assassination

[dense cedar]

https://youtu.be/HZXEXxFABJM?si=ZH6A3BT1KwtdIlrN&t=9790

[spice surge]

You never think about the 150 energy

[pliant remnant]

pure single target

keep over 150 energy

Or do we mean in keys

Either way, no shot

[astral gorge]

in keys

[severe meadow]

Yeah ain’t no way

[keen spruce]

you don't htink about it

150 energy isn't real

it can't hurt u

[dense cedar]

super minor gain that messing it up is a much larger loss

[severe meadow]

(It does hurt you)

[dense cedar]

just don't think about it

in aoe its non factor

in st its non-factor

SB just makes your aoe stronger

[thorn thorn]

Energy can and will hurt you

You ever tried to touch a frayed wire

[silk sundial]

On hardmode tazavesh, can you shadowstep in the mail room while rooted?

[keen spruce]

yeah but a frayed wire isn't 150 energy

[thorn thorn]

Real

[keen spruce]

*standard outlets are 120v

[real pike]

it's definitely 100% more damage to hold KB for cold blood when 4pc bugs right

[dense cedar]

yes

[real pike]

ty

[dense cedar]

edge case coins strong

[maiden sierra]

trying to do the tangles on mythic moth is making me want to bash my head

[static glacier]

bro all i have to go off

is this 1 kr log

but clearly they keep boss on adds

and not the echo fml

[weary spear]

Last I asked Whispyr he said staying above 150 in ST doesn’t matter anymore

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-get-his-ass-katharine-conti-katcontii-get-him-go-after-him-gif-18732874

[humble verge]

me gearing up for loomithar knowing we didnt kill it tonight spending 2h+ wiping on him

[dense cedar]

that means like the same thing

[shadow zealot]

hey all new to assasination, just played fatebound in lfr and felt super energy starved, is that normal?

[dense cedar]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[real pike]

your first 2 finishing moves after DM have to be envenom right? refreshing rupture fucks the edge case?

[dense cedar]

DM > KB then envenoms yes

cold blood is want causes the envenoms to edge case

rupture don't count

[analog field]

after CB i think

[real pike]

ye I did DM > KB > envenom > rup > envenom as finishers

and it fucked it

[dense cedar]

so will break it yes

[real pike]

kewl

[dense cedar]

just get the envenom out then rupture

[real pike]

ye ty

feel like shit just want deathstalker back

[dense cedar]

[analog field]

lol

unpopular opinion

[glad shuttle]

i want bugfree specs 😄

[thorn thorn]

We only take requests that are possible here

[glad shuttle]

ok im sorry 🙁

[haughty flicker]

i want my dragon to be blue

[thorn thorn]

What kind of blue

[wind terrace]

IDK if anyone else had this, but my dungeon slice in bleed build had me using Pacemaker + Cursed Stone Idol, but then dropping a ton of crit from gear. I finally got Signet and it adjusted to me using Sacbrood and put crit on gear/gems instead and its much smoother. I'm assuming something with the sim thinks its fine but in reality its a pain in the ass to get CPs on FoK without the passive crit. Just a head's up if anyone is struggling with that specific issue LOL

[frigid lagoon]

why does the whispyr wa have 2 bars for envenom?

[haughty flicker]

because twist the knife can have two applications of the debuff up

its like ironfur

[frigid lagoon]

are you meant to try and keep 2 up?

[haughty flicker]

you dont play around envenom uptime currently it kinda just happens

most you do is be sure to envenom before you press kingsbane

[frigid lagoon]

ic thanks bel

anyone wanna look at my loom log and tell me what im doing terribly: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XM3c6A4dQYVtTbJh?fight=45&type=damage-done

[weary spear]

Haste is good for bleed build, it doesn’t matter what feels good or bad

If that’s what u meant

[wind terrace]

Oh totally, I just trust sims. It had me just saccing all my crit tho, I think I had like 4k passive crit. then forced those trinkets off and it put me to around 9k crit and i can actually funnel in aoe now

[haughty flicker]

your second shiv might be a little late, you should shiv as the first one falls off

[real pike]

is it

[wind terrace]

the difference was like 2-3 Fok per envenom, to 1 fok per envenom

[real pike]

I find fatebound boring and uninteractive

[frigid lagoon]

wait you dont shiv the last 7 secs?

[real pike]

thought quite a few people did

[haughty flicker]

with fb you're shivving to cover all of deathmark, not to cover the back half of kingsbane

[frigid lagoon]

😩

ohh

[thorn thorn]

Because Fatebound is boring and uninteractive

[frigid lagoon]

ok

[thorn thorn]

Its just that deathstalker feels similarily shit

[real pike]

at least you have a little minigame

[haughty flicker]

ok well reapplying poisons mid fight also probably didnt help

[thorn thorn]

Oops mark is gone guess I dont have a hero talent now

[real pike]

but ye losing mark is rough

[analog field]

i find the DS minigame shit

[weary spear]

Hmm 4k crit and 9k crit shouldn’t make that much of a difference

[sterile fractal]

need some suggestion to improve my rotaition on soulhunter boss
any can help ?:

[analog field]

Yeah fb is uninteractive but why should i have to choose between refreshing a non pandemic rupture or going for DN or some shit

[untold crown]

Anyone can give me Feedback on my Logs why am I grey logging. I am so confused. Need help badly

[wind terrace]

you just dont get CPs wih low crit idk it is funamentally feeling different lol

this is specifically m+ bleed build btw

[weary spear]

What’s the % difference between 4K and 9k tho like 5%? Or is it more

[analog field]

yeah i dont think it is even 5

[wind terrace]

its larger its like 10%-25 ish i think

[weary spear]

No

[wind terrace]

isnt it?

[analog field]

i have 32% and it is 25%

[winged sun]

@balmy condor great video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy3vDx7jKD0

hopefully we get some fucking fixes holy shit

[analog field]

22% is 10%

[modern idol]

Idek what to do I’m almost 3kio & I just feel dps gimped in keys

[weary spear]

The difference between 4k crit and 9k is what I was talking about

[modern idol]

Like part of me doesn’t even want to play assass anymore

[winged sun]

great video that explains all the bugged things on sin

i recommend u guys to watch

[frigid lagoon]

is shiv meant to glow in whispyrs wa to cover all of deathmark?

[thorn thorn]

Its a very good video

[analog field]

ah yeah ok 24 is like 8.5

[thorn thorn]

Although slightly irritating to watch realizing that this much is broken

[winged sun]

i mean

sin is like

doing less than sub atm

its crazy

its legit no longer meta

kinda hurts

[minor gate]

i mean i just chewed out a sub on logs sooooo....

[winged sun]

and my logs from day 1

[dense cedar]

4p bug is jsut so sad

[winged sun]

are still better than most ppl

from today

and i BARELY have keys logged

[dense cedar]

cool effect just given such shit functionality

[winged sun]

legit 1 run only

per dung

or someshit

not counting my best runs

mean no wonder sin is just falling downhill in logs atm

its kinda cringe to have this many broken talents

[balmy condor]

I did basically same boss damage week 1 and 2 on soulbinder cause caustic + singular

[winged sun]

[balmy condor]

Bugs are cringe as hell no cappy

[winged sun]

no cappy no cappy

[spice surge]

Imagine having talents work like they say they do

Couldnt be rogue

[dense cedar]

With first boss phase timings, should I just play sub till 4p?

norm heroic alreayd felt mad terrible as sin with 1m/2m cds

[simple relic]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[dense cedar]

dunno how viable sending kb on the add is

[frigid lagoon]

anyone had it when kb comes off cd before cb?

[winged sun]

what add

u never send kb on the adds

[haughty flicker]

The two adds on plexus blow up instantly

Do not kb them lol

[dense cedar]

ye so

probably don't wanna really play sin there then

will just feel mad rubbish

as it does in hc/norm

[weary spear]

Sin is fine on plexus isn’t it

Or what’s bad about it

[dense cedar]

1m kb comes up as he makes you leave him

[weary spear]

Perf just send it on shield 10s later

Worse to not have any cd for shield

[warm vortex]

God im rusty on the rogueee

[dense cedar]

ye its why i think might be more fun as sub

till i get 4p

[weary spear]

Feels like compliment fishing lol

[dense cedar]

i was just wondering about the adds if they had anything going for them

[warm vortex]

Meh

[dense cedar]

which they don't so

[marsh fjord]

let me show you something

[dense cedar]

got my idea

[warm vortex]

I used to get better ones

X)

and idk i feel like i should be doing better considering my gear

[marsh fjord]

Geuss which one is bugged

and which is not

[weary spear]

That’s fkin wild

[warm vortex]

is the third one bugged

[worldly dock]

Guys how do you deal with ARaz adds?

dot them or?

[balmy condor]

Yeah okay buddy I mean bugs are bugs but that’s fucking 25%

[marsh fjord]

buddy i swear funnel was so bad on the second one

[winged sun]

[marsh fjord]

and i havent played different

[worthy crag]

so what is the solution rn? play sub or what?

[warm vortex]

I mean, blizzard will fix the bus very soon
..
right?

[winged sun]

in M+ if u want ye

i recommend sub but if u like sin u can sin

[warm vortex]

Imma go up to john actavision and show him whispy's vdieo

[thorn thorn]

Wut did i miss

[dense cedar]

they just lying about fixing bugs

so who knows

[warm vortex]

What if i get a job at blizzard and fix the bugs myself

I know how to make a computer say "hi"

[worthy crag]

but as sub rogue can i do +10 ? i think that spec is only viable on higher keys?

[warm vortex]

Also im a spaghetti connosour, so the code should be good

No?

[marsh fjord]

bro you can do 16's as sub rogue if you want

[warm vortex]

Sub is viable in general im p sure

[winged sun]

bro u can do a +10 while ur afk

at the start

just play whatever u like man

[dense cedar]

u make pack stop exist instantly

[night vessel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[winged sun]

but like

sub rogue

is very good atm

[warm vortex]

Yea, makes your dps look better aswell

Because nothing else will exist anymore

[winged sun]

sub way better than sin

in m+ atm

[dense cedar]

ur overall will be good

[winged sun]

cuz of the ST

[warm vortex]

Btw zerross random question

[winged sun]

sin bugs are just way too much i think

[dense cedar]

and those packs you everything for

[warm vortex]

Hardest key this season

[dense cedar]

will make details look bugged

[sullen hedge]

do we bother multi dotting in our raid cleave/aoe build?

or just try to get use out of cuastic

[winged sun]

can u take a pic of the dungeon pool

[warm vortex]

K hold on

[winged sun]

it was streets i think but now it got nerfed alot

[royal lantern]

rupture sniping is always good, but you dont try to dot up everything cus its not a dmg gain over just cleaving with spatter

[winged sun]

so maybe priory not sure lemme see what the other dungeons are

[gusty lichen]

Anyone have any idea why when I set Whispyr's class WA to load only when I am playing Sin, whenever I go from Sub to Sin the WA gets messed up and includes pistol shot for some reason?

[warm vortex]

I was gonna try and take a picture of the pool in crucable of the storms for funny

But i cba

[dense cedar]

sin gameplay bitm ore fun than sub in keys

[deft shore]

There’s just no way sub survives the first tuning pass, right?

[dense cedar]

but losing that damage is so sad

[warm vortex]

Taz wings
priory
dawn
ara kara
floodgate
ecodome

and halls

[winged sun]

ye definitely priory

[weary spear]

Halls is ass

[winged sun]

but people are better at priory atm

[royal lantern]

i mean, sub is mostly "abusing" the raid design

[winged sun]

so idk whats realistically the hardest

[royal lantern]

(again, for the 30th time)

[winged sun]

prob still priory

even after the practice from all the players

not sure

[royal lantern]

but its blizzs fault for giving every boss a medium duration dmg amp lol

[warm vortex]

Idk what branupyke's problem is btw

[winged sun]

still early in the season

[spice surge]

Why would it get nerfed

[winged sun]

i didnt play much

[warm vortex]

but he keeps wnating me to buy his holy hammer

[spice surge]

They literally stacked dragons, elementals and mages

[winged sun]

i dont think sub is op

its just balancedly decent

[royal lantern]

sub was #1 on dimmi

[warm vortex]

Tbh

[hazy horizon]

noob question but how do u change the flask in the sim ?

[weary spear]

LOL

[warm vortex]

warriors need a nerf

[dense cedar]

arakara hardest dungeon cos im stoopid

[warm vortex]

because bliz loves to

[royal lantern]

(ignore that it was far from that for most of the fight)

[spice surge]

In p3 ye

[royal lantern]

[warm vortex]

I've already been there like

20 times

[royal lantern]

dont have to tell me that eleem, i know it

[dense cedar]

i like that in a 12 the aoe from the final boss doesn't even kill you

[deft shore]

We can agree about why it shouldn’t, but us huffing copium ain’t gonna save it from the inevitable pass - it’s jack of all trades right now. Rogue doesn’t survive those periods normally

[haughty flicker]

Most people's interaction with the race is literally the last boss

[dense cedar]

sou can just cloak off the debuff

[warm vortex]

Bro

[haughty flicker]

So they see sub pump and decide it must be nerfed

[warm vortex]

have you played rogue before

[winged sun]

nerfing rogue would be outrageous atm

[deft shore]

Since 05

[winged sun]

none of the specs deserve a single nerf

[spice surge]

They almost always base their tuning on data like this

[warm vortex]

Rogue has been good for multiple patches at this point

[spice surge]

(obv its their internal data they mostly base on, but its similar to the wcl statistics)

[weary spear]

Jack of all trades = balanced ? Because it’s master of none lmao

You just called it a balanced spec

[haughty flicker]

Being good on 3 bosses and mediocre on the rest isn't nerf material

[waxen oyster]

People act surprised when a burst spec does well

on a damage amp

[royal lantern]

@spice surge you know, it is funny just how it goes every single tier lol

week1 everyone was crying how assa is broken OP everywhere and will be played everywhere no exceptions

then its week2 and sub was played on the last few bosses and IMMEDIATLY its "sub is too great everywhere and needs nerfs", and suddenly assa is called bad lol

can we be normal for once about it

[warm vortex]

Tbh i just want blizzard to make survival a good raid spec again

Please make us able to use flanking and butchery at ocne

[waxen oyster]

rh always have the one off smoothbrains

[dense cedar]

lets be serious rn

[echo heath]

gross

[deft shore]

What I’m saying is reality doesn’t matter in these circumstances. Court of public opinion gets stuff nerfed

[waxen oyster]

who come in sometimes

[warm vortex]

We have brains?!

[waxen oyster]

this guy is just one of them

[weary spear]

Show me the public opinion about sub being op

[dense cedar]

outlaw should get 100 buffs for no reason

[haughty flicker]

Survival seems to be doing pretty decent atm idk

It's just not ranged so gg

[dense cedar]

survival so cool

[waxen oyster]

i cant read idk

[echo heath]

Sub is really good....when played by the best players in the world

[deft shore]

Nah I don’t engage with weird ass discord dogpiles

[sullen hedge]

sorry what do you mean y rupture sniping? appreciate it

[warm vortex]

Yea, but the problem with survival in raid is that you have to chose between btuchery and flanking
Flanking is absolutly insane in ST and butchery is nuts in aoe
But you have to chose, so SV is religated to ST from what i've seen atm

But yknow, MM high roll completly tramples over the other 2 hunter specs

[waxen oyster]

Yeah you engage in twitch chats

or reddit

[royal lantern]

if sub gets bigtime nerfed because it was strong on 2 fights that literally play into its strenghts and purpose when at the same time you had insane evoker and shaman stacking

[deft shore]

I forgot - or anime avatars lol

[royal lantern]

i will laugh and cry

[deft shore]

Surely they’ve never done that before have they?

[waxen oyster]

you have your bald head as yours

not a strong case

[dense cedar]

sub rogue huge damage but its still a rogue so no one will play it or want to bring more than like a max of 2

[spice surge]

I dont think they have really

[echo heath]

It also requires a tiny bit of thought to play

[dense cedar]

like no matter how strong a rouge spec is

[deft shore]

We’ll see soon enough

[dense cedar]

its not gonan repalce bring the strong dps than also have other things going on

[waxen oyster]

The redditor is pretending to be smart

[royal lantern]

like, its just such a weird call lol

how can you say sub is this giga OP spec that needs emergency nerf when there was literally a single rogue but like 4 evokers and 3 shamans lol

[royal lantern]

rogue IS strong rn

[spice surge]

Sub needs to be nerfed fr fr

[warm vortex]

Sometimes... I dream of cheese

[royal lantern]

and probably all 3 specs get some smaller notches downards

[spice surge]

Need to be even lower

[royal lantern]

but they are worlds away from problematic lol

[dense cedar]

fractilus good example of a real wall for normal guilds

[thorn thorn]

Aug is finally in the middle of the pack on one of these charts

[dense cedar]

that don't have their dps and healers near bis

[waxen oyster]

also you paid for a discord decoration

[thorn thorn]

My casual guild somehow spent more time on fractilus than nexus king

[deft shore]

We get it you’re mad I made fun of your avatar lmao

[echo heath]

99th percentile, sub still not top

[thorn thorn]

Discord decorations are cool

[waxen oyster]

Not really you’re just giving room temperature iq takes

[dense cedar]

this PROVES outlaw should get a 40% aura nerf

[waxen oyster]

actual twitch chat viewer opinions

[echo heath]

lol

[thorn thorn]

Nah, nerf balance

[waxen oyster]

Yeah but imagine sitting in a twitch chat unironically

[thorn thorn]

[halcyon saddle]

Which are the two sub fights? Nexus King and Dimensius?

[warm vortex]

Actually true

Zul

That's the sub fight

[halcyon saddle]

Lol besides zul

[thorn thorn]

Twitch chat for what

[deft shore]

“Twitch Chat” “redditor” “bald” “room temp iq” haha awesome

[thorn thorn]

Like a streamer?

[echo heath]

blizzard has been known to do some outrageous shit in tuning, remember warlocks before legion were told to simply not play demonology

[waxen oyster]

dimensius is not going to be like that regardless for 99% of the playerbase

[thorn thorn]

Also Aug in S2 being nerfed into doing tank damage

[warm vortex]

I mean
What spec is going to get nerfed if any, elemental?

[waxen oyster]

Who cares about warlock

[thorn thorn]

2 recent events of specs intentionally getting shit tuning

[thorn thorn]

Probably ele

[waxen oyster]

Demo was still good

[thorn thorn]

Ele and Pres

[warm vortex]

I want them to change the MM tier set so it's fun to play

[thorn thorn]

And probably mm

[warm vortex]

Meh

[echo heath]

i mean how many tuning passes does blizz even have left in them this expansion, one maybe? there's a higher chance they just leave shit as is and maybe fix a few bugs

[waxen oyster]

they’re not gonna nerf mage

[warm vortex]

MM just has giga highroll

[waxen oyster]

blizz’s golden child

alo the average mage player sucks

[warm vortex]

That's the only reason it's coming up as super high damage on logs

[thorn thorn]

A morbillion procs

[waxen oyster]

serious question

has dev ever been bad

or just not played when aug is overtuned

[thorn thorn]

Yes

Amirdrassil

[royal lantern]

yes

[thorn thorn]

Thats the one season they were very shit

[waxen oyster]

That was also an aug season

[thorn thorn]

Ignoring aug it was still a very shit season for them

[dense cedar]

talking about the history of evoker balance feels silly

[thorn thorn]

It was the one season they werent middle of the pack

So far

[dense cedar]

it came out like last week

[buoyant herald]

Kinda wild that ele just got handed a 20% buff out of no where then proceeded to top the charts for the whole race

[warm vortex]

Dragons can't balance, have you ever seen one walk the tightrope?

[buoyant herald]

Probably first in line for nerf yeah

[thorn thorn]

Dev also just had an omega shit set bonus that season too

[waxen oyster]

I mean they let enhance be a meme

for an entire season

[thorn thorn]

omega shit to play

[buoyant herald]

Bro I’ll tell you. Our enhance is having a REAL bad time pivoting to ele lol

[thorn thorn]

[waxen oyster]

but idk if aug is ever good it usually doesnt promote dev being played

[humble verge]

@thorn thorn we didnt kill loomithar today

[warm vortex]

26.86976
-102.18039

[thorn thorn]

This season

[thorn thorn]

Aug is good enough to be played in the race but dev was still played

It depends on the boss

[waxen oyster]

so nerf aug

[thorn thorn]

Aug will benefit from bosses with damage amps that meet certain windows than dev will

[humble verge]

is that supposed to be my latitude and longitude

vend

[thorn thorn]

But Dev is also just a much more consistent pick in general

[warm vortex]

No it's just some numbers i had written dow

[thorn thorn]

Its way easier to play

[warm vortex]

I forgot what they are for

[thorn thorn]

And its not grafted onto your team for performance

[waxen oyster]

no evoker spec

is hard though

[thorn thorn]

So even if it does a few % less it will still be worth over aug unless you are really trying to wring the dps

[warm vortex]

Tbh

[waxen oyster]

its just not frost dk

[warm vortex]

i want them to nerf ret

[waxen oyster]

or ret pally level of drooler

[warm vortex]

for the sole reason to say fuck you to the discord

XD

do it for the funny, not for the balance

[waxen oyster]

Just misdirect the ret

in every key

[errant heath]

Should Sanguine blade be doing this much? I swear i spend most of my time spreading rutures and its so low on the dmg

[thorn thorn]

Dev very easy, pres easyish in raid, aug easy in M+, pres hard in M+, aug hard in raid to play properly

[warm vortex]

Yep

[thorn thorn]

Playing aug the "easy" way in raid is just less than dev

[warm vortex]

Sanguine blades is a big boy

[warm vortex]

No?

I misdirect the enemies

[waxen oyster]

Gonna be honest aug has the dumbest playerbase

[warm vortex]

if they generate threat then the enemies attack them

[waxen oyster]

even more than bm

[winged sun]

ret paladins surpassed them this tier

[dense cedar]

Aug had a playerbase?

[thorn thorn]

Yeh

Ret is just insufferable

[warm vortex]

Yea, i agree with zer here

[thorn thorn]

Aug players are just dumb

[warm vortex]

Rets are awful

[dense cedar]

Idk if I've actually played with an Aug at all

[waxen oyster]

Ret is the same as always

a bunch of boomer manchildren

with a hero complex

[brave comet]

so youre saying assassination rogue needs buffs?

[thorn thorn]

I have seen more survival hunters than augs

[royal lantern]

pres?

[thorn thorn]

Last season a few people told me I was the first aug they had seen of the season

Spec isnt hard in keys

[royal lantern]

wait

you are a fucking aug

get blocked nerd

[thorn thorn]

This isnt news

Its been mentioned numerous times

[waxen oyster]

This also applies to fdks

[warm vortex]

Tbh it applies to like

[waxen oyster]

Also guys

[dense cedar]

There are only 3 respectable alt specs

[warm vortex]

95% specs at this point

[waxen oyster]

hardest challenge in wow

Go a raid tier

[warm vortex]

Owo

[dense cedar]

WW, Feral and Survival

[waxen oyster]

without a boomkin early pulling

[dense cedar]

Because those are the ones I like :)

[sullen hedge]

do you keep crimston tempest up on the councl fight?

[warm vortex]

Yes

Why wouldn’t you

[sonic schooner]

@robust jasper

see

what i told you

[sullen hedge]

i dont know how many targets you keep ct up at

[warm vortex]

1

[thorn thorn]

I cant believe you would do this

[warm vortex]

If it’s bleed

[sullen hedge]

oh gotcha

[warm vortex]

Wait I need to do this too

Now that I know your an Aug

[robust jasper]

I FEEL SO BETRAYED

[sonic schooner]

yep

[winged sun]

assa bugs ruined the entire M+ hype for me this week

[sonic schooner]

blocked

[winged sun]

surely they fix soon

[thorn thorn]

Capital betrayal

[sonic schooner]

i wont talk to zac anytime zoon

he betrayal

[warm vortex]

My genuine reaction after watching whispyrs video

[thorn thorn]

Who are you again

[torn dome]

!crafting

[robust jasper]

How do you deal with deathstalker on the 2nd boss of eco dome? All my assa homies complain about that

[sullen hedge]

its the council/aoe build with kingsbane

[torn dome]

what's the command xD

[winged sun]

i never lose mark

well

[warm vortex]

Rodent (now with more kingsbane)

[winged sun]

because i know when it phases

[waxen oyster]

Play sub

[winged sun]

u can see its energy

os

so

ye

wemo

[robust jasper]

Yeah but you'd have to anticipate it pretty far ahead of time right

[winged sun]

the way i play it is that we always have adds right?

we pull funnel

[robust jasper]

Takes a while to pull off mark ye?

[winged sun]

so u can rupture those

refresh bleeds

[warm vortex]

Oh I just played bleed for that
If your running CT try and keep it on all 3

[robust jasper]

Aaaah

[winged sun]

and time ur mark

to be darkest night before it despawns

[dense cedar]

They should give us echoing blades again

[winged sun]

thats how i do it

sometimes i lose mark intentionally to re apply it with vanish

because i dont want big dmg on adds for no reason

[robust jasper]

So you just have to outsmart it

[waxen oyster]

Sub is fun on the first boss

the adds spawn on sectec casts

[robust jasper]

Sounds annoying tbh

[winged sun]

ye i mean its not annoying no

its very easy to deal with

i never failed it so far since day 1 of season

[worldly dock]

Guys how do you deal with adds from ARAZ?
i cant get over 2.5m dps after wipe like 30%

[winged sun]

always 0 dps lost too

u just need to be aware that it disappears at 100 energy

and u work around that

[warm vortex]

What spec do you guys think makes the best steak

I’m thinking either fire or survival

They could both cook up a mean meal

[waxen oyster]

What you hit boss

[winged sun]

like if u mean its annoying that it disappears it is yes

but

its not annoying to deal with

very annoying that mark just ruins ur dps tho

[worldly dock]

boss and i dot adds with a rupture

[waxen oyster]

huh

i just spatter adds

We leave adds on the echo so i just move my mark to it

[thorn thorn]

Outlaw

[worldly dock]

yeah..

[thorn thorn]

Cuz they stole it

[waxen oyster]

and spatter

[worldly dock]

so no need to bother dot adds

?

[waxen oyster]

which ones

[warm vortex]

Idk, pirates don’t sound like the nicest of cooks

[worldly dock]

well those small ones

[royal lantern]

bro outlaw mfs dont eat steak, they want tendies like all the other 7year olds

[waxen oyster]

araz is such a free sin fight

[worldly dock]

orbs

[warm vortex]

I’d trust them with seafood,

[waxen oyster]

besides mark disappearing

[half tartan]

If a tank chaim pulls in M+ can shadowmend reliably get you out of combat to get restealths?

[royal lantern]

no

[dense cedar]

No

[royal lantern]

chainpulls are good for you

[warm vortex]

You have 2 vanishes

[kind helm]

my step dad made steaks last night but didnt make me one because he said I need to get a job :C

[thorn thorn]

Both of you are very correct

[warm vortex]

Maybe he didn’t proc or smth idk

[dense cedar]

Why even hate chainpulls

[balmy condor]

Not the j word

[worldly dock]

so how much dps u think a 695 assa would do there

with Deathstalker

[warm vortex]

Jigglypuff

[warm vortex]

Bro what

That’s like

You can’t estimate that,

[dense cedar]

Being bad at rogue should be my job

[median socket]

!crest

[dense cedar]

10000000 dollars an hour

[warm vortex]

!vibes

[dense cedar]

What r u looking for

[warm vortex]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[jade saddle]

1 trillion dps

[warm vortex]

This?

[median socket]

Thanks!

[dense cedar]

!down

[median socket]

Yes

[warm vortex]

Nw

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-huh-cat-what-sus-suspicious-gif-9855894845569274120

[thorn thorn]

A morbillion

[waxen oyster]

idk

[dense cedar]

!besttalentsandspecandrotationandanduhhhhhembelishmentsOHandmissive

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" overall, but Blessed Weapon Grip + Dawnthread can be VERY VERY slightly better in m+

Always craft a dagger for at least an offhand. Put Ascencion or Blessed Weapon Grip on it. Additional Crafts should be Wrist (maybe Belt later in the patch after dropping the delve belt) for your second embellishment, after that whatever low item level slot is fine, necks can be good crafts.
If you have a myth track weapon in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[warm vortex]

Holy shit it worked

Look

[dense cedar]

!warcraft

[thorn thorn]

!fotm

[prisma monolith]

FOTM Info

• Fatebound is not playable in any AoE situation, and ESPECIALLY not in Mythic+. Don't bother.

• Tuning is nowhere near done and realistically won't be until mid-September; unless you enjoy playing rogue there is no point in you rerolling at this time, we don't bring anything impactful (e.g big aoe stops/party buff) to the group

• PTR sheets and PTR sims are borderline misinformation with how rapidly things are changing and most sims are not currently updated at this time. Again, this will fix itself as we get deeper into the patch and things solidify, but judging a reroll off of PTR tier lists and random sims or seeing one guy pump super hard on a stream is not indicative of anything.

[thorn thorn]

oh good that still exists

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/dread-lord-burning-legion-demon-warcraft-undead-gif-6097536262555164155

[waxen oyster]

lmao fatebound in m+

what a meme

[dense cedar]

Tuning not done till mid September

Truer than he even knew

[warm vortex]

!darkmoon

Awe shucks

[dense cedar]

!renown

!raid

!dagger

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965458290358235147/1381396293741449371/2025-06-0822-38-39-Xephyris-TheaterofPain191-Clippedat2025-06-0900-09-58-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

Nerf Dev

[dense cedar]

!tertiary

[waxen oyster]

tbh

i did half my vault keys as sin

half as sub

both fine

[warm vortex]

!unity

!scars

[light mountain]

dude does anyone have a sure way to remedy this 4piece bug im losing my god damn mined

[warm vortex]

No

[mint urchin]

Yes, take it off, bug goes away

[warm vortex]

I’m p sure if you ask blizzard you get chatgp

I mean a GM

[light mountain]

goddamn machine

[haughty flicker]

Fucking clankers

[waxen oyster]

anytime someone says fatebound is good design

[warm vortex]

Bel your literally an alien

Glorper

[worldly dock]

at 691 ilvl? wtf i must do something wrong then

[waxen oyster]

https://www.twitch.tv/imexile/clip/CourageousBlushingClintmullinsTriHard-MV4OCo4OeCirf5Yd

[waxen oyster]

Idk end of boss lets you skyrocket

[dense cedar]

2pc fixes FB and 4pc breaks it in an entirely new way

[warm vortex]

I stop playing rogue for one tier, come back, adn insta remember why i like hunter more

[midnight mist]

@balmy condor how much are the nerfs since this reset (after spatter bug fix) i feel like ross is spreading missinfo again no cap

[dense cedar]

2/3 Hunter specs r boring poopoo

[mint urchin]

no expectations and free range/movement?

[warm vortex]

Whos ross again

[dense cedar]

[spice surge]

Slightly less than 10%

[warm vortex]

Tbh, i was gonna say less bugs

But like

BM isn't that good about bugs atm

at least you can counter them with bm by like

[midnight mist]

and what does it nerf specifically

[waxen oyster]

bm has a pet ai

[warm vortex]

adding "cancel shell cover" to every button

[midnight mist]

like the bugs i mean

[warm vortex]

As does SV

[fickle herald]

BM has awful pet ai bugs in new raid no?

[warm vortex]

Yep

But you can technically counter them

[spice surge]

Caustic does 20% less (thats like 4% on overall) and caustic no longer works with singular (which is most of singulars damage, so like 6% more)

[warm vortex]

by carrying around portable stables

and putting your pets inside them then taking them back out

[midnight mist]

ok ty

[waxen oyster]

sounds like a sub m+ season

[warm vortex]

while not in combat, you can use one of the remote control toys to dismiss them

[waxen oyster]

just refuse to join groups with no shaman

[warm vortex]

compare this to Assa that can't do anything about the bugs that make it lose damage

[waxen oyster]

im 100% a sub advocate in streets though

[warm vortex]

Or you could just play marksman and pray you hit giga proc

[waxen oyster]

that place as sin is cheeks

[round harbor]

havent had the bm pet bug ina week

[warm vortex]

I wonder what their cheeks look like

tbh

[round harbor]

ur info is outdated

[hearty seal]

watched the new Whisp vid
THAT's why I'm losing to a fucking DH on soulbinder, smh, I'm like 5% behind

[warm vortex]

Huh, swear i had it the other day

Might just be hunter brainrot

[waxen oyster]

I mean isnt dh tierset funnel

better

[round harbor]

only "bug" is pets get killed on dimiensius

[warm vortex]

Yea

or dawnbreaker in general

[cosmic robin]

is the antenna simmed correctly? game still wants me to go crit, but i feel like overcapping really high with proccs.

[warm vortex]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[waxen oyster]

Their aoe hit from hitting sweep 2nd in the combo is double hits

[hearty seal]

and I have no 4p, yes, but if everything worked correctly, I'd just gapped them anyway

[waxen oyster]

from 6-12

[hearty seal]

I'm behind them like 300k

[cosmic robin]

So even with -20%, we stack the crit

[hearty seal]

so not having bugs fuck me over would already give me more than enough to be top-1

[warm vortex]

Just listen to the robot

Crit good

stats good

item level good

agility gooed

[dense cedar]

If you were really getting super lucky crits, you'd actually never be overcapping combo points

[waxen oyster]

If you have too much crit on gear

[spice surge]

Mostly yes

[waxen oyster]

you just get other stats

elsewhere

[warm vortex]

Anyway imma go to sleep

Praying that we get patch notes soon

I jsut want bugfixes and tuning

[spice surge]

In practice you can end up missing some of the orbs, but sim is also not kiting orbs to line it up better with cds n stuff

[hearty seal]

unironically no tuning needed I think
just a proper bug fix
okay we could also use Fatal Intent tuning, but whatever, it's been shit for the entire expac already

[dense cedar]

Antenna is good even assuming you pretend it has no gimmick

[warm vortex]

I moreso meant in general

[waxen oyster]

Its like what 6k crit

per orb picked up

[warm vortex]

I want to equip the 4set on my hunter

not 2 + 2

[waxen oyster]

im gonna have 4p on war

on reset

just waiting to see what its vault is

[warm vortex]

Also yea, would be funny if bliz makes fatal intent giga busted for no reason and then nerfs it again to where it's ok

the ol' merciless blows effect

[hearty seal]

unironically just hoping for a myth set head/shoulders from vault
would be the best outcome

[blissful pumice]

Is the unyielding Netherprism a sim trap? I think its just sims bad but is rly good right?

[glass ice]

my champ track sims better than lily on raid, i still use lily cuz its more consistent output

[balmy condor]

20% is not that much honestly I have like almost 40%

[pliant remnant]

I mean it sims good though or

[balmy condor]

idk I saw some mplussers simming 1:30min 8 target and then going "why prism bad"

[pliant remnant]

[balmy condor]

depends what kind of dogshit ass sims you're running

[pliant remnant]

No shot

[blissful pumice]

i was siming 5 targets 5 mins

[dense cedar]

Tsk tsk

[balmy condor]

arguably worse

[blissful pumice]

is that bad?

[dense cedar]

Yes

[balmy condor]

I mean better for your prism value I guess

but complete nonsense if you're trying to get any usable info from it

[hearty seal]

also
I don't know enough so I'll ask
is there any other hero talent that's as remotely fucked up as Deathstalker? not like in terms of damage, but in terms of usability/being poorly integrated into how the game works (i.e. losing mark when a dead enemy isn't actually DEAD, losing mark turning off most of your hero talents entirely, and no way to reapply mark outside of a long CD use if you lost it)?

[blissful pumice]

ok thank you

[hearty seal]

dude I know says Dark Ranger is similarly bad in that regard

[blissful pumice]

I got Lily, Prism and Crystal and i dont know if i should play double on use or one passiv trinket

[waxen oyster]

it isnt

[feral temple]

Do you reapply garrote and rupture after Deathmark, or do you apply them first THEN Deathmark

[glass ice]

if you dont want to sim or dont know how to set it up you can go on murlokio and find the top rogues in m+

[waxen oyster]

prism has higher highs

[glass ice]

good benchamrk as well

[waxen oyster]

and lower lows

[warm vortex]

Tempted to say the idea of dark ranger in BM but you already said

[dense cedar]

Not as bad as deathstslker, but conduit for monk has a bug where you don't get the buff from their hero talent button, just deleting their burst after it

[hearty seal]

he's MM

[warm vortex]

What about transmitter, everyone loves that

[royal lantern]

shado-pan for ww monk has simelar problems hen deathstalker

[pliant remnant]

How tf is Dark Ranger in any way as bad

[warm vortex]

Not MM dr, BM dr

[hearty seal]

that's the one where you have to spend like 6k energy to proc some strong buff so you barely control it?

[weary spear]

I disagree with this

[warm vortex]

Feels like absolute shit to play

[weary spear]

Not knowing why someone made a specific gear choice doesn’t help you

[waxen oyster]

Prism is a cool trinket if you know hpw to abuse amps

[pliant remnant]

Never even specced into BM DR, 'cause it's dead as shit

[dense cedar]

DM isn't a snapshot ability, this doesn't matter at all

[warm vortex]

Fair

[glass ice]

but then if you see it, you ca take a moment and think

[warm vortex]

Acc saying it’s dead as shit is an insult to shit

[pliant remnant]

[weary spear]

Yeah as long as people take it with a grain of salt

[pliant remnant]

Didn't mean to do my homie shit like that

[warm vortex]

Yea, shoutout to shit, they a real one

[weary spear]

At that point just go on wowhead and read gearing guide tho

[glass ice]

and seeing gear distribution from top 50 rogues gives pretty much an idea whats played and how

[waxen oyster]

Tbh im impressed how much people “debate” prism being good

when spymaster was unanimously considered busted

on casters

[frigid lagoon]

is it me or does raidbots only use primary stat + 5 of the same gem for sims?

[dense cedar]

Gotta tick Max colours if you want to sim for rainbow

[warm vortex]

They can’t brainlessly bind it to something so it must be bad

[pliant remnant]

If you select "Only Max Colors", yes.

[hearty seal]

and spymaster stacked like
way worse than prism, I think
you could have a fight where it didn't reach full power the whole time

[weary spear]

Idk it doesn’t give any information just a copy paste

[frigid lagoon]

ah thank you van and peter

[weary spear]

Which is usually bad

[feral temple]

Wdymb snapshot ability

[warm vortex]

Sub channel might

[true tapir]

woops

[warm vortex]

Pfft nw

[dense cedar]

If you have garrote and rupture up already you can just press DM, you don't need a fresh version of them for DM

[weary spear]

It’s the same as tanks in +10s doing the same route they saw Kira do in a +20 without knowing anything about it

[feral temple]

ty

[glass ice]

not even close but ok

[weary spear]

Lol

It is

Doing something with no context of why

Is bad

Just cuz your fav top m+er did it

[waxen oyster]

Yeah prism does ok damage too

[glass ice]

dude

xd

[weary spear]

?

Make a point

You can’t tell me doing something with no context is better than reading a guide for it

[thorn thorn]

Kess did a stat swap for aug in S1 just to prove that stats dont matter and Wyrmrest Temple was flooded with people freaking out asking why he changed stats and why it didnt match sims

Very funny

[glass ice]

thats why i mentioned thinking, if you argue that a whole m+ route is as complicated as choosing a trinket we dont have anything to talk about

[weary spear]

Literally just an analogy lol

Of copying top m+ers

[thorn thorn]

They arent comparable but the concept it is an analogy for is very applicable

[weary spear]

Also don’t change what we’re talking about lmao

[thorn thorn]

M+ has a massive issue of people just mindlessly copying top players

Ross talked about it yesterday

[waxen oyster]

I mean theres multiple trinkets that work

[dense cedar]

You shouldn't equip a trinket just because someone else has it equipped

[weary spear]

I’m saying wowhead gearing guide with context is better than copy/pasting your fav m+er’s gear

[waxen oyster]

araz and antenna top 2 rn due to tuning

[thorn thorn]

Ya

But lily will work just fine

Kind of stuff

[waxen oyster]

Yeah

vault and drop rng

are more relevant early

[lavish geyser]

Is it likely that assa gets nerfed soon since rwf is over?

[normal mist]

we are already fucked

due to the amount of bugs

[dense cedar]

R u insane

[minor coyote]

Hello guys, question... Probably not a perfect indication on if i do stuff properly (cleave build DS),

practiced on 3 dummiest in town

[balmy condor]

where's crimson tempest?

[waxen oyster]

where ct if cleave

[minor coyote]

i used the build from the guide

ughh let me see

[balmy condor]

the raid build?

or the m+ build

[balmy condor]

okay raid build

[minor coyote]

this one, not sure what name was it on the wow guide

[balmy condor]

should probably see more rupture I guess?

are you hitting multiple targets with rupture

[minor coyote]

like swapping targets..?

i casted it on one target as soon as it expires

[balmy condor]

yes, applying rupture to all 3 of your targets

[solar wyvern]

You pressing fok or mut?

[minor coyote]

mut, didnt press fok once

[balmy condor]

[minor coyote]

and no, too bad in the game

focusing on just doing the proper rotaation on one target

swapping targets is too advnace now 😄

[balmy condor]

that's going to hurt a lot

[waxen oyster]

shouldnt mut be in top 4

in raid build

[balmy condor]

I mean idk how long the fight it

1 min

is probably just cds

[minor coyote]

i casted twice kingbane

[solar wyvern]

Thats why i asked

[minor coyote]

and like 10sec more after 2nd kingbane

basically when i hit 0 energy

i stopped

xd

[balmy condor]

but yeh something is off

[solar wyvern]

Oh so like 1:30 yeah makes sense

[minor coyote]

smth like that

[balmy condor]

I mean should still see mut though

[minor coyote]

so do i mut or fok when 3 targets?

[waxen oyster]

mut with vv

[balmy condor]

in that build you mut until 5

[solar wyvern]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[waxen oyster]

but you’re supposed to maintain ruptures

[balmy condor]

but you consume ctw

[waxen oyster]

if mob lives

[balmy condor]

yeh

rupture is a lot of energy that you're missing

[lavish geyser]

So yea?

[minor coyote]

you mean to apply to multiple enemies?

[balmy condor]

yes

[waxen oyster]

Yeah its a huge amount of energy

[balmy condor]

venomous wounds is very important

[solar wyvern]

Each rupture is 7 energy per second basically

[minor coyote]

is ugh, rupture spreadable without swapping targets?

or i just swap targets manually

[thorn thorn]

You can just mouseover

[balmy condor]

there's a talent that spreads it but you don't take it and it requires stealth

[lavish geyser]

Is garrote with carnage up higher prio builder then Fok, even if all targets have garrote on them?

[balmy condor]

no

[solar wyvern]

You can tab target or just mouseover

[dense cedar]

The spec is currently plagued with bugs that harm its dps quite a bit, a nerf to it would just be killing the spec

[balmy condor]

if everything has garrote why would you garrote

[minor coyote]

i'll try one more time...

[waxen oyster]

!40k

[lavish geyser]

Cause it gives 3 cp guarenteed

Ig

[balmy condor]

0 damage for 3cp

[thick axle]

Am i losing my mind or did specing fatebound ass break my CB+ST macro on sub. I tried remaking it but it did not work is there something with spell id?

[nova kelp]

But what if I just refresh a 20 second garotte!? Still more garotte. 😁

[misty holly]

If every target already has garotte then the tank hasn't pulled enough mobs.

[solar wyvern]

Go to sub channel and type !cbbug

[limpid hearth]

Have to relog

[lavish geyser]

Didnt think that fok did fat dmg

[balmy condor]

I mean it's more than 0

[dense cedar]

Garrote is literally 0 damage

[minor coyote]

was very slow, (1st time swapping targets was messy)

anything better..?

[lavish geyser]

But wouldnt you rather be able to send finisher faster?

[limpid hearth]

Fok is a chance for more cp

[balmy condor]

if you have 0% crit and you're just getting 1cp

then sure I guess

but you're gonna crit

[waxen oyster]

How is that cloak doing so much

what the helly

[balmy condor]

cloak is flat damage

[lavish geyser]

Im asking cause im curious

Does it then make sense to get the ui thing that zerocool has? Where you can see how many of your targets have garrote on them?

[proven pike]

Hey guys, Assa still buggie?

[balmy condor]

no

[balmy condor]

pins

[lavish geyser]

Was mostly thinking about m+ isnt it the raid side thst is bugged?

[vocal cradle]

@balmy condor is it so bad it warrants a spec swap for the ds fights?

[indigo mulch]

Wait is it actually -10% because Singular focus isen't working? D:

In m+ that is.

[balmy condor]

M+ is way more bugged lmao

[lavish geyser]

Why? Dont you want garrote on all targets?

[dense cedar]

#assassination message

[balmy condor]

if you can play sub it was probably better on those fights anyway

[balmy condor]

yeah but it's really not that deep

like you don't need to be sitting there going "oh shit, 18 mobs, I need 18 garrotes"

just hit garrote a couple times

does it look like the majority have garrote?

job done

[lavish geyser]

Fair enough

What about st then

[balmy condor]

what about it

[lavish geyser]

Then you get 1 extra cp from garrote, is that worth? Hitting garrote instead of mutilate?

[limpid hearth]

No

[dense cedar]

No

[balmy condor]

[nova kelp]

No

[runic hinge]

no

[analog field]

no

[haughty flicker]

no

[dense cedar]

It's like 5 energy cheaper for no damage

[lavish geyser]

i just play the game man XD

[dense cedar]

You should read ur buttons

[balmy condor]

you realize that hitting a bleed on top of a bleed

does nothing

right

[lavish geyser]

I was mostly thinking about the cp

[balmy condor]

okay

sure

you realize

[minor coyote]

thats what i wanted to ask, for example im missing one combo point to get the green bar to cast a spender, i always went with the logic of (garrote 1 point&cheaper) to get that one point

[balmy condor]

that mutilate can crit twice

right

[minor coyote]

bad?

[balmy condor]

yes

[minor coyote]

[analog field]

like if you are not in pandemic but you are like in 8-9 seconds it might make sense

[limpid hearth]

Unless its pandemic

[balmy condor]

why are we all deciding to just throw 0dps bleeds up

[analog field]

but just press mut

[balmy condor]

it doesn't though

what part of

MAINTAIN bleeds

[minor coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/trying-try-im-trying-ball-catch-gif-5139192

[balmy condor]

is not clear

[lavish geyser]

it was only cause of the cp, i was just thinking that the cp generation was more important than the builder dmg. But ig not

[nova kelp]

But it's called BLEED BUILD surely that means I don't use any raw damage skills right?

[dense cedar]

But garrote is worse cp gen

[balmy condor]

its not even more cp

[weary spear]

He’s saying mutilate can crit

For more CP’s

[dense cedar]

1 vs 2-4

[lavish geyser]

I mean i have been doing pretty high dmg in keys so didnt think inqas doing stuff wrong

[lavish geyser]

Didnt know

🙂

[weary spear]

Assa can do tons of damage in keys without playing optimal

[balmy condor]

broken clock is wrong twice a day

[misty holly]

All this thinking about garrote has me thinking that mobs with two heads, like the two-headed ogre or the chimaera dragons, we should be able to garotte them twice.

[dense cedar]

We are at a point where people don't even know what Seal Fate does

[marble hemlock]

what if the 2 heads are attached to the same neck tho?

[zenith elm]

Mmmm

[nova kelp]

If an ogre has 2 heads. 2 brains. And one identifies as a man. And one as a woman. Then...?

[zenith elm]

That is wrong statement but its funnu

Funny

[lavish geyser]

Well i apologize for insulting your honor, my lord.

[limpid hearth]

I mean a broken clock is def wrong at least twice a day

[glass ice]

technically giving double garrote gives you 24s or sth instead of 18s, no?

[summer viper]

broskis i fucking crafted an int dagger

[limpid hearth]

So technically true

[nova kelp]

It's not wrong. Like it's not. I just hate it.

[zenith elm]

So he is right ? Mmmm

Cause he has more envenom stack

[waxen oyster]

I mean deathstalker envenoms do more

thats just the nature of darkest night+supercharger

[vernal shadow]

[zenith elm]

Fatebound has easier time keeping up envenom

80 percent compared to 90 percent envenom uptime, here is the why

[nova kelp]

That's probably just due to the SF tails coins lol

[zenith elm]

And does garrot deals more dmg to intel based class too? Cause they need their brain more

[zenith elm]

Also

Fatebound on everything

[dense cedar]

Fb best for st

[zenith elm]

Except 3,4,5 boss

Even in cleave its better

Np mate

Be careful, the rotation change a lot with FB

Not a lot, but CD are different

[wooden totem]

Anyone figured how to do dmg on araz? i swapped to sub for that boss cus i have no clue how to do it with assa

[smoky hull]

hey there 🙂 i'm new on the server. got a question, that somebody might be able to help (or confirm, if my understanding is correct) -> In all the guides I read, the BIS gear is "all 5 setpieces" -> is that because all of the stats are really just so close to each other? Would the chest be a better taking the one from HoA with mast/crit?

[zenith elm]

All stats are good stats

So we dont really care except for trinkets

Cause some are overtuned

[cinder geode]

What quests have to be done to unlock the campaign skip on alts?