assassination

[royal lantern]

and thats true for almost all specs

[lucid kite]

yeah i guess mist was the peak, but there were like 6 talents there

I mean if you look at all the debuffs etc you put on a target as assa for example

no wonder the spec is bugged

[hot blade]

should I be sending Netherprism with every deathmark, or just every 3 minutes with vanish deathmark? (fatebound obviously)

[royal lantern]

the amount of stuff is not what creates bugs

its the lack of testing and rushed development that is the result of their faster content release schedule

[lucid kite]

I aint a coder so can't say, but common sense tells me that it's easier to test something and see bugs if there are 10 talents and not 100?

[royal lantern]

• people REALLY overastimate how many bugs there are rn, wow was always a game that barely held togheter by ducktape and spit

WW monks SEF is bugged since the Class exists lol

[thorn thorn]

There are a couple of things that have been bugged for too long and still havent been fixed

Prime example, evoker fire breath keeps you in combat after death unlike every other dot in the game

This has existed since the class was added

And never once has it been addressed or fixed

[lucid kite]

I mean super computers get crazy fps drops in dornogal and in LFR im guessing everything is showing it's age and also blizzard ain't blizz anymore

[thorn thorn]

SEF is an ability that has more spaghetti than italy

That ability is so fucking buggy

Its a miracle it even works

[royal lantern]

its easier to test something and check for bugs when you have actually time and resources to do it

[royal lantern]

well, about the "works" part

[thorn thorn]

Also

Deathmark randomly being munched

This has existed since the TWW beta

Hasnt been fixed

[royal lantern]

"cant use Crane Kick while in SEF or your clones dont do Fist of Fury for the rest of its duration" was a bug that i will never forget

[lucid kite]

now im asking like an idiot, SEF?

[thorn thorn]

Storm, Earth and Fire

[royal lantern]

that has, once again, nothing to do with "age" or whatever "blizz aint blizz anymore" means

i sure as hell dont want the cosby crew guys back lol

[thorn thorn]

It spawns 2 clones of the monk each doing 45% of damage

[royal lantern]

its literally a lack of optimisation because they need to rush out more stuff faster and faster

[thorn thorn]

Also this kinda quote does annoy me a tad bit

[royal lantern]

thats 99% of problems in development

[mighty vine]

Classic had paladin seal twisting that they said fuck it and made a feature

[thorn thorn]

Cuz if you remove every single addon (especially weakauras) the game runs a lot better

To the surprise of nobody

[lucid kite]

read something that the engine can't use all the processing power of ur CPU etc etc, dont know much else, if it's the engines ago er just incompetence

[deep pier]

Would you guys recommend going Lily or Unyielding Netherprism for 13+ ? seems like Lily is lacking some st

[worthy rose]

How does assassination do versus a frost dk?

Is it supposed to be equal or notably worse

Debating what to run this season for pushing

Friends are forcing me to dk coz of all the utility

[thorn thorn]

Also

Terros.

Felblade and other similar abilities being literally unusable cuz they would launch you into the pit

[lucid kite]

hopefully the addon removal fuckery will turn out for the best so we don't need weakauras and 30 addons to play a game

[royal lantern]

thats something that often gets waved aside

mfs have like 400 Weakauras and UI addons running and complain about performance

like, every addon WILL tank your performance a bit, if you have performance problems you should look at your addon stuff first and maybe delete some of those 6 year old WA's you have still running

yes, performance in the game got worse since DF and more so in TWW

but man, players are often a bit weird about stuff

[worthy rose]

You truly need a fat fuckin cpu and a lot of ram to run a fleet of addons and wa’s

Wow being highly single core biased too

You need a fat ryzen or a good intel

[thorn thorn]

you dont realize how taxing WA is until you play a bit without it

[lucid kite]

you would think if you have the best CPU money can buy it should be able to run WoW, and WoW is single core based and that aint helping i would guess?

[worthy rose]

Yeah

You can have the best cou in the market like a ryzen 9 or whatever fuck intel is calling their shit these days

But its single core dependent so it’s all ass anyway

Nothing but cheeks and ass

[lucid kite]

people with ryzen 7x3d and 9x3d still aint getting smooth fps in dornogal when flying etc

[worthy rose]

On the bright side 1440 and 4k performance won’t be too different

Coz you’re bottlenecked by your cpu

1080 might be better for performance

[lucid kite]

which is kind of amazing in its own right

[worthy rose]

Can’t blame blizz too much

[pallid geyser]

Sorry, I haven't played since season 1. Is the bubbling wax worth it?

[worthy rose]

Theyr just a small indie company

[worthy rose]

What is bubbling wax?

The fact I don’t know probably means no

[pallid geyser]

XD

https://www.wowhead.com/item=220156/bubbling-wax

[worthy rose]

Think this season you want a seaforium trinket and lily trinket if you’re talking trinkets

[lucid kite]

I remember now, the same company that made belatro

[oblique flare]

If you don't want to waste money on stones or oil, it's like 0.5 to 0.8% dps in a key

Applying two wax does nothing

[worthy rose]

I pushed up to 3300 mythic score last season as a rogue without knowing what wax was so probably not important

Granted 3300 isn’t that high anyway

[oblique flare]

Wax is whatever

[worthy rose]

Or just reroll a frost dk this season and top every dps chart

[royal lantern]

its the worst "weapon oil"

[worthy rose]

Does it override ironclaw whetstone?

[royal lantern]

yes?

[oblique flare]

Yes

[worthy rose]

Prob not worth doing then since iron claws are fairly cheap

[pallid geyser]

so, oil is the best option? i can use wax for low keys or worthless content

[royal lantern]

Oil is the best this patch, yes

[worthy rose]

For low keys prob not worth using anything

Why waste consumables on keys below 10

[oblique flare]

Wax is free

[pallid geyser]

wax is free

[main bridge]

it's not free in the sense that you have to go farm it

[worthy rose]

Yeah your time is valuable

[main bridge]

i'd rather buy consumables from the AH

[pallid geyser]

i have few stacks from season 1

[worthy rose]

A man of culture right here

[oblique flare]

Just do it during downtime when applying to keys as a dps

[worthy rose]

There’s better uses of your time like farming for the trench coat

[main bridge]

i don't apply to keys tho

[royal lantern]

thats when i fly circles in the hub town

or do worldquests

or shitpost in RH

[zenith coral]

does consuming dn or anything give energy refund? ive noticed in some ST fights, ill randomly get a decent amount of energy back not sure how tho

w no funnel adds

[oblique flare]

Fairs.
I still got some from S1 as well, not much use nowadays anyway

[haughty flicker]

you do indeed get back energy from mark

like 40 or something

[zenith coral]

interesting, ty

[tepid meadow]

are you gamers running fb or ds on h forge?

[haughty flicker]

sub

[main bridge]

wowhead has suggestions for spec on each fight

[haughty flicker]

[royal lantern]

assa

[tepid meadow]

i know but i havent figured out why it recommends ds yet

[main bridge]

because some fights have adds

[tepid meadow]

no shit then why do you play fb on soulbinder

[main bridge]

bro is ripping the "no shit" while asking the most obvious questions

incredible

[tepid meadow]

bro could be helpful but instead chose to be insufferable

[main bridge]

i answered your question and instead of politely asking for clarification you were rude

[humble verge]

youre in the rogue discord

wdym

[haughty flicker]

yeah dumbass what did you expect

[runic hinge]

[main bridge]

[runic hinge]

Stop rage baiting me

[shy heron]

[hollow river]

Answering questions is being insufferable?

[main bridge]

they didn't answer my question in the way i wanted

[runic hinge]

Asking questions and answering them are both insufferable

[tepid meadow]

pretty much

[runic hinge]

We shouldn’t speak

[main bridge]

my bad i should have read their mind

[patent schooner]

Yo boys i just got hero pacemaker. I got hero ara kara sacbrood, prism and pacemaker. I simmed it a few times but im really not sure what is better

idk what is best scenario to sim to test this stuff

[runic hinge]

What did the sim say

[humble verge]

prism

prism

prism

[main bridge]

the scenario you want to use it, like raid or dungeons

[patent schooner]

said use ara and pacemaker. But idk i feel thats giga wrong

[runic hinge]

Patch work for single and Dslice for dungeons

[humble verge]

ara not dogshit but

prism is better

pacemaker is alright

you want antenna tho

[patent schooner]

ty ill try this now

[humble verge]

basically you just want raid trinkets tbh

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/asuka-langley-gif-18210748398033775530

[humble verge]

:(

good one

nice embed

nvm

[main bridge]

haha you thought

[patent schooner]

yeah thats all i got right now and im not sure if i should give the pacemaker to my friend or i take it and use it over ara kara

[humble verge]

(this is my frontal audio alert sound)

[main bridge]

that's a good one

[humble verge]

this is my lingering darkness

and i still need to fix my step

which is supposed to be

maybe i should make this an audio alert every time i get flip heads

[kindred oriole]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[thorn thorn]

How DARE you make me see this

[haughty flicker]

Blarf

[runic hinge]

Look I don’t know these fights well enough to tell but maybe soulbinder has shit adds that die quick outside cds and forge has adds that take longer to die/ overlap your cds where FB would suffer more so you play DS instead and fb where you can do more ST. Hope this helps and you kill lots of bosses

[shadow gyro]

hey guys, i've never reforged a weapon before, got an everforged stabber ilvl 675 that i wanna recraft to max level. all i need now is to buy a enchanted gilded ethereal crest, right ? also, where can i get the gilded augmentation matrix thing?

[red schooner]

the last bit is only available when turbo week happens

[thorn thorn]

Cuz playing DS on soulbinder is about as enjoyable as trying to shave your privates with nothing but a pair of rusty tweezers

Oh wait disregard

[shadow gyro]

ah ok cool!

[thorn thorn]

Im thinking of the wrong one

[red schooner]

Its great on soulbinder, your 2 minutes line up with the big add ph- okay never mind.

Araz its a pain, yeah

[thorn thorn]

I thought they meant araz

For some reason I keep getting soulbinder and araz confused

Being dumb is painful

[red schooner]

You learn to live with it

[royal lantern]

if aoe lines up with my CD's, im playing effective

if aoe doesnt line up with my CD's, im doing ethical boss dmg only instead of dirty padding

[nova kelp]

I swear I'm never going to listen to peeps who use the word padding in this new zoomer sense

[thorn thorn]

The future is now grandpa/grandma

[nova kelp]

"those filthy warriors PADdInG on rashanan adds"
"but... if they didn't kill the adds, we would lose"
"IDC THEY PADDDDDDDIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNGGGGGG"

[haughty flicker]

sounds like something a filthy padder would say

[tepid meadow]

yeah i actually forgot how fast sb adds die compared to forge

[mint urchin]

We now call it ethical funnel damage

[thorn thorn]

Only a padder complains when someone else is padding

[haughty flicker]

real

the more they pad the less i can pad

[nova kelp]

and yet, we had the rashanan add damage REMOVED from logs when warriors were strong, soon as they got nerfed, omg... we added it back...

lol

[mint urchin]

Were you a warrior?

[shadow gyro]

why is it only showing ilvl 707? how do i get it to 720 like i've seen some people have?

[nova kelp]

fuck no

[haughty flicker]

it sounds like it

[nova kelp]

filthy padderrs

[mint urchin]

You sound upset with Rash

[haughty flicker]

im upset with rash too

[red schooner]

Make sure its crafted at rank 5.

[haughty flicker]

fucking caustic spatter never reaching the adds

shit boss

[royal lantern]

because the showed item is at rank1, 720 is rank5

[nova kelp]

but nah, I do honestly take issue with the way peeps use padding now, imo if the add has to die, it's not padding, it's necessary

[shadow gyro]

ahh thank you so much! 🙂

[haughty flicker]

it depends

because like

[thorn thorn]

Ethical funnel

Which is also pad

[haughty flicker]

the adds do need to die, but if you're overindexing on add damage when they wouldve died anyway

a bit cursed

[mint urchin]

No no, it's ethical

[thorn thorn]

Oh true true

[haughty flicker]

then theres shit like first boss darkflame

[balmy path]

For example, a pull with 18 adds, how many adds should I use garrote/rupture
Does anyone know?

[thorn thorn]

Ethical funnel

[mint urchin]

We are doing it because we have too

[haughty flicker]

[mint urchin]

Not by choice

[red schooner]

I'm overgoing on adds so that other dps can go harder on single target, ergo helping the boss die quicker overall

Ethical

[haughty flicker]

never ask a ret paladin which finisher they pressed on darkflame first boss

[thorn thorn]

Lots of ethical funnel on that boss idk what you talking about

[serene cairn]

newbie assa question: is indiscriminate charge "smart"? like, if i keep garroting the same target, will it prioritize spreading it to targets that don't have garrote?

[red schooner]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[mint urchin]

That would require them to know their gcds and not just slam their face on the keyboard

[thorn thorn]

Templars storm

[royal lantern]

i mean, it HEAVY depeends on he adds

you dont wanna put dots on stuff that dies in 10seconds after pull anyway

general rule is getting 5ruptures out->do dmg with spatter and Crimson Tempest as they are the abiltys that actually do dmg in aoe

[mint urchin]

So just afk in low keys

[balmy path]

I always put rupture on 5 targets to get the 20% agility and I keep using garrote as a combo point generator while carnage is active

[balmy path]

a ok

[haughty flicker]

pretty much

[thorn thorn]

no no no

Its SD damage

Ethical funnel

[mint urchin]

Ohhhh true

Man we are such an ethical spec

[balmy path]

Does anyone have any nameplates that are good for seeing bleeds and dots etc...

[normal mist]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[normal mist]

^

[oblique rapids]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[winter glade]

What are the best trinkets for running M+? Is it Lily and Seaforium?

[nova kelp]

prism

prism is cracked in keys

[sonic lodge]

i like to understand what i play

[frozen glacier]

me when im playing fatebound and my kingsbane comes off cooldown 15 seconds after i use it

[main bridge]

understanding and copying the wowhead build are not mutually exclusive

[sonic lodge]

I've both found numbing and atrophic poisons good in this m+ rotation, which on your opinion is better?

[nova kelp]

depends

[sonic lodge]

never said that, i copied it but then i tried to understand if recuperator worked because i had no trace of it

[frozen glacier]

i only use numbing at the start of gambit for the murlocs that run away

[nova kelp]

how does numbing help with murlocs running away?

[frozen glacier]

err wait crippling

[sonic lodge]

that one ain't the crippling?

[frozen glacier]

thought he was talking about crippling

[sonic lodge]

nah i would like to get where to use one and where the other

both have their utilites after all

[nova kelp]

your utility poisons are exactly that, utility, you use the one you need for when you need that utility

[main bridge]

that seems like a problem with not reading or understanding the build you copied

[nova kelp]

personally, I'm not sure I'd use crippling at the start of gambit

as there's also a FUCK TON of mobs and a lot of casts

so both atrophic and numbing would be good there

which depends on group make up

and player skill I guess too

if noone misses a kick

y'know

[mint urchin]

Gambit can go either way but I def run crippling for first part of halls

[nova kelp]

I'd say the same thing there, maybe crippling if the key is low?

[sonic lodge]

i read the talent and tried to have a trace of it's effectiveness since no icon popper up that i could trace or something like that, i am not the best player out there so I wanted a confirmation about what i tought

[nova kelp]

but aint no way I'm going without atro or numbing there commonly

[mint urchin]

The runners pulling gargs can wipe any key level

[nova kelp]

so can someone dying

you can stun a runner

you can stop them

push them

often groups have access to slows

[mint urchin]

Mind is only like 10? 15? On like a 1sec cast

[nova kelp]

not often groups have access to atro if you dont' run it

[mint urchin]

I find it more valuable to run crip and change after first boss

[zenith coral]

st are you trying to conserve teas or stay above a certain energy? or just send and starve

[nova kelp]

no

macro it to shiv

forget it exists

/end

[zenith coral]

and just rotation

kk

ty

[sonic lodge]

on your opinion in which keys should be used the numbing and in which the atro

i can go out of an idea

but i like second opinions

[frozen glacier]

yeah send and starve in single target it sucks but you get used to it

[sonic lodge]

ah the old feeling of watching the boss slowly dying to others dmg

[marble bear]

Is the damage difference between Fatebound bleed and deathstalkr bleed in M+ huge?

[manic quartz]

yes

[marble bear]

like more than 5?

5%?*

[frozen glacier]

yes

[manic quartz]

atleast gorillion

[mint urchin]

FB in keys is just trolling

[frozen glacier]

fatebound loses damage when theres more than 1 mob around you

[nova kelp]

typically the default is atro as keys start to get up in number - you'd only really switch to numbing if the group make up calls for it. Maybe if idk there's a million casts going off that you need that extra second on etc

it does slow attack speed as well

but there's also a lot of access to that too

especially with frost dks fuckingn everywhere

[runic hinge]

I think it’s like 20% difference

It was something like 25% between bleed and fatebound hybrid last time I simmed it and bleed is a bit ahead of hybrid DS in sims so might be closer to 30

It was like 5% better in Patchwerk tho!

[sonic lodge]

going back to atro then, ty!

[manic quartz]

i love fatebound st, just wish for fast 4p bug fix, gets annoying after a while having your cd's being all over.

[mint urchin]

It's also the prio dmg profile of DS

[nova kelp]

the fb 4p bug is weird...
like TECHNICALLY its a good thing

but it's not

coz it makes your brain go to pudding

[runic hinge]

You would think having more cds is better but if everything is desynced it’s not great

[sonic lodge]

the desync it causes hurts my brain

[nova kelp]

you can get the double up during execute though

[sonic lodge]

a ton

[balmy condor]

It’s funny when it bugs cause you realize Kingsbane is >50% uptime

[frozen glacier]

me when i first saw the bug wondering why my cold blood was 10 seconds behind kingsbane

[runic hinge]

Imagine if FB instead of self nerfing did 30% more coin damage to your main target!

[marble bear]

Question: How come with FoK in ST?

[mint urchin]

I'm not sure it would be worth it even then, singular focus is huge on some of those big pulls like first pull in PSF or Ara

[sonic lodge]

well, gotta go back to farm my second dagger TwT

[marble bear]

for deathstalker

[nova kelp]

what we farming a second dagger for?

[sonic lodge]

i have a 720 and a 684

[mint urchin]

Clear the Witness

[marble bear]

oh ok

[nova kelp]

fair and valid, probably not as big of an impact as it FEELS though

[runic hinge]

What if singular focus was bugged!

[mint urchin]

If it was I think everyone would be switching to Sub... Oh... Wait a minute...

[sonic lodge]

from the overall bis list i miss:
trinkets but i got both m+ bests
the non crafted dagger
the neck
a ring (still jastor on)

so i am farming streets and dawn like a madman and never dropped those

[sonic lodge]

so yeah, now I HAVE to drop that

[mint urchin]

That sounds like a lot of work for an off hand that will add tiny benefit

[sonic lodge]

it is

yet

[spice surge]

People swapping to sub "because assa is too buggy" is just too funny

[haughty flicker]

its very good

this is the funniest timeline for sure

[sonic lodge]

nah jk, gotta drop neck and ring first

[mint urchin]

The bugs they don't know can't hurt them!

[runic hinge]

Yeah sub has more bugs than assa

[sonic lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-cat-gif-26041269

sub feels likes :

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/my-sweet-summer-child-sweet-summer-child-game-of-thrones-gif-19977020

they are so innocent

[sonic lodge]

tbh i'm sad and would like to play outlaw again

but keep it rolling really hurts my comprehension of mathematic and statistic

[mint urchin]

Outlaw is unethical padding

[sonic lodge]

wdym?

[sonic lodge]

i'm genuinely asking cuz i'm italian and sometimes I don't get slangs and such 🥲

[mint urchin]

It is a joke from earlier about dmg profiles

[livid dagger]

Didn’t see the answer in a quick search and hoping someone has an answer other than “sim yourself” if possible

Was thinking of sending my next craft on 720 boots

Currently have the champion version of the Interloper boots but gotta imagine the stats and ilvl on the crafted would be better

Is this true? Or the 30% extra that good ?

Would that be true if they were hero version as well?

When checking cloak dmg with the boots vs ppl that don’t have them it doesn’t seem to be all too diff

[haughty flicker]

well i definitely would not be crafting boots this season thats for sure

[livid dagger]

Definitely “more” procs but actual dmg of the cloak is similar

[haughty flicker]

unfortunately despite your first sentence the best answer absolutely is to sim yourself, because thats literally the type of question sims exist to answer

but also dont craft boots

[balmy condor]

I gotta start making videos for all 3 specs I guess

[haughty flicker]

[fast hill]

question for folks. I notice I can have both dealthstakers mark AND Darkest night active at the same time, and if they are my finishers dont consume any marks until I do a full combo point env to get rid of darkest night.

Is that a bug, something intention?

[haughty flicker]

whispyr rogue bug docudrama

5 hour special going over all 3 specs

[balmy condor]

That’s a bug

[sonic lodge]

i simmed veteran boots over any hero and well, works fine for me

[livid dagger]

/shrug , I’m thinking reality of the stats on 720 vs champ too

More stam more agi more everything for keys which is more of a focus for my rogue

[fast hill]

so I just have to bite the bullet and do the full combo finisher, or does it provide the benefits even with both active?

[haughty flicker]

the reality is you can craft on literally any other slot that doesnt have a bis cantrip

but again sims will quite literally tell you which craft will give you the most damage

[balmy condor]

You get full benefits, and you want to open packs in m+ with ambush to have the mark up

[spice surge]

I wouldnt really call it bite the bullet to use a buff that makes you envenom hit like a truck

[balmy condor]

Assa rogue Bible the sequel

[fast hill]

sounds good, thanks!

[balmy condor]

But he’s also what eleem said

You want to consume darkest night as a higher priority than crimson tempest and stuff

So you’re still getting big stuff

[sonic lodge]

sadly i have to say like bel that simming yourself suits the situation best, but i honestly found the lfr one (20%) being more useful than hero boots

[balmy condor]

Yah

Soul Hunter boots are insanely bis

[haughty flicker]

why is it sad to agree with me wtf

[sonic lodge]

because the answer is "sim yourself"

and he wanted a different answer

[sonic lodge]

pat pat

didn't mean any offense TwT

[haughty flicker]

i cri

[runic hinge]

I also simmed lfr boots and they were better than hero boots by a full % today so I don’t think crafting is the answer unless you’re literally never stepping in raid

[livid dagger]

I assumed that was the answer I’d get was just hoping for a real answer about the proc , maybe it’s just feels craft but after doing keys I always check the cloak dmg vs other ppl in the group without boots and it really doesn’t change much

[sonic lodge]

the dmg is always the same

[livid dagger]

My “30% extra proc” isn’t really 30% more dmg by any means

[sonic lodge]

because 30% is not dmg

is the chance to have it go

[livid dagger]

I’ll get 30% more procs

But the overall dmg

Is still the same as someone else without boots

Or not far off

So I was just hoping someone knew if the raw stats were better

[novel elbow]

so my group just got to Nexus King. Wowhead says Fatebound, but getting to that platform seems like there would be some juicy cleaving happening... Deathstalker instead? or leave that job to the others?

[sonic lodge]

still, even considering that, those boots are insanely good

[haughty flicker]

fatebound lets you have cds for both the platform and the damage amp

so it just lines up very well for that fight

[sonic lodge]

i simmed the veteran ones and just outranked like 4 different boots

[livid dagger]

🙁

It’s boots propaganda I tell you

Pushed by big boots to sell more boots

[balmy condor]

The cloak is insanely rng

[thorn thorn]

Generally item with free effect will be > item without free effect, especially if it doesnt cut into the stat budget

[haughty flicker]

we love booties

[balmy condor]

You can’t really compare

[sonic lodge]

the point it

if in a key you get 10 procs on low mobs

[thorn thorn]

love booties

[sonic lodge]

that pumps its dmg a lot

[balmy condor]

Like what if you’re comparing to an arcane mage and those fucks have 20% vers and you don’t

Or what if your cloak procced in single target

And theirs procced in aoe

You just can’t control it

[livid dagger]

Ig I just compare with my key group a lot at the end so it’s not a small set of trial I had with it

[balmy condor]

The boots are definitely good, but just doing run to run comparisons is simply impossible

It’s not about who you’re playing with consistently

[livid dagger]

The “extra” proc dmg just didn’t seem big enough to not make 720 boots over champ

[balmy condor]

It’s about the raw AMOUNT of runs

There’s too much variance

You would have to track everyone’s procs and damage over literally hundreds of keys

[sonic lodge]

i had a run with like 20 procs on low mobs and my cloak doubled everyone elses

[balmy condor]

That’s why we sim

In order to get within like 0.5% accuracy, sims need to do 1000-1500 fights

[runic hinge]

What do champ boots max out at

[balmy condor]

A “regular” sim gets within 0.05% accuracy with 25-35k fights

Like people don’t realize how much data you need

[livid dagger]

Ig im just hopeful and not getting the answer i was hoping for lol

I hate the boot propaganda !

I wanted big stats not more procs >:|

But fine fine

Ty to anyone that tried to answer

[runic hinge]

I want more procs. We are not the same

[balmy condor]

I want gear to not be boring as shit

[runic hinge]

I love rng

[balmy condor]

But we’re stuck with secondaries

So

Versatility in 4 different flavors wahoo!

[runic hinge]

Yum

[haughty flicker]

bring back hit

[livid dagger]

Aight so what are people sending 3rd craft on then

[thorn thorn]

I actually like the cloak

[livid dagger]

Bracers seem low stats. Maybe ring ?

[thorn thorn]

The effect is neat

[haughty flicker]

were bracers not your second craft

[livid dagger]

Belt

Bigger stats

[haughty flicker]

[runic hinge]

Delve belt is equal to like 714 piece

[thorn thorn]

Delve belt?

[livid dagger]

F delves

[thorn thorn]

[stable sinew]

So you just want to see big ilvl

[runic hinge]

Brother you can do it on level 1 lol

[livid dagger]

I hop on the rogue for some keys

[thorn thorn]

It takes like

30 minutes to max it

[livid dagger]

Quests and delves stiinnkkkk

[runic hinge]

Oh okay we a mini gamer fr

[haughty flicker]

based tbh

[runic hinge]

Nah

I like playing an rpg not just a dungeon crawler

[thorn thorn]

I will stop being a minigamer when the raids both dont suck ass and dont make my PC heat up to the temp of a reactor trying to play them

[haughty flicker]

thats just chat

making your laptop heat up

[runic hinge]

God damn chat

[honest oxide]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[thorn thorn]

Actually

I lie

My fellow minigamers gonna make me quit first

Biggest population of delusional gamers i have ever seen tbh

[livid dagger]

I just hate doing delves and every other quest or weekly is like “go do delves” 😠

Ik they don’t take long I just don’t enjoy them lol

[jade wadi]

can anyone explain why a 671 jastor simms higher than a 704 ring. beyond confusing to me

[spice perch]

been asking myself the same question

utilize droptimizer

see what would sim better

then hard focus

for me its ecodome aldani at 701 is like 0.5% upgrade

[main bridge]

when it's not bugged it's pretty good, but it is, so sims are not reflecting how it actually performs. this is in the pins

[spice perch]

never spend anytime in this cord so i havent check pings, thank you for the heads up, replacing now

right before raid, absolute legend

[jade wadi]

thanks for the info!

[little tulip]

fatebound caustic spatter on soulhunters?

question mark ?_?

[normal mist]

M+ build

go brrr

[little tulip]

but ima lose my deathstalekrs mark

also lol tho

[normal mist]

There are 3 targets

you have 2 vanish charges

the meta rotation is always the same

[nova oxide]

Use caustic splatter instead of the bleed thing.

[static glacier]

evening fellow sin mains

[normal mist]

its 3:20am

[static glacier]

I slept at 9:30

up at 3:20 - prime rogue activity time

stretches and some calisthenics

[cedar flicker]

Is this normal that my sim find signet better than lilly ?

[static glacier]

you simming deathstalker?

[cedar flicker]

Yes, Bleed build

[static glacier]

consider the trinket cd and dm cd

ds is 2min

lily is a fatebound trink

[cedar flicker]

I see, thank you

[polar rampart]

would assa be more competitive in m+ if the bugs were fixed?

[normal mist]

more?

We are topping meter bugged

[polar rampart]

dont ppl want sub now? :p

[normal mist]

Just to get there and face the bugs sub has lol

Both specs are bugged

[kindred oriole]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[worthy rose]

Does assassination best frost dk?

[normal mist]

Idk, can't remember the last time I played with a fdk in my party

[main bridge]

i think that would depend both on skill level and party composition

[minor finch]

Don’t worry rogue your just broken for a wee bit longer

[cursive finch]

we thinking momentum or follow the blood?

[normal mist]

One bugs out after you shiv

The other doesn't

[cursive finch]

erm

and which is that lol

[normal mist]

#assassination message

Pins

[dapper cradle]

Wtf is going on here twin

[cursive finch]

HAHAHAH

it's just a troll

set up long ago for the meme

HAHAHAHAH

[dapper cradle]

[cursive finch]

ur the first to ever notice

lloolol

[coral ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1172832306793287730/1411172562150490112/image.png?ex=68b3b05d&is=68b25edd&hm=ef9be0d7fc3560aed4c007934fde5153378cd84470467b18f533739d7a73b214&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=368&height=118

setting up an alt raid

[haughty flicker]

link ur mom

[thorn thorn]

Evoker player

[icy geyser]

when does mutilate turn into ambush, if not stealth or if you not vanish?

[coral ibex]

blindside proc

[toxic gull]

Just started having this happen tonight in keys. It was consistently desyncing itself by 15s from both Ritual Forge and Mag'har racial even after letting them resync. As soon as I relogged it stopped happening.

[balmy condor]

is it the cooldown affix

this week

[coral ibex]

are you doing low enough keys to get the cdr affix

[balmy condor]

from xalatoes

[toxic gull]

Ohhhh, that makes sense. I also went up out of the weekly 10s after the relog.

[quiet oriole]

Ive been mostly doing m+ and getting back into raiding. Anyone able to analyze my log and tell me how stupid I am. I think i messed up a few shivs at 8sec left on kb but wondering other shit. I spend envenom and rupture at 5+ always?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ATdw1gyRk6bnrWxL?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=13

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ATdw1gyRk6bnrWxL?fight=12&type=damage-done&source=13

[dense cedar]

@quiet oriole since wcl doesn't show it properly, what belt power are you using

also, regardless of your dps, you should run atrophic in raids

oh

you don't have crippling poison on

that's 2% damage missing from Lethal Dose

[quiet oriole]

I just replaced my belt btw. Oh shit I need crippling poison?

Oh FF

I forgot about Lethal dose

[dense cedar]

you replaced with disc, or replaced the disc?

[quiet oriole]

I just upgraded belt to not have the delv one

Sim said it was better

[dense cedar]

what was the power before?

[quiet oriole]

Its mast one

[dense cedar]

check it again against the crit power

is better than mastery for a lot of people

might be the same for your gear

[quiet oriole]

So re sim with the crit delv belt. I guess the Sim would only do the mastery one

[dense cedar]

you can choose the power, by clicking the + on the belt

in top gear

and sim seperate version of the belt together

but yeah missing 2% on lethal dose the entire fight isn't gonna help your damage

[quiet oriole]

Yeah that would help

Anything rotational wack?

[dense cedar]

you gotta do 2 envenom finishers back to back after cold blood

[quiet oriole]

Just double checking. You always spend at 5+ cp right?

[dense cedar]

you lose the edge case coin flips by rupturing

ye 5+

[harsh anchor]

any late night kissers

[quiet oriole]

Oh shit kk

[dense cedar]

@quiet oriole you should also keep vanish for the DM window if the fight time allows it

[quiet oriole]

I think rupture was starting falling off so I would just risk it and send the 2nd evenom?

[dense cedar]

yes

rupture being down for like 2/3 seconds is better than breaking you edge case flips

[quiet oriole]

Ok so hold vanish with dm

@dense cedar very much appreciated! I will let yeah know after next raid night how much it helped!

[balmy condor]

you would rather envenom and let the rupture fall off

(this is also true with deathstalker darkest night)

[real granite]

does atrophic/mind numbing also counts towards lethal dose? i did just see the other day casual wearin crippling in ara and was wondering why, i could understand for the first boss, but he weared it the whole dung

[balmy condor]

yes

it does

[real granite]

oh, so i guess he was just lazy to change or forgot, theres no other reason?

[waxen oyster]

if hes bleed he has no 4 poisons

[real granite]

but he has atrophic

[waxen oyster]

prob slow strat

or lazy

to run it over atro

[ebon prism]

!MD

!trix

[runic hinge]

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[ebon prism]

ty tony!

[runic hinge]

You’re welcome bestie

[ebon prism]

BESTIE!

on first pull flood, the grouping is pretty quick. how many ruptures should i aim to get out?

just 6 and then more garrotes as possible?

[keen spruce]

at least 5

[static glacier]

depending on how your tank groups anywhere from 5-11 is reasonable

[keen spruce]

is kind of just the general rule

if adding more ruptures will mean that everything is gonna die before your CDs finish

[static glacier]

normally I avoid going over 9

[keen spruce]

then don't add more ruptures

[static glacier]

unless a key target isn't dotted

[keen spruce]

@runic hinge isaw u typing

speak with your chest king

[runic hinge]

I was trying to move in wow and was still clicked in discord

[keen spruce]

[pure silo]

are rogue bugs fixed yet

[keen spruce]

pins

[coral hearth]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
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Devlin's Group
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Whispyr's Plater

[runic hinge]

!UP

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[true rapids]

if theres llorgs with a kb at 0:08 and 0:38 they got the bugged tier set ya?

[static glacier]

yes

[sacred ibex]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[ebon prism]

oh.... on ST i cast crimson tempest too? or is it only for something else?

[balmy condor]

with a bleed build, yes

[ebon prism]

yeah the last time i played sin was with the hybrid build i think with kingsbane maybe... and we'd never cast CT for ST.

can you explain what in the bleed build makes CT in ST so good? does it have a multiplier for how many bleeds u have on the target? or deathmark doubles it?

[golden loom]

You arent running amp poison/etc so envenom loses value

To the point where CT is good enough to press

[balmy condor]

yeh

no amp poison, no poison bomb

no twist the knife

no dashing scoundrel

bleed build just takes the entire bite out of envenom

[ebon prism]

ahhh i see. is CT just a bleed, no other hidden interactions where it empowers garrote and rupture or something?

[balmy condor]

correct

[ebon prism]

ty!

[dense cedar]

CT is fun on fights where adds show up for a moment

like in HoA and eco dome

[golden loom]

Also during orb affix weeks

[buoyant herald]

well it does get buffed by the capstone as well but otherwise no

[icy shoal]

Hello guys you can tell me if my stats is good or not https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/fr-fr/character/eu/hyjal/nöpants/

[small cairn]

how does the hybrid build feel in m+?

[ebon prism]

there's only one M+ build and it's bleed

[warm vortex]

Kid named crab build:

[ebon prism]

does CT give more energy too or something when it ticks?

[zinc frost]

Yep those are definitely some stats

[balmy condor]

No

[coral jasper]

Is there any crit cap we want as fatebound in raid?

[balmy condor]

No

[small cairn]

but the damage in st is just unrealistically small

[coral jasper]

Or its whatever we can get?

[balmy condor]

Hybrid is worse :3

[small cairn]

Fb too?

[balmy condor]

We’re talking keys right?

Or did I miss something

[lyric gate]

bro im feeling as balast

on single target

with bleed build

xd

[balmy condor]

yeah

[lyric gate]

had to fight the warriuor tank in 15 key

[balmy condor]

but you literally solo mob packs

so

?

you're not in the key for boss damage

[lyric gate]

only reason why im in that key is because its my own

xd

[glossy grove]

I have the same problem in similar key level, but we only choke in pure St, if theres atleast 1-2 mobs in it, you have as much as the others on Boss because of more energy

[lyric gate]

y its fine with funnel

but db as example

[glossy grove]

So, if we dont deal enough dmg, there are no enough mobs pulling into boss

[lyric gate]

there are fights where you cant add funnel

[glossy grove]

yea

[lyric gate]

priory

sec boss

[glossy grove]

This are the fights, we cry

[balmy condor]

you do insano damage for the other 80% of the dungeon

you'll survive

[glossy grove]

I mean, you have dmg every pack you can stealth/vanish

so it doesn't matter, the overall is fine

[lyric gate]

y its fine

[glossy grove]

just take 1 boss killer, i pref mages

for me the best comp atm is, arcane mage, frost dk as dps partner

[lyric gate]

tripple rogue

or go home

[glossy grove]

😄

Never had another rogue in my keys, I don'T really know if im performing wel lol

[lyric gate]

every rogue hates other rogues

in game

is what it is

only on this discord we are friends

[glossy grove]

XD

[lyric gate]

zeross played last season some cleave build with double shiv and kingsbane is that shit not viable anymore

ah i think it doesnt have this multi shiv

[glossy grove]

can you send me your m+ logs?

i wanna check how well you're performing with overall dps

[lyric gate]

im not loggin my self

and the only keys that are logged from me are 10s

sadge

[glossy grove]

ah

okay

[lyric gate]

had like 8.5 ooverall in ara 14

with full wipe

and the tank literally chain pulled the whole dungeon

[glossy grove]

i did ara kara yesterday also on 14, but i had like 7,6?

send me your character, wanna check your eq 🙂

[lyric gate]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/perenolde/Churki

[balmy condor]

I mean, is it viable? probably

is it good? nah

[lyric gate]

y might be prolly better if i fit some arcane mage in my keys

i always have 3 turbo padders

me included

[balmy condor]

just play sub in streets I guess

[lyric gate]

fatebound also works

raid specc with caustic

[balmy condor]

I just threw up a little

reading that

[lyric gate]

🙁

[runic hinge]

I am playing fatebound hybrid

[lyric gate]

actaully slaps

with agi spymaster

[balmy condor]

hybrid in streets is kinda okay

but going in with a raid spec

sounds like actual hell

[lyric gate]

well it still peaks 20 mill

cleave

on the few big pulls

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah

[lyric gate]

im glad they removed this 1 wave adds

from the musical boss

[balmy condor]

you peak 20 mil for your 6 coin flips

and then you drop off a mountain

W

[subtle tundra]

how high does ds peak

[lyric gate]

dunno highest i had after nerfs was like 36 mill

giga pull on momma

[balmy condor]

why are we even concerned about peak

[subtle tundra]

im so glad i dont play

[lyric gate]

hunter yday did 52 mill in attonement

sending his pets in

[subtle tundra]

for entertainment?

[balmy condor]

yeah but like

who's staring at their details meter like a hawk

[night vessel]

so they benched me for forgeweaver mythic. totally right decision

[balmy condor]

looking for the microsecond

[lyric gate]

me

[subtle tundra]

LOL

[balmy condor]

that's deranged

[subtle tundra]

like 3/4ths of the playerbase

buddy

[lyric gate]

same bro

also got benched on loomithar on my old guild because the intern clan of british ppl were crying about the antenna sim

[night vessel]

i am not even mad bro. deal with this shit on your own like

[balmy condor]

[lyric gate]

my details is 80>% of my screen

cant miss it

how is fatebound hybrid performing

@runic hinge

[subtle tundra]

stop talking about fb m+

youre ill

[balmy condor]

significantly worse

[lyric gate]

i remember when someone bring fatebound up last tier

[balmy condor]

I made charrend run it on PTR for science and 40 min later he told me to kms

[lyric gate]

xd

[runic hinge]

I’ll let you know when I actually run a key but I know it’s bad. I can run it in tens and time them so

[lyric gate]

droptimizer really wants me to get like 6k haste

that shit is bait

[balmy condor]

why would it be bait

[lyric gate]

dunno i can feel no difference between 2% and 25% haste

[balmy condor]

didn't you just complain about your st

haste helps more in st than it does in aoe

[lyric gate]

do you use ct on single

[runic hinge]

Yes

[lyric gate]

but it does like 3%

on pure single

i mean im doing it also

but i was thinking if its even worth

well y

[runic hinge]

Lethal dose stack

Does damage. Keeps me on my toes

[lyric gate]

well if i see the sim dps on single it is what is is

not like varas

[grim jay]

how high the % are on that one doesnt even matter

[lyric gate]

peaking 600 rio

[grim jay]

as long as 1 use of crimson > 1 use of envenom

you use crimson

[lyric gate]

i just keep it up

so y thats bascially the prio i follow

[jagged niche]

how do i remove the defensives from the whispyr WA?

[subtle tundra]

???/

f u

[lyric gate]

❤️

[dense cedar]

Just delete the individual weakauras from the pack

[glossy grove]

what's the crit stat we try to have for m+?

any softcaps?

[subtle tundra]

100

[glossy grove]

😄

im at 32% crit, 4haste, 74%mastery (with flask), 14% vers

i dunno if i can optimize, my sims telling me mastery is simming the most

but dunno

[subtle tundra]

fuck you mean you dunno

the sims told you

you literally know

[subtle tundra]

also, did you run STAT WEIGHT?

[glossy grove]

y

i dunno how to optimize

my gear

[subtle tundra]

youre dumb then

stop running stat weight

run droptimizer, run top gear

thats all you need to know

[glossy grove]

okay

[subtle tundra]

you dont need to know that 10 points of haste is 3 dps more than 10 points of versa

you dont care

[glossy grove]

Good point tho

[subtle tundra]

you need to know that that 1 piece of gear is an upgrade

and you should get it if possible

[lyric gate]

just get more crit until you are at 100

solved

and then get crit multi

what are you playing varas

instead of wow

[subtle tundra]

idk i got back home yesterday from vacation

rn im playing bored at home

[glossy grove]

is the netherprism simming correctly?, got it on 710, but the priory sigil is simming like 1,7m dps overall more lol

[lyric gate]

you dont even enjoy raiding ?

well i think your guild requires giga sweat for prog i think

[subtle tundra]

dunno shit about current trinkets

[subtle tundra]

my guild is on last boss prog

[lyric gate]

y i saw

[subtle tundra]

i could've joined for it if i was home earlier

but comp is done already

[lyric gate]

2 augs lol

criminal

[glossy grove]

sad, im not sure if raidbots, isn't able to sim netherprism correctly

[distant plinth]

hahaha still playing wow varas !?

[glossy grove]

or if it's really that bad in m+

[subtle tundra]

ney

[lyric gate]

what do you mean

priory signet does 1.7 mill overall more

did you sim it on 950 item level

[glossy grove]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nxLU1KwtTnfsnjH3ojoKs5

[golden loom]

5 taget 1 min hooly

[lyric gate]

kek

[glossy grove]

Isn't this the correct sim for multitarget=?

[golden loom]

no

[lyric gate]

no

[glossy grove]

hm

[golden loom]

sim dungeonslice

[lyric gate]

you sim 6 targets 1 min

[glossy grove]

okay let me re-sim

[lyric gate]

you cant sim a trinket

that needs like 2.30 min

to stack to full

with a 1 min sample

[glossy grove]

That's a very logical

[lyric gate]

go 5 min

[glossy grove]

point

I didn't think about it

kekw

i did dungeonslice now

[lyric gate]

when harvester edict is an upgrade

something is wrong

[glossy grove]

XD

[fading elbow]

Hey guys, could anyone have a look at my logs and point me in the right direction for fights like Araz?
First time playing a rogue and I seem to have gotten a hang of the spec in m+ and ST raid but I am struggling in raid fights with aoe.
I know I am missing something for sure but not sure what it is. Thanks!

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7HMn9PKqLRxW8FaT?fight=34&type=damage-done

[restive crater]

In a fight without a damage amp phase, how many stacks do you usually send netherlrism? Or is it simply just every other DM?

[glossy grove]

usually at 15+

[restive crater]

Sorry didn’t mean to reply to that

[grim jay]

macro it to vanish

[glossy grove]

sometimes, if dmg is very needed i use it before 15

[grim jay]

you dont send it at any specific stacks

[glossy grove]

but not before 7

[lyric gate]

how is your spatter only 150 mill

[grim jay]

looking at any prism stacks is cooked

[lyric gate]

dont waste

rupturing

on adds

just spam envenom

on the big add wave you can rupture 1

is enough

losing so much damag eon that fight rupturing that adds is unreal i did the same mistake on mythic

[old lily]

is it still worth playing death stalker on araz and such even tho the SF is kinda dumb?

[distant plinth]

check PM i sent you

[lyric gate]

you mean in raid

you use it with vanish only ?

[grim jay]

yes

[lyric gate]

might be smart

[radiant yoke]

seems like tier chest is the worst statted, is that the crafted piece recommended?

[grim jay]

its the way to go

[lyric gate]

i have a special keybind with deathmark and prism xd

so iu have 2 different one

one for lilly one for prism

can you just vanish then deathmark

[fading elbow]

I see, so its not worth putting rupture even on the echo?

[lyric gate]

on fatebound

[grim jay]

no

just do your opener like in the guide

[lyric gate]

y i do the opener normally

[grim jay]

and have a dm+trinket macro for your m+ setup/raid DS and a vanish+prism macro for raid fb

[lyric gate]

but i have double on use

[grim jay]

you dont play double on use

[glossy grove]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nGzmhN4Lynboqx3MnmoNe9

[grim jay]

it stinks

[lyric gate]

y might be the case

sim 5 min bro

not 1

[glossy grove]

okay, i litereally can't optimize much through m+ dung 😄

ffs

[golden loom]

1 min dslice is even crazier

[distant plinth]

i sent you a little review on DMs potter 😄

[glossy grove]

XDD

ah cmon

fml

[lyric gate]

@grim jay https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fDrdcY3WHVuka7hVxAJrdQ

literally hates me

well that anub crystal is in the error margin of double on use

[grim jay]

idk I would just use the crystal

[lyric gate]

y i got it today

[grim jay]

double on use with lily is deadge

[lyric gate]

i dont know with this setup i have like 8.5k crit

and all the top logs have like 17k+

[grim jay]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[grim jay]

stop giving a shit about stats

its really eww

pointless thoughts

just do with your gear what the sim tells you to

[glossy grove]

did i sim

finally correct

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2MD9T7YEBPKnoMs4LwQpvy

[lyric gate]

huge

713 item level

wtf

[glossy grove]

thats not correct

[warm vortex]

He’s a big boi

[glossy grove]

lol

[lyric gate]

bro already turboboosted

[glossy grove]

why does it show 713

im 709

[velvet cairn]

cause u upgraded all slots to max

[rotund oak]

[glossy grove]

XD

[velvet cairn]

and compared to pool

[glossy grove]

well

doesn't matter ig

its about the trinket anyways

[rotund oak]

bro sims the maxilvl of all gear

[velvet cairn]

(which is right since thats where u will end up)

[glossy grove]

yea raid settings

[ebon prism]

Are u guys consistently topping DPS meters in keys? I'm not the best but I'm losing to arcane mage and frost dk in 13-14 keys

[rotund oak]

u should lose to FDKs yes

[glossy grove]

well I think i have to swap my crystal for lily

[rotund oak]

normally

[glossy grove]

that you loose against a frost dk is fine

but not against a arcane mage

[lyric gate]

im losing to augs

all good bro

[warm vortex]

Oh my gosh blue sap

[rotund oak]

depends

[warm vortex]

You know Assa gone bad when this happens

[velvet cairn]

depends on group and how well they play. but i top most. but fdk is prob better overall if u pull around it

[ebon prism]

Ah I see

[warm vortex]

Then again I’ve change from BM to SV so anything is possible

[rotund oak]

ahahahahah im a rogue,just wanted to troll @earnest remnant coz ive called Sub is the best spec a month ago

he ignores me

(actually playing the pirate on my horde rogue atm)

[opaque bronze]

for keys 16 and below since assa has bug , is it better playing sub ? overall dmg wise and helping to time keys ?

[ebon prism]

16 and below wtf. What keys are you doing

[rotund oak]

i find sub better than assa atm but im also not into 16s

[lyric gate]

prolly 1-15

[rotund oak]

and i dont want to

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-s4-homelander-cough-disgust-gif-15540398707739933423

[rotund oak]

[lyric gate]

hope its a goblin atleast

to match the pirate theme

[rotund oak]

orc