assassination

[waxen oyster]

they spending all time

on void dh

[bronze pike]

i pray for the death of sigil of chains

[grim jay]

Bear will always be the entry level tank without much going on. No attention needed.

[bronze pike]

make it share a node with silence

its your chance blizzard, while you make the third spec

kill it

[waxen oyster]

i feel warrior is the entry tank

am i high

[zealous hill]

very

[bronze pike]

strike while the iron is hot

[zealous hill]

Bear is the ret of tanks

[bronze pike]

i think all of them are somewhat entry level

cept

bdk

[grim jay]

Idk I feel like bear has way less going on

Even easier tools

[bronze pike]

and vdh only cause you have to play like a dps and most tank players dont do that

like idk

the skill floor for all of them are lowish now

[waxen oyster]

i like vdh when im not doing

frac frac soulcleave

200x

[bronze pike]

brew was also dumbed down alot

[zealous hill]

Once you know, pull everything Fel Dev, Profit

its easy

[bronze pike]

basically ya

[waxen oyster]

brand

spread it

drop flame sigils

ye

[bronze pike]

bears community perception

rip

always seen as the easiest tank

[waxen oyster]

Isnt vdh still the most prone

to getting whiteswung 100-0

[bronze pike]

when at this point is probably one of the more skill intensive ones

[bronze pike]

i mean

sure?

but thats bdk and brew too

cause sustain tanks

[zealous hill]

Not really, any tank not prepped is getting 2 shot

[bronze pike]

while bear protw and ppal are mitigation tank

[waxen oyster]

bdk if you go in without boneshield

[bronze pike]

but all of them shhouldnt be getting 100-0

[waxen oyster]

[bronze pike]

unless your bad

[waxen oyster]

i remember when ppal was an instant 100-0

if sotr fell off

[zealous hill]

worst case you open with a CD until your mitigation is rolling

bdk still has ways to get boneshirld up out of combat

[waxen oyster]

yeah warrior having it built into their dps rotation made me think its simpler

free shield wall from ava

block from shield charge

[zealous hill]

warrior has more spinning discs to manage, entry level bear is much lower then entry war

[ebon prism]

!cb

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[bronze pike]

bear swipes

[zealous hill]

You hit barkshin, charge, thrash...GG

[ebon prism]

ohhhh the cold blood is for the envenom, not the kb

[sharp junco]

!streets

Do we have a spec for streets?
This bleed build is horrific in streets with all single target.

Is there a hybrid or would fatebound ST with caustic be the go to

[waxen oyster]

i always check if im not pressing enough for bear

spec is to play sub

[sharp junco]

Why not sub for other dungs then?

[zealous hill]

bc funny bleed number

[waxen oyster]

Idk hybrid is worse st than bleed

people really think kb does a shit

[analog field]

Also bleed is not that bad, I tried cleave but didn't reach bleed numbers with it

[ebon prism]

for fate build in ST raid, is there a benefit to vanish into mutilate instead of ambush? i see that on some logs

[sharp junco]

I think fatebound st with caustic will do more value than bleed in streets

[waxen oyster]

Idk i played a streets as bleed

felt fine

[analog field]

FB is negative damage

[waxen oyster]

just didnt prism on trash

[grim jay]

Whispyr potentially suggested the cleave build there

But also if its "horrific", it sounds like a you problem

[waxen oyster]

Yeah if you really insist on playing assa still

But bleed st felt fine idk

i still ended most bosses over 3m

[real granite]

this surr thing is stupid, its not fit for m+ design

i just been kidnapped by a tank keyholder

he didnt want to surr and he didnt want to pull

[grim jay]

Report him then. Also leaving once in a while wont flag you anyways

[ebon prism]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[real granite]

what? ddont you get flagged every time you leave?

whats it, 2 times? how it works?

[zealous hill]

It would make trolling way too easy

[runic hinge]

I'mma play fatebound hybrid

[grim jay]

Gotta ask blizz

[grim jay]

Apparently not

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-hell-fire-burning-miserable-gif-21470597

[waxen oyster]

if tank doesnt want to pull thats what tricks is for

[grim jay]

Actually based

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna play in your butt

[runic hinge]

[balmy condor]

Yeah not so funny now, is it big buy

[dense cedar]

[balmy condor]

Say hybrid fatebound one more time and I’ll do a donut on it

[visual sun]

fatebrid, hybound

[zealous hill]

I love how universally unhinged the guidewrites are for this game

[runic hinge]

hybrid fatebound

[balmy condor]

It takes a special kind of person to deal with the nonsense this game provides

[cunning needle]

you know i would have normally said that fuu is the sole unhinged guidewriter for rogues on wowhead until I saw how he writes his 1s

[zealous hill]

Oh 100%, nothing but respect lmaooooo. Ive just seen Porom on the mage discord say some wild shit

[dense cedar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/268400938799071232/1398065787536801873/VqEceMD.gif

[balmy condor]

That’s a triangle

[cunning needle]

from last night when someone was asking if they could skip sectech or something

[dense cedar]

My fav number, ^

why tf was someone asking to skip sectec

[cunning needle]

dont ask

[balmy condor]

My bad

[oak tangle]

your 7's are scuffed

[cunning needle]

its fuu not me!

[dense cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-cursed-pig-hit-destroy-gif-16673301

[cunning needle]

thats also a 1

not a 7

[tawdry halo]

this is a number dyslexic hate crime

[oak tangle]

LOL

[cunning needle]

hence why #assassination message

[zealous hill]

You cant say thats a 1 with a straight face

[waxen oyster]

I love it when they shut down a discord until blizzard buffs them too.

[dense cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-ducks-swing-cute-animals-gif-15449339

[waxen oyster]

When we putting #assassination on read-only until bugfixes

[cunning needle]

this is also his 5 second drawing of a cat

[balmy condor]

Bro anthrax is typing?

[waxen oyster]

and going to twitter

[balmy condor]

I’m cooked

[dense cedar]

this goes hard

[grim jay]

What about the other guy

[haughty flicker]

this goes insanely hard

[grim jay]

Shim

[cunning needle]

its kinda good NGL

[grim jay]

Looks more like a mouse ngl

But its good regardless

[haughty flicker]

better than anything i could do

[balmy condor]

Anthrax and Ricin

[cunning needle]

youre not the only one to say that

@sly ginkgo no you can't j ust blueball us like that

[grim jay]

I meant that one yesterday

With the 3rd grade math

[balmy condor]

Speaking of sub btw

[waxen oyster]

My fave is when you see someone typing for minutes.

[balmy condor]

What a horseshit spec

[waxen oyster]

Only to write 2 sentences

[cunning needle]

???????????????

[balmy condor]

I’m 1.5 gcds late on araz and lose half my damage

Fucking what

[cunning needle]

yeah press your flag 2 seconds earlier

[waxen oyster]

me when the adds get knocked too far

and i dont nimble them

[cunning needle]

i press black powder

[grim jay]

I actually kinda live for those moments

[waxen oyster]

They got knocked

[oak tangle]

bruh i'm stilled hyped from our Heroic salhadaar prog last night. that boss has perfect timings for sub, and they just slap in a perfect aoe section in there for ya

[waxen oyster]

on my coldblood secrettech

[grim jay]

Dang I thought that was anthrax's message

[haughty flicker]

timings are better if you bribe an hpal to give you autumn

makes flag come up at the start of platform and amp instead of a bit into each

[grim jay]

Dont just randomly pop a bigger message in here while we are anticipating something grand

[waxen oyster]

salhadar worked fine in hc as assa for me

[rigid fable]

A silly question... is it almost impossible to do a 15+ in time with the tank pulling only the boss without adds, right? Playing as Assassination.

[oak tangle]

i could maybe make this happen

[balmy condor]

I think I’m going to throw up

[grim jay]

No

[waxen oyster]

Still 5.9

[rigid fable]

🙁

[haughty flicker]

for assa i dont think it matters yeah

[grim jay]

It does

[haughty flicker]

but for sub makes it a lot easier to get triple dance on amp inside flag

[grim jay]

But it doesnt make a 15 impossible

[balmy condor]

What about a +16

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

….17?

[haughty flicker]

i mean autumn not what he asked

[grim jay]

You can both autumn my +17

[haughty flicker]

15s are for losers i only do 10s

[grim jay]

[oak tangle]

i just recall my cd's were delayed maybe 10 more seconds cause i f'ed something up. someone called out "we not more dp on this side we're too slow" i just slam a "i gotchu" over the mic and mob gets obliterated

[waxen oyster]

i had 5.9 on assa

with scuffing my kb

to not be up for most of dragon butn

[haughty flicker]

even sending on cd flag comes up like 7-8 seconds into platform and amp

you still fit the whole thing

[balmy condor]

Side note but the only thing worse than a cavity is having to wake up early in the morning to go to dentist for the cavity

[haughty flicker]

but you can do even more

[waxen oyster]

also our tanks are dropping first tank soak literally on the boss

[oak tangle]

yeah i was 10secs passed that, i'd been on cd all the previous pulls, so they got worried it was so high

[sly ginkgo]

no need to go anywhere if your partner is a dentist 😄

[balmy condor]

My partner wants to be a cardiologist and I make sure to have her watch nervously as I chug my 3rd monster in a row

[haughty flicker]

[icy geyser]

is there any viable build for M+ with kb, that doesn't lose that much dmg in AOE, but gains us more dmg in ST?

[rigid fable]

@grim jay you said no.. so that means you can do any keys without boss + add? its a dumb question ;x

[grim jay]

Its pretty stupid to not do it if possible

But I doubt it will brick a 15

[rigid fable]

most of pug tank dont do this

[grim jay]

Just for that

[haughty flicker]

thats what tricks and poison knife are for

[icy geyser]

at least for dawn, streets where you need lots of ST damage

[grim jay]

I experience the opposite actually, because there are many specs profiting off of it rn

[balmy condor]

I’m going to throw up again

[wide quail]

Guys.. what’s the strongest rogue spec in execute phase?

[balmy condor]

Assassination easily

It’s the only one that HAS execute

[twin plume]

depends where you are

[wide quail]

And Sub has the highest burst.. right?

[grim jay]

You just play bleed

[haughty flicker]

does my execute not work in india

[bright turret]

4 set seems to be working fine in raid tonight, anyone having issues with it?

[balmy condor]

Correct

[icy geyser]

@timber pagoda is this possible?

[grim jay]

No because its bloken

[twin plume]

india and delves

[wide quail]

Thank you 👍🏼

[icy geyser]

yea but you have tank dmg on bosses as bleed

[haughty flicker]

no uh

your execute definitely works in delves

[balmy condor]

There happens to be a guide you can pull talents from

[grim jay]

No you dont

[haughty flicker]

sudden demise is not the execute hes talking about

[grim jay]

Unless you bady bad

[cunning needle]

is there a command that lists where the guide is?

[icy geyser]

like I do 2.5m dmg on bosses, while other classes do 3.5+

[grim jay]

Yeah thats kinda what I said

[balmy condor]

Okay well 2.5 is atrocious even on bleed

[lean star]

Right now struggeling doing good logs on soulhunters as sub
Is assa any better on this boss?

[grim jay]

If you have current gear, thats way low

[oak tangle]

is there a command that lists the commands

[haughty flicker]

im bad at the game and i do more than that on bosses

[cunning needle]

yeah but its out of date

!commands

!command

hmmm

[tawdry halo]

[cunning needle]

it used to exist

[icy geyser]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/twisting-nether/izheem?zone=45&metric=dps here are my logs if someone can tell me if I am doing something wrong on ST bosses, where I do not have funnel

[grim jay]

Most certainly Info you can get on warcraftlogs

Im not sponsored

[balmy condor]

Get bent and buttered Mr Australia man

[icy geyser]

especially gambit 2nd boss, dawn first and last boss

[twin plume]

and he is already upside down

[cunning needle]

my biscuits sure are buttered now

[icy geyser]

same happens on 2nd boss in priory

[oak tangle]

are biscuits just scones?

[cunning needle]

i dunno it's some weird american thing where biscuits arent biscuits

[rigid fable]

I think my Assassin's done... single target damage in high keys is getting really rough... it's the end for my Assassin.

[cunning needle]

or maybe thats british

[haughty flicker]

arent british biscuits cookies or some shit

[grim jay]

Lets try the same thing as with the other guy

Whats your St at

On a pure St Boss

(im not asking about height or dicklength, dont add anything)

[rigid fable]

lmao what you mean?

[balmy condor]

You’re getting 1 cast of deathmark on a 3 minute boss

[grim jay]

He says sin st sucks but its his St that sucks

Maybe its the same for you

Or you really just have bad tanks/setups

Just trying to figure out whats going on so we might help

[balmy condor]

not getting a deathmark in execute

only getting 1 cast

yeah

this is gonna be awful

[oak tangle]

4pc actually trolled me on our first loomithar kill

[coral ibex]

[balmy condor]

[coral ibex]

hell yea

[haughty flicker]

wtf

[coral ibex]

mine is a better name

[rigid fable]

im doing what all guides say to do wowhead/maxroll/icy veins

[coral ibex]

[haughty flicker]

why not glorpithar

[icy geyser]

so am I doing somehting wrong or what? I don't get it...every deathmark is + shiv and another shiv on the last 5-6s of dm

[coral ibex]

duuude

glorpithar

[red schooner]

I am in support of our new moth overlords

[coral ibex]

now that i got prism im ready to drop my nuts on araz tomorrow night

[oak tangle]

how many pulls into araz did y'all swap to sub?

[rigid fable]

@grim jay At the end of the day, I’m barely do 3-4m a boss fight without adds

[coral ibex]

immediately after heroic

[haughty flicker]

0

because we arent there yet

[coral ibex]

0 pulls on mythic araz as assa

sub is just too good

[haughty flicker]

i am planning on playing sub on it though yeah

[balmy condor]

60 and then I did 15 pulls on sub, saw p3, and swapped back to fatebound

[oak tangle]

i think it took me 1 on heroic to nope out

[haughty flicker]

i feel like any deathstalker fight i'd rather just play sub

[coral ibex]

max stack prism in sub cds in amp

gonna be generational

[cunning needle]

but there are adds in p3?

[balmy condor]

this is your single target damage on a boss fight

notice how that blob

[oak tangle]

ethical whispyr

[balmy condor]

is not in execute

and there is only 1 of it

not having deathmark on bosses

is just not gonna work

[grim jay]

Thats actually quite fine

[lyric gate]

welcome to assa rogue

[rigid fable]

xD

ngl ill swap to DK

[icy geyser]

so I should use dm only when boss is under 35% hp? not on pull?

[rigid fable]

[balmy condor]

you should do both in fact

both is the solution

[grim jay]

Didnt you miss an entire set of CDs

[cunning needle]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-por-que-no-gif-23322568

[grim jay]

Because you just didnt press them

[lyric gate]

save deathmark always

for next boss

[rigid fable]

most of time when i use DM at start.. he come back at execute phase

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-maracas-shake-mexican-joe-manganiello-gif-9825659781330624975

[cunning needle]

save DM for next key

[runic hinge]

save dm for myself

[haughty flicker]

if you press deathmark at the start of a pull and the boss is dead before it comes back up then your damage on the boss didnt matter anyway

[runic hinge]

[rigid fable]

you guys always overlap prism trinket?

[haughty flicker]

[grim jay]

How can you overlap prism

[oak tangle]

overlap?

[lyric gate]

no

you save it for another dm

[rigid fable]

i mean stack

[lyric gate]

when you have high stacks

[rigid fable]

dodge

[oak tangle]

stack it with what

[balmy condor]

roll?

[grim jay]

Flap?

[lyric gate]

wrap ?

[balmy condor]

dn

[rigid fable]

oh

its antenna

sorry LMAO

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/moonkin-dance-starfall-dancing-moonkin-gif-20256106

[lyric gate]

i think feral is the better rogue

[rigid fable]

overlap/dodgge antenna

[grim jay]

Its alright to be wrong

[lyric gate]

its disgusting strong

[rigid fable]

true

[grim jay]

its disgusting strong

[cunning needle]

nice try @shrewd night

[grim jay]

Fixed that for you

[lyric gate]

atleast it hasnt 25 class features

like forget to logout before pull

and cant use coldblood

[oak tangle]

que?

[grim jay]

Cold blood is great

[lyric gate]

need a checklist atm to avoid the bugs

[grim jay]

Happens

[runic hinge]

cold blood is a crutch

just crit

[lyric gate]

kek

so you overwrapping your antenna

to guarantee crit

i see

[grim jay]

So many new things

Overlap prism

Overwrap antenna

[lyric gate]

just play double egg sack

[grim jay]

Wouldnt even play it once

Such a stupid trinket

[oak tangle]

im confused tho, how are we overlapping trinkets

[grim jay]

He meant not grabbing the ball of antenna

If DM is about to come up

And take it later to ensure antenna is up on CDs aswell

[oak tangle]

ima be real, i dont have the trinket so i didnt know what it did, but also, im the kinda person who's just gonna fuckin stand still and let them hit me

[lyric gate]

thats why i use transmitter

goated trinket

[cunning needle]

jump 3 times

[oak musk]

Do a barrel roll

[lyric gate]

click the images with traffic lights

[gilded stump]

Morning - can someone conclude in short what the % loss in these bugs are for purely mythic+ content with deathstalker hero talent?
I'm reading the bugs, but I feel a lot of it refers to either FB hero or open world/ raid wide issues. There are some mentions of splash nerfs, but just want to know what the overall % impact for mythic+ alone is?
Anyone, just a number is fine. Ty ty

[lyric gate]

to unlock your power

watch video from whispyr

[oak tangle]

just dont encounter a bug, 0%

[gilded stump]

Haha fair

[polar rampart]

i would rather ping him and ask him to type it in discord

[oak musk]

The bugs can only hurt you if you let them

[lyric gate]

y just ping him 10 times

[oak tangle]

my dh must be bugged, it does less than my rogue

[real granite]

around 10% if you dont take momentum

[gilded stump]

Thank you

[grim jay]

[lyric gate]

how much with momentum

[cunning needle]

[lyric gate]

[real granite]

#assassination message

[minor coyote]

[oak tangle]

what is the %age chance of encountering these bugs

[real granite]

same as encountering a ratatta in route 1

[peak pagoda]

basically high

[lyric gate]

best is if you dont know about the bugs

then life is good

it only starts mattering when you learn about it

[errant hawk]

Dont believe in bugs, be like Zerocool

[oak tangle]

cause i swapped from sub to fatebound, didn't relog, didn't get bugged

[real granite]

did he literally said he does not believe the bugs?

[lyric gate]

its not true

he was in whispyrs chat

he know about the bugs

[rigid fable]

there is a way to see all stats from raider io site?

[errant hawk]

no, but he dont care and still playin assas

[distant plinth]

Happends to me a few times during raid. I dont hear the coldblood sound when i use my cb+tech macro

[cunning needle]

there are no bugs this expansion. there are only spiders and they are arachnids

[real granite]

mate, he's been playing assa since dinosaurs, ofc he keeps playing assa

[zealous hill]

This is Crab xpac, idk what you want from me

[cunning needle]

the crab walks on all 螃蟹走在所有 no escape from prison 无法越狱 balls not being swallowed 睾丸不被吞 unite on the circle 团结在圈子上

[lyric gate]

did you guys send all gear and enchant towards sub now?

[oak tangle]

OH FUCK

I did get bugged

but for sub

KEKW

[golden loom]

I use the exact same gear with 1 ring swap and swapping between crit and mastery cloak thingy

for sin/sub

[lyric gate]

y but thats not optimized

[cunning needle]

the bug only exists going from assi -> sub iirc

[lyric gate]

nah also other way around

[grim jay]

Because its still a top spec

[brave stump]

i do even another neck

[oak tangle]

rip, the pinned implied the otehr way

[brave stump]

wowowowow

[cunning needle]

actually sub kinda cares about not having haste

[golden loom]

I simmed both with "replace all enchants etc" and there is no gain anywhere

[cunning needle]

but also who cares as long as your neck and rings dont have haste on them

[lyric gate]

how much haste you want

[cunning needle]

0

acutally

negative

i want my flask to take haste away from me

[golden loom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qE3WkGSB81asJUUjpiNqsk https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bMtP6NxeYN5TY1gyFkEwD4 massive gains!!!!!!!

[lyric gate]

cant avoid it

xd

[brave stump]

this is the assa stat fixer when i swap specs

kek

[lyric gate]

2 set pieces have haste

[cunning needle]

yeah you just use tier chest

[brave stump]

one ring make you spec fluent

[oak tangle]

just wear 2pc and have the fight go for 1:30

[grim jay]

Btw one of us might be fumbling something, I also watched the video late. Werent the 10% only for raid, considering the stuff that affects m+, Momentum aside, is basically - 4% on funnel and +2% on SB?

[lyric gate]

do you use coup in aoe scenario

like the evis

[grim jay]

Yes

[lyric gate]

1 more question

how do i make sure that i get the 5 combopoints free

after finisher

i catch my self often to use shadowstrike instead of finisher there because my brain is to slow

what i have to track to see tthat next one is free cps

[grim jay]

You just get a weakaura to play a sound if the refund happens

[lyric gate]

do you actually have one

i would kiss you

[grim jay]

Ew

If thats the case then no

[lyric gate]

🙁

[oak tangle]

sometimes my refunds are delayed

[supple spindle]

you're against kissing?

[grim jay]

@quiet oar Might get jealous

[supple spindle]

ew

[oak tangle]

gives me old SBS delayed cp vibes

[cunning needle]

https://wago.io/6GM43FEaa

where's my kiss

[lyric gate]

come get your kiss

[oak tangle]

give me a bank all cp's if cast within 1 sec of a refund

[grim jay]

https://wago.io/zKIJ0aQe1

Would be another way

Depending on if you prefer the sound or something visual

[lyric gate]

soun d is fine

much love

do you really play sub with tea instead of cb in keys now ?

[brave stump]

no

[cunning needle]

yes

[brave stump]

[grim jay]

Yes

[oak tangle]

you guys play sub in keys

[grim jay]

Yes

[cunning needle]

yes

[lyric gate]

so you tea in blades like on assa ?

[grim jay]

You tea on dance

[cunning needle]

you tea on dance or whenever it auto procs

[oak tangle]

is it legit back?

[cunning needle]

also it doesnt really matter

play the cb build

play tea build

it all rounds down to the same number anyway

[grim jay]

Sub in keys? Its insane rn

[lyric gate]

y bu8t my overall is still bad

i kinda hold to much my shit

[oak tangle]

it was like season 2 DF or something right since it was the best spec

[lyric gate]

i love the dopamine window

[dapper halo]

is there a dm tracker

[grim jay]

Just let it flow

As if you had diarrhea

[lyric gate]

xd

[oak tangle]

coincidentally, lines up with black poweder being good

🤔

[grim jay]

I mean sure

[zealous hill]

Sub is about sending everything, with EDM blaring, and hoping dance lasts enough to finish combo

[grim jay]

If your only aoe tool sucks

Your dungeon performance is kinda limited

[oak tangle]

i thought nimble flurry woulda fixed it tbh

[lyric gate]

nimble is target ap

cap

also its not 100% up

if you dont waste your dances

[oak tangle]

yeah but the target count is only like 4+ to swap to BP

[lyric gate]

atleast for my noobish sublety angle

[cunning needle]

dont hold just send

[lyric gate]

do you macrod dance and symbols ?

[brave stump]

you need to send before others ramped

[cunning needle]

no

[oak tangle]

my noob ass macros symbols to sectec

[boreal mist]

For a sec I thought I accidentally clicked on the wrong channel lol

[lyric gate]

assa is on vacation

[oak tangle]

sub mains gonna have a fit at me being unable to pull sectec / boost on demand coups

[lyric gate]

y i might unbind that too

tech and dance

sometimes its grief when it doesnt line up in mid of blades

[oak tangle]

woah tec + dance

even i think that's cooked

[lyric gate]

i mean symbols

not technique

lol

my bad

[supple spindle]

wow, seems like a good reason to swap

i look at the amount of buttons sub needs to press and wanna commit alt f4

[lyric gate]

fact is

[real granite]

ah? sb double dip was always considered, as a baseline, what i meant is basically the spatter bug

[lyric gate]

i wont even get accepted for a 10 key

as sub

[fathom sun]

I do like legit no ST dmg in keys as assas (despite doing very high overall) - its such a simple rotation that I feel like I'm missing something

[lyric gate]

xd

[oak tangle]

honeslty, i'm pretty sure sin presses moree

[lyric gate]

you not doing 8 mill single target ? on bleed build ?

[real granite]

i mean, spatter bug takes 10% of aoe overall damage, from the "baseline with sb double dip", also considering the spatter double dip removed

[lyric gate]

get outta here

[fathom sun]

no but im doing like 3m to everyone else's 5

[lyric gate]

same for me

with no funnel

[real granite]

i asked whips after seeing the video but maybe i missunderstood

[lyric gate]

dont worry

i just play raid specc fatebound in streets

with caustic

[oak tangle]

bosses are actually so little of the key though, compared to trash

[haughty flicker]

caustic not working with singular focus and the spatter fix combined are 10% total, its not 10% from bugs alone

[fathom sun]

they make up a decent amount of time i.e. gambit last boss

[grim jay]

And Whispyr mentioned that at 4% in the Video, but the double dip of sb isnt intended tho

[lyric gate]

also from all the aoe it only really matters to kill the prio target in packs

padding can be done by eeryone

[real granite]

4% is the momentum bug, that you can recover just changing to follow the blood, isnt it?

[grim jay]

No I didnt count that in

Bcs just swap talents

[quiet oar]

I really could use some kisses ngl

[real granite]

yeah isnt intended, but the 10% is just from the last iteration

[haughty flicker]

i cant believe bugs are costing me 69% of my damage

[red schooner]

Bugs are making me heal the boss wtf

[lyric gate]

only 69?

[oak tangle]

i'll have a bug on saturday that causes me to lose 100% dps

[lyric gate]

i swear i did 200k overall yesterday in a 10 flood

[real granite]

perfection

[runic hinge]

i was gonna make this exact joke

[red schooner]

Perfect stats, never change them

[red schooner]

Imagine not being locked in. You need to focus man.

[lyric gate]

🙁

[grim jay]

But thats a flawed way of thinking. 4% is the bugs worth of a loss bcs it doesnt work with the funnel, while sb is an unintended gain and the caustic fix is caustic not having worked as it should before. So the actual bugs make you lose something around 2%+ damage, 4% if you factor out sb being bugged and take it as a baseline

You maybe lost 10% on that patch, but not due to new, now existing bugs only

[runic hinge]

cant wait for the aura buffs instead of bug fixes

[red schooner]

To summarise:

"Bugs are huge, class unplayable", - Davyn, 2025

[lyric gate]

i damage stopped to guarantee the 69

wdym

[grim jay]

Wait

Thats the opposite

[red schooner]

I dunno the quote says otherwise

[grim jay]

Cant argue with that, because that kinda is how Social Media works

And Social Media is everything

[red schooner]

I love misinformation

[lyric gate]

finally some answers

[sturdy hawk]

Hey guys, quick question: for Fatebound, I macro my Vanish with Kingsb. Should I place it before or after Kingsb in the macro?

Or actually doesn’t matter

[real granite]

ye, we lose arounr 4% of our intended damage, and we lost 10% of our damage from one week to the next

[harsh wraith]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[real granite]

but idk, intended damage is such a scuffy term

[grim jay]

We are at roughly 98% of our "intended" damage rn ye

[real granite]

if they leave bugs for aptches and patches

isnt it kinda intended

[grim jay]

No, just not important enough

So basically rogue in a nutshell

[dense cedar]

rogue bugs sometimes funny

[red schooner]

Don't macro it to kingsbane, otherwise you'll send it at the 2 minute 15 kingsbane

[dense cedar]

was saying yesterday about how Subterfuge is a Stealth quality of life talent

[red schooner]

Treat it as a 3 minute cooldown

[dense cedar]

because it grants you SUPER stealth

[sturdy hawk]

Ah right

[dense cedar]

legit dunno why subterfuge does that but

all upside I suppose

hope they never fix it

[lyric gate]

i macrod vanish to hearthstone

[sturdy hawk]

But do I use vanish before or after kingsbane😣 ?

[dense cedar]

after the pre-DM envenon or before the last cold blood envenom

any time between there

[red schooner]

In your cooldown window, as long as it's before you've used your cold blood envenoms you're fine

[lyric gate]

for what

[red schooner]

You've got a big window to use it

[lyric gate]

you dont have benefit

from stealth

[sturdy hawk]

[balmy condor]

You’re using it to get an extra edge case flip

[lyric gate]

oh lol#

[dense cedar]

ur going to hell, buddy

[balmy condor]

It has no other interaction

[red schooner]

Double jeopardy

[dense cedar]

WHispyr

pls

[balmy condor]

Pls what

[zealous hill]

when in doubt, gamble

[dense cedar]

double jeopardy command

people keep asking forever

no one can grasp what vanish is for at all

[supple spindle]

i just press it for fun

works for me

[lyric gate]

bro is the vanish master

[minor coyote]

can you wear both logic rings?

alpha and omega

[dense cedar]

[dense cedar]

idk why you couldn't

[sturdy hawk]

Yes and you will get a beta ring as gift

[dense cedar]

unless im stoopid and there is some reason

[lyric gate]

kek

[minor coyote]

just askin, should i even bother rolling for omega?

[dense cedar]

go for it

[lyric gate]

if you wear both you gonna see the hypotenuse

[boreal mist]

Become loot goblin

[runic hinge]

no no, a streamer told me we are down 15% damage

[dense cedar]

50% damage

[buoyant herald]

20%? Oh man!

[boreal mist]

If you wear both the jailer will come back

[lyric gate]

,

[boreal mist]

St is fine

Right?

[lyric gate]

is fine when you raid with 19 ohter assa rogues

[boreal mist]

Lol

[balmy condor]

Vanishing On Fatebound

• you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
• this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
• because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
• edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
• you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst

@dense cedar

Anything else

[haughty flicker]

add a glorp pls

[red schooner]

I can't believe Davyn said that rerolling outlaw was the play

[lyric gate]

davyn is playing feral

[hidden crown]

LMAO

[runic hinge]

feral pretty fun

[boreal mist]

I'm just saying if outlaw was dual pistols I'd play the shit outta that

[minor coyote]

Whispyr your guides made me top dps the 2nd boss in heroic yesterday 😭 my 🐐 thank you

[balmy condor]

Very sick

Glad to hear it

[minor coyote]

i was so happy 🥹

[hidden crown]

Oh- :c

[lyric gate]

no fucking way

[dense cedar]

ty

agree with bel tho, maybe add a glorp

[balmy condor]

If you tell me what the id is of

I’ll add it

But I’m on mobile

So I can’t see

[oak tangle]

antennaglorp?

[lyric gate]

we back at overlapping ?

[haughty flicker]

!antennaglorp

[balmy condor]

Perfect

[rotund oak]

based bm hunter

[balmy condor]

!update

[prisma monolith]

Updated.

[minor coyote]

i was so happy when my practice paid off

[balmy condor]

!dj

[prisma monolith]

Vanishing On Fatebound

• you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
• this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
• because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
• edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
• you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst

[grim jay]

Bro you can say everything

But not that

[lyric gate]

glad you didnt saw my message

[grim jay]

I did

Its just not remotely close

[lyric gate]

shit

[grim jay]

To what he said

[lyric gate]

@red schooner time to explain yoiurself

[oak tangle]

imagine if instead of blade flurry, sub got RTB

[lyric gate]

sub has bladeflurry

?

i would like that

[oak tangle]

trickster dawg

[lyric gate]

outlaw is complete shit

[oak tangle]

lowkey wanted to forward that message to their channel

but i'd have to type in there

[icy geyser]

@grim jay can you check dm, please?

[red schooner]

I explain nothing.

[light grove]

How do we use vanish in m+ ?

[oak tangle]

as / when needed to cover restealths

[lethal swallow]

I played outlaw S1 and outlaw/sin S2, now just sin. I can't seem to wrap my head around sub

[elfin fossil]

!geart

[oak tangle]

dance when sectec ready, sectec with a symbols buff active. make sure you have 2 dances for your 1:30 cd's

[elfin fossil]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[oak tangle]

ez

[lethal swallow]

It makes sense, I should practice on a dummy, but even keybinds just feel weird. My old brain outlaw was fine though despite its stupid high apm

[hidden crown]

how can you play and understand outlaw but not Sub? 😭

[light grove]

To re rupture garrote all mobs or/and when we lose DS mark

[oak tangle]

i'd use it less to re rupture them

but yeah

if they are low hp, i wouldnt vanish for it

[lethal swallow]

I know, I just need to spend the time. Two kids under 4 makes that hard

[oak tangle]

i play suboptimally, but it's still quite well with some macros, just depends how much you care about being optimal

[lethal swallow]

My guild does aotc only, two nights a week for 2.5 hours. I like playing well, but extreme min/max isn't my goal

[oak tangle]

same tbh, though we've gone to 1 night now

so im raiding in a second guild, so 3 nights

[lethal swallow]

I do alright

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/34687737

[fringe jacinth]

Im new to the rogue, how is the m+ playstyle? do i bleed/poison much target as possible or i should stack buffs/debuffs on the same enemy like other classes?

[jaunty notch]

shindig made a video about rogue assa, if you want to check it out

[grim jay]

Whispyr already told you what you messed up on what you linked. Cant look into logs rn

[fringe jacinth]

Its an hour long holy shit

[oak tangle]

i believe the current goal on a pack, is 5 ruptures, all with garrote

[grim jay]

Check whispyrs video about assassination, not any other

[jaunty notch]

I mean, do you want to learn rogue ?

[fringe jacinth]

Not like im studying for an exam tho

[jaunty notch]

Play hunter then homie

[oak tangle]

idk, and hour to explain sin m+ is a bit long

[jaunty notch]

he explain the build archetype from s2 and show example of opener ect..

very good ressources

you can just skip to bleed build tbh

still a well made video

[harsh ravine]

• as long as you have Indiscriminate carnage up and running, you spread your ruptures & garrots to as many targets as possible

• then you slam envenoms with caustic on the prio target

• if your ruptures are about to fall below 5 targets, you reapply it untill having the 20% agi buff again

• you can shiv just before execute phase, you will be dealing a lot of bonus dmaages at this time (however never let both your shiv up, use them)

[grim jay]

Whispyrs is longer but he has timestamps

Also 1.5x speed

[fringe jacinth]

So i don't need to consistenly switch targets and use rupture garrote since indiscriminate carnage is up

any way other than using vanish to apply carnage mid pack?

how do i track how many targets been ruptured?

[fringe jacinth]

he has a 3 hours video, i checked the short ones but i think they are still a bit deep in me, just leveled 72 on my assa first time and new to the wow overall

[harsh ravine]

it is optimized to do so, you can use a maccro to mouse over your dots,

going out of stealth apply IC (vanish included), there is no other way to have it

I track my dots with plater's color, some people use a WA

[jaunty notch]

you can mouseover garrote and rupture

I would recommand to always have at least 1 vanish up if your tank hate you and chainpull so you can still vanish to proc IC on a new pack

[clever sparrow]

do we still play Death stalker on soulbinder?

[light grove]

Im Ok in m+ like 7M overall on 12 floodgate
But in raid im last in dps specially on mono by far. Like mates are at 5m and i struggle to keep 3m... Any advice ?

[clever sparrow]

then learn it the hard way bro 😄

[jaunty notch]

hc you can go fatebound with caustic, ad get nuked either way, and it will spread well on intermission, in mythic idk

[clever sparrow]

send log 😄

[fringe jacinth]

how do you track with plater? think i never noticed

[lyric gate]

overall depends on route

[fringe jacinth]

yeah planning on learning with playthrough

[spare kayak]

Has anyone asked if we're still bugged today, or is it my turn?

[lyric gate]

and if you have funnel in boss fights

[loud gull]

!macros

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[harsh ravine]

this is a script, for me it changes the plater color based on which dots I have on it, I play SP as well and I use it for both classes

[fringe jacinth]

Okay , appreciate for the infos

[plush wasp]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8QGDM9zYVvwXK2Wq?fight=43&type=damage-done

is this ok or just add cheating?

[light grove]

@clever sparrow log sent on dm 🙂

[clever sparrow]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[oak tangle]

oh shit, i caused a meltdown in the DH channel

[thick sigil]

If your raid dont kill adds quick enough for you to do massive spatter dmg, then its their fault man 😂

Tho dragon dmg does seem a bit low 🤔

[plush wasp]

yeah i think forgot to switch fast enough on dragon.

[shy axle]

is fok used with ctw and ds 2p + shiv up on 1 target? idk it the command is up to date, last thing about it from the pins was not sure yet

[plush wasp]

also on one timing KB and CB where not aligning its because of bug?

[thick sigil]

Yes, usually always bug when those 2 desync

[normal kayak]

this was mine last night and i played that fight a bit shit, didnt use CD's on platform phase

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HtqWPLD46xGmbhkv?fight=48&type=damage-done

[thick sigil]

Happens very often...

[plush wasp]

nice good to compare. ty

[normal kayak]

i tried to look at whispyrs logs and he saved deathmark from like 2:30 to 4 min for luts phase

[limpid thunder]

Hey all, so im new to rogue just curious how we use Vanish. My understanding is we kinda dot stuff up in the opener right? then do we use a vanish charge to reapply because of the talent carnage?

or do we basically start tab targetting everything to dot slowly..

[normal kayak]

depends on what you're doing. As in keys or raid?

[limpid thunder]

keys yea im really struggling currently to maintain actaully good dmg feel pretty lost rn lmao

but always wanted to learn rogue so toughing it out 😂

[clever sparrow]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[thick sigil]

Tbh there are different ways to do the boss, depending on if you have netherprism or not, and what is needed for raid
Our CDs do like up quiet well at 1:30 min, but timer is very tight if you dont wanna hold
I just try to really blast the dragon because its fun 😂

[normal kayak]

if you're on full bleed build which is the go to atm. Basically whenever you have indiscriminate carnnage up (from stealth where you can multi garrote and rupture), dot as a many targets as you can. You want to make sure you get the 20% agi buff from rupture. Then crimson tempest, and just slam envenoms into your Darkest night target.

[limpid thunder]

20% agi buff?

[normal kayak]

I'll tend to vanish on a big pack if there is more mobs I want to dot up. I always try to save one charge of vanish incase the tank chain pulls and you can't re-stealth before he pulls another pack

[limpid thunder]

oh i see the talent

interesting never noticed that one

😂

[normal kayak]

yeah think it's 5+ targets?

[limpid thunder]

yea 4% per one

[plush wasp]

youre right man :). blasting adds with full cds and prisma was fun too when raids holds cds

[limpid thunder]

I understand the concept just feel like i must be doing something horribly wrong

[normal kayak]

my raids a bunch of padding bastards so they blow the platform adds up

[limpid thunder]

as i feel like im doing zilch dmg haha

[normal kayak]

you got any logs to your latest keys?

[limpid thunder]

dont think so ill check

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xzy9q1BcLG4JRTVW?fight=53&type=damage-done

Got this one i did last night pov my friends just carry my deadweight ass

my ST also feels absolutely god awful

[shy axle]

its normal, st is low in bleed spec

if you do not have adds present/pulled into

[normal kayak]

yeah my st sucks too, just part of the build, why its nice playing with more ST classes

[limpid thunder]

Yea i figure im probably doing something wrong ontop of it

as im very nice to this class but yea

didnt expect it to feel this bad even when im playing it scuffedly 😂

[obsidian shuttle]

Going off of wowheads rotations guide, I'm alittle confused.
Lets take gambit.
Do I ambush, then use Garrote as CP builder while doing rupture every 5th CP.
And then where is Crimson tempest is the startup rotation?
Lastly, should I vanish before or after applying DM to the big dude?

[static glacier]

Ct should be used when the mobs are stacked ideally

You can substitute the 2nd rupture onwards with ct

You only open with ambush if you don’t have darkest night to apply the mark

Avoid vanishing if you’ve just put out empowered garottes, if you’re talking mid combat I like to vanish > gar > dm

[limpid thunder]

Im guessing right if the pack is living long enough we use a vanish charge to reapply more garrotes an ruptures as it would take the piss to apply it otherwise without carnage buff?

[static glacier]

It also lets us maximise sudden demise damage

You don’t always need to commit a charge of vanish, you could just keep rupture on 2, ct up then slam envenom too - you have to make the call if it’s time to vanish or not

[limpid thunder]

i'll try to remember just want to improve slightly i looked at sub but that has so many cd's my brain leaked out my ass

[obsidian shuttle]

Aight, I'll try to keep that in mind.
I've gotten old and relied on hekili so trying to get it away again. 😛

[static glacier]

whispyr has very intuitively explained gameplay video guides

if you prefer that medium over written guides

shindigg also has shorter, more consise guides if you don't want all the details

[real pike]

This is wrong fyi

[obsidian shuttle]

Thanks!

[real pike]

Always open with Ambush as mark quicker better

[real granite]

if you do that you wont consume marks if you dont hit 7cp ruptures

and 2 gars are 6cps, which makes it awkward

[flint escarp]

is there like a % that mastery and crit soft cap at or something? Not sure how I should stat my items

[real granite]

im not sure ambushing instead of accelerating gars and rups is more worth

[red schooner]

Don't worry about soft caps/Dr, just sim yourself

[real granite]

actually im wrong

[red schooner]

Get some loot, sim it and see if the number goes up

[real granite]

you wont consume mark if untill you hit thje 7cp envenom

7cp rups doesnt consume dn idk what i was thinking

[static glacier]

if you open ambush then immediately finish 3 times with rup ct rup you'll get some singular focus value but you lose an ic global to ambush

can you share your source for this logic?

like you open with ambush if you're concerned that you won't apply dn in a timely fashion (if the pack is massive / its low on duration)

[haughty flicker]

the source is the big W in the sky himself

[real granite]

even then you probably should do it in the last subterfuge seconds

[static glacier]

if bro has an optimisation im down to hear it, but I want a source and proper reasoning

[hidden crown]

whats this do

[real granite]

thats for the boost item

0.5 patch will bring them

[hidden crown]

a h

gonna....recraft them again....I bet

[haughty flicker]

mr whispyr recommends using ambush from stealth always

even with darkest night up

because having mark is in fact quite nice

[real granite]

oh

bro did in fact had an optimisation

[main basalt]

Evening guys, is there any threshold for haste in fatebound st build please?

[orchid pewter]

No

[real pike]

Ye sorry late reply but the big dog is my sauce

But yeah if you ambush to get mark up you'll consume marks with rup rup CT and get back to DN for a big envenom

[haughty flicker]

well if you have dn and open with ambush you wont consume mark stacks

[real granite]

no you wont, theres a bug preventing that if you have DN

[haughty flicker]

but you are gaining all the value of the mark right away

and losing nothing

like the "using an ic global on ambush" argument doesnt really make any sense because how many pulls are you actually even remotely close to running out of ic before everything you could possibly need dotted is dotted

[limpid thunder]

so im messing around on dummies is this kinda what the dmg breakdown should look like?

[haughty flicker]

ive seen worse damage breakdowns for sure

[limpid thunder]

i can make it look good on dummies when i get to m+ looks nothing like that

[vocal seal]

exquisite name sir

[limpid thunder]

thank you kind sir i do try

[wintry rover]

Heya just wondering how much % mastery I should be aiming for ty

[quiet oar]

There is no %

just sim your gear

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[fiery basin]

!Sim

!Fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[limber wind]

Does netherprism sim correctly? Was thinking since it stacks up to 18, it probably has lower value in sims since the sim starts at 0 stacks. But has higher value in dungeons because it has time to stack up and be used on big pulls for example?

[thick sigil]

Its just very strong despite not being available on pull
Takes 3 min to stack fully and you dont always do that anyways

[thick sigil]

With the optional possibility to hold for more stacks for dmg amps etc, so its just strong in general

[limber wind]

If I just blindly follow that sim, I'd have lily + signet, which is super awkward no?

[golden loom]

do you just have no passive trinkets?

[limber wind]

yeah, that's what i was thinking. I can use signet on every vendetta until it has stacked up

I don't xd

[thick sigil]

Ye that sim is cursed

[golden loom]

well thats cooked

you dont wanna be running double on use as assa

[thick sigil]

And if you do, only with prism on certain fights tbh

[limber wind]

yea, was thinking of farming flood when i have time

[thick sigil]

So sim with any passive trinket aswell 😂

[limber wind]

baaah hahah

will do

But taking myth signet is a no brainer anyway i guess

[warm vortex]

Anyone else been constantly checking Wowhead lately? I just want patch notes bliz >:(

[red schooner]

I just wait for the pins

[obsidian shuttle]

I got this smart auto WA from someone here.
It works with auto target+casting Tricks on tank out of m+.
As soon as the key is in, its a mouseover macro. Anyone have any idea of why?

[thick sigil]

Man that is a recipe for disaster if you play rogue
Expect nothing, so when you get nothing you wont get surprised

[warm vortex]

Not even just for rogue lol

I just want bug fixes for BMs 4set and a buff for it

Or something

[thick sigil]

If you want changes play mage, dk or pala 😂

[warm vortex]

The 4set for them is only a dps increase if like 2 pieces are mythic

True

Then again my fav mage spec is fire and that isn’t the fav spec of them that s season so far
But they will probably Uber buff fire at some point

[vocal seal]

i find it so weird that signet sims slightly higher than lily when mastery is the """'god stat""""

and i'm getting 300+- more mast from lily

[warm vortex]

For me it’s the opposite

[dapper halo]

first i was afraid of nerf, now im clearly left behind in m+ dps

[clever sparrow]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
• Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
• Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.

[minor coyote]

why does our rogue tag have <RH> instead of just RH

[runic basin]

Guys, could someone check my loggs? And give me an Overall feedback? Would like to get better on assa in raid..m+ is fine i guess

[kind igloo]

do we know what is the dps gain/loss if bugs are fixed?

[robust axle]

I’m sorry mate, but when they “fix” a bug. New bugs are created 🙂

[little magnet]

Need help guys (bleed build). Lets say a first pull in M+ has 12 - 14 mobs and we are lusting ofc. Do you spread all your garrotes and ruptures on all 14 mobs and then going for CT, Shiv and Caustic splatter? Because if i do it like that by the time i spread my bleeds DK is already on 20m dps and mobs are starting to die. M+ lvl 12

[dapper halo]

its nice to have 10-15 percent dps gone cause blizz is incompetent

[kind igloo]

ambush>garrote>garrote>rupture>rupture>garrrote>ambush>CT>shiv>aoe rotation with envenoms

[red schooner]

Pretend its daggers on either side

[kind igloo]

You can fill some garrote if u have time to in carnage

[red schooner]

Post it in here and someone can take a look

[little magnet]

Doing that opening until all targets have bleeds on them?

[robust axle]

No

[kind igloo]

main priority 5 targets with rupture and 5-8 with garrote

[runic basin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/silvermoon/zirustab

[little magnet]

Alright thanks Loradien

[kind igloo]

at least 5 rupture, and up to 7-8

not more

but u always want keep 5 up

anyways is dynamic, if pull is gonna be long you want more and if not 5 is ok

[trail owl]

so the rotation/opener/start should looks like that?
target1 - garrote-rupture -change target->
->target 2 - garrote-rupture ( at this point it should be 2 garrotes + 4+ ruprutes around the pack)
correct?

[red schooner]

Hi, I can't go fully in depth due to being at work but I had a look through your most recent plexus kill - a few things as well as something to query -

1. Shiv usage. During desthmark, make sure your shivs are covering the full deathmark window instead of the full kingsbane window. Second, when you shivved for your next kingsbane you shivved at the start of the cast instead of the end.

2. You're delaying your cooldowns far more than you need to. You held your 45 second kingsbane until after the knockback, this meant that you had to hold your next deathmark until later and so on. This led to your usual 3 minute deathmark being delayed to 4 minutes.

3. just a query regarding netherprism use, I thought the play was to save it so it lines up with the vanish deathmark window but someone can probably clarify that better because I'm not sure

[final star]

it's basically a 3m trinket

but for example on a 5m fight I personally think a better usage is pull, 1.5m, 4.5m

[red schooner]

Yeah, thought so, I've not had one drop yet so I've not looked into it so I wanted to clarify

[final star]

instead of pull 3m 4.5m

because that 4.5m is in execute

[red schooner]

For zoldycks, yeah

It was being used every 1.5 here

I think it was macroed to DM

[final star]

ye remove that

I had to get used to manually pressing and still forget

[red schooner]

My solution is never having one drop

Never have to learn how to use it if you never get one

[runic basin]

Many thanks mate so overall „okish“ i guess but prism hold to vanish would not line perfectly i guess? Whats the important point with vanish?

[red schooner]

!DJ

[prisma monolith]

Vanishing On Fatebound

• you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
• this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
• because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
• edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
• you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst

[spice surge]

This goes hard

[red schooner]

Yeah, there wasn't a whole lot I could see that was wrong, mostly just cooldown usage. As I said I didn't go fully in depth due to being at work but you're on the right path!

Just tweak your netherprism timings as well

[red schooner]

all hail our new moth glorp overlords

[left nacelle]

Hey guys! new to rogue since season start. feeling quite comfortable on m+ aoe situations and raid ST situations, but I lose a LOT of dps when fighting ST bosses in M+ aoe spec. Is that just normal? feel like everyone outdps me for at least 60-70%. Overall I'm usually on about 6-7 millions depending on the pulls ofc, but for bosses I freeze at like 2.5m

[kind igloo]

nope, target1 - ambush - garrote (you can change target if you want for optimization but no needed) - garrote - rupture - rupture - garrote - ambush - CT - FK - envenom etc. Priority is 5 targets with rupture and 5 with garrote, up to 7-8 depends of the pull long. And shiv when is up after bleeds applied

[vapid herald]

is there any build for assa fatebound for m+ existing? or is it complete troll

[static glacier]

fair enough, I just didn't expect this to be a notable gain atm with singular focus trolling us

[calm wedge]

This sim looks weird as well no ? I sim using a floodgate type dungeon route as assa, with droptimizer raid myth items upgraded to 723

people are saying that prism is broken but it never simmed right for me

[trail owl]

hm, so this is waht im curious about. i should dps one traget only spamming garrote/ruptrue on it, and not to change targets ( this was also described in gudes, but i wasnt sure that rouge ruprure spread will dot 5+ targets if ill spam it in one target

[broken lion]

whens best to use tempered pot?

[real granite]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH

[vagrant tendon]

the 723 trinket you have is a sim bait so it sims higher than what it is hence the 723 prism sims lower

[real granite]

FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY

I CAN STOP DOUBLE USE TRINKET

[spice surge]

Why would it be simbait

[crisp venture]

i think prism sims lower also bc its not assuming realistic stacks

could be wrong unsure

[warm vortex]

Just bind it to dm

[real granite]

a fine rewarding for me finally breaking the 8m overal barrier

[crisp venture]

is anyone struggling to do good damage in halls of atonement?

[fading echo]

!logreview

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[flint escarp]

is unyelding ok to macro with death mark? is it only a ST trinket or good overall?

[calm wedge]

yeah wonder why as well

it maybe assumes that all mobs are packed

[tawdry root]

Yes the bleed build has very bad single target DPS

[grim jay]

We dont sim dungeon routes for gearing

[grim jay]

Yes you are

[fallen charm]

hey guys can you recomend a good assa streamer/youtuber to watch m+ pls?

[grim jay]

Casualaddict streams sin sometimes

[grim jay]

2.5m is pretty low

Definitely room for improvement