assassination

[balmy condor]

vanish before you shiv, fuck it

as long as you're vanishing and getting an extra edge-case flip

legit irrelevant when

well, extra edge-case during deathmark*

vanishing on random ass kingsbanes is obviously not great

[spice spire]

Love edging during dm

[midnight snow]

i love edging to xal feet

[spice spire]

?

[midnight snow]

no nothing

dont mind it

[shrewd night]

Too late

[midnight snow]

[shrewd night]

Ur on a list now

[midnight snow]

damn

[spice surge]

Quakes gooner list

[red schooner]

(Its just the full server)

[spice surge]

[shrewd night]

[spice surge]

[red schooner]

Okay, time to force myself through one more 10 key and then I'm free til wednesday

[humble verge]

you think, if i send this to my tinder match, itll work?

[grim jay]

Probably not, but if so you atleast found your real match ig

[humble verge]

i found an old meme

[surreal vale]

I just saw the video about the bugs

[sharp junco]

!offhand

[bitter iris]

isn't it a bit weird sims tells me to stack vers+haste gems

[dense cedar]

what do u wanna know

[sharp junco]

How important ilvl on offhand is

[dense cedar]

not at all really

[sharp junco]

If so, what DMG scales with offhand

[dense cedar]

its a low value stat stick

only mh wdps matters

[main bridge]

!oh

[prisma monolith]

biS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. On top of this, all stats being good on Assassination means there are currently over 500 "BiS" combinations that are within margin of error. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS from world content is especially not helpful, and we do not maintain any lists of these types. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character.

[sharp junco]

Oki oerf

[main bridge]

Hmm that seems like an odd response for !oh

[dense cedar]

so u basically just wanna craft a dagger for mh

till you get a mythic 723 one

then throw ur crafted in the oh

still then just throw w/e hero dagger u ahve

[sharp junco]

Y i have and have a 671 oh at 700ilvl

[junior goblet]

is bleed build still the go to for sub 16 keys? or have we moved on?

[spice spire]

Moroes partied too hard this weekend

[dense cedar]

Bleed is the way to go

[main bridge]

You can just play all bleed all the time now

[bitter iris]

if anyone knows anything about this (dungeon slice btw)

[spice surge]

Stats doesnt really matter

Theyre probably within the blue margin of error bit (<0.2%) on your sim which means theyre practically the same as the other alternatives anyway

[bitter iris]

yeah was just curious why would the vers ones be on top or if im missing something 😄

i'd have thought they'd be the bottom of the margin if anything

[main bridge]

It’s not weird to use haste/vers gems because all stats exist in a balance. You’re never going to stack haste and mastery forever. Eventually something else will give more value

[shy axle]

first raidnight with 4p yesterday and god damn, dm and kb got misaligned so often, dm had 60 seconds, kb 15 secs more or less. Would not have thought that this bug happens so often

how do you play when you cannot use kb and it has 30 seconds left and you would desync it with dm? just keep it until dm?

[bitter iris]

alright yeah, thought there was something else maybe alongside that, thanks!

[errant heath]

I think in Whispyr’s video about this you can stop the desync from happening by making sure the dropped coin is picked up ( it flies to you from the ground) takes like a second. That’s worked for me so far

[warm vortex]

He is just super pissed off haha

He just wants to rant and ramble

I wonder if nay old commands work acc

!unity

[shy axle]

picked up? what does that mean

[humble verge]

hes literally me

[midnight snow]

so its basically better to use deathstalker until fb will get patched up in ST?

[gentle delta]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2r49VFNTU1suFookaJ9Wq1
does this look right? I should just use lily and hold it for deathmark right

[viscid spear]

MFer playing in a well

Sadako type bitch, smh

[dense cedar]

lily and dm should align

same cd

[gusty mirage]

Do you also wide swing cubby in B bomb site in dust2?

[humble verge]

its his house wtf

[devout mist]

Hey quick question, is it better to shiv one after another when u KB+DM or wait for last 8 secs of KB (on fatebound)

[humble verge]

idk men, i jus pleh gem

[gusty mirage]

[gentle delta]

dm is 2 minutes lily 1.5 no?

[dense cedar]

do u not have 4p?

sim said u did

[gentle delta]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-willem-dafoe-christian-gif-25996870

i was learning assa for the first time

so was looking at my gear

[main bridge]

Guide says wait for last 8s

In practice that’s only like a three second difference anyway

[mighty vine]

Not in KB+DM window, you shiv for DM window

[viscid spear]

His father threw him in the well?

[dense cedar]

kb is already going to be at max stacks by the end of the first shiv

can just shiv again right after

[devout mist]

Guide says after first shiv fades

But last ticks of KB deal the most dmg

[acoustic roost]

if you played at all last season, or just bored this season if you do a 5mask horrific vision it unlocks veteran weapons from the vendor which can go to 691 in the current season

[devout mist]

Ah makes sense

Thx

Bring back ammirdrasil KB 😦

[dense cedar]

• yeah with running arterial in ST

the shiv damage bonus for the double rupture/garrote also damage factor

[royal lantern]

fuck no

[dense cedar]

bring back legion kb

[humble verge]

hes a cat

its his house

its stone

[sharp junco]

oooh smart

Do we save vanish to flip both coins so it last for the last tick of kingsbane or just send when using deathmark and kingsbane.

Same with shiv, do we have shiv and use so it covers last tick of kingsbane or use at the same time as kingsbane(when we dont have deathmark up)

Fatebound ST

[viscid spear]

[candid token]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[candid token]

Ehm.. how do I request a log review again? 0.o

[red schooner]

Type !log

Wait, no

Wrong channel

Just post a log in here and someone can have a look at it

[candid token]

O thankyou

Could anyone have a peek at my log and help me optimize it a bit? I feel like there's a bunch I can do better but I'm not sure if things just are what they are sometimes 0.o

Thanks in advance

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/y3GvFtNWn1wpaHrj?fight=5&type=damage-done&source=23

[balmy condor]

I'm mostly just in awe this log hasn't gotten banned

[fresh kelp]

holy moly that opener

this guys got a 0.01s gcd

[balmy condor]

yeah just casually 17 seconds of GCDs in under 1.5 seconds

[earnest remnant]

lmfao

[candid token]

What? 0.o

[earnest remnant]

alot of globals

very little time

[candid token]

Wtf

[earnest remnant]

is what they are saying

[rocky condor]

lol

[sharp junco]

you used like 20 spells in 2 seconds

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-hackerman-kung-fury-gif-7953536

[candid token]

I don't remember it looking like that

[balmy condor]

whoever ran the log is either abusing and modifying the log

[rocky condor]

He got my full 3 Min Rotation in under 7 Seconds

[balmy condor]

or it's just bugged to shit

[fallen arch]

What sorcery is this

[candid token]

Didn't I log that one?

[fallen arch]

2 shivs in 1 seconds

[balmy condor]

idk, are you wamo2

[candid token]

No

[balmy condor]

then I guess not

[storm forum]

This is what the mage support class is gonna do

[candid token]

Hang on

[sharp junco]

every1 has an opener of 15+ mil

[red schooner]

They asked the mage to hit timewarp, and he took that personally.

[earnest remnant]

i still remember that feral guy doing that

giving himself full rank 1s

[balmy condor]

but yeah usually when this happens, the person logged went in and tampered with the timings

[earnest remnant]

like people couldnt tell he did it xD

[balmy condor]

yeah lmao

[sharp junco]

the mage sure likes arcane blast

[candid token]

I knew it was weird, i was sure I didn't have an orange parse

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AT3aGm4zktFZL1W9?fight=9&type=damage-done

Here's the one I logged

Sorry 0.o

[sharp junco]

that looks more nromal

[candid token]

I gotta look into who logged that hm..

[fresh kelp]

was the rdruid

[candid token]

[red schooner]

Yeah looks like the rdruid given other logs

[spring moat]

I hope some attention got brought to the devs after the video went on. YouTube feels bad that death stalker is very broken.

[nova kelp]

mate loomithar myth is a doozy

[royal lantern]

tbf, thats a accurate arcane mage rotation

[burnt star]

Interesting

[golden loom]

warrior was mad AS FUCK

[candid token]

Ultra rage

[balmy condor]

on your off-dm kingsbanes, shiv the last 8, and remove poisoned knife from your bars

[burnt star]

Thats when the boss does the pushback tho. Isnt it

[candid token]

Ye

[balmy condor]

this vanish physically hurts, what are you getting from this

[spice surge]

Ye but its better to just not use anything

Than to cast poisoned knife

[balmy condor]

you could press literally anything else

[candid token]

Yeah I already fixed the vanish issue in my latest logs

[wide sleet]

hey just got home from work. surely they fixed our spec????

[royal lantern]

a ambush

[candid token]

I failed to understand it for a bit.. now I use it with Deathmark for coins

[deep gyro]

Lol. Keep on praying

[candid token]

That's correct right?

[burnt star]

Guenine question.. Its not targetable by melee attack Cose of range. Why would building cp be worst then Doing nothing. Gonna have full energy by the time he reach the boss again.

[wide sleet]

ait i go kms

[royal lantern]

the only moment when you can think about pressing throwing knife is when you are literally capped on energy, not full CP, cant reach the enemy for like 8 more seconds and will generate full energy from using it because of it

aka

literally never really

[burnt star]

Well.. sentinel is like that tho..

[candid token]

Can one theoretically bind Vanish to DM?

[burnt star]

U can see he shadowstep and did envenom

[royal lantern]

? no

[candid token]

Or is it better to use before KB

[royal lantern]

you run to him quick and then slap lol

[balmy condor]

yes, vanish for +1 edge case flips

[royal lantern]

and on mythic you hit adds

[dense cedar]

wow, this is pro gaming

[balmy condor]

I mean, in theory sure I guess, just make sure you don't have that when you go into m+

[candid token]

Haha yeh will do

[deep gyro]

Triple rogue

[royal lantern]

why use few abilitys when many better

[balmy condor]

but yah I mean it's a 92

[candid token]

I feel like I struggle with energy for KB later in the fight, I suppose this is just normal and I should keep on stabbin'?

[balmy condor]

it's not like you're magically going to find an extra 2mil dps or whatever

these are minor things

[balmy condor]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[candid token]

Yee true, I just like to optimize and the science behind it

[glass root]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[candid token]

Is it worse to trigger a Thistle Tea to uphold Envenom or to just send it? Or is that basically what is implied in !design?

I had a stronk reading that myself but i hope you got the gist

Forcefully chugged tea bad?

[spring moat]

4pc bonus huge? I am on mobile and can’t figure out how to look at the pins.

[royal lantern]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[royal lantern]

yes

[flint swallow]

guys i'm trying to macro Deathmark and kingsbane but it's not working

[midnight snow]

it have sense to vanish after shiv but before dm+kb?

[earnest remnant]

they are both on the global

[flint swallow]

is this a bug or it's supposed to don't work ?

[earnest remnant]

so you cant

[balmy condor]

for fatebound it's actually technically better to just let it auto-proc

in full ST at least

[candid token]

That feels so bad

[placid adder]

Hit the search on top right than click pins

[midnight snow]

i cant figure out this fckin fatebound shyt

[candid token]

But it's good to know, Assassination really has a lot of "sounds bad but it works" kinda things

[balmy condor]

you just complained about energy, I'm offering you a solution to get the absolute most energy out of tea

[somber sparrow]

all these coin tosses confuse me 😄

[balmy condor]

guaranteed 0 overcap from tea

and you complain?

tsk

[coral ibex]

there's nothing to "get" on fatebound except when to vanish and remembering to shiv before DM

[spring moat]

I tried it out and my DPS went down somehow death stalker forever

[candid token]

Nono sorry I dont mind to sound like I'm doubting you

[coral ibex]

its literally just default rogue

[golden loom]

default rogue with buggy cds

[balmy condor]

I'm just kidding man

[coral ibex]

[candid token]

I just think it feels bad, I appreciate your input

[balmy condor]

I have no will left to be angry after staring at a bug list for the last 4 days

[flint swallow]

again, is the macro deathmark and kingsbane bugged?

[coral ibex]

no

[balmy condor]

no

[coral ibex]

both are on the gcd

you can't macro them together

[flint swallow]

oh ok

[coral ibex]

whoever told you that you can was wrong

[earnest remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[candid token]

I appreciate all you do for us Whispyr ❤️

[spring moat]

Any idea if it will be addressed before tomorrow?

[deep gyro]

Lol imagine blizz caring for rogues

[coral ibex]

caustic spatter doing too much damage better nerf that RIGHT NOW

https://imgur.com/a/HKyWckV

[wanton spear]

no rogue reworks like they promised in midnight is sadge

[balmy condor]

yeh lemme just call up Johnathan Blizzard and ask for a status report on those bugs at 7am on a monday I'll get right back to you

[coral ibex]

get me john blizz

NOW

[spring moat]

I mean, go right ahead. I just haven’t been keeping track of any blue posts or sort.

[midnight snow]

btw, in terms of % how much is fatebound better then deathstalker now

[placid adder]

Shut the discord down and we’ll have it fixed tm

[midnight snow]

i mean, assuming this shyt isnt bugged

[coral ibex]

isnt it like 15% ahead of DS or something insane

[midnight snow]

and everything works

[balmy condor]

there is no blue post to keep track of, we're just coming out of the weekend?

[wanton spear]

lol if we shut the rogue discord down, all blizz would do is go "who?"

[deep gyro]

Yea lets be like the rets

[balmy condor]

depends on the situation but realistically like 18%+ in single target and DS lost like 60-70% of its funnel and also doesn't have momentum of despair currently, so you probably just play fatebound everywhere

[deep gyro]

So we can get a 5% aura buff

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/bug-gif-21306211

[balmy condor]

even as a joke this is so fucking stupid

[spring moat]

It’s like they want everybody to play sub

[wanton spear]

could you imagine the crashout the ret players would have if they had to deal with like 30% of our bugs

[deep gyro]

Sub train hype!!!

[swift whale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xd1RYv3NwhaPmVWF?fight=last

Could anyone point out anything I could do better this dungeon?

Except for restealth more since that wasn't on my tanks wishlist for this year

[earnest remnant]

sub has just as many if not more xD

[balmy condor]

the hell is happening here

[golden loom]

does singular focus work for sub

[earnest remnant]

dont know

[golden loom]

the question noone knows cause noone dares to test

[earnest remnant]

DS is unplayable for sub

so no reason to test it

cba

[balmy condor]

also you opened with 3 ruptures

but then only 2 garrotes?

[swift whale]

Ara 1st pull, the smallies got giga blown up so didn't throw spam garrotes, the 3rd rupture was on the caster behind (i should've garroted there as well ig)

[balmy condor]

[swift whale]

I'm kinda dumb, could you tell me what's wrong here?

[balmy condor]

you pressed vanish and then didn't spread bleeds

just waste a vanish for fun I guess idk

[swift whale]

I've been watching some danish rogue in keys (he's doing like 15-16s) and he's been using vanish for Master Assassin crit's (from what I gathered)

But from your reaction I'm going to assume that I either saw wrong or that that's wrong

[balmy condor]

I mean it could be correct if he knows that he's gonna get his restealths and can burn a vanish for that

but I would assume you don't know if you're gonna get that vanish back in 2 min or not

[arctic socket]

You should praise the guy for at least pressing feint

[balmy condor]

especially considering you do this like immediately on the next pack

you kinda needed the vanish lmao

[swift whale]

Is it then correct to:

• put up 5 ruptures + as many garrotes as I can
• mutilate shiv deathmark vanish > spam envenom

[balmy condor]

the first yes

the second no

[swift whale]

Or should I be chasing a lot more ruptures?

[balmy condor]

just scanning through this log you're over-rupturing and under-garroting

and just slamming vanishes for crit chance

which then leads to you sitting there manually tabbing through packs for the next 2-5 minutes

unless you know that you'll overcap vanish charges, slamming for crit is just not the move ever

like if you go into a boss with 2 vanish charges, yeah slam one for the crit whatever

it'll come back

but slamming one for crit in aoe and then groveling on your knees the very next pack because you don't have a way to spread

that's just cooked

[swift whale]

So #1 point, vanish is primarily used for rupture spread, got it

[spring moat]

Yay, I found a new bug my hero talent tree completely reset itself after brann died while I was fighting a boss in a delve

[arctic socket]

He’s not garroting enough because he doesn’t take iron wire

[swift whale]

I've been running keys with pugs and topping meters like that, but in my premade it feels like I'm unable to keep up, always being like 5-10% behind

[balmy condor]

yah just bleeds in general

rupture is basically just for scent/energy/caustic

garrote is the damage carrier from stealth

cause like think about the damage potential of your finishers vs your generators

you're in carnage, you could spend cp on spreading some chump ruptures, whatever

[dim meteor]

hey for fatebound it goes shiv>vanish>deathmark>kings bane?

[balmy condor]

or you could CT/envenom for spatter/darkest night (should be highest prio anyway)

3 ruptures ain't beating a big slammed envenom spatter

[quiet carbon]

How many smart applications will garrote and rupture do off the same target when leaving stealth?

[balmy condor]

but for garrote, you're just garroting to replace a fan of knives

[normal mist]

1+2

[balmy condor]

fan of knives ain't shit

it's just CP

so big garrotes good

[normal mist]

1 is your target, 2 is smart target

[novel star]

2

[balmy condor]

that's why we hit everything with improved garrotes, but rupture is just the buffer for scent and whatever

[novel star]

as royal is saying

[normal mist]

So if you slam the same target with ruptures+garrotes you will spread 3+2+2+2+2+2

[swift whale]

Keep in mind I'm nelf as well, and meld restealthed me once in 25 minutes xd

[normal mist]

Because you'll be reapplying your main target

[runic basin]

Is it true that the bugs are - 10-15% dmg?

[swift whale]

So kinda trying to nelf for bleed spread, but still, point taken

[quiet carbon]

Ok so it will keep applying to 2 new targets every time

[normal mist]

Yes

Always prioritizing targets not dotted

[balmy condor]

meld is a scam

[quiet carbon]

Cool for some reason I thought it capped at like 5

[swift whale]

it works 80% of the time 20% of the time

[quiet carbon]

Not sure why

[novel star]

everything in the game breaks meld

[balmy condor]

the music getting a little spookier takes you out of meld

[novel star]

including things that usually don’t break meld when they feel like getting quirky

like sure truesight makes sense but theres some other shit we don’t even know the repercussions of

[balmy condor]

True sight, true shot, how bout you get some true bitches that stay loyal and treat you right

[novel star]

I’m trying

I love her she loves me but it feels doomed whispyrrogue i don’t know if we can be a serious thing whispyrrogue what do i do whispyrrogue

please

[balmy condor]

I have the perfect advice do not fear my child

Uncspyr got the wisdom

You just gotta like

Jork it a lil

[runic basin]

Anyone knows how many dmg los are the current bugs are?

[deep gyro]

Uncspyr goes hard

[coral ibex]

romance troubles? better jork it

[novel star]

shit i’ve been doing that goat

[balmy condor]

Were you playing follow the blood in m+?

[coral ibex]

assa bugs? also jork it

[deep gyro]

Just give her a little love slap she’ll come around

[coral ibex]

wiping all night? actually, jork it

[halcyon saddle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[runic basin]

Yes

[novel star]

i’m just jorkinh it until tuesday when i can raid man

[balmy condor]

Roughly 10% then

[novel star]

i’m so bored

[shy axle]

with 4 set deathstalker, you got dn and shiv off cd, do you buff dn with shiv and fuck that -1 mark stack from shiv or do you env - shiv for the -1 on mark? i think the former but i want to make sure

[novel star]

[flint swallow]

yo whyspyer on that 3h video u did the first hour is based on m+ and Aoe right?

[balmy condor]

You dn then shiv

[coral ibex]

ive been learning sub

[runic basin]

So we are not playing it right now? And for ST? Like fateboubd in raid

[coral ibex]

[balmy condor]

The first hour should just be me talking about every talent and interaction

[shy axle]

okay thank you

[coral ibex]

i have to play the silly burst spec for raid prog bc "we can actually push for hof this season"

[flint swallow]

i mean the rotation part

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/chud-chudjak-wojak-soyjak-marcvin5-gif-13903021270190271130

fuck my stupid chungus life

[balmy condor]

You didn’t play ds in ST before, and you definitely don’t after, Fatebound is positively bugged

[novel star]

i’ve kinda been having fun with sub

[balmy condor]

I go over both

[gentle delta]

for dragon tempered blades does it matter which poison i'm applying secondary? or am i reading the tooltip wrong

[novel star]

u just don’t do anything

[balmy condor]

No, it’s a global reduction

[novel star]

eviscerate

[gentle delta]

[coral ibex]

me when i got conned into playing another spec that pools

[flint swallow]

is sub doing better on single target?

[novel star]

no

[coral ibex]

its better on damage amp fights

like araz, NK, dimmy

[runic basin]

Ah sorry i mean we dont Play follow the blood in m+ until its fixed?

Sad go here that fatebound overperforms..means nerfed for raid..

[coral ibex]

esp if you have prism

[novel star]

i mean

[balmy condor]

Follow the blood works as intended

[novel star]

i think the insane 90s add spawns are like more important than the amps even

but yea

it’s both

[fluid dust]

is fatebound doing more or less intended damage because of the bugs

[runic basin]

More

[novel star]

just a crazy raid for 1:30s but sin cds are too slow

[deep gyro]

Def a sub raid

[balmy condor]

Isn’t it always

[novel star]

[coral ibex]

is it? you will end up playing assa for either 4 or 5/8

[deep gyro]

[coral ibex]

[fresh kelp]

assa for the first 3 and 15 pull target dummy

[novel star]

3 sub fights 1 outlaw fight 4 sin fights

[deep gyro]

But for the more relevant fights sub feels better

[warm vortex]

0 combat fights

[deep gyro]

1 outlaw? Which one?

[novel star]

soul hunters

outlaw clears bleed build

[balmy condor]

I mean assa ain’t even really that much better on a lot of the “assa fights”

[coral ibex]

i think i'd rather jork my shit demon style with razors than play outlaw in this raid

[novel star]

yeah i mean fuck outlaw

[gray raven]

https://tenor.com/1z3x.gif

[deep gyro]

Lmao

[novel star]

but they do have one boss this tier

instead of 0

so

good for the pirates i guess

[coral ibex]

im pretty sure dimmy counts as -5 for how bad it is for outlaw

[deep gyro]

Imagine playing outlaw in 2025

[dapper halo]

lets ask some stupid questions, how do you transfer a deathmark without a vanish

[deep gyro]

U dont

[balmy condor]

A deathmark?

[novel star]

darkest night

[balmy condor]

Impossible

[deep gyro]

Deathmark is not the same as deathstalker mark

[dapper halo]

muh

[deep gyro]

Wrong

Lmao

[novel star]

i am too tired to do the joke

[deep gyro]

[novel star]

we all know what they meant

[balmy condor]

What’s dn

[deep gyro]

Nothing is impossible if you believe u can

[quiet carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-anakin-skywalker-i-shouldnt-i-shouldnt-do-this-i-should-not-gif-19285530

[novel star]

deez n-n…. sigh

i cant do this anymore

[coral ibex]

bro im coping please!!!!

[deep gyro]

So immature

[novel star]

[deep gyro]

Rogue players need to grow up

[fluid dust]

how much is the fatebound bug increasing assass st by roughly?

[deep gyro]

[loud crypt]

[balmy condor]

Like 2% idk

[deep gyro]

I’m kidding i’m a fan of dn and the garfs

[main bridge]

[balmy condor]

[rotund oak]

wanna express my frustration on why u arent on a wow related podcast yet

[balmy condor]

Bugged

[deep gyro]

This emote :0

[dapper halo]

has there been any signs of blizz fixing rouge bugs

[rotund oak]

say rouge one more time

🗡️

[balmy condor]

They literally fixed one last week

[loud crypt]

Maybe tuesday there will be a hotfix

[dapper halo]

rouge rouge rouge

;3

[ornate parcel]

but, they created a new bug with that one

so its kinda like, a push

[dapper halo]

i mean the bugs that the bugfix introduced

[spring moat]

5

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/eN85caNnI91.gif

[balmy condor]

Happens

[mighty vine]

Ive ran eco dome 20 times for this stupid trinket and it hasnt dropped. my sanity is slowly deteriorating

[balmy condor]

Only 20?

[mighty vine]

So far

[balmy condor]

Damn

Average is like 50-60

[spring moat]

I got it first try and then nothing dropped for me and raid last two weeks

[balmy condor]

Gl king

[dapper halo]

my farming this far

[placid adder]

I’ll never forget my 70 grim batol runs

[golden loom]

you will get a myth track one from vault anyways

thats usually how it goes

[mighty vine]

damn jinxed it, now im getting belts/boots

[rotund oak]

[balmy condor]

5 cloaks and a wrist

[golden loom]

no pacemaker at all week 1, leech pacemaker in vault

[wanton spear]

i didn't even look at the rest of my vault i saw myth lilly and slammed it instantly lol

[minor coyote]

I need everyone's brain here active to help me to disable this (sorry for breaking the chat) how do i get these two bars removed i tried everything 😭

[dense cedar]

you probably don't want to remove those

they're for telling you how long till a mechanic occurs

[minor coyote]

i wanted to put something else

but i wanted to get these off my screen or at least if the other thing isnt good to know for now to disable the DBM one

[mighty vine]

Not sure about DBM but I use BigWigs with the ElWigo addon that turns it into a timeline that scrolls down

[rich minnow]

guys i started playing rogue a bit ago and im doing 10s, is assassination unplayable compared to the rest due to the bugs?

[spice spire]

No

[shy heron]

Absolutely not

[glad tusk]

!bug

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[deep gyro]

Crazy that is the community perception.

[rich minnow]

i mean i have 0 notion about rogue so i have no idea whats going on

i just saw assassination vanish from raiderio

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/garfield-garfield-gun-garfield-murder-garfield-commiting-murder-funny-gif-22973598

[boreal mist]

in fatebound ST is running both forge and netherprism good, sims say no but i wouldve assumed forge on pull, nether at 1min 30, forge for 3 min and then full stack nether at 4:30 wouldve been good

[coral ibex]

forge is awful for fatebound

its 2m cd

fatebound is 90s

[deep gyro]

How the people are doing it is throwing the 18 stacks on the 3 min mark

[timber urchin]

i asked this abit ago but has anyone managed to get Parsons Ornamented Blade from dawnbreaker? I'm now on 30 runs trying to get the dagger and i havent seen it drop yet

[coral ibex]

you can hold prism for 3m but you really want a 90s trinket

[spice surge]

Its not awful, but theres better alternatives

[deep gyro]

Tbh id fuck with a forge and prism. Forge is def better than lily

[midnight scroll]

i got it, at 6/6 heroic it's only a 5k dps increase from 8/8 champ netherspike for me

[spice surge]

Its alright (but not amazing) for sub since a lot more of the damage is packed into the CDs relative to assa

[timber urchin]

im still running a 8/8 adventurer dagger, ive legit just done my 30th run of dawnbreaker on atleast +7

and i still havent seen it

[coral ibex]

why would you not just craft a mainhand at this point

[deep gyro]

This

[timber urchin]

i already have a MH 720 crafted

[coral ibex]

with either a free runed crest or a gilded

[timber urchin]

ofcourse

[coral ibex]

then your oh doesn't matter

at all

[deep gyro]

Then dw about oh

[coral ibex]

stop chasing a specific dagger

[timber urchin]

its my only non hero item

[coral ibex]

you can equip literally any dagger

[deep gyro]

Is it 704 already?

[coral ibex]

is my point

your offhand is just a stat stick with the lowest stat allocation of any slot

[timber urchin]

678

[coral ibex]

and assa stats are fake

[main bridge]

does anyone know the command to see the percentage value for each buff to rogue? like what skyfury does for example?

maybe it's not a command

[dense cedar]

!thepercentagevalueforeachbufftorogue?likewhatskyfurydoesforexample?

didn't work

[main bridge]

[carmine silo]

It's probably comparable to fdk where it's about 5%

[magic fossil]

what exaclty happened with caustic and singular, damage on caustic is not reflecting properly in singular focus?

[main bridge]

Whispyr has a nice video about all the bugs but basically caustic got bug fixed and now it does less damage

it's also in the pins

[deep gyro]

It’s also in the pins. But go watch the video and support uncspyr

[magic fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/awesome-ok-great-good-thumbs-up-gif-16351183

[ornate pier]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[dapper halo]

do you wait for dankest night in aoe to use shiv or just use it willynilly

[odd python]

So, assa is buggy AF, Outlaw can be played only by one french guy, does Sub wins as the spec to go this patch on mythic ?

[vale shore]

I have one

[main bridge]

Reroll BM hunter it’s over

[icy ether]

depends on your group organization.

I think your sin ST funnel with cleave still matches sub but if you need HECKA boss damage then you prob play sub

[odd python]

only hunter i play is survi

[icy ether]

and ur sin AoE is definitely just unhinged in bigger pulls even with the bug fixes

[odd python]

cool, thanks for info

[deep mango]

during aoe in our m+ rotation, do we want to mutilate to proc caustic spatter?

or is that beans

[spice surge]

All rogue specs are buggy as hell

[maiden sierra]

New rogue spec: bugster
Theme: abilities have random chance to bug out in either negative or giga op way.

[half tartan]

For the cold blood bug can we simply change to use the spell id instead of the name? That way it doesnt bug out when swapping between sin and sub?

[main bridge]

Try it and see

[main bridge]

Yes that is the only way to proc caustic spatter

[warm vortex]

Keep checking wowhead to see if bliz have released patch notes or anything lmao

[wicked shard]

same, in hourly fashion aswell

[errant hawk]

imagine our class is top meta but there is a bug that makes it low meta 😄

😄 😄 😄 😄

[hasty gate]

imagine being bugged and still doing most dmg

[dapper halo]

yea

[deep mango]

thanks, just realised that was a stupid question, but i got a little confused. thanks for clearing it up

[normal mist]

me frfr

[main bridge]

What class isn’t bugged in s3?

[normal mist]

me

Just returned home from a "maternity" class

[crimson bloom]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[uneven plume]

Yah even with bugs Assa still does top damage if not the most in aoe

[hazy valley]

During large pulls how stressed out should I make myself with spreading Rupture/Garrote? I use mouseover macros but find I often have several mobs it doesn't spread to and I end up losing my prio target trying to spread. Just focus one and it should ultimately spread to others?

Its also just hard to see through all the nameplates

[normal mist]

1 - select a target
2 - Rupture and garrote that target
3 - ???
4 - Profit

While opening, if you're still on IC, focus on getting at least 5 ruptures and generate CP's by Garroting, you'll end up with everyone with garrote, which is your main source of dmg during ic due to garrote buffing talents while maintaining 20% bonus agility from scent of blood. Its better to then spend CP's on CT and proccing DN//Envenoms (caustic) than spreading ruptures

[uneven aspen]

for fatebound, what do i do when it desyncs? do i hold kingsbane for coldblood, and then hold deathmark for next kingsbane and cold blood at the usual 1:30? (i do not want to try preventing it, id prefer just playing around it)

[wet spire]

I'm going to be honest it procs the bug so much I was getting 2 DM in p1 of demmy

[normal mist]

preventing the bug is actually not that hard

whispyr explained how in his latest video btw

[wet spire]

And again on the first platform

But yeah the video is goated I'd watch it

[uneven aspen]

is there an effective difference between preventing it, and just using cooldowns as if it wasnt bugged?

[normal mist]

The only difference is that i'm a pleb and i don't know how to then fix my CDs

that's why i couldnt tell you how to do it :x

[hazy valley]

Awesome, thanks for the info!

[normal mist]

#assassination message using whispyr's words here

[uneven aspen]

i just thought cold blood should in theory be an indicator of the proper timings, so i could just pay attention to that and use kb/dm accordingly even if i get too much cdr

[cyan mist]

Do you use shiv during kingsbane downtime ?

Since its got a 30 sec cd?

[uneven aspen]

and ngl i didnt understand the "how to avoid the bug" part, i dont know what exactly im supposed to be waiting for

[normal mist]

what build

what context

[cyan mist]

M+ build with 1 shiv after borstig with desthmsrk and kingsbane

Since kingsbane got a 1 Minute CD and shiv 30 sec can i use a shiv inbetween the kingsbane cooldown window

[normal mist]

you dont play kingsbane in m+

that build is dead

[cyan mist]

I think its called the hybrid build

Iirc it got kingsbane locked in

[normal mist]

yes

we dont play it

[main bridge]

In s3 it’s all bleed all the time

[normal mist]

Its so far behind bleed

bleed is just your best bet

UNLESS you want to force hybrid

[cyan mist]

Does bleed outperform the hybrid spec in ST as well ?

[normal mist]

most likely, specially if the tank starts the boss with trash mobs

EVEN if hybrid has better ST, you'd be losing so much AoE

that in the end you'd be losing overall

[fickle fossil]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[dapper halo]

aräo+ut59rjapa fucking fourth dagger

from flood

rreeeeee

[crisp venture]

i feel fortunate ive not had to farm a single dungeon

[dapper halo]

vitun hannui hanhi <3

[deep mango]

how many ruptures and garrotes are we supposed to keep up after the initial opener oens with IC? i find even keeping like 3 garrotes and 5 ruptures up pretty tedious

[dapper halo]

two

[deep mango]

of each?

[dapper halo]

is 6.13m average dps good for floodgate 6

[normal mist]

After IC you want garrote on your main target and try to keep 5 ruptures for scent of blood + CT 100% uptime

[deep mango]

oh just main target garrote?

thank god

[normal mist]

AFTER ic

[deep mango]

yes

[normal mist]

garrote without garrote talents from stealth isnt that good

[dapper halo]

im starting to think thatthe seaforium trinket is not even real

its mommy xals psyops

[clever sparrow]

there is no crit mastery ring 🙁

[dapper halo]

rimworld best game

[main bridge]

it's just like crit/mastery are the only stats

[deep gyro]

There is.. in raid

[thorny glade]

question for trinkets. I got the ritual forge in my vault, it sims better than my lily but blood mallet suggest using lily over it? any opinions on it?

[lyric nebula]

yoyo, with oonly having the new 2 set, do we press vanisch before kingsbane or after with fatebound in single target?:)

[main bridge]

sims reflect how good an item is for your gear. BM is a collection of sims using gear you do not have and may never have

[burnt star]

Always follow your sim
Ignore everything else and anyone telling u otherwise. B.i.s doesnt exist

[uncut oriole]

Any good WA for rogue somewhere on disc ?

[limber swallow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[clever sparrow]

raid leader wont give it to em

[normal mist]

after

[slim sorrel]

I was doing some simming around this as well.

As far as I know, ritual forge is bis unless you have 4set and for fatebound since you desync your CD from 2mins. With deathstalker its still really strong as you can line it up with death mark every time.

I think right now the best trinket for 4pc on use, is like netherprism or lily, but as ppl say you should prob sim yourself?

[normal mist]

Sim yourself yes

Those can be indeed really good but we need to have them first, until then, we just keep simming whatever we have

[slim sorrel]

Also I feel like bloodmallet is super generalized and is rarely 100% accurate.

[olive tree]

yo guys if u had to swap onto webs on loomithar mythic, would u rather swap to deathstalker so u just get 2min cds (the 1:45 version seems kinda fked)

[hearty flame]

Ya'll are MVPs, I was so confused with assassination mechanics when I made this toon lol

[silk sundial]

Deathstalker is worse at swapping since you have to juggle your mark. To even get setup you would have to time/save dn

[wet spire]

Never swap unless to rupture snipe

[olive tree]

well u cannot deny orders from rl can u 😂

i tried reasoning with him

[olive tree]

i know but my rl wants me to delay my cds and swap onto webs which results in wasted tiersetbonus

so i figured that deathstalker might just be better

[silk sundial]

If you have to swap, like my rl is saying, you're better of playing sub imo

[wet spire]

Your RL is trolling

And yeah just play sub then lol

[silk sundial]

Your gonna do shit dmg but at least the webs will die

[wanton spear]

rwf is gonna make all the meta chaser raid leaders think we can just swap to subt without having the gear for it lol

[earnest remnant]

your fault tbh, why didn't you personally not make FB shit on cleave?

slacker

[main bridge]

well you can. you don't need special gear to play sub

[olive tree]

i got gear for it

like just a different neck and ring

[wanton spear]

i have way to much crit/haste for sub

[silk sundial]

I was looking at logs. There were 25 sub logs on mythic loom. None of them did web dmg and did worse st.
Outlaw actually did web dmg

[wet spire]

I have decent gear for sub but sin still outperforms in st by alot even being bugged to shit

[olive tree]

ill drop to like 5% so its fine

[solid hemlock]

is there any sort of proc DR from running double council's guile weapon enchant?

[hearty flame]

Can someone explain the fb tier bug? I cannot watch Whispyr's video atm

[little tulip]

a little bit it feels like sub likes specific gearing to really go off

[dapper halo]

man i just ran floodgate 6 where it felt like i was boosting them lo

[real pike]

Sorry does your RL want you to use cooldowns on webs?

[wanton spear]

the only reason outlaw did web dam was blade flurry passively cleaving it most likely, honestly we are an ST spec adds are as it has been coined, "not our problem" lol

[marsh fjord]

WHen you get a lucky coin your cooldowns get reduced. sometimes the lucky coin comes twice. or not all. gives you 2 minut cooldown or a 1 minut cooldown

[delicate smelt]

chaotic nethergate worth to get?

[olive tree]

no hes like "delay ur 45s kb and do webs first" which results in kb on aoe dodge phase and so forth

😂

[dapper halo]

also why is the last boss trinket so poopy, its not even on any of the lists

isnt The Last Boss trinket supposed to be like good

[real pike]

He's an idiot

[olive tree]

"we dont hjave enough dmg for webs without everyone swapping"

[real pike]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtlety.

[olive tree]

yes ik

[wet spire]

If you dontnhave enough web dmg from the rest of the raid swapping

[main bridge]

well you can also just do it for one pull and show him how terrible the result is comparatively. i would think this is a convincing argument

[wet spire]

Thats super unfortunate

[real pike]

If you throw KB out at 45sec can you not swap to webs after it finishes

[olive tree]

already did that 😂

[forest nacelle]

why not just use Caustic spatter, is that not enough? just curious.

[olive tree]

out of range for that

[real pike]

Webs not close enough

[wet spire]

Range

[forest nacelle]

ohhhhhh right

[olive tree]

and u want them destroyed fast

[dapper halo]

this was a sad reality

[olive tree]

cuz of the snaired ppl

[marsh fjord]

only 5.7

weak

[real pike]

What difficulty is this on

[olive tree]

well that sham wasnt thanos but thranos

😄

[dapper halo]

yeah i had to hold off

[main bridge]

hope you got paid for that sale

[dapper halo]

tank couldnt keep agro

[silk sundial]

My point is, sub, sin, you aren't gonna do much to the webs. If you do, your overall is gonna be in the dumps on loomithar

[real pike]

Ye just send him the logs of you presumably doing highest boss dam on your pulls

[dapper halo]

i dont have any decent trinkets :< thats why poop dps

[real pike]

I mean if the rest of your raid isn't killing in time it's very unlucky

[obsidian shuttle]

Popquestion - Are you still able to unlock the Ghostblade artifact look ?

[real pike]

But they absolutely should be

[dapper halo]

how much total dps am i supposed to do

[olive tree]

can we even beat uh with pi on boss dps

[subtle oyster]

Yes

If you mean the hidden skin from the underbelly

[royal lantern]

no

[grim jay]

No

[obsidian shuttle]

No. The mage tower one.

[grim jay]

Thats magetower

[subtle oyster]

Mage tower you cant no

[obsidian shuttle]

I have the hidden one already.. Aww okay..

[dapper halo]

magatower?

did i read correctly

oh mage

makes more sense

[glad tusk]

how fucked are we with the bugs for m plus? actually worth swapping to sub? XD

[buoyant ember]

!wa

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[main bridge]

jokes on you - sub has bugs too

all rogue specs do

probably all specs in general

[glad tusk]

but are all bugs as bad like this one?

[main bridge]

i dunno bugs are hard to quantify

Whispyr's video on the bugs says they're worth about 10% damage but no mention of how he gets this number

[spice surge]

In terms of dps impact subs are worse

[main bridge]

since sims don't implement all of the bugs

[spice surge]

But most of them are also from expac release

[glad tusk]

hmm i see

if the sub bugs are still in, that probably means our bugs are not going away anytime soon? xd

[maiden sierra]

Sure we might lose 10% dps due to bugs, alas its not stopping me from doing 1mil dps more than the 2nd highest dps

[main bridge]

despite all of that sin is still doing respectable damage so it's not a huge deal

[dense cedar]

tbh

just switch every other dungeon like a psycho

i kinda been doing that

[gritty laurel]

the biggest impact for m+ is probably the funnel bug, but that shouldn't make it unplayable

[maiden sierra]

Funnel bug is a problem for high keys

So for none of us

[gritty laurel]

exactly

[rustic thunder]

just treat it as some kind of a handicap. you know how athletes train with ankle weights and so on? be an athlete

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-lee-weights-naruto-chunin-exams-flex-gif-26433140

Me when bug fix

[dense cedar]

"when"

you mean if

[round harbor]

Me at all times

[maiden sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/naruro-luta-rock-lee-gaara-gif-18978654

Me when nerfed

[scarlet orbit]

Just because im curious. Is it a few high impact bugs who or just the sheer number of bugs on sub?

[minor coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/sasuke-rinnegan-dodge-sasuke-rinnegan-sasuke-sharingan-sasuke-dodge-sasuke-rinnegan-dodge-jutsu-gif-13045760122009029854

rogue when shadow steps

[little night]

If I wanted to play iron wire in M+ do I take a point from lethal dose or Master assa?

[novel star]

drop 2nd shiv

[gritty laurel]

neither

[spice surge]

Both

[novel star]

dropping it sucks but it sucks less than all the other ones

iirc

[coral ibex]

probably sucks even more this season with tier

[novel star]

yea

[coral ibex]

i think iron wire is unplayable with 4p tbh

[novel star]

might be MA idk either way it’s huge and not worth it

iron wire era is over

[coral ibex]

become intimate with your focus kick and focus ks macros

(i flopped to a double bolt in gambit yesterday)

[dapper halo]

floodgate 7

that pala was crazy

[main bridge]

Wow must be hard to be a paladin

[maiden sierra]

You know what would go hard?
If they gave us the ability to throw a dagger that we can shadowstep to

[main bridge]

Like on the ground?

[maiden sierra]

Yes

Give it some extra thing like shadowstepping to it makes it do a katarina style twirl

[round harbor]

Damn that's almost as much DMG as a 680 fdk 👍

[pliant remnant]

Damn that's about as much DMG as a 590 fdk 👍🏿

[rotund oak]

Based mage puglord

[lapis fossil]

do we do anything diff in a lust window (bleed build/M+) it seems like we hit the pack/boss, they pop lust and I'm still siting there trying to get bleeds out before hitting CD"s,. Or is it just insignificant and Im annoyed at nothing.

[novel star]

bleed doesn’t really have cds

deathmark is just prio damage

ur annoyed at nothing

getting 5 ruptures + ct and hitting shiv should take no time at all

unless you didn’t get stealth/didn’t hold a vanish charge

[rotund oak]

lets say u dont get bleeds out and press DM str8 up

does nothing

ofc u place ur bleeds

its a bleed build

[deep mango]

how does fan of knives work with combo points? tool tip jsut says awards 1 cp, so i thought it'd award 1 cp per target hit, but it seems liek that's not the case

[novel star]

1 cp per crit

and 1 cp on hit guaranteed

[deep mango]

ahhh

[lapis fossil]

makes sense, tks... guess I was just thinking about it the wrong way

[novel star]

but you’re hitting multiple targets so you could hit 4 and crit all of them and get 5cp instantly

[rotund oak]

if u wanna blast go sub,sin is spreading the bleeds

diff theme,sub is alot harder though

[novel star]

ye, get it out of ur head that bleed has cool downs

it really doesn’t

[normal mist]

my shiv has a cooldown

🙁

[novel star]

okay but it also has 33% uptime just mashing it on cd it’s a fake cooldown

[rotund oak]

our love for u doesnt obey to gcd rules though

[naive python]

Quick one - Does FB ST have a different stat prio?

[normal mist]

crit

you want crit

very crit

much crit

[novel star]

yes, crit high value on fb

[normal mist]

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[normal mist]

No homie, you're the one deserving of love, you're the goat

🐐

[naive python]

Cool, why's that?

[novel star]

still just sim every item regardless but crit increases will pretty consistently sim well

[novel star]

DS has guaranteed crit envenoms that fb doesn’t and fb has deal fate to get extra value from crits which ds doesnt

[hasty harbor]

hey guys, could someone help me figure out what I’m doing wrong? I died in the last 10 seconds of the fight, but I think I would’ve ended up with the same DPS as the other rogue. I feel like I’m doing too little damage and should be hitting harder. I’m doing the same DPS even with the Deathstalker build. Mi pj is Niratek
https://es.warcraftlogs.com/reports/61bfBxFwVW4LANKJ?fight=last

[naive python]

Ah that makes a lot of sense. Appreciate the fast answer!

[novel star]

[normal mist]

Crit really hits the spot on FB

its lovely to mutilate - envenom - mutilate - envenom

[hexed canopy]

would you guys rather play netherprism or lily if its the same ilvl? my sims for the trinkets are the same

[runic basin]

ngl assa is fun but it feels so fucking stupid to do ST tank dmg in keys...shit spec

[spice spire]

Joaco log review

[normal mist]

you always have the other two specs

[normal mist]

if they sim the same its the same

[dense cedar]

Happy to see above it happened

people dunno waht Seal Fate is

[main bridge]

you could post logs and find out if you're doing something wrong - i would not say i am doing tank damage in any key

i wouldn't be so quick to blame the spec

[runic basin]

going withoput funnel in swampface legit i do nothing - 2.65 m

[unborn rain]

post logs

[main bridge]

can totally pull adds onto that boss too

[runic basin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/89811040?zone=45

[errant jacinth]

are you staying above 150 energy for SB

[runic basin]

in ST miostly not

[errant jacinth]

it helps in ST a lot

to stay above 150

[novel star]

idk about a lot

[runic hinge]

sanguine is like 1% if you play perfectly and bad if you dont, mix maxing it is almost not worth the brain power

[novel star]

but it’s better than pressing envenom i guess

[shy axle]

its no longer recommended afaik

[unborn rain]

i looked at one log and ur way above a tank

[shy axle]

and was the last point above env before

[novel star]

it’s still there

[dapper halo]

guess im bad then

[novel star]

nothing has changed

rly

envenom still sucks ass and sb still also sucks ass

key st is just bad

[unborn rain]

^^^

[novel star]

you need the envenom talents to do st and you can’t really take them in keys

[runic hinge]

yeah but people trying to play around sb will end up dropping a bleed or something and thats objectively worse than just slamming envenom

[unborn rain]

we're aoe bots

[halcyon saddle]

Question - With 4pc and a DN proc going into DM and Shiv what is the priority? Do I hold the shiv/DM until after consuming the DN proc or DM >DN then shiv?

[runic basin]

[unborn rain]

real

[novel star]

you just shiv normally and don’t care about the dn unless you have lingering

im pretty sure

[normal mist]

not really

you dont care about that

since you rarely are able to be above 150 anyway

[novel star]

dn consumption is always prio above everything (including deathmark) but shivving before or whatever doesn’t really matter without lingering up

[shy axle]

dn then env with 4p was the answer when i was asking earlier

[errant jacinth]

how are you rarely able to be above 150 if you are not just mindlessly spamming

makes 0 sense

[normal mist]

because you have to uptime CT and rupture and garrote

[novel star]

maintaining 100% uptime on ct is pretty expensive

[runic hinge]

because mantaining bleeds takes energy

[halcyon saddle]

Okay makes sense felt like I was potentially wasting DN uptime by eating the Shiv reduction

[errant jacinth]

yeah, but it's still manageable if you are not just spam sending envenoms

[shy axle]

i mean even when you did it in s2 it was a very minor gain, you could have just spamed env in st and the difference would be marginal

[unborn rain]

why wouldnt you be tho

[novel star]

and if you’re prioritizing sanguine blades above mutilate then sorry to tell you but you’re doing it wrong lol

[normal mist]

why would you not spamming envenoms

[unborn rain]

sanguine blades is bait

[runic hinge]

they need that less than 1% min/max

[novel star]

pressing mutilate is big good bc of blindside procs :D

[runic hinge]

that if they drop a single bleed is instantly worse

[errant jacinth]

SB is bugged and doing more than it should right now but if you want to cry about ST and then not try to optimize then you do you ig

[normal mist]

i mean

what

[novel star]

literally the only time it’s worth it to play for sanguine blades is when you have 5cp and no rupture or ct or darkest night to worry about

[runic hinge]

its 1% brother, im sure that 26k dps is the difference between good and bad ST

[main bridge]

I feel like you’re doing way worse damage by not using finishers and maintaining bleeds. This idea sounds a little bananas to me

[normal mist]

the bug on SB isnt even THAT big

besides

[novel star]

it doesn’t really matter because you’re an energy spec anyway. the total amount of things you can cast is static

[normal mist]

our bugs dont really matter to our ST in m+

Most of them are AoE related

[clever sparrow]

whats best raiding spec rn?

[normal mist]

the one you play better

[dense cedar]

FB for most fights except the ones the contant multi-target

[clever sparrow]

is sin better than sub? 😄

[normal mist]

Yesn't

[dense cedar]

on most of those fights ye

[unborn rain]

run fb on every fight and blame bugs for not targetting ads

[maiden sierra]

Warcraft logs, rankings, filter by rogue.

[novel star]

depends on the encounter but if you’re asking it probably doesn’t matter and you should just play the one you’re good at

[clever sparrow]

xd

[dense cedar]

sub is performing better on the "wall" fights tho

so good idea to play both

[runic hinge]

not me, im built different

[dense cedar]

if u enjoy

if not

just glhf

fuck araz

[novel star]

true my bad

[rocky zodiac]

Do you target switch to adds in dimensius p1 oder do you CS?

[maiden sierra]

Real

[clever sparrow]

wall fights?

[runic hinge]

the hard ones

[unborn rain]

yeah fractiliuw

[dense cedar]

fights that are v. hard

[unborn rain]

and uh loomithar

[clever sparrow]

ah

[dense cedar]

araz, nexus king, and dimensius

[barren yarrow]

Does cold blood only work with envenoms?

[novel star]

switch, no reason not to switch since you’re A) rupturing them anyway for energy and B) playing fatebound

[runic hinge]

yes with fatebound

[dense cedar]

at least i think sub is better of nexus

[barren yarrow]

ye

[dense cedar]

no a lot of people there to check

[novel star]

just let spatter hit the boss

[clever sparrow]

feels like i need to learn sub

[dense cedar]

u don't rly

[clever sparrow]

its fun but looks hard

😄

[dense cedar]

if ur aren't at araz by like next week

it won't matter

[unborn rain]

why? cuz nerfs?

[maiden sierra]

Ok let me end this convo by asking what difficulty are you playing on?

[clever sparrow]

were still clearing HC (6/8)

[dense cedar]

gear + renown

[novel star]

sub isn’t hard

[clever sparrow]

hc 6/8

[unborn rain]

oh true i forgor

[clever sparrow]

never played it tho (since wrath)

and pvp

[maiden sierra]

You dont need any othet spec buddy

Play what you want

[clever sparrow]

FB sin is the way? 😄

[unborn rain]

if ur planning on pushing mythic is sub worth learning

or fb sin train all the way

[maiden sierra]

^

[normal mist]

If you're playing Heroic raiding, you can play specless and with your monitor off and kill bosses

I'm an heroic raider before i'm called elitist

[clever sparrow]

😭

[novel star]

idk probably but it depends how you define worth

[unborn rain]

not holding my group back

cuz doesnt sin not work on certain stuff like pylons

[novel star]

if you’re not in a hof guild you can realistically play anything anywhere and just be good at the game and you won’t hold people back

[unborn rain]

based okay

[dense cedar]

by the time ur there it probs won't matter

[novel star]

but if you want to be optimal then sure learn sub for bad sin fights ig

it just doesn’t really matter

[dense cedar]

also sin has the upside of doing 5 billion damage in the execute phase of araz

[normal mist]

My best Araz HC fights were playing fatebound

[dense cedar]

only upside

[normal mist]

and blasting that ST on the boss

[maiden sierra]

Meh, top 500 guilds is also the norm to multispec

[novel star]

it’s the norm but it’s not necessary lol

[dense cedar]

WELL

i say that but

[clever sparrow]

FB on araz? 😄

[normal mist]

Yes

[dense cedar]

singular focus nerf

actually fucks sin even harder on araz

[clever sparrow]

who killed the mobs then 😄

[normal mist]

And i said " MY best Araz hc fights were played as FB"

[dense cedar]

no longer getting that influx of funnel during the execute

[normal mist]

the other fuckers

[unborn rain]

lolll

[clever sparrow]

i will try it this week then

[maiden sierra]

Tell that to my raid lead

[novel star]

tell ‘em yourself!!

or just play sub sometimes idk both specs are braindead easy

[normal mist]

The moment i tried to switch DS too see if the fight would go a bit better overall, this happened:

Araz 🤡

[humble verge]

i wonder what my loomithar logs will be

[clever sparrow]

lol

[normal mist]

i was so mad