assassination

[broken lion]

if we invest gilded crests into a dagger and have crafted, when we need to upgrade the dagger, we have to pay the gilded again right?

[normal mist]

yes

but you dont care about the second dagger

[haughty flicker]

the only "bait" part would be if you're simming it at 0% misses and then are actually missing it in gameplay

so dont miss

gobble balls

[broken lion]

not worth putting gilded into then?

[waxen oyster]

it's a bit worse but playable

[normal mist]

OFF HAND dagger? no

[surreal flare]

antenna still good even after nerf?

[normal mist]

yes

[static glacier]

3% nerf to the crit amount, think for 10 seconds

[surreal flare]

didnt want to thats why i asked someone had to already

[ancient pasture]

On ST bosses i feel so dead in the waters as assa, and im unsure if im doing anything wrong. I keep bleeds up, shiv on cd, keep 2 for DM w. vanish, and then... i just kinda go totally energy dead, throw 2 mutilates, wait 4 seconds to have energy for an envenom, take 8 seconds to get enough combo points for a rupture, etc.

[static glacier]

im fairly sure anyone who actually thinks for a little bit will figure out how meaningless the nerf is

[normal mist]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[normal mist]

thats normal

[runic hinge]

If you got a myth dagger it’s probably worth upgrading at some point and moving your crafted to your offhand but it depends on what else you have to upgrade with your guilded at this point and what you’re likely to acquire soon

[frozen glacier]

chadbound vs soystalker

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-wait-what-wut-wtf-nani-gif-25479769

[ancient pasture]

Fucking feels so rough, if i go into an ST situtation without DM i do tank level dmg

[broken lion]

makes sense, i got bis in vault but its hero so im prob not taking it bc of how that works

[normal mist]

your tanks must be really good

[runic hinge]

Offhand is lowest prio for stats so I wouldn’t take a hero dagger at all

[normal mist]

this was my last 10 araKara, ill show the boss dmg:

[humble verge]

damn

even zac is forced to play sub on prog

[static glacier]

all ima say is my forum post says this, proven true

[ancient pasture]

If i have no shivs, no cds, i do like 1,5-2m st

[humble verge]

what forum post

[broken lion]

thanks, I always thought it was kinda important since ppl say wep is important but yeah ig it just means mainhand

[thorn thorn]

Thats boss damage?

[humble verge]

you gave me no context

[normal mist]

how do you have no shivs and no cds for an entire boss fight

[thorn thorn]

Are you playing bleed?

[normal mist]

yes

[static glacier]

about rogues in tww

[runic hinge]

Yea just main hand

[thorn thorn]

How on earth lmao

Our new person is like

1.2m on bosses at most

[humble verge]

YEAH BUT CAN YOU JUST GIVE ME THE POST OR GIVE ME FULL CONTEXT

[thorn thorn]

And he is almost 690

[humble verge]

D:

[normal mist]

im 703

[frozen glacier]

@humble verge just post bunnies

[ancient pasture]

No fx on PSF, we pulled the court yard seperately from Aemya, so i spend all CDS and shivs on lightspawns, so had nothing on Aemya

[normal mist]

@thorn thorn wait are those ST actually somewhat good?

[thorn thorn]

Compared to our rogue yes by a lot

He is frequently below tanks

[hidden inlet]

Afaik most if not all tanks are doing 2.5 to 3.5M ST with current gears? I think that sounds about right

[thorn thorn]

Im tryna find someone to log review our key cuz idk sin logs

[normal mist]

Yall play with op tanks

i have yet to see one of those

[ancient pasture]

What... most boss fights in 10-12s end with DPS around 2.5-3M

[thorn thorn]

We have a prot warrior and a vdh

And he was below both in ST

[muted agate]

Does he make up for it in AOE?

[thorn thorn]

No lmao

Some pulls he does top dam but i think its an accident cuz its not consistent at all

[normal mist]

are we talking about normal tanks, doing normal 10s with 700 ilvl?

[muted agate]

What's his overall?

[hidden inlet]

My brm is the highest at 3m+ consistently
Warrior is a bit lower and occasionally hitting 3M
DK does like around 2.5 most of the time

[ancient pasture]

Are we talking ST or overall? cuz thats wild

[hidden inlet]

ST

[errant jacinth]

I finally got heroic lily but I also got netherprism out of vault today and have astral so it doesn't even sim higher

[ancient pasture]

My last tank has 3M overall at 90 percentile parsing

No where NEAR that ST

[thorn thorn]

Terrible

[ancient pasture]

if theyre at 3m ST, they should be at 4-5m over all dps

[muted agate]

700-705 ST should be like 2.5M. Overall varies on the tank how he pulls. 7M-8M overall dps

[normal mist]

are we still talking about tanks?

[muted agate]

That's like FG^^

[ancient pasture]

3m ST tank dmg sounds cope

[hidden inlet]

It's even easier in 10s with the affix buff

[frozen glacier]

say sike

[normal mist]

nah

yall playing with R1 players

[muted agate]

naw sin rogue

[normal mist]

oh okay, yeah my highest overall so far this season was like 7.5

[thorn thorn]

Its not

[ancient pasture]

Damn wish i could hit those numbers

[thorn thorn]

This is overall not ST lmao

[ancient pasture]

I know

[normal mist]

i can't check this because i dont log

[muted agate]

that's the highest overall I hit last night lol

[thorn thorn]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KD6MVtbgFxY8Tzcr?fight=10&type=damage-done

He asked me to post it so he could “get roasted”

[ancient pasture]

Is there any merit to staying above 150 energy in ST, or is it just send envenoms and cry?

[normal mist]

yeah i was a floodgate too xD

[muted agate]

@thorn thorn I'll look at his log

[normal mist]

Yes but no

[thorn thorn]

Many thanks

[normal mist]

just press abilities

[thorn thorn]

Its the HOA and streets

[normal mist]

you could try to min max sanguine blades and remain above 150 but its not really worth it

[hidden inlet]

a key i just finished today...

im the brm btw

[desert crest]

How was it u could avoid the fatebound cdr bug?

or was there no way?

[normal mist]

check whispyr latest video

he explains it

[thorn thorn]

Brew is cheating

[ancient pasture]

havnt played with a brew, whats your overall?

[hidden inlet]

tank st are really high rn i think its normal to be outdps'd by tank, you're likely outsimmed by equally geared tanks with bleed build anyways

[ancient pasture]

Is your AoE just trash, or do you have 7m overall?

[thorn thorn]

Brew is a dps in tank clothing

[normal mist]

its the first time seeing a tank do good dps

so im biased

[hidden inlet]

like 5-7 depending on dungeons but i only pug, i think if u pull big it cna be higher

[muted agate]

@thorn thorn his caustic should be way higher. His mutilate count is super low too, which tells me he is letting it drop and not refreshing it. Make sure he is keeping caustic up, and send more envenoms. 5CP finishers always, unless Darkest night is up, in which case max CP envenom with shiv applied. If he has 4 set, get him comfortable with it consuming a charge of DSM.

[ancient pasture]

5 overall is crazy tho for a tank, half my dps run lower than 5 overall

[lilac rapids]

does sub perform better than assa in raid? cuz i see only sub rogues in mythic prog guilds like echo and liquid

[covert elbow]

best DPS i've seen on a tank is something like 2.5-3 from a bear

[thorn thorn]

He actually lost to a rogue in that priory thats in the log

Another sin rogue

[normal mist]

depends on the fights

[thorn thorn]

Said sin rogue had negative spatter damage too

[proven panther]

Did we really got hotfixed?

[normal mist]

?

when

[pure moth]

No

[lilac rapids]

when is sub generally better than assa in what type of fights?

[normal mist]

when you need burst dmg // amp phases

[lilac rapids]

so like forgeweaver araz?

[normal mist]

Per example yeah, i saw shindigg video yesterday just completely obliterating that boss (mythic)

[lilac rapids]

any more boss fights where sub performs better?

[normal mist]

dimensius too

But ill be honest

[lilac rapids]

is there an amp phase on dimensius?

[coral ibex]

yes

[ancient pasture]

Yeah 3rd phase starts with 100% increased dmg

[lilac rapids]

oh alright

[normal mist]

unless you want to min max your mythic runs, you can run whatever spec you want

im an heroic raider so i just play assa because i like it

[lilac rapids]

yea im just in a casual heroic guild anyways

[marsh ferry]

WCL statistics are indicating assassination is doing really well on H Dimensius, but I don’t know how much of that is damage that really matters

[coral ibex]

yea there's no damage check

[lilac rapids]

i dont like forgeweaver playing with deathstalker, its bugging out on the pillars and i lose deathstalkers mark

[normal mist]

dont mark the pillons

[thorn thorn]

Pillons

[muted agate]

@thorn thorn tell him to get Whispyr's WeakAura pack for rogues if he does not have it btw. https://wago.io/a4RNXiGN8 I think he probably just needs to be more cognizant of caustic and how he's managing his bleeds across targets

[cerulean fable]

myth tier chest or myth pacemaker from vault? have both on hero alrdy

[normal mist]

what did the sim said

[muted agate]

Sim it, but prob tier chest lol pace got giga nerfed in S3

[cerulean fable]

both like 55k dps increase chest also has leech

[muted agate]

with crystaline radiance applied?

[cerulean fable]

yes

both maxxed out

[hidden inlet]

mythic chest with leech of course

[cerulean fable]

chest 56k dps trinket was 63k

[waxen oyster]

10%=giganerfed

now i've seen it all

[hidden inlet]

leech on large pieces is huge

you can probably buy the trinket later this patch anyways, and its not even bis

[cerulean fable]

chest it is

[waxen oyster]

yeah i would have said trinket if not for the leech

both have multiple slot options

[muted agate]

Lol I mean maybe "giga" was overboard but sad it's not as strong 🙁

[waxen oyster]

but rolling tert on a big slot is nice

[hidden inlet]

and picking the pacemaker would bring u into difficult situations if u happen to get something like a heroic antenna

[pale shoal]

Do we know if the Assa bugs are fixed with the Patch yet?

[normal mist]

probably not

there would be a pin about that already

[waxen oyster]

in practice a heroic antenna wouldnt beat a myth pacemaker

due to more agi

[hidden inlet]

heroic antenna is slightly better for my profile at least

[waxen oyster]

than a fully upgraded myth?

[hidden inlet]

yea i guess it doesnt represent everyone but at least for my rogue at this moment

[mint summit]

I've picked up rogue for the first time this expac, and I'm already annoyed at all the tanks that dont let me restealth. Kms

[waxen oyster]

!restealth

[normal mist]

you do have 2 vanish charges

[waxen oyster]

whoops

[hidden inlet]

but they've got to be close at least

[round fjord]

Guys any chance myth Cursed Idol trinket world be an option over heroic boots(artifact buff)?
Sim só much better for me in all scenarios but looks bait as fuck.

[coral ibex]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[mint summit]

I use them

I'm stuck at the first point. The tanks I run with do that shit all the time

[balmy condor]

Are you by chance… pugging?

[mint summit]

Sometimes

[round fjord]

@balmy condor can u help me with this? Or is just sim bait, never saw one rogue using it

[mint summit]

Mix of pugging and friend groups

[odd python]

fixes

bluepost

[mint summit]

Where?

[odd python]

nvm its pandaria

fuck me

[balmy condor]

It’s fine, but it’s a 1s channel so it’s annoying

[round fjord]

Boots gives me like 80k and trinket 380

[balmy condor]

The trinket gives you 380k?

If you unequip your other trinkets right

[round fjord]

Aoe ofc simming for m+

[balmy condor]

Yes

Of course.

Aoe sims…

Naturally

What are your trinkets now

[round fjord]

nahhh, dia for ST also. Both ahead, let me get it. At phone rnow

[round fjord]

Peace/soleah hero LMAO

[balmy condor]

Peace I assume you meant pacemaker?

[round fjord]

lol, yeah

[balmy condor]

Yikes

Yeah no wonder stone idol looks so good

[round fjord]

But simming m+ options, like lily or crystal. Myth idol still ahead

[balmy condor]

I mean if you’re not opposed to the awkward channel before your CDs, stone idol is good, it’s fine

[round fjord]

Got u

[balmy condor]

It’s not like, the most amazing thing, there’s better trinkets, but it’s workable

Otherwise probably boots, especially if you don’t raid mythic (doesn’t seem like it based on vault)

[round fjord]

Exact

[balmy condor]

Those boots will easily beat any myth boots

So unless you plan on killing mythic soul hunters

That’s effectively bis I guess

[hidden inlet]

My only complaint with idol is the animation isn't cool enough to justify the channel

If it was as cool as font im okay with a 4 sec channel

[thorn thorn]

[hexed pumice]

why do we shiv before deathmark btw?

[normal mist]

fatebound?

to buff the coins

that DM gives you

[hexed pumice]

im looking up highest parses on nexus king, and 3rd one i review they dont xDD

[void pecan]

not just pugs, come play with the few tanks we have again.. I have to yell at them to restealth.

[hexed pumice]

okay, ty, new to FB

[mint summit]

Oh, hey ganan

[void pecan]

👋

[mint summit]

I will be playing a bunch this season. I'm tryna learn sin cause I've never played it before. So I'll join yall as much as I can

[normal mist]

this might be more clear

[exotic hearth]

In pins, it says treat netherprism as a 3min trink, so use it every other deathmark with 4set? Or is it better to use it every DM?

[velvet ridge]

oowiee

[exotic hearth]

If every other I'm guessing use it on the 2nd DM to build stacks?

[velvet ridge]

feelsgood

[west crown]

I'm assuming antenna nerfs are live with new patch. Is it still bis for anyone else?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Not sure what you mean

[balmy condor]

A 0.2% nerf to a trinket still makes it bis :P

[exotic hearth]

Since it builds stacks, I assume we can't use it on pull, so use it on even number DM's?

[coral ibex]

ok that's it, im below a fdk on overall. this singular focus bug needs to be fixed NOW

[hexed pumice]

yea ty, i got the basic rotation, just didnt know the reason behind it besides 'some buff' because of FB

[coral ibex]

unacceptable!!!

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/unacceptable-adventure-time-lemongrab-freakout-armflail-gif-5515437

[distant plinth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/8RYsT2lvoV

[frigid pilot]

sandbagging little b1tch a$$ rets using logs before they crafted their 2h to beg for buffs

[distant plinth]

Wauuuuw wow settings not working properly

[dry wing]

its normal than the wrathstone of ulduar in 704 sims higher than a lily 710?

[hot jay]

hmm, helm or chest mythic tier in vault

take chest because its off soul hunters?

helm is easy access on first boss

through catalyst

[distant plinth]

100%

[hot jay]

chest is off frac I guess but soul hunters has a catalyzable one

same point

[tight oracle]

if my sacbrood (704) is out simming netherprism(710) is it stats?

[hot jay]

my guild is probably not reclearing those bosses for a long time lol

[waxen oyster]

double on use isnt real

[latent swallow]

hello i have a question before vault tomorrow - if my vault has a myth wep and say an average trinket(stone idol) is it worth taking? i have 720 crafted

[hot jay]

it is for sub

[tight oracle]

oh woops my 2nd trinket is myth lily

[hot jay]

but if you don't ever play sub then I guess it don't matter

[waxen oyster]

Let's be honest

when people say double on use for sub

they mean forge/prism

not any other bozo combo

[barren yarrow]

@balmy condor i saw your assassin bug video. Does anything change as far as raid goes? just keep sending vanish at 3 min?

[waxen oyster]

Like double on use works because prism is technically a 3 min

and forge is just such a massive 2min

[hot jay]

if your sub with only a prism and lily do you really wear a passive over the lily - prism can't even buff your opener

[blazing island]

hey guys question, my sims want me to use duble onuse signet+trinket fro eco dome (only do m+) which one should I macro to marks? the mastery onuse one?

[normal mist]

dont use double on use

[normal mist]

#assassination message

[waxen oyster]

People use streamers use double on use in niche scenarios

then fail to understand context

[red zealot]

go for 4 set M gloves or antenna can also cat 2 peices and get full H 4 set

[echo heath]

some streamers are people who have failed upwards

keep that in mind

[gusty mirage]

Damn

My man out here dropping facts

[waxen oyster]

wdym failed upwards

[gusty mirage]

As a sandwich

[balmy condor]

well the odd numbered DM's are every 3 min, so idk why you would use it on evens

[waxen oyster]

You failed in general if you're trying to gain viewers streaming wow.

Instead of literally any other game

like fml people get more viewers streaming gacha games

[runic hinge]

I think if you steam and just play wow all day eventually you’re gonna time some keys. So it’s a time versus skill thing.

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna stream my next haru urara run and become the next northern lion for sure

[runic hinge]

Especially with resilient keys

[waxen oyster]

Isn't that most key players

[echo heath]

nothing beats that dopamine hit of pulling tokai teio from a 1 card draw

[waxen oyster]

outside of mdi players

[runic hinge]

Yeah I’d say so

People look up to the unemployed

[balmy condor]

I have max LB kitasan black and I just pulled narita from banner AMA

[waxen oyster]

Brick DFC 20x

time it once

get an ego

[echo heath]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-shit-shades-off-shocked-surprised-wtf-gif-214049199930703289

[hot jay]

just keeping it a buck I'm probably only playing sub for the mythic raid fights where it is shining, and those fights have damage amps so idk

[humble verge]

@frozen glacier

[hot jay]

seems like high value for a spec that only does damage in cds

[waxen oyster]

I mean yeah sub tends to only draw people when its good

[balmy condor]

(I can't get a 3* spark to save my life my only 3* spark is a stam spark on an oguri but her skills are cooked af)

[waxen oyster]

because assa is kinda braindead easy to play at a serviceable level.

[balmy condor]

[echo heath]

Hey look at it this way, you may suck at Subtlety but a lot of people suck at this game so you'll probably never be at the bottom if you have a pulse

[waxen oyster]

Maybe one day this spec will be about dots again

and not pressing mut mut envenom

while watching netflix

[cerulean walrus]

Big Blimpin

[hot jay]

they'd have to add some more dots or something

[hot jay]

there's zero complexity to keeping up garrote, rupture and tempest

so it's not gonna provide what your wanting either

[echo heath]

this spec has always been about maintaining your dots and hitting envenom

[vapid terrace]

feels wierd to take heroic antenna vs myth track tier, but with basically everyone wanting antenna, this is the way i go this week

[echo heath]

the real tragedy is what blizz did to Combat Rogue

[royal lantern]

that will never happen

like, 0 chance

[hot jay]

I'm not saying it would or should lol

[royal lantern]

if anything, they remove garrote or something lmao

[waxen oyster]

not as bad as it is lately

[hot jay]

I'm just saying making the spec about dots won't add complexity

[balmy condor]

the problem is that if you make dots a thing you either have to admit that multi-dotting manually is difficult in a tab-target mmo, or you have to make it shadow crash, in which case like we have that, it's called crimson tempest, and you instantly run out of dots to cast and you're back to caustic spatter to fill.

You could make like a bleed caustic-spatter hypothetically, like exsang was an idea, or you could have some like instant-tick-advance mechanic like sub's multistrike from wod, but then you're still just spamming that to advance the ticks and then insta applying dots

and with how the game has progressed

that's just how it be

[tribal stag]

I have a champ Netherprism and hero Soleahs/Lily. I have myth Lily and Empowering Crystal in my vault. 723 Empowering Crystal + 710 Lily is simming better than all the other combos. Is that the play?

Also fuck double on use

[balmy condor]

like you can make the damage profile a damage over time, like aff lock or something

but you can't design a combat system around dots without making them secondary to an instant-cast filler

[royal lantern]

isnt afflock almost all malefic?

[echo heath]

I think the spec is fine honestly, bugs aside.

better than ratlaw

[hidden inlet]

Not really, it's only 20% in aoe

Excluding the indirect benefit

[balmy condor]

malefic is exactly one of the examples of "dot but not really"

but they still have wither

agony

UA

like there's plenty of dot there

[royal lantern]

i also have plenty of agony tbh

[balmy condor]

but even then, it's not like a true "dot spec" ya know

[thorn thorn]

Same with shadow

[balmy condor]

that sounds reasonable yes

the champ prism is probably still usable on some situations

but lily + crystal is a pretty good combo

[merry warren]

For a total noob rogue, Hit Max Level yesterday, do the bugs matter enough that i try focus learn another of the two specs?

[balmy condor]

no

[winter glade]

Is Jastor Diamond still not working right?

[tribal stag]

Yeah it's simming like ~1k dps above the other combo but that's me sneezing during a pull so idgaf. I just suck at using netherprism I think

[royal lantern]

99% of the guys complaining about the bugs would not even know they exists without somebody else telling them about it lmao

wow players

👍

[balmy condor]

also if you did focus learn another of the two specs, you'd be in for a rude awakening cause they got plenty of their own bugs

[merry warren]

Nice, cause it’s fun so far. Thx

[royal lantern]

rogue is a giant walking bug

just like all other classes

[balmy condor]

reasonable

prism is a trinket that benefits a ton from being able to pull it at better points in time

if you can't be fucked doing that, totally fine

[tribal stag]

At least we got new dragonriding races instead of bug fixes

[warm vortex]

Ok

[tribal stag]

I cannot be fucked

[warm vortex]

I'm fuming that parry is a thing

[balmy condor]

you're so based

[warm vortex]

I know they removed kingsbane parried

[echo heath]

attack from behind

[balmy condor]

^

actually that

[warm vortex]

How can i do that on dimenius p1

[tribal stag]

but how will I kiss the boss on the lips

[coral ibex]

play sub

[tribal stag]

???

[marsh ferry]

If you pray for hero antenna/pacemaker to drop, then myth lily from vault might be ok. Try simming that if you want to farm pacemaker

[hot jay]

that's the one blessing I will enjoy when my guild gets to dimensius after our slow prog

sub has that mechanic where you just don't get parried lol, from trickster

[warm vortex]

Flanking strike parried (usually hits for 20 mil combined)

[balmy condor]

blizzard has gone on record during a podcast from some people saying that they don't want directional combat to be a thing, but having things like parry is just enough flavor to make things interesting

(paraphrased obviously)

but like

parry ain't going anywhere

get used to it

[worthy rose]

how tf

does blizz not want directional combat

[coral ibex]

we dont want directional combat, but we have directional combat

[waxen mango]

Just expertise cap /I'mold

[warm vortex]

It's themiatic to lose a cooldown, represents the hoplesness of fighting dimensius

[worthy rose]

when the entire frost aoe rotation is directional

frost aoe is like only in front of you

its the most directional spec

blizzard is high

[warm vortex]

Cause yknow he is like a big void gamer

[worthy rose]

they need to go home and rework frost again

[static glacier]

bro what? all of mop was mobs with frontal shields making them immune from one side, did they uturn on this?>

[worthy rose]

nah blizz just arbitrarily employs their ideas

theres no reason behind some shit they do

"just cuz"

[balmy condor]

mists of pandaria was 13 years ago grandpa lets get you back to bed

[worthy rose]

streets does the boss and mobs with a directional shiedl

[balmy condor]

"did they uturn on this"

brother

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-stupid-younger-generation-young-old-pissed-gif-5068746

[balmy condor]

you're referencing a time

before like

most games existed

[warm vortex]

But srsly fuck parry >:(

[somber sparrow]

so does the opener for fatebound guarantee getting 7 correct flips in a row to proc the agility bonus

[static glacier]

kb can't be parried

[upbeat niche]

isnt like 90% of the dev team from MoP not even there anymore

[balmy condor]

yes

[static glacier]

i stopped caring after that

[hidden inlet]

Actually a lot of melees are like that

[worthy rose]

i hate how frost aoe is now directional

[tribal stag]

I've been in a coma for 14 years, where do I buy poisons?

[worthy rose]

seems dumb

glacial advance is like league of legends evelyn

[somber sparrow]

i'm just still a noob at anything but deathstalker so just trying to wrap my head around the slightly different playstyle

[worthy rose]

you do a spike attack from teh front

[balmy condor]

idk I'll make sure to do a headcount next time I'm making my rounds through the cubicles and let you know

[worthy rose]

apparently subtlety is the #1 spec alongisde frost dk

how did this happen

did everyone suddenly become gods at subtlety

[balmy condor]

subtlety isn't really "hard"

[tribal stag]

no the few people who can play it well did

[balmy condor]

it's just awkward

like you have to do some weird cooldown holding

[hidden inlet]

Subt is giga easy excluding some awkward optimization

[balmy condor]

but it's not like people can't play sub

[worthy rose]

fuck

[balmy condor]

[tribal stag]

youjust cant have adhd

[worthy rose]

no wonder when i hekili'd subtlety it was dogshit

you have to hold cd's

hekili just sends everything whenever its up

this is news

[balmy condor]

is that true

[hidden inlet]

But if u just want to do like 95% damage it's just macro and 12121212

[somber sparrow]

play sub with one key rotation you'll do great

[worthy rose]

iunno

[lucid silo]

sub CDs feel terrible because there are like 6 of them for some reason

[rustic shuttle]

Do you guys think i should get set mythic head or burn a cat charge for a myth head that has leech? (from vault)

[balmy condor]

hekili knows to hold I'm pretty sure, they pull simc apl right

[worthy rose]

whenever i want to try out a new spec or something i just listen to hekili

and see how it goes

[warm vortex]

Haha

[worthy rose]

no clue but last season my subtlety following hekili was dogshit

[warm vortex]

Haha

[hidden inlet]

Yet half the melee work like that nowdays

Ret, enhance, frost, surv, feral

[balmy condor]

direction to the mob itself obviously there's frontals

lets not fucking pretend like frontals are the issue

[humble verge]

i think he thinks its bugged

[balmy condor]

@keen mantle is it true?

[tribal stag]

How much of a loss is running iron wire in keys? It feels so much better when things dont cast

[winged quail]

i'll never not laugh at arcane mages/bm hunters complaining about having "frontals"

[warm vortex]

Wait

[hidden inlet]

A lot of ppl suck in m+ cause they're not hitting everything with their abilities

[humble verge]

hes literally ina key

[warm vortex]

Rogue is bugged?

[humble verge]

😭

[winged quail]

like just turn your character??? you are ranged

[somber sparrow]

backstab can be used from the front

[warm vortex]

Wait, what BM frontals?

It doesn't have any

[humble verge]

are we back to playing fdk

[winged quail]

4 set stampede is a frontal

[humble verge]

in keys now

[balmy condor]

@keen mantle are you literally in a key?

[humble verge]

😭

[red schooner]

He's figuratively in a key

[humble verge]

your moms a key

[warm vortex]

Tbh istampede is fucked, but not for it being a "frontal"

[humble verge]

a key of cocaine

[warm vortex]

It's cause it has an insane amount of bugs, encourages an unfun piece of tech, and is also undertuned to hell

[red schooner]

Now hit me with a reaction video. Do it.

[agile osprey]

My current heroic netherprism is beating out my vault myth lily. Please tell me there's some explanation for this so I don't have have to take back to back sockets

[red schooner]

Thanks

[winged quail]

lily is understatted prism is very good

[agile osprey]

[warm vortex]

Remind me with prisim you just use it on vanish for fatebound right?
as in the second one in a fight
and m+ you just use it

[winged quail]

in raid you use it as a 3 min

unless you would miss a cast

[warm vortex]

So p much 2nd vanish

[winged quail]

ye

it's dogshit for normal reclears tho fights already under 3 mins

thank god im done with normal

[warm vortex]

Yuh

Tbh i've lost motivation to play rogue in raid atm due to 4pc just being stinky sometimes

[winged quail]

im playing sub and loving it

[warm vortex]

Was playing mostly BM tonight, started playing SV instead as it was fun, got flanking parried back to back so i swapped back to BM cause i was salty as fuck

[lucid silo]

if they removed like 1 or 2 buttons sub would be bis for me

[agile osprey]

Yeah I'm turbo ass at sub ngl

[warm vortex]

Tbh
I have a lot of griped with sub

[onyx nymph]

i am confused, why are things with shitty stats ie the gloves being haste vers are simming higher than their cata crit mas variant

[lucid silo]

ilvl?

sin doesnt really have shitty stats

[onyx nymph]

well the cata would be the same ilvl

but its 30k dam dif

[winged quail]

30k is not much with current dps, it'll just be a stat weight thing

[lucid silo]

thats like a rounding error in a sim

[winged quail]

assa likes any stat really

[onyx nymph]

so just take ilvl?

cause this is my vault

[keen mantle]

WHATSUP?

[winged quail]

ilvl is the most important stat

[keen mantle]

WHY YOU PING M<E

[lucid silo]

nah i'd listen to the sim big dog

[keen mantle]

@balmy condor

[humble verge]

YOURE PLAYING DK AND NOT ROGUE

REEEEE

[warm vortex]

Is rogue bugged

[keen mantle]

weeklies bro

[lucid silo]

DK is just a better outlaw rogue

[humble verge]

alr alr

[warm vortex]

That's what we were wondering

Is rogue bugged

[runic hinge]

I hope you have a good day

[winged quail]

also is he literally in a key?

if so do you need help?

[viscid spear]

[thick juniper]

im in a pickle, hero boots (reshi ones) or the mythic tier set

[worthy rose]

wow

the luck of some poeople

[warm vortex]

Bro im seeing people post this knowing im gonna get thronguses finger in my vault somehow

[crisp venture]

i cant wait to get triple cloak tmrw

[viscid spear]

All belts and cloaks for you, fren

[worthy rose]

bros getting fingered

[warm vortex]

Have you fuckin seen the size of throngus

[glad tusk]

Any news on the talent bugs being fixed already?

[viscid spear]

I'm running a sim but any advice?

[warm vortex]

That's like a full on delve

[warm vortex]

Stop please

[crisp venture]

dayum

[warm vortex]

I know im going to get 4 betls and 2 f tier trinkets

Tomorrow

On both characters

[lucid silo]

i won hero antenna and forge last week too

• pacemaker

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pain-gif-25934677

Tbh despite having a crafted gun, im tempted to spec SV for vault as im lovin it

[viscid spear]

I won Loom dagger and Forge trinket last week

[lucid silo]

big dawg

[tribal stag]

I'm a fan of throwing so I like running iron wire in keys because people cant be trusted to stop things. How much of a loss is running it in keys? It feels so much better when things dont cast horrible shit for many seconds every pack

[lucid silo]

i think its like 3-5%

[main bridge]

it's a lot. you can sim any talent build to get a precise number

[tribal stag]

Is the dungeon slice sim accurate?

[warm vortex]

grrr

[glad tusk]

its so sad u lose alot bcs iron wire is so good

[warm vortex]

graaa, gnrrngrrr, arrgh,, aaa

[lucid silo]

iron wire is great in certain keys

[lilac kite]

How big is going from 2pc to 4pc in m+ roughly?

[indigo thicket]

is the jastors ring at 72% uptime in a key still worth using?

[tribal stag]

While we're on keys, is it bleed build all the way down?

Or does that change at some point

[lucid silo]

all other builds are ded

[tribal stag]

RIP

[lucid silo]

hybrid got rip'd

[glad tusk]

Guys anyone knows if talents are still bugged or fixed?

[viscid spear]

Dagger counted towards my "Two Needs Per Week" allotment so I auto-lost tier token on Hunters

[winged quail]

bugged to shit

[glad tusk]

reroll sub if still bugged xd?

[lucid silo]

theres an allotment?!

[glad tusk]

bugged*

[waxen oyster]

Assa still does more on big aoe

[tribal stag]

Does the today's day end in today?

[main bridge]

if anything happens there will probably be something in the pins. you can also go to wowhead

[viscid spear]

I'm channeling all my positive vibes into your Vault tomorrow

[viscid spear]

Yep, two Need rolls per week.
I'm the only Rogue, btw

[keen mantle]

no more chat brainrot

the chat brainrot is so hard

i talk to my mom

she asked me

sub or assa

im losing it

[lucid silo]

im also only rogue which is bis

[vocal cradle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[half tartan]

any bug fixes or ways to get around bugs?

[tribal stag]

sub or assa?

[warm vortex]

Well waht did you tell her

[main bridge]

#assassination message

[warm vortex]

If you said outlaw your probably getting disowned

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-rat-ratjam-catjam-ratjammers-gif-21929051

[half tartan]

does a reload fix talents?

[main bridge]

i actually hate kira for making that video. every 30s there is going to be someone saying BUGS???

[warm vortex]

If your on about the short?

[viscid spear]

But because I clicked Need on the Loom' dagger it counted as a Need roll. RL said I should've click Major Upgrade.

[warm vortex]

I think i got him to link whispyrs video in the comments so that's good :D

[main bridge]

as if anyone is going to read

[tribal stag]

your RL is a dick

[balmy condor]

idk someone said you thought rogue was bugged, so I was just asking, rogue bug?

[keen mantle]

theres a better question whispyr

[viscid spear]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2KvcRwgjBnWKBQqRei1HeU
Somebody help, is there a way to sim FB to get the proper value out of Prism?

[keen mantle]

Yooo Casual , do you think they will fix the bugs? LIKE MY FUCKING UNCLE WORKS AT BLIZZARD

[balmy condor]

everyone always asking HOW rogue bugged, but never WHY rogue bugged

[warm vortex]

Whispyr is the CEO of activision blizzard

[tribal stag]

Interns

[warm vortex]

he is just closeted about it

[balmy condor]

don't worry, it's like that in here too

bugs fixed?

bitch is there a pin saying the bugs are fixed? No? Then they're fucking not

[warm vortex]

@balmy condor

@balmy condor are the bugs fixed

[viscid spear]

After all this time, you still think we pay attention to pins? Are you crazy?

Now please answer my inquiry

[thick juniper]

is .3 of eachother, what you guys think? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h5QozE6x1ziEtcxFCwyT9e

[keen mantle]

When do we close the discord

fr

[balmy condor]

or people pinging me 2am on a monday morning "did they fix the bugs"

yes, obviously the devs went into the office

on a sunday afternoon

[warm vortex]

What time is it for you rn

[balmy condor]

cause I released a video

[tribal stag]

do you work at my company

[warm vortex]

asking so i can pin you at 2am on a monday morning

[balmy condor]

3:41 pm

[warm vortex]

Aight gotcha fam

[lucid silo]

why dont they just fix the bugs amirite

[hollow fulcrum]

how hard is hardmode taz

[static glacier]

tbh you did say that blizzard know about the bugs, we thought you told your uncle at blizz

[candid pond]

Hey guys, just coming back to the game. As far as performance goes is bleed or hybrid considered better right now?

[static glacier]

[hollow fulcrum]

like in terms of a key level

[warm vortex]

Setting an alarm so i remember

[sullen hearth]

Hey did they fix the bugs 🐛?

[warm vortex]

Bleed

[lucid silo]

once you know the fights and have some gear imo its pretty easy

[candid pond]

Damn ok. Thanks!

[viscid spear]

Shame Pacemaker is only Hero-track, but I'm conflicted on whether I should grab Prism.
Most of the guild is rolling in tier sets and I'm stuck with 2pc and now two Catalyst charges

[lucid silo]

captain dragon was the only annoying fight imo

[warm vortex]

!bleed

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +20's or higher, you should play bleed
3. Even if you're doing higher, you should probably play bleed
4. No, Fatebound is not good, you play Deathstalker in every key.

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• 11.2/Season 3: Bleed has gotten stronger through some buffs and the single target damage you get from singular focus is ridiculously good with the tier set. During PTR testing many high end rogues were just playing bleed everywhere.
• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave build is mainly for boss damage (note: not prio, there is no significant difference in prio). Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and some bosses during season 2 were not possible on high keys otherwise. It remains to be seen what push keys in Season 3 will bring in that regard.
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal. Rookery is not in the rotation in Season 3, and there are a lot of AoE dungeons. Dawnbreaker might be a candidate, but unsure currently.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead outside of low target cleave and higher target AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage. At the end of the day, the builds are extremely similar, but Bleed is looking to simply be the best.

[warm vortex]

More info on why

If you are curious

[viscid spear]

@balmy condor

[spice surge]

Why y'all booly mr Whispor soo much man

[sullen hearth]

the BUGS 🐛!!!

[red zealot]

With antenna whats my other trinket to aim for from Raid Prism or Araz?

[lucid silo]

for m+ or raid?

[static glacier]

he called me grandpa

[lucid silo]

prism = raid araz = m+

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/randall-recess-snitch-gif-9625258

[red zealot]

both reall I guess

[candid pond]

Thanks, seems to be close enough if I enjoy hybrid more i'm not completly handicapping myself?

[warm vortex]

Yea, you can

[viscid spear]

What goes well with each?

[warm vortex]

Just better for things above a 12 else shit dies way to fast, bleed is still better, but i understand liking hybrid more

[lucid silo]

antenna

[spice surge]

Prism is fine for keys too

[warm vortex]

Tbh, im tempted to play it when bliz fixes bugs

rn im just gonna play survival until both BM and Assa get some notes haha

[spice surge]

Just araz not great for raid

[gritty laurel]

prism makes more boom lasers, therefore better

[warm vortex]

Eleem are the bugs fixed yet

[candid pond]

Shit do be dying fast. Guess I can do bleed low keys, hybrid high keys

[viscid spear]

Damn, so I guess I should grab this Prism from GV?

[lucid silo]

what else you got?

something something do what the sim says

[warm vortex]

Fuck it imma try and sleep now it's nearly wednesday
Thanks ash for the vault luck

[viscid spear]

Like GV options or trinket choices?

[lucid silo]

both i guess

[viscid spear]

Well I ran a sim and it said Pacemaker

But idk if there's a particular way to sim the 3min style of Prism for FB

[candid pond]

One last questions, I noticed Sub is over assass right now. Just for curiosity sake, whats the gap?

[lucid silo]

myth pacemaker is harder to get than netherprism

[viscid spear]

Sadly that's Hero-track

[lucid silo]

o then get netherprism imo

[acoustic roost]

Look at warcraftlogs and see for yourself

[viscid spear]

I'm mad at myself for not pushing higher for Myth-track, believe me

[candid pond]

Asking more for M+.

[viscid spear]

But thanks for the help

[lucid silo]

i think lots of mythic people are playing sub due to the fight being shit for deathstalker in mythic

[viscid spear]

I still have a 684 Pacemaker from last season, is it worth holding onto it to use when I'm DS like in M+?

[lucid silo]

When I simmed basically any hero trinket even a second on use I didn't use in that slot was better because more stats

[viscid spear]

So Prism-Forge would be okay?

[acoustic roost]

For me as a 3kio player running weekly 12s mostly on both sub and assa, they are similar overall depending on dungeon. I currently prefer sub because I’m sick of hitting like a wet noodle during bosses 🤣

[lucid silo]

Sim it i think forge doesn't have a big AGI stat on it so probably not as good

[viscid spear]

What number are the trinket slots again?

[candid pond]

lmao I feel that, I appreciate it! I haven't played sub since legion. How's the rotation feeling?

[gritty laurel]

13/14 are trinket slots

[lucid silo]

13/14

[viscid spear]

kk, ty

[minor coyote]

omg my 1st good trinket

😭

[viscid spear]

What is it?

[coral ibex]

@balmy condor why is rogue bugged? i demand answers

[pliant remnant]

no shot that is the question my goat pings whispyr with

[minor coyote]

do i have any better options for trinkets

[coral ibex]

bro said nobody asks why

[minor coyote]

besides the two equiped?

[coral ibex]

i asked why

[hollow leaf]

If im only gonna be able to get a Heroic Araz should I grab a Mythic Lily in my Vault and just not worry about Araz? Mostly M+ player

[coral ibex]

yes

[gritty laurel]

cadizz, you probably should run a top gear and/or droptimizer sim

[coral ibex]

DIRTY CASH I WANT YOUUUUUUU

[runic hinge]

Look inside yourself and you will find the answer you seek

[balmy condor]

6'1 stand on my money now I'm 6'1

[gritty laurel]

sin is bugged because whispyr hasn't suffered enough. he needs to become a singularity of agony

[coral ibex]

HORSE POWER HORSE POWER

ALL THIS POLO ON I GOT HORSE POWER

[acoustic geyser]

In general how valuable is atrophic poison in raid?

[gritty laurel]

about 3.6%

[balmy condor]

IM THE WORLD 153RD BEST UNLICENSED GYNOCOLOGIST 📣 🔥

CANCELLED MYSELF CAUSE IM TRYNA GET INTO POLITICS 📣 🔥

[warm vortex]

Did you know that

[idle crane]

Weird question - are tier appearances shared with any other items? I somehow have the shoulder appearance and have not gotten any version of them yet. I even checked item restoration in a panic...

[main bridge]

wowhead has a tab for this, could check there

[idle crane]

Oh nice ok

[balmy condor]

these things give you the appearances

[idle crane]

Def havent traded any in either

Hm no shared model it seems, theres on in my vault waiting to accept but thats it

[humble verge]

i wanted to join a free

10 db

idk

[pliant remnant]

Speaking of which, did you also know that

[split veldt]

where bug fixes blizzard

https://tenor.com/view/empty-shelves-john-travolta-confused-where-huh-gif-16456244

[snow hamlet]

[visual sun]

wdym, we "fixed" ur fb 4 pc, sit down - blizz prolly

[thin lichen]

@balmy condor In your latest video, you stated how Sudden Demise is bugged. Question is, it is still worth it to have for M+ builds right since the 15% Bleed damage isn't bugged?

[manic quartz]

it isnt bugged in m+

[haughty flicker]

It isn't bugged in keys

[thin lichen]

Okay.

[haughty flicker]

Just open world and delves

[thin lichen]

Okay, ty.

[haughty flicker]

[wheat hill]

Would lily beat out signet in m+

Was thinking signet might be better since it lines with DM

[exotic hearth]

Because the first one on pull would be unbuffed so using it on 2 and 4 would be 2 fully buffed (assuming) uses versus an unbuffed and a buffed one? I'm guessing my thinking doesn't pan out though

[haughty flicker]

It's every other with fatebound

Which is 1:30

You sound like you're talking about deathstalker

In that case just use it every set

[rich spear]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oCdZ6a1foL3PpKbwaJBfT3
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aSnRRpNf6s2ffLNBZLgRfR
idk what to take from my vault, ive been doing more m+ than raiding but i find it hard to believe soleahs and signet are that good compared to my current trinkets idk why, anyone have some advice for me?

[crisp smelt]

any idea why with this talent i always energy starve in the single target on the bosses?
any tips ?

[exotic hearth]

No I'm talking about fate. I'm just wondering if I wait until the even sets because if I use it on rip it wouldn't have any stacks.

[halcyon saddle]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[haughty flicker]

Why are you saying even numbers then with fate

Also we use it as a 3m because it lines up with vanish as well

So you're buffing your giga vanish deathmark not a baby deathmark

[humble verge]

reminder

[haughty flicker]

Using it otherwise is desyncing it from vanish and losing value

[humble verge]

to never do keys with french people

hooooooly

[haughty flicker]

I try to avoid French people in general

[humble verge]

:)

[balmy condor]

what

it takes 3 minutes to stack

your 1:30 deathmark would be at half stacks

[echo heath]

The frenchies i do keys with are blasters

[dull gate]

I'm lost... Isn't Assa bugged in m+?

[balmy condor]

and you don't have vanish on your 1:30 dm

[humble verge]

YEAH BUT 1AM FRENCH PEOPLE ARE DOG WATER PISSPOUR JUGGING GONG HONGING PKOSAJDOJIAKPSJOIKDSA

[minor coyote]

whispyr ! i got 2 new trinkets

[balmy condor]

it is bugged, but what are you implying

[balmy condor]

okay okay

I see you

good trinkets

the come up

[minor coyote]

the other 5 in storage

[haughty flicker]

Avoidance gaming

[minor coyote]

are they better than any of the above or no?

[balmy condor]

no, the ones you have equipped are the only ones worth a shit

[humble verge]

ok

do i do 2 more keys

for full vault

on my nelf rogue

[echo heath]

Do whatever the hell you want

[cyan dew]

CT is always with 2+?

[humble verge]

1+

[lavish swan]

Is bleed build doing better in mythics over kingsbane?

[humble verge]

yes

just play bleed

[cyan dew]

1+ is with amplifying, no?

[formal sorrel]

Not sure if this has been discussed already but I heard through the grape vine that there was a stealth nerf to Sin

true?

[obsidian harbor]

Hi guys, here you can find my logs of the last key. Can you help me to improve? I think my dps is low for thie ILVL https://it.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6RQkAVGtwn1mHX3c?fight=last

[humble verge]

no +1 as in on ST

[sick sail]

Gonna use my boost on a 4th rogue to bypass the campaign stuff, lets goo

[humble verge]

lmao

[novel dragon]

in fatebound 4pc are we shiving the entire duration of deathmark? Or are we putting a gap inbetween both shivs to cover the end of the now 18s kingsbane?

[humble verge]

only shiv twice

with dm

[tiny apex]

should i be using lily with DM

or off cd

[novel dragon]

macro lily with DM

[surreal valve]

yo guys been playing mythics with what you said the bleed build and I noticed that YES in AOE I destroy but Im lacking on single target any tips what can I do? and btw I dont have kingsbane on that bleed talent tree so how can I perform in a single target boss(in a mytihc)?

[tiny apex]

i got Myth Lily and saw it was ok so I grabbed it

[wheat hill]

would signet be better for M+?

[obsidian harbor]

Any1 for me?

[novel dragon]

Really depends on your secondary stat distro- you want signet to smash mastery. And everything from antenna, seaforium, DISC belt, jastor diamond, and your current alchemical chaos flask can alter that

[spice surge]

Pull mobs on the boss, all assa m+ setups do terrible ST

[surreal valve]

okok

[spice surge]

The big aoe makes up for the bad ST

[novel dragon]

bleed build single target is bare shit - there's not a whole lot you can do. Keep your bleeds up, and enjoy slowly crawling back on dps when the boss is <35% health

[surreal valve]

ok thank you guys

[novel dragon]

You can try pooling energy to stay above 50% for the extra bleed ticks? But idk if that's actually bait

I find when I try to do that I'm basically just never envenoming and I feel like that's bad

[spice surge]

Not good, dont

[novel dragon]

Yea I felt like it was trash lol

[fossil falcon]

Oh so its better to not pool energy?

[humble verge]

juyst keep dots up

[obsidian harbor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6RQkAVGtwn1mHX3c?fight=last&type=damage-done My parse is really low, what I do wrong?

[static glacier]

spread more bleeds earlier on the first pull

[chilly marsh]

playing fatebound why gudie says to use vanish? did i miss anything?

[static glacier]

read fatebound talents

[obsidian harbor]

So first pull I go to garrote and rapt for more target? Only after start the real rotation?

[amber mountain]

Dunno if anyone else has experienced it yet, but I've just had Deathstalker's Mark get stripped off targets when hitting Garrote in my AoE opener

[rigid fable]

I'm going to cry... I'm being humiliated in ST when I don't have CDs.. Please buff ST

[vale monolith]

is FB with 4 set pulling ahead of DS in M+?

[manic quartz]

no

[static glacier]

yes, do activate spatter but you can spread a lot more bleeds on the first pull of floodgate

[vale monolith]

DS M+ build best to run still?

[static glacier]

especially garotte while ic is up

[vale monolith]

ic?

[static glacier]

this vanish isn't great either

[waxen oyster]

Does anyone else

[static glacier]

indiscriminate carnage

[waxen oyster]

look at their damage breakdown

and see how every talent does work

and wonder how people even consider fatebound in dungeons

[obsidian harbor]

Need to spam mor garrote/rap?

[humble verge]

whar da shiv

[obsidian harbor]

And: we have a macro to target in easy way the mob with Deathstalker's Mark ?

[lusty narwhal]

Set focus

Target focus

[obsidian harbor]

In big pull change target to spread garrote/rap it's hard to find

[static glacier]

yes for sure

[amber mountain]

Or get Plater and put a nice big mark icon on some nicely stacked plates

[obsidian harbor]

Normally use focus to cast trick on tank, need to change macro?

[obsidian harbor]

I'm now use plater but in big pull (5+mob) it's hard to find the right healthbar

[manic quartz]

i just do mouseover ruptures & garrotes

[static glacier]

@obsidian harbor best rule to follow is use garotte as your top prio generator (excluding spatter) when ic is up and not all the mobs are garotted

rupture is a bit more nuanced, generally I like to spread to 9 on the big pulls, but generally you want to get rupture on the biggest high hp mobs in the pack

[obsidian harbor]

Have you a macro to share with me?

[static glacier]

so on first pull flood you deffo want it on the big robots and the caster dog guy

who does the fire beam

[solemn nymph]

is the hybrid build better for 12s and up or just play bleed build?

[static glacier]

forgot the name

[lusty narwhal]

Could also just mouseover tricks the tank

[static glacier]

bleed, hybrid makes much worse use of the tierset

[solemn nymph]

ty

[west crown]

@balmy condor says every 2 mins for Fatebound single target guide // Wowhead

[obsidian harbor]

Really not smart decision, cast on target it's really easy

[static glacier]

did you select tier set 4pc?

[viscid spear]

What am I doing with Prism if I don't have 4pc? Just send on CD or delay to DM?

[static glacier]

i think you'd use it with dm, like for deathstalker

[west crown]

yeah

[static glacier]

rip, guess he will fix

[manic quartz]

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover, exists, harm, nodead][] Rupture

[balmy condor]

I need to make a whole new entry

for that

god

thanks for pointing it out

but that's also possibly the most annoying thing to fix

[lusty narwhal]

Why? You cast it once per pull lol. You dont need to focus a tank

[viscid spear]

What do I do with Rik's barrels?

[obsidian harbor]

If need trink in the middle of a boss (mob spawn etc) it's a little tricky to use, no?

[lusty narwhal]

Why would you need to do that

[ebon prism]

U rupture to 9 targets? Isn't that a big waste?

[lusty narwhal]

But also no, its not hard

[static glacier]

no, it does a lot of damage and ensures when the pack starts dying I don't have to reapply rupture if the higher hp mobs don't have rupture

[manic quartz]

scent of blood goes hard

[static glacier]

scent is only up to 5

[kindred imp]

So Lily sims higher then Forge trinket for Fatebound. So if one runs mythic raid, Lily is the play since most of the fights are FB? If im reading the guide and sim right.

[waxen oyster]

yeah turns out you shouldnt play a 2min trinket for a 1.5min spec

so lily naturally becomes better

[echo heath]

Hey guys how do I build combo points?

[waxen oyster]

turn your monitor off

[lusty narwhal]

Looted a mythic lily today, gunna be sweet until mythic prism

[hexed root]

are sims broken for netherprism or something? bloodmallet has it wayyyyyy higher then any other trinket but raidbots doesnt seem to agree?

[lusty narwhal]

Its the best we can get

Depends what you have equipped already

[hexed root]

710 lily/704 antenna

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4cUKSgv2AEnREuqsc6mmZe

[silk sundial]

BiS myth ring(fatebound), or myth legs, shoulders?

[hexed root]

figure based off bloodmallet it'd sim higher at 704

[static glacier]

im leaning legs since 1st boss drops ring, sim it

[lusty narwhal]

If youre simming a 710 lily vs a 704 prism, the lily is going to come out ahead

[silk sundial]

Legs are a little ahead on all the sims

Across all specs

[hexed root]

i see now, might've been mixing it up with looking at sub

[lusty narwhal]

It also depends on your stats right

If you have more mastery then lily will probably lose some value etc

[nova river]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lusty narwhal]

Bloodmallet is usually just a guide

[viscid spear]

Another inquiry
I don't have 4pc and am currently using Forge+Prism. As FB how do I space the trinkets out?

[ebon prism]

Hmm I feel like it's a waste of a lot of gcds and the rupture dmg is so little instead of just going into caustic spatter envenoms right away

Just get to 5 and go into funnel

[static glacier]

you do you, this is what works for me, i've yet to lose an overall

[fallow sonnet]

yo when you guys do for example opening pull of floodgate (like huge aoe), when ur setting up bleeds do you use every possible window where rupture and garrote are applicable within the IC window to apply rupture and garrote before going into deathmark shiv envenom spam window? like its hard to word this properly but essentially the burst i do is apply a few garrotes and ruptures, get crimson tempest out if theres a ton of mobs around me, continue applying garrote and rupture , deathmark shiv into envenom spam, vanish, reapply rupture and garrote repeatedly reapply crimson tempest then shiv again

is that right or am i applying TOO many bleeds in the uncapped situation

[static glacier]

also you simply can't go into caustic bc the mobs aren't stacked, you spread bleeds while tank gathers, garotting of the mobs he tags with damage and running with him

[viscid spear]

???

[static glacier]

keep in mind the key word earlier I said to him in my advice

not just spread more bleeds but earlier

you can easily get out 6 garottes + 6 ruptures before the pack is stacked

[static glacier]

read above, it's clearly a divisive topic how many bleeds you choose to spread, the minimum is 5 ruptures + as many garottes as you can have on the enemies.

[fallow sonnet]

so garrote is higher prio than rupture assuming u have all agi stacks from rupture

?

[gritty laurel]

i mean, i guess put one on the non-DM KBs, but running double on use without the 4p tier sounds giga ass (or even with it because fuck double on use)

yes because it generates combo points and improved garrote is pretty good

[static glacier]

yes 100%. it's incredibly high damage per execute if there's still mobs without garotte to dot

and unlike rupture doesn't really have a competing generator, fok can generate more cp but does a lot less damage

[fallow sonnet]

oooh ok

[static glacier]

I'd recommend reading wowhead

or watching whispyr's video guides

[sleek topaz]

Why do I want to cast vanish? Just not sure why it's important for dps in this way.

[pulsar elk]

Just gpt 4 piece, when using FB. Do i not use KB by itself after i get through my opener?

[normal mist]

it

says

right

there

[brazen vale]

This is hard one, myth pants might be the go, but we are very close to killing loom myth, myth wrists could be good if i switch out my crafted to worst tier piece, i think trinkets might be good for outlaw but yeah im big confusion

[obsidian harbor]

I can find usefull macros to put target on my Deathstalker's Mark?

[static glacier]

you do, every 45s you will kb.

[sleek topaz]

I don't see where it says why. I just see that it says to do it. Can you explain please?

[gritty laurel]

read the fatebound talents

[static glacier]

never wrists, everyone is blindly following bis lists which feature crafted wrists, you will get them from raid on soulbinder if you need

[normal mist]

double jeopardy on the hero talents FB

Vanish there is to guarantee you'll get lucky coin

[thick juniper]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[thick juniper]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[haughty flicker]

why is my sim progress randomly jumping forward and backwards by 20%

o.o

[gritty laurel]

the sim has finally had it with our shit

[pulsar elk]

during the opener that second shiv, is it used during 8 secs of DM or the 8 seconds of KB?

[sleek topaz]

Thank you

[brazen vale]

good call, think its worth going myth pants just to cata them? i just think loom will fall over pretty quick when thats on farm will be easy access to legs token

[static glacier]

it's legs, let your raidteam have the legs

you want to maximise your raidteams dps, not just your own

[haughty flicker]

that doesnt sound like something i would do

[static glacier]

[spice spire]

[mint ravine]

during the last 8 sec of KB

[brazen vale]

i guess thats true, i think im over vauling one vault, we dont have too many people on my tier token is what im worried about

[static glacier]

it's wild how sometimes people actually lose sight of raiding being a cooperative game

[static glacier]

issue is would anything else be an upgrade?

[hot pasture]

someone has the first kill loomithar log? my guild wanna rotate me because low dmg on add xD

[static glacier]

you could hold vault if you want

if there's actually no one on your token

[buoyant herald]

Oh no it’s rik all over again

[haughty flicker]

just hit the add a few times and then show them the tank damage you're doing to it

[hot pasture]

its rik again bro

[viscid spear]

Should I put my S2 Pacemaker on instead?

[haughty flicker]

and go back to hitting boss

[static glacier]

do they have another rogue or are they just willing to give up the raidbuff?

[buoyant herald]

This doesn’t work, you just get told to hard swap please or get subbed out anyway lol

[haughty flicker]

tell them about how great atro is

[brazen vale]

like my outlaw offspec maybe becasue myth warpclaw, but idk if thats even good for outlaw

[haughty flicker]

its even better than devo

they cant sit a rogue

[hot pasture]

ahaha i dk sub its worst in this boss

[haughty flicker]

atro is op

[buoyant herald]

Or go sub 🤔

[haughty flicker]

or go sub

can always dance tangles

kinda cursed but

if it gets the job done

[hot pasture]

yep but holy ahaha

i guess my teammates will kill the boss

[static glacier]

it's 3rd bis for OL on bloodmallet, idk if it's simbait or good

maybe ask in outlaw

seems it's actually good