assassination

[balmy condor]

ability damage is calculated off of mainhand weapon damage, so the offhand is just auto attack damage and a stat stick

but offhand daggers also happen to have the least amount of stats out of any slot in the game

(daggers in general I guess)

[vocal seal]

Big up to b-lizzard for naming the crafted daggers

• dagger
• stabber

[balmy condor]

so it's a stat stick with no stat

[cerulean bear]

Well so you suggest to craft wrist instead ?

[balmy condor]

offhand daggers are basically permanently reserved to hold embellishments these days cause they're so pointless otherwise

[balmy condor]

yeh

[floral olive]

You only want to put enough ruptures out to stack out scent of blood right? or keep going if you have a pull of 10 mobs?

[cerulean bear]

Noted thank u very much for your answers

[viscid spear]

What embellishments do you have?
Or would this be a first craft of one?

[cerulean bear]

Have a a 720 main hand with sublimation

[balmy condor]

you can put out a couple more if you'd like, but it wouldn't be for damage, it would be for the insurance that you still have max scent of blood in case something dies

[cerulean bear]

These are my 2 daggers :

[spice spire]

Just like you’re permanently reserved to hold my love and/or balls

[teal snow]

My guild crafter saved me on this one, I requested the dagger and then he told me that I were about to be with an intelect main hand xD

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goon-balloon-paint-ball-paint-ball-gif-14977994

[viscid spear]

So you have Sublimation on the 720? Do you have a second embellishment or are you looking to craft it?

[cerulean bear]

Nothing else

[vocal seal]

i took it to the chin and cried a little

[viscid spear]

I'm at work, what does Sublimation do again?

[honest iris]

Do you use nether prism at 18 stacks only or macro it with death mark?

[cerulean bear]

Bring secondary stats up to 10 stacks

[viscid spear]

What are we talking about?

[vocal seal]

crafting the dagger instead of the stabber @viscid spear

[spice surge]

On a target dummy that would be at full health all the time it doesnt matter that much, its only really vanish but its minor. In practice against real bosses or dungeons we have things like big pulls, execute and damage amps that often favour having it maxed at 18

[serene mason]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[serene mason]

whats the name of LE here?

[balmy condor]

lisonna

[stuck berry]

I have a question: Do I always wait to use Envenom until the target has 10 stacks of Agonizing Poison, when the Envenom buff is about to expire should I try to maintain 2 stacks of Envenom for higher uptime, or is it better to just use Envenom whenever I have enough energy/combo points?

when i'm low energy

[main bridge]

envenom all the time

the idea is to keep using finishers so you can get back into Darknest Night

[lilac moon]

guys in m+ with bleed build why my single target damage is ass?

[balmy condor]

because the bleed build doesn't have good single target

[earnest remnant]

cuz u playing ass'a

[red schooner]

because you're not playing sub (real answer, its weak ST)

Stealthi got in there first but I felt bad not giving an actual answer

[lilac moon]

Sadge

[bleak plume]

why is deathstalker tier set such hot garbage compared to fatebound

im pretty sure i did more dps in m+ with old 4pc

[balmy condor]

it's not that bad

definitely an upgrade

[bleak plume]

dungeon slice was 6.3m vs 5.8m sim

[stuck berry]

because blizz don't want to admit fatebound is a trash hero talent and try to force people to use it, LUL

[bleak plume]

thats considering like 670-680ilvl pieces vs 704

[idle roost]

humm guys is coldblood trigering on kings bane?

[golden loom]

no

[balmy condor]

the new tier does not lose you 500k

link the sims

[idle roost]

life is pain

so rotations on guides are wrong lol

[golden loom]

this is why you run cold blood on fatebound, you macro it to KB

[balmy condor]

they're correct

[main bridge]

probably more of an error in intepretation

[bleak plume]

no the new tier gains me 500k

[red schooner]

you macro them together

[bleak plume]

but its also with ilvl upgrade

[balmy condor]

yeah okay

so whats the issue

you gained nearly 10%

[bleak plume]

so im pretty sure the ilvl increase is accounting for most of the damage gain lol

compared to fatebound where 4pc is 20-25% dmg boost

[balmy condor]

I'm pretty sure it isn't

[bleak plume]

in st

[balmy condor]

well yes

the 2 pc on fatebound is very strong in st

[solid talon]

Tanks that don’t let you restealth >

[balmy condor]

fb 2pc is pretty overtuned

[loud monolith]

I didn't see anything in the guides about using the 4pc bonus for deathstalker, but does it make sense to use Shiv with 1 stack remaining and 6 combo points, followed by an envenom, to instantly reset to 3 stacks? or is it better to hold shivs for deathmarks

Seems like it is good for a quick ST burst but not sure if it's worth the cost of potentially missing a double shiv when deathmark is back up

[balmy condor]

what if I told you

you could do both

by simply doing that during a deathmark

[loud monolith]

So basically just if I do it make sure I do it so that it will be back up for deathmark... got it

[balmy condor]

yeh, you just do the same thing as before

[viscid spear]

Ouch

[ancient rain]

I guess there won't be any difference if I Shiv, Vanish, Deathmark, Kingsbane right? cuz then I could macro my prism to vanish and forget about it

[golden loom]

totally fine

[copper matrix]

what's the tech with vanish in fatebound st build? i understand it's for the coins or something, but i cant find the interaction?

[copper matrix]

oh thx

[keen spruce]

Did they really just copy paste orc face for that icon

[zenith prairie]

Wc3 icon

[fallow canopy]

2004 recycling

[royal lantern]

that icon is re-used for multiple things

[marsh fjord]

Do you really think wanna work on rogue for more then 5 minutes 💀💀💀

[drifting cedar]

is there a way to sim these entropy fingers?

[undone stag]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hrmWNXnctG34vfZj?fight=79&type=casts&view=timeline&source=1150
hey guys can someone tell me if im doing something wrong ?

[lethal arrow]

Shiv before deathmark

[royal lantern]

mate

do you know how many icons are re-used

[lethal arrow]

Otherwise looks fine

[royal lantern]

are you guys malding over frking talent icons now

[zenith prairie]

That’s a great icon

[royal lantern]

[undone stag]

so im doing everything ok ?

[zenith prairie]

wtf

[undone stag]

just need to swap shiv with DM GCD ?

[scarlet wyvern]

in M+ when do we use Netherprism? On CD always or at DM cd?

[lethal arrow]

U shiv before deathmark

[cunning basin]

Quick question: anyone know of the caustic spatter bug on manifestations has been fixed on forgeweaver or is that still a thing?

If*

[undone stag]

need to DM 1st then shiv y ?

[uneven marsh]

The other way around

[thick comet]

Hey, sorry for the question, see everyone playing bleed build with subterfuge, what exactly do u do during subturfuge? Do you just do ur normal rotation of applying bleeds and using your spenders/builders etc or is there a different rotation while subterfuge is active?

[uneven marsh]

Shiv>DM>KB with 2p

[lethal arrow]

Shiv before DM and then shiv the last 8 seconds of DM

[woven trout]

recommend 2d craft

[lethal arrow]

U shivved after dm fell off

[leaden epoch]

do we always use evenom with full combo points or 4+?

[undone stag]

oh nice

[lethal arrow]

Otherwise ur parse was prob impacted by just kill time and outside of CDs or something

[uneven marsh]

5+ or max cp with DN

[lethal arrow]

5+

7 on darkest night

[vocal seal]

depending on pack size,

if its big, spread all your bleeds make sure to have 4-5 ruptures running
then go into normal rotation

[leaden epoch]

and hold 2 stacks or is 1 fine too?

[lethal arrow]

dump envenoms as u get them

[leaden epoch]

and for st just hold buffs up

rapture garrote

all the time

[lethal arrow]

dont let bleeds fall off

envenom on cd

[leaden epoch]

ok

[lethal arrow]

and burst when kb/dm are up etc etc

[leaden epoch]

cuz i often starve energy

[lethal arrow]

that is normal

[leaden epoch]

ooh

but if i have like 60 energy back

i just spend

'or wait

[tacit nest]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[lethal arrow]

if ur in a fight with adds

[leaden epoch]

till almost full

[lethal arrow]

just rupture snipe for bonus energy

[leaden epoch]

but full ST

[lethal arrow]

full ST u just constantly send

[frozen iris]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[lethal arrow]

the only real min max is to hold energy a little before kingsbane

and even that is miniscule

[leaden epoch]

so ST is not that hard

i guess

[marsh fjord]

I mald over everything

[lethal arrow]

not on paper no

[uneven marsh]

Yeah only pool energy if <150 energy a few sec before kb

[lethal arrow]

it gets hard if u have to start considering moving timers

[uneven marsh]

Outside DM

[leaden epoch]

moving timers?

[royal lantern]

i mold

[split python]

is there a macro to target the guy with deathstalkers mark, im having trouble finding him again sometimes in big pulls

[gilded oasis]

what do you use for nameplates

[split python]

idk deafult

[vocal seal]

holy

get Plater or Elvui then

u can find some good nameplates online and customise them

[vocal cradle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[runic hinge]

im just happy msbt still chugging

I might even change back to comic sans

[dense herald]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ripe canyon]

What do you guys think?
Which Spec suits best for M+ and Raid?
Still haven't crafted a Weapon, because i cant decide... xD

[snow kindle]

Whats the reason why first GCD is Garrote over Ambush as FB

Does Ambush give less CP than a mutilate

[marsh fjord]

Because you ambush on DS for the mark. and you dont have to do that with FB

[snow kindle]

i understand that but doesnt ambush give more CP than a mutilate

[marsh fjord]

But it litteraly does not matter how you open btw. you just want your bleeds out as fast as possible.

[shy axle]

when does a ring usually sim more than jastors? full hero track seems to not be enough

[static glacier]

it's finished

[marsh fjord]

on no crit it gives 1 more CP yes

[static glacier]

finally

after hours

[snow kindle]

so then wouldnt it be better to just open with ambush and garrote after

[split python]

cant u just craft a dagger and play it offhand if u wanna go outlaw?

[marsh fjord]

I think it's because it doesnt matter. but good qeustion. idk

[static glacier]

Here's my personal feedback on rogue in TWW; I hope you guys will begin a discussion about this and blizzard uses our sentiments to inform their choices for rogue in midnight. https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/rogues-in-tww-engineered-frustration/585745 I go over all specs in varying detail.

[snow kindle]

it probably doesnt matter, but i just hate when you have to double mut when you get unlucky lol

[marsh fjord]

you can ask whispyr

he can answer

[mortal elm]

IK the wowhead opener says to shiv when the first one falls of. But some top logs are leaving like 12-13 sec between shivs so i assume having it for the last 8 sec of KB instead of DM? Which onme is the correct opener?

[marsh fjord]

for fatebound?

[mortal elm]

yes

for example this is the r1 log for loom

[marsh fjord]

in your DM window. you just shiv after the first shiv ended.

if someone else did it different

he didnt play correctly.

[balmy condor]

turns out you can make mistakes and still rank 1 cause of rng

[marsh fjord]

Yup

I wonder how much uptime he has on heads coin

[mortal elm]

ok just wanted to make sure as they had r1 on soul and did the same XD

[red schooner]

Lilly obtained, farewell ecodome

[marsh fjord]

But. basically. you just want to prolong your shivs. and if your doing that then your playing properly. and then rng jesus needs to bless you

also kill times matter a lot

[marsh fjord]

for me if my guild slacks on execute. i parse higher

[rotund oasis]

what are people playing in streets? bleed build feels kinda painful in single target

[marsh fjord]

just bleed

[marsh fjord]

Last week on the 3th boss i parsed orange. this week i parsed green. because spatter couldnt do the job it could do last week.

went from 800 mill spatter to 300 mill spatter

its super dependant

[golden loom]

well jastors is also being buggy atm so it simming higher might not matter on some fights

where it just doesnt work

[shy axle]

whats buggy about it?

[coral ibex]

it just doesn't proc

[golden loom]

(from my own logs)
Mythic Plexus: 92% uptime / Heroic Plexus: Literally 0% uptime
Heroic Fractillus: 99.76% uptime / Normal Fractillus: Again literally 0% uptime
Heroic Loom'ithar 77% (seems low?) and last weeks loomithar was 0% uptime

[loud monolith]

just did a quick +9 to practice and found myself barely keeping up with people at a lower ilvl than me, i must be doing something seriously wrong... anyone have a sec to take a look and give input? One thing is that it seemed hard to keep caustic splatter up in this one because trash was dying so fast https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aNczA6LVFymn4xv8?fight=last&type=summary

[balmy condor]

this is insane

[haughty flicker]

uh

[golden loom]

I might know why getting to spatter was hard

[balmy condor]

not only are these not 5cp ruptures, you're delaying crimson tempest

[haughty flicker]

thats some gaming right there

[coral ibex]

bro loves rupture

[golden loom]

[loud monolith]

lol this is the feedback i need thanks guys

[balmy condor]

you should only realistically be casting 2-3, MAX 4 ruptures on a giga pull

and you never cast a finisher with less than 5 cp

so the way this should pan out

[loud monolith]

Ah okay. I was focusing on getting as many ruptures up as possible on giga pulls

[balmy condor]

is you ambush garrote, rupture twice, then garrote garrote into your crimson tempest

[haughty flicker]

look at the damage man

[balmy condor]

also casting shivs this close together is simply wasting time

it doesn't pandemic

so you have 4pc, a full 11 second shiv

and you cast the second after only 6 seconds

you wasted half of that shiv

[velvet pier]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[loud monolith]

basically regardless of pack size?

[balmy condor]

on the very next pull, this is arguably even more unhinged

[marsh fjord]

[gilded oasis]

no he's keeping the iron wire running

[balmy condor]

why are we just munching like 40 combo points

[balmy condor]

yes

[marsh fjord]

THAT PICTURE IS HELLA CURSED HOLY

[loud monolith]

Lol im cracking up guys

[lyric heron]

Unraveling the ironwire down the length of the dungeon

[balmy condor]

and these issues are basically present on every pull fwiw

[latent cypress]

Zdps support rogue

[balmy condor]

this is arguably the best one I've seen

but we're still overcapping a million combo points for absolutely no reason

[gilded oasis]

sometimes you just gotta iron wire man scratch that itch

[loud monolith]

I need to add a weakaura sound for when i'm at 5 combo points. I clearly have trouble tracking when I hit 5

[balmy condor]

and then immediately after that you're just sacking your shiv again

[golden loom]

I regret to inform you he is not running ironwire

[marsh fjord]

i made my own combo point tracker where it turns red when i can use a finish

[gilded oasis]

This could definitely be helpful for learning, sounds are very nice. There are also some CP WAs that will change color

[loud monolith]

Yeah mine does currently but i'm so overstimulated by everything I lose focus of it

[gilded oasis]

I cant count so I have an actual number of CPs displayed on my screen

[gilded oasis]

oh shi-

[marsh fjord]

yeah you just gotta have more expierence i geuss

[loud monolith]

I just started playing rogue with 11.2 after playing prot paladin for 10 years so im still learning 😄

[balmy condor]

also I'm not sure what the context is but if you're going to vanish it's to spread bleeds generall, which you...... kind of do, I guess

except 30 seconds later you're vanishing again

and that just can't be correct

[gilded oasis]

then a sound would probably be really good probably

[loud monolith]

this was cause a chain pull i believe where i didn't get to restealth and there was a new pack pulled

[lyric heron]

Bleeding peeping Tom

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean on some of them you can vanish

but if it's not a huge pack then just bleed them manually and hold vanish for something better

[frozen iris]

why do we shiv before deathmark with fatebound?

[balmy condor]

you can use the energy from the last pack to push you into the next

[frozen iris]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[balmy condor]

buffing the coins

anyways, the next gripe I got, I ain't done with you

why are we pressing our 2min cd for the first time

[lyric heron]

Rush oh Raggy

[scarlet wyvern]

in M+ when do we use Netherprism? On CD always or at DM cd?

[balmy condor]

3:30 minutes in

[balmy condor]

dm

[scarlet wyvern]

i see so hold it till DM

ty

[balmy condor]

gives agi on use

so just raw dogging it would be pretty pointless

[loud monolith]

Yeah I know that one was a huge mistake, i missed using it on the first sea monster so i held it for the second sea monster

[balmy condor]

not only the second sea monster

you spent the dungeon holding deathmark for the next dungeon

that's 8 deathmarks in 24 minutes

you managed to turn your 2min cd into a 3min cd

[loud monolith]

so that's something i'm not used to doing at all in general since ive never played a 2min class, should just blow it basically always then? I always feel like i need to be holding it for something important. But clearly that next important thing is the next dungeon

[balmy condor]

like a magic trick

yes

[elder goblet]

how does Incorporeal warpclaw + improlvised seaforium pacemaker sim more than netherprism + improvised seaforium pacemaker

does it netherprism not sim properly or something

[balmy condor]

with this bleed build we're playing now you don't even need to really care about your deathmark all that much

you just throw it out onto the biggest fucker you see and it just does the work

[loud monolith]

i'm so obsessed with making sure i get the full use out of it i just dont use it at all. Use it always then, got it

[balmy condor]

good trinket yep

[gilded oasis]

50% use is better than -100% use

probably

somtimes

[balmy condor]

yeh

[real pike]

should we use it in packs for the DP spatter or just send it on solo big bois?

[elder goblet]

?

[balmy condor]

dp spatter is so meaningless

[vocal seal]

are we pressing Crimson Tempest on St ?

[balmy condor]

with a bleed build yeah

[balmy condor]

?

you asked why good trinket sim good

it's good

idk

[vocal seal]

in execute or just always ?

[elder goblet]

no, I asked if netherprism doesnt sim properly, you said "good trink yep" ??

[balmy condor]

always

[vocal seal]

ight tysm !!

[real pike]

@verselle :>

[loud monolith]

So along that logic then, i shouldnt worry so much if splatter isn't optimal. Casting tempest early is more important

[golden loom]

now I started looking at my own m+ logs, so when going into a pack with darkest night and combo points already this is what I usally do, ambush for mark and then just not consume DN right away, it feels way better but idk if its correct

[balmy condor]

you asked how a trinket combo sims better than another trinket combo and I said good trinket, netherprism is simming fine

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

this is correct, spatter into DN then CT

[golden loom]

alright perfect

[loud monolith]

awesome, thanks so much Whispyr, very appreciating of all your work and this thorough roasting, definitely needed it.
I'll work on not overcapping combo, using big CDs asap, not overlapping shivs, and stop focusing on trying to garrote 30 mobs

[balmy condor]

for what it's worth when you got to a boss it looks a lot better

should maintain crimson tempest even in single target

[loud monolith]

Yeah i have no trouble with my ST rotation usually, and my raid logs as fatebound are generally great. It's as soon as I hit AOE I have a problem

[loud monolith]

i have never done that so that's another problem

[balmy condor]

but just glancing at some of the bosses I can't really complain about anything

[frail leaf]

I had a 19 stack fatebound tails, what's the record here?

[real pike]

when doing this with DN already up do we get both benefits of the applied DsM and DN proc

[balmy condor]

this guy in my disc got 35

[golden loom]

my highest this tier is 30 in execute cds with prism on fract

[gilded oasis]

jeeze

[vocal seal]

what the fuck

[onyx stone]

!macros

[golden loom]

just flip some coins

[runic hinge]

I love this

[unreal finch]

Hey peeps, maining my assassination rogue for the first time since ICC, struggling to get my rhythm right. Anyone got a TLDR?

[gilded oasis]

Whispyrs got a 5 hour video is that tldr?

[main bridge]

Apply bleeds get money

[elfin fossil]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[zealous trout]

apply bleeds
envenom into caustic splatter
thats like 80% of the rotation

[royal lantern]

anticipation comback when?

[gilded oasis]

dude I keep swapping back to retail and forgetting I dont have that

[golden loom]

this looks very funny

[gilded oasis]

and I keep trying to smoke bomb and im sad when it doesnt work

[ripe canyon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[unreal finch]

Oh thank god the video isn't really 5hrs

[balmy condor]

only 3.5

not that bad

:)

[gilded oasis]

ive made it 20 mins

on 2 speed

[real pike]

I watched the first 20 mins and I obviously know all of the intro and basic stuff already but I still enjoyed it cause Whispyr is just so gawd damn engaging

[faint tapir]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[feral basin]

Which slot don't we want tier in, if we have 5pcs?

[real pike]

whatever the sim says to use something else in

[coral ibex]

whatever sims best

[golden loom]

whatever extra piece you have that sims better if it does

[coral ibex]

top gear answers this question

https://tenor.com/view/top-gear-the-grand-tour-gif-24931916

[balmy condor]

you know when I started doing youtube I didn't think my community would push my niche into long-form podcast style conversational videos

[torpid sparrow]

is fatebound simming 700k over my deathstalker normal or did i miss something?

[balmy condor]

yeah that sounds about right

[torpid sparrow]

that seems so big of a dif

[balmy condor]

it is indeed

[royal lantern]

they giga buffed FB, so that it finally can see some play at all

[balmy condor]

fatebound is almost 15% ahead in single target

[golden loom]

gotta say fatebound + netherprism is insanely fun in raid

[brave stump]

im an outlaw player, why is fatebound tierset buggy, it f's my little brain when it misaligns because of double dip my dm with trinket

i have cd i press cd

[golden loom]

in general I always liked the feel of fateboud (coin sounds, 5 combo point mutilate potential) but capstone rng made me want to blow up

[rotund marsh]

ngl, i really like how it has a niche now, but i kind of hate how shit one spec is for the other form of content

either shit single target good aoe or vise versa

[real pike]

it suits you though, good blend of entertaining and informative

[brave stump]

god bless whispyr is such a yapper

i love his content

[rotund marsh]

is this the first time fatebound is actually good somewhere though?

[coral ibex]

it was "playable" in ST season 1

[royal lantern]

yes

like, thats why they did that giga buff

otherwhise FB would have ended the expansion with literally a 0% playrate lmao

[rotund marsh]

thats good i guess, how exactly could they give it good aoe?

[royal lantern]

remove the frking self nerf nodes

[coral ibex]

like you could play fb and high roll your coin luck on sikran in nerubar palace

[golden loom]

kyveza sikran it was playable but not worth the headache cause DS was within like 2%?

[coral ibex]

but why would you do that

when DS wasn't RNG and basically equal

[rotund marsh]

self nerf?

not remembering what those were

[coral ibex]

it does 30% reduced damage when adds are around

thank you kanye very cool

[royal lantern]

delivered doom/fate interwined

[rotund marsh]

the coins?

[coral ibex]

yes

[royal lantern]

and deal fate kinda aswell

[rotund marsh]

thats kind of dumb

[royal lantern]

cus that node turns more and and more ussules if you add more targets

[real pike]

Deathstalker is just so much more engaging though like FB is basically completely passive except for one small opener change

[royal lantern]

i mean

fuck fatebound

[real pike]

but DS can be frustrating when you lose mark

[royal lantern]

cringe coinflipping

lmao

[real pike]

real and true

[royal lantern]

who tf thought coinflipping is cool

[rotund marsh]

could make this do both effects all the time

[real pike]

other classes are harnessing otherworldly powers and hitting bosses with the fucking sun

and we're flipping coins

[sand aurora]

can someone pls send me their sim so i can compare

[lethal arrow]

how about it instead of flipping a coin

[sand aurora]

5 min 1 boss pref

[golden loom]

being a cosmicly good gambler to kill the universe goes kinda hard tho

[lethal arrow]

it flips a sick trick on a skateboard

thoughts?

[coral ibex]

yall dont play with the high roller title and it shows

[real pike]

damn like a kickflip

[rotund marsh]

that would be sick brah 🔥

[real pike]

that would go crazy

[lethal arrow]

insane dmg boost no?

[golden loom]

Skatebound

[lethal arrow]

way cooler

[real pike]

we'd be like angel summoner and BMX bandit

lil UK reference for the boys there

[royal lantern]

radical

[shy axle]

how do you play in this situation: DS 4 set, you have Dn active and shiv off cd. Do you 1. use shiv and do not care about the -1 stack that you waste or do you 2. dn without shiv and shiv after?

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-kickflip-tobey-bird-kieran-culkin-saturday-night-live-doing-tricks-gif-23826420

[lethal arrow]

just do the dry shiv

[royal lantern]

thats the rogue herotalent we need

[coral ibex]

no i think its definitely better to cycle your mark with shiv

consume your last stack with shiv

[lethal arrow]

if u wanted to be super smart about it use the dry shiv to get into darkest night

[coral ibex]

then dry shiv on the DN

[lethal arrow]

but otherwise fk it just send it if u fked up

who cares

[golden loom]

yeah you gotta have some foresight if you wanna minmax

[lethal arrow]

its at best a sub 1% minmax

[coral ibex]

also has anyone noticed if you ambush for mark while you have DN and then shiv, it consumes a stack

so you have DN and 2/3 dsm mark

[lethal arrow]

but yeah use your own foresight to see that u have a darkest night coming up in your dry shiv window

and just play it properly

[last skiff]

prism pull into 3min ?

[royal lantern]

yes

macro with vanish for FB

[last skiff]

AHH

[gleaming geyser]

fatebound 4pc yes, deathstalker with DM

[royal lantern]

and DM with deathstalker

[golden loom]

but if theres like hectic aoe and you lose track or something just send shiv envenom cause thats big dam in aoe

[coral ibex]

wait

wrong reply sorry

[last skiff]

smart

[coral ibex]

i think this can be tech

or at least a dps gain

[golden loom]

vanish ambush so you can dry shiv and not waste a mark stack when you fucked up

[lethal arrow]

well youd only be doing it in dry shiv

[golden loom]

cause vanish is useless anyways

[lethal arrow]

dont waste shivs

[last skiff]

you dont wait 3 minute with deathstalker?

[lethal arrow]

youre saving shivs for KB and DM

[dim sphinx]

how did i just have a 31sec cd kb on pull?

[lethal arrow]

using random shivs for a darkest night is not a gain

[half dawn]

how accurate is wowanalyzer these adys?

[coral ibex]

4p bug

[half dawn]

days

worth using or?

[lethal arrow]

not very

[balmy condor]

no

[lethal arrow]

wowanalyzer still thinks echoing reprimand is in the game

just post logs in here for a review

[golden loom]

it is

[fallow canopy]

it just has a wig and dresses differently

[golden loom]

massive talent

[half dawn]

i thought the rule was we only link 99% logs with 1m30s killtime and perfect comp

[hard fractal]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[gleaming geyser]

Deathstalker is still a 2min class, you dont have deathmark back for prism at 3min

[royal lantern]

you know what i love about ER

they reworked the visual for it, even made that a part of the patchnotes

and then like 1month later removed it

[last skiff]

Yeah I figured out thanks

[golden loom]

the blue sword icon was pretty tho

W update

[royal lantern]

sword = Outlaw = cringe

[half dawn]

idk

i liked ER

ER > DSM

[iron lynx]

Is there any resources to read up on best use cases for netherprism?

[balmy condor]

macro to deathmark, or use every 3 min on fatebound for giga min max

if there's a damage amp in the fight, hold for that unless you'll overcap

[iron lynx]

Sounds good, thanks

Wasn’t sure if holding till it stacked outweighed using every DM, good to know

[vocal seal]

whens a good idea to change off the crit belt ? ( D.I.S.C )

[golden loom]

well I have a myth track belt that when fully upgraded sims 0.4% better

[vocal seal]

[fallow canopy]

[clever sparrow]

how to play forgeweaver boss fight? as sin rogue

its like i cant aoe on raid bosses

should i go Fate bound?

[vocal seal]

huge upgrade

[golden loom]

it is +10k stamina though which is nice

[vocal seal]

kinda crazy to me that they put items like that in

like the ring from sirens isle not so long ago

[frozen iris]

just doublechecking. But theres no real reason to track fatebound coins in my own weakauras right?

[lunar pond]

high score

[golden loom]

not any practical use but fun to track gambling

[lunar pond]

trade in your bonus coins at the kiosk outside the raid

[vocal seal]

is this real chat ?

[sand jewel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lunar pond]

secret ravenholdt decoder ring

[leaden epoch]

is unyielding netherprism trink so good for us y?

[rotund marsh]

big burst on DM window

[leaden epoch]

so stack and then DM with it

[rotund marsh]

and a bit of passive damage in between

[leaden epoch]

so its reall good right

[shy creek]

50k agility tends big dps

[rotund marsh]

yep bind it into dm via a macro

[rotund marsh]

yep

[shy creek]

also cuz you'll have it in execute on most bosses in heroic

and on mythic its nice for burst phase timers

[rotund marsh]

its flexible too but tbh you just always use it with dm

unless the boss is almost dead and dm isnt up id just pop it

[shy creek]

not true

in fatebound u use it on 3 min mark

in deathstalker u use off cd

[rotund marsh]

you can use it on a 3 min mark, says you can just bind it into dm

[fresh kelp]

Bind to vanish and shiv vanish dm is nice

[shy creek]

^

[rotund marsh]

you macro it to vanish?

[haughty flicker]

You can

Since both are treated as 3m

[rotund marsh]

hmm

[fresh kelp]

Your vanish windows are also bigger than your regular dm windows

So is nice

[gleaming geyser]

just tunnel the boss / echo either Fatebound or Deathstalker. If you play Deathstalker, save a vanish because pylons fucks with your mark.

[rotund marsh]

the harder the content, the better i can see that being

[leaden epoch]

so always use it on DM no matter how much stacks?

[rotund marsh]

since the bosses will be alive for a long time

[rotund marsh]

if you are macroing it to that, then yeah

the stacks arent variable, every 10 seconds you will get one

[haughty flicker]

I mean you're never using it outside of deathmark

Like maybe you just send it at the end of a fight for funsies

[rotund marsh]

yeah its a waste to not use during your burst

[leaden epoch]

but i never do 2 use trinks right

[frozen iris]

Ive seen quite a few diff ideas around the opener for fatebound. Is the opener rotation for fatebound not optimal on wowhead? yeseterday i think i saw someone say to kb before dm with fatebound

[leaden epoch]

cuzx i got lilly too

[rotund marsh]

yep thats the only time, bit more damage when the boss it at like 5% or whatever

prism is a pretty cool trinket, the flexability is neat

[leaden epoch]

do i use 2 on use trinkets

or swap lilly for equip trink?

[rotund marsh]

no

you cant use 2, 20 second timer if you pop one

so you could never have two use trinkets for one burst window

[leaden epoch]

so i replace lilly

[coral ibex]

i dont think you cast kb before dm

[ancient rain]

what's the point of having 1:30 cds if every mechanic ever comes every 1:30 mins right when my cds come

[coral ibex]

that sounds wrong

[frozen iris]

Thats what i thought.

[coral ibex]

why would you want kb ticking without the DM effect

you do shiv before dm tho

shiv DM kb

[rotund marsh]

yeah kb after dm for sure, kb damage is disgusting because of dm

[shy creek]

well tbf kb doesnt get dupliated by dm so it doesnt rlly matter cuz it'll stack to 50 p fast anyway

[coral ibex]

yea but all your poisons aren't duplicated in that first second

so

its still a loss

you arent ramping as quickly

[shy creek]

yea its optimal to do dm kb

[rotund marsh]

you ramp up kb like 2x faster right?

in dm i mean

[shy creek]

yea

[coral ibex]

yea DM doubles all your poisons

[rotund marsh]

imagine if it was duped lmao

[balmy condor]

yeh

[coral ibex]

if dm doubled kb we'd be kb spec again

[shy creek]

still thin kits cringe that kb doesnt get doubled

like lmfao

[coral ibex]

you dont want to be kb: the spec

[long hawk]

May be a dumb question, but the 4pc triggers everytime you get fateful ending right? So my cds could get reduced every 7 same coin tosses, not just reducing my cds for the rest of the fight if I get it once?

[rotund marsh]

yeah one cd being your entire damage isnt great

[shy creek]

lethal versus Lethal diff

ggs

[balmy condor]

sure, KB could get doubled, just nerf kb by 50%

[spice surge]

Thats sub already, rogue doesnt need a second one

[coral ibex]

dont look at a log

[shy creek]

i unironically think that would be a good clarity change LOL

[coral ibex]

you might see envenom as 45% of your damage

[rotund marsh]

this would just make our out of dm damage even worse lol

[spice surge]

But ye fatebound is a lot of it like that too

[balmy condor]

[rotund marsh]

make DM a 1:30 and kb a 45 second and you have yourself a deal

[coral ibex]

actually this breakdown looks good imo

[shy creek]

on another note, is anybody finding a ring that sims higher than jastor diamond mythic

[coral ibex]

i like it

[shy creek]

idt any hero ones do it so far

[coral ibex]

logic gate omega

on mythic

[kind flint]

Whats the best way to use prism in m+ bleed build

is it just before u pop ur last stack of DSM and macro it with DM

[shy creek]

persobnally ij ust use it whenever its a big pack and im not holding too long

[gleaming geyser]

I think it had to be a myth track halls of atonnement ring for me, the high mast low haste one

[shy creek]

yea this thing is getting outsimmed

[coral ibex]

yea that one is a 45k dps loss to equip for me

[hollow fulcrum]

do i send a 720 bracer craft or do i craft a 704 trinket or just save gilded crests

[crisp venture]

u do not craft a trinket

lol

[shy creek]

it won't be a trinket craft

but it might be bracver

[crisp venture]

ull save crests in a key

wrf

why waste a spark

[coral ibex]

bruh just go farm 7-10 keys for hero track trinkets

[shy creek]

i'd suggest farming out more gear and getting to 701 before u worry about it, then simming once ur gear is a bit more locked in

[coral ibex]

dont waste a spark on that

[hollow fulcrum]

ive ran like 20 keys and havent gotten a trinket

[shy creek]

run 20 more

gl

[coral ibex]

run more

[hollow fulcrum]

bet

[tawny geyser]

I did 40 Aldani's...

[coral ibex]

do more

[hollow fulcrum]

wild

[coral ibex]

i ran grim butthole 100 times

for my skardyn's grace

[rotund marsh]

is heroic hard? still havent attempted

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[tawny geyser]

Yeah Grim was really grim

[shy creek]

im bis after 10 keys gl everybody

[tawny geyser]

had 55 attempts on it and got it at 56

[wanton spear]

i got myth track lilly from vault, safe to assume thats my on use for the season lol

[gleaming geyser]

I got hero lily on my first eco-dome, then got hero netherprism first fractilus 😎

[shy creek]

my only upgrrades left

and its just hero gloves cuz i dont have LOL

[hollow fulcrum]

what dungeons should i run for trinkets

[hazy horizon]

now mastery > crit ?

[hollow fulcrum]

eco, ara kara, priory?

[tawny geyser]

do you sim droptimzier with dungeon slice or ST?

[coral ibex]

eco dome, priory, flood, ara kara

[shy creek]

im optimizing for raid rn

[hollow fulcrum]

oh shit i forgor about floodgate

[shy creek]

so im running st

[coral ibex]

i think eco dome and flood are your best ROI

because lily can be used for fatebound

[frozen iris]

I have been messing with spell queue lately but it doesnt seem to help. Im noticing that sometimes i will over cap on combopoints even though im pressing a spender.

[coral ibex]

you need a 90s trinket for fatebound

[shy creek]

ill optimize for M+ after dimensius probably

[gleaming geyser]

dawnbreaker isnt terrible either, has devout ring + crystal which isnt terrible

[coral ibex]

getting a 2m trinket is troll this season unless you get one of each

[hollow fulcrum]

im guessing pacemaker lilly is like dungeon bis

sorta

[frozen iris]

Latency is around 30 -40 ms and spell queue has been tested between 250- 400

[coral ibex]

actually if you only m+ priory signet prob better than lily

since you will be only deathstalker

never fatebound

[hollow fulcrum]

well i raid but nothing ever fucking drops

[coral ibex]

then lily for sure

[hollow fulcrum]

ight

[coral ibex]

need that 90s cd

[vocal seal]

yup this is true Signet sims 0.5% higher than Lily

[gleaming geyser]

if you want guaranteed mastery during DM though priory is harder to balance stats around

[coral ibex]

flood is stonks, it has a good helmet drop too

[fallow canopy]

I've dropped the boots like 7 times

[balmy condor]

it was hard last week but the extra like 10 ilvl people got since the patch dropped made it silly

[coral ibex]

yea heroic this week was hilarious

felt like how normal was last week

[wanton spear]

blizz design team deciding to make antenna bis for every dps just about and have it a raid drop was just troll

[gleaming geyser]

40% raidwide avg DPS since last week is fine

🙂

[shy creek]

dimensius p1 heal check was insane last week LOL

[coral ibex]

i also felt a lot more useful with 4p since i could send CD's more often

[shy creek]

fatebound on dimensius saved my life

[coral ibex]

this raid feels designed for 90s specs

hardcore

[gusty marten]

is there any breakpoint for bleeds vs caustic spam after the 5 target agility buff?

[shy creek]

Bleeds continue to scale p well with ruptures and garrotes up to 8 targets

So I'd recommend slapping one more out there

In ID

^ Bleed build specific advice

[gusty marten]

im on +11/+12 right now, its sometimes hard to judge id a pull survies the full duration

[shy creek]

Yeah realistically thats just a low key problem

Everything sorta falls over at that key level

You get used to making the judgement call as you play more

[balmy condor]

if scent is maxed, caustic
if scent no maxed, no caustic

[coral ibex]

you should keep bleeds out on all targets bc of sudden demise procs

[balmy condor]

what

no

[coral ibex]

not a demisemaxxer?

[gusty marten]

that sounds more like +4 keys ^^

[balmy condor]

spread improved garrotes on everything, ruptures for scent

[hollow fulcrum]

ive timed an 11 eco and am not getting accepted to 7-9s

wtf

[balmy condor]

then caustic + ct

it's very straight forward

[coral ibex]

i thought this was about when packs are dying

[frozen iris]

Whispyr do you tab target when putting out bleeds with IC in a big m+ pull?

[coral ibex]

mb

[balmy condor]

I can't be fucked

[wanton spear]

i have timed 11's and a 12 but even when iget accepted as soon as they see no 4pc they kick me lol

[frozen iris]

Noted

[coral ibex]

no 4p on week 2?

what have you been up to

[main bridge]

That’s why pugging is stupid. You’re just carrying losers

[coral ibex]

i guess no raid loot

[wanton spear]

zero tier from raids : /

[coral ibex]

nothing in the vault either?

[hollow fulcrum]

bruh u just got accepted to a 7 and then got kicked

tf is going on

[wanton spear]

vault was mythic lilly, so no choice on any tier really lol

[vocal seal]

i'm still rocking 2p aswell from 2 raidclears on 2 chars i got 2 transmog pieces and a grand total of 0 SET ITEMS

[hollow fulcrum]

yea i got a total of 1 piece from 2 weeks of normal and heroic raid

just got lucky in vault

[shy creek]

sometime u win sometime u lose

[wanton spear]

i think its just a stupid design to make it so you have to win tier in order to get 4pc on week 2

[hollow fulcrum]

i also havent gotten a single piece of gear from my last 10 dungeon runs

and the pieces i got before that were 3 chest pieces

[wanton spear]

i did lfr this week, and was the only person on my tier token in the raid, and none dropped lol

[terse kindle]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[coral ibex]

yea my guild has spent every omnitoken on zenith tier so far

i think i got one of the only token drops from normal mode

[wanton spear]

makes so much sense that the only token with 4 classes on it drops the least lol

[vocal seal]

yurrp

atleast we dont have titanforging anymore emmaright

[wanton spear]

Man exile and perfecto look so thrilled to be forced into subt on prog lol.

[hollow whale]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[fresh ridge]

is it normal to be completley energy starved in m+ ST?

feels like my ST is so fcking ass

[latent cypress]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[woven slate]

Anyone have time to take a look at this?

[weak charm]

Is there a good plater profile that helps track garrote and bleed targets?

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[candid geyser]

ur cd usage seems pretty cursed - you sent DM every 2min, but ur kingsbane is super desynced, also looks like you lost ur mark for multiple minutes throughout the fight - collector's don't refund ur mark on death

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/BvGrgM8kpRLKJzDc/36-Heroic+Forgeweaver+Araz+-+Wipe+4+(7:13)/Pärssi/standard/overview

[gleaming geyser]

your uptime on both rupture and garrote more specifically is low; you also did not use a single tempered potion

on a 7 minute fight per your log, you can use on first DM and 6min DM

[warm vortex]

Anyone know an easy way to make sure your was are up to date
each time i try smth they are not in date, even when import them right after they still feel out of date as everyone elses work minus mine

[dense cedar]

you appear to have been missing crippling poison

that kidna a big one

2% + 2%

[halcyon saddle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dense cedar]

just missing entire fight

well jsut 2%

im ddumb

but still

[wise pike]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[gilded oasis]

watching whispyr drink regular water is unsettling

[lean plover]

BLASPHEMY

[austere willow]

are we running Fatebound on every boss fight or some yes some no?

[royal lantern]

his kidneys are screaming

they beg for more stones

[mild pulsar]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1pVjb2L3nZG4KQ8M?fight=6&type=damage-done could someone check what I'm doing super wrong (19ilvl parse) I'm DSANIC

[main nimbus]

Hello, sorry for being this out of the discussion, but im trying to do a macro for the assassination of the poisons, is posible to do it? im having problems and only one of the poisons works

[crude helm]

On fatebound, am I chaining the 2nd shiv or waiting a bit to sync it up with the end of kingsbane? Or does it matter

[brave comet]

on heroic dimensius, CDs on CD?

[west crown]

End of KB

[dense cedar]

wrong hero talent

[oblique slate]

Any log understanders wanna help a brother out? A quick skim should do

[gilded oasis]

damn they hoarding all the rogue

[ruby shoal]

Anyone got a WA reminder for poisons?

[gilded oasis]

!wa

[mild pulsar]

deathstalker's not good?

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[gilded oasis]

theres some in there

[gilded oasis]

on that fight, fatebound is better

either way this opener is wrong

[dense cedar]

fatebound beter for that fight, also ur weapons don't have enchants

your belt is also on a bad effect

[silver osprey]

is it any good to craft 2 weapons instead of one+dagger if i dont get myth track weapon?

[gilded oasis]

You also shiv and then shiv 5.5 sec later which means the first shiv isnt even done

[oblique slate]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PFMRd4HfqTLt8KCn?fight=39&type=damage-done&source=47 a link for anyone who wants to check it out. Looking to get into 90+'s thinking what I can optimize

[coral hollow]

do we pool to maximize envenom uptime on fatebound or are we still spamming away?

[dense cedar]

a crafted dagger is barely worse than a 6/6 myth weapon

[manic quartz]

spam

[dense cedar]

you only need good dagger tho

the offhand one is just a stat stick basically

so you can just mainhand the crafted till you randomly get a myth one

[silver osprey]

so actually better to craft bracers for armor banding ok ok i guess 😄

ty ❤️

[vocal seal]

!tier

[prisma monolith]

Get your Season 2 Two Piece immediately, as it is a very powerful gain, stronger than both previous bonuses combined. This is true for both hero talents. The 4 piece is another big step up in dps for both hero talents on top of that.

[dense cedar]

!tear

🌊

[vocal seal]

how much % is 4p compared to 2p in dmg upgrade ? roughly

[mild pulsar]

I guess shiv should come before king's. or is there more?

[dense cedar]

significant

[vocal seal]

[dense cedar]

you should have an envenom before DM and KB

[mild pulsar]

so ambush->garrote->rapture->shiv->envenom if 5+CP->KB->DM?

[near elk]

in fatebound opener u dont make +5cp before cast rupture or evenom?

[manic quartz]

yes you do

[dense cedar]

ambush - garr - rupt - env - dm - shv -kb

finishers at 5+

[runic basin]

are you hard swap to adds on loom myth?

[dense cedar]

but also play FB for fights like that

not Deathstalker

[mild pulsar]

DB better for ST fights? is FB also better in loom? what about soulbinder?

[manic quartz]

check wowhead guide talent section and under there is raid talents suggestion for each boss

[minor dagger]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[woven slate]

Has to be issue with macro then regarding the tempered potion, thank you for pointing that out

[dense cedar]

did u see waht i posted

very important stuff

[woven slate]

I am, couldnt reply to all at once

[woven trout]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[woven slate]

Hate to admit it, but I think that might of been missing far more often than just this one

[dense cedar]

Lethal Dose talent very strong

gotta make sure to maximise its bonus

[woven slate]

For some idiotic reason I didnt realize crippling poison applies for that

[dense cedar]

its clear about it by omitting the words lethal or non-lethal

But if u just treat weapon poisons

as meaning the lethal ones

then can see where u go wrong

[woven slate]

Yeah it was the latter for me, not sure if its something I just remembe from earlier expansions or something and didnt think twice

[austere willow]

what fights fate bound what fights death if its not too much to ask lol

[dense cedar]

#assassination message

[small cairn]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[cerulean karma]

Do I keep this enabled?

[normal mist]

if you want to

im a chad so im using the movement speed gem

[dense cedar]

darstadly being

zooming everywhere

[cerulean karma]

Mount farm gem

[normal mist]

brrrrr

[austere willow]

tyty

[dense cedar]

its outlaw's job to mount farm

[austere willow]

any suggestions on FB? only ever played Deathstalker.

[dense cedar]

learn to do the opener

[cerulean karma]

My question was actually on the always use check

[dense cedar]

and the rest of it is just basic sin rogue

[dire mist]

Dumb, quick question: I dont hold deathmark and kingsbane for vanish when it has like 30 sec cd, right? (fatebound)

[normal mist]

if you dont use the check it wont force the 4 color combinations

[unique lark]

I tried searching, but found nothing: does the S3 tier bonus help Bleed builds do competitive dps in +11 keys and so on. Relatedly, what's the key level where one should consider Envenom: the Build?

[main bridge]

I only know about bleed build

[normal mist]

bleed everywhere

[main bridge]

Dunno what an envenom build is

[manic quartz]

you use vanish at pull and then at 3min afaik(4set)

[thorn thorn]

@fallow canopy

[thorn thorn]

[humble verge]

@haughty flicker @zenith elm @maiden sierra @thorn thorn @spice spire @coral ibex

[thorn thorn]

Dont leave keys without abandoning

[humble verge]

welk

if u leave last?

[thorn thorn]

Idk

[normal mist]

in ST you always have a tea for KB

[thorn thorn]

I just know you get flagged for being a deserter

[unique lark]

I'm guessing most ppl are biased toward bleed because it's more forgiving, but I've been playing rogue since before they were one of the FoMs 😛

[coral ibex]

https://wago.io/Surrender@Twenty

[humble verge]

like

dk left before last boss dawn

[dire mist]

At that point my cds are up, but vanish still has 30 sec, do I wait for kingsbane or do I not use cds for 30 sec?

[coral ibex]

got it covered

[normal mist]

sure

[unique lark]

Envenom: the Build is the poison/cleave build

[humble verge]

we couldve just finished

wouldnt be timdd

[thorn thorn]

I think this system is very funny

[west crown]

Pro tip. Don’t ping Whispyr unnecessarily . A tea should always be up on cd because you use one with cds anyway

[normal mist]

Lets then ask the guide writers to stop lying to us because the other builds are better

fucking whispyr man

[dense cedar]

How would that be possible

[normal mist]

4set

probably

idk

[dense cedar]

How does a 2min cd used on pull not be up after 3 minutes

[west crown]

If they are macroing it to kingsbane

[manic quartz]

How is your vanish stll 30sec CD if you use it at pull it shouldnt be on CD ? or am i understandig wrong, do you have 4set?

[buoyant herald]

Playing a cleave build isn’t “the build you play when you’re good”, it’s just genuinely worse or unnecessary for 99.9% of people right now

[normal mist]

But Spark

that one streamer

or the other one

or the tiktokers

[odd python]

Shoul i macro netherspike to deathmark and forget

or ?

[normal mist]

can you remind me which one that is?

[buoyant herald]

Damn, my compelling argument foiled again by the existence of a man on a screen 😭

[odd python]

wall boss trinket

[west crown]

Cleave > when ST is VERY needed

[normal mist]

macro to vanish

[buoyant herald]

*and there’s massive aoe throughout the rest of the key

[dire mist]

I have 4p yes

[odd python]

explain ?

[dire mist]

When Deathmark is back up after pull, vanish still has cd

[dense cedar]

Nether not worth using at 1.5 cd

[west crown]

Nah like I’m probably running cleave in 12+ Streets

[dense cedar]

Should save stacks for 3m

[buoyant herald]

I mean you can

[west crown]

I’ve thought about it for high keys gambit because of murlocs. But I feel like it loses value outside of the first area

[manic quartz]

with 4set, you use vanish at pull, then you hold vanish for 3min when you get your CD's back, so you use one set of CD's without vanish

[odd python]

so no trinket on pull, then netherspike on the third deathmark ?

[dense cedar]

Ye

[buoyant herald]

You could run FB in a 12 and time it just fine I’m sure

Especially streets actually haha

[normal mist]

#assassination message

[vague dragon]

no im talking about bleed build

[west crown]

Yeah same thing. We don’t care about tea usage

[vague dragon]

ahh

[west crown]

Macro it to shiv, forget

[vague dragon]

okay

[dense cedar]

You shouldn't have energy issues in pulls

[normal mist]

was looking for sources

[dense cedar]

Source is me cos I'm smarty-pants

[normal mist]

Fair and true

[fallow canopy]

[dense cedar]

[thorn thorn]

[dire mist]

I am so sorry for asking again, so I use Deathmark and Kingsbane for the 2nd time while Vanish is still on cd, then I hold Vanish until the next Deathmark + Kingsbane? Or do I use it on the Kingsbane alone after the 2nd set of big cds?

[chrome dirge]

is it worth popping neatherprism on pull with 0 stacks?

or like 2 actually

[raw marlin]

are we just opening on dimen in raid ? not the add?

[maiden sierra]

i needed this today

[dense cedar]

Save it for dm

[chrome dirge]

For second one?

[cloud musk]

adds should die so fast, even on HC, not worth it imo

[boreal radish]

What's a typical damage breakdown for you guys? I feel like in 12's I'm running into a wall-- not doing nearly as much dam lol

[dire mist]

Thank you ❤️

[unkempt pilot]

Loomithar MM, i'm asked to swap on infused tangle
any tips ?
i'm currently on fatebound but it doesn't really works x)

tried sub and outlaw too, sad results

[minor thistle]

Good evening everyone, I have a quick question. What should I do to avoid running out of energy in Single Target? I play this talent tree -> https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/fatebound/DANFVVFBRRUVZiBRCVQMVURQUGYVURoVBUEFVVUBU

[balmy condor]

assa won't do damage if you do swap

[balmy condor]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[unkempt pilot]

better to swap sub or outlaw then ?

[balmy condor]

better to bench yourself and get another warlock idk

[minor thistle]

ty bro 😉

[unkempt pilot]

thanks

[humble verge]

i told my guild that too :) but then a TRIAL HUNTER decides to speak up every pull i dont do damage :)

the reason we fail them

is cause people keep dying like rems

to nothing

[brave comet]

so using my DM and KB on cooldown i am getting unfortunate walls

what is the timing on these for mythic sentinal?

[humble verge]

when we use KB

unironically

kb is up everytime they pop

with 4p

[shadow tulip]

Am I doing something wrong, or are the set bonuses a dmg loss? I only got hero/champ set pieces and it's supposedly downgrade even upgraded

[unkempt pilot]

it's okay, it seems like it wasn't meant for me (the swap requirement)

[humble verge]

4p is 800k up from 4p undermine

on at

st

[brave comet]

oh i meant sentinal

[humble verge]

casters, aoe specs have to do it

[humble verge]

usually you should have both cds up for all the shields

on mythic

[sleek pollen]

Hey Guys, got a question about our opening sequence. We start in steatlh and use rupture and garrote after our ambush. My question is: we got a 6 second Window where we can use that 2 stills on every add in a big pull. Does it make sense to tap every add as possible to spread that 2 Bleeds, or is it more like: just one garrote, one rupture and from now on Spam as much as Possible mutilate and envenom on our priotseget to spread our poison to the enemys ?

[brave comet]

well i am using them on CD

[humble verge]

you can use your cds then pad

[brave comet]

huh okay so continue doing that then?

[humble verge]

yes just use cds

you only hold for uh

3rd boss

2nd deathmark for big add pad

when deathstalker

[brave comet]

what for real

thats crazy

[humble verge]

well

its pad

but also were being told to do so

the phaseblades hurt

hella

so u wanna kill them asap with cleave

[fresh kelp]

Doesn’t second dm just line up

The adds all come in at like 2:10

am I cooked

[clever sparrow]

how to leave my guild without making anyone upset

[humble verge]

no it doesnt

gotta,wait like 15

or si

so

[loud light]

fake your death

[latent swallow]

/ vanish

[buoyant herald]

They can’t tell you how upset they are if you block em all

[twilit cargo]

does the fatebound lucky coin stack infinitly?

[clever sparrow]

HMMMMMMMMM

[clever sparrow]

i kinda think about it

but its rude