assassination

[static glacier]

not that pls

:c

[gilded oasis]

Fk you right

[red schooner]

Where will we see pictures of Stu?

[waxen oyster]

/cancelaura Blessing of the Bronze

to perma trigger any dragons with a buff tracker

[gilded oasis]

[thorn thorn]

Cancelaura aug buffs

Ruin their parse

[bright charm]

thats true have every button on your keyboard a macro that also cancelaura aug buffs

and then blame them for not doing anything

[thorn thorn]

[waxen oyster]

I do that in pugs

Idk if i missed any after prescience and ebon might

[thorn thorn]

You dont need to cuz pug augs already arent doing anything

[thorn thorn]

shifting sands

[waxen oyster]

Average aug pug had sub 40% prescience uptime

in my experience

[thorn thorn]

If its on them then that tracks

Overall its over 90% cuz you just hit that shit on cd

[waxen oyster]

Yeah the runs are just slow

[storm tulip]

Hello I'm playing rogue since a bit of Time rn and I'm wondering what is the most efficient spec right now knowing the fact that we have some bugs I want to have your toughts

[main bridge]

most people would have no idea there are bugs if it wasn't for the recent clickbait video

[storm tulip]

Cause of course I was playing assassination and I am actually

Yes i think that too honestly I didn't fell them

[main bridge]

assassination is still a very good spec despite the bugs and i wouldn't give them a second thought

[storm tulip]

Okay then I'll continue to play it tysm

[grim jay]

Ye its just a small loss in m+

In raid on fb it can be somewhat annoying if it happens, but it doesnt happen that often and if anything, its the tset bonus that will get fixed soon I would like to think

[storm tulip]

Okay ty all really usefull to me

[safe wasp]

So if I want to push in m+, still Assa-bleed or go for Sub ?

[main bridge]

assa is better and easier

[grim jay]

Both viable options with different strengths, wouldnt say one is better than the other overall

[waxen oyster]

sub is basically more niche

[sharp trellis]

Meanwhile

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/fafo-findout-fuckaround-fuckaroundandfindout-you-gif-26826252

[grim jay]

Wdym with meanwhile tho

[waxen oyster]

almost like trying to copy a product

[sharp trellis]

meanwhile we are bug AF they are focusing on housing, midnight expansion , 12.5 turbo boost , and suing private server that actually care

[waxen oyster]

is gonna get you sued

one costs money

Bro actually thinks blizz cares about what does t make them money

you pepegas will cry all day about bugs and still sub

so from a business pov, low prio

[grim jay]

You do realize that those are literally all different parts of the company right?

You cant be ignorant enough to think that it splits any attention

[waxen oyster]

Fixing bugs of the most underplayed class

[clever sparrow]

HOA vs flood 13 which one easier to time?

[waxen oyster]

is honestly not a smart business cchoice

[grim jay]

Flood

[waxen oyster]

compared to a lawsuit

[sharp trellis]

that what they want us to understand yes , but tbh i still pay my money monthly so i don't care how they manage intra company, i want my ACTUAL game to be fix before they focus on next patchs

[main bridge]

i think Flood easily

[clever sparrow]

JUST ONE MORE AND IM 3k

[main bridge]

dungeon from last season that people are more likely to know, versus Halls, which has a tight timer with casters that spam bolts

very easy to deplete Halls

[waxen oyster]

blizz doesnt care you are still going to sub anyway

[sharp trellis]

i like assa mate, that why i am talking here

[grim jay]

Well it doesnt matter if you care or not, your statement is still nonsense and a handyman doesnt do an accountants work either

[waxen oyster]

Doesnt matter what you like

they got their money from you

[sharp trellis]

nice conv guys

[waxen oyster]

Man i hope you arent over the age of 18

being this ignorant how a business works

[sharp trellis]

well if you think ignoring feedback from your customer is the way to go as a company , it's abvious you never manage anything

[waxen oyster]

Its lower priority typically

The average casual will never notice these bugs

and thats who most of their subs are

[clever sparrow]

can you do anything about it?

[severe meadow]

I think there’s a difference between ignoring something and it being low prio

[clever sparrow]

no

just start learning sub faster

AVG DPS EXPERIENCE

[waxen oyster]

Theres probably more class development spent on devourer

than rogue balance rn

[static glacier]

bugs should normally be pretty high prio if they impact the game

[clever sparrow]

yep

[static glacier]

look at how quick caustic got fixed

[waxen oyster]

Well they claimed to have fixed fatebound tier

[static glacier]

im not expecting tuning even, just bug fixes

[waxen oyster]

[fringe marsh]

xd

[clever sparrow]

devourer devoured the entire budget

[fringe marsh]

same as here mate.

[waxen oyster]

i would not be surprised if the rogue qa team

[grim jay]

They were doing passes at that point anyways

[waxen oyster]

is like 1/4th the mage one

[static glacier]

first mistake is trying to do 13s with pugs

[clever sparrow]

sitting at 2992

[grim jay]

There is none for either

They dont have any fixed devs for certain specs

[waxen oyster]

Why dont they just hire rextroy

[fringe marsh]

i'm a lock main but i really hate pug tbh

[waxen oyster]

[clever sparrow]

what to do? i want 3k.

[waxen oyster]

You can still walk up to people with digrats in open world

and oneshot them with fate intertwined

[static glacier]

just don't do keys if guildies / friends aren't aroundd

[clever sparrow]

my friend also playing lock and his pugging he says his gonna quit his stuck xd

[fringe marsh]

what if i'm a lonely bitch

[static glacier]

that's what i've been doing for like 2 expacs

[waxen oyster]

Idk whats even at 3k

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-cute-sweet-love-hug-gif-796916911135792694

[severe meadow]

Mount

[waxen oyster]

Oh a recolor of the mount we already got

[severe meadow]

Yur

[static glacier]

we'll all get 3k when turbo boost comes

[waxen oyster]

my enthusiasm

[fringe marsh]

pug tank its give me a headace

[static glacier]

on all alts

[main bridge]

not 3k already

[waxen oyster]

I did 3k to unlock myth trinkets

then never bought one

[static glacier]

i dont think im far off 3k

issue is i ran a bunch of 13s on alt not main

woulda been 3k otherwise

[severe meadow]

I hit 2800 and kinda just afk’d, no big rush

[static glacier]

no real reward for pushing, they need to add more

[clever sparrow]

i dont have anyone

[severe meadow]

Yeah

[fringe marsh]

yeah i need this ig.

[clever sparrow]

AHHHHH

[waxen oyster]

Just play prot war

its basically a dps

[static glacier]

are you eu?

[severe meadow]

We got guildies pushing 3300 and I’m like

[clever sparrow]

with prot warr you can out damage most arcane mages

[fringe marsh]

DUDE SAME

[clever sparrow]

yep

[waxen oyster]

i did last season

[static glacier]

i can put you through to my key friends if you'd like

they play only keys xd

[waxen oyster]

big demolish

[main bridge]

y'all should play together

[clever sparrow]

yeah why not 😄

[static glacier]

aight here's the yumytv disc, i know a few people from here

[clever sparrow]

my main reason of progress is to SHOW OFF IN GUILD

xd

[static glacier]

mixed bag with the people on this server

some suck, some are good

https://discord.gg/aCYtzhUv

[grim jay]

3 rogues in a key

[static glacier]

which spec wins

big question

[clever sparrow]

xd

[chilly dirge]

What is the addon/wa command?

[clever sparrow]

weakaura

[vapid terrace]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[chilly dirge]

ow ty 🙂

[clever sparrow]

its kinda weird that they didnt bring mage tower weapon appearances back

[chilly dirge]

Also do we macro cold blood to our envenom?

[clever sparrow]

HELL NAH

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[broken lion]

I thought assa outperformed sub in higher keys but is that not true?

[humble verge]

now i just need hoa...

5sec left on timer

[thorn thorn]

3k addition was good

Hopefully 3.5k

[chilly dirge]

Appreciate the help

[haughty flicker]

np

[thorn thorn]

[last skiff]

@clever sparrow I tagged maybe 100-15+ 0 invit

[balmy condor]

[thorn thorn]

[grim jay]

[fallow canopy]

[last skiff]

[tawdry halo]

[whole mason]

does switch target lose melee swings?

assuming within melee range

[waxen oyster]

they didnt bring cm sets back

[red schooner]

[torpid lion]

does anyone have any actual data regarding the impact/effect of stealth vs chain pulling in mythics? ive heard about this issue a number of times, but only ever in vague terms.
i have little experience as a rogue as i dont play one. but im curious from the tank pov, which is what i usually play. i know most other classes benefit, or at least dont mind, chain pulls, so im trying to get an idea where the break point is.

[balmy condor]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[balmy condor]

It’s super dependent on the exact pull etc

But based on sims, if a pull is properly chained and it saves ~5 seconds

[torpid lion]

so from reading that, ,y usualy practice of moving into a new pack once the 'old' one isnt a threat is good?

[balmy condor]

It’s probably neutral

Yes

As long as it’s not like 0.0001% remaining

That’s just aids

Cause like you get the worst of both worlds

Not restealthing is a dps loss

[torpid lion]

in the 10 dawn i just did, the dangerous mobs were usually down with the reast around 50%. tried to maintin a 5-6 add count

[balmy condor]

But you can make up for it with increased uptime/more aoe

Yeah exactly

If you can increase the uptime on aoe that’s going to be a bigger dps gain, not only for the group but also for the rogue

Generally if you’re gonna do a huge pull though maybe take a breather

[hollow fulcrum]

should i use lilly forge or lilly seaforium for raid

[balmy condor]

Rogue is gonna run dry after a while

[torpid lion]

thats the main thing i was curious about. if its a 10% dps loss for the rogue, but a 10% increase for the other two, its a net positive

[hollow fulcrum]

ik prolly seaforium forge for keys cuz cooldowns line up

[balmy condor]

Double on use

[balmy condor]

Yeah, the thing is that a lot of the time if the chaining is good, it’s a dps gain for the rogue too

[waxen oyster]

People just think its chaining when dragging a mob that will live 2-3 more gcds

which is so wrong

[balmy condor]

But a lot of rogues just go “I CANT AOE MY BLEEDS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE IT FEELS HORRIBLE”

You can tell those rogues to eat shit

[torpid lion]

my usual play as a tank is if theres spicy adds in the packs, ill grab them one at a time, burn the spicy, then grab the next, leapfrogging around. if its vanilla dds, ill grab however many i think the group can handle at once. ill often pull a small pack solo afterwards to recharge

[hollow fulcrum]

so no double on use?

[balmy condor]

Hell no

[hollow fulcrum]

ight

do i use lilly instead in raid since it lines up better or forge and just hold for kingsbane

[waxen oyster]

chaining is just bad if a straggler is so close to dead

that it dies gathering the next group

so now you have no re

or dots still going

[balmy condor]

That’s a sim question but generally forge is shit on fatebound

You’d have to cast forge every 3 min

And that’s uh

No bueno

[torpid lion]

cool, thanks for all the inof. i can now tell random rogues to stfu 😉

[waxen oyster]

You have 5 mobs still with rupture going for 10+ seconds

thats just free venomous energy

and scent

[balmy condor]

People pretend like restealths are 75% of their damage, and have since bfa

I’ve been fighting the narrative for a decade at this point

To no avail

Godspeed

[clever sparrow]

BE PROUD OF ME... PUGGING WAS PAINFULL...

[waxen oyster]

doesnt help the most common chain is the 5% straggler chain

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Community fundamentally doesn’t understand the difference between a good tank chaining and just bad tanking

[torpid lion]

probably another issue of people reading, but not understanding, something 'meta'

[clever sparrow]

may i ask whats the difference?
i mean the thing in !chain "when mobs are low hp and not dangerous anymore"
so we still dont get a restealth is it true?

im suck at english when im talking to whispyr

xd

!chain

!pull

what was that command

lol

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[waxen oyster]

Alot of the playerbase straight up cant multidot without IC

[balmy condor]

What’s the difference of what

[clever sparrow]

Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
in this scenario do we get a restealth?

or not?

[balmy condor]

No

[clever sparrow]

got it

now i understand whats the difference

[waxen oyster]

The correct one is where you still have 5+ ruptures going

on an old pack that has longer than 10+ seconds

[clever sparrow]

yeah like the casters are dead and nothing blocking you for the nex pack

tbh bad tanking is hella fun

😄

[autumn folio]

Is Antenna still the go to trinket after the nerfs?

[waxen oyster]

idk why bro thought jumping into center of a pack is smart

no brand or spikes

[clever sparrow]

....

i did the same with my dh...

same thing happend..

xd

in the same dungeon

same location

[waxen oyster]

I mean

if you arent throw glaiving to gather

into sigil of flame feldev

then idk

[clever sparrow]

NO

I JUMP

LIKE A MAN

(AND DIE LIKE A PIG)

[waxen oyster]

i basically use brand like a dps cd

let that shit spread

at start

[clever sparrow]

so what tank should i play?
DH - Pala - Warr - DK - BEAR

[clever sparrow]

same xd

[tawdry halo]

No monk smh

[clever sparrow]

too lazy to learn it

Also i cant show of any cool mog on it

[tawdry halo]

DK for that wheelchair fun

[waxen oyster]

Idk my monk mogs are heat

(i just use cloudsong glaive)

[hollow fulcrum]

do we ct in st in m+

[clever sparrow]

xd

[clever sparrow]

yes

cause why not?

[waxen oyster]

dk is much less fun

witbout abom limb

[tawdry halo]

Wait they got rid of sloppy hands?

[waxen oyster]

Yeah

[tawdry halo]

I’m not changing that autocorrect

Wow blizzard really does hate fun

[waxen oyster]

unholy has a replacement ability with no gripping

blood got nothing

[tawdry halo]

Ok don’t go DK then

And don’t play bear that shit is boring as hell

[static glacier]

issue with slappy hands is

it trivialised a bunch of fights

they can now tune around grip being good since dks only have 2

unless bdk takes gorefiend

[thorn thorn]

Fyrakk

Omegalul

[static glacier]

kekw

[tawdry halo]

Yeah I get that

But it was a very fun button to press

No more dopamine for monkey brain

[thorn thorn]

Yea but consider the following

DK dps became broken as compensation

Seems like a good trade

[stark matrix]

I'd just like blizz to fix bugs

[oblique sorrel]

Haven’t touched my blood after the removal

[stark matrix]

remove grip entirely, fix bugs

[oblique sorrel]

Not fun to play now

[thorn thorn]

Only possible requests

[stark matrix]

bit dramatic

wrong channel then, maybe try #subtlety

[potent raven]

is assa that bad rn or

[stark matrix]

bad? no

worse than it should be making it worse than sub in keys? yes

[potent raven]

i got 3300 with it last szn being forced to play the ST build it was honestly so horrible?

i guess they didnt fix that shit

[stark matrix]

wdym

they "fixed" things and broke the spec

[potent raven]

oh sick

like its st was rly bad last szn so u had to play the prio build that zeross cooked whatever

in like, at least 16s+ lol

but u could get away with other ones, but they werent as good

[stark matrix]

st is better now with bleed build

but your funnel is cucked because of bug

[royal lantern]

what

[stark matrix]

also I don't think you needed to play the cleave build last season if 3300 was what you obtained

[potent raven]

it felt better

but i think i speedran it with turboboost

[royal lantern]

[potent raven]

i dont think itss good tho by any chance

dont get me wrong

i just clarified

[potent raven]

wut

[potent raven]

what is the bug?

[tawdry halo]

[potent raven]

i dont care lol

[gritty laurel]

then why the hell did you ask

[potent raven]

that person specified funnel

[tawdry halo]

Yes

It’s in the pins

[gritty laurel]

???

[tawdry halo]

[gritty laurel]

opening ravenholdt was a mistake, i'm going back to hell where it's nicer

[potent raven]

ngl based

[void pecan]

Me checking the pins everyday to see if bugs are fixed

[potent raven]

fck

such a good ss

ty

lol those bugs seem insane

can u even play that spec and do any dps with all that

[tawdry halo]

Yes it’s fine

Not ideal but it’s not the end of the world

[potent raven]

assa was so good in s3 df tbh. wish they havent changed anything

like capping KB

i.e

miss the way it felt back then

[royal lantern]

fuck no

KB was such a dogshit ability back then

balanced around getting Pi, holy shit it was cringe

the gameplay is literally the same, you are just not balanced around getting Pi anymore to do dmg

[winged sun]

assa below aug..

assa is doomed for the season

its over

no cappy

[potent raven]

ya sorta true, n outlaw was preferred in keys anyway after nerfs

but raid wise it was so good, man fyrakk

and tindral

were fun to play on assa and not sub

fck that szn was just good man

[tawdry halo]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[winged sun]

assa was inflated cuz 1 min deathmark bug

no cappy

we need more buffs no cappy

[royal lantern]

?????????

its literally the same gameplay

nothing changed

the only thing that changed is that the numbers went out of KB and into envenom instead

so that assa is not reliant on Pi anymore

[winged sun]

assa sucked balls on tindral

it wasn't bad but

sub was just better

[potent raven]

spatter was nice for roots but

[winged sun]

ye i mean assa did good dmg in logs

[potent raven]

that was when ppl had no gear

when i didnt fly

id get 95s

[royal lantern]

if you needed roots, you played sub

[potent raven]

but ye sub was better

shield and roots

iirc

just remembered u had to time ur vanishes for cds too

on sub

LOL

[winged sun]

xdd xdd

what

sub didnt give a shit aabout roots

[potent raven]

yh bro sub was insane boss dmg

[winged sun]

u had other classes that do roots

[potent raven]

3 sectech opener

u had dhs

doing roots

sub was js boss dmg, shield

[winged sun]

got r1 boss dmg on my 1st pull mythic

[potent raven]

never got anything

private log

[winged sun]

it got locked in r2 tho i think

unlucky

[potent raven]

why cant see private logs

if not in guild

[winged sun]

theyremoved u

or ur not signedw in

[potent raven]

oh

yes

removed

i have SS

np

[winged sun]

you being removed means ur old guild has shit officers

no offense ofc

[potent raven]

nah theyh ad beef

with me

[winged sun]

ye that explains it

[potent raven]

5 splits guild

for wr 60

XDXDX

dont care

[winged sun]

5 splits

[potent raven]

yes bro

i geared 5 chars

quested 5 too

lost my mind

when theres guilds like cyathursday doing 2 splits and raiding 3 times a week (iirc?)

getting insanely high wr

just no talent unlucky gg

[winged sun]

well

wr60 and 5 splits

sounds =like crazy work

[potent raven]

daily raid too

besides weekend

[winged sun]

i got recruited by few top 20 guilds

but

[potent raven]

4 hours

[winged sun]

they're all 8 alts or someshit

[potent raven]

i didnt see

[winged sun]

cba i barely can handle 1

[potent raven]

ik

its requirement

uhh

i dont remember the guilds that didnt do a lot of splits but got itno hall of fame anyway

but they are sick

[keen spruce]

i better be getting sponsor money if i'm gonna be grinding 5+ alts

[potent raven]

just boost mooney

[keen spruce]

those are peanuts

[potent raven]

i was getting paid like,

3m for 1 fyrakk kill

i.e

maybe more, idr

[keen spruce]

pretty bad hourly considering it's just blizzard gift cards

[waxen oyster]

boost money is piss unless like

[potent raven]

they should just make raiding an esport

[waxen oyster]

you live in a country where 1-2 euro covers your daily expenses

lmfao

[potent raven]

ya

arabs do that

a lot

no offense ofc

but need a lot of money tho like ye

russians too

cuz cant pay for sub otherwise too

just token

[fringe marsh]

...

[normal mist]

?

loot + warbound?

[fringe marsh]

yeah xd

@sudden brook yoo our pfp is same

[thorn thorn]

4 dps below aug

Its jover

[sonic lodge]

huh, i've read about the bugs and such, and now i dunno how to move, should i go outlaw or sub? I play way more m+ than raid but i do weekly runs with guild

or simply throw my rogue out of the window

[mint urchin]

All three have bugs

Pick your flavor of bugs

[royal lantern]

do you think outlaw/sub are less bugged lol

[main bridge]

you wouldn't have even known the bugs existed if it weren't for the clickbait video so why do anything differnetly?

[royal lantern]

^

[main bridge]

it's not like they're new bugs

[royal lantern]

ww monks main cd is bugged since the spec was created

[mint urchin]

Well some are lol

The singular focus is

[coral ibex]

the caustic singular focus bug is new

[sonic lodge]

def not

but i noticed some new ones too that made me wonder

[royal lantern]

well, they have new ones aswell

same as literally every single spec in the game

[mint urchin]

Doesn't outlaw still have issues with crackshot bugging if you hit it before subterfuge activates?

That's like way worse then assa ones lol

[royal lantern]

and deathstalkers mark on sub with DN up is yikes since TWW exists

like, every spec has broken shit, most just dont even realise it in the first place

[sonic lodge]

kk

should've formulated better my question but overall i got the point

[mint urchin]

I mean roughly 10% overall nerf is hard to miss lol

[young flame]

I played outlaw to 70 then switched to assassination to find out outlaw pumps

[balmy condor]

Whatcha pumping

[runic hinge]

me

[chilly marsh]

does raidbots sim hunters boots power? the item shows without the power for me

[balmy condor]

it does, yes

link the sim

[chilly marsh]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sLZKBRB9tReU2qUxtFmHzt

[balmy condor]

tf is this gear compare nonsense

[chilly marsh]

only the boots tried to do it

[balmy condor]

yeh

so the issue with gear compare

is the power of the boots is based on the track of the boots

so gear compare has no way of knowing what level to sim the power at

that's why you top gear

cause you can pick the track

that's also why it says this shit

and this shit

[chilly marsh]

got it ty

[balmy condor]

np

[vocal ginkgo]

how reliable is dungeon slice? should that be the go to for simming m+

[main bridge]

for rogues yes

[vocal ginkgo]

alright thanks, was wondering cuz right now i have mast>>vers>crit=haste stats and it says its fine

[main bridge]

if you're simming top gear you're in the right place

[vocal ginkgo]

yeah 🙂

thank you!

[wide berry]

deathstalker or FB on araz?

we're on heroic

[main bridge]

probably DS but be aware that the DSM is bugged on the pillars

[oak tangle]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[thorn thorn]

@fallow canopy

[wide berry]

we get hard punished for target swapping, still think its worth?

im having issues on just keeping the mark up

[main bridge]

it's what all the best parses are using so there must be some way to make it work https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-assassination/forgeweaver-araz?difficulty=heroic

[wide berry]

skill issues are my favorite

ty

[analog field]

Also FB works well in araz HC just keep hitting boss even when they take it away when echo spawns

[waxen oyster]

i mean its kind of fine on heroic

you just do a bit poopy damage in intermission but rest is fine

[main bridge]

you're kinda fine

[tough gorge]

fatebound cleave build feels good to play in M+

[fallow canopy]

[waxen oyster]

"I enjoy playing a hero tree that actively loses damage for more targets"

[tough gorge]

4p leans heavy in kb, which cleave build also likes, plays surprisingly well, been liking it more than bleed build

[waxen oyster]

Yeah and ds tier just is big in aoe

[wide berry]

i think my group is doing fine ithe add cleave, im going to chage to straight funnel and see how it goes

[tough gorge]

dunno what to tell you, its playing better for me

[wide berry]

i think i just suck at DS

[waxen oyster]

"Chat is it possible to play ds wrong"

i want some of that copium pretending kb is a good button

[tough gorge]

your a bit weird lol

[waxen oyster]

I mean its playing better for you because you're playing wrong

bleed damage is kind of disgust this tier

[tough gorge]

nah i get how to play bleed, i just prefer the boss dmg of this new build

im not getting alot of plays of people bringing packs into bosses for funnel dmg on bosses

i mostly pug

[waxen oyster]

bleed's boss damage is literally fine

yeh its a bit above tank but thats the tradeoff

for doing like 10m every pack

[tough gorge]

and i prefer having more boss dmg while having kb on huge packs still, works better for me.

not gonna argue with you about it

[waxen oyster]

I mean you're free to be wrong.

[tough gorge]

i cant be wrong on what feels better for me to play

[waxen oyster]

frost dk might be more your speed

[tough gorge]

nah im good, i dont care for you much tbh, so have a good day

[waxen oyster]

Just funny this cope about bleed's st is below tanks

[frozen glacier]

[tough gorge]

u said that? not me lol

[main bridge]

it doesn't matter at all. they can play whatever they want and it doesn't affect any of us

[sharp sinew]

Is there a realistic viable build of fb for m+ fb is just fun so much random dmg from coin flips

[thorn thorn]

!fotm

[prisma monolith]

FOTM Info

• Fatebound is not playable in any AoE situation, and ESPECIALLY not in Mythic+. Don't bother.

• Tuning is nowhere near done and realistically won't be until mid-September; unless you enjoy playing rogue there is no point in you rerolling at this time, we don't bring anything impactful (e.g big aoe stops/party buff) to the group

• PTR sheets and PTR sims are borderline misinformation with how rapidly things are changing and most sims are not currently updated at this time. Again, this will fix itself as we get deeper into the patch and things solidify, but judging a reroll off of PTR tier lists and random sims or seeing one guy pump super hard on a stream is not indicative of anything.

[waxen oyster]

Not really tbh

Any potential damage profile fb would have

[sharp sinew]

🙁

[waxen oyster]

would be better filled by sub

[peak pagoda]

Ew sub

[waxen oyster]

i mean if you want boss damage with good burst cleave

its just better

+tanky

[sharp sinew]

I love sub

But assa is on steroids rn

[peak pagoda]

Feels clunky af

[waxen oyster]

in bleed build yeah

cleave you just become a discount sub

[sharp sinew]

I dont ever press CT on boss

Should I be?

[frozen glacier]

yes

[thorn thorn]

[sharp sinew]

Even in pvp you dont press it if you cant cleave

[peak pagoda]

Yes

[sharp sinew]

Fuck

Should i do it before deathmark or after burst?

[frozen glacier]

deathmark doesnt affect CT

[sharp sinew]

I know

But how do yall do it?

[frozen glacier]

id have to think

pretty sure i do it after mark

[sharp sinew]

I see i see

[waxen oyster]

you just maintain it

[thorn thorn]

Fatebound will be considerably less shit in M+ when it stops nerfing itself in aoe

[waxen oyster]

takes prio over piss envs

[sonic zinc]

wont happen

[thorn thorn]

Correct

[sonic zinc]

gotta wait for next expac for a glimmer

[thorn thorn]

Real

[frozen glacier]

we did it boys

[thorn thorn]

Excellent work

[sonic zinc]

gz

[waxen oyster]

fatebound is just such a boring hero tree

adds 0 to gameplay

[thorn thorn]

Eh

Some people need that to perform

Just kinda weirdge that it nerfs itself

And we are approaching midnight and this is still the case

[sonic zinc]

any other spec that does that tho

[thorn thorn]

Pretty sure its literally just fatebound that does lmao

[sonic zinc]

its a weird dmg profile

forced pure st that u cant avoid

[thorn thorn]

Imagine having your ST griefed by adds being added

[sonic zinc]

its fine if they want a more ST focused hero tree, but its kinda weird that its just fucked with incidental secondary targets

[waxen oyster]

to me the only issue of ds

is you lose mark

if a mob doesnt die officially

[sonic zinc]

ds dropping is annoying af

doesnt shiv fix it now tho

or i mighta just not paid attention

[mint urchin]

not really when you have forced downtime or shit that doesn't officially die

[thorn thorn]

Mark just cringe

[waxen oyster]

dsm lasts a full minute

downtime is rarely that long

[mint urchin]

DN doesn't, its only like 30sec which is still decent but it can get lost

more M+ then raid

[sonic zinc]

its fucked if u lose itid pack somehow

[waxen oyster]

DN is only 30

m+_

combat drops

[thorn thorn]

This is assuming the game doesnt munch it

[mint urchin]

I've lost it on stuff like last boss of ara just due to the choas of shit

and last boss of Dawn

if I send my vanish and dont think

[waxen oyster]

idk how its lost on arakara boss

dawnbreaker boss yeah i lost it first week of s1

[main bridge]

what if you're just hitting the griddy in the corner dodging poison waves and webs

[mint urchin]

not that hard, pugs shooting poison at you, avoiding webs into pull

[grave rivet]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
• Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
• Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.

[waxen oyster]

i mean

you spent 60s not using a finisher?

[mint urchin]

30sec

[sharp sinew]

.3%

[mint urchin]

Mate its not like its an every day thing lol

I'm just saying it happens and its an annoying design element

[waxen oyster]

personally i dont think punishing bad play is a bad thing

alas

[mint urchin]

punish is losing out on dmg potential not "your entire hero tree now stops functioning"

[main bridge]

that's just damage

you won't die

[waxen oyster]

vanish

[main bridge]

but maybe you should since you'll be doing negative damage

[waxen oyster]

you probably would for not pressing a finisher for 30s

does OBR cover DN procs

[balmy condor]

[runic hinge]

Whisp do you think Hero of Fates is a good title to wear for my fatebound keys?

[novel star]

fatebound keys

[runic hinge]

You want in or what

[novel star]

no i’m in bed

[runic hinge]

Same

[novel star]

and i’m playing sub lately

strike bp strike bp strike bp

[runic hinge]

I might do that too now that I got a Lily

I got 23% haste tho

[novel star]

yucky

[runic hinge]

Yeah probably not good for sub

[thorn thorn]

Trashmaster title

[wide berry]

m+ talents on soulhunters is crazy

[little tulip]

bugs 🙁

[old terrace]

are these good stats for rogue?

[balmy condor]

based

[normal mist]

You need 1% more of avoidance

[coral ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[keen spruce]

all stats are vers in a trenchcoat

[minor dagger]

top m+ rogue in the world is playing outlaw and the majority is sub

why ppl still say assa is the way to go?

[gray raven]

because it's fun?

[minor dagger]

nah

not as fun as outlaw

[sonic zinc]

its ez, good general damage profile + execute in raid

[gray raven]

here you go: https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923682607857685

[minor dagger]

still, maybe outlaw is the biggest dps for m+

[sonic zinc]

outlaw requires more effort and practice, and does 0 boss dam

[keen spruce]

cuz zac is an outlaw one trick

[sonic zinc]

and 0 uncapped aoe

[keen spruce]

[minor dagger]

nah,i like assa, but i want the best spec for m+

[sonic zinc]

sin is just so much more flexible group wise with better damage profile for more comps

[keen spruce]

it's also better in a phys dam comp if competitively viable

[sonic zinc]

outlaw requires phys comp

[keen spruce]

which he's running

[sonic zinc]

he runs a group that pulls around him

u wont get that in pug enviro

[keen spruce]

it's also zac, if outlaw isn't completely gutter tier he's gonna play outlaw

[sonic zinc]

pulling around sin is pulling normally pepw

[keen spruce]

when you run warrior you sort of automatically pull around outlaw

dps warrior*

[sonic zinc]

u can stick sin in any comp compared to outlaw

[keen spruce]

and to be fair

the guy .3 io behind him

is runnign only assas and sub

and casual is playing entirely sub and assas

[minor dagger]

sub is an all around comp spec aswell

easier to play around pugs

[little tulip]

sub hates bad pulls more than the other two specs

[keen spruce]

yeah i mean you still like all of the phys buffs

[little tulip]

like way more

[keen spruce]

but outlaw just likes them more

[little tulip]

same stops as outlaw and cd based :y

just run bleed or play hidden opportunity if u wanna do outlaw in keys

[sonic zinc]

sub has burst damage and actual boss dam

[minor dagger]

i think when you add m+ and raid perf, sub is ahead

[little tulip]

yeah im rolling sub with our 5 stack and in raid til they fix assassin

[minor dagger]

assa bugs are annoying as hell

[little tulip]

outlaw has unlimited redirect breadsticks

and can fix bad tanking/survive the hits

i think sub does too but yeah weak pulls weak damage

[sonic zinc]

u can cd around the tank

[little tulip]

10 soul rending ambushes is a lil easier rn ngl

bad tanks aren't getting more than 8 targets most of the time

[real granite]

most of them play sub cause they have a raid setup and have huge amounts of versa, there are keys that favour assa (hoa, eda, flood) keys that favour sub (street, dawn) and keys that favour both (gambit, psf, ara)

in the assa keys you will se casual playing assa always

funnel is highly required there

in the both favoured keys, rn he plays sub mostly, but when the raid progress finish, or close to finish, you will most probably see him switching back to assa

[torn dome]

Who

[rotund oak]

pirate is fun but garbage,very true

most powerful sin,most potential sub

[waxen oyster]

its not that deep

[ebon prism]

can anyone good at M+ look at my logs for +13 eco and let me know if i'm doing anything incorrectly? my dps is poo poo

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZcBWCbf9hFMx64dQ?fight=last

[waxen oyster]

you change your neck and rings and you can swap between sin and sub

[rotund oak]

also m+ logs

💀

[rotund oak]

[real granite]

neck, rings, gems, enchants, cloak gem, weapon and bracers recraft, second trinket and probably belt power but idk about last one

[orchid pewter]

Just swapping ring is enough lol

[nova kelp]

this is thinking way too hard about it lol

[waxen oyster]

none of this matters that much

only thing is assa doesnt really fw double on use

if you have a jewelry piece with high haste, swap it out when playing sub

and you are mostly there

i would say belt power and cloak gem have even less validity since even the minor gain there is achieved by like 2-3 right clicks

[real granite]

im not saying you'd have to change that to be assa viable

im saying those keys are totally sub viable, and knowing you are already optimized sub, why take the hussle

they are timing 18 with around 3mins extra time

its just, why take the hussle if its not really being game changing

thats just my guess, anyways

[waxen oyster]

sub gearing is

avoid haste

i guarantee you the 0.1% gain changing ascendance to focus lens isnt timing your key

[ebon prism]

can u look at my log if u have a chance? i want to improve my sin

[uneven plume]

im convinced its over

these arent bugs, these are nerfs

😢

[waxen oyster]

the only spec that truly has to nitpick stats is outlaw with its mandatory haste

[real granite]

this is exactly what im saying, that it doesnt matter

[waxen oyster]

to even function

[real granite]

that 0'1 is not needed right now, theres time more than enough to time the keys

[waxen oyster]

yes and they play sub likely because it helps their comp more

also sub is just tankier

living is a very real concern at higher keys

not everyone is tww enhance with an aug giving you a bj the entire key

[tawny yoke]

guys bugs are not fixed yet ?

[glad ruin]

Is forgeweaver considered a cleave boss? or just a single with splash from spatter?

[uneven plume]

not bugs, hidden nerfs

they prob wont fix

🙁

doomin here hard

[glad ruin]

When thinking about talents per boss, am I right with this?
Plexius - Single
Loom - Single
Soul - Single w/ cleave
forge - single w/ cleave
Hunters - Cleave
King - single w/cleave
Demensius - Single

[uneven plume]

[glad ruin]

is that a yes?

[drifting cloud]

you play spatter on dimensius

[nova kelp]

this is about right, there is also a list on the wowhead guide if you're looking to play sin through the whole raid
mortiz is probably essentially suggesting another option is just going sub the whole raid because honestly you can just not even change spec throughout as sub
a fair few who love sin probs play fb sin on the single target and last 2, then play sub on the 3 in the middle

[buoyant herald]

Hey it me

[coral ibex]

just killed LFR dimensius

hardest content in the game

[buoyant herald]

Actually is

[runic basin]

just for my understanding, the current buggs affect our prio target dmg right?

[buoyant herald]

Primarily yes, aoe as well

Pure ST isn’t as affected since you can just hold if you get too much cdr and keep things aligned

[runic basin]

but the funnel ST then right?

[buoyant herald]

That’s the biggest detrimental effect I’d say yes

Assuming it’s a bug and not intended but unannounced

[glad ruin]

forgive my ignorance, "ST"?

[balmy condor]

single target

the biggest detriment atm is honestly prio damage in m+, as well as deathstalker cleave/funnel in raids

[glad ruin]

Found the talents for each boss on wowhead, so thanks for that

[balmy condor]

the issue is like, deathstalker is really good at funnel and aoe

so like soulbinder, araz, soul hunters

but in raid, all of your aoe is caustic spatter, which doesn't work anymore with singular focus

so you basically lost all your funnel in raid

and follow the blood isn't usable in raids either

momentum of despair is WAY better in raid

but that talent just straight up doesn't work

so like yeah singular focus bug hurts in m+, but at least you're still getting like a decetly large part of your funnel from CT and multi-dotting and all that

and you can play follow the blood in m+

but in raids you can't do that

so deathstalker just basically lost its entire niche in raids instantly

[haughty flicker]

yeah any fight i was gonna play deathstalker ive kinda just ended up playing sub instead

fatebound still cool though

[runic basin]

rogue (assa) is fun to play...but idk a bit mor ST would be nice, less AOE more ST idk

[balmy condor]

m+ player spotted

[grim jay]

maybe the apex talents will save the m+ crowd

[balmy condor]

the pendelum will eventually swing again

[grim jay]

[runic basin]

playing both

[balmy condor]

I've been doing assa TC for nearly a decade at this point

and I've seen the pendelum swing so many times

bitch that it's nothing but st and not enough aoe

then it's too much aoe and not enough st

then it's not enough aoe

then it's not enough st

maybe next expac we'll be back to not enough aoe

[onyx pond]

What if we played the council talents in araz and soulbinder ? Or just go sub during those fights?

[sonic zinc]

nah next expac its joever

[runic basin]

are you happy with the current profil? @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

but no matter what, it will consistently never be enough of something

I am

[grim jay]

what about the time where we had a good profile but we were "too squishy"

even a good profile isnt enough

[runic basin]

idk im feeling bad when it comes to dungeons where you can not ad some adds into bosses and you doing "tank dmg"

[balmy condor]

yah I mean unhappy people will always be unhappy

[grim jay]

just be better and dont deal tank dmg

[balmy condor]

hope you feel better I guess idk

you're literally soloing aoe packs and crushing overall

[grim jay]

people that "legit deal tank damage" or close to it are either exaggerating or doing smth wrong

[runic basin]

its a point

[balmy condor]

I personally think there are not enough niches in the game

like the m+ issue has actively hurt spec design

because everyone wants to do everything

every spec needs ST and AoE all in one talent build

[ebon prism]

whispyr do you have a min to check out my M+ log? i want to improve my dps but not sure what im doing wrong

[balmy condor]

and then if it doesn't have funnel

then it's also not good enough

and if you do infinite aoe and infinite st and good funnel

[runic basin]

dont think that im that bad...tank damage might have been a bit exaggerated, but it was clearly behind the other DPS

[balmy condor]

then it's not tanky enough

and even if it's tanky enough (feint)

you die to dots

and all of sudden you're too squishy

[runic basin]

Frost DK

[buoyant herald]

And then you have arcane so

Apparently it’s ok to have it all

[ebon prism]

Oh wait, it's this log: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZcBWCbf9hFMx64dQ?fight=8

we did some more dungeons so it pushed it down

If you have a minute to take a look please

[balmy condor]

yeah like arcane and frost dk are examples of having it all

but instead of looking at those two

and going "that shouldn't be a thing"

it's "oh why can't my spec be like that"

[buoyant herald]

?Por que no los dos¿

[balmy condor]

and then everyone does everything and everyone's bitching about homogenization and bitching about how bad the tuning is

when in reality it's like within 5%

and super tight

but because every spec just does everything

the tuning HAS TO BE that tight

[sonic zinc]

imma say it

[balmy condor]

if specs had downsides and niches, you wouldn't have to tune everything down to 0.001%

[sonic zinc]

everyone getting blade flurry was a mistake

[balmy condor]

yah I mean that's another example

where it's like "oh fire mage can just ST a thing and do the same aoe WHY CANT I DO THAT"

[sharp viper]

a mage player friend wants to know what a "spec downside" is?

[balmy condor]

and then you get shadow crash, nimble flurry, caustic spatter

[sharp viper]

he has no idea what that could be

[balmy condor]

I'm setting a timer for myself but I will not look for more than like 5 minutes cause reading m+ logs is a genuinely miserable experience

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/spill-issue-oh-no-my-milj-orange-cat-orange-cat-milk-milk-cat-gif-11913986030845101804

[balmy condor]

agony

[thorn thorn]

[orchid pewter]

You can kinda check opener sequence, but the rest is hard to look at

Linking a vod is so much easier if you want to get help for m+

[rotund oak]

quake or whispyr way more qualified than me

i could teach you how to kill DHs and Locks before they can trinket though

[nova kelp]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[rotund oak]

uwu

[nova kelp]

is this man actually bothering with an m+ log?

did someone give him gobbies or something?

[rotund oak]

yeah idk

[sharp viper]

maybe he is feeling extra masochistic today

[serene tusk]

hello question. can kingsbane be blocked, parried or dodged? i sometimes fail to apply it even after spamming it multiple times

[nova kelp]

that's rough, i look at an m+ log for like 8 seconds and I'm like "OH THIS, oh wait what if... hmmm maybe... or maybe... actually might not be that... actually fuck this I'm out"

[sharp viper]

not anymore afaik

[rotund oak]

used to be parried,it was hotfixed not to iirc

[sharp viper]

at least in pve

can be parried and stuff in pvp

[serene tusk]

okay. wonder why it doesnt get applied sometimes then. weird. but ty for answering

[rotund oak]

eveyrwhere

yeah

the amount of ppl here crying over logs from parried KBs

we even had Seli memeing over it

[minor coyote]

is there a rogue spec that has like one build that works for all, and that isn't changed like every patch 😄

[orchid pewter]

Ask the crystal ball

[minor coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/dishes-sean-connery-gif-18277592

[sonic zinc]

well, outlaw has only barely changed its spec tree

[orchid pewter]

If blizzard changes stuff, builds change most likely, if they dont, builds dont change

[rotund oak]

big brains also optimize stuff here

so u can always expect something to change

its the natural flow of things

everything changes

[sonic zinc]

wrong sap

war...war never changes #fallout

[rotund oak]

and chocolate filled donuts

#sugarrush

[sharp viper]

man it was rough, especially on bosses you had no chance of getting behind like rashanan or loomis

https://tenor.com/view/im-not-having-a-good-time-im-not-having-fun-no-fun-not-enjoying-it-im-bored-gif-14525695

[rotund oak]

that moth was str8 up sharing L's

more KBs parried than a freaking gladiator in the middle ages

[jagged niche]

can anyone please help me:

1. what do these mean
2. how to improve them

in this specific dungeon i was the top dps

[pure raptor]

Do higher keys

[jagged niche]

i dont think i have the ilvl yet..

how does key lvl correlate to the stats?

isnt it compared across same difficulty?

[sonic zinc]

thats filtered by points, which is all about key level

[jagged niche]

also, is there a way to read up on the detailed stats of a particular dungeon run, for example:

1. a way for me to view my 'run history'
2. select one from those
3. see more detailed breakdowns for that run,

?

apart from the 'Details' addon

[sonic zinc]

if the runs themselves were logged and uploaded to warcraft logs u can look into more detailed breakdown

[jagged niche]

where?

[sonic zinc]

in the previous picture, if a run was logged, the "source" column would have "log" in it, and ud be able to just click into it

if no one logged the run and uploaded it, u wont be able to get anything other than the completion history

[jagged niche]

how do i log runs?

[sonic zinc]

https://www.archon.gg/wow/articles/help/getting-started

[jagged niche]

thx!

[sharp viper]

your daggers appear to be low ilvl

at least mainhand, offhand doesnt matter

[velvet temple]

m+ logs are based on the key level, not your overall dps

[plush wasp]

no invites for assa rogue keys +14 and higher, because everybody heard of bugs 🙂 rlly frustrating

[jagged niche]

where do i see ranks for dps?

on my same difficulty level?

please

[jagged niche]

where do i hunjt for a better weapon pls? and gear in general

sorry for stupid questions guys, started 2 wks ago

now i dont sleep for 48 hour.

[woven slate]

Can anyone spot major issues I have on Mythic sentinel? Below is comparison with one of the top parses for the same duration (6:30) since I didnt get the kill. Only thing I can spot is far less envenoms and mutilates for me as well as the massive difference in our crit%. The damage breakdown otherwise is more or less similar, with me needing slight improvements for rupture/garrote uptime. But what causes the massive difference of nearly 1,5m DPS with similar gear?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/p3dC8Pt6j7gZ49KA?fight=32&type=damage-done&source=8&start=11387612&end=11769121
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DRjTGhz8fqk2Jmvx?fight=63&type=damage-done&start=53996734&end=54379773&source=166

[wicked carbon]

It's hard to get invites as sub as well if it's any consolation lol

[ebon prism]

That's surprising. Sub is so strong

[wicked carbon]

People just don't trust rogue

We have no bl no cr no raid buff

[ebon prism]

Yeah they only trust arcane and fdk

We have.... 3% damage reduction tho

[wicked carbon]

The cast speed reduction is legit carrying keys

Like it's huge on HoA

[hearty seal]

yeah numbing is way better than atro rn

[ebon prism]

Ohhhh

Yeah I just played with lock and the curse of tongues was massive too

[wicked carbon]

Yeah I have a lock friend the cast times become ridiculous lol

[balmy condor]

it stacks btw

[ebon prism]

[old lily]

is it still better to play DS on fights like araz and soulbinder even though the hero tree has the big bugs?

[crisp venture]

i hit resi 14 yesterday and have yet to get invited to a 15

[hearty seal]

but also
are there any notable Shroud skips this season? I don't think I ever used Shroud since S2 ended, because if anything the issue is usually getting enough % rather than having to skip anything

[crisp venture]

not really

[woven slate]

Exactly same for me. Hit it few days ago and 0 invites

[ebon prism]

I got my resi 13 today, and got a myth dagger from hard mode

[subtle tundra]

welcome to m+

[crisp venture]

i swear the only time people care about us is for hoa and wound poison on miniboss

[subtle tundra]

no invites, a lot of suffering

[woven slate]

But they do have to invite someone? So who do they invite. If posting my own key, its same or lower ilvl and same or lower .io

[hearty seal]

...is it worth using wound over deadly at that point?

like you can't even envenom without deadly, no?

[ebon prism]

Varas are u still maining sin in keys?

[balmy condor]

soulbinder yes, araz no

[crisp venture]

it does make a notable difference, it feels like

[old lily]

alright ty 🙂

[subtle tundra]

im not playing at all

[crisp venture]

they get 2 heals off

[plush wasp]

on ecodome second boss loose DS mark and make no damage literally and frost dk screaming and writing at me i should use one button bla bla. this is the actual state of assa. :)guys im nearly done

[balmy condor]

varas don't play this shit game anymore

[ebon prism]

Wahhhhh

[wicked carbon]

hunts dks mages

[ebon prism]

Omg

[balmy condor]

skill issue, you know when they're going to split and there's cleave afterwards, that's what you got darkest night and vanish for

[subtle tundra]

i would've had to play sub for dimmy !

[warm vortex]

"Not me!"

[hearty seal]

ngl I feel like DTB could be just an Assa thing like, by default
because unless you got Ampli, its not really an upgrade overall?...

[ebon prism]

I think last 2 are sub fights right?