assassination

[prime hull]

and then i have deathmark available with no kingsbane for 20s haha

[neat rain]

Wait Master assassin isn't talented I'd know if I was logged in

[gritty laurel]

then vanish isn't part of your opener unless you play fatebound

[midnight mist]

ye but they fixed it dont worry

[prime hull]

We need a wowhead post about these bugs like other discords do

[analog field]

i have done some bosses lfr etc, and it hasn't happened today for me

[neat rain]

Shit you're right Master Assassin isn't talented I've been trolling my opener all raid

[analog field]

but you need vanish for coins

even if you had master assasin

[neat rain]

I play DS

[shrewd grotto]

ds is gross

[gritty laurel]

yeah FB is objectively better on like 5of the fights, and with DS funnel being bugged it's probably better to run on araz for ease of use

[neat rain]

Ur gross U got duh buggies!

[prime hull]

Im still sad we need to apply the mark via stealth and then i do eco dome and the 2nd boss perma removes my mark every 30s when he goes lizard -> human -> lizard -> human haha

[coral ibex]

track the intermission timer

and hold DN when it is coming up

[shrewd grotto]

gameplay 😄

[prime hull]

Yeah I can do that but its just really clunky to have to play around this, poor design i think for the mark application

[shrewd grotto]

i wish it was just perma fb, i like the cd timing so much better

[spice surge]

Dont apply it to the human

Just keep it on the lizard

[rose dirge]

hello my wonderful experts, i want to sim for m+, what is the best way to do that?

[coral ibex]

doesnt work like that eleem

when the lizard disappears the mark is yoinked

[spice surge]

Yes

Im aware

[rose dirge]

Yes eco dome second boss can get the dick

[coral ibex]

i mean its definitely better to hold your DN instead of playing with no hero talent for 30s

and then vanishing

[neat rain]

I just thematically and lore wise enjoy DS more plus I loathe RNG in my classes even if you can technically cancel it out with other passives to guarantee your 'coin-flip' it's why I fucking HATE outlaw

[rose dirge]

but its the same for forgeweaver, when the damn turrets just removes your mark completely

[coral ibex]

senor reyes (araz) is a sub boss im afraid

[gritty laurel]

i feel that, but i also like doing 15% more single target damage in raid

[prime hull]

Yeah....

[spice surge]

My point was that to apply the mark to the lizard when both of them are up, not the human

[prime hull]

This season has a lot of awkward interactions that prior seasons did not.

[gritty laurel]

the "lol target didn't actually die get fucked" thing has been a problem since day 1 of TWW

[neat rain]

I'm stuck in my ways and no one can change me

[rose dirge]

anyone?

[prime hull]

Dungeonslice with no raid buffs except bloodlust

[old obsidian]

Hey brothers! a question, my head is exploding with two activatable trinkets... one that increases stats every 2 minutes and the other Unyielding, I try and try but I can't use the second one correctly, how do you do it? I try to use it with Vanish with Fate... and it always ends up activating the first one with DM and I have to activate it manually... and it's giving me shoot me....

[gritty laurel]

the best way to avoid that is to not play double on use

[neat rain]

Double use trinket is ucky

[gritty laurel]

but if you're giga unlucky on trinket drops, i guess you could macro one to DM and one to vanish

so they alternate

[prime hull]

you play both trinkets as if they were 3 minute trinkets. First one on pull, netherprism on 1.5mins, first one on 3 mins, netherprism on 4.5 mins, first one on 6 mins, netherprism on 7.5 mins

etc

[old obsidian]

The healthiest thing is to have a second passive like the Antenna which I don't have yet :c

Unyielding is a 20 cd trinket :c

20 segs

[neat rain]

Whats that one passive in Delves? Fragment I think thats a pretty okay passive trinket if you wanna grind out a hero trinket

[prime hull]

no, its a variable cd up to 3 mins

you can keep stacking it higher

(and should)

[gritty laurel]

yeah that'

[prime hull]

18*10 = 180 sec = up to 3 minutes trinket

[gritty laurel]

s the one you macro to vanish and press once per 3 min

just slap the other on DM until you can replace it

[prime hull]

yes i think macroing your 2 mins trinket on DM, and macroing netherprism to vanish should work

[gritty laurel]

brother are you trolling?

you don't have to press it every 20s

in fact that's a dps loss

[prime hull]

But you gain stacks for 180s

you can use it any time

[minor coyote]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[prime hull]

use it with your cooldowns

[old obsidian]

yeah but in that 3 min my macro with mark and trinket go out too

with vanish

[prime hull]

Macro the 2m trinket to deathmark, macro the netherprism with vanish (for raid)

I think trinket ICD should prevent netherprism from being used

[old obsidian]

king vanish envenom

[minor coyote]

whats the lowest M+ you can run

for highest hero gear obtainable?

[prime hull]

10

[minor coyote]

so 10 is the easiest yet the maximum hero u can get

is it what? 3/6?

4/6?

[prime hull]

3/6

[prisma quest]

Just got the soul hunter reshi wrap boots on Hero track, is that big? Better than any other boots until maxed myth track boots or only better thing would be myth track reshi boots?

[prime hull]

I just tested this on a dummy, it works

so just do this for fatebound raid bosses@old obsidian

you dont want the same macro for m+ or playing deathstalker though

[lime onyx]

Soul hunter boots are turbo BiS

[thorny bison]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[minor coyote]

ughm, im kinda confused on how to get the free upgrades (valor stones only)

sometimes i can upgrade for free, sometimes it requires crests

[void pecan]

upgrade stuff, get new gear at a lower level, free upgrades.

[spice surge]

If you have a pair of 704 boots, you can upgrade any boots to 704 without it costing crests

[minor coyote]

but upgrading them to that level does work?

[spice surge]

for rings, weapons and trinkets you need both slots covered to get the upgrade

[minor coyote]

example i make a 704

does that work also?

[neat rain]

^Same applies to rings and trinkets but you need 2 of those I believe

[spice surge]

It doesnt matter how you aquire the gear no

[minor coyote]

aha, got it

[old obsidian]

mega thx

[minor coyote]

so i can upgrade to the highest item level i achieved of that gear piece

[prisma quest]

Thanks guys

[minor coyote]

for valor stones only

[spice surge]

Yes

[minor coyote]

ahaaa... got it

[prime hull]

Is this the only crit/mast ring in the game or what

[minor coyote]

thank you 🫡

[old obsidian]

i try to mega mix max 3 min but i cant

[prime hull]

This thing sims so high for me

[old obsidian]

no with 2 actives trinkets

and thx ❤️

[sharp viper]

it is the only crit mastery ring this season

[granite path]

Yo, sorry if these type of questions pop up too often, but i just started playing my rogue and in my first vault i get to choose between pacemaker or tier chest (both hero track), as a fresh 80 with 2 ethereal voidsplinters which do you reckon is better getting?

[wispy apex]

Hello, sorry if this has been asked before. Is prism bis even in m+?

[unborn rain]

tier chest

[prime hull]

Do we use shiv immediately after kingsbane on fatebound (to hit the cold blood envenoms), or for the last 8 seconds (to minmax kb ticks)?

[drifting cedar]

Is prism and cursed stone idol playable?

[spice spire]

Probably tier chest here, it’s different if it’s mythic and decision harder but here it’s pretty easy

[unborn rain]

im p sure its last 8 seconds unless its dm where u send it all duration

[spice spire]

You can farm hero pace

[spice spire]

Yea

[gritty laurel]

and when it's DM, you shiv before the DM to boost the edge case flips

then the back half after that

[granite path]

alright, thanks a bunch, really appreciate it

[spice spire]

Glhf gamer

[spice spire]

About to shiv your back half to edge you, ya feel me

Sorry the voices won

[hexed harbor]

[cosmic hearth]

whoops

[lavish geyser]

I was simming my vault and it told me to replace waist, is that normal to do so, or did I mess something up perhaps? I thought the belt would be held on for some time. Just did a standart top gear sim

[spice surge]

You probably have lightning rod or something selected in the belt

Instead of a good power

[sturdy herald]

hello hello, i have a question... Cant find an answer about it. Trying fatebound atm and wondering why we have to use vanish before KB CB, why vanish ? It does/gives nothing Oo

[fallow canopy]

double jeopardy hero talent

[sharp viper]

you probably should try to sim again with the belt on Electric Current or Critical Chain. Also upgrade your cloak

[neat remnant]

Double jeopardy to guarantee 7

[lavish geyser]

yeah I have that one. didnt realise it made such a big deal, just saw most ppl had that equipped when I last looked at it

[lavish geyser]

just got on 🙂

[sturdy herald]

Damn... Thx a lot for this answer ! Finally 🤣

[sharp viper]

you can click on the plus in the sim and have it changed that way

[dense cedar]

Vanish Fatebound questions make me insane

[visual sun]

makes you wanna just, vanish?

[crude helm]

Is my parse on plexus GGs if I see the 3rd int?

[minor coyote]

wait what

u can change

i have lighting rod

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-19787475173016375

[minor coyote]

💀

[somber sparrow]

this was my quick sim, https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/32n2fby6WiQn8dnSnH95Sb
and this was my log on loomithar https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vjghc7GdVxTfAZKY?fight=10&type=damage-done&source=23

Did I make some glaring mistakes, I feel like i'm still trying to wrap my head around fatebound. I think I can do the opener without having to think about it, but i know i'm probably wasting combo points.

[shy axle]

do you rupture the other 2 dhs in council fight out of your cds and keep it up, or do you just tunnel one of them and splatter

[neat remnant]

If you’re running bleed you want rupture on all 3

[sleek spear]

hey guys is this the best M+ build for rogue this season?

sorry new to season 3 and just got my 1st vault drop which is a trinket.

so excited to start blasting

[sharp junco]

!loot

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[spice spire]

Holy mother of wasted combopoints

Finish on 5+ dog

[gleaming geyser]

the raid BoE trash ring can roll crit/mast

[spice spire]

You don’t have to go to 7

[novel star]

yes you just play bleed build everywhere :p

have fun

[spice spire]

I will not

[minor coyote]

how can u change the belt's effect 😮 ?

the one we got for free

[novel star]

ligma

big dawg

[spice spire]

Run a delve and insert disc into belt

Right click belt

[sleek spear]

thanks! i love how blindside is actually so good on Single Target.

[spice spire]

Change power

[somber sparrow]

I know I should, but I think that's my hardest thing to just do haha, i need something to just be like, FINISHER!!

[minor coyote]

what disc 😮

[spice spire]

Present them ho

[vivid dune]

Is mythic track cursed stone idol worth taking for m+?

[spice spire]

5+ only in fatebound brain no thinky

[novel star]

dms 😼

[spice spire]

You get it from running delves

[novel star]

jk

[spice spire]

Go to skittering breech and run it

You get a disc at the end

Right click to consume

[novel star]

ur not gettin my nuts

[spice spire]

Then right click belt and select critical chain

[spice spire]

Yeah but ur pops is getting mine

[minor coyote]

OH SHI

[novel star]

Fuck

[spice spire]

[novel star]

[shy axle]

until now i just used the normal st build ds with splatter on council

is a different build recommended now?

[spice spire]

Lot of people have been running m+ talents and it’s been fine.
CT also pretty good there so like there’s a guild that just picks up CT

Lowkey kind of a for fun fight

[dense cedar]

Fatebound for ST fights

[shy axle]

yeah ty but i just meant council

[dense cedar]

ah

[shy axle]

@spice spire ty, good idea

[gritty laurel]

cleave is fine for council, but if you're confident that you can get solid CT uptime it's an option too

[dense cedar]

ye what anti-zac said

[spice spire]

I’m not anti Zac what the helly

[dense cedar]

idk if zac is making anything quake

[gritty laurel]

boy that was a slowpoke reply on my part

[echo heath]

thats what most are running on council

[fallow canopy]

That's exactly what anti zac would say

[spice spire]

Yeah but I know I’m making his pops quake ya feel me

[shy axle]

[broken sandal]

Massivly struggling with ST in M+ Bleed build, are we still noticably behind others atm with this build in ST, cant say im playing rotation significantly wrong if at all

[prisma quest]

!oh

[prisma monolith]

biS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. On top of this, all stats being good on Assassination means there are currently over 500 "BiS" combinations that are within margin of error. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS from world content is especially not helpful, and we do not maintain any lists of these types. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character.

[shy axle]

just normal if you have no adds present/pulled into

[echo heath]

without any kind of log or more info who can say

[broken sandal]

It was a general query really

May log so somone can take a look

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-cat-huh-small-cat-huh-what-gif-2593177363967991691

[mossy sundial]

Fwiw the delve belt was tied with 714 belts for me and was replaced as soon it went past that

With proper effects on

[worn badger]

so now that gamescon is over and people have put together the information that wasn't streamed and we know that major class reworks are coming to make things "approachable" , what do yall think theyll change for Sin ? Has any one seen any leaks from alpha ?

[somber sparrow]

do you think if i fix that problem (might be my deathstalker mindset trying to get to full cp for deathstalkers mark application, which of course doesn't exist on fatebound, but i've been playing deathstalker ONLY since the expansion began) that i'll be closer to my sim

[echo heath]

Theres so much thats going to change between now and the beta its almost not even worth discussing

[spice spire]

Yeah you wasted like 60+ cp not including seal/seal fate

That’s a lot of envenoms missed

[somber sparrow]

it's embarrassing haha

[crisp venture]

if a sim is telling me that the weave beats prism in st, do i just take that as it is or is there nuance with prism such as assuming no stacks

in the sim

[echo heath]

There's always nuance in sims but it shows that on average that trinket will outperform the other

if you struggle with using hte prism trinket properly it might not be your bis

[crisp venture]

im fine with it, it's jsut the sim is telling me weave is better

so im wondering if i should use that

instead

[main bridge]

Prism takes time to ramp up too. 3m I believe

So if your sim duration is too short it might be misleading

[novel star]

st just kinda sucks

[crisp venture]

its 5 min

[fallow canopy]

Are they the same ilvl?

[novel star]

make sure youre maintaining crimson tempest

[crisp venture]

yep

both prism and weave

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t785rpkgtGsoioeZgZrfAz

[novel star]

envenom is a terrible button that doesnt do anything so if youre dropping ct to press envenom for any reason other than darkest night dont do that

[peak helm]

!bugs

[novel star]

thats about it tho

[echo heath]

if you're not going to trust your sim then its a pointless discussion

[fallow canopy]

Oh m+ build

[novel star]

you kinda just keep bleeds up and afk and do bad damage because the build does bad st

and then you move on

[peak helm]

we think blizz going to do anything about the bugs or wut https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy3vDx7jKD0

Everyone just switch to outlaw, right?

[blazing roost]

is antenna from lomithar still good?

[echo heath]

its still bis

[peak helm]

3% can't dethrone the goat

[blazing roost]

is it worth to take it from the vault over 4 set?

[echo heath]

i would take 4 piece first

unless you think youre gonna get it in loot council

also remember, xmog lasts forever

[blazing roost]

nah the rogue is alt for splits

i will never get it

[echo heath]

take the 4 piece now then

[marsh topaz]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[fallow canopy]

I'd take antenna, you can get tier from anywhere, you run a few m+ get a piece catalyze and boom

(On the long run)

[echo heath]

Antenna is pretty nice, its up 30+% of the time on fights

thats a lot of crit

[deep gyro]

Finally a true rogue player

[red schooner]

Myth tier play it is, I'd take the idol but channelling sounds lame

[analog field]

yeah its a bit weird with the gcd

i had to press it 2-3 times to chanel

[cyan dew]

Dos anyone has a WA that can track prism?

[red schooner]

I ain't about that life, probs just gonna grab myth track gloves and forget about it

[marsh fjord]

I just payed someone 400k for a LFR atenna trinket 💀

[pliant remnant]

https://wago.io/pHqi38fb7

[cyan dew]

thanks!

[pliant remnant]

A fool and his money are soon parted

[red schooner]

Okay sweet, the stone idol is simming as a loss, NO GUILT FOR IGNORING IT

[onyx pond]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[dense cedar]

why are you simming the bleed build for ST?

[onyx pond]

does anyone have the tricks macro that does not require focus?

[dense cedar]

?

[burnt star]

U mean the one with the w.a?

[onyx pond]

it requires wa??

[spice spire]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[dense cedar]

you can just have a mouseover tricks macro

same as any other mouseover one

[main bridge]

the WA is way better

it's not hard to set up

[burnt star]

Yes. Smart redirect one

[charred mango]

"Swapping from Sub to Fatebound Assa breaks cold blood macros because it's not the same cold blood. Need to relog to fix it"

Does this bug happen every time or is it just a chance to happen when swapping from sub to FB Assa? i swapped a bunch between the two last night but didnt notice if the macro was broken or not

[burnt star]

Even works with brann now

[spice spire]

I hate brann tho so

[burnt star]

It bug from assa to sub

Also

Did a whole reclear with 0 cb on my sub

[novel star]

just get the weakaura

[charred mango]

oh so if we macro'd sub's secret technique with CB thats what breaks? I dont use that macro so might be why i didnt notice anything

[onyx pond]

i imported the wa and the macro. Do i need anything else?

[burnt star]

Only cb macro breaks

Not natty click

[charred mango]

but the assa CB + kingsbane macro should be fine then? or does it go both ways with any cb macro

[burnt star]

Well. In sub channel it says from assa to sub. What u repost say sub to assa.

I was relogging when going from sub to assa. So not sure if its both way sinnce i saw this post about sub to assa

But it did bug when going assa to sub without relogging

[charred mango]

okay i guess ill just keep an eye on it next raid

[burnt star]

Not home so cant test

I got the w.a now

Wont happen again

[main bridge]

Check the linked page from the bot

[novel dragon]

channeling is lame but you can actually move while its casting

[barren yarrow]

Why do we vanish after CB on fate

[novel dragon]

still annoying but not as bad

[novel dragon]

fatebound hero talents read them

[analog field]

it was annoying needing to press it 3 times

otherwise it could be ok

[main bridge]

Double Jeopardy

[barren yarrow]

not at a computer dick

[barren yarrow]

Thank you

[novel dragon]

You are typing on discord- you are either on a computer or a mobile phone with access to the talent tree. I don't know what the talent is called but there is one in there that says "the first coin flips out of stealth... blah blah"

It's also in the pins of this discord channel

[barren yarrow]

You’re insane lol

ggs

[novel dragon]

lmao what?

[idle crane]

Hey, read through the wowhead guide just looking for confirmation I’m not missing something, for M+ DS Bleed build, tier set does not change how we play at all right?

[barren yarrow]

Yo act like you are the answering guru wtf is wrong with you

[main bridge]

it's really not insane to expect you to read your talents or pins or anything at all

[barren yarrow]

I didn’t realize I can’t ask question here

[analog field]

bro you asked a question that 10000 people ask everyday, imagine if all these people stopped doing that

[barren yarrow]

🤷🏽‍♂️

[novel dragon]

You can, I answered. "Why do we vanish in fatebound?" - hey the answer is in your hero talent tree is an answer

[analog field]

how better the life of the people that have to answer this question

[barren yarrow]

then make a section for questions don’t get mad

[analog field]

there are pins

[barren yarrow]

oh wait none of you are mods

[analog field]

that have links to guides

[main bridge]

that's the pins lmao

[barren yarrow]

ok I’ll still ask a question if I can’t find the answer

thank you

[analog field]

yeah but that doesn't make the other guy dick

it makes you

you can search the word

and you will see that literally every 20 min this question is asked

[marsh fjord]

Holmes why are you always starting fights in here bro seen you be in an arguement 4 times this week 💀💀

[novel dragon]

sure but you don't get to call people dicks or call them insane when people point you to the resources that have the answer

[barren yarrow]

Well it’s not in the pics

[bright trellis]

Rawr

[barren yarrow]

Pins

I just checked there’s nothing about using vanish in the pins.

idk what you want me todo

thanks for being helpful! Yay

[marsh fjord]

You wanna know why we vanish?

[barren yarrow]

The only thing it says is hold vanish for the damage amp

[marsh fjord]

Or what is the question

[barren yarrow]

that doesn’t explain why we use it in the opener and I can’t find it on the guide. But people came at me like I committed a crime. So nvm.

[bright trellis]

Master Assasin

Go read your talent tree

[analog field]

we don't play master assassin in FB atm

[bright trellis]

I don’t play that stupid shit

I have no idea

[analog field]

but you can search the talents and see which ones are associated to stealth

[cunning needle]

Being told to read your talents is hardly an accusation of crime

[fallow canopy]

all good at least you didnt ask if we are still bugged

[analog field]

a guy named whispyr made a 3hour video so you dont come here asking

[barren yarrow]

so why have a class discord then if no one is willing to answer questions…

Would rather just get mad and tell them to look at the talents

[bright trellis]

We should delete it like paladin

[main bridge]

someone get this guy therapy, someone told him to read his talents!!! he will never be the same

[analog field]

DUDE SEARCH VANISH

[barren yarrow]

I just can’t read them at the moment because I’m at work and I can’t get wow head to work

[analog field]

it is unbelievable how some guys are so entitled

search in chat

[bright trellis]

Get back to work

[main bridge]

can you imagine if someone told him to read his abilities?

[analog field]

you will find the answer 100000 times

[barren yarrow]

On break

[bright trellis]

No breaks

[fallow canopy]

no need to be dicks to the guy ngl

[barren yarrow]

oh god

dude just nvm

I’ll try to find it

[novel dragon]

Okay. You asked a question. We told you to read the hero talents of fatebound. There is literally 1 out of those 10 that has remotely anything to do with stealth. Surely you would see why we vanish during the CD window.

^ Your response to this was to call this discord insane and all dicks lmao. No one has a problem with you asking. But if you rage when we don't explicitly answer and send you to the answer instead, that's where you'll get some resistance.

[barren yarrow]

mb

[unreal tide]

Why do we vanish at work?

[bright trellis]

To poop

[cunning needle]

There is when he's crashing out for being told to just read his talents

[barren yarrow]

Or you can just tell me because I can’t read the talents right now

[wanton ruin]

Wait. We have talents?

[bright trellis]

I don’t have any talent

[cunning needle]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-avengers-endgame-old-man-i-dont-think-i-will-gif-14669627

[slate crown]

Toe be fair he called you insane.

not the whole discord

[bright trellis]

I am insane

[wanton ruin]

My mom said I was special. Is that my talent?

[barren yarrow]

I just hate that every time I come to my class discord people have a problem with questions being asked

and I can’t find it and I’m sorry I’m not at my computer and I can’t load wowhead at the moment

[bright trellis]

This a source material database, use it

[slate crown]

Also yes, people should read their talents and skills. But because someone asks a question does not mean that you need to start a crusade against them for not reading talents. It happens, this is a discord. Get over yourselves, it's not a big deal.

[fallow canopy]

I feel like if answering a basic question is gonna annoy you just don't, other people will answer eventually

and yes

[cunning needle]

Learn to ask better questions

[fallow canopy]

the other guy called him a dick

also not the best way to reciprocate

[main bridge]

i think people mostly have an problem with that guy for calling people names when they suggest reading pins/talents/etc

[cunning needle]

And learn to educate yourself better

[barren yarrow]

OK, but people automatically attacked me so what do you want me to do?

[bright trellis]

Rawr scratch

[slate crown]

Not respond

[barren yarrow]

fair

[cunning needle]

Not crash out when being told to read talents

[west crown]

People have a problem with stupid questions, not questions in general

[slate crown]

You always have the option to not respond

[analog field]

idk i am feeling like a psycho that i use the search function and find most of the answers

[chrome crow]

Sorry for breaking up this meaningful discussion but question if you don't mind 🙂 Loved my rogue in past expansions, assasination is still by far my favorite rogue spec. Do not have 4pc yet but hope to get it this week. When i was just doing some LFR, i CONSTANTLY felt energy starved. Is that just common between thistle tea uses and pooling for cooldowns? Is there a way to stop thistle tea from auto proccing at 30 energy?

[cunning needle]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[chrome crow]

ty

[cunning needle]

And no. Tea is auto cast

Just seethe and cope

[chrome crow]

D:

i hate you for that answer

lol

[cunning needle]

Unluggy

[barren yarrow]

oh look someone didn’t automatically attack him lol. Good job.

[cunning needle]

Yeah he asked it better

[barren yarrow]

Hahahaha

ok

[chrome crow]

i think everything started with you calling someone a dick for saying to look at your talents. Had you not reacted in such a way, this conversation probably would have never happened

[barren yarrow]

ok I got wowhead to work

[fallow canopy]

it takes 2 to tango as they say

[slate crown]

People that do this aren't asking the questions and thus you don't see them. The fact that you feel like a psycho for doing this (presumably because you're implying you are the only one that does this based on this conversation) is sampling bias.

[barren yarrow]

how can I read this

[cunning needle]

We're generally rather helpful here

[wanton spear]

the real question is, "did he go look at his talents?"

[cunning needle]

Also icyveins might have another way to view

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[barren yarrow]

So we should only use it every three minutes

So this

[fallow canopy]

correct

[analog field]

but instead of telling this guy to do it we tell him ah it's ok, while it is not

[novel dragon]

Yes because fatebound 4pc will make your DM/KB burst windows happen now every 1.5 minutes and with vanish on a 2 minute timer its now de-synced. So you'll hold vanish for an extra minute for the burst window.

[barren yarrow]

Ok so vanish in the beginning and again at 3 minutes.

[idle iris]

need help settling an arguement, do groups running with an assa allow combat to drop for restealths? or are we supposed to just use vanish wisely. noticing a big difference in overall when im allowed to get restealths.

[barren yarrow]

Ok even if your CDs are off?

[analog field]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[barren yarrow]

I meant off cooldown you just wait for vanish?

[fallow canopy]

no, you vanish with deathmark

it should line up naturally

[cunning needle]

Use vanish offensively and as required

[barren yarrow]

ok

[fallow canopy]

since you become a 90sec spec

[cunning needle]

Also dont be afraid to leave a pack so you can restealth

If its about to die

[coral ibex]

people go crazy bc not only can you find the answer via discord search "fatebound vanish" you can also find it in the guide which is linked in the pins

[fallow canopy]

pins? what are those

[cunning needle]

Your overall will be lower but the key will be done quicker

[coral ibex]

[fallow canopy]

tbh not a lot of people are discord savvy for that kinda thing

[warm vortex]

Do we oly chase the antenna balls if they are in melee range

Otherwise let them come?

[barren yarrow]

Yeah I am not lol I’ll learn

[cunning needle]

Discord on mobile sucks

[barren yarrow]

true

[slate crown]

Except it is. This is a class discord. People ask questions that are already answered all the time, it came free with your internet. Sometimes it's easier to ask than to search for the information. This puts a burden on the people in the channel to answer something someone already put work into. But if that annoys you, guess what, you can just ignore the question. You don't have to answer. Nobody is forcing you to type the same answer. Someone responded "Double Jeopardy" to the question that was asked within 60 seconds, which answers the question, and that was that, the conversation should have ended there. The rest of this was just ego nonsense.

[analog field]

if you narrow it to vanish, you get this

[coral ibex]

can we just get a !vanish command

please

[analog field]

i kind of disagree coz double jeopardy is not an answer

[coral ibex]

double jeopardy is the answer

[analog field]

if i haven't tried i will ask ok what is double jeopardy

[coral ibex]

the text of the talent explains why you vanish

[analog field]

or is it ok then to tell him go read your talents?

[cunning needle]

Double jeopardy is a legal principle that protects individuals from being prosecuted twice for the same offense after they have been convicted or acquitted.

[coral ibex]

they can use second stage thinking to look it up themselves

[analog field]

otherwise you are obliged then to explain each talent one by one and while you can do it, people should understand that they should not ask for this

[coral ibex]

after being told the answer

[novel dragon]

I mean the guy asking said he couldn't see the talent tree and had no access to a computer- so you have to assume the guy asking just knows all the hero talents and their names off the top of his head? lmao

The name of the talent is imo not an answer

[languid gate]

Chest Set Piece is kinda meh right?

[slate crown]

It's something for him to look up later.

[coral ibex]

you can't be on discord without a computer

[analog field]

if you want to answer do it as a command would with 10 lines of text

[slate crown]

You're over assuming your responsibility.

[warm vortex]

Still curious :D

[coral ibex]

if you can be on discord you can be on wowhead barring regional restrictions

[novel dragon]

But so it "go check the fatebound hero talents" - it's something to look up. I didn't know the name of the talent. I just know its one of those talents lol

[slate crown]

And that's fine.

[west crown]

Looking at wowhead on a phone is quite a hassle

[barren yarrow]

Look man. I’ll improve and I’ll read then when I get home. I appreciate your assistance.

[slate crown]

^This is also true (Wowhead on phone)

[fallow canopy]

it is, and discord also sucks dicks on mobile

[west crown]

Nah discord is fine on mobile if all you want to do is chat and look at pins

[coral ibex]

i can also argue that if you can't read talents on wowhead you dont really need an immediate answer and can wait to look it up later

[barren yarrow]

Yeah wowhead isn’t mobile friendly.

[coral ibex]

its not like you are on your pc needing to know immediately bc you are playing the game

[cunning needle]

Just know even if it seems like it, none of this was really personal. You are not the first or the last person to come here asking a question that's been asked 50000 times before

[coral ibex]

im pretty sure i answered this question 3 times yesterday

[frigid lagoon]

why does the assassination bis gear list use deathstalker

[coral ibex]

i have the talent screenshotted

[frigid lagoon]

on wowhead

[barren yarrow]

At the end of the day it’s just a question. But I’ll improve. Thank you.

[west crown]

Yeah but I’m at work trying to figure out why I 50 parsed last night!

[humble verge]

@maiden sierra starting to add sound alerts now lmao

[barren yarrow]

sorry for being rude

[cunning needle]

People just get frustrated at seeing questions that can be solved by reading guides that have a lot of effort put into them

[warm vortex]

Tbh people in here can be grumpy, dw about it

[west crown]

You weren’t the first, last, or worst. You’re fine

[wanton ruin]

!weakauras

[slate crown]

Yes, and it's also important for people here to recognize that this is the role of channels like this. Someone asking these questions is not forcing the channel through some tribulation. It's ok for people to ask short questions even if they're answered by talent details. Someone may be happy to answer

And if nobody is happy to answer, just don't, it's fine

[slate crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[wanton ruin]

Thank you!

[unreal tide]

Why do you care about a BIS list is a much better question

[slate crown]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. On top of this, all stats being good on Assassination means there are currently over 500 "BiS" combinations that are within margin of error. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS from world content is especially not helpful, and we do not maintain any lists of these types. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character.

[slate crown]

(i.e. don't worry about it)

[coral ibex]

there are hundreds of valid gear combinations that sim within margin of error at max ilvl

wowhead has bis lists because people google "wow tww season 3 assassination rogue bis gear"

and wowhead wants to be the #1 search result

[cunning needle]

Whispyr_secondary_stats.jpg

[coral ibex]

they're for SEO only

dont look at them

[spice spire]

I’m looking

[coral ibex]

dont!!!

close your eyes

[tawny yoke]

guys is Assa still good ? people are saying its bugged

[slate crown]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[coral ibex]

assa is bugged

[slate crown]

don't gaslight me

[coral ibex]

and is also still good

dont listen to the tank ttv'er who spoke out of his ass

[spice spire]

I’m tryna girlboss you so hard queen

[coral ibex]

[cunning needle]

The term is actually gaslamp. Gaslights didn't exist back then

[spice spire]

Tell her

[coral ibex]

lamp deez

[restive crater]

Atleast they fixed the tooltip from BP to CT.

[slate crown]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-feline-cute-close-up-gif-17802459

[fallow canopy]

Did they actually?

[restive crater]

Yup

[spice spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1357017048483631177/1403259473023205487/ezgif-60d90e8b5adbe6.gif

[slate crown]

god bless, yoink

[tawny yoke]

how is it even bugged ?

[coral ibex]

check pins

[cunning needle]

[gentle helm]

Hey guys do we have like a pin or something that explains when the bugs will be fixed

[cunning needle]

Sometime between now and the end of time

[sharp viper]

sadly no such pin exists

[cunning needle]

Hope this helps

[gentle helm]

It does! Thank you

[slate crown]

I'll get right on that phoning up John Blizzard and asking for the patch date.

[wanton ruin]

I always call Henry Blizzard.

[slate crown]

Is that why they stopped answering my letters? Fuck

[analog field]

i think 4p bug is fixed

[wanton ruin]

Telegraphs work really well

[gentle helm]

No need, thats my dad, he said the patch is never coming out and you should reroll ret pally

[slate crown]

Thanks for following up for us, one less task for me.

It's ok I already rerolled resto shaman

[spice spire]

And havoc

[slate crown]

AND HAVOC

[quiet oriole]

I thought this disc was for amusement not information

[marsh fjord]

It isn’t

[slate crown]

I don't like talking about my Havoc because of the stinky reputation they apparently have cultivated

[sharp viper]

you are still welcome and appreciated here despite being a stinking warglaive thief

[hexed harbor]

did they fix assa bugs ?

someone just said they fixed something

[edgy mauve]

pin

[novel star]

[slate crown]

Hey the first warglaives I got were on my rogue

[hexed frost]

using shiv when darkest night is up is a no no right?

[hexed harbor]

oops im one of those guys now

[ember storm]

just a question, why use mana oils instead of whetstone? better stats for the bleeds? (m+ mostly)

[novel star]

please just nerf us to the ground i cant handle another fotm typer

holy fuck

[slate crown]

The two give different sets of stats, the math makes number bigger for one than the other . You can sim each and see

[ember storm]

age old answer: sim

my bad and ty

[slate crown]

I don't have a more logical answer than number 1 bigger than number 2

[ember storm]

ye, fair point

[humble verge]

uh

how do i add an alert to my shadowstep so it plays a sound when i use it

🤨

[analog field]

ok just saying because i have tried like 10 times and never desynced

[red schooner]

Trying it now. So far we are 1/1 for not bugged.

[slate crown]

if you have a cd aura for it conditions when charges = 0, charges = 1 play sound.

Conditions evaluate only when the overall state changes. So it won't repeatedly play while on cooldown, only once it enters that state from being not in that state.

Or Combat log trigger on spell cast success, but that involves adding an extra trigger if you already have one for cooldown

[humble verge]

yeah i realized that when i added the sound

[red schooner]

Nah its still bugged.

[slate crown]

you're a liar

[humble verge]

it depends

[humble verge]

if ure answering me

on a question

thats different

[red schooner]

Second time I tried it on the dummies it desynced.

[humble verge]

but u asked for it

[red schooner]

I wanted to believe

I shouldn't have believed

[humble verge]

but like

adding the sound here does nothing anyways

[keen spruce]

pedro don't stop

also

how do you click into a channel and go straight to where someone @'d you

[red schooner]

[keen spruce]

I had to scroll

[humble verge]

it has a cooldown condition

[woven folio]

should rupture be topping my breakdown on ST? or is it showing that way on sims because of it counting other things along ?

[slate crown]

I said conditions, not actions. Actions show/hide are when the overall aura appears/hides, if it's already on screen as a cd tracker action won't play

[humble verge]

yeah

it has one

but can i add a condition here then

that would play the sound

on use

[slate crown]

Yeah

[sharp viper]

go to mentions in the top right

[red schooner]

I shall go post my atonement pedro

[slate crown]

That uh, seems like a fairly overloaded aura for just shadowstep, why is there custom code going on here 🤨

[humble verge]

no idea, its a private weakaura that has been tinkered with

[woven folio]

should rupture be topping my breakdown on ST? or is it showing that way on sims because of it counting other things along ?

[humble verge]

and then i got it

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/bun-collar-worker-bunny-digging-cute-rabbit-teeth-gif-9050381026307761669

i never seen that

I scrolled from 11pm to 6am

[red schooner]

You're now caught up on the channel lore though

[keen spruce]

through hundreds of bug questions and a full whispyr crashout

[red schooner]

So like

[mossy sundial]

Any of yall tried sin vs sub on forge yet? Logs definitely leaning to sub

[keen spruce]

and all of the vaults

[humble verge]

wait

[clever sparrow]

How to get good on raid without doing it?

[humble verge]

is this the righ

condition

maybe?

[clever sparrow]

i know mechanic but i want to know how to parse

[main bridge]

do more damage

[analog field]

if i hover over the spell it shows the true cd right ? so if it says 1.5 it is 1.5 ?

[royal lantern]

i mean, parse and "good in raid" is allready 2 different things lol

[glass ice]

do the rotation until you are falling asleep doing it or sth

[royal lantern]

mfs think that personal performance plays a big role in parses in 2025

[humble verge]

oooo

i made it work

[royal lantern]

just highroll all your procs and get good killtimers + aoe padding

[humble verge]

@slate crown :D

nvm

[glad tusk]

Yo guys, rotation wise, how do we handle giga big pulls? Like first pull in eco. Do we garrote everything, or just garrote rupture rupture garrote into caustic envenom cds spam?

[glass ice]

buuuut your personal performance impacts the team performance, with that mindset just go buy runs from boosters discord tbh

[royal lantern]

thats a kinda weird stretch, ngl

[glass ice]

true mb

[humble verge]

ok

[slate crown]

You want Charge Numbers or On CD. It's a bit tricky because step has 2 charges. But this is where you'd do it, yes.

[humble verge]

i think ive figured it out

[slate crown]

And the only reason I'm saying those is to save you an extra trigger on combat log tracking

[clever sparrow]

the point is
IDK WHEN TO CD

[slate crown]

If you want a foolproof way, that's the way to do it

[clever sparrow]

like should i throw them on cooldown no matter what?

[humble verge]

this also worked

[sharp viper]

aww man I missed the full crashout

[slate crown]

just means an extra trigger on combat log which is not ideal

[glass ice]

take this one for example xd, his ilvl parse will be 6, but he got 10 bcs other's personal performance is better

[humble verge]

extra trigger on combat log

wass?

[fallow canopy]

you can check lorrgs.io and see what the big dawgs are doing

[slate crown]

Add Trigger, type Combat Log, Spell Cast Success -> Shadowstep

[fallow canopy]

just be mindful that timers may vary as people get more gear and stuff

[clever sparrow]

wtf is this site

[keen spruce]

it was justified lmao

[clever sparrow]

Got it

[keen spruce]

wasn't really even a crashout

[humble verge]

oh yeah

[sharp viper]

are the bugs fixed yet?

[humble verge]

theres no way to add sound here tho

to the trigger

[slate crown]

It's not in the trigger, it's that you add an extra trigger, then make a condition based off of that new trigger you added

[humble verge]

ohhh

ok

[slate crown]

But, what you did with Since Charge Lost works too

[marsh fjord]

did LFR half hour ago and it kept desyncing

[sharp trellis]

If you want to play for raid (fatebound ) and m+ in high content , what do you believe would be the most ideal compromise to max in term of enchant / gems / opti , mastery or crit ? a little bit of both ?

[slate crown]

I would recommend keeping your approach as you did here instead of combat log

[flint escarp]

when do we pop tempered in m+?

[humble verge]

hmmm

[clever sparrow]

when we want to kill a pack

😄

[humble verge]

what am i putting in the If seciton tho

it doesnt seem to trigger it

[flint escarp]

hehe yes but just anytime in the rotation? 😄

[sharp junco]

could somebody look at my mythic plus log to see if you can stop some fixable issues right off the bat?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PBkKVWMX67dnL39b?fight=last&source=4&type=damage-done

[clever sparrow]

With Dm

bigger pack bigger impact

[flint escarp]

thanks!

[slate crown]

I would just make Since Charge Lost >= 0.1 (so that the condition has a moment to evaluate to false, so it can re-trigger)

[humble verge]

oh nvm

i forgot to

make the Active statement

True

[maiden sierra]

Lets fucking go

[slate crown]

If you were to do a combat log trigger, you would mark the combat log trigger as having a duration (at the bottom of the trigger) of 0.5 seconds, then in conditions, simply do if active

[maiden sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/chiikawa-hachiware-usagi-power-gif-10522186017110445411

[humble verge]

its working now tho

atleast

alright

3 customs sounds

1 for frontals

[frozen otter]

any chance they fixed assasinations bugs?

[humble verge]

1 for lingering

and last one for step

[humble verge]

pin

[woven folio]

should rupture be topping my breakdown on ST? or is it showing that way on sims because of it counting other things along ?

[frozen otter]

so no?

[red schooner]

Don't make me tap the pin again

[frozen otter]

sorry i havent been for long in rogues discord, i dont understand how things work here

[dense cedar]

works like all discord servers

[frozen otter]

i seen the bugs explained, i dont see any note for fixing them

[red schooner]

Give a man the answer to the question, they're sated for a minute. Teach a man to read the pins... they'll probably ask anyhow fuck it we ball.

[frozen otter]

ive been to warriors, no, the work different

[dense cedar]

their server has the pin feature disabled?

[humble verge]

isen't.... that..... quite..... obvious....................?

[dense cedar]

the legit first pin the the list directly says they aren't fixed

[red schooner]

But yeah, pins. Good resource. When there's a fix, pins will be updated.

Read the pins. Good place to look.

[frozen otter]

no , theres no info pinned

[dense cedar]

???????????????????

[main bridge]

perception check failed

[red schooner]

(This isn't meant as a thing against you, you're just the like, fiftieth person to ask this?)

[dense cedar]

bait used to be believable

[burnt turret]

!loot

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[compact plover]

he's almost def ESL chill

[red schooner]

So you're taking the brunt for the 49 before you

[frozen otter]

yep... 0 pins. it has a different channel all together for news, info etc

[slate crown]

🤨

[red schooner]

[dense cedar]

double lying

ban this guy

[compact plover]

reee

[dense cedar]

send him to the Maw

[sharp trellis]

If you want to play for raid (fatebound ) and m+ in high content , what do you believe would be the most ideal compromise to max in term of enchant / gems / opti , mastery or crit ? a little bit of both ?

[slate crown]

Well we have pins here (as do they but that's a different story). Look at them to see the updates on the bugs (They aren't fixed)

[warped marlin]

Do we ever replace Jastor Diamond? The Mastery Stat is still sick in S3!

[slate crown]

Pins: #assassination message

[red schooner]

You just need to program Moroes to randomly say 'Pins' sometimes and I think we're covered.

[frozen otter]

yeah i meant that they have a different channel only for news, no need to go to the pins but yeah, immature king of comedy gaming community.. always a pleasure to meet you

[sharp junco]

!loot

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[frozen iris]

Not sure if you guys want to add to it but heres an active thread on the bugs list https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/assassination-rogue-bugs/2156973/12

[reef aspen]

Are there no mythic BoE's this season?

[slate crown]

Great to meet you too, hope you find the information we've shared helpful.

[sharp trellis]

If you want to play for raid (fatebound ) and m+ in high content , what do you believe would be the most ideal compromise to max in term of enchant / gems / opti , mastery or crit ? a little bit of both ?

[frozen iris]

Are you wanting to m+ in FB?

[river vapor]

Sorry if already mentioned, what is the current total dps loss for sin with these bugs?

[frozen iris]

Is that what your asking?

[sharp trellis]

no i am asking fatebound want crit , deathstalker m+ go for mastery, what is best compromise

if want both

[slate crown]

I think they're asking that they want to raid as fatebound, and also do high M+ as deathstalker, and don't want to swap enchants around every time they go between content for optimal stats, so what do people run as a middle ground between those two modes without losing too much to either.

(I don't have an answer)

[frozen iris]

It largely doesnt matter from what Whispyr has said. They are all relatively close to each other.

[echo heath]

the answer is obviously versatility

[sharp junco]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[sharp junco]

!mastery

[lament bolt]

I think there was a "stats don't matter and I hate you all" section of Whispyr's big assassination video that basically said that

[sharp junco]

how much mastery do we aim at?

I have 13k atm 🙁

[echo heath]

until sims tell you not to

[frozen iris]

We dont aim for any of it. Just try to get gear with Master and Crit

[slate crown]

You typed a command and it gave you an answer saying to literally not ask the question you then proceeded to ask

[runic hinge]

you literally just pinged the command??????

[slate crown]

🙂

[runic hinge]

okay gn

[slate crown]

gn tony

[sharp junco]

well im stupid, what can i say

[slate crown]

all good me too

[dense anvil]

You sim the potential upgrade, number goes up put it on, number goes down don't put it in

[exotic pulsar]

just go mastery so you can swap sub if you feel like it

[sharp trellis]

yeah nice call

[echo heath]

nobody should ever do that

[fallow canopy]

who isn't tbh

[echo heath]

fuck sub

[exotic pulsar]

people are so weirdly tribalistic even on spec choice lol

[echo heath]

if you played sub in burning crusade youd understand

[exotic pulsar]

I've played rogue since 2004

[echo heath]

then you should understand how they've butchered that spec

its a tragedy

same with combat

[slate crown]

can't stop living in the past the future is now old rogue move on

smh

[exotic pulsar]

what? rogue in tbc was just a hemo bot with glaves, played more like a fury warrior

was not good class fantasy

[echo heath]

harp maces was amazing

[echo heath]

get off my lawn!

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/elrond-lotr-lord-of-the-tings-lord-elrond-3000years-gif-13229890

[lyric crater]

I LOVE BUGS they are the best haha o well is what it is atm

[lavish geyser]

would anyone be able to tell me, why im the other rogue (mightlinger) is doing 1 mil more st then me? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gzBZr1NKkdpHv3a8?fight=12&type=damage-done

even on the opener he is just bursting waay more then me, with like a mil dps

[brisk path]

do we treat prism as 2 min trinket with bleed build?

[golden loom]

well he is 4 ilvl higher than you, has a lily so he has a trinket on opener and he has the 3% damage buff while you dont

[lavish geyser]

shit, didnt know there was a 3% dmg buff. i have lily as well, should I use that one instead?

[golden loom]

well prism is gonna be better most of the time but if we talking about something like opener burst then ofc lily smashes it

[subtle oyster]

prism pulls ahead the longer the fight is essentially

[echo heath]

he has better trinkets, he got more casts of envenom and mutilate off and he has better stats for fatebound

[true rapids]

you also missed a cold blood cast and while small you are spending some energy on feint while he is not

[craggy lintel]

Hey guys, sorry for the stupid question. Im gearing my rogue currently an try to get the disc effect thingies, it says i just have to do Delve x but after 7 times it still didnt drop, are they not available anymore?

[main bridge]

It’s an item in your bags you have to use

[craggy lintel]

Youre actually the goat, ty

[main bridge]

It’s a really dumb design that confuses a lot of people

[analog field]

also uses mana oil

[round fjord]

Random question, does last wing of RF gives rep??

[unreal tide]

Not if you're already capped for the week

[analog field]

also has boots

[tawdry gorge]

Is there still an issue with jastor diamond? Sims higher but im not sure if it's the play due to bugs

[echo heath]

https://tenor.com/view/break-fast-club-nose-pen-gif-10575485

[jaunty kayak]

is it worth rupturing the adds on soulbinder heroic?

for sniping

[nocturne quail]

Yea

Worth

[drowsy geyser]

Got this Myth Wrists in vault, but have crafted one with embelishment, should i recraft something like boots to embelishment and use the myth wrists when i upgrade them past 720ilvl?

[nocturne quail]

Boots from raid probably better because they make wraps better

[echo heath]

sim them and find out

[analog field]

but also boots not good

coz the soul hunters one

maybe a neck or ring could work

but also do you have a spark ?

[lyric vale]

ok ok

is sudden bug or somthing

where are u my boy

[drowsy geyser]

not yet

[lyric crater]

from what i heard yes not working right

[frozen iris]

Check the pins my friend. I believe it is listed there

But yeah its bugged

[lyric vale]

pfft back to old friend sub ig

[analog field]

in dungeons it works ok

[royal lantern]

found the outlaw player

[lyric vale]

hmm 300m in halls feel like low no

[pulsar coral]

rip my top 100 soul hunters parse fell to 126

[round fjord]

ull loose a spark?

[drowsy geyser]

i would recraft when i got the third spark, this is futureproofing the item, since its a myth

or no?

[analog field]

what key

[analog field]

i dont think the 723 without embelisshment is better than 720

[main bridge]

Fortunately you don’t have to think about it and you can just sim

[coral ibex]

SD is just damage reclamation via execute, if you want it to be higher you have to play around it

and that is dubious at best

refresh your bleeds

shiv when mobs are close to dying

you'll get larger demise procs

i dont usually get more than 3-5% of my overall as SD procs tho

[analog field]

but still the sim will not give the info needed, like in a macroscopic point of view.

[main bridge]

It definitely gives the info needed for your question

[analog field]

the question tho is not if the wrists 723 is better than 720 in absolution

it is how to proceed with such vault

[visual sun]

Zoom in on the sim page before simming

[vestal granite]

My Current Top Gear Sims for Fatebound suggest almost entirely no vers (700 total) is this normal/expected?

[analog field]

because if we want the biggest dps increase just craft chest but obviously this is sus at best

[keen spruce]

Stats do t matter

Don’t

[vestal granite]

I have many options to swap around, same itemlevel and it sims 0,2% dps better

[keen spruce]

Well there question is kind of just approaching the “how should I play the game” kind of area

Their*

[gray raven]

belts get replaced aroind 710ish?

[lyric vale]

yeah i noticed it too ty tho these are the things that i dont do anymore so thats fair

[analog field]

i agree that's why the answer is not a clear just sim (obviously simming will give some guidance but it is a multi-dimensional problem)

[keen spruce]

I mean they could sim all of the branching gearing decisions and compare relative power levels week over week

But the answer is normally just take the best piece in the vault for your characters power rn

Unless it’s a rare trinket or special item or something

You can always recraft later in the tier when you have extra sparks and you’re just trying to max things out

And you eventually be taking sockets from vault anyways

And sockets are basically uses less

Useless

[light grove]

are we spamming shiv and wait them back when DM is about 1min back ?

[velvet cloak]

bliz ever gonna fix assa?

[gaunt sigil]

No

[fallow canopy]

ever? probably, between now and the end of the game something is bound to happen

[barren yarrow]

Any chance someone can look over logs with me?

Doesn’t have to be now but would like some input.

[runic hinge]

coward

[vestal granite]

The question is more like I thought Haste is our worst stat but the sims suggest its actually vers, and the answer is definitely not "stats dont matter"

[analog field]

they don't because at the moment maybe vers is but the moment you take the wrists haste may be worse than vers

[last skiff]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9zeHsh7bF14YawLFr2HTUj
Hello, is not listening to the SIM still relevant regarding the Jastor?

[vestal granite]

Jastor is just bugged randomly sometimes not proccing ever

[faint tapir]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[broken totem]

Vanish in the Deathstalker Bleed Build doesn't do anything extra like reset cd's or anything right? Why in the WoWhead BiS page does it say we can Macro Unyielding Netherprism with Vanish?

[wooden totem]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[humble verge]

@slate crown it does seem like its triggering

without me using step now tho

we are 3 rogues in my raid rn

maybe they affect it?

[pulsar elk]

with 4 piece in m+, we dont shiv unless deathmark is on the target?

[humble verge]

you mean deathstalker?

also no, it doesnt matter

[broken totem]

I thought I saw somewhere that we're shiving each Crimson Tempest

[humble verge]

well

nvm it does

i forgor

[echo heath]

i shiv, i shiv so hard

[humble verge]

shiv ya mum

[fallow canopy]

you don't play fatebound in m+ so

hey

jinxed

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/you-got-to-be-quicker-than-that-gotta-be-quicker-than-that-quick-you-gotta-be-quicker-than-that-gif-17491322042216115294

[broken totem]

ahhh, OK I see

[heavy jolt]

would it be worth to use gear with more mastery for m+

[lavish geyser]

is assa much better on st then sub?

[broken totem]

thank you

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/playing-dead-pew-dramatic-finger-gun-cat-gif-13568033

[keen spruce]

not necessarily

all stats are just vers in a trenchcoat

[broken totem]

It seems mast is better for Deathstalker in M+, while Crit is better in Raid with FB

[heavy jolt]

yeah that's what i was thinking. i just have some extra rings and necks with more mastery

10% more mastery but 15% less crit

[keen spruce]

good thing there's a handy tool to compare how those different gear sets would perform in a dungeon setting

[vivid tundra]

Bro why am i seeing outlaws here

are u guys

[keen spruce]

[vivid tundra]

giving up???

[heavy jolt]

outlaw fun but no weaps yet

[vivid tundra]

outlaw fun but no tuning yet

outlaw is ass without the assination part

[tame elbow]

seriously debating using my spark on neck, all my jewels are haste heavy somehow

or is not going for 2nd embelish giga trolling

[vivid tundra]

mommas medallion is cool

and the king neck

[pale flower]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[humble verge]

finally fixed my frac hc log :)

idk what wrong i did last wednesday

also Cumge

i went from champ head with avoidance

to hc with socket

[final tide]

anyone have a plater mod they can share for deathmark target? ive tried creating it but failed loads xD

[humble verge]

Okayge

[main bridge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[main bridge]

Whispyr’s plater has deathmark target checkered

[final tide]

that could work, could edit it pretty easily nice1

[slate crown]

Alright yeah just go nuclear and do combat log, dunno

[humble verge]

no the combat log is triggering it

i think

imma do what i did

and just use condition

/wa

ops

[slate crown]

Yes, you need to specify the source unit as player

[humble verge]

i did

[iron ivy]

with netherprism, if you have 0 stacks at start of the boss fight, do you wait with using it for 2nd rotation of dm + kb in raid?

[humble verge]

ill try to fix it tmr or something

cba trying while trashpulling raid

[unborn rain]

seems kinda obvious doesnt it

[analog field]

no we send at first and then 3rd

every 1.5 min with FB

[viscid spear]

Apparently 4pc is a huge boon

[unborn rain]

if u only have 1 on use sure
u should be ripping netherprism with ur second vanish dm

[swift kraken]

Anyway for me not to use my tea everytime i use Envenom?

[viscid spear]

What are we opening with as Fatebound? Garrote? The guide is referencing Improved Garrote as the driving force behind using Garrote after Vanish.
Unless I'm misreading

[swift kraken]

or thats how it goes and i have to mange it better?

[runic hinge]

@midnight mist is outlaw bad?

[main bridge]

You don’t have to manage or think about auto tea

[tranquil lynx]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[loud crypt]

Can someone explain the bug with the 4 set FB and the cooldowns getting de synced

[swift kraken]

Ok that's just a thing and not me wasting

[midnight mist]

I think it's worse than s1 in m+ and the worse outlaw ever was in raid since I started the game probably

But it's a mix of bad tuning + terrible encounter design

For outlaw

So it doesn't count

Or does it

[runic hinge]

+5% bladeflurry fix it?

[oblique slate]

thoughts on my opener rotation?

[midnight mist]

10% aura

not joking btw

[slate crown]

[runic hinge]

I already have so much aura tho

[midnight mist]

people dont know but outlaw st in keys is the same as assa

[lyric crater]

outlaw been ass pass few xpac i did switch to during last season of shadowland the sin T set was just a pain for me at least

[midnight mist]

except outlaw does worse prio thjan its st

and does low aoe

and in raid you also do z everything

[slate crown]

So what I'm hearing is outlaw is bad

[runic hinge]

What if i had 29% haste

[gilded stump]

Heya QQ about shiv and the arterial precision talent. Does it always prio targets with bleeds applied to them? For example if there is a huge pack of 14 mobs and I apply rupture and garrote on only 7 of them. When I shiv will it always go onto the 7 that has bleeds? Or is there a chance that it can be applied and spread to mobs with no bleeds based on luck?

[sand otter]

Almost asked about bugs, then saw the pin

[dim spade]

what do u think its my best choice? maybe coins? trinket ?? or myth ring?

[gleaming geyser]

Answer is always but probably myth track ring. It's vers heavy so you`ll have to make up stats elsewhere.

[analog field]

also in a language where it makes it harder for someone to answer 😛

[broken totem]

how many sparks should we have so far? I only have 2.5