assassination

[marsh fjord]

i tweeted at them on twitter

[dense cedar]

the thing that bugs out is the main draw of deathstalker

[marsh fjord]

😠

[dense cedar]

Monk might win that one

[marsh fjord]

oh an whispyr didnt even mention that DS mark just bugs out

[dense cedar]

that's just a feature at this point

[marsh fjord]

Paying for this game should be illigal but we still do it

[little current]

across all 3 of the specs?

afaik the majority of monk bugs are on windwalker

[dense cedar]

true

ww has like

bizzare bugs

[lavish wing]

we closing the discord or what

[little current]

yeah all 3 spec channels are gonna get closed till midnight

o7

[dapper parcel]

So after my second shiv is over and my teas are all gone, how often should I renew envenom? Right before it expires or just keep spamming it until a few secs before the next KB?

[marsh fjord]

all the time

You can pool

5 seconds before KB comes

around 100-150 energy

and then press KB

and then the last 8 seconds you press shiv again

[royal lantern]

yeha but ww is literally so many bugs, you cant list them all up withou crashing the internet itself

[marsh fjord]

But for every KB you should have 1 tea charge. dependant on if you used it before or not. because you can auto trigger it below 50 energy

[royal lantern]

SEF itself is allready

oof

OOF

[dense cedar]

why ww monk gotta be me favourite after rogue

im cursed

[dapper parcel]

Love ya Numbers. Thnx for the info.

[marsh fjord]

Love you to bud

[thorn thorn]

He didnt mention it cuz its not new

It happened in the beta

And its still happening

[marsh fjord]

I wanna laugh

but im just in pain

At this point are they even aware

[worldly bridge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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LE's Group
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Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[vale fox]

question. in the fatebound opener; why do we shiv before deathmark? Kingsbane has like a 17s application now. wouldnt that mean that we should shiv the last 14 seconds?

or am i missing something?

[dense cedar]

it buffs the tails coin flips

[normal mist]

to buff the coins

[dense cedar]

since cosmic damage is partially nature

[vale fox]

ohhhhh

ok thanks. and then we shiv final 7 seconds of kings?

or upon expiration of 1st shiv?

[dense cedar]

u can just shiv after first runs out

since kb would be maxed by then

[marsh fjord]

in FB you shiv your entire DM

not the last seconds of your KB

you only do that in your solo

KB

[vale fox]

KB?

[marsh fjord]

Kingsbane

[vale fox]

rtrd xD

sorry

[marsh fjord]

np

[vale fox]

ok 1 more question

[marsh fjord]

So in your DM windows. you just do 8+8

and in your KB solo

you do last 8 seconds

[vale fox]

i dont have 4 piece. only 2 piece

do we ever shiv outside of kb?

[marsh fjord]

No. y ou dont

[vale fox]

or just hold both shivs to KB every time

ok

so its not worth throwing a shiv out and then only using 1 shiv for KB solo cd

[marsh fjord]

You dont dry shiv in FB like you do in DS

[vale fox]

got it

[marsh fjord]

Well you can. but at that point

its better to just use it with KB

[vale fox]

so

why is it different int DS

is it just the way the set piece works?

[marsh fjord]

Because DS gives you lingering darkness

and you dry shiv in that window

[vale fox]

ok i got it now

[dense cedar]

HUGE ENVENOM BOOM

[vale fox]

thanks.

[marsh fjord]

Its when darkest night + lingering is active

you shiv

[vale fox]

i was missing so much dmg

[marsh fjord]

for a big env

[feral wasp]

Hi ladz, I feel like i need to do a lot more dps, am i being cucked by my stats? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/thFJ4WZp8qmKMkBx?fight=last

[hollow fulcrum]

do we run lilly until we get prism from raid

ideally

[dense cedar]

just sim your best trinks

[hollow fulcrum]

well i dont really have any

or do you mean droptimizer

[minor coyote]

okay, UI is peak now

time to learn the game 🫡

[vale fox]

ok i need a little more clarification on something

why are we vanishing after KB in FB

[minor coyote]

thanks for the help today guys, have a good night 🌉

[waxen oyster]

Read your hero talents

[dense cedar]

[vale fox]

but there's so many of them

cant u just point me to the one?

[waxen oyster]

all 5-6 of them?

[dense cedar]

Double Jeopardy

legit no one reads tooltips in this server

[waxen oyster]

its concerning how people dont read their talents

[vale fox]

i play warrior. i press execute. rogue is alot XD

[waxen oyster]

when first learning a spec

[dense cedar]

@vale fox what does envenom do other than damage

[vale fox]

ohh

i see

dbl j is actually cool as fck

some poison application buff 30% stuff

[brave comet]

i just did, i tested it in the fight

[dense cedar]

not totally fried, i see

[marsh fjord]

Basically it means if you have a double coin. you both get a extra coin phalanx

[brave comet]

i have a line on me

[barren yarrow]

ok i have a noob question but i noticed that if i swap talents and run my droptimizer again itll give me different priority. Is there an easier way to find out what dungeons i should be prioing?

[waxen oyster]

No

Assa stats are fluid

[barren yarrow]

ok so just upgrade gear period

[waxen oyster]

You go for agi

[barren yarrow]

right

ok gotcha

[wicked carbon]

Should I use my ambush procs over FoK on aoe fights ?

[waxen oyster]

And you dont want some goofy shit like 30k of one stat

due to drs

[barren yarrow]

drs?

[waxen oyster]

diminishing returns

[barren yarrow]

gotcha

[waxen oyster]

after a certain point you just get like

30% less value

from a stat

[barren yarrow]

right right

yjr hidden value or w/e

[dense cedar]

ambush has the same value as mut, except if ur outta energy

[barren yarrow]

the*

[dense cedar]

then should just press the proc cos its free

[waxen oyster]

free is good

as most things in life

[wicked carbon]

If it's free, you're the product

[brave comet]

i might have to quit my guild since NS WAs dont work for me

[vale fox]

damn i used to start with mutilate but i should;ve garroted on impact.

[waxen oyster]

ngl im impressed sometimes how much people overthink this spec

[humble verge]

no its easy

[waxen oyster]

i just do same shit i did in s2

[brave comet]

tried every solution everyone suggested nothing works

[vale fox]

i didnt know that for FB you start the opener with garrote

cool

[thorn thorn]

Did you not see the clip

[waxen oyster]

except now its your overalls are even more massive

[dense cedar]

IC not single button press like Shadow Crash and Seed

dots too hard now

[waxen oyster]

i love the pug commentary of

”where did miniboss go”

casually doing like 80% of damage to it

[dense cedar]

hopefully we get bug fixes

can do 90% of the damage to it

[waxen oyster]

Best i can do is nerf spatter

with bugfixes

fuck your dps loss bugs though

[dense cedar]

there gonna somehow bug singular focus to spatter or something next

make the game crash when u envenom

[devout hazel]

hey

do someone have a macro for insta vanish when i melt

[waxen oyster]

dog what

[waxen oyster]

wouldnt that be an infinite feedback loop

[dense cedar]

#assassination message

[waxen oyster]

Thing i hate the most about being the best m+ spec of the class

you get all the smoothbrain m+ mains asking the goofiest shit

[dense cedar]

they should just play fdk

[vale fox]

question. do yall have prepot macroed to DM in all builds?

or just FB

[waxen oyster]

ngl i actually like when outlaw is the default spec

because good vs bad outlaw

is super blatant

I dont have pot macroed to anything

[dense cedar]

the m+ discussion of rogue is not about which spec is best

its about

[waxen oyster]

[dense cedar]

the skill issue gap

[waxen oyster]

got me fucked up if you think

im gonna pot again outside execute

[dense cedar]

sin > sub > >>>>> >> outlaw

[waxen oyster]

etc

Sin is the easiest of the three though

[dense cedar]

for how much u can get away with not rly knowing waht ur doing

ye

sub generally worse of if u play it badly

[waxen oyster]

Like the number of people you see

[dense cedar]

outlaw is mega dogshit if u play it bad

[waxen oyster]

who cannot play this spec without IC

[dense cedar]

realistically a problem fixed with good plater profile

[waxen oyster]

assa is the most training wheels multidot spec

nowadays

[dense cedar]

dmg difference itsn't huge ofc, but I feel like a troll by thinking aobut pugging 13s rn without tier

[vale fox]

another noob question. why do we start with Garrote in our opener in FB? shouldnt we ambush first?

[dense cedar]

ambush and mut are basically the same output

[waxen oyster]

Yeah its really not a massive difference

[dense cedar]

garrote is first for the energy regen basically

[vale fox]

ohh

ok

[dense cedar]

since u just press mut after it

[vale fox]

makes sense now

thanks

[waxen oyster]

Although i cant do big chungus on first pull gambit with prism

[dense cedar]

might aswell get an energy tick in first

[vale fox]

i like to understand these things not just follow a flow chart

[waxen oyster]

only doing like 20-25m without a trinket on that pull

[supple frost]

anyone got a weakaura that says how many enemy mobs i've rupture/garrote

[dense cedar]

legit don't wanna waste time looking for keys

jsut for them to inspect and kick me

[waxen oyster]

i hate pugs

just because people are so ass

[dense cedar]

i've beeing doing all my keys as guild so far basically

don't wanna deal with it

[waxen oyster]

I tell myself im reformed and not toxic at all anymore

[dense cedar]

even if it means having to wait around for people to be free

[waxen oyster]

then 5 minutes into pugging

pugging just brings all the toxico out

idk

[vale fox]

also. do you fellas maximize your CP or just use the finishers on 5+? so like i find myself pressing another mut trying to hit that 7 CP but the opener guide says just do the finishers on 5+. is it not that important to hit 7 all the time?

[dense cedar]

hard for me to be too toxic

im the worse of the two rogues in our guild

[waxen oyster]

You have to understand why 7pt finishers are a thing

[dense cedar]

he's got more gear than me rn but even if we were equal he'd gap me in deeps

[vale fox]

i know you do them for maximum dmg on env in DS

[waxen oyster]

No you really only press on 7

because DS capstone

kind of requires it

[vale fox]

ok so in DS you try to hit that 7 as much as you can before env

got it

[dense cedar]

points 6 and 7 are mostly just overflow for mut

NO

[waxen oyster]

No you need to spend on 7 to consume darkest night

[dense cedar]

you literally have to hit 7

or it doesn't work

[waxen oyster]

and restart the mark cycle

[dense cedar]

and only the darkest night envenom to get mark

otherwise all other finihsers are 5+

[vale fox]

oh yea i know that but lets say you have mark on enemy do you still go for 7?

or just blast it at 5+

[waxen oyster]

consume 3 marks with 5+

then you have dn

which needs 7

[vale fox]

then 7

got it

[dense cedar]

btw

[waxen oyster]

then back to 3 marks

repeat

[dense cedar]

weird habit i have dunno if even good

i often just early garrote if im 1 point off

its like

5 energy saved

i dunno why I do it

[waxen oyster]

and 4p currently consumes 1 mark stack when shiv is hit

[vale fox]

but in FB opener you do 5+ Rupture, 5+ Env in the opener

you dont need 7

right?

[waxen oyster]

fb has no reason to finish at 7

[dense cedar]

only darkest night needs 7

[waxen oyster]

You just might land at it more due to the passive

[dense cedar]

the 6 and 7 are for damage/ mut overflow

[vale fox]

got it. was thinking that hitting 7 Rupture 7 env would be better

but thats just me not knowing the class

[dense cedar]

its linear damage

[sacred schooner]

how do people play with [Unyielding Netherprism]?

on cd or keeping stacks

[vale fox]

what dis mean?

[waxen oyster]

theres probably pad arguments to hold a 7pt dn envenom to spatter on an add set

like 2-3 seconds

[dense cedar]

Fatebound marco'd to vanish, Deathstalker macro'd to DM

[dense cedar]

a 5 point rupture and and 7 point do the same damage

one jsut lasts longer

[sacred schooner]

zerocool just playing by keeping stacks

[dense cedar]

which doesn't matter much at all since you refresh in the pandemic window

[round fjord]

Quick question, on huge pulls on m+ there is any count on how many ruptures/garrote u wanna have it?
And there is any energy pool mark for envenom ?

[surreal zephyr]

hello guys, does 4 set affect caustic spatter much? when i see other assa rogues their caustic is top damage in m+ but mine is like 5th place. so is it the 4 set or am i just a noob?

[waxen oyster]

I mean the point of prism is you can hold

if you know theres a bigger window ahead

[vale fox]

see this is why i need to ask these questions. i was looking at things differently

thanks

[waxen oyster]

For the average person who isnt that smart

[dense cedar]

keepy stacks is smart play for a damage amp phase

[waxen oyster]

just macro ye

[dense cedar]

but ur liking holding cds for a moment for that aswell

im too dumb to use prism that way

I just send it for funsies

[waxen oyster]

prism isn just goated for its flexibility

[dense cedar]

very high passive damage for an on use too

[rigid tartan]

Got 4pc tonight so big hype but then i got really confused when kb dm went out of sync on a boss 😂 came here to check pins and found what I was suspecting

[dense cedar]

kinda just busted trinket

[waxen oyster]

sub playing forge and prism

is funny to me

big booms

[dense cedar]

legit wanna sandbag on sub and just use a passive for 2nd

[onyx spindle]

whats the best flask for sin? i feel like alchemical makes me energy starved when its - haste

[dense cedar]

alchemical chaos is the best flask

[waxen oyster]

bro is really thinking 200 less haste

is even 1 energy per second

[onyx spindle]

ok dad

[surreal zephyr]

hello guys, does 4 set affect caustic spatter much? when i see other assa rogues their caustic is top damage in m+ but mine is like 5th place. so is it the 4 set or am i just a noob?

[waxen oyster]

i got mythic pacemaker first vault

peak brain off trinket

[dense cedar]

im running prism and the rock thing from Dawnbreaker

[waxen oyster]

I got that for one key

[waxen oyster]

CT should be higher

[dense cedar]

no longer using my sacbrood

haste has become the enemy

[waxen oyster]

CT>spatter>rest was already the breakdown in s2

[surreal zephyr]

then idk what im doing wrong, i apply it to the prio target after applying other dots to the pack. any tips on how to make use of ct?

[waxen oyster]

Idk hit your main target more

CT is just your fattest bleed

you refresh it when it needs to be

[surreal zephyr]

alright, thank you

[waxen oyster]

If you arent hitting your main target

your likely are sending envs into non spatter targets

[surreal zephyr]

i am, i always put focus on my main target so i dont lose the mob with dm

[humble verge]

yes

[dense cedar]

Steets is peak

[waxen oyster]

Idk spatter not even in top 3

means you are playing weird

[static glacier]

@sage tapir I KNEW IT

[royal lantern]

the ultimate detox

[static glacier]

I was aking you earlier why you had such low singular focus

[waxen oyster]

lmao we love blizzard

[static glacier]

pigs

[waxen oyster]

It’ll be fixed in midnight prepatch

[static glacier]

like why tf are so many decisions nonsensical

why do our weapons take so much durability dmg in combat

the amount of times ive had them break mid combat and asked my guild to drop repair mid combat

[pallid pecan]

Just download Hekili addon to learn rotation

[static glacier]

it's become a fucking meme

[sage tapir]

makes sense now why i graylogged second boss

[vale fox]

one more noob question. since you said dmg is linear from 5CP to 7CP for rupture. how does it work for env? im guessing env still does more dmg with more cp no?

[static glacier]

ye and extra buff duration

[vale fox]

ok so env is still better at 7

got it

[static glacier]

pause

[vale fox]

thank you so much guys

[static glacier]

wait wait

no its not better at 7 always]

[dense cedar]

do it at 5+ still

[vale fox]

ok

i will

[static glacier]

if you finish only at 7 you'll cycle marks slower

cycle coins slower

[dense cedar]

the 2 extra combo points are better spent on the next envenom

[spice surge]

A 7cp envenom does more damage yes, but you dont want to build to 7 always

[static glacier]

finish at 7 for dn

[spice surge]

If you are at 5 or higher you send

[static glacier]

otherwise 5

[vale fox]

ah i see

[reef timber]

are we applying rupture past sent of blood agi in big pulls?

[vale fox]

so its worse to build to 7 every time. more dmg if you send at 5 and just do 7 for DN

but for FB you just send at 5 always

[static glacier]

yes exactly

[vale fox]

this helped me alot

thank you everyone

for putting up with my silly questions

[static glacier]

only exception is if you're dealing with super short lived adds that you want to rupture snipe for energy

[dense cedar]

its like the core of the spec

[vale fox]

i used to peak 4.7M in opener. now i just hit 6M

XD

[dense cedar]

someone has gotta tell u

or big problems will start

[vale fox]

i did feel like i was doing something wrong

i knew i was thinking of certain things wrong for sure

and you just helped me re-angle my view

thanks

[clever sparrow]

what trinket should i use beside araz?

!trinkets

!trinket

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[thorn thorn]

[naive briar]

hello, what doe "pooling energy" mean ?

[humble verge]

not bad

time to get top 20 floodgate

[static glacier]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
• Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
• Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.

[static glacier]

pooling means waiting for energy and not pressing buttons, the way you do it is waiting to use a finisher

you never pool in cooldowns or with darkest night

[clever sparrow]

doesnt have any meaning anymore

[static glacier]

the idea if you hold energy to spend it where it would do more damage

the only time we pool atm is before kingsbane for like 4-5s tbh

it used to matter more

[clever sparrow]

back in wotlk you had to pool energy

for envenom uptime

[static glacier]

tbh there's some pooling optimisation in m+ build for sanguine blades

but we dont reccomend since it's a miniscule gain and doing it wrong loses you a lot of dps

[clever sparrow]

0.3?

doesnt worth it

[naive briar]

ok, thx guys 🙂

[static glacier]

ye it's not worth if people ain't super comfortable with the spec

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[waxen oyster]

You guys pool for dps gain

i pool because i feel like sitting there doing nothing

[static glacier]

you pool to watch reels on your phone, we are not the same

[waxen oyster]

we are not the same

[vale fox]

ok so another thing i think im doing wrong. in ST FB we never dry shiv right? How do you guys use the shivs during your KB window. Do you KB then 2x Shiv the last 14 seconds of KB? or do you shiv pre kb and then last 7 seconds

[dense cedar]

most people who pool sanguine in st end up just dropping their rupture or CT when needing to land a DN envenom

actual noob trap mechanic

[static glacier]

during dm you send 1 shiv before and 1 at the end of kb

[waxen oyster]

”do i spend my dn or refresh rupture”

[vale fox]

yes but when doing small go.

[waxen oyster]

uhh ideally do not be in this situation

[vale fox]

without deathmark

[static glacier]

for lone kb if you have 4set you shiv the last bit

and you dont 2x shiv since youd not get 2 back for next dm

if you dont have 4 set just 2x shiv every kb

[vale fox]

2set for me

ok

[devout hazel]

lol

[vale fox]

got it. but at 4 piece you shiv only the last bit?

im guessing cuz DM comes up faster

right?

[static glacier]

for lone kb yes, since we have 90s dm and 45kb we dont have enough shivs for 2x shiv on every kb

[vale fox]

i see

[waxen oyster]

this is assuming

[vale fox]

and does that give you time to use a dry shiv somewhere?

[waxen oyster]

your tierset doesnt bug out

[static glacier]

no

[vale fox]

ok

[static glacier]

shiv 30s cd

[waxen oyster]

and desync your cds

[vale fox]

so shiv is just always there for CDs

[static glacier]

yes

[vale fox]

not like M+ bleed build

[compact bear]

Anyone got a script or so for Plater that changes colors depends on posions on mobs? 🙂

[static glacier]

also the reason for dry shiv is removed, no lingering or dn

[waxen oyster]

sometimes your dm is a 1min cd because blizz does a little trolling

[static glacier]

the truly naked kb xd

[waxen oyster]

the exile crashout clip

i watched that like 10x

[static glacier]

link

[waxen oyster]

ahahhaha

[static glacier]

not seen

i bet its cinema

this entire class is just fucking cinema

[haughty flicker]

oh when his cds get fucked

yeah that was funny

[dense cedar]

good thing that dr poison is worth bring our blighted rat class

[clever sparrow]

i pool bcs im dead

heh

[waxen oyster]

https://m.twitch.tv/imexile/clip/PrettyModernCheesecakeHeyGirl-KalQfR617CWD7XER

[quiet oar]

should close the discord

[waxen oyster]

real

Put it on read only

[pure delta]

For FB do you always maintain rupture even though it is more likely to drop coin stacks

[vale fox]

ok so im testing it out on the dummy rn. i should be 2x shiv the last 14 seconds of KB right?

like wait 2-3 seconds after casting KB and then 2x shiv on fade

[static glacier]

[static glacier]

in cds you shiv before kb and then when its 50 stacks

[vale fox]

in lone KB

i got the opener down pat thanks to yall. still tryna figure this lone KB out

[dense cedar]

an all-timer

[timid bramble]

which quest is the weekly for spark?

the one u choose between delve vs wb vs quest?

[onyx spindle]

do i always wanna be over 50% energy for sanguine blades? sorry im new ish to sin

[earnest remnant]

he had a mini one about coup, on dimensiues cuz he kept getting fucked by delayed combo point refunds

[waxen oyster]

and the soulhunters clip

this class is just a meme generator

[dense cedar]

coup animation is weird

[pliant remnant]

coup de grace

more like poop de grace

(yes i know those don't actually rhyme idc)

[midnight mist]

i swear

i love sub

but this bug

takes me out of it

everytime

i cba

[fallow canopy]

what's the bug? coup giving the refund at the last hits? instead of the first?

[earnest remnant]

their fault for coding it like they did

its a blanket spell of 3x eviscerates

so all 3 can proc shadowcraft

[onyx spindle]

do i always wanna be over 50% energy for sanguine blades? sorry im new ish to sin

[dense cedar]

wait for real?

[static glacier]

yes

[fallow canopy]

oof

[dense cedar]

genius manoeuvre

[candid sun]

Is this what the standard WoW player at high level looks and sounds like

[earnest remnant]

tbf it is kinda smart

[static glacier]

nah, just the strandard rogue

[earnest remnant]

just had some unforseen after effects

[candid sun]

Lmfaooo

[haughty flicker]

i think coup is made out of multiple teemos

[candid sun]

Nerd raging on stream is not a good look

[static glacier]

i spent 4 hrs of my weekend writing a thesis on the forums bitching about this class

[marble hemlock]

3 eviscerates in a trenchcoat?

[earnest remnant]

3 raccoon in one?

[candid sun]

I guess im lucky to not even have internet or a sub rn

[static glacier]

neither is a bug fucking his dps on a tight dps check, it's his job

[vale fox]

hurts to have S tier outlaw trinks with no sword to play outlaw with Xd

[candid sun]

Small indie company, is this truly a surprise though

Has this trend not been established over multiple patches and expansions

[pliant remnant]

You're so wise, Patience

[waxen oyster]

More how fast

[dense cedar]

Midnight the game will work perfectly

[waxen oyster]

they’ll bugfix if its a positive bug

or a mage bug

[candid sun]

I just save my anger for shit that's worth it

[earnest remnant]

it technically is "positive"

[dense cedar]

except your tank getting in combat will pull you out of stealth and disable mutilate or something

[earnest remnant]

is just throws your rythm off

and your plans for the fight

[earnest remnant]

so who gets to decide whats worth it?

[waxen oyster]

I just send stuff to blizz dev’s mailboxes

peacefully

jk

[haughty flicker]

being passionate about what you do is cringe

[candid sun]

I dont play WoW at such a high level that it matters and I dont stream and make a livelihood off of it, I do other things to make money. So tbh? Not my problem, I got told my whole life to git gud, so I just git gud and don't bitch

[dense cedar]

TRUE

[coral ibex]

i'm sure he needs your advice

[waxen oyster]

not even that bad of a crashout

[thorn thorn]

You are the opposite of bob ross

[waxen oyster]

have you ever seen sports fans

[thorn thorn]

Bel ross

[waxen oyster]

[candid sun]

Its just funny to me lol

Bro

Don't get me started

[haughty flicker]

there are no accidents just terrible fucking mistakes

[candid sun]

Nerd rage is funny, sports rage is equal parts dangerous and cringe

[waxen oyster]

sports rage is honestly equivalent

you’re not playing the sport so

not anymore involved

[candid sun]

Fair

I'd be happier playing than watching

The actual observers raging over their team losing is like

What

[static glacier]

Thing is we spend hundreds of hours of our free time on this game, some people are competitive and expect the game to work without constant bugs, I get you but at the same time it’s just frustrating since other classes have nowhere near as many bugs for as long

[pliant remnant]

"hundreds"

[static glacier]

In a tier I think hundreds is fine

[candid sun]

I dont mean to be dismissive; i get the passion. Perhaps im jaded or just figured "nobody cares so I'll cope and work with what I got"

[static glacier]

You don’t take over 1k hrs in prog

[coral ibex]

you aren't playing the game in the most competitive format

[pliant remnant]

Well, you said "on this game", not "on this raid, during prog"

[thorn thorn]

I give blizzard money and in exchange I ask them that I not get pranked out of getting my HOA portal

[pliant remnant]

I was just being cheeky anyway

[static glacier]

Touché

[thorn thorn]

I was the one pranked

They did it anyway

[waxen oyster]

I give blizzard money

[coral ibex]

this is literally the most important thing these guys do

why wouldn't they be passionate

[waxen oyster]

to watcu my character fall through the world

[static glacier]

Had to time it 5 times to get the portal here 🙂

[waxen oyster]

because they’re above basic qa testing

[candid sun]

Honestly, I can't take streaming as a career seriously

[dense cedar]

dumb basketball player rages because the ball deflates whenver its passed to them

smh

[candid sun]

That's just me

[static glacier]

Also some people are just passionate by nature, I am for sure and I get emotional about games

[thorn thorn]

Achievement bug preventing me from getting portal

Good one guys

[waxen oyster]

Social streamers imo are worse

[candid sun]

I find myself internally saying "get a real job and get competent at something that you can translate skills to"

[waxen oyster]

Or uh

prank streamers

[coral ibex]

oh you're one of those

[earnest remnant]

personally i ragebait them at tell the angry person to just stop being angry, but for some reason it doesent seem to work and only makes them more upset

[coral ibex]

[dense cedar]

agents of satan

[candid sun]

Its a game, have fun, even if having fun means dying for hours lmao, there's an entire series for masochism

[coral ibex]

being passionate about your hobbies is worthless unless you convert it to dollars

noted

thanks

[thorn thorn]

Acting isnt a real career either

Just as fake

[candid sun]

I dont take actors seriously either

[static glacier]

I feel like at work you’re some muted grey version of yourself, people can only truly let loose outside of it

[pliant remnant]

Also your job is not a real job unless it can be perceived as being "skillful"

[candid sun]

There's not a lot I do take seriously lmap

[thorn thorn]

[fallow canopy]

We gatekeeping careers now?

[coral ibex]

why should anyone care what you take seriously

[dense cedar]

Only real job is dying in a steel mill

[coral ibex]

does your opinion matter?

[static glacier]

Like meme streaming if you want but acting is deffo a real career with a lot of history

[candid sun]

I mind my business and keep to myself and indulge my hobbies all the same. Im there for my paycheck. I would probably fucking hate if I had to monetize dancing

[earnest remnant]

personally if your job doesent pay more than mine its not a real job, get on the grind bud

[candid sun]

That's my passion

[thorn thorn]

You sound like a lot of fun

[static glacier]

Bro joffreys actor was so insane he got people to genuinely hate him bc of how well he played the character

[coral ibex]

the guy plays rogue for a world first guild and was upset about a bug affecting his ability to perform

and you think its cringe

[earnest remnant]

generational internet ragebait, is what he did ong

[static glacier]

Imagine needing to work, you don’t have generational wealth? Get on the grind bud

[thorn thorn]

TRUE

we are all getting ragebaited

This guy isnt real

[waxen oyster]

Prank streamers who go into low risk countries to do it.

[fallow canopy]

Poor guy tho, was so good at acting he had to stop

[waxen oyster]

are fr the worst.

[candid sun]

Of course I do, I respect the fact these dudes are masochistic enough, but I just dont value the end result. I feel like you want me to care about something that will never ping my radar as srs, and its funny you're even weighing the responses of a nobody with no skin in the game

[earnest remnant]

i mean yeah he fucked rocked that role

[waxen oyster]

i.e go into a country where someone isnt gonna punch you in the face for being a nonce

[earnest remnant]

like he actually got yout to hate him

[static glacier]

I don’t engage in ad hominem or appeal to authority, I’ll treat your argument seriously and in good faith if you make one

[thorn thorn]

"But I just dont value the end result" is enough for me to know that I do not care about your opinion or thoughts as a human being

Begone

[dapper halo]

guess what im farming

[candid sun]

This was more aimed at nooj; you're pretty reasonable

[earnest remnant]

bitcoins?

[runic hinge]

being in a wow discord hating on the best wow players in the game

[onyx spindle]

do i always wanna be over 50% energy for sanguine blades? sorry im new ish to sin

[dapper halo]

trinket

[haughty flicker]

wdym nobodies been hating on me

[thorn thorn]

Seaforium?

[dapper halo]

yesssss

[runic hinge]

I'm right here

[waxen oyster]

at least this season its not massively better

[earnest remnant]

no

[thorn thorn]

[waxen oyster]

than the other options

[dapper halo]

one neck two daggers one boots

[haughty flicker]

[dapper halo]

no trinky

[fallow canopy]

I've been hating on you

[static glacier]

Exile crashing out is like a sportsperson screaming or crying if they lose or miss a key shot, I don’t think it’s much different

[waxen oyster]

I got myth from my first vault

[fallow canopy]

[thorn thorn]

Bro

I do

With your

You know

[pliant remnant]

I stopped hunting for gear and the second Floodgate after it I looted a Pacemaker with speed

[thorn thorn]

situation

[haughty flicker]

[static glacier]

If anything exile is more justified since gravity and physics don’t just bug out mid match

[pliant remnant]

You just gotta stop caring and the loot drops immediately

Scientifically proven to work

[waxen oyster]

I’ve done one floodgate this season

[candid sun]

"noooo this socially well adjusted individual who doesn't cry blood sweat and tears over a 20 yr old game isn't a masochistic zealous fanatic like me, bot detected"

[waxen oyster]

got it in vault

now no reason to

[pliant remnant]

[dapper halo]

lol x)

[thorn thorn]

L

[waxen oyster]

its still worse than antenna

of equal ilvl

[real granite]

almost 20 floods sent im just switching to dawn fuck this damm instance

[pliant remnant]

Praying for Antenna in vault this reset

[waxen oyster]

I did this in s1 too

[dense cedar]

tier could've used 1 more good passive trinket

[waxen oyster]

one floodgate done

[dense cedar]

to save us all

[waxen oyster]

get trinket first mythic vault

ermm s2

[thorn thorn]

Just get it to drop on the first try

Its that shrimple

[waxen oyster]

thats what i did in s2

first floodgate at 10+ dropped it

then was in vault the coming reset

[thorn thorn]

Its just that easy

[waxen oyster]

i slammed gilded into the one i got this reset

so im chilling until myth antenna

[dapper halo]

" your pulls are writing checks our dps cant cash "

[thorn thorn]

Our warrior has been trying to get seaforium

[dapper halo]

this is what i wrote to a tank

[thorn thorn]

And our new rogue got it on his first floodgate

[dapper halo]

that overpulled

[rigid fable]

Should I flame the tank who won’t let me go stealth?

[dapper halo]

yes

[rigid fable]

aight

[waxen oyster]

my rat warrior got the dimensius trinket

from tw cache

[thorn thorn]

Is it a pug

[dapper halo]

do you have double vanish

[rigid fable]

yea

[static glacier]

Let the resentment grow over the course of the key then let him have it after

[thorn thorn]

Are they a vdh

[dapper halo]

double vanish is kinda mandatory

[candid sun]

You'll probably hurt his feelings then he'll leave then qq simulator

[rigid fable]

most of tank

[thorn thorn]

If they are a vdh then do it

Fukit

[waxen oyster]

ima be real

if the vdh is a male elf

ima instant kicking

[thorn thorn]

Xiani aboutta give us our weekly lecture about male dh and transmogs

[waxen oyster]

its so rare to see a dh with a good mog

ngl

[dense cedar]

those males elves sacrificed everything

[waxen oyster]

Even though their very first mythic class set

[dense cedar]

what have you given?

[waxen oyster]

looks better than 90% of mogs for the class

[thorn thorn]

My ability to time the key by inviting them

[waxen oyster]

also havocs mogging into swords is a crime

[thorn thorn]

I like the night elf glaives

Whatever those 3 blade things are

[waxen oyster]

I just use

the magetower skin

[thorn thorn]

I was too young to play in legion so mage tower is perma unavailable

Unlucky

[waxen oyster]

Tbh i think

[dense cedar]

"too young"

[waxen oyster]

the new warglaive skin this raid

[dense cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/old-snake-metal-gear-solid-snake-time-goes-by-fast-metal-gear-solid-gif-26264117

[waxen oyster]

looks very good too

[thorn thorn]

My apologies

[gritty laurel]

wtf i leave for vacation for a week and when i come back the entire goddamn spec is bugged

what did you all do?

[waxen oyster]

Most dhs just wear some terrible rogue mog though

[thorn thorn]

People say wow is getting no new players

But im a DF baby

There is at least 1

[waxen oyster]

though i think rogue t3 works on dhs

the helm works well with the fel eyes

[thorn thorn]

I have begun this new challenge

Called I make the worst tmog possible and see if I get booted from the group before start

[waxen oyster]

I mean occasionally they make kind of sick new mogs

[dense cedar]

get the random tmog addon

[waxen oyster]

like the smolderon 2h swords

[thorn thorn]

I prefer to hand craft my nightmares

[waxen oyster]

get the blue color of the smold sword

slap sinful flame on it

[thorn thorn]

Yup

thats the stuff

[dense cedar]

my roger just purple rn

whole point of the mog

purple

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i just look like

kyveza from temu rn

with the soulbinder back mythic nerub set

and cosmetic helm

[dapper halo]

sooo... are the wacky shiv timers cause of bugs? or whats the rub?

[dense cedar]

shiv fine its kb and dm that are fucked around

[waxen oyster]

its weird how the magetower kingslayers

are one of the only properly sized daggers

in the game

why are most daggers comically large blocks

[dapper halo]

after opener, while having 4set, i want to do another kingsbane, but i only have one shiv charge for the kingsbane

am i doing something wrong or are things derpy derpy doo

[dense cedar]

dragon soul dagger quite normal

[thorn thorn]

Most are swords but downscaled

[waxen oyster]

I’d really like the red color of ghostblade

if it werent a blue handle

[dense cedar]

that's normal

shiv 30s cd

[waxen oyster]

shit looks like a jolly rancher

[dense cedar]

kb 45

[waxen oyster]

because of that

[dense cedar]

impossible to have 2

[humble verge]

oi

[waxen oyster]

Like someone explain to me

Why a blue handle

for a red dagger

Also idk why they made 2/4 of the skins a different shade of blue

[dense cedar]

niceo

[humble verge]

this looks so scuffed tho lol

[dense cedar]

bought key looking

[humble verge]

true

but like

unironically

locked so fucking hard

[dense cedar]

like a single death + needing to brez or run back would've cost that

[thorn thorn]

Rip HOA

[humble verge]

dk did die uh

[dense cedar]

meant 1 more than the 2 u had

[humble verge]

here

but like pack was half hp anyways

[dense cedar]

OH FUCK

[humble verge]

so was fine

[dense cedar]

ye

[humble verge]

i died at first pack

[dense cedar]

that could've been the moment

[thorn thorn]

[dense cedar]

failed kick or something?

[humble verge]

i think this is the uh

one of the jumpy guys

[dense cedar]

well it did surprise you

[humble verge]

lmao

this was dk

not me

idk what i died to

ah

wind up

[dense cedar]

that'd do it

was gonna say tho

inspector in first pull of flood

where do u even find the guy

[humble verge]

17 street now tho

lets see how thatll go

[dense cedar]

r u dwarf?

final boss bleed gonna tap you out through elusiv

[humble verge]

just

portal exploit

[dense cedar]

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965458290358235147/1408924298474815529/teleporting.gif

This one?

[tranquil lynx]

Did u guys got disconnected?

[half dawn]

nope

[waxen oyster]

ngl

sub just feels better in streets

[subtle crown]

!bug

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[wheat hill]

are peeps using the hybrid build in higher keys?

finding single target damage suppper low

[pliant remnant]

no

[waxen oyster]

hybrid does less st

Idk i still end bosses as bleed over 3m

seems fine

[versed mica]

Well, I was gonna come here to ask if there were any bleed build changes I could make to increase my ST dps a little bit, but now I'm seeing a pin with all these bugs and I'm not sure I wanna do keys in sin no more lmao

[dense cedar]

Why is it always hybrid people ask about

and not cleave

at least cleave was neato in s2

[waxen oyster]

Why play cleave

when you can play sub

[bitter solar]

We shutting down the server till they fix the bugs

[dense cedar]

people like to press kb i suppose

[waxen oyster]

if only kb did damage

[dense cedar]

in midnight it'll be 50% of our damage

[waxen oyster]

There is something super funny

[pliant remnant]

in midnight we'll get extra talent points and actually do boss damage in keys not copium YIPPEE

[waxen oyster]

about cold blood secret tech into double coup with an 18 stack prism

[wooden totem]

i just joined the server to see whats up with st dmg, gg, good to see im not alone 😄

[waxen oyster]

I mean our st is ok

its below good specs

but its not tank bad

[wheat hill]

ehhh maybe i gotta work on something then lol

[thorn thorn]

Dont get my hopes up like that

[dense cedar]

uf ur doing tank damage on ST its a you problem

[wheat hill]

prot just beat me in a boss

[dense cedar]

75% of our aoe cos of spatter

[waxen oyster]

I ended halkias at like

3.8

[humble verge]

well

[waxen oyster]

so its ok just not exceptional

[humble verge]

Liquid

[dense cedar]

yepp

[humble verge]

did what the Kansas City Chiefs couldnt do

[waxen oyster]

warrior?

[wheat hill]

yee

[waxen oyster]

yeah idk what thats like

[wheat hill]

theres not really much to optimize in st is there?

[waxen oyster]

Personally i feel like being a little worse in st is fine for a spec that does like 10m on aoe

with no cds

[wheat hill]

keep bleed, improved garrote and shiv during dm

[thorn thorn]

[waxen oyster]

ct on st

[wheat hill]

wait you use ct on single?

[mint urchin]

For bleed yes

[waxen oyster]

Honestly if a boss dies shortly after using dm in exe range

very easy to be top on boss

[mint urchin]

Also in m+ the second they pull adds onto boss your dmg skyrockets

And it's more then competitive

[thorn thorn]

That was quite a race

[mint urchin]

Did they just get it??

[thorn thorn]

Yep

Liquid with the full sweep

Pretty close

[slim pebble]

wiping at .01 and .03 and losing world first would keep me awake at night

[thorn thorn]

The gingiemp program was malfunctioning this tier

Unlucky

[rare jackal]

yeah what a hearbreak

[mint urchin]

The .03 would of been a kill if they didn't hold brez imo

[slim pebble]

Has anyone ever swept an expansion before

For RWF?

[slim jetty]

Hi guys,
quick Assa question:
I am not a Mythic Raider.
I have Hero Track Crit/Mastery Wrist and Waist but my Feet are Champion Track.
Should i craft my second Embellishment on Feet since it is my weakest piece in the moment. Or should i aim for the Reshii Boots from Heroic Raid and craft it still on Wrist or Waist?

[thorn thorn]

Not sure

DF wasnt

Idk about SL

[normal mist]

you should have delves belt until 710+ or something

probably higher

[pliant remnant]

according to the casters, no

[rigid fable]

any tip to use prism trinket?

[pliant remnant]

Definitely not in DF or SL

and BfA

[slim jetty]

ah ty, i will check that again. But what about the Embellishment slot? Is it duump to put it on feet on the long run?

[storm forum]

sub rogue on top of RWF kill, are we cooked and completely unplayable?

[rigid fable]

yea :/

buff ST :/

[lethal arrow]

USA USA USA

[waxen oyster]

damage amp boss

Also unless you’re top 10 boss is probably gonna get gutted.

[waxen oyster]

Our raid st is literally fine

[storm forum]

lock down the discord until we get buffs

[mint urchin]

Locking down the discord is Whispyrs dream, he'd finally be free

[waxen oyster]

Like it shouldnt be surprising a spec that does 0 in downtime and nuke in cds

performs well on a damage amp boss

with intermissions

[thorn thorn]

No

[proven willow]

yeah early though i think paragon did and method also

[thorn thorn]

Because then he would get thousands of DMs

[waxen oyster]

Its so weird to me how much people think which rogue spec people play in raid matters

especially if they only raid at a level where they’ll get CE post turboboost

[clever sparrow]

is it bad if i tag whispyr?

[normal mist]

depends

[maiden sierra]

@balmy condor

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explode-cat-meme-kitten-cat-explode-gif-13959925379531485808

[maiden sierra]

i did it for you

[clever sparrow]

cause im kinda wonder why he said in his video about fatebound that we may use [Vicious Venoms] on 4p

[normal mist]

we arent

it isnt good

[clever sparrow]

i meant vicius venoms

but when im checking like high players logs on raid bosses

[normal mist]

we do

[clever sparrow]

they all on Master assassin

[thorn thorn]

[clever sparrow]

its kidna weird to me

and [Vicious Venoms] isnt getting anybuff in 4p

[clever sparrow]

nvm they were first week logs

lol

[waxen oyster]

What are you on about

no one is playing MA

[clever sparrow]

the first week pepole was (i'm wrong in this)

but like why [Vicious Venoms]

[waxen oyster]

Does more?

[slim hamlet]

damage

[waxen oyster]

always has

[clever sparrow]

well... i've never saw my mutilate / ambush doing much in my dps 😄

i was just wondered

[waxen oyster]

We’ve been playing vv

since late s1

[clever sparrow]

20% crit can kinda deals a lot during bursts

[clever sparrow]

ive never played fatebound tbh

[normal mist]

hem

[waxen oyster]

you still played it as ds

[clever sparrow]

even last season i did whole raids with DS

[waxen oyster]

and vv

[slim hamlet]

Have we ever not played VV?

[thorn thorn]

@fallow canopy

[waxen oyster]

early s1

i think

[clever sparrow]

LOL I WAS PLAYING DS WITH MS IN RAIDS

im dumbest person here then

[gritty laurel]

if i'm not being stupid again, i'm pretty sure the new tier for FB devalues MA even more by effectively making vanish a 3m cooldown

[slim hamlet]

that makes sense to me

[gritty laurel]

but yeah, after the big mut+ambush buff in season 1 VV has been the play

[slim hamlet]

Wait no

I disagree with your name so I must disagree with your statement

[gritty laurel]

you can be wrong twice if you want, i guess

[slim hamlet]

[clever sparrow]

now i know why not using MA

[thorn thorn]

Welcome back playa

[clever sparrow]

the question was entierly dumb

[waxen oyster]

It just simmed less

its not complex

[slim hamlet]

you got even worse name, don't even start

[clever sparrow]

nah i was like crit = KB damage

[gritty laurel]

switzerland was beautiful, but my god the food was terrible

[clever sparrow]

and now i remembered we macro cb to kb

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/deal-with-it-gif-24137994

[waxen oyster]

You implying kb did damage

[clever sparrow]

so its basicly always crit

[waxen oyster]

kb did not do damage in s2

[slim hamlet]

nah CB only works on initial KB hit

[waxen oyster]

[gritty laurel]

you only ever take CB with fatebound, which makes CB only apply to envenom

[clever sparrow]

BRUH

OH

FK ME

[thorn thorn]

[clever sparrow]

im dumb

[slim hamlet]

too many new things man

I am washed

[clever sparrow]

i rather not talk anymore

[thorn thorn]

Ill put it on the record

[waxen oyster]

square up

[clever sparrow]

i was just doing rotation like an animal without knowing why im doing it

[gritty laurel]

it's literally been a full year

[thorn thorn]

I will play sin again, and no longer be a spatter hater if our apex talent makes KB giga

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-chase-ltg-running-lowtiergod-gif-2430341001542408875

[slim hamlet]

I have been playing catgirls in final fantasy for a year

Got more important things going on clearly

[slim hamlet]

thats so real

I just want KB in m+

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr is going to disappear both of us

you know that right

[waxen oyster]

Kb kind of does damage in fatebound build

[slim hamlet]

Why

[thorn thorn]

Reasons

[waxen oyster]

but thats because you dont have supercharger or darkest night

[slim hamlet]

Fatebound build in m+

[thorn thorn]

He can be the only prophet

[waxen oyster]

m+

ewww

[thorn thorn]

Fatebound in M+

fucking ewwww

[slim hamlet]

yea idc what I play in raid