assassination

[minor coyote]

[dense cedar]

just to replace the disc belt

when you see that an item is really strong despite its ilvl

that isn't a call to spend resources to get that slot marginally stronger asap

[woven frost]

Just wait for a myth track one. Don’t push hero past 4/6 unless you’re not planning on doing anything that gives myth gear

[minor coyote]

we shall leave the belt until i drop a mfkin mythic belt then

got it :x

i did push my set pieces

to 6/6

hero

[dense cedar]

belt is one of the weakest slots

[woven frost]

It’s okay. The masses here will only judge you 2/6th of the time then

[dense cedar]

no reason to seek upgrading it on purpose

[minor coyote]

so like gilded crests only on myth items then?

[dense cedar]

inneficient but will ultiamte not matter

[minor coyote]

and maybe set piece hero...?

[dense cedar]

that or really good heroic trinkets

like a heroic prism

[woven frost]

Yep- because of gilded cap. Once we get more gilded later in the season, go ham

[dense cedar]

a heroic netherprism is a good 6/6 candidate

[minor coyote]

and what about runed crests, just full send those or?

[woven frost]

Full send on high value pieces

[dense cedar]

get hero 3 pieces

from 10s

and if they're worth it

make them 4/6

[torn dome]

we playing m+ spec at soulhunters?

[dense cedar]

there's no need to upgrade gear from 1/6 or 2/6 to 3/6

since the content you earn 3/6 from doesn't need it

[minor coyote]

oki

ty :x

[woven frost]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/manaforge-omega-raid-tips#manaforge-omega

That’ll give you builds for each boss

[dense cedar]

i will say that the soul hunters one is misleading

[zealous delta]

anyone have the bleed build string for me

[dense cedar]

every top sin log for that fight in heroic and literally all of the logged mythic ones

use bleed build

[woven frost]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/deathstalker/DAOFVVFRRBUVQmJBQCQANVUVVVUIQUFiQUBEEFVVUCFA

[rigid rapids]

Hello can somebody help me out and tell me why my dmg is giga dogshit compared to any other assa rogues on warcraftlogs, im new to the spec and i watched some tutorials and doing fine on m+ but on raids my dmg is like half of the other rogues on my ilvl
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/argent-dawn/vereel

[dry epoch]

trinkets please? raidboots out XD

[warm vortex]

"hey i wonder why this rogue didn't doo that much"

[strange python]

Ok, im single target on a boss in an M+ so i'm bleed build. Find it really difficult to stay above 150 energy but also do respectable boss damage.

Any tips?

[spice surge]

You dont think about staying above 150 energy

[regal pecan]

dont stay over 150

[spice surge]

Stop doing that

[regal pecan]

only aoe

but you spread rupture for that so its np

[dense cedar]

haven't looked at all of them but your plexus kill from the 22nd, you od the opener very wrong

with fatebound

[haughty flicker]

first off not having tier doesnt help

secondly this is not good

[dense cedar]

99% of the opener sequence is mandatory for good dps throughout the fight

[haughty flicker]

very not good

learn opener and repeat it every time deathmark is up

and your parse goes up 70% easy

[dense cedar]

your fractilus opener

[woven frost]

It’ll help to macro your CB and KB

[dense cedar]

you're kinda just pressing buttons

wait

oh right

[haughty flicker]

waiting

[dense cedar]

people have stealth bars usually

i was like

how did u even have a blindside proc

gonna assume that's an ambush/mut shared keybind between stances

like normal people have

[radiant quarry]

Have we had any word on fixes to our bugs?

[cyan dew]

Guys, Dimension is a good fight for sin or it mess up our cd's?

[dense cedar]

[dense cedar]

heroic?

if so ye

mythic? probably

[cyan dew]

Ty

playing outlaw atm and that fight is ASS with that spec

[dense cedar]

2 billion lightyears of downtime

[cyan dew]

ye

[red schooner]

It was alright, had to hold deathmark on second platform so it'd be up for damage amp but like, seemed okay

[buoyant herald]

It’s not bad once you’ve got 4pce I think

Only small holding times yeah

[haughty flicker]

ye i was playing sub and send flag on second platform

and didnt have it up for amp

[dense cedar]

sub sandbagging reigns supreme

[shell shell]

Anyone can coach me? 🙁

[wide berry]

are we running deathstalker or FB on araz?

[mint summit]

So does cloak just not work on 2nd boss of gambit?

On the dot

[analog field]

For me it was first platform use DM and then exactly at 6min where p3 starts without 4set

[dense cedar]

believe it just prevents the damage, so that you can keep the benefits of it

[mint summit]

Damn. I was tryna remove it cause the healer died

[mint summit]

And the dot keeps stacking while cloaked i believe. At least from what I noticed

[dense cedar]

unfortunate

[slim sorrel]

Is Asa so bugged than it's more worth to play sub rn?

[haughty flicker]

sub is almost definitely more bugged than assa is

both are still performing very well, play whichever you like most

if bugs bother you too much this is probably the wrong class for you

or wrong game tbh

[normal mist]

floodgate 11

Not even the bugs can stop us

[rough nimbus]

now do that in dawnbreaker

[normal mist]

already timed my 10

not putting my feet there anymore

[rigid fable]

there is a wayy to quick focus a target if yes... there is a macro to kick focus?

[minor coyote]

guys, do i go ruby on all gems?

[normal mist]

if you want to

[minor coyote]

i mean is it good or is there a better option?

[dense cedar]

should check if rainbow gems is better dps

can do a normal gem sim and a "only max colours" one

[buoyant herald]

Yeah I mean the bugs suck but numerically it’s not like assa suddenly became unplayable. It was way up there in terms of overall

Maybe unplayable in principle lol

[light grove]

I dont know why i'm pretty huge in multi target but in mono target im so far behind my mates... Do i miss something in my rota (doing wowhead rota) or is this normal ?

[buoyant herald]

That’s normal

Expected even

[boreal mist]

Anyone know our estimated loss in st from the bugs in bleed build

[normal mist]

Most people don't even understand HOW the bugs affect them, they just go "fuck it this aint worth"

[normal mist]

ST? barely anything

in case you're not dragging mobs onto bosses

[buoyant herald]

You can already see that from the influx of people into the sub channel haha

[boreal mist]

What about aoe

[normal mist]

I don't chill in sub enough 🙁

[normal mist]

around 10%

[buoyant herald]

I did a sub key last night, wasn’t as bad as I remember it

[normal mist]

Last time i played sub was M+ DF s1

[buoyant herald]

But if I’m protesting assa then I become outlaw main

[normal mist]

it was enjoyable

[boreal mist]

I did raid as sub last night, felt alright but it felt like I cheated on assass

[normal mist]

xD

[buoyant herald]

I just hate hate HATE then sub tank damage every few pulls

I don’t mind sub in raid at all

Just keys make my tummy icky

[spice surge]

Sub isnt really doing bad damage outside cds in keys

Or well, outside dance you do very little

[normal mist]

Just so everyone understand, i thing every sub player is a LEGIT Chad

[buoyant herald]

Oh I know

But I’m bad

[minor coyote]

god help me with these trinkets

https://tenor.com/view/sticker-yung-joc-crying-meme-man-crying-meme-thebeyonderrrr-gif-828328460466032722

[spice surge]

But dances do good damage even without blades

[buoyant herald]

Yeah that’s what I mean by it not being as bad as I remember

From s1

[earnest remnant]

yeh i do between 12-15m on a normal sized pull without flag

[buoyant herald]

But outlaw is comfort pick and I do better damage with worse gear so 💁‍♂️

[kindred breach]

!wwa

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
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Devlin's Group
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Whispyr's Plater

[light grove]

Is it normal too feel ultra bad vs other spec un ST ?
And you are talking about bugs, which bugs exactly ?

[normal mist]

yes

its normal

check latest pin

Whispyr homie tells you everything you need to know

[boreal mist]

I gotta learn outlaw but effort

[buoyant herald]

Me but with sub

[normal mist]

Me but with assa

[boreal mist]

Also tracking dice is apparently more difficult than bleeds for me, go figure

[normal mist]

but i always play assa

[normal mist]

dice as it roll the bones?

[buoyant herald]

Dice the bones

[dense cedar]

bones made of dice

mouse dones

[boreal mist]

I just don't see how people keep that shit up always

[dense cedar]

rtb has a lower cd than its duration

[normal mist]

^

[dense cedar]

when ur pressing stuff

the best talent build rn makes them last even longer

[mint urchin]

KiR has pretty much always been the play

[boreal mist]

Me looking at outlaw be like, that's a lot of words, I chose bug spec instead

[normal mist]

i dislike kir

[dense cedar]

im Ho fan

[normal mist]

I love HO

[mint urchin]

I'm HO as well

But KiR numerically was always superior

[wicked shard]

I don't know if it was said but the Momentum of Despair/Follow the Blood tooltip is corrected now. Couldn't test if it works correctly now. However, the "typo" was corrected atleast

[normal mist]

they fixed GRAMMAR!

[mint urchin]

Nothing beats a KiR 5 buff

[dense cedar]

rtb 5 buff is so fucking stupid

it doesn't make any sense

[mint urchin]

It's the casino logic

The high is so high you keep going even when all you get is 1 and 2

[dense cedar]

original rtb logic was about matching dice rolls

[normal mist]

@wicked shard

[dense cedar]

so u could get 1 2 3 or 6 buffs

[normal mist]

this one isnt

[boreal mist]

Bro I'm so fucking ass at Gamba luck

[mint urchin]

You get that one pull where you get full buffs and just gap every other class in the game

And then do mid for the rest of the week

[young helm]

can some1 help with the stat weights for assa in raid, i see in the guide we getting haste and versa, what numbers i should be aiming for ?

[wicked shard]

Okay, so we basically get the shadowlands boomy typo treatment

[spice surge]

Doesnt really matter, highest ilvl mostly

[dense cedar]

u dont care about such things

EPIC GEARING STRAT!!!

if its hero track or higher

just hold onto it

[spice surge]

Its not fixed, but yeah now it says crimson atleast

[normal mist]

xDD

[wicked shard]

i cant

i was so happy to see that stealth "fix"

[young helm]

but still i have some window for adjustment is there anything i should be aiming for ?

[dense cedar]

u can run droptemizer

[normal mist]

for raid having crit is good

Fatebound ST

sims usually move towards crit

[dense cedar]

trying to trick this guy into buying your crit ring boe, smh

[normal mist]

wait, there's one?!

alright then

[spice surge]

All the BoEs have random stats this tier

[normal mist]

I just figured that out too

[wicked shard]

300k cheaper on my realm

[spice surge]

Would recommend wowp2w

A website that shows prices across all realms

[clever sparrow]

what is a pandemic rupture? its envenom tho

[normal mist]

wowanalyzer isnt really updated is it?

i assume thats wowanalyzer

[clever sparrow]

yeah

its not but idk any better way to learn

[normal mist]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[clever sparrow]

im suck and idk why

[hexed canopy]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[clever sparrow]

intresting

thanks

[dense cedar]

best mechanic in the game

[fringe sierra]

Did they fix the bugs for sin?

[normal mist]

@clever sparrow its basically this

[dense cedar]

no

we wait for reset to see

[clever sparrow]

AHHHHHH

so should we always do it?

[normal mist]

"Yes"

Depends

[fringe sierra]

Thanks for reply!

[normal mist]

normal garrotes yes

improved garrotes you let them fall down

but the WA does that for you

[clever sparrow]

Yeah i know this one 😄

i didnt know why it glows when we have like 9 second of rupture

now i know

[dense cedar]

psychotic WAs my dude

keep on keeping on

[normal mist]

Ez gg, you just gained more dps

[clever sparrow]

😄

EZ PZ

[normal mist]

during a fight they aren't obviously all glowing xD

[dense cedar]

BIG ASS STEALTH BUTTON

[normal mist]

i dont even look at it honestly

[clever sparrow]

one more thing is about gems
how do i know what gems should i use (its kinda hard to sim for me idk what to do )

[dense cedar]

ur operating on a completely different wavelength

[normal mist]

for assassination in specific, stats are just good. You can however go heavy into crit / something because raid ST FB wants crit

[dense cedar]

should just gem for the diamond

[normal mist]

its not that big

wanna know why?

because i like to go fast

[dense cedar]

LMAO

[dense cedar]

why move around tho

[normal mist]

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[dense cedar]

just shadowstep

4! shadowsteps in FB

[normal mist]

CAN'T STOP WON'T STOP

[dense cedar]

i will not move

[normal mist]

UP UP AND AWAY

[tight ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-running-funny-weird-gif-14261571

[normal mist]

I love moving fast

[dense cedar]

legit tho even the crit damage diamond

its so minor

[normal mist]

do you really think it matters? i can get better parses purely by playing better and knowing the fights better

all of those were with speed meta gem

in my opinion with nothing to back my statement up, you can parse 90-95 purely by knowing your spec and the fight and obviously having decent ilvl

(IN HEROIC OR LOWER)

[inland escarp]

Kill times and tank positioning effect parses most imo

[normal mist]

That also helps yeah

[magic fossil]

whats is a good or the right opener on bosses when playing bleed mythic+?

[dense cedar]

parry is thematic

[normal mist]

i mostly raid with my guild

[hexed canopy]

anyone got a scent of blood tracker ? mine isnt working anymore

[normal mist]

LE rupture WA tracks it

or atleast it tracks how many targets you have ruptured

which is the same thing

[gritty laurel]

what's the raid rep cap this week? google has been absolute dogshit at answering this very simple question

[hexed canopy]

do you have a link? pls^^

[normal mist]

3(?)

[normal mist]

moment

[gritty laurel]

okay that's what i thought, appreciate you

[normal mist]

https://wago.io/XTpVNerm7

[hexed canopy]

nv, got it^^

thx 😄

[normal mist]

😄

[hallow solstice]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[pulsar plank]

for m+ dps are Oathsworn's Tenacity and Stonebound Artistry the best? The guides says different but the top guys on rio does this

[marsh fjord]

@balmy condor how big is that nerf to atenna you think?

3% less crit

[cunning scaffold]

That’s a pretty insignificant nerf

[balmy condor]

sounds like a 3% nerf

[marsh fjord]

Poggies woggies

[cunning scaffold]

Likely will still gap other trinkets

[balmy condor]

idk if it's really "gapping" all that much

people are simming 0% miss rate and going "LOOK NUMBER HIGH"

and then showing up to raid/m+

and missing like 10-20%

[rich stream]

do i need to go back in the floodgate mines?

[waxen oyster]

Just get a myth pace

week 1

[rich stream]

i got a myth signet week 1

[waxen oyster]

unlaaki

[balmy condor]

myth signet

[minor coyote]

omg!

dropped on fractillus

heroic

[rich stream]

with leech

[minor coyote]

im 4/4 set

[balmy condor]

yeah but signet lmao

[vocal seal]

double crafted weapon gang

[balmy condor]

grats

[minor coyote]

new player luck i guess

rolled a 90!

i didnt do bad in dps either

witht he ST fatebound

i did like 2.9

Happy

improving!!!

[rich stream]

oh this is the opposite of bragging

[waxen oyster]

why would you ever do that

[vocal seal]

not me

get off my back cuh

[clever sparrow]

since the diamond is about gem "color"
should i get all colors? 😄

[minor coyote]

wdym?

[vocal seal]

not you

[pulsar plank]

Does anyone know this?

[vocal seal]

Xiani

[waxen oyster]

dear god i hope that oh is something else

[spring moat]

I’m 702 and got 2+2. Hope for good vault tomorrow

[trim fjord]

Will the nerf to antenna trinket knock it down from s tier ?

[spice surge]

It doesnt particularly matter, any of the secondary stat enchants are fine

[waxen oyster]

grats on your socket

[flint escarp]

I'm close to illiterate, is the 4 set bonus on deathstalker even that good?

[vocal seal]

more shiv time more damage up time !

more good

more deathmark consume

more everything

[flint escarp]

I'm a believer now

[waxen oyster]

You can just add tier to topgear

and see the actual gain

[spring moat]

Last week vault was a helmet with socket

[vocal seal]

mashallah brother may the 4set be with you

[waxen oyster]

fatebound 4set makes you question why you sub to this game

[uneven plume]

surely they fix assa today

🤝

[vocal seal]

[waxen oyster]

nah sub season

[uneven plume]

sub getting gulaged today

buggin

[vocal seal]

outlaw 500% buff

[waxen oyster]

Sub getting nerfed would be a meme

niche ass spec

[clever sparrow]

any idea how to sim gems?

[waxen oyster]

its a raidbots option

you just select them

[clever sparrow]

should i select all of them?

[waxen oyster]

You can if you have premium

[clever sparrow]

damn

[waxen oyster]

i cant speak for how much you should care for 2k dps

[clever sparrow]

tbh i just want to minmax a little*

gem wont fix my 6mil overall

[serene wyvern]

quick question, hos should i sim for m+? is dungeon slice worth?

[clever sparrow]

but maybe it makes it 6.1mil overall

[clever sparrow]

only dungeon slice

[waxen oyster]

not even

having good tank gives more overall

[clever sparrow]

yes!

[normal mist]

idk if anyone answered but you should at least have 4 different colours and please dont socket gems with stamina

[clever sparrow]

Yes sir

[waxen oyster]

buying a racechange would give more dps

than changing gems

ngl

[pulsar plank]

Hey I'm trying to sim weapon enchants but it does not take the enchants as combinations for some reason

[clever sparrow]

p2w game EW

[normal mist]

but it wouldnt give me more speed

[clever sparrow]

xd

[waxen oyster]

yeah neither matters

[normal mist]

BUT

I GO FAST

[waxen oyster]

20k dps on like

a 4.9m sim is

lmao?

[normal mist]

based and fast

[clever sparrow]

YES
may i ask your IO?

[normal mist]

yes you may

[clever sparrow]

only this guy can feel us i guess

😄

[normal mist]

I may also let you know that i'm a casual

[clever sparrow]

the fact that a casual knows what pandemic is and I DONT! is insane 😄

[pulsar plank]

OHH my bad lol

[clever sparrow]

Atleast you got a transmog

😄

[normal mist]

its my main channel here honestly

FYI im an heroic raider that does M+ only for cosmetic rewards

I might know some shit because i spend way too much time here with people that actually know

[waxen oyster]

that set would look better on a real race

[pulsar plank]

Will these options give me the best combination out of all possibilites?

[balmy condor]

it's gonna sim the combinations of whatever you select for your enchants

you just have to hit the replace box to make sure it overrides existing enchants

if it's not ticked, it won't try to enchant gear that's already enchanted

[waxen oyster]

about to hit you with the

[warm vortex]

They released tuning notes guys!!

For trinkets

[clever sparrow]

AHHH

[clever sparrow]

im Male Belf

[balmy condor]

an absolute nothingburger as well

[clever sparrow]

what you think am i a real race? B)

[waxen oyster]

eww

[normal mist]

i am full set'ing

[clever sparrow]

tbh its better than Fbelf

[normal mist]

i like this one

[waxen oyster]

Not really no

[waxen oyster]

only good male race is undead

and orc

[pulsar plank]

I see but forgive my stupidity--I selected 3 for mh and 3 for oh. Will it do 1-1, 1-2, 1-3, 2-1, 2-2.. and so on?

[warm vortex]

Worgen

Tauren

[waxen oyster]

playing worgen

[warm vortex]

Pandaren

[clever sparrow]

and human

and tauren

and? dwarf

[waxen oyster]

male human looks stupid asf

[balmy condor]

yes

[clever sparrow]

HELL YEAH DWARF

[warm vortex]

Dwarf too yea

[mighty vine]

human racial bis. i can brick 2 keys back to back

[clever sparrow]

if i had money i would probably change race

[lunar pond]

Human male model dumb

[clever sparrow]

BELF IS THE UGLYEST SHT I'VE EVER HAD

[waxen oyster]

female human>male human model

[warm vortex]

Male trolls are cool too

[vocal seal]

female Belf to goon

[lunar pond]

Almost as bad as male nelf

[clever sparrow]

do they exist?

[warm vortex]

No thats vulpera

https://tenor.com/view/vulpera-world-of-warcraft-warcraft-gif-26162364

[vocal seal]

https://tenor.com/view/vulpera-world-of-warcraft-warcraft-gif-26162364

[warm vortex]

Haha omg

[vocal seal]

AJHAHAHHAHAHA

[warm vortex]

XD

[vocal seal]

no wayyy

[pulsar plank]

Yes it actually did that. Looks like top raider.io guys were right

[gritty laurel]

vulpera make me wish i could've sided with garrosh

[waxen oyster]

Ok now look how much different the other combinations are

[warm vortex]

That was literally the exact same post time lmao

[balmy condor]

yeah, top raider.io guys and the guides and everyone

[wicked shard]

I think I've not seen a more cursed GIF in weeks - thank you for that

[vocal seal]

yeahh ahahah actually in sync

[balmy condor]

the fact that it's mixing oathsworn and artistry is whack as hell though

is what it is I guess

[pulsar plank]

I'm sorry but the guides says Enchant Weapon - Council's Guile

[gritty laurel]

his io? whack. his mog? whack. his enchants? whack.

[clever sparrow]

rip my authority of the depths?

[waxen oyster]

You realize the enchants are likely

0.1% apart

at best

[balmy condor]

did you sim council's guile and/or do you already have a ton of crit?

[surreal adder]

@balmy condor thoughts

[normal mist]

3% nerf

[surreal adder]

dead trinket gg!

[clever sparrow]

🙁

[balmy condor]

@surreal adder 3% worse

[pulsar plank]

Yeah I know but they are too damn expensive might as well get the best one right?

[warm vortex]

I think this one would be pronounced yif

[clever sparrow]

i feel like my rogue is flying now 😄

[waxen oyster]

they’re 3k

how is that “expensive”

[balmy condor]

the "best one" will change depending on the rest of your gear

[normal mist]

right?! its actually so fast

[clever sparrow]

my neck also gave me 10% speed 😄

with the boots enchant

so yeah 😄

[balmy condor]

wait you didn't even sim council's guile

[clever sparrow]

walking

[nova kelp]

hang on, if you're talking about casual I think he's been running sub which makes sense why he's changed his weapon enchants a bit more

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-smash-wood-playing-gif-17749007

[balmy condor]

you simmed the two shit ones with radiant power and depths

and then simmed one of the good secondary stat enchants on each hand

[normal mist]

you need to repair!!

[balmy condor]

and it spit out that you should use the good secondary enchants

[nova kelp]

nah earlier nooer had asked about those weapon enchants because the "top rogue" was running them

[clever sparrow]

i've become poor after buying all those gems
so no thanks 😄

[nova kelp]

but casual been playing sub

[balmy condor]

I mean sure

but if you're gonna sim enchants

you would think you'd sim like

all of the relevant, good enchants

[keen spruce]

nooer type faster

[waxen oyster]

so fiery resolve

[normal mist]

Whispyr can you stop making sense?

[waxen oyster]

thanks king

[normal mist]

ffs

[balmy condor]

[pulsar plank]

Well I bought midnight base and upgraded to epic edition with token and now I'm broke in game. I know at the time it sounded like I'm outsmarting blizz

[vocal seal]

hold up

u can do that

[pulsar plank]

Well yeah it adds to your balance

[waxen oyster]

Yeah a token is like 15 blizz balance

[vocal seal]

ive been living in the stone ages

[waxen oyster]

Depends if you have more dollars or gold

[keen spruce]

to be fair

[vocal seal]

a few gold coins from boosting

[keen spruce]

the hourly rate of boosting for gold

is like

bread crumbs

just go to work

[pulsar plank]

new season = more gold from boosts

[waxen oyster]

The cost of nerubar was too damn high

[keen spruce]

[waxen oyster]

prob spent like 2m

on the fucker

[balmy condor]

dont make me get a j*b

[waxen oyster]

that might be counting the gold i spent on the bruto

also like yeah boost gold hourly rate is shit

unless you’re selling ce with mount

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/work-rihanna-twerk-twerking-working-gif-13897952

[keen spruce]

yeah I did the math in season 1 and it was hilarious

for heroic sales

[waxen oyster]

its always been pennies

[maiden sierra]

the difference in dps between my guild and random pugs makes me want to bash my head against the wall

[waxen oyster]

if you’re in a first world country and not doing ce mount sales

imo

[warm vortex]

Imma wake up and hope there are patch notes fixing BM stampede and Assa

[balmy condor]

turns out all the good players have guilds and friends to push with and so LFG is full of animals

[maiden sierra]

[keen spruce]

ur gonna wake up and eat some cheese

🐀

[maiden sierra]

i wish my guild pushed early keys like i do, alas they only do 10s until later in the season

[waxen oyster]

I can find some non rat pugs if i like

do morning keys on the weekend

evening pugs are fucking rats though

[maiden sierra]

managed to bring them into 1 +13 key

[maiden sierra]

oh those are nice

[waxen oyster]

yeah idk good pugs dont exist during primetime hours

they only somewhat are ok on demon hours when barely anyone is on

[warm vortex]

Yippee!

[maiden sierra]

i wonder how much more damage i will do when they bugfix rogue

maybe ill reach 9mil dps

[keen spruce]

if*

[maiden sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/disco-cat-gif-21912205

[waxen oyster]

They’ll fix in midnight prepatch

[maiden sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sit-bench-gif-4667535

[waxen oyster]

They got to make the cringe new dh spec

and buff evoker

[maiden sierra]

thats it time to close the assassination channel

[tawdry halo]

just watched whispyr's video

[maiden sierra]

[tawdry halo]

least played class problmes

[maiden sierra]

oh buddy but did you read the bible in the pins?

[waxen oyster]

Are we really played less than windwankers

[tawdry halo]

played less than monks

[maiden sierra]

no we got a bunch of FOTM rerollers

[tawdry halo]

not sure if assa played less than WW or not

[waxen oyster]

Because when assa is good

it draws some people

easiest rogue spec

[tawdry halo]

easy to gap my AOTC guild mates on an easy spec

[waxen oyster]

though rogue in general is still more than

like ret or fdk

[tawdry halo]

@balmy condor the crashout at the end of your bug video is actually super cathartic to watch

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[wild pine]

how exactly do i use the tricks weak aura?

[maiden sierra]

tf is cathartic? explain for a dirty foreigner

[wild pine]

or macro or whatever it is

[balmy condor]

glad it helped

[surreal valve]

Hi guys Im new here and new to WoW its probably my 5th day in WoW and I just did my M+ and I really need help cause sometimes I pop off in terms of dmg and other I dont is there any guide u advice? or any1 wouldnt mind go on a call and help me rotation wise and tips etc?

[balmy condor]

you get the weakaura and the accompying macro, put the macro on your bars, that's tricks now

[tawdry halo]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[tawdry halo]

wowhead good

[maiden sierra]

whispyr video better

[balmy condor]

cathartic is like a feeling of relief or calm you get from a strong emotional outburst. Like when you scream at someone and then feel immediately better, screaming at them was cathartic

[vocal cradle]

so i dont know how to play sub but (i play assa) should i like get hekili for sub or something or would i still do more with ds on the aoe fights lmao?

[surreal valve]

Thank you Ive seen some guides and I feel like I havent nailed the rotations and sometimes the bleed spreads and others it doesnt Idk

[vocal cradle]

im ass at this game i know lmao

[maiden sierra]

ah i see, i dont think ive ever felt that way huh

[balmy condor]

I feel that way constantly

[tawdry halo]

probably best to look at the rotation in a guide and hit target dummys for a bit to get the flow right

[balmy condor]

but I also record myself yelling about a video game in a quiet room with no one around

so

maybe I'm just schizo

[maiden sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/recovering-grip-on-reality-cat-cat-inspection-gif-26954108

[vocal cradle]

damn the bugs are putting ds that far down? lmao

[tawdry halo]

bleed build in assa is still good for m+

[balmy condor]

DS in single target already sucked ass

bug or not

the bugs just also mean there's no funnel

so you just get a bunch of aoe

and uh

that's about it

[tawdry halo]

Also not a bad idea to know how to play another spec

variety is the spice of life, etc

as long as the spec isnt outlaw

[clever sparrow]

how long does it take them to actualy fix the singular focus bug?

alot?

[tawdry halo]

[maiden sierra]

what is that question

[clever sparrow]

💔

[maiden sierra]

how would we know

[onyx spindle]

it's blizzard, so...

[clever sparrow]

depens on the past 😄

[tawdry halo]

my uncle works at blizzard and he said its their #1 priority

[surreal valve]

what is that?

[clever sparrow]

how long does that take them to fix other bugs

do they even fix bugs?

[maiden sierra]

sometimes they fix things, sometimes they dont shrug

[clever sparrow]

or just make more

[balmy condor]

let me just call my singular focus bug fixer-guy

https://tenor.com/view/pawn-stars-gif-4899922095565476362

[tight ginkgo]

ah yes freud's concept of displacement

[clever sparrow]

Thanks ❤️

[humble verge]

lmao, barely a nerf

[haughty flicker]

yeah i dont think that sways much

feel a bit less bad about not having it ig

[digital venture]

yeah, it's prolly still bis for everyone, right?

[humble verge]

imagine not having 6/6 myth first week

[haughty flicker]

we only had two pulls of soulbinder and we didnt kill

so not even a chance in vault

[humble verge]

rip

wait

how long did you guys spend on plexus?

[haughty flicker]

8 pulls i think

[balmy condor]

pl0xus hard

[haughty flicker]

we just slow

[balmy condor]

[humble verge]

after doing hc?

[haughty flicker]

little babi guild

yeah

[humble verge]

honestly

[balmy condor]

well week 1 was hard

[humble verge]

forgeweaver so far

doesnt feel that hard

the only issue is the CC rotation

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean it got giga nerfed

[humble verge]

so ass

[balmy condor]

[humble verge]

it went from

them all being 6/8 rest being 3/8

then nerf

everyone got a kill

[pulsar coral]

soleah buffed to one hour

does that make it bis

[humble verge]

no

[haughty flicker]

it just means you have to reapply it less often

it doesnt make it any stronger than it already was

[pulsar coral]

ya, which made it an F tier trinket

at 30 mins

[haughty flicker]

real

[clever sparrow]

just saw a paladin he was 2/8 mythic with astral and araz 💔

[haughty flicker]

[humble verge]

lmao

[haughty flicker]

meanwhile im using a champ lily

[clever sparrow]

reported him to get a ban

😄

[haughty flicker]

reported for terrorism

[clever sparrow]

YES

[waxen oyster]

plexus is a healer check

so

low ce guilds will wall on it for a bit

[hot jay]

is the simc logic alternating my trinkets for each CD set automatically? Like when I run a droptimizer it seems to understand that replacing my passive trinket with netherprism is really good

but it doesn't show any gain for an araz forge over a lily

or do I have to do something custom to make simc do that

sorry, this was more of a question for the sub channel but....the sim logic question is really what I'm asking anyway

[main bridge]

You can just run separate sims with top gear to force the combinations you want

I think it runs all combinations anyway though

[marsh fjord]

@balmy condor sorry for ping but we move away from despair in raids fights right because of the bug and just play blood?

[haughty flicker]

afaik they only recently updated sub apl to use forge and prism properly

[hot jay]

hmm

[haughty flicker]

other double on use doesnt work very well

[hot jay]

I'm using a weekly simc version so maybe I should try nightly

[balmy condor]

blood doesn't do anything in raids is the issue but at least the talent works

[haughty flicker]

never weekly

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure thats the only worth combo

[haughty flicker]

sim latest

[balmy condor]

you should basically always use latest

there's no reason not to

[hot jay]

hard to see how an araz forge would be equal with a lily and alternating logic

[balmy condor]

that reminds me that I probably need to also fix double on-use

for fatebound

[waxen oyster]

ewww

[haughty flicker]

[waxen oyster]

just dont

[hearty flame]

Anyone taking bets on how long to fix the rogue bugs?

I'm thinking halfway through Midnight

[zenith elm]

Have you simmed the trinkets with the new tuning ?

[marsh fjord]

oh yeah because of CT right?

[zenith elm]

I'll say never

[clever sparrow]

sanguine blade double dips? maybe this week
but singular focus?

[zenith elm]

Singular focus not working on caustic splatter is a joke for hybrid btw 🤣

[tawdry halo]

hybrid

[balmy condor]

you need 2 ruptures out for it to work, and you're mostly only ever sniping, and even if you do have 2 ruptures out it's only really gonna buff fok

[balmy condor]

people play hybrid?

[tawdry halo]

bleed build best build

it has alliteration so you know it's true

[haughty flicker]

true

[zenith elm]

I've seen a few friends still playing hybrid yrs

Yes*

[balmy condor]

bleed build is alliteration and #assassination is illiteration

we are not the same

[zenith elm]

Saying its better for bosses

[tawdry halo]

we are the illiterati

[balmy condor]

[zenith elm]

I'm saying they are crazy crazy

[balmy condor]

brooooooooooo

IT HAS KINGSBANE BROOOOOOO

[zenith elm]

I KNOW

[balmy condor]

ITS BETTER

[zenith elm]

Its weeeeak

[balmy condor]

DUDE HOW IS IT NOT BETTER

IT HAS KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINGSBANE

[zenith elm]

I dont like it in DUNGEONS

Its feels

MEH

[tawdry halo]

thats some real feelcraft reasoning right there

[zenith elm]

Sometimes you need to send it on low packs

[tawdry halo]

[zenith elm]

And it does NOTHING

[balmy condor]

hybrid is legit all the downsides of playing a more difficult build + caustic focused but with no damage upside

[runic hinge]

Buff kingsbane bliizzard you cowards!

[zenith elm]

I always trust my feelings

[balmy condor]

it's actually just

[weary spear]

Even better send on a big pack and still do nothing

[balmy condor]

the worst of all worlds

[clever sparrow]

i played hybrid yesterday and i was wondered why it feels like i cant kill main target xd

[tawdry halo]

it didnt even do good boss damage in S1 when it was meta

[zenith elm]

Yeah, i agree

[balmy condor]

you do less aoe and the same shit ST and then you also have to sync cds up and need to ramp

[tawdry halo]

so you may as well pop off on trash mobs

[zenith elm]

Sync Cds up is the biggest downside for me

[tawdry halo]

does your friend read guides?

[balmy condor]

to be fair, that could also just be cause you're playing hybrid

[clever sparrow]

i was just trying it on a 7 xd

[zenith elm]

He doesnt understand english

[tawdry halo]

o

[clever sparrow]

isnt cleave also bad rn with these bugs?

[balmy condor]

cleave is bad too yes

[zenith elm]

And idk much french assa rogue lol

[tawdry halo]

french??

[zenith elm]

Everything bad

[tawdry halo]

oh boy

[zenith elm]

EXCEPT

[royal hazel]

Sooo buggy

[zenith elm]

Bleed

[royal hazel]

Bless fatebpund thought

*in raid

[zenith elm]

Yeah i love fatebound

[clever sparrow]

play it on ST 😢

[zenith elm]

Even if ppl abuse the bugs on ST

[waxen oyster]

eww

[clever sparrow]

sometimes on boss fights im thinking about rerolling xd

[fresh kelp]

boy do i know a rogue for him

[haughty flicker]

[zenith elm]

I do too

But he likes his hands guys

[tawdry halo]

if you want sick boss damage in m+ as a rogue play sub i guess idk

[zenith elm]

He doesnt to get carpal tunnel syndrome

[clever sparrow]

its hard to m

e

my brain cant handle that much button press

[tawdry halo]

[zenith elm]

Isnt it like nearly the same ?

[arctic venture]

sub is over sin in mythic plus by now?

dps?

[clever sparrow]

(iwas lazy to watch video)

[zenith elm]

They dont have much

Like all macroed nearly?

[clever sparrow]

nope

[tawdry halo]

nah sub is like anti-macro

for all the 1% optimisations that add up to like 6% or something

[clever sparrow]

i just hate the fact that you should use 1 back stab on shado w dance

[zenith elm]

YES

[clever sparrow]

it made my brain notresponding for a moment

[zenith elm]

This

I hate it too

Thats why i'm assa rogue, its easy to play

And i can zone out most of the fights

[surreal valve]

what would u say its the best M+ build to go? Ive seen the builds and they differ a bit can some1 help

[tawdry halo]

wdym having a separate keybind for backstab during dance isn't engaging gameplay?

[clever sparrow]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +20's or higher, you should play bleed
3. Even if you're doing higher, you should probably play bleed
4. No, Fatebound is not good, you play Deathstalker in every key.

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• 11.2/Season 3: Bleed has gotten stronger through some buffs and the single target damage you get from singular focus is ridiculously good with the tier set. During PTR testing many high end rogues were just playing bleed everywhere.
• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave build is mainly for boss damage (note: not prio, there is no significant difference in prio). Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and some bosses during season 2 were not possible on high keys otherwise. It remains to be seen what push keys in Season 3 will bring in that regard.
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal. Rookery is not in the rotation in Season 3, and there are a lot of AoE dungeons. Dawnbreaker might be a candidate, but unsure currently.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead outside of low target cleave and higher target AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage. At the end of the day, the builds are extremely similar, but Bleed is looking to simply be the best.

[tawdry halo]

[zenith elm]

Bleed, only bleed

[clever sparrow]

BLEED

[balmy condor]

bleed and it's not close

[royal hazel]

Spread and maintain bleeds gg ez

[spice surge]

That command is a bit outdated now

[haughty flicker]

i just use the macro that makes shadowdance keybind into backstab during dance

ez

[spice surge]

Its just bleed all the way now in s3

[clever sparrow]

its still bleed

[zenith elm]

No

[clever sparrow]

never talked about anything else

[balmy condor]

I even updated it

[zenith elm]

Its always bleed

[balmy condor]

[clever sparrow]

let me see

[balmy condor]

let you see what

[royal hazel]

Let him see..the light

[balmy condor]

you're the one that used the command

??????

what the fuck do you mean

let me see

[inland escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/rickandmorty-showme-gif-7658980

[zenith elm]

Hahahaha

[royal hazel]

[surreal valve]

okok thank you guys and when you say bleed you including crimson tempest? and how do you juggle the bleed? you ambush some1 and than apply the build to them so its spread correct? sorry if its basic stuff but Im really really new

[spice surge]

Ye youre right im just dumb

[clever sparrow]

"Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage."
if they fix the bug.

[zenith elm]

Ragebaiting us at this point lol

[balmy condor]

crimson tempest is required in m+ yes, you just maintain it

[umbral sierra]

!chain pull

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[surreal valve]

what do you mean?

[balmy condor]

???

[surreal valve]

ok thank you

[zenith elm]

Nah i'm just kidding man lol

Just keep all the bleeds up

[balmy condor]

bugs ain't got shit to do with that

[zenith elm]

Even in ST

You'll do good

[clever sparrow]

but singular focus? or it doesnt matter that much on cleave?

[zenith elm]

Singular focus doesnt go BRRR with hybrid and cleave

And it makes me sad

[surreal valve]

its just I feel weird applying the bleeds but I figured out that u can spread even hitting only one target but he need to be marked correct?

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/did-you-read-it-calvin-jordan-kingdom-business-s1e4-have-you-tried-reading-it-gif-27463266

[royal hazel]

Let me see

[balmy condor]

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[clever sparrow]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[zenith elm]

No doesnt need to, you mark it at the start and then you do your life

[clever sparrow]

INTERSTING

[tawdry halo]

its a talent called Indiscriminate Carnage

[clever sparrow]

I GOT MY ASNWER 😂

[normal mist]

bleed

[tawdry halo]

have you read the guide?

[clever sparrow]

in the best way possible xd

[wicked shard]

This "IF" hurts my feelings

[zenith elm]

Is it in french,

[surreal valve]

oh ok

[zenith elm]

?*

[magic fossil]

@balmy condor throw him a can of white monster mate

[zenith elm]

Can we have the next videos/ guide in french pls ?

[balmy condor]

bro just woke up and wanted to spam ping me with a command I wrote

not having read it

and then read it

[royal hazel]

Raja jackson style

[balmy condor]

pinged me again

[tawdry halo]

wait how many french people need this advice

[balmy condor]

and then still didn't read it

diabolical work

[zenith elm]

I mean

[tawdry halo]

my b i assume people are lazy

[zenith elm]

Most french arent good with english

[tawdry halo]

not strugglign with a foreign language

[zenith elm]

Depends where you're from

I'm from Belgium so i speak 3 languages lol

[balmy condor]

it's like taking a quote from a book for your english report but you didn't read the book and you didn't the quote and you're not in an english class, you're just spam calling your 4th grade teacher on a monday

[zenith elm]

I should learn dutch, but lazy

I can feel whispyr losing sanity points as he speaks

[marsh fjord]

imagine being belgian and dont know dutch

🙁

[waxen oyster]

Just take your anger out

[zenith elm]

Pouet pouet cacahuete

[waxen oyster]

on scam callers

[fathom flax]

Rogues so bugged the discord is full of them

[zenith elm]

Full of what?

Full of bugs ?

[waxen oyster]

Chat is it bad if i tell scam callers/phishers to unalive

[main bridge]

i think they are calling us bugs 🐛

[waxen oyster]

[zenith elm]

Can i be a beetle ?

[dim nymph]

antenna got a 3% nerf lol

[zenith elm]

Still BIS

[zenith elm]

Honest response ? You should do worse

[balmy condor]

if we're bugs, could I be a mayfly so that I'm gonna die in 5 min

[waxen oyster]

blizz nerfing antenna by 3%

Is like the intern clocking in

then immediately going to take a shit

”i did my work”

[zenith elm]

3 percent is gonna change the way

Trust

[waxen oyster]

”how can i pretend i did tuning work today?”

”give that op trinket a nothingburger”

[zenith elm]

It was only a 2 percent overall dmg buff to have antenna over any trinkets

So i guess 3 percent nerf should do

[spice surge]

3% is blizzard knowing its not a fantastic trinket but the community thinks its fantastic so they have to nerf it a bit so the perception of the trinket lowers

[zenith elm]

(Its 20 to 30 percent stronger)

[waxen oyster]

i wonder how much of the community

[zenith elm]

I mean, sims seems good ?

[waxen oyster]

doesnt read past “bis”

[gritty laurel]

simming well and being good in practice aren't always the same

[dim nymph]

the only acronym i understand is bis sorry

[zenith elm]

Yeah but apparently sims doesnt do crazy shits with it

[balmy condor]

it sims good cause people sim a 0% miss rate

[waxen oyster]

yeah ask outlaw mains

[zenith elm]

Just let them come to it

[zenith elm]

YOU CAN MISS IT ?

[balmy condor]

have you

[spice surge]

Well if you dont walk into the orbs

[balmy condor]

read the fucking trinket

[dim nymph]

bruh

[zenith elm]

Its orbs

[agile osprey]

[zenith elm]

But it flies towards you no,

[spice surge]

They do

[runic hinge]

You’re a butterfly because you’ve metamorphosed into having pretty colors and being really cute

[dim nymph]

how to look stupid 101 lol

[spice surge]

But theyre not infinite

[balmy condor]

let me draw this out for you

[zenith elm]

So how can you miss

[gritty laurel]

oh shit, new paint drop?

[zenith elm]

Yay

[dim nymph]

ragebait speedrun 100% category

[zenith elm]

I provoked this

[balmy condor]

so the orb spawns yes

and it goes towards you

[clever sparrow]

TBH I DIDNT KNOW THAT YOU CAN MISS IT

[balmy condor]

now rub your tiny braincells together right

[clever sparrow]

i was like what the fuck is this missrate in Sims

[balmy condor]

and imagine

you're now here

with red

[turbid lion]

arent all braincells tiny?

[zenith elm]

Oooh

[balmy condor]

are you where the orb is

or not

[zenith elm]

I though it followew ?

Followed*

Like evoker orbs

[gritty laurel]

it not followew

[waxen oyster]

I like how people simp antenna

yet hated on branch

[balmy condor]

anyways the point of all of this

sim like 10-20% miss rate

and you'll see antenna isn't as fucking giga as you thought

[agile osprey]

branch was so much worse than this

[zenith elm]

Ok good to know

[fossil falcon]

Hi guys, how much percentage is the difference from playing with the season 2 tier set and playing wiht the new one?

[waxen oyster]

This is why im a pacemaker truther

[zenith elm]

I hate it now

[balmy condor]

insane cope

[zenith elm]

Huge

Like 3000000 percent

[sonic zinc]

branch was dope

[clever sparrow]

season 2 tier set 🤣

[agile osprey]

I see orb, "ooo piece of candy" and grab that shit

[clever sparrow]

worst sht ive ever seen

[zenith elm]

What did branch give ?

[fossil falcon]

Lol ok thx

[agile osprey]

branch was annoying af kiting the last orb out

[sonic zinc]

mastery

[dim nymph]

honestly just grab double on use with hoa trinket and call it a day fr

[zenith elm]

Oooh

We like mastery

[zenith elm]

I was the only one ragebaiting dont copy me 🙁

[waxen oyster]

Edging the last orb

[clever sparrow]

i had a stone idol in my bag cause i dont want to replace my MIGHTY WRATHSTONE