ever
bronze pike
on god
severe meadow
I didn't care to play MoP again tbh
bronze pike
if someone tells me to swap to havoc, im still gonna dps as veng
cause im pretty sure ill still be top10 with these pugs
balmy condor
oh no, I super need to swap to sub or else the planet will explode and the boss will never die
aaaaaa
so scary
vestal granite
is myth lily better over hero track netherprism?
723 Lily Simming like 2% over heroic Prism for me, same as getting +20 ilvl on tier gloves
bronze pike
oh no, I super need to swap to sub or else the planet will explode and the boss ...
orange not pink
vestal granite
assuming you have the upgrade tokens
bronze pike
ocean sluice
orange not pink
Sybau
waxen oyster
if someone tells me to swap to havoc, im still gonna dps as veng
i saw a vdh overall 1.67m
in a dawnbreaker
and yes he had 4p
ebon glade
guys what the bst stats to stack for assassination rogue ? is crit above 35% good ?
ocean sluice
guys what the bst stats to stack for assassination rogue ? is crit above 35% goo...
Probably ohio
balmy condor
orange not pink
37/627
knotty vapor
guys what the bst stats to stack for assassination rogue ? is crit above 35% goo...
washington is pretty good
bronze pike
bold to assume hes doing the base reaver rotation correctly
vestal granite
i got my 10 floodgate killed by a vdh that did sub 1mill overal
Had a 3k io 711 equipped disc priest doing 1mil hps once
waxen oyster
does man just have 0 frailty on packs
distant lodge
Stupid question most likely, can I equip two crafted daggers and is it worth it over a ring?
waxen oyster
perma
waxen oyster
like im psure if you not hitting buttons
you gonna have 0 frailty on mobs
and just take way more dam from them
as a result
ocean sluice
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
balmy condor
u bring shame to this classcord
I should probably study up some more, so true
what's the haste cap on this spec?
bronze pike
i heard archon has the best guides
ocean sluice
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" a...
@ebon glade
bronze pike
kk time
waxen oyster
69%
balmy condor
do I craft a second dagger?
bronze pike
to put on disney music
golden loom
Depends on hit %
balmy condor
prism or lily?
waxen oyster
also am i trolling sending my hero prism to 710
bronze pike
and fist every boss on normal and heroic as veng this week
pliant remnant
bronze pike
gl everyone
waxen oyster
streamer do the thinking for me
knotty vapor
guys do i need to be hit capped or can i just stack pure vers :3
waxen oyster
assa bugged 32.335%
lyric gate
what do you mean
balmy condor
help?
vapid terrace
hitting all the big ?s
marble hemlock
have the bugs been fixed?
lyric gate
there was hotfix september 2024
tawdry halo
pliant remnant
GUYS HAVE THE BUGS BEEN FIXED?
balmy condor
anyone with a bug zapper?
pliant remnant
IS ASSA PLAYABLE AGAIN??????
marble hemlock
how do you guys feel about iguanas?
bitter solar
I go left in Ara kara 
vestal granite
guys are the bugfixes pinned yet?
balmy condor
why is my m+ ST so bad?
ocean sluice
Assa is bugged?
late basalt
when is bugs getting fixed? pinned? help quick
earnest timber
Last 2 seconds of Kingsbane are irrelevant in FB pure ST, right? cause I feel strange shiving without it covering the full Kingsbane
knotty vapor
why is my m+ ST so bad?
i guess u just arent very good at this game sorry man
theres other games out there
bronze pike
you guys shoudl shut down the discord
lyric gate
whispyr should i get that ring with 12 mastery more or the one with 12 haste more
balmy condor
i guess u just arent very good at this game sorry man
I'm trying to get better but I don't play sub
wheat hill
signet or lily for M+?
knotty vapor
I'm trying to get better but I don't play sub
basically useless tbh
ocean sluice
why is my m+ ST so bad?
Play outlaw
golden loom
Is the pin saying there will be a pin when bugs are fixed up to date? Just wondering if spec is still bugged @balmy condor sorry for ping but I need to know before I raid in 12 hours
late basalt
I'm trying to get better but I don't play sub
dont like doing 60mil dps in large packs, me neither
real comet
would anybody be willing to look over a few logs to tell me what im doing wrong? consistently blue parsing and not sure where im making mistakes
balmy condor
Is the pin saying there will be a pin when bugs are fixed up to date? Just wonde...
unsure, the pin was from last week so maybe it's fixed and there's just new pin, but the pin says there will be a pin when the bugs are fixed and I'm just so lost idk what to think anymore, I'm literally about to pull heroic soul hunters and just got no clue what I'm doing anymore I'm so lost
knotty vapor
kil'jaeden is actually the best prog server
ocean sluice
would anybody be willing to look over a few logs to tell me what im doing wrong?...
They aren't cool like that here
balmy condor
feels like I did literally 4x the damage yesterday
balmy condor
would anybody be willing to look over a few logs to tell me what im doing wrong?...
link
late basalt
unsure, the pin was from last week so maybe it's fixed and there's just new pin,...
let me know when bugs are fixed please
haughty flicker
i was able to mind control my guild to actually hit tangles tonight so i was able to play assa
on loom
very fun
balmy condor
let me know when bugs are fixed please
I'll ping you specifically
haughty flicker
balmy condor
like a mailing list or something
haughty flicker
we like assa
ocean sluice
I'll ping you specifically
Me too
real comet
link
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/14222490, ignore soulbinder
late basalt
I'll ping you specifically
thanks mate 👍
real comet
thank you
serene solar
Whispyr will you email me when its fixed too?
knotty vapor
whispyr can u knock on my front door when the bugs are fixed please
runic hinge
Until assa bugs are fixed I’m gonna go play the very unbugged spec Subtlety Rogue
serene solar
Letter by pigeon?
runic hinge
balmy condor
give me your email, your credit card info, your address, your mother's maiden name, and your social security number and I'll make sure to swat your house when the bugs get fixed
vestal granite
guys whats the quickest way to blast for crests? just m+?
ocean sluice
Until assa bugs are fixed I’m gonna go play the very unbugged spec Subtlety Rogu...
Why not outlaw
runic hinge
Because I’m 35
balmy condor
slap my ass and call me a log
bitter solar
give me your email, your credit card info, your address, your mother's maiden na...
Will a picture of my cat suffice for a ping?
serene solar
"OMG THE POLICE ARE HERE!...... WAIT! THAT MEANS ASSA IS FIXED BABY!"
fiery basin
Whispyr can swat me anytime even if bugs arent fixed
waxen oyster
guys whats the quickest way to blast for crests? just m+?
delves
Well, for the first 31 gilded of the week.
ocean sluice
5075733386 call me when they're fixed
balmy condor
waxen oyster
streamer do i send gilded to upgrade my prism from champ ilvl
ocean sluice
Imma have to start answering random numbers with "i know Assa ain't fixed yet"
waxen oyster
too lazy to use brain
golden loom
unsure, the pin was from last week so maybe it's fixed and there's just new pin,...
The instance leader in my LFR araz group is mad at us for wiping in the enrage and pointed out my low singular focus damage... I think it might be bugged... We are currently on 17 stacks of determination but I think I have to swap to sub to meet the dps check.....
fiery basin
can attack friendly targets
So’Leah’s?
ocean sluice
Wow kinda surprised no one called me
waxen oyster
if you dont have any hostile targets near
it'll hit a friendly
its a really weird trinket, basically a signet with a damage on use on certain bosses
late basalt
just refreshed pins, still nothing
blazing tulip
oh no, I super need to swap to sub or else the planet will explode and the boss ...
Saving this wisdom for the future.
onyx pond
lily it is
honest flower
Is it Antenna? or Is it idol? or just T-set shoulders? I am confused!
ebon steppe
Get lost
blazing tulip
^
balmy condor
W rage bait
mint valve
for deathstalker in m+ do you just link up netherprism and deathmark?
balmy condor
yes
mint valve
sir yes sir
balmy condor
what to take
based on this vault? cyanide
minor coyote
ebon steppe
The instance leader in my LFR araz group is mad at us for wiping in the enrage a...
Fatebound just sucks in araz, and ds is bugged
so sub yes
balmy condor
idk I guess pacemaker is the least shit out of that
flint swallow
Is sub doing better then assa atm?
ebon steppe
What scenario
flint swallow
Raid and m+
ocean sluice
Yea and no
ebon steppe
No and yea
runic basin
doe it make sens to recraft dagger and craft 720 belt with embelishment?the one if you stay above 80% xxxx.x.xxx. ????
ocean sluice
No and yea
This way is correct oops
ebon steppe
Fb assa is better in m1 2 6
honest flower
Is it Antenna? or Is it idol? or just T-set shoulders? I am confused!
Every sim said Antenna. Thats why you thought i ragebait?
vale fox
the only loot i got out of a full heroic clear.
balmy condor
doe it make sens to recraft dagger and craft 720 belt with embelishment?the one ...
why would you not just use writhing band on the belt?
vale fox
about to craft a belt myself. good thing i checked chat
balmy condor
belt craft sounds pretty sus
runic basin
why would you not just use writhing band on the belt?
already crafted dagger + wrists
ebon steppe
Why craft belf than wrist
balmy condor
already crafted dagger + wrists
okay that just confused me even hard so then why are you embellishing a belt?
ebon steppe
Got me confused
runic basin
okay that just confused me even hard so then why are you embellishing a belt?
in m+ the stayb avobe 80% emb is better then assandance right? So thats my plan behind my question
vale fox
idk I'd sim neck or ring
yea so i simmed. if i craft ring and get belt off plexus its inferior than crafting belt and getting ring off plexus
ebon steppe
and why craft 720 than 704 in wrist man
balmy condor
in m+ the stayb avobe 80% emb is better then assandance right? So thats my plan ...
no
balmy condor
bitter solar
balmy condor
so we are craft off set?
whatever sims highest, you could if you wanted to
I just didn't craft anything
my gilded went into myth items
ocean sluice
SIM YOUR FUCKING GEAR YOU FUCKING APES
bitter solar
what if they googled to find the guide 
vale fox
i guess. but im 3 pieces off bis overall
warm vortex
I know this isn't a rogue vault but posting it here to cope with my dissapointment
vale fox
but yea i guess ill sim a neck too
balmy condor
what if they googled to find the guide <:5head:1219371674634551397>
then the bis list is working
earnest remnant
i guess. but im 3 pieces off bis overall
damn so you like 720 equipped, god damn
vale fox
damn so you like 720 equipped, god damn
of course not mythic
red schooner
SIM YOUR FUCKING GEAR YOU FUCKING APES
I SELECT BASED ON VIBES ONLY
vale fox
im talking heroic
earnest remnant
then u aint
bitter solar
then the bis list is working
Mission complete 
vale fox
then u aint
for me right now i am. cuz i cant mythic raid without a new guild
ocean sluice
I SELECT BASED ON VIBES ONLY
earnest remnant
no.
runic hinge
There’s like 800 gear combos that sim the same at myth ilvl until you get all myth slots you ain’t close
vale fox
ok you perfectionists
earnest remnant
i dont like any of you ngl
i dont like me either, but here we are
vale fox
i dont like me either, but here we are
ROFL
red schooner
i dont like any of you ngl
Not even me 
balmy condor
im dogshit
we're all dogshit, you're not fucking special
feral wasp
Bis list is working for my rl, confirmed
ocean sluice
is that better?
Yea
vale fox
we're all dogshit, you're not fucking special
hahaaha
earnest remnant
we're all dogshit, you're not fucking special
my mom said im special (needs)
vale fox
my school had me in special ed. i can read 1000 books a day
cuz they trained me specially
warm vortex
Bis list is working for my rl, confirmed
I thought you said pis list was working irl and that sounded super funny
balmy condor
my mom said im special (needs)
your mom told me you're actuall a very sweet kid and that she wants you to meet me next time
vale fox
your mom told me you're actuall a very sweet kid and that she wants you to meet ...
damn. i'd @ him at 4 am for this
stealth
earnest remnant
earnest remnant
your mom told me you're actuall a very sweet kid and that she wants you to meet ...
she do be a pathological liar, cuz i aint sweet
ocean sluice
Whispyr will you be my dad?
balmy condor
is your mom hot?
ocean sluice
Idk
balmy condor
idk either
cunning needle
not for you
ocean sluice
Wanna ask her ashes?
cunning needle
i thought we were special
earnest remnant
whip out the ouija board
vapid terrace
So she was hot
earnest remnant
time to ask the real questions
agile geode
Logic gate or chest set mythic?
open jolt
how can i fix this?
ocean sluice
how can i fix this?
Uninstall wow
grim jay
she was hot for about 20 minutes
Nice first message of the day to read
balmy condor
how can i fix this?
don't use the "enhanced enemy castbar" mod I guess
cause it seems that's broken
open jolt
don't use the "enhanced enemy castbar" mod I guess
yeah it happens with the kick colour mod too for M+
ocean sluice
she was hot for about 20 minutes
So is that a yes?
balmy condor
So is that a yes?
is your dad still around?
ocean sluice
Nope
balmy condor
yeah it happens with the kick colour mod too for M+
idk, contact the mod creators then
balmy condor
Nope
wth man you're telling me I can't bang either of your parents? what's in it for me
ocean sluice
wth man you're telling me I can't bang either of your parents? what's in it for ...
Log reviews
balmy condor
kms
ocean sluice
Well you giving me them
earnest remnant
lol
ocean sluice
97 = 30
earnest remnant
that was like me on denathrius back in CN
got rank 1 sub rogue on our first kill
was bottom dps 
ocean sluice
Cuz no one played it?
balmy condor
nathria was bleak for rogue
assa famously got buffed 6 weeks in a row in nathria
cause it was so shit
waxen oyster
that sounds like
earnest remnant
the 2x on-use sub rogue is coming in hot tho
waxen oyster
for the past few tiers
balmy condor
the 2x on-use sub rogue is coming in hot tho
ocean sluice
🗒️ play sub in shadowlands classic
waxen oyster
Also wait stealthi
blazing tulip
didnt play SL. I want SL remix so I can get everything quicker
balmy condor
the amount of questions about double on use this patch
waxen oyster
why is that forge only 714
balmy condor
makes me wanna rip my hair out
ocean sluice
Blame shin
waxen oyster
i thought it drops 717?
balmy condor
what did shin do
blazing tulip
714 in myth
earnest remnant
if you killed further bosses
nova kelp
Whispyr what's going on? have you asked them to fix us yet?
waxen oyster
some guy’s SS
earnest remnant
cuz he has killed salatbar
ocean sluice
what did shin do
Said to play it
earnest remnant
and i have not
golden loom
If you kill salad bar its 4/6
blazing tulip
ohhhh
waxen oyster
When did they add tht
earnest remnant
this tier
haughty flicker
this tier
balmy condor
Said to play it
ocean sluice
hes killed dimmy
Who
balmy condor
shindig hasn't killed a single boss with double on use
waxen oyster
The guy with that forge
balmy condor
why would he say to double on use
waxen oyster
so wait what boss unlocks 714
earnest remnant
frac
ocean sluice
why would he say to double on use
Something about alternating at 18 stacks of shit
waxen oyster
Oh so all items would be 714?
haughty flicker
Something about alternating at 18 stacks of shit
are you sure he wasnt talking about sub
balmy condor
I mean I get how double on use works
ocean sluice
are you sure he wasnt talking about sub
Very well could have been
balmy condor
but I don't get why anyone is recommending it
haughty flicker
waxen oyster
whisypr
ocean sluice
No
ocean sluice
No
waxen oyster
what trinkets people played
ocean sluice
No
waxen oyster
ocean sluice
Don't talk to my dad
earnest remnant
real question is, when sub buffs?
ocean sluice
When outlaw buffs
balmy condor
I wonder how far I need to scroll through assa logs to find a double on use
waxen oyster
real question is, when sub buffs?
also ig that explains why my plexus helm didnt drop 707
earnest remnant
I wonder how far I need to scroll through assa logs to find a double on use
dont have to scroll i can just link you mine
ocean sluice
Kek
earnest remnant
haughty flicker
balmy condor
dont have to scroll i can just link you mine
I have to scroll pretty far until I see you on the rankings
waxen oyster
because i was pretty sure first bosses never dropped higher than 1/6 myth
earnest remnant
I have to scroll pretty far until I see you on the rankings
well i aint on there
mfer
ocean sluice
I love how my guild told me to improve if I wanna be in mythic prog then doesn't tell me what I need to improve
earnest remnant
colour is dead and gone mate
balmy condor
okay well I'm done with the first 100 parses on loomithar, no double on use but I did see a house of cards, a ticking sack of terror, and some guy with 8 power infusions, no fucking clue how his log ain't invalidated
earnest remnant
okay well I'm done with the first 100 parses on loomithar, no double on use but ...
you can have one if you want
earnest remnant
lol
earnest remnant
it should be lol
balmy condor
and only parsed a 95
ocean sluice
LOL
balmy condor
maybe they just kept it up in order to not hurt his ego
not even healer PI's btw
shadow priest PI's
this guy
waxen oyster
i remember the first and only time
balmy condor
is getting double shadow priest PI
waxen oyster
i got an external
balmy condor
what in the fuck
waxen oyster
it was kyrian druid in sanctum
fresh kelp
There’s some funky business with spriest PI after their tier set last tier
waxen oyster
kihra flagged my log like 3 months later however
fresh kelp
Our warlock got 8 PIs earlier and didn’t get invalidated either
waxen oyster
because kyrian bear apprently triggered the syl daggers starting at 4 stacks
from pull
earnest remnant
kihra flagged my log like 3 months later however
yes all kyrian logs got scrapped with bears
same if you used the sac tech on pull to proc the daggers
balmy condor
because kyrian bear apprently triggered the syl daggers starting at 4 stacks
I lost SEVEN rank 1's to this
balmy condor
Our warlock got 8 PIs earlier and didn’t get invalidated either
hate that
waxen oyster
i mean
red schooner
Honest raccoon
waxen oyster
i got it for one boss
balmy condor
cuz i aint no abuser
oh that's why you don't raid in method and echo, gotcha
waxen oyster
and my fucking shaman decided to play ele
earnest remnant
TRUE
waxen oyster
so i was playing sub
earnest remnant
and not because im washed af
waxen oyster
with no windfury
waxen oyster
oh that's why you don't raid in method and echo, gotcha
exile fb crashout
is my favorite clip
of tww
ocean sluice
Link?
earnest remnant
exile fb crashout
he had two funny ones this tier, the FB tierset crash and the coup refunds on dimmy
was good content
for my morning coffee
ocean sluice
So what exactly makes it 1 min
balmy condor
bugsd
oak tangle
!up
prisma monolithBOT
ocean sluice
Guessing it means you didn't get full DM use?
balmy condor
wdym
ocean sluice
Like do you not get the full use of dm when that happens?
balmy condor
no, you just don't have a 4 piece
balmy condor
I'm confused too
ocean sluice
Lol
runic hinge
he had two funny ones this tier, the FB tierset crash and the coup refunds on di...
Got the coup refunds clip?
ocean sluice
Imma go back to using hekili
bitter solar
Im confused
the 4pc tier set is a buggy mess after having been noted as “fixed” in a hotfix note. It has a chance to double proc, not proc at all, and sometimes even proc in the middle of the fight and desync all your cooldowns.
4 set is "Having a lucky Fatebound Coin reduces the cooldown of Deathmark by 30.0 sec and Kingsbane by 15.0 sec."
So his CDs were desync'd for the entire pull
ocean sluice
Ah
waxen oyster
anytime i read someone in this channel say
"fatebound is fun"
i hear the circus music
oak tangle
lol moving a single button order in your cd window to a different place, fun
waxen oyster
no i dont miss depending on PI
sterile swallow
Only reason I like Fatebound is because I hate tracking the mark.
hollow elk
is there a sim for consumables
balmy condor
I'm sure there's a copypasta somehwere
oak tangle
Only reason I like Fatebound is because I hate tracking the mark.
if mark required, sub is desired
balmy condor
but I'll save you the trouble of simming that
hollow elk
W
ocean sluice
!sim
hearty seal
myth head or hero reshii boots...
simming within 5k of each other, too
then again, I have more of a chance for boots to just drop, so it's probably head
balmy condor
you use alchemical chaos flask, mana oil on both hands, secondary stat feast
and you do that everywhere always regardless of everything
balmy condor
we killed fract yesterday
ocean sluice
Night you sexy fucks
hollow elk
assa seems kinda balls for most of the raid
oak tangle
whytf is a 723 belt socketted -0.1% to this fucking DISc
this fucking circlet business all over again
ocean sluice
whytf is a 723 belt socketted -0.1% to this fucking DISc
Weird cuz 710 with socket is an upgrade to mine
hollow elk
whats the secondary stat feast called
grim jay
whytf is a 723 belt socketted -0.1% to this fucking DISc
Maybe you got low crit
balmy condor
sushi special
oak tangle
to be fair it's on sub
hollow elk
ty
ocean sluice
Is bounty food not good?
hearty seal
when were whetstones taken off the guide
also would like to know, I have like 200 atm
waxen oyster
weird because theres multiple necks that can count as bis
pulsar elk
720 mainhand with a 710 offhand should i use my spark to craft a 720 OH?
hollow elk
the crit haste one from streets
grim jay
to be fair it's on sub
Tbf its the same for me on sub bcs it really wants me to equip crit gear rn. Crit mastery neck craft > vers mastery
ocean sluice
720 mainhand with a 710 offhand should i use my spark to craft a 720 OH?
Don't let whispr hear this
waxen oyster
whispyr literally said the bis lists are shit
and he just did it so the guide appears on google
ocean sluice
Literally SIM YOUR FUCKING GEAR
ocean sluice
720 mainhand with a 710 offhand should i use my spark to craft a 720 OH?
Sim for neck or ring
hollow elk
15%
oak tangle
720 mainhand with a 710 offhand should i use my spark to craft a 720 OH?
sim for sure, offhand not nearly as strong as main hand dps, so a body piece to bump ilvl could be the play
hollow elk
in reality the dimmy ring should occupy most of your haste
well if you get CE early lol
pulsar elk
Literally SIM YOUR FUCKING GEAR
well damn 😭 I had it already simmed https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1GnwhQSE2NBhgqZpaY5BVK just didnt know if it would be better to have that OH
hollow elk
ye
thats what i thought
especially now where the secondary stats are better than agi
waxen oyster
really depends how much
ocean sluice
well damn 😭 I had it already simmed https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1Gnw...
Looks like ring.
waxen oyster
a mythic jewelry item is gonna be less than mythic legs or head
hollow elk
thats true
but i wouldnt exchange a myth track item for a heroic one
unless its the boots or the antenna
balmy condor
new drinking game, every time someone thinks about crafting a second dagger and then talks about crafting a second dagger openly in this channel without shame or regard for their spark, except instead of drinking I do a milli of fent and hope I die
runic hinge
im in
waxen oyster
new drinking game, every time someone thinks about crafting a second dagger and ...
whispyr trying to kill his liver before 30
hollow elk
ara kara myth track trinket loses against the hc antenna
waxen oyster
sacbrood was never that impressive
oak tangle
sacbrood ruins my mog
hollow elk
but what stronger passive option is there except for pacemaker
waxen oyster
i remember in s1 as soon as i got sikran neck my sim said avoid haste
sly ginkgo
ara kara myth track trinket loses against the hc antenna
Sounds like it
waxen oyster
😂
oak tangle
but it's the only trinket i have
hollow elk
i remember in s1 as soon as i got sikran neck my sim said avoid haste
ye i see
haughty flicker
sacbrood ruins my mog
so real
hollow elk
my only heroic upgrades are antenna and boots rn
haughty flicker
hate that its so good for my hunter
cunning needle
is there a sim for consumables
waxen oyster
i still have normal tier shoulders
haughty flicker
its very fun
haughty flicker
i have champ chest and both trinkets
ocean sluice
new drinking game, every time someone thinks about crafting a second dagger and ...
I think im gonna craft a 3rd dagger this week
haughty flicker
waxen oyster
myth pacemaker mythic chest mythic helm
oak tangle
but also 🙂
hollow elk
i mean
waxen oyster
i think my rng is decent so far
oak tangle
it could be hero 6/6 though
haughty flicker
no but i also have nothing to spend gildeds on
hollow elk
well
waxen oyster
it was like
haughty flicker
so im sure that shit is gonna be 6/6 heroic eventually
hollow elk
so you can be thankful that u are allowed to save ur crests haha
hollow elk
:p
oak tangle
i can't, i need to get upgrades so i can gear my alts
haughty flicker
i was lazy and converted a few crests up
but trying not to do that much
so i can just convert all once turbo boost hits
instead of farming 100 dungeons again
hollow elk
delve enjoyer
haughty flicker
also have like 750 valorstones in those little items in my inventory
grim jay
brother did u spam tier 1 delves
You easily cap weathered if you play m+
haughty flicker
that im saving up
haughty flicker
im gonna be playing legion remix when boost hits cant do dungeons and shit
waxen oyster
on your shit alts
hollow elk
You easily cap weathered if you play m+
i started playing last week monday
waxen oyster
https://i.imgur.com/Xjkaqop.png
SAME
haughty flicker
going into this season with capped valorstones just made me never run out
grim jay
i started playing last week monday
Alright, so if you cap gilded and keep doing m+, it fills your lower tier crests
hollow elk
Alright, so if you cap gilded and keep doing m+, it fills your lower tier crests
ye i see
haughty flicker
but at least i havent been pissed off by them this time
waxen oyster
the worst alt for valorstones so far
is warrior
idk why that class costs so much
to upgrade shit
also fun fact
vestal granite
Delves are so fun, you pull ONE pack on your 710 gs rogue and two seconds later brann triggers emergency healing and pulls an extra two packs from 60 yards and they insta teleport because of PS1 Era Navmesh and punch you for 4mil damage each and then at the end the gilded crest chest is somewhere hidden and you dont even get the 7 gilded crests you came for
waxen oyster
the explorer nightfall gear is boe
you can sell it on the ah
you only get the gildeds 3x a week
vestal granite
oh that explains it
waxen oyster
and 10 if you do a map on t11
but yeah
you just pray for an ethereal gate at start
foggy torrent
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wXmC6xkQvH66V73Q8yaooH
I feel like picking the neck would be a waste since it i'snt BIS, but it gives me a higher DPS increase when maxed out then tier helm (which is BIS). What do you guys think? I think I will go with helm
balmy condor
I mean, that's a great neck though
hearty seal
ara kara myth track trinket loses against the hc antenna
sac has always simmed weirdly, I had much better results in practice with it in S1 than sims suggested
shadow zealot
We got anything else besides cloak for this weeks affix
hearty seal
no
haughty flicker
just yell at healer
waxen oyster
dwarf
proper seal
are we hopeful at all that there will be bug fixes or should I start looking for 1h swords
nova kelp
DORF!
haughty flicker
the more slurs you shout the better they perform
hearty seal
rather die than play dwarf
foggy torrent
I mean, that's a great neck though
But would you pick it over Tier helm?
balmy condor
or just do a key where the xalatath affix isn't real
haughty flicker
there will be no bugfixes but also dont get swords anyway bc outlaw stinky
hearty seal
or just do a key where the xalatath affix isn't real
actually a better option yeah
don't have resi 12 yet, but I figure I can get it this week
balmy condor
But would you pick it over Tier helm?
given that you have a 697 neck, yeh probably
also depends how easy it is for you to farm a myth helm I guess
clever sparrow
chest myth prio over shoulder?
balmy condor
but I don't see anything wrong with the neck
haughty flicker
myth helm from first boss if you raid
balmy condor
chest myth prio over shoulder?
what does this even mean
waxen oyster
are we hopeful at all that there will be bug fixes or should I start looking for...
sub doesnt use swords
foggy torrent
also depends how easy it is for you to farm a myth helm I guess
I'm not doing mythic raid, just M+ so all my Myth track gear comes from vault
clever sparrow
what does this even mean
raid bot doesnt work so i cant FIND MY TOP GEAR for the vault
balmy condor
F
hearty seal
are we hopeful at all that there will be bug fixes or should I start looking for...
some people saying that a lot of people at Blizz were off work this week, something to do with American holidays
don't have the slightest clue what they were about
radiant otter
you can craft a neck, take the helm
balmy condor
raid bot doesnt work so i cant FIND MY TOP GEAR for the vault
what's wrong with raidbots?
clever sparrow
what's wrong with raidbots?
random error high traffic disabled
warm vortex
Guys look im crit/mast with no vers im 100% assa
balmy condor
with NA vault
warm vortex
ignore the suvival hunter
haughty flicker
ew you use the stinky channel trinket
light grove
I have an hyper trash tier neck haste versa 691. Craft 720 neck mastery Crit with the new spark seem good. What do you think buddies ?
hearty seal
sim iiiiit
warm vortex
ew you use the stinky channel trinket
I mean i use a pvp trinekt otherwise
clever sparrow
with NA vault
exactly i couldnt sim from yesterday
runic hinge
warm vortex
pvp trinket has no channel
I mean
My 704 idol outsimmed 723 lily
and mastery is my bis stat
warm vortex
Ah yes
drop more of my bis stat so i can use a trinkety to give said stat
Im at 25K mast atm
warm vortex
But i like the channels
How else do i watch TV
red schooner
But i like the channels
How else do i watch TV
Dunno, I just do it between mutilates
warm vortex
Also reminder that i got this last night
balmy condor
exactly i couldnt sim from yesterday
So…. Sim it now?
warm vortex
So i'm fine with a nothing vault
red schooner
Can fit a full box set between abilities sometimes