assassination

[warm vortex]

Being insulted by her probably turns half of the playerbase on

[balmy condor]

it's bonkers

[steel ridge]

you will have her in delves next expansion :>

[brave zenith]

might be why some ytbers swapped to those extreme length game videos like pyrocynical

[balmy condor]

yah

[warm vortex]

How much of it is going into guild repairs

[dense cedar]

your video has to be either 30 seconds or 30 hours long for the algo to care about it

[wide quail]

Why don’t we macro deathmark and vanish for mythic+ content to have a higher burst?

[brave zenith]

love me some 5h talk over some meme game some swede made with graphics that just hurt the eyes

[steel ridge]

asmongold uploading his entire streams to youtube be printing money

[warm vortex]

Btw, yesterday i did a taz gambit 12 on my hunter

Can we fucking talk about the evokers damage

[dense cedar]

Vanish is multifaceted, don't need to use them like that, could be wasteful

[warm vortex]

like what

[brave zenith]

idk i have avoided asmon for some time now

[warm vortex]

"healer"

[brave zenith]

him being cut out of bbnos video also doesnt make me want to watch asmon again

[dense cedar]

• some pulls you'll be in DM before MA has run out

would be kinda worthless

[balmy condor]

cause you hold vanish for chain pulls like 95% of the time

[dense cedar]

ty for showing the world survival hunter

[golden loom]

had to patch hearthstone just to take this screenshot

[warm vortex]

God what i'd do to her

also

Now i can do the funny

@balmy condor
did they fix the bugs

[dense cedar]

I thought they got rid of the Thanks lines in HS

[spice spire]

?

[dense cedar]

or was that a different voice line

[spice spire]

@warm vortex going to eat ur ass king

[warm vortex]

No

that's the sorry

[red schooner]

Go back to sleep

[spice spire]

I am not asleep

I am about to go to bed

[warm vortex]

Read what i replied to

[spice spire]

[red schooner]

Then go to sleep old man

Sheesh

[balmy condor]

quake what do you think of my thread title earlier

[spice spire]

only with u bbgirl

[red schooner]

[warm vortex]

Have fun

:D

[golden loom]

I quit hearthstone like 7 years ago but no wonder I picked rogue when I started playing wow

[spice spire]

she dome on my eco until I demise

[warm vortex]

First time i hitlegend was with hunter

[balmy condor]

csgo players when I buy an awp round 3

[grizzled geyser]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[steel ridge]

literally the same for me xD

[warm vortex]

back when they made the classic mode, it was like 97% bots

[spice spire]

shut the fuck up

[warm vortex]

i think i had a like

[golden loom]

miracle rogue here

[warm vortex]

98% winrate to legend

[dense cedar]

The only thing I really liked playing in Hearthstone was Mill Rogue

[warm vortex]

because it was just bots

[dense cedar]

Peak card game gameplay

[balmy condor]

yes daddy

[spice spire]

midrange paladin

[warm vortex]

Also whispyr i waited a whole week to make the joke and you don't budge D:

[golden loom]

my peak was like rank 8 legend with undertaker hunter though

[steel ridge]

dead inside

[warm vortex]

The best thing about hearthstone is rarran

[golden loom]

based

control warrior and control paladin great times

[spice spire]

real

[red schooner]

Is that the build where you throw mankind off of the top of the cage?

[spice spire]

love control warrior

[balmy condor]

I am tranquility itself

[brave zenith]

somehow assa chat seems way more active than outlaw

[dense cedar]

my child

[red schooner]

We finally got outlaw to take their adhd meds

[brave zenith]

i want some of those pls

[golden loom]

christmas 2014 I got 100 packs as a christmas present and built control warrior

[red schooner]

Got them Ritalin'd up

[brave zenith]

still have to ask my doc to test me

[warm vortex]

I mean we are all delirious because of no patch notes

As am I

Buff my silly spear spec please

[brave zenith]

surely we get outlaw buffs

surely

[dense cedar]

wait a sec, @warm vortex is wildfire infusion gone?

[silent drift]

in like 12's/13's, should i be garroting every add possible?

[quiet oar]

Ja Servus, hier ist ihr Essen und ihr Getränk, sagen Sie mal war Verstohlenheit zwischen den Gegnergruppen wichtig?

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-my-life-gleep-glorp-shitty-life-depressed-alien-gif-5095639538306027973

[balmy condor]

in like every key, you should be garroting every add possible (from stealth)

out of stealth garrotes are giga shit

[silent drift]

that'd make sense, i lowkey use to use garrote 2 times off the opener and called it good

[balmy condor]

yeah no, you can do that with rupture

but definitely not garrote

[silent drift]

aight, yeah, felt like i should be cranking more, so i'll try garroting everything

[balmy condor]

if it's a giga pull toss out an extra rupture or two while the pack is getting grouped just to make sure you keep scent/energy up

[brave zenith]

is assa sometimes waiting on energy?

[balmy condor]

otherwise just 5 targets with rup, everything on earth with garrote

and then CT/envenom blasta

[balmy condor]

in single target, nearly always

in aoe we're drowning in energy

[glossy light]

is worth to reapply garrote in ST in the last second of carnage?

[balmy condor]

technically yes but it's very minor

[golden loom]

feels good tho

[whole mason]

I think when they create tail coin, it extended as generator so SF procs?

[golden loom]

especially if you are on 4 combo points with a darkest night up

[silent drift]

aight, so lets say i have a chainpulling tank (i know the whole chain pulling meme is not real), but since im garrotting everyting needing to stealth between pulls is a real thing now, yeah?

[balmy condor]

yes

[whole mason]

but why a generator generating 0 cp, another big question

[balmy condor]

I mean it's always been a "real" thing, but if your tank is chaining properly and you pull things faster you have more uptime on aoe so it's better

that's why it's "fake"

there's no debate that restealthing is big dps gain

you're taking talents that give you damage from stealth

that's not in question

but if you're spending like 5-6 seconds in stealth between packs when you could've been hitting things instead

that's a dps gain

[warm vortex]

The 3 flavours of bomb?

[broken lion]

how do we play in soulbinder naz fight?

[warm vortex]

If so yea

As is cluster bombs

[balmy condor]

you go deathstalker and then hit the boss really hard

and you deathmark the big add waves at 2:05 and 4:25

[warm vortex]

Wildfire infusion was fun, sad it’s gone

[warm vortex]

Oh so not the burn phases

I’ve only done heroic

[midnight mist]

[balmy condor]

the burn phases on soulbinder?

never heard of those

[balmy condor]

assa is a good spec man

[warm vortex]

I’m thinking of the wrong boss

[midnight mist]

thats crazy cuh

[warm vortex]

I’m a big silly idiot

[brave zenith]

araz?

[whole mason]

my guess is tail coin is similar to UB when they create them very early on while UB generate cp originally after fient but later both changed to no cp generation, and that's where SF kicks in.

[warm kindle]

swapped to assa this season and tanks are always asking me if they should give me time to re-stealth and I just tell them to do their thing and I'll figure it out. I can almost always find a second to get back in. PVP practice

[balmy condor]

envenom -> shiv -> deathmark -> kingsbane all of a sudden you're at 6cp again

[warm vortex]

Bro what is that PfP lmao

[midnight mist]

ok but, do they work with lethality then

is lethality a whitelist

i dont remember

[warm kindle]

im almost positive i got it from this discord

[balmy condor]

the correct answer is "as long as you don't just permalock the group in combat with a mob at 0.1% hp every single pull you're good"

[vale fox]

yea i cant get that 95 dimensius parce whispyr.

i gotta get my trinkets i think

[balmy condor]

lethality is a whitelist yeh

[midnight mist]

[warm vortex]

That’s fair

[balmy condor]

it's very cool

[midnight mist]

I hate that everythingi s a whitelist

[dense cedar]

what's even the fucking point of living

[midnight mist]

so nothing ever works

[warm vortex]

What does white list mean again I’m stink

[vale fox]

ruining my whole logs lmao

[warm vortex]

Oh also

[vale fox]

i hate purple

[balmy condor]

I mean the whitelist is good

[warm vortex]

Flanking and butchery are a choice node now

[midnight mist]

well

[warm vortex]

You can’t have both

[midnight mist]

bf with deft doesnt work with all the generator damage increase talents

[whole mason]

why whitelist is bad?

[midnight mist]

neiter does ks

because they forget to fill it out

[balmy condor]

I mean, different issue

[midnight mist]

everytime idk

[dense cedar]

bizzare

[midnight mist]

like i wish they just tagged something as "generator" and it just worked

[warm vortex]

But hey your mongoose bite can cleave like 5 things and butchery is now like
A regular 1 charge ability that gives nutty bomb cdr

[whole mason]

since bf isn't a generator?

[warm vortex]

So it’s not all gloom

[warm vortex]

Was blizzards reaction to SV being S tier in raids during 11.05

[dense cedar]

no logner just 3 charges u spam out

[midnight mist]

remember when we had er, and everytime they added a new finsiher interaction it didnt work with er

that was good times

[golden loom]

ds mark and ER

[midnight mist]

well it is very much a generator with deft

[warm vortex]

Nope
1 charge on a like 12 sec cd that gives bomb Cdr for everything it hits, up to 5 targets, at which point it gives an entire bomb charge back

[deft geyser]

what are good chain pulls for assa and what type of chain pulls sucks?

[dense cedar]

kinda sick af tbh

[whole mason]

that's programming implementation issue i believe
like deft not making bf into a generator ability class rather simply grant you cp
like you finish and you gain cp based on cp consumed and chance, this also DOES NOT make your finisher enjoy any generator buff

[warm vortex]

Also there are 2 main builds in M+

One is more well rounded and focuses on prio, the other is pure bombs

I’ve ended dungeons with nutty bomb %

Spot the difference

[lunar briar]

quick question

u guys have low dps on pure St ?

[balmy condor]

quick answer

[warm vortex]

Pure M+ St yes

[balmy condor]

I'm assuming m+

and yes

our m+ build has shit st

[lunar briar]

this shit is driving me crazy dk is doing 6m dps on solo boss im doing around 2.8

[warm vortex]

Posted 2 dps screenshots from sent build and PL flanking

[balmy condor]

okay well 2.8 ain't good

[warm vortex]

It is what it is

[vale fox]

yea but you get a good tank and he pulls packs with boss for you

[balmy condor]

that's probably a you issue

[whole mason]

while ER is a covenant ability not even a rogue ability in programming originally (assuming), no way it succeed generator ability class if they programmed in this way (assuming), thusly it always needs a special treatment

[lunar briar]

does outlaw do more than this ?!

[balmy condor]

probably

[lunar briar]

how much should i do on st ?

[balmy condor]

I assume outlaw doesn't give up 27% of their ST to run m+ talents

but idk

[balmy condor]

depends on your character I guess but 2.8 in ST is pretty low for a decently geared character atm

[brave zenith]

afaik outlaw st is also bad

[balmy condor]

probably should be like 3.2+

[whole mason]

I thought outlaw ST is good this season?

no?

[lunar briar]

isnt it keeping all 3 bleedings up and following death marks with shives ?!

i mean st rotation is prety easy ?

[midnight mist]

well my finisher isnt directly a generator tho, its a talent that generate cps when i press a finisher, thats different from deft directly turning bf into a generator

[severe jacinth]

what's a good shiv uptime in m+ ( on details )

[whole mason]

that's pretty wording tooltip you're looking at

[subtle cedar]

how important is maintaining 150 energy in m+ for sanguine in st fights?

[balmy condor]

yeah but people love going into m+ bosses without deathmark and then not casting vanish during deathmark or not casting shiv during deathmark or only getting 1 deathmark cast on like a 3.5 minute boss fight and then they show up in this channel similar to what you did and bitch about the ST

[balmy condor]

you don't do that

[bitter solar]

That depends on how long shit lives for and even then, i don't think that's something you should really worry about

[lunar briar]

shall i sacrifice a darkest night buff if i need to shiv on deathmark ?!

[midnight mist]

[vale fox]

wait vanish during DM? the guide rotation said vanish when needing burst

[severe jacinth]

i see, i saw in my +9 floodgate i had 66% uptime and was wondering if that's supposed to be good or bad

[vale fox]

can you explain further plz?

[balmy condor]

idk what this means

[balmy condor]

W rage bait

[vale fox]

LOL

fck outaaaa here

[lunar briar]

when u have consumed 3 deathmarks u have darkest night buff

[whole mason]

okay, really bad at emo expression, may i ask what's this?

[balmy condor]

is your deathmark not a burst button?

[bitter solar]

If you want to judge it. I think you're best off looking at the duration of combat vs the amount of shivs cast+uptime

[balmy condor]

correct

[lunar briar]

but if u dont envenom that with full combo points and shive instead

u wil lose 1 shive

[balmy condor]

well obviously you don't shiv when you don't have a mark

[deep breach]

hey guys whats the command to get the plater profiles ect

[balmy condor]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[deep breach]

thanks whispyr

[balmy condor]

np

[lunar briar]

imagine if u deathmarked the target

[balmy condor]

imagining

[lunar briar]

and u already have darkest night

[balmy condor]

uh huh

[broken lion]

does numbing poison work on bosses

[midnight mist]

idk i just have no idea what you are saying

[balmy condor]

yes

[whole mason]

@balmy condor fantastic bug video

[lunar briar]

do u have to shive right away u gonna first envenom fulll combo points then shive ?

[midnight mist]

my bad tho i go back to my channel

bb

[subtle cedar]

ahh ok just use skills off cooldown and pool a little for DM

[vale fox]

hold up im now confused. isnt Vanish coming in at the end of this whole sequence?

[balmy condor]

you consume darkest night then shiv

[lunar briar]

thanks

[balmy condor]

first off that's AoE, but is your deathmark not a burst

[vale fox]

it is

[balmy condor]

if you're walking up to an m+ boss

why wouldn't you want to get a 12 second crit damage buff

[severe jacinth]

do you always save shiv for when you have deathmark coming up to have 2x shiv when it;s up?

[balmy condor]

and duplicate an improved garrote

[vale fox]

i would

[balmy condor]

yeh

exactly

[balmy condor]

yes

[runic basin]

chill today we will get class tuning

[severe jacinth]

i need to stop aggro pressing it then

[lunar briar]

do we ? is it official ?

[vale fox]

ok so you mean like ppl not timing their DM's with boss pulls which fucks your whole dmg up

[bitter solar]

Fuck tuning fix some bugs for the class then nerf us

[jolly stirrup]

??

[balmy condor]

huge

!ban @ocean granite spam

[jolly stirrup]

NOO

[vale fox]

HAMMER

[bitter solar]

i didn't get to read it all

[jolly stirrup]

MY OPPORTUNITY FOR EASY MONEY

[whole mason]

was actually reading a $500 opportunity

[vale fox]

but yea i see what you mean. vanish during DM so you can extend the improved garrote in ST yes

[balmy condor]

well that + crit is good

but yes

[severe jacinth]

why WOULDNT you vanish during DM

??

is there ever a reason not to

[vale fox]

ahh yes the crit from Master Assassin

i forget about the passives

they are huge

[balmy condor]

if you don't give a shit about the boss and want the vanish for some giga aoe after

[hidden plover]

do we vanish as fatebound on st?

[severe jacinth]

yea even with MA imp garrote is still big no?

without*

[vale fox]

but whisp

MA is 20%

[balmy condor]

yes, there's a talent on fatebound that specifically asks you to

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

so true bestie, slay periodt

[vale fox]

do i get points for correcting the guide writer?

or hammer like paulie there? XD

[severe jacinth]

that's mrs paulie to you

[balmy condor]

what did I say

[vale fox]

HAH mrs paulie

i think you said 12%

[hearty reef]

I wasnt fast enough to read the ban

[balmy condor]

I said 12 seconds you numbnut

[vale fox]

nvm

[bitter solar]

[vale fox]

ima see myself out

XD

the door's this way no?

[subtle cedar]

does it matter when during dm we vanish + imp garrote or does it just need to be any point during the window?

[vale fox]

i would venture to say you wanna do it before it expires

but not too soon

[balmy condor]

I mean ideally you would have the crit up for the entirety of deathmark

and ideally you would also want to duplicate improved garrote as much as possible

cause 2x of a good thing is 2x gooder

[vale fox]

TRUEEEE

[balmy condor]

so casting deathmark and then waiting 10 seconds with your dick in your hand before vanishing

[vale fox]

whyspyr for president

[balmy condor]

is probably not ideal

[golden loom]

you will still have subterfuge in the opener usually on a M+ boss when you deathmark and then you vanish when that expires

[balmy condor]

yeh

and then boss gets to 35% hp and you get giga execute and you do it again

[vale fox]

wait target dummy confused me. i vanished when subterfuge expired but MA still had 6 seconds and it didnt add more time to MA

should i wait for MA to fall off so i can regain it with vanish?

[golden loom]

dont vanish when u have MA

[vale fox]

ok

got it

[golden loom]

pretty sure the interaction is bugged but also no reason to vanish early

[balmy condor]

a bug? what a surprise

[vale fox]

LOL

is this a bug that the bugmaster missed?

[balmy condor]

no

[golden loom]

its old

[vale fox]

oh

[balmy condor]

I just didn't make an exhaustive list

there's plenty of bugs that are just super whatever

[vale fox]

yea that fcking set piece bug on FB is killing me

[balmy condor]

like this says mutilate and deadly poison

but it works with ambush

and amp poison

[vale fox]

i just see me Doom CD pulse for DM and slap it

[balmy condor]

but doesn't work with wound poison

so

[vale fox]

realize its 15 seconds early

and cry

[balmy condor]

[golden loom]

and thats why everyone plays internal bleeding in pvp

[balmy condor]

also

if you wanna be a real stickler

where is it

there was some talent where it's supposed to be a comma but it's a period

idk can't remember which

but this isn't how you spell inevitable

[vale fox]

no fcking way

we are at this point

[storm karma]

as a teacher, this hurts my heart

[final star]

maybe it's meant to be inevitabile cos they wanna make you throw up

checkmate john blizzard

[jolly stirrup]

I like how you pronounced it in your Video

Do you have to write it wrong as well in your Makros?

[balmy condor]

also everything in wow is a multiplier right?

like this is 33% more likely, so 33% of 50%

[subtle cedar]

the time and effort it would take to fix an important typo is so minimal

[balmy condor]

cause it can flip heads/tails

or this is a 30% multiplier

30% less applications in total, so if you have a 50% chance to apply, now it's 35%

so this is?

that's right, additive

and this?

also additive

[normal kindle]

Do we know how dps loss in Mono and multi Target?

how much

[balmy condor]

for

fucking

what

dps loss in mono target for scratching your ass

or what

[golden loom]

so is improved poisons + DTB = 55% * 30% or 50% * 30% + 5%?

[normal kindle]

Yeah i need to know so i can rub my butt good

[balmy condor]

improved poison + envenom with 2 stacks with TTK + baseline + dtb is

(30% + 30% + 30% + 5%) * 0.7

[normal kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/lotion-on-skin-creamy-slide-gif-19439240

[golden loom]

lovely

[balmy condor]

ask better questions

you walk into a restaurant and go "how much is the food"

they'd probably stare at you stupidly too

[jolly stirrup]

Depends on the restaurant

[red schooner]

Go to bed whispyr

[balmy condor]

you eating out at the dollar store or what

[jolly stirrup]

All you can eat?

[balmy condor]

if you wanna eat my ass yeah

[jolly stirrup]

Hell yeah, now after tucking you in i get desert awesome

[balmy condor]

@static grove now hold on a minute what do you know about my ass

[static grove]

Not the ass itself, just the take haha

[balmy condor]

bro hits me with the pinch like "nah that's cap, I have the measurements here, it's in fact far less that a buffet"

I'm still waiting for sunse to ask a question that makes sense

what is bro doing

[normal kindle]

With the price raising of food price and quality is what i am looking for dude but whatever ...

[balmy condor]

oh my god

[deep breach]

man i am getting insanely unlucky with getting 4 set 🥲

[balmy condor]

I cannot shitpost forever man

please

[normal kindle]

LOL

[balmy condor]

I beg of you

a full english sentence

[static grove]

Do not underestimate yourself

[balmy condor]

true, my apologies

[normal kindle]

Me no ingleishou

[hidden plover]

as fatebound ST and for your kingsbane windows without DM, do you shiv last 8 seconds or shiv before, or shiv right away? couldn't seem to find answer for that in the guide.

[balmy condor]

last 8

shivving beforehand probably ain't the worst either, you still buff the coins

[hidden plover]

okay

thanks

[balmy condor]

np

[static grove]

Hey Whispyr, I know there is a pin planned about it, but i need to ask. You have no intel about a fix incoming ?

[red schooner]

He's the one stopping the fixes so he can generate clicks to his videos

You heard it here first

[feral mason]

my fault man fix on the way i was binging gilmore girls, i gotchu guys

[static grove]

I knew it...

[balmy condor]

even if i I had intel, which I don't, what makes you think I could share this hypothetical secret intel in the first place

wouldn't be very secret or intel at that point

[hollow river]

[static grove]

Cuz you love us

[hollow river]

It’s literally in his name

Whispyr

[balmy condor]

whispyr if you had a secret, what would that secret be

[feral mason]

he actually whispers subliminal messaging in all his guides to turn people into femboys

Thats why the guides are 3 hours long

[balmy condor]

that's why I'm the goat

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

why is this a chat message btw

yeah, thanks

I know it was changed

I hit the button

I just did that

it ain't even descriptive or anything

like if I'm upgrading an item you could at least say from what ilvl to what ilvl if you're gonna make a message at all

[storm karma]

so you can see the diff between what it was and what it turned into

[midnight mist]

wtf you have intel?

[balmy condor]

yeah but that's a shit way of doing that

[midnight mist]

thats crazy actually

[bitter solar]

purple text endorphin

[nova kelp]

it's terrible news - killed loomithar and just completely fucked all my cds at the very end

[balmy condor]

there are far better ways to make a chat message that conveys that information

[nova kelp]

then the antenna was given to a bm

[storm karma]

i can agree on that 😄

[balmy condor]

shouldn't have fucked your cds

[nova kelp]

big true

I dropped to 5.2 🙁

I still need shunter boots 😢

[rotund oak]

this isnt AT discord u susbaiting whispyr

[balmy condor]

nah he was susbaiting earlier when he was talkin bout my ass

ong frfr

that man a freak

[rotund oak]

least quake isnt around

no baits there,bro is raw

[balmy condor]

quake went to bed a bit ago but dw I put some toes in his dms and I showed him the inside of my mouth the other day

he's set

[red schooner]

Quake eating good for a while

[subtle cedar]

if I enter combat with stealth with empowered bleeds then dm is it still necessary to vanish during the opener dm? or is this more for the dms you cast mid combat that do not already have improved garrote/rupture? sry if I'm missing something obvious

[balmy condor]

in single target, yes you would vanish just for the single target burst

bleed build ST does absolutely nothing outside of deathmark/vanish

so you have to pump those windows as hard as you can

in AoE most of your vanish/stealth value comes from spreading the bleeds in the first place

so if the bleeds are already spread, you could vanish for extra spreading or the extra crit, but it would basically just be used in insanely large giga pulls where you know you won't need the vanish for a chain pull or some shit

like the crit is good, but if you can use the vanish later to spread more bleeds, that's preferrable

[subtle cedar]

noted, i also heard it's good to use vanish for renewing empowered bleeds for sudden demise threshold, ig that's more of a case by case thing if the pack requires it or needs to die fast? thank you for the help btw

[red schooner]

Maximising sudden demise opportunities is your priority, don't let anyone convince you otherwise

[dense cedar]

weapons broke halfway through the kill pull

[red schooner]

Is it good for your overall damage? No. Does it give you more opportunities for the giga demise? Yes.

[spring token]

Hey guys for weapon enchantment do i just select every one and sim it ? so no more stuff to look for ?

[balmy condor]

definitely not

sudden demise is inherently a dps loss

for every 100 health remaining you need 150 damage worth of bleeds

so if you're gonna vanish for sudden demise, you have to realize you're losing 33% of your damage

just on principle

[red schooner]

I just like seeing big demise numbers

[south prawn]

guys is there something wrong with me or is rogue not desirable in pugs? i have all 14s timed except for 3 and i cant get invited solo if my life depended on it. I can only get invited with dk friend or dh tank friend

[red schooner]

I take what limited joy I can get out of m+

[hidden plover]

do you guys let garrot and rupture fall off in KB, DM windows? so you can just blast env's or do you reapply in those windows as well?

[red schooner]

We keep bleeds rolling

Look at what deathmark does

[hidden plover]

yeah so if you have to re-apply you do so even tho it's DM window

[balmy condor]

it's not top 2 dps uber meta super bis giga damage so you don't get invites

welcome to m+ pugging

[hidden plover]

just asking to see if i was doing it right or not :p

[subtle cedar]

got it thank you for all the help

[balmy condor]

yes, DM duplicates bleeds on your target, so having bleeds up during DM is very good

[south prawn]

the sad thing is the only class that can outdps me is hunter T_T

[balmy condor]

ya well

pugging is 90% dealing with idiots 10% afking in dorn waiting for an invite

get used to it

[red schooner]

Yeah but why are you not higher up on youtuber tier lists bud?

Skill issue

[idle plaza]

did they fix the bug?

or still on going?

[crisp venture]

i havent been invited to a single 15 after having all 14s timed for like a day and a quarter

[south prawn]

I feel your pain brudda

[crisp venture]

a full day of signing up

btw

[balmy condor]

the world of warcraft pug experience, yes

it's been this way for a decade

[clever sparrow]

I STILL FAILED TO TIME A FUCKING HOA 13

is this dungeon over tuned?

[crisp venture]

and i could only do my friends resi 15 hoa which just didnt go anywhere surprise surprise

[clever sparrow]

or pepole are so bad?

[crisp venture]

u need alot of count

so alot of pulls

[south prawn]

at this point just bring solo que system

[crisp venture]

harsh packs

[south prawn]

enough is enough

[idle plaza]

guys?

[red schooner]

[crisp venture]

this was my last 13 and it was torture

i beg they change hoa

[strange onyx]

Play league instead. Insta queue and then you fucking hate you got into a game 5 min in

[clever sparrow]

same its my last 13 and yesterday i played 14 hours straight

[crisp venture]

[clever sparrow]

failing hoa 60 times

[crisp venture]

what are u failing to

after 1st boss?

[south prawn]

I mean the current system doesnt really save you from these scenarios

[clever sparrow]

EVERYWHERE

[balmy condor]

yes my son

[grim jay]

I mean at the end of the day wow is meant to be played with a guild

[clever sparrow]

first pull-after first boss-stairs to 2nd boss-mini boss

[grim jay]

[clever sparrow]

WE WIPED ON A MINIBOSS

cause my tank turned his back to mobs and got one shot somehow

[clever sparrow]

THE GUILD THAT I NEVE HAD

[grim jay]

Hardest dungeon to time together with ara kara rn

[grim jay]

Well jokes on you

Get one

[clever sparrow]

maybe i should stay until they nerfed it

[clever sparrow]

actualy i have one but they are mainly raiding

nothing else

[warm vortex]

I’d hard disagree

[hidden plover]

6 minute on the traning dummy, 4m dps 1.45B dmg does this seem right?

[warm vortex]

I find ara quite easy
Timed a 12 with a wipe on last boss

[clever sparrow]

i will get my AOTC and vanish out

[grim jay]

Its fine to be wrong

[grim jay]

12s are a joke

[clever sparrow]

WTF is this send log

[clever sparrow]

12 / 13 dont have much difference tho

[grim jay]

Sounds like it might just not be brimming with the type of player you are, which might warrant a switch. On the other hand there are communities you could try without changing guilds

[warm vortex]

Your a joke

Smh David

But yea gambits the easiest imo

[grim jay]

Yeah 13s are rather easy aswell

[warm vortex]

HoA being the hardest

[clever sparrow]

i just find farmers in communities lol

how should i find one xd

[warm vortex]

From what I’ve read gambits also the easiest in higher keys

[normal mist]

I love eco

[clever sparrow]

Eco -> street

[warm vortex]

Generous timer, nothing patiently difficult (aside from the deckhands that hit like nukes for some reason) and short

[grim jay]

No idea actually, I do have people that play m+

[clever sparrow]

LUCKY YOU 💔

[shrewd night]

[warm vortex]

Eco and streets are easy true but imo gamba takes the cake

Oh hi kof

[shrewd night]

Who said a no-no word

Do they know they said a no-no word?

[warm vortex]

What would your reaction be if weezing got a mega

[grim jay]

Whats the no-no word? Love?

[clever sparrow]

idk in my keys pepole still cant hit frontal to mobs on 2nd boss

😄

[grim jay]

Royal said that

[normal mist]

It wasn't me

[shrewd night]

Royal is a married man, we lost him ages ago

[normal mist]

But I know who was

Less than 2 months to be a legit father

I'm a changed man

[warm vortex]

He can still have fun with the homies

[grim jay]

Challenged

[normal mist]

Both

[shrewd night]

Imagine looking forwards to dookie diapers, couldnt be

me

[grim jay]

We could both be married men. Together.

[jolly stirrup]

Have the Dad jokes prepared?

[normal mist]

I'm so looking forward to it

[jolly stirrup]

[normal mist]

Been cracking them up for years

I'm ready

[jolly stirrup]

Perfect, you are good to go

Wishing you all the best for your family

[grim jay]

Did you already have the discussion about if one of you can use gloves while changing diapers?

[warm vortex]

Wonder what her first word will be

[grim jay]

Rogue

[clever sparrow]

isnt it bad to post a message in EU recruit when my guild master still there recruiting? 😄

[warm vortex]

If her first word isn’t in her native language that’s impressive

[clever sparrow]

should i /gquit first?

[warm vortex]

At least I assume English wouldn’t be her first language

[normal mist]

I didn't even think about it actually

[shrewd night]

If her first word isnt koffing

[grim jay]

I had that discussion and I wasnt even close to changing diapers

Heated topic

[normal mist]

Fuck it I'm doing it without

[shrewd night]

Brave

[grim jay]

I got shit on for saying I'd wear a pair

I think both sides benefit.

[cerulean peak]

Gloves

Soap is good

[clever sparrow]

HOA 13 WE REACHED LAST BOSS WITH 5 MIN LEFT

and guess what? we wiped cause pepole didnt soak the line

[cerulean peak]

A little nail brush for when you get poop under your nails

[clever sparrow]

im gonna cry

[left nacelle]

Hey guys! Is there a way (or macro) to face the same direction you casted from after using shadowstep?

[warm vortex]

HoA is fun on sentinel

[earnest remnant]

no

[shrewd night]

Why would you ever want to

[grim jay]

Id throw up ngl

[warm vortex]

Same person that wants their blink to go in their moment direction

[cerulean peak]

naaah you get used to it very quickly, you have to lol

[clever sparrow]

AYO is survival like outlaw? your whole dmg is wildfire bomb?

[grim jay]

No and no, just using gloves

[warm vortex]

Sentinel yes

[shrewd night]

Except outlaw does dam

[shrewd night]

HEHE

[warm vortex]

This is the other build

[warm vortex]

Do they

[clever sparrow]

xD

[earnest remnant]

time for your key push season, cat is strong af

[shrewd night]

I have yet to see a surviva in keys, so they do right now do more than 0

[shrewd night]

No group, else Id be up there already

[warm vortex]

I have this 12 gambit
Only one I have on hand

And I only saved it cause of the pres damage

[shrewd night]

The fuck is the dk doing

Frost should be hardgapping everybody

[grim jay]

Gasping

Judging by his name

[warm vortex]

Tbh

I was obliterating stuff with my herd

[normal mist]

It shouldn't be a problem either way, some people just want to complain and fight

[glad ruin]

What's the idea behind taking less poisons on your weapons this season for keys? I feel like I do a lot less damage.

[normal mist]

Depends on the build

Bleed was really good last season too

Which only uses 2 poisons

If you're doing less DMG it's because you don't know how to use bleed build

[glad ruin]

Very possible

[red schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-rap-battle-gif-19515410

[normal mist]

I was not saying he's bad btw

[shrewd night]

[warm vortex]

We don’t run kingsbane and most of our talent points are to bleed stuff

[normal mist]

It's possible concerne

[warm vortex]

Kingsbane with 2 potions is doo doo

[shrewd night]

We know how toxic you can be mister royal

[warm vortex]

We all know your the best rogue

Casual and zeros be jelous

[normal mist]

I did play with Echo yesterday

[red schooner]

Same but that's because guildies don't know how to set up microphones

[shrewd night]

[normal mist]

That's actually an amazing punchline

XD

[grim jay]

Ikr, its wild how some people connect stuff like that to something else entirely and make an issue out of it

[grim jay]

I had my fair share of those

[idle plaza]

is assa better then sub atm even with the bugs?

[grim jay]

Different strengths

[idle plaza]

need biggest overall in keys

[warm vortex]

Why

If you want biggest overall play havoc or frost or something

[grim jay]

E-Pen reasons

Should just play frost dk

[warm vortex]

I’m an SV hunter
That alone has given me a lot of genuine compliments

More than I’ve ever got when playing with rogue

[idle plaza]

rogue more fun then frost dk and havoc

[earnest remnant]

Assa will do more dmg than sub in high keys

assa AoE is just tuned a fair bit higher

[idle plaza]

what if u are doing max 10 keys?

[warm vortex]

It doesn’t matter

[earnest remnant]

probably still assa

[warm vortex]

If your doing 10 keys you can top dps with anything

[idle plaza]

yeah gonna boost with this toon so

[pulsar gulch]

Im struggling on keeping dmg rolling with m+

Sanity checking im usually waiting for a big pull, focusing main target ambush for deathstalkers mark and applying rupture/ garrote with carnage, getting rupture up on 5+ targets and getting crimson tempest rolling too. How do you keep rupture rolling , do you start tab targetting re applying one by one? Sometimes finding vanish not available and i just feel like my rotation slows massively

[empty mirage]

according to the guides, we only use coup de grace when fazed is up. is there any situation (other than the fight ending) will we use it when unfazed is not up?

[pulsar gulch]

Also really wish there was a way to apply deathstalkers mark in combat especially if your tank chain pulls im finding i save vanish for next pull for example
Then its not there to reapply rupture etc

[warm vortex]

What

Brother this is #assassination haha

[warm vortex]

Darkest night

[empty mirage]

shoot my bad~~ wrong section

[warm vortex]

When you consume all the marks you get a buff that makes your next 7cp enven do lotsa damage and apply 3 stacks of mark

Darkest night, it’s the capstone

[warm vortex]

Also I only refresh my ruptures on targets that will live
Like, I think the official time is 12 seconds or something?

[pulsar gulch]

Yeah darkest night works ok but sometimes i find the mark just drops off, i might be not tracking them properly

[warm vortex]

I don’t think it’s still bugged like that? I could be wrong tho

!bugs

!bug

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[warm vortex]

That’s not the right bug

[pulsar gulch]

Its probably user error, i need to amend my plater colours so im tracking where my deathstalkers mark is

[next compass]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[pulsar gulch]

I know whispyr has a edit of the jundies, im tempted to try make one myself with some colouring to help for my sanity. I find my dps lives and dies on managing how many targets have rupture up for energy regen and also just keeping dots rolling

[vale fox]

can one of the Shadows look at my gear and tell me what i should 720 craft this upcoming reset?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/56509048

[warm vortex]

Sim

It would be more accurate and easier to just sim to see

[vale fox]

sim each potential item?

[warm vortex]

Yes, you can easily do it with droptomizer

Crafted gear - epic

Iirc

P sure you can set the stats for all of them too

[vale fox]

lemme try that

[warm vortex]

Ye

Funnily enough I simmed PvP conq gear and found a trink simming near ritual forge

[next compass]

I did it, but it appears everytime after loading screen

[balmy condor]

do you have the personal health/mana bar setting on in the general tab here for some reason

[glad ruin]

When should you drop the DISC belt?

[warm vortex]

When something else sims higher

[balmy condor]

when you get a belt that sims higher

[warm vortex]

Haha beat you to it whispy

[next compass]

I untick it everywhere.

[balmy condor]

well clearly not, or else it wouldn't be showing up :P

[next compass]

I did it blizz setting than tried in plater settings(

[balmy condor]

those are the only two I can think of

[golden loom]

my singular focus value.......

[idle plaza]

assa is still mastery crit right?

[jade abyss]

Bleed?

[idle plaza]

btw deadly or instant what u guys pick?

[drifting cloud]

[spice pewter]

oO

[idle plaza]

jesus i totally forgot how to play assa

[whole wolf]

There's a 3.5h guide from whispyr for 11.2 and that'll answer all your questions (all timestamp in description)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZXEXxFABJM&ab_channel=Whíspyr

but yeah mast-crit, balance with sim, and deadly, deadly-amp if you go for dual poisons

[idle plaza]

i just took rank 1 talents is that a bad idea?

[whole wolf]

I'd say those are made specifically to be played along his mates, it might differ from your needs / standard build, can't really speak about it, I'm at the other side of the ladder

[warm vortex]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[warm vortex]

Tldr sim your gear

[idle plaza]

yeah i will prob max push to 13-14 other then that i wont be doing much ngl

[warm vortex]

The poisons you talent into

[idle plaza]

so for a guy who will spam 10's and boost prob a normal wowhead talent would be fine no?

[warm vortex]

There are 2 poisons you spend talent points on, use those 2 poisons

So deadly poison

and either numbing or atrophic, depending on what one you chose

[idle plaza]

so numbing and atrophic can be changed for the dugneons i guess?

for like really high caster dungeons numbing can be better then atro no?

[warm vortex]

Probably yea

What does your build look like atm

[idle plaza]

well i came back to the game from s1

so its garbage 😄

[warm vortex]

NO

I mean your talents

caps soz

[vale fox]

ok so question

[idle plaza]

same as yours

[vale fox]

i know the opener for AoE bleed

but how do we play those huge pulls?

like priory or arakara

should we delay DM until after multidotting almost everything?

[warm vortex]

For priory im p sure it's the exact same

[idle plaza]

just need to remember the rotation back again cause when i go to dummy i opened 5m but it can be more no?

[warm vortex]

Yes you never DM when your still spreading

[vale fox]

ok

so even if you delay dm its ok

cuz there's so many to dot

[whole wolf]

you should get the delve belt, pretty easy upgrade

[balmy condor]

literally fuck off youtube

[idle plaza]

yeah will do today whenever i can

when i eat i will get 4x10 again and tonight i will have heroic vip bought for the rogue

[warm vortex]

I mean

[idle plaza]

so i guess i can be decent when everything done

[warm vortex]

The other option is to DM and just not do anything with it and lose a lot of damage
So you'd wanna hold it yea

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/sidney-sweeney-bath-dirty-little-boy-dirty-boy-you-dirty-boy-gif-5027563761264367208

I saw what you put there

[warm vortex]

:(

[idle plaza]

i believe we craft crit mastery right?

[warm vortex]

We can yes

But still good to sim first

[idle plaza]

i mean

i have 649 and 636 ilvl wep

anything will be big upgrade

[warm vortex]

Fairs

[idle plaza]

but as far as i know the best stats are master>crit no?

[warm vortex]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[warm vortex]

Yesn't

[idle plaza]

oh crit = mastery

[shrewd night]

Just send the craft without missive

Be the gambling addict you know you are

[nova kelp]

^

I do this

erry time

[idle plaza]

LEL

[nova kelp]

not joking actually

every stat works

[balmy condor]

I also craft no missive

[idle plaza]

but the question is should i go ascension or blessed weapon grip

cause 90% of the time i will be doing m+ and wowhead says grip is slightly better in m+

[balmy condor]

Probably just go ascension tbh

[nova kelp]

embelishments are all like dog fighting over what does slightly more insignificant damage

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[nova kelp]

I wonder if anyone ever actually made the emb stiletto

[vale fox]

yea im too stupid to understand the complexity of sims but i think im better off crafting a 720 crit mast ring than getting the one off plexus

[balmy condor]

Someone’s had to have done it

[balmy condor]

What’s complex about it

You just select the stuff you’re trying to sim, and then it compares the two

[nova kelp]

considering people are STILL crafting int daggers, it would be a significant upgrade for some luls

[vale fox]

like all the variables that can be added lmao

[idle plaza]

highest ilvl to main hand right?

[balmy condor]

interesting

[balmy condor]

Yes

The left slot in your character window

[vale fox]

oh whisper why did you say to not craft 720 offhand?

[nova kelp]

offhand is kinda just poop

stat stick

[balmy condor]

You have a 720 crafted in your main hand

[spice surge]

Droptimizer shows it as being good (since droptimizer ignores the 2x embellishment cap often)

[idle plaza]

and i believe i should craft wrists now for better value instead of 2nd wep?

[spice surge]

So surely somebody did

[idle plaza]

or should i craft the second wep as well?

[balmy condor]

You just move that to your offhand when you get a myth dagger

[vale fox]

oh ok

[idle plaza]

btw thanks for the all of your videos they are amazing ❤️

[nova kelp]

that's the most doomer and yet rational reasoning

[vale fox]

yea ill probably craft that crit mastery ring

its a 80k dps increase

[balmy condor]

no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

[nova kelp]

can just buy a crit/mastery ring tbh

from the ah

[vale fox]

plexus ring is only 54k

not 720 dont think

[idle plaza]

but just saying i came back to rogue after season 1

so my stats are all over teh place atm

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t matter

[red schooner]

Offhand is a bad slot

[balmy condor]

You craft a second dagger I will find where you live

[red schooner]

Don't waste stuff on it

[balmy condor]

And choke you in your sleep

Sexy style

[nova kelp]

offhand is like last in your priority

[idle plaza]

PLS DO TY ❤️

[red schooner]

You convinced me. Sending the craft

[balmy condor]

A second dagger craft is -1 spark -60 crests

For fun

[idle plaza]

ok crafting wrists and getting the band i believe

[vale fox]

after i have this crafted ring im only missing both my trinkets

im gonna die before i get an antenna or prism

[red schooner]

Craft an alchemist stone, treat yourself

[vale fox]

LOL

[red schooner]

[vale fox]

why not

then craft offhand dagger right after

just to give whispyr a heart attack

[red schooner]

An offhand stiletto

[vale fox]

i might fall asleep

so gn just in case

[dawn seal]

hello

has anyone killed araz here

on mythic

[vale fox]

lol

nvm. lol on me

[dawn seal]

may I ask a question

[vale fox]

wait for competent rogues

im trash

[dawn seal]

its not a rogue question perse

[vale fox]

whispyr is somewhere around here

stealthed

[dawn seal]

I was curious if the raid has assigned any knocks

and is the knocks for the ball adds

so that they dont reach pylon

._.

[vale fox]

i wouldnt know. didnt get to araz yet. wish i could help

but plenty in here beat that fight already

they will help

😄

[earnest remnant]

yes you assign knocks and stuns for the adds

since they need to be pushed into the void zones

[dawn seal]

ohhh

[red schooner]

May be worth reaching out in raid leader exchange for that kind of thing? We're on him tonight but like, I don't read tactics I just vibe

[earnest remnant]

to lose their dr's

[nova kelp]

49% on our first few pulls into araz

[dawn seal]

ohh oke oke

[nova kelp]

just enough time for me to realise I fucked all my sub shit

[red schooner]

I think I'm benched tonight anyhow, I'm safe

We have every ranged in one the fight and only 3 melee

[nova kelp]

we're progging with 7 melee atm

and our melee spots are all like the most consistent raiders

so it probs aint changing

[scarlet orbit]

melee players > ranger player ofc not biased

[knotty forge]

Ofc

[burnt turret]

!loot

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[clever sparrow]

Which spec is better for pushing past 13?

[warm vortex]

Im p sure all 3 are good for it

[clever sparrow]

but which one better WITH PUG*

like outlaw is shit with pug

[clever sapphire]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[orchid moth]

Make assasination great again 🙁

[cyan dew]

I should always prioritize spreading more garrote in a pack if I already have the 5 rup going?

[normal mist]

Wdym again

It's not that bad

[vale fox]

ngl watching a priest sit in the middle of 5 ppl and not ever going below 50% health while non stop 5 second AoE fearing us is so cringe

[orchid moth]

Yeah it's not great either is it

[normal mist]

If I can do 8M overall, it is

XD

[orchid moth]

Why do 8mil when you can play sub and do 10mil

[normal mist]

Because I don't play sub?

[orchid moth]

Because sub is great

[normal mist]

Not in my hands

[orchid moth]

Imo assassination drew the short straw on the 4 set, It's either bugged or its not that good

😛

(Deathstalker)

[winged sun]

Its both

It was bad in ptr now its dogshit

We’re basically doing same deathstalker dmg without the set than without the bugs

[orchid moth]

Honestly feel the same way

[winged sun]

Singular doing 5% 💀

Not buffed by 60%

[solar wyvern]

I miss.ptr singular

14% of my k
Overall

[grim jay]

It actually is. Many people just got spooked by the kira video which was misinformation on the actual dps loss

Or are just annoyed because they exist in the first place even if they arent that massive like shindig

The actual bug based loss is like 2-3% in m+ overall

[red schooner]

Yeah but think about the impact that has on my +10 keys. Game is broken.

[grim jay]

[subtle tundra]

cause fuck sub

[spice surge]

Consensually ofc

[subtle tundra]

cooldown manager spec, if i wanted to do math mid pull id bring a sheet of paper and a pen

[grim jay]

Is that a pen and paper ref?

[subtle tundra]

idk what that is

[normal mist]

Shame

[honest flower]

Sensei posted a video to copium araz

[grim jay]

Idk who sensei is and why there would be any copium for araz

[honest flower]

Whispyr and i hate playing araz as deathstalker. Can't be the only one ^^

[ripe bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-bell-game-of-thrones-walk-of-atonement-cersei-lannister-gif-16635977892557113898

[normal mist]

He said multiple times araz Fatebound is a thing

[subtle tundra]

calling whispyr sensei kinda cringe

i call him daddy or papi

[main blaze]

Whispyr-chan?

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/ayypapi-ohpapi-gif-25862738

[grim jay]

I personally call Whispyr Stiefvater

[thick zinc]

when do we replace the durable information container belt?

[grim jay]

As soon as another belt sims higher

[cyan dew]

Guys when rup sniping, should I still use rup with 5+ CP?

Also, with 6+ targets, should I prioritize garrote more than rup if I already have rup on 5 targets or better tu rup more?

[grim jay]

One is a builder and the other is a spender, so there is no one over the other either way

You garrote everything inside the carnage window, you rupture two times, three times at most

[cyan dew]

So rup is never rly worth more than the 5 targets?

[grim jay]

Its mostly used to max scent stacks and get your energy economy set up

[cyan dew]

I said that because garrote has a lower duration compared to rup, so if I have vanish UP I was debating if I should vanish right after the first round of garr expires or I should wait till the rup expires too.

[grim jay]

I personally dont use vanish that way at all

You can just manually keep ruptures going if the pull lasts longer

I usually use the first vanish for my first deathmark if its a big pull just to get it on CD

After that its mostly for bigger chainpulls

[cyan dew]

got it

thanks

[maiden sierra]

He said that its fine, not that its correct choice

[desert crest]

How da fak has bliz still not fixed the bugs

And we wonder why rogue is so underplayed

[maiden sierra]

But yeah with deathstalker bugs, its really a sub angle. Gotta embrace the truth

[desert crest]

Yeah but on all the st fights i still have too play around dumb fatebound bug

[normal mist]

A thing, not "the thing"

[desert crest]

Is actually soooo cringe when u look down and see 2 min cd on deathmark

[cyan dew]

I should use dry shiv when I have lingering darkness and DN is up, meaning I should use shiv to reach the 7 CPs, right?

[grim jay]

Definitely not part of the reason

[cyan dew]

On AoE and in DM window, should I still CT or just focus on on envenom?

[plucky patio]

Help me Stiefvater, i'm stuck.

[old terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-frustrated-rdj-gif-15041423

Pugging keys with sin is so annoying

[proper jay]

is there a link somewhere for rogue specific dungeon tips ? Asking for hard mode tazavesh so i can know how to cheese boss abilties if possible

[main bridge]

i would just watch a video

there are tons for Tazavesh hard mode

[proper jay]

mages have https://www.mage-hub.com/dungeons that i found helpfull having it open while I am in the dungeon and checking during the run

[main bridge]

nothing like that for rogues as far as i know, unfortunately

[proper jay]

damn. Thanks for answering anyway 🙂

[main bridge]

the only really notable rogue technique of in Streets/Gambit i can think of is that you can cloak the interrogation on the first boss of Streets

[barren yarrow]

Yeah that the only one I know of as well

[elfin fossil]

Before or after the cast?

[main bridge]

before cast completion, so cloak has to be up when the cast completes on you

[elfin fossil]

Thanks

do you need to move out?