assassination

[slim hamlet]

raid u play raid

m+ u play the class u know what I mean

[gritty laurel]

yeah this tier is actually really fun with the hero talents since we use both pretty equally throughout

[thorn thorn]

Unless its M+

[gritty laurel]

but fatebound in M+ makes me want to die

[slim hamlet]

just the idea of it is enough

[thorn thorn]

Who was the person here

That said they were gonna do fatebound this season

And ended up changing their mind

[humble verge]

wtf is this :D

[slim hamlet]

xd

[humble verge]

forge AND prism :D

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna disappear at this point, how am I supposed to recommend anything when none of it works

[slim hamlet]

I mean deathstalker is really nice for m+ I just don't like a non KB build and I won't play something that isnt optimal

[balmy condor]

P3 damage

[slim hamlet]

just use vanish?

[thorn thorn]

So true

[humble verge]

ah true ig

[balmy condor]

Might as well ChatGPT the entire spec

[tranquil lynx]

Liquid won

[balmy condor]

They did

[slim hamlet]

about an hour late

[thorn thorn]

They probably already did chatgpt the entire spec

[slim hamlet]

hero talents feels like AI

[thorn thorn]

Thats why fatebound is still terrible in aoe

[slim hamlet]

I began playing mage

imagine my surprise when hero talents are really sick and cool

[visual sun]

Do we foresee any class tuning since rwf is done?

[slim hamlet]

as long as they dont buff ret pala I am fine with whatever

[thorn thorn]

Hero talents are sick and cool when you arent a rogue

[slim hamlet]

yea

warriors were also really boring but rogue is just actually crazy bad

after looking at everything else

[clever sparrow]

even the icons are bad

like death stalker

[slim hamlet]

I saw a video showing all the effects for hero talents, rogue came after warlock

I dont even need to say more

[clever sparrow]

is just looks like an AI generated icon

a guy sits on the roof

[slim hamlet]

the priest Archon icon is 100% AI

a few others could be too but I could be convinced, nothing can convince me Archon isnt AI tho

[thorn thorn]

They didnt playtest archon for shadow

Cuz it was 100% made by an AI

[slim hamlet]

wat

[thorn thorn]

Who thought having a 2m cd that you have to upkeep for 90s otherwise you lose giga damage was a good idea

[agile flame]

first season playing assassination and i feel frustration sometimes when I see the tank chain pulling and i have no vanish

[slim hamlet]

I legit havent kept up with anything besides rogue until for what they are now in 11.2

so idk what happened

[clever sparrow]

which icon is the best?

like most of them are bad

[thorn thorn]

Ok so archon rn for shadow has this omega cringe playstyle that has you getting 90s uptime on voidform

[clever sparrow]

and i guess? the worst one is for rogue

[thorn thorn]

And its very punishing and you lose big dam if it drops early

Or

You could play VW

And just press voidblast

And do 2% worse

gg good balance

[slim hamlet]

I think most of them are good

[clever sparrow]

its kinda cool tho

[slim hamlet]

I dont like Archon it just looks off

I think the coolest to me is probably deathstalker or spellslinger mage

Dark ranger new one is cool too (the one in that pic is old)

[clever sparrow]

harmony things of monk is soo cool imo

andd diabolist

[thorn thorn]

Best for me is either Chronowarden or Voidweaver

I may be biased

[uneven plume]

@balmy condor Whats +/- % on deathstalker bugs for AoE atm?

[clever sparrow]

death stalker is bad tbh

its just look like a default icon

[slim hamlet]

clearly u need more edgyness

its sick

[waxen oyster]

warrior hero talents are at least strong

[obtuse prism]

guys how do u do consistent dmg on bosses in raid ? like we burst high then my dmg drops sm, when only can mutilate n envenom or redot

[waxen oyster]

even if bland

[balmy condor]

Like 4-5% singular, 4% mod, fatal intent is just shit

[clever sparrow]

trickester is the best imo

on rogue

[clever sparrow]

DEMOLISH gigachad

[slim hamlet]

I wont acknowledge trickster as a hero talent

[uneven plume]

sheesh

[clever sparrow]

they actualy change the gameplay

rogue is kinda the same

no matter what herotalent you go

[slim hamlet]

when we got the names but didnt know for who it was yet, I was so hyped for trickster for assa

and then we didnt get

[thorn thorn]

We got fatebound instead

[humble verge]

whisp, do you think sub will just be superior for most fights currently in this raid tier or

[clever sparrow]

tbh fatebound looks more like outlaw sub

not outlaw assa

[slim hamlet]

I cant believe how trickster legit has nothing, fatebound has a little coin and deathstalker has 5 pixels of purple over their head

[clever sparrow]

DOES DEATHSTALKER HAVE ANIMATION???

[slim hamlet]

Fixed next expansion tho trust

[thorn thorn]

It has an X above the targets head

[clever sparrow]

DAMN

[slim hamlet]

Yes xd, I didnt notice until I was zooming in to see something and randomly noticed it after like 10 hours

[clever sparrow]

DIDN'T KNOW THAT

[thorn thorn]

Its purple

And very hard to see

Cuz its very faint

[slim hamlet]

it looks cool... if you play in first person

also hidden behind nameplate

[clever sparrow]

let me test it out

[thorn thorn]

If you have any nameplate addon you 100% will not see it

Because the nameplates almost always block it

[clever sparrow]

OHHH (its bigger on raiding training dummy)

[slim hamlet]

I just dont get how that was ok with them, how there was no like standard for what the hero talents should have. But people have probably complained enough about this so I wont go on

[thorn thorn]

Meanwhile

fdk and bdk get a super sick scythe

[clever sparrow]

Imagine FDK CASTING EXTERMINATE

[thorn thorn]

And it looks and sounds awesome

[slim hamlet]

yea some have insane ones

[clever sparrow]

A COOL FKING SCYTHE SLICING THE ENEMIES

[dense cedar]

rogue never gets to have sick visuals

[slim hamlet]

some have decent and idk trickster and 1 warrior has literally nothing

its crazy

[dense cedar]

we are the stab and slash spec

all we get stab and slash

[clever sparrow]

tbh trickester is the best imo (atleast it sounds great when casting CDG)

the SFX

[slim hamlet]

does it have a sound?

gg

fatebound sound I honestly like too

[clever sparrow]

yes

try it

[slim hamlet]

but there is no universe where u ever notice that coin even if u look for it

[clever sparrow]

its sounds like youre doing 30mil dps

[slim hamlet]

hell no, I aint respeccing

[clever sparrow]

does the coin vfx have any difference?

like can you say which coin is it?

xd

[slim hamlet]

idk it is like 5 polygons

so gl reading it

[thorn thorn]

"technically" you can

[clever sparrow]

lol

[thorn thorn]

But the glow of the coin makes seeing the icon impossible

So you just see a golden circle

[slim hamlet]

the sound effect is nice tho

cant complain there

it feels nice

[clever sparrow]

should i decrese my versa to what? crit?

[slim hamlet]

raidbots.com

[thorn thorn]

Full send crit

[clever sparrow]

with something on it

[thorn thorn]

To get to 69%

The funny number

[clever sparrow]

i had 69% mastery

it was great

[thorn thorn]

And you changed?

Unlucky

[slim hamlet]

reportable offense

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/garfield-garfield-gun-garfield-murder-garfield-commiting-murder-funny-gif-22973598

[clever sparrow]

i had to 💔

[slim hamlet]

yo actually

[digital venture]

!loot

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[turbid sandal]

man I go away for a few days and suddenly we're al bugged up again? What did you guys do!?

[thorn thorn]

Technically not our fault

[slim hamlet]

always been

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965458290358235147/1408924298474815529/teleporting.gif

If you havent noticed

This is the buggiest patch

[slim hamlet]

I will take any bug as long as it isnt the DTB poison bug

[thorn thorn]

What about the one I just posted

That bricks your hm taz run

[slim hamlet]

skill issue

just void elf tp

[thorn thorn]

[slim hamlet]

[clever sparrow]

do you know that you can get stucked

in wall?

[thorn thorn]

Ya

[clever sparrow]

and you have to cry about it

[thorn thorn]

Happened to our tank the first time we did this dungeon

[clever sparrow]

cause you cant get out

[thorn thorn]

Cuz they are dumb as fuck and stood on it as it was forming

[clever sparrow]

happend to me on my first 11

[slim hamlet]

so hyped for midnight

gonna have actually 0 bugs

gonna be so epic

[waxen oyster]

too bad thane is just better now

and way easier

[clever sparrow]

i dont have the money

[slim hamlet]

thunderlord man is cooler anyways

[clever sparrow]

no money no hype

[clever sparrow]

are you talking about elemental shaman?

or what

[slim hamlet]

time to grind so u can boost and buy it for gold

[clever sparrow]

idk how to boost

[slim hamlet]

nah warrior

thunderman hero talent

[clever sparrow]

im 2700 IO

[clever sparrow]

LOL

did they spoiled all of it?

[slim hamlet]

no it exists

I just dont know the name

[waxen oyster]

Yeah its easier as prot

unless you got slow hands and ragecap too much

[slim hamlet]

probably already a gg if u got slow hands on a tank in wow

[waxen oyster]

Have you seen most tank players

[clever sparrow]

wtf

[clever sparrow]

BRUH xd

i love mountain thane build on tank so fun

[thorn thorn]

tldr dont bring an aug to dawnbreaker rn

Upheavel (and other forms of displacement) can bug the curseblades

[clever sparrow]

do they still exist?

aug?

[thorn thorn]

And they just fly off into space on the boat

[clever sparrow]

ahh

[thorn thorn]

And your key is bricked

[clever sparrow]

AUG the ct gun

[slim hamlet]

isnt dawnbreaker the most bugged thing in all of wow

[thorn thorn]

Because sometimes they just dont come back

[slim hamlet]

why did people vote on it to come back

[waxen oyster]

I also like how they nerfed tome

[thorn thorn]

Yes

All 3 of us

[waxen oyster]

and then created a trinket better than it

for tank dps

brand of ceaseless ire is so stronk

[humble verge]

why is method still going

[waxen oyster]

even if it slightly rewards chainpulling

[humble verge]

i dont get that actually

oh nvm

rerun

im actually peepo

[thorn thorn]

So far its the buggiest dungeon I have ever done

[slim hamlet]

When can we vote for dragonflight dungeons to return so I can get my puzzlebox back

[thorn thorn]

And its not even close

[waxen oyster]

i mean lets be real

[umbral sigil]

what was the jail dungeon in BFA?

[waxen oyster]

people only voted for trinket dungeons

[thorn thorn]

I didnt play BFA so idk

[umbral sigil]

welp

[gritty laurel]

i remember algethar academy being giga fucked with bugs during S1 of dragonflight

[slim hamlet]

Tol'dagor or something

[thorn thorn]

But so far out of the pools from DF S1 to now

[umbral sigil]

thats it. way worse

[thorn thorn]

Dawnbreaker is the buggiest I have experienced

[waxen oyster]

tol dagor was a clown fiesta on infested

[umbral sigil]

remember the MDI on tol dagor?

[slim hamlet]

Only thing I remember about Algathar Academy is infinite and then a few more mob snaps

[umbral sigil]

UH DK was PUMPING

[waxen oyster]

Tol dagor was like

you pull to cannons

use cannons

[clever sparrow]

when can i get my
[Convergence of Fates] back

[waxen oyster]

hope your tank isnt a dumbass

to die to the cannons

[clever sparrow]

anyone remembers VENDETA?

😄

[umbral sigil]

this is paradoxical

all tanks are dumbasses

[slim hamlet]

"vendetta"

https://tenor.com/view/paul-mccartney-book-dusty-book-rupert-the-bear-we-all-stand-together-gif-26151358

[clever sparrow]

YES

[umbral sigil]

jesus i forgot vendetta existed

[slim hamlet]

I never ever even specced to assa while that was a thing

[static glacier]

Vendetta was based

[pliant remnant]

So what you gonna do

[umbral sigil]

is outlaw alright now?

[slim hamlet]

Wasnt it just deathmark but worse in every way

[static glacier]

Back when sin did good boss dmg in keys

🙂

[pliant remnant]

You gonna Garrote 1, Garrote 2, Garrote 3, Rupture 4, Vendetta, Exsanguinate, yeah?

[slim hamlet]

and how was the aoe dmg?

[pliant remnant]

Then you gonna FoK FoK, Rupture again

[static glacier]

We don’t ask about that

[thorn thorn]

Poison bomb

[static glacier]

[pliant remnant]

You gonna Vanish, re-apply Garrotes, especially on the target you don't have, and that's it

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/old-people-pressing-buttons-old-people-gambling-old-people-gif-7532496304787656770

[pliant remnant]

then you gonna CT, uhh...Crimson Tempest

LOOK AT MY DAMAGE

FUCKING 40K DUDE

IT'S FUCKING OVER DUDE

[clever sparrow]

i started playing rogue (sin) since WOTLK classic

[static glacier]

I’ll say this, vendetta juiced envenom more than dm juices envenom I think

[clever sparrow]

vendetta made me love sin

[umbral sigil]

guys im gonna break the mold and just stack pure haste

[clever sparrow]

like insane boss dmg

[slim hamlet]

I mean I would hope so since DM doesnt juice envenom at all right?

[static glacier]

Also had various iterations, talents and addons to it

[clever sparrow]

then play outlaw

atleast its fun

[static glacier]

You could argue more amp poison / lethal dose

[clever sparrow]

if you do it

[umbral sigil]

blasphemer

[slim hamlet]

sure if we are talking about the buff

[pliant remnant]

Need a lot of haste for energy regen to send more poisoned knives

[clever sparrow]

(im the yellow name)

[slim hamlet]

just pay your priests

[clever sparrow]

OH YEAH POISONED KNIFE

should i use them

when i cant hit the boss?

[umbral sigil]

LOOK AT MY NAME

[clever sparrow]

or its waste of energy

[slim hamlet]

I am so excited for the day we use poisoned knife for optimal dmg

[clever sparrow]

xd

[waxen oyster]

From my experience this depends on the class.

[slim hamlet]

It will happen at some point

[pliant remnant]

You don't use anything but poisoned knife, bro

[umbral sigil]

Whispyr yelled at me recently for this

i say yelled but he softly scolded me

[thorn thorn]

So you know how ele has earthquake

[waxen oyster]

I have only ever met once a tank main who genuinle enjoys playing guardian druid

[thorn thorn]

And if mobs are not in earthquake they do no aoe damage

[waxen oyster]

over the other tanks

[thorn thorn]

Yea poison bomb was that x100

[clever sparrow]

i had a friend he was loving guardian druid

he had 6x druid

[slim hamlet]

sounds like a tank issue

[waxen oyster]

Almost every good bear i meet is either

playing it for motw

[clever sparrow]

and played guardian druid for 7 expantion back to back

[waxen oyster]

or a feral main who wants his vault slots

[thorn thorn]

Tried playing guardian once

[clever sparrow]

they dont exist

[waxen oyster]

i’ve met one

[clever sparrow]

wake up to reality

no you didnt

[waxen oyster]

he abused xymox trinket with venthyr

[thorn thorn]

I almost fell asleep

[waxen oyster]

to ger r1 all druids

in fated

[clever sparrow]

lol

[waxen oyster]

[thorn thorn]

Its seriously so boring

[clever sparrow]

once i goes to arena in shadowlands

[thorn thorn]

It is literally just press ironfur

[clever sparrow]

a druid guardian was in the enemy team (2s)

he one shotted me with convoke

[waxen oyster]

heart convoke

[clever sparrow]

and i've never stepped in arena again

[waxen oyster]

te

[clever sparrow]

(until last season)

[waxen oyster]

Idk the convoke memes are funny but

[thorn thorn]

In prepatch they were super annoying in pvp

[waxen oyster]

arena truly gives you a hatred for mages

like no other

[thorn thorn]

Because brambles was based for a very short time based on mastery and not damage taken

[waxen oyster]

shifting power soulshape

blink blink

[thorn thorn]

so if you fought them as sin you just died instantly

[clever sparrow]

i've never lost to them

[thorn thorn]

Cuz you would deathmark and all the dots would just oneshot you from damage reflect

[waxen oyster]

Play mages above 1400

[clever sparrow]

if you kill them fast

they cant kill you

[clever sparrow]

i was 2400 solo shuffle

[waxen oyster]

or worse

[clever sparrow]

😄

[waxen oyster]

fucking

evokers

with their nullifying shroud

[clever sparrow]

I HATE THESE

YOU CANT STUN THEM

SO THEY KEEP RUNNING LIKE ANIMALS

[umbral sigil]

Can we get some poisoned knives on the top 10 parses please?

[waxen oyster]

it was relevant for like less than 12h

in antorus

and bugged

[umbral sigil]

just one or two per parse

[clever sparrow]

i have it in my spell bars

[waxen oyster]

holy wrathstone

[clever sparrow]

HELL YEAH

[waxen oyster]

is it hero

[clever sparrow]

WrathSTONE

[clever sparrow]

champion

im gonna use it until the end of the season

[umbral sigil]

its 6 on my keybinds lol

[waxen oyster]

I’ve never seen above a champ wrathstone

[clever sparrow]

NOPE 6 is Arcane torrent

[waxen oyster]

since ulduar tw became a thing

[clever sparrow]

i had it in dragon flight S2

[thorn thorn]

https://i.gyazo.com/b797e1498b6961f7a8a133b19557da18.gif

[clever sparrow]

or 3

i dont remember

the season that outlaw was op af

[waxen oyster]

i had it champ tww s1

on dh

[thorn thorn]

Me holding the one button that thoroughly counters assassination

[clever sparrow]

literaly my keybinds sucks

BUT F FOR KICK

[waxen oyster]

i like queueing into pvp aug

[thorn thorn]

Ctrl Q for vial

[waxen oyster]

and 50% of their damage

is eruption

[clever sparrow]

whats yours 😄

[thorn thorn]

Shift C

[clever sparrow]

damn

ctrl q is easier tbh

[thorn thorn]

Not many are aware that aug is capable of actual burst in pvp

[waxen oyster]

alt q is my oh shit button

on like

every class

[clever sparrow]

lol

for me is

CTRL F

its even calls it

control F

on dk its deathstrike tho

[waxen oyster]

I genuinely dont understand

how people die as dk

[clever sparrow]

good question

they dont die

they kill themselves

like standingg in fire

soaking shits

jumping down and things like that

[waxen oyster]

AMS is the biggest

”i dont consent to mechanics”

button ever

[clever sparrow]

its even more giga chad than Cloak imo

ams = divine shield with less CD

[waxen oyster]

i mean it kind of is

[old terrace]

I’m torn between doing blood dk and prot war for alt

[thorn thorn]

A strong bleed is a swift attitude adjustment

[clever sparrow]

go BM MONK

[waxen oyster]

because blizz rarely makes magic hits big enough

to go through ams

[lofty inlet]

Guys which spec are you using for kyveza ?

[clever sparrow]

that should be fatal dmg tbh

[waxen oyster]

prot warrior is basically a dps

[clever sparrow]

fatebound

raid

[waxen oyster]

tbh

[clever sparrow]

or go sub

sub trickester

i did it with fatebound sin

[lofty inlet]

Ty

[spice surge]

Honestly just play whatever youre the most comfortable with

[static glacier]

I played assassination, outlaw vanishing reset the boss for me and I did less dps as sub

[old terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/chomp-goat-chew-goat-smile-gif-11964772

[spice surge]

The fight is just about doing the mechanics

[clever sparrow]

yep you can kill it with 300k per sec

[spice surge]

Ive heard it has a 15m enrage, but idk

[static glacier]

Nah the shadows would fill the room

[spice surge]

Either way it should die way before that

[clever sparrow]

and you will never be able to do 1.2B in a burst

[lofty inlet]

I just tried it for the first time on normal mode and got it down to 56% before dying. I'm having a hard time seeing the red line

[waxen oyster]

Does your bran not just do

[static glacier]

Regardless I think like 1m dps comfortably beats the soft enrage

[waxen oyster]

like 2.5m dps

[thorn thorn]

Brann is one of the most NPCs we have gotten in this game

[waxen oyster]

idk my bran is a homie

his hatarang crits 25m

[fallow canopy]

[thorn thorn]

He is a mixture of useless and not

[clever sparrow]

tbh sometimes brann tanking is better than my tanks in pugs

[clever sparrow]

cause HIS HUNTER

[waxen oyster]

If you ignore the fact anytime i jump down

he pulls everything

[clever sparrow]

if they wanted to make it useful the wouldnt make it hunter

[thorn thorn]

Maybe rogue will be better

[clever sparrow]

lol

valeria 😄

nah not

valeria

that belf

what was her name

[thorn thorn]

Valeera

[clever sparrow]

valeera

yeah

valeera > xalatath

change my mind

[normal mist]

no one will

[waxen oyster]

If you could get

[thorn thorn]

Cant wait for the evoker delve companion to be aug as dps

And somehow be more useful than actual aug players

[waxen oyster]

footbomb dispenser in kyveza challenge

it’d be nuts

[clever sparrow]

anyone reached 3k btw? how many 13 do i need?

is it 4x like last season?

[clever sparrow]

make sense

hunter:

[thorn thorn]

The hunter standing in bad

tell me something more iconic

[waxen oyster]

An evoker being a terrorist

and then saying

"i misclicked hover"

9/10 times

[thorn thorn]

https://imgur.com/A6FDF2s

Ok you got me there

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965458290358235147/1381396293741449371/2025-06-0822-38-39-Xephyris-TheaterofPain191-Clippedat2025-06-0900-09-58-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[waxen oyster]

lmfao

clapped the dumb chicken real good

[clever sparrow]

what class you guys hate the most?

[thorn thorn]

Mage

[clever sparrow]

to me its huntard

[waxen oyster]

aug or mage

then ret paladin

[clever sparrow]

idk i just cant stand having them

[thorn thorn]

Why do you hate me

[waxen oyster]

have you seen

90% of the aug playerbase

[thorn thorn]

Is it because my comrades are brain dead

[clever sparrow]

what playerbase

does aug even have a player base?

[waxen oyster]

well former

now they're playing dev badly

and perma floor

[clever sparrow]

are you talking about this 293 pepole?

[thorn thorn]

Yes

A few of us

That can actually still play the spec

[clever sparrow]

imagine no D or E tier

instantly goes to F

bottom of the pit

[thorn thorn]

Oh

Propaganda

[waxen oyster]

i like how much

[thorn thorn]

It doesnt actually do that little damage

[waxen oyster]

the mage base is all in one spec

almost

[clever sparrow]

yeah its not looking that bad??

6.2 M

on aug

[celest helm]

hey guys just got tier set for assa, what does the extention on KB mean for our shiv timers

[clever sparrow]

Arcane slaves (most of them cant even do rotation)

[thorn thorn]

Yea it could be worse

[clever sparrow]

one before

[thorn thorn]

We could be ret

[clever sparrow]

one when kb is on 8 sec

[celest helm]

ty

[waxen oyster]

also wait is that s3 or s2 stats

[thorn thorn]

And considering it was doing tank damage in keys at the start of S2 its doing aight now

[clever sparrow]

LETS TRY SURVIVAL HUNTER

[clever sparrow]

S3

[waxen oyster]

lmao hold on

[clever sparrow]

newest

[clever sparrow]

if it was S2 balance druid would be top

[thorn thorn]

Aug would also be in F--- tier

[waxen oyster]

If your tierset works properly, you only send 1 shiv with the non dm sets

[clever sparrow]

tbh the only reason i dont like assassin

is daggers are UGLY

[waxen oyster]

?

magetower

[thorn thorn]

Imagine being less popular than survival

[clever sparrow]

lol

[thorn thorn]

Listen

the amount of FDKs I have beat in keys as aug

Has made me wanna unsub

[waxen oyster]

or the cm daggers

wait this season?

[thorn thorn]

Yes

[waxen oyster]

isnt frost rn

[thorn thorn]

FOTM players are all trash dude

[waxen oyster]

braindead easy

hit the shiny button

is fdk

[clever sparrow]

havent played legion on blizzard servers 💔

was busy dominating warmane 3.3.5

sorry

[waxen oyster]

by dominating he means he paid for a smourne

to terrorize random bgs

[spring token]

Hey in raid with Fatebound talents do u guys just waste the energy all the time or let it build up ?

[waxen oyster]

unless im mixing servers up im pre sure that server allowed you to donate to the mods to get smourne

[clever sparrow]

I PLAYED ARCANE MAGE IN WOTLK

xd

[waxen oyster]

[clever sparrow]

nah

notwarmane

[waxen oyster]

Don't hide you dirty smourne abuser.

smh

[thorn thorn]

Indeed it is

[waxen oyster]

It's insane to me how frequently I would hear "i love wotlk pvp" and the guy is a dk or war player

99% of the time

[silk sundial]

does anyone like to demise max on the 1st Ara-kara boss?

[waxen oyster]

these are s3 gear ilvls?

what kind of rat key

[silk sundial]

that was an 11 lol

do the same on 12s

[waxen oyster]

i mean his ss

but yeah idk arakara is funny

[thorn thorn]

This was week 1

[strange moss]

in m+ for single target opener do you use crimson tempest before using deathmark?

[thorn thorn]

Warrior was brand new and I was phoning it in S2

[strange moss]

or should i just envenom

[clever sparrow]

wtf is this feet that i have

lol

[obtuse prism]

In single target raid opener do i shiv before kings bane but after deathmark or after kingsbane ?

or before both

or after both

or never and uninstall?

[normal mist]

Read the guide

There's an opener / CDs page for that

[clever sparrow]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[clever sparrow]

wowhead is recommended

[waxen oyster]

bro is out here with the wailing caverns set

on a male character

[thorn thorn]

the what now

[celest helm]

just the last 8 sec

so if its a non DM kb i send 1 then ill have 2 for the DM goes

[clever sparrow]

I HATE BEING A BELF BUT IM NOT GONNA PAY BLIZZARD FOR A RACE CHANGE

[halcyon saddle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slim copper]

any way to cheese resets so i dont lose prism stacks?

[wicked carbon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[wicked carbon]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[wind falcon]

weapon enchants: radiant power or council's guile?

[spice surge]

Any stat enchant

[wind falcon]

so, either?

[spice surge]

Any secondary stat enchant ig would be more clear

Because ye radiant power has agi on it, but its mostly the damage proc

[wind falcon]

ahh, so not radiant power

[strange moss]

when getting clear the witness proc is it good to use in ST?

[thorn thorn]

[normal mist]

[thorn thorn]

You ignored me the first time

[autumn idol]

has anyone talked about darkest night bug with the tierset (you get the energy from dn again if you shiv during dn)

feel like this shouldnt be happening

[thorn thorn]

Add it to the list

[autumn idol]

i only noticed it today in keys lol

[patent snow]

I dont find the guide to be very clear about vanish use. Do we use it during the 2nd Shiv during the opener?

DM builds i should add.

[timber pawn]

Is Whetstone better for Bleed Build in M+ than Algari Mana Oil?

[main bridge]

from the pins: #assassination message

you can also sim all consumables

[balmy condor]

you hold it for chain pulls mostly

[normal mist]

Rogue saved

[balmy condor]

I love r/wow

becuase you literally always see rogue topping these types of charts

you see assassination a difficult end-phase execute and it's topping

you see sub on a big burst window and it's topping

literally every patch

for like 4 expansions now

[buoyant herald]

yeah and then you see outlaw...wait

[normal mist]

Nuh uh, rogues bad

[gritty laurel]

don't try to teach them about damage profiles, they can hardly read as it is

[balmy condor]

just don't call them redditors

redditors hate being called redditors

they're just barely intelligent enough to recognize they're the idiots of the internet

a silver lining in of itself I guess

[thorn thorn]

I love wow reddit

So many bad takes

And uninformed takes

[normal mist]

Today doing my 10 floodgate, I die 4 times in a row but we finish it +2, my gf does 6.7M overall, I did 6.6M, she starts trolling me saying she's better than me, and I screenshot the newest pin and sent it her way:

• as you can see everything is bugged and yet you needed me to die 4 times to even compete, sit down.

I'm currently sleeping on the couch.

[gritty laurel]

AITA?

[normal mist]

I am

[main bridge]

why would you do this to yourself

[normal mist]

(fun fact she also sleeping on the couch, we painted our room and she can't be breathing that yet, but it was a fun punchline nontheless)

[echo talon]

When should i use the Netherprism?

[gritty laurel]

i think it was if you're running as DS or don't have 4p tier, you macro to deathmark, if you have 4p tier and are fatebound, you macro to vanish and use every 3min on the DM cycle

but i could be behind on the current tech

[normal mist]

That's what the pin say nontheless

So I believe that's the correct usage

[echo talon]

Cool, thanks

[vernal shadow]

Anyone else getting Council's Guile SIM best for both Deathstalker and Fatebound in ST?

I didnt expect it for Deathstalker

[balmy condor]

yes

that's completely normal

[gritty laurel]

gonna be honest, i haven't simmed or even put a second of thought into enchants or embellishments since season 1

[thorn thorn]

Same

I just buy enchants with stat I want

[dapper cradle]

[main bridge]

one weird trick those sweaty simcrafters don't want you to know!!!

[thorn thorn]

Usually haste or mastery

[real granite]

haste?

[thorn thorn]

Usually I feelycraft my gear

The one time I didnt was when I played rsham

I was told mana is a luxury if you have no crit

and it wasnt an exaggeration

[thorn thorn]

Like push more button

[real granite]

why not just play outlaw

[thorn thorn]

Cuz I would rather die than be caught playing outlaw

[real granite]

idk outlaw is fun, what is the problem with it

[thorn thorn]

If you play outlaw then you are playing outlaw

[thorn thorn]

And thats where the problems start

[real granite]

aah i get it, its like a inner circle joke i guess

man its heartbreaking seeing Echo faces this last 2 hours

[thorn thorn]

Im actually just a hater

I just dont like outlaw

Not fun for me

[real granite]

you can see more sadness in them than in Ion's

[thorn thorn]

💀

[mental trout]

!prekey

!key

lol

what is it

[thorn thorn]

What are you looking for

[mental trout]

opps

[main bridge]

try !help

[normal mist]

Help!

5:10am and I can't sleep

[fallow canopy]

go to bed and start counting

[normal mist]

[minor dagger]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[real granite]

when xal atath affix goes on, it sounds like she says "feets, feets on the void"

[minor dagger]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[frozen glacier]

chadbound is so much more fun in raid than cringestalker

[silent pollen]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[runic hinge]

damn cut off the part with my name in it, i cant be famous anymore

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/бонк-доге-gif-122068642611502956

[grim vigil]

do i try to stay above 50% energy in st with bleed build for sanguine blades?

[main bridge]

no

[slim copper]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[slim copper]

whats link to FB coin count?

thought there was a WA for it

[acoustic kite]

in the fb single target opener should i send max cp envemons for cold blood or just get 5+ for the coin flip?

[rotund oak]

drunk beer,ate pizza until liquid killed dimensius 😛

idk how echo dudes feel though 0.2% wipe was brutal

[misty holly]

has anyone started theorycrafting on what to do with our 3 more class tree and 4 more spec tree talent points coming in midnight?

what kind of cool new combos will there be

[rotund oak]

alpha hasnt launched yet

[visual sun]

nobody knows yet, we still focused if the bugs in the current content will be fixed or not

[rotund oak]

theorycraft what exactly,there is no data

[grave osprey]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[balmy condor]

thanks for reminding me to get rid of that

[haughty flicker]

[grave osprey]

😏

[minor coyote]

are these the main two builds? one for AOE, one for single target, and the other are more niche?

want to learn the "two main big ones" first before going to more niche ones

[marsh ferry]

Not quite

[stable sinew]

One’s pure ST

One is the only one you really play in M+ atm

[marsh ferry]

In raid it’s recommended to swap betwee two builds. In m+ you have one recommended build

[minor coyote]

let me re-phrase, i want one for raids (manaforge) and one for mythic+

[stable sinew]

And the other is for boss fights with cleavable adds

[stable sinew]

What he said

[minor coyote]

so M+ has only one build really, which is the one mythic+ i marked

and the two raid ones are?

[stable sinew]

Yes

Fatebound ST

And Deathstalker Cleave

[minor coyote]

Raid single target & raid council?

on the picture

[stable sinew]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/manaforge-omega-raid-tips#manaforge-omega

Go here

It shows you which build to use for what boss

[minor coyote]

i saw that ye

just which one of those mentioned

are the ones on the picture

are they the two i marked?

raid single target (fatebound) and raid council (deathstalker)

[stable sinew]

I have zero clue tbh with you

Ive never seen or used that

[minor coyote]

it's the guide from whispyr

this

[marsh ferry]

Raid AOE is what you use on Soulbinder, Forgeweaver

Raid AOE, Raid Council, or Mythic+ for Soul Hunters

Raid Single Target for every other boss

[minor coyote]

and mythic+ is for mythic+ thats it?

[marsh ferry]

I use M+ for Soul Hunters

Yes

There are alternative builds for M+, but there are very niche circumstances where you would consider them (bsically almost never)

[minor coyote]

Thing is, i am a new player having this many variety is not ideal, since im not that good right now. what i asked above is

to get into the game

i wanted two builds, one single target and one aoe

i cannot manage 4-5 builds

[cedar timber]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/manaforge-omega-raid-tips

Its harder to find the raid tips section of the guide but it helps to remind you what spec for what boss.

[marsh ferry]

"Raid Single Target" is usable for Soulbinder and Forgeweaver but you might lose a decent amount of performance. Make sure you use Caustic Spatter on fights with AOE though. Caustic Spatter is very important for those fights.

[cedar timber]

The playstyle difference between raid cleave builds and m+ is pretty much the same.

[median socket]

Why is Sub better sometimes? Because of his burst?

[cedar timber]

So you only gave to learn raid st and mythic plus. Just use the raid aoe talents for the suggested bosses and play like m+ build.

[minor coyote]

I see.. so how im understanding, very little difference in the builds if any in the rotation, and there are 3 builds? for mythic + big aoe, Fatebound for single target, and deathstalker for smaller aoe (raid) ?

[marsh ferry]

You can cut down to M+ for M+ and Soul Hunters, Raid ST for everything else, if you are very insistent on only 2 builds.

I really don't think it's too complicated to add in one more build (Raid AOE for Soulbinder and Forgeweaver). So 3 builds total is not too bad

[minor coyote]

So yeah u'd recommend 3 builds for now right?

instead of two

[marsh ferry]

Yeah

[minor coyote]

and from this section they are which?

Mythic+ & Raid single target? and whats the 3rd

raid council or raid aoe?

[marsh ferry]

If you know how to play the other two, you will 99.9% know how to play the third

[minor coyote]

Huston we have a problem 😄 im 2 weeks into the game, i don't know any, but yeah i get what you are saying

[marsh ferry]

It’s okay, you’ll get there

[minor coyote]

so the 3 big ones are Raid Single target, Mythic+ and what's the 3rd one? counil or aoe?

[marsh ferry]

Raid AOE for Soulbinder, Forgeweaver
Mythic+ for Mythic+ and Soul Hunters
Raid ST on every boss (swap to caustic spatter when relevant)

[minor coyote]

there we go

thank you 🫡

[cedar timber]

If you are worried about the focus points to learn. In the two Raid builds you need to know how Kingsbane works. In mythic plus and raid aoe you need to know the deathstalker logic. Once you have that under control you can focus on picking up more of the nuances.

[sharp junco]

In m+, do we CT in single target?

[tawdry halo]

YES

caps

with bleed build\

[minor dagger]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[minor coyote]

hmm i don't understand this part

how do i macro these

[acoustic roost]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[cedar timber]

There is a macros section in the table of contents of the wowhead guide.

[torn dome]

Vanish last 8 sec of kB right?

[cedar timber]

Fatebound single target rotation on the wowhead guide says vanish after dm and kb with cold blood.

[plain hawk]

Hi guys, i have questions if I can't restealth and Im out of vanish charges, but Im running into a fresh pack, what should my rotation look like? When to shiv?
Often Im overwhelmed with the need of applying the ds mark and caustic as fast as I can on my priotarget while applying enough Bleeds at the same time.
Feels like Im juggling a bit to much, while my teammates just spamming their Buttons and obliterating the mobs.
So in past I did something like
Ct,rapture my maintarget, activate Caustic, use darkest night proc, then rapture other Mobs. Then focus on envenom and shiv. But often the mobs are allready dead before I get to this point 😄
Can anybody help me pls? 🙂

[wary quest]

normally you should not be without the mark, when an enemy die with the Mark you instant gain BN, so you can 7combo your next main target and go again

[lethal arrow]

u macro coldblood to kingsbane and u vanish after kingsbane

[minor coyote]

like this right?

[lethal arrow]

yes

that is correct

[minor coyote]

i have to drag these icons to my action bar

not the one from talent tree

[wary quest]

if mobs are dying too fast, just snipe one or two rupt to get full energy

[median socket]

Guys in what situations it is better to play Sub?

[grave osprey]

In the situations in which you prefer to play sub over assa 😅

[median socket]

Why is Sub better performing at Forgeweaver for example?

[coral ibex]

damage amp phases

[vital haven]

burst aoe and dmg amp

[median socket]

Thanks

[waxen oyster]

ngl

if they dont fix this fatebound shit

i might just play sub on non ds bosses

this shit is....

[waxen oyster]

https://www.twitch.tv/imexile/clip/CourageousBlushingClintmullinsTriHard-MV4OCo4OeCirf5Yd
yeah definitely more fun

[elfin valley]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[echo island]

Why is he mad, i dont get it? Because deathmark & kb are desynced?

[waxen oyster]

yeah

[echo island]

Right yeah

[waxen oyster]

too much to ask for a tierset that works correctly

[echo island]

Thats super annoying

[minor dagger]

noob question: does the buff from Shiv in the bleed build only affect bleeds that are already on the target, or does it also buff bleeds applied after you press Shiv?

[haughty flicker]

as long as the shiv debuff is on the target they will take more bleed damage regardless of when the bleed is applied

obviously you want the bleeds to already be on the target though so you're getting the maximum value from it

[onyx pond]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[onyx pond]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[minor coyote]

okay 1st time ever

i went with new build

considering i was doing 2mil dps cuz i was running mythic one here

i am shocked

to say the least

[spice peak]

do u like it ?

for M+ at least

[minor coyote]

i am still lost

but to almost triple my damage

cause i swapped the build

and cause i watched a guide

on rotation

is bonkers to me

[white pumice]

Hey guys, is there any specific spec that is just better for Delves?

[grand trail]

just 23 stacker when questing .D

[marsh ferry]

Told you you’d get it 🙂 if you are feeling lost and you have a specific question, feel free to ask

[minor coyote]

how to get rid of this bar

[sharp junco]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[minor coyote]

there's sometimes 2 appearing

and it blocks my combo points

from being visible

this soulbinder respawn thingy

[balmy condor]

that looks like bigwigs maybe

or dbm

[minor coyote]

i dont even know what that is

i have dbm yes

[balmy condor]

yeah same thing

[minor coyote]

(sry im new lost fully)

how to disable

[balmy condor]

/dbm in chat and go through the settings

[minor coyote]

here i supose somewhere

[balmy condor]

I don't use dbm so can't be more help

[minor coyote]

fair enough ill find it hopefully

but im shocked i doubled my dps if not more

[balmy condor]

yah

good stuff

[mint valve]

for bleed build, is it more worth to be above 150 energy in ST during shiv window, or to fit more envenoms in before shiv debuff ends?

[balmy condor]

you should try to not be above 150

ever

[mint valve]

is sanguine blades not worth to keep up?

in st?

[balmy condor]

no

[mint valve]

is it a big difference in damage?

sorry

this is news to me

btw thank you whispyr

[balmy condor]

technically when it's done properly it's like 0.15%

but no one does it properly

and staying above 150 all the time is real shit

and like -1.5%

so recommendation these days is just simply dont

[mint valve]

thank you good sir ❤️

[worldly dock]

Can some1 help me quick?
My m+ dmg is ok but i saw in chat that we dont need to have like more then 5 Rupt for the buff
So should we have more Garrotes instead of More raptures?
How is ur m+ opener in 7+ adds?

[balmy condor]

improved garrote on everything

[worldly dock]

and then? After 5 Rupt just FoK and Envenoms ?

[balmy condor]

yes

I mean obviously maintaining crimson tempest

but yea

[torn dome]

are we basically f’d in ST if KB and DM are not in sync

[balmy condor]

I mean

you can just sync again

[torn dome]

Yeah worth waiting say 30s with KB off cd for dm to catch up

Or w/e

[worldly dock]

Whispyr...
also for FB build on ST after KB we should use as much envenoms as we can right?

[balmy condor]

it's worth having your cooldowns together, yes

but in what situation would your kb even desync

[torn dome]

In the situation I am bad and mistime it when bosses do shit xD

[balmy condor]

using envenoms during shiv is pretty good, they do 30% more damage :P

[balmy condor]

yeah generally if boss mechanics interrupt you, you can hold everything until after

[torn dome]

Thanks

[balmy condor]

cooldown planning on raid encounters is useful

we have lorrgs and stuff for that

(fatebound lorrgs will be royally fucked though cause the 4pc)

[worldly dock]

if i had 4 pc ....but still at 2... 🙁

Whispyr, does any of ur guides show the rotation beeing used in M+ or raid?

[neat remnant]

I watched the whole 3:30:00 whispyr video and now I'm a rogue legend

[balmy condor]

based

[neat remnant]

honestly though, thank you so much for that video it helped a ton

[balmy condor]

I have my vods up on twitch but haven't made any raid/m+ videos specifically yet, no

[fresh monolith]

quick question, how does the 2set and 4set bonus affect rotation for Deathstalker?

[balmy condor]

don't shiv if you don't have the mark on your target

[fresh monolith]

What if I have one stack left, do I shiv or Envenom?

[balmy condor]

you follow the regular shiv rules

so in cooldowns or for your dry shiv, as long as you're not wasting shiv uptime, you would shiv

but like

you cast it the same as before, you don't "change" anything

you just make sure you aren't slamming a shiv when you don't have a mark

[fresh monolith]

👍

[sharp junco]

What can i improve upon judged by this log?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JaPKywVFkYjcBQ2h?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=4

[half dawn]

This is Fract HC. How the fk is my ST so bad

[thick sigil]

Everyone doing something wrong in that log 🤔

[half dawn]

yeah

fiesta to put it nicely

but i only care about my log xd

[oblique rapids]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[hot fulcrum]

bad chants, no 2nd crafted item for embel from weapon. just imo from first look

[half dawn]

good idea on the craft totally forgot about it

[hot fulcrum]

check your chest and ring chants (especially 2nd ring chant)

you lose 600 agi from chest at least

[half dawn]

I gota hero chest i wanna catalyse waiting for the charge since its fully enchanted

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" overall, but Blessed Weapon Grip + Dawnthread can be VERY VERY slightly better in m+

Always craft a dagger for at least an offhand. Put Ascencion or Blessed Weapon Grip on it. Additional Crafts should be Wrist (maybe Belt later in the patch after dropping the delve belt) for your second embellishment, after that whatever low item level slot is fine, necks can be good crafts.
If you have a myth track weapon in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[hot fulcrum]

yes, this is clear that sometimes you don't want to have best ench on low tier items. My point is that in logs you also compet with guys fully chanted who doesn't care about gold. So best chats = higher log. But ofc not from 8 to 90 🙂

[plush tapir]

does coin damage scale with mastery?

[hallow glade]

Yes, coin = cosmic = nature = “poison” = mastery

[half dawn]

what about the gempaly part of the log

[dense gale]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[real frost]

hi guys, unsure about two vault picks. i'm mainly playing m+. i already crafted dagger last week, now i have the bis m+ drop dagger and anub in vault. after a few sims i am not the biggest fan of anub, but i am also aiming to pug 3 raidbosses mythic, which might give the loom dagger at some point. Still leaning towards dagger pick here. Does anyone have some relevant input here?

[lime flame]

anub is quite a bit worse compared to other trinkets i think even if it may not be permanent the dagger is the move, maybe consider a socket too, that would be a long term investment

[real frost]

thank you! will likely take dagger since i already had to pick socket last week

[bitter compass]

So IcyVeins and Method.gg are saying stat priority is:
Crit
Mast
Haste
Vers

And WowHead is saying:
Mast
crit
Haste
Vers

I know the difference is minimal, I’m mostly just curious. Are most of you prioritizing Mastery over Critical Strike? Or trying to hit a certain Crit % and throwing the rest in Mastery?

[honest needle]

should dks be dumping on me in m+

im doing like 6mill hes doing like 7-8 mill

[bitter trout]

!restealth

!chaining

wtf is the command about chain pulling

[sage wagon]

I have moments in which I get dumped on by elem shams/evokers/locks/dks and sometimes I dump on them, idk wtf is goin on lol

[grim jay]

idk how bad the bugs are tbf

without any, no

[honest needle]

the dks is bursting 20-25k or more

[balmy condor]

hi, I write method and wowhead, method is slow to update. Fatebound is crit > mast, deathstalker is mast > crit

you sim yourself

[honest needle]

i get like 13-16 then shit dies so fast

[balmy condor]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[sharp viper]

press your buttons harder

[honest needle]

what rogue spec has best single target for bosses in m+

[brittle shuttle]

If there’s adds being pulled on boss it’s sin, if there aren’t its sub. I don’t play outlaw tho maybe their pure ST better than sub.

[oblique rapids]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[honest needle]

im just tired of getting gappoed by dks

shit just dies so fast half the time by the time i get bleeds out shits half dead

or less

im thinking in higher keys we do better but its starting to feel like it gets worse

[misty lark]

whats the prefer weapon consumable mana oil?

[balmy condor]

mana oil

[honest needle]

i thought its whetstones ?

[balmy condor]

it was whetstones last season

[misty lark]

whats you thoughts on weapon enchants ? for m+ and raid?

[honest needle]

ok back to mana oils

[misty lark]

seen plenty of different being used

[balmy condor]

whatever secondary stat enchant sims highest, any combination of council's guile and stonebound artistry is fine

[balmy condor]

"back to mana oils" for the first time this expansion, yes

[sullen topaz]

my group wants to go to taz hm today. Wich builds do u play for the first and second boss? im not sure about it. dragon may be regular m+ bleed coz the adds will survive alot. But for first one im tbh unsure

[honest needle]

@balmy condor should dks b gaping us by 1-2 mill