assassination

[waxen oyster]

in a way when high up

you are semi committing

[grave trail]

regardless, pugging should be in mind, but back to my og point tazavesh deathless shouldnt be the way

its toxic

even in grp

[waxen oyster]

Not really

[grave trail]

yes really, go ahead and be the person that dies

[waxen oyster]

skl issue

[runic hinge]

Personally I just wouldn’t be the person who dies. That’s just me tho

[waxen oyster]

in 2-3 more resets you’d have to be a real pepega

to be dying

[grave trail]

maybe, but right now killing first 2 bosses is easier than the tazavesh

and u get more chances of mythic track loot

[waxen oyster]

Good thing you can do both

[grave trail]

good thing one requires way more effort then the other and thats besides my point

we talking about people that just want to do m+

your reading comprehension sucks

[waxen oyster]

Why are you acting like in a month it isnt gonna be free

[grave trail]

what if you're unlucky and you get the same piece twice or ur vault slot

[neat plank]

even on the guy who pulls you on the mines? 😛

[waxen oyster]

thats just wow loot for you

[neat plank]

or maybe a brainfart on the boss after that splits

[grave trail]

its a bad system no matter how you put it

[waxen oyster]

the good players do it now

the guys who barely scrape by with infinite gear a month later

[grave trail]

even good players have a chance to die to some bs

like the dragon boss

[grave trail]

if it was repeatable i would be fine with it, u already get punished

if u die on second to last boss which is hardest arguably, welp go all over again

[waxen oyster]

its myth loot

[grave trail]

so?

[waxen oyster]

really shouldnt be that simple

[grave trail]

rogue can literally gear 1/3 of their gear off the first 2 mythic bosses

and theyre easy

[acoustic roost]

Well I mean if the first two bosses are so easy on mythic you could just pug that right?

[grave trail]

and itll only get easier

easy with a raid lead

but i dont wanna raid which is besides my point

reading comprehension hard i know

[teal snow]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[acoustic roost]

I don’t want to do the thing that get me easy loot so I will complain I don’t get more loot

Sound logic my guy

[grave trail]

or maybe i dont wanna raid mythic nice logic

[runic hinge]

I mean don’t complain about not getting myth loot then lol

[grave trail]

or you just going to join a guild to jus tkill the first 2 bosses and dip?

[acoustic roost]

Then you don’t get more loot

Simple

[grave trail]

and im saying it shouldnt be that way

and mythic + should have more ways to get myth

[waxen oyster]

m+ers complain when the game doesnt give them infinite loot

[rotund oak]

You are playing with the same ppl,not labeling them friends doesnt change the fact that they are the same.Its just as highend pvp is.You face the same teams and play with the same players and classes in solo shuffle.You dont need to actually know them personally to just play with them.You should add them on your friendlist anyway though since u are doing the same things/have the same interests.Thats how u make your life easier when u wanna do what u like to do.Call that a defense mechanism against selftorture

[grave trail]

not hard to understand bud

[dapper cradle]

You are playing with the same ppl,not labeling them friends doesnt change the fact that they are the same.Its just as highend pvp is.You face the same teams and play with the same players and classes in solo shuffle.You dont need to actually know them personally to just play with them.You should add them on your friendlist anyway though since u are doing the same things/have the same interests.Thats how u make your life easier when u wanna do what u like to do.Call that a defense mechanism against selftorture

[grave trail]

who said infinite loot lmao

[runic hinge]

I don’t think blizzard wants people to have a way to get infinitely farmable myth track loot

[grave trail]

quote me

go ahead where i said infinite loot

who said

i said

farmable

quote me

[waxen oyster]

farmable is infinite

[grave trail]

i didnt say that

[dapper cradle]

hey guys let's not bicker please I don't want to get the mods involved

[grave trail]

tho

[waxen oyster]

but as som said its not pugging

[grave trail]

oh

[waxen oyster]

You still need to get on around times the actual people you can rely on to not instant brick

are around

[jolly stirrup]

Me looking at the discord this morning

[rotund oak]

ive made coffee and breathing for this,nothing to do at work,dont ruin this

[jolly stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[dapper cradle]

mb king

[grave trail]

why would mod need to get involved

[grave solar]

Dragapult needa pop back into his pokeball

[waxen oyster]

15 timed this early i could see maybe

[rotund oak]

cant force u fam,a man's gotta do.. 😂

[waxen oyster]

considering a death at 15 this early might equate to a brick

[nova kelp]

What's happening here? We getting mad? We ret pallying out?

[grave trail]

no for rest of season

[jolly stirrup]

Mad gud

[grave trail]

raid gets easier to with time

[waxen oyster]

deathless taz bad

so does deathless

[nova kelp]

Oh yeah well. Water is wet.

[grave trail]

and most of the community wouldnt time a 15 even with bis

[acoustic roost]

Naw. One guy complaining he only gets 1 piece of mythic gear a week and wants 2 pieces instead

[grave trail]

maybe with supercharged

[runic hinge]

We’re full ret pally now. Shut it down

[grave trail]

or w/e its called

[grave trail]

advocating for making the game better since a lot of people do m+

[runic hinge]

More exclusive loot. Just like deathless taz which you’re arguing against lol

[nova kelp]

Wait. Being able to farm one more piece of myth loot every week is the bad part of taz?

[rotund oak]

bold of u to assume there will be a community to care about 15s once they gear cap

[runic hinge]

It being a single try is the bad part

[grave trail]

its not as exvlusive as taz, a timed 15 is more flexible

[jolly stirrup]

Is there even a point except big number go up to do more than +10s?

[waxen oyster]

Not this early

[runic hinge]

It’s arbitrary

[rotund oak]

no not at all

[grave trail]

by next week itll be

[runic hinge]

Whatever point you wanna put

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure 1-2 deaths will cost you a 15 rn

[nova kelp]

I mean everything about taz hm is bad. The fact that you can maybe get a myth piece is the good bit isn't it? Am I crazy?

[grave trail]

depends where you die

if u die on trash early in the dung no

[acoustic roost]

Maybe the design philosophy is blizzard wants more people to raid. So there’s an incentive to want to push people to do multiple forms of content for the maximum/quickest amount of loot

[grave trail]

if u die on boss fight yes

[acoustic roost]

Wild concept

[waxen oyster]

and deathless gets easier with every week

more gear

which equates to you can get away with doing more dumb

[rotund oak]

its also a limited loot table

[jolly stirrup]

Thats what I thought lol. I couldn't care less tbh I just like doing it with friendos

[waxen oyster]

without dying

[rotund oak]

dunno if loot from taz makes any difference for anything

[grave trail]

so take away player agency? thats good design, so you would be fine if they made us do pvp

there was an xpac that already did it i forgot

[rotund oak]

yup,thats how ppl actually enjoy the game

[runic hinge]

I think a deathless achieve is a fun challenge but putting loot behind it makes people feel bad when one single person makes a mistake

[grave trail]

if it was SL

[waxen oyster]

Title but at that point you know the people you play with

since the pool shrinks a shit ton

[acoustic roost]

Hot take but I think one of the best times for playing wow was s4 BFA. Where everyone was doing every piece of content to level essences and get the title

[grave trail]

is there a point to do meta comps outside of the cutting edge keys and maybe one level lower or two? no but people still do it

[jolly stirrup]

People care about 3 or 4 more words behind their name?

[grave trail]

sorry ment to reply to the guy number go up on +10

[nova kelp]

Agree

[jolly stirrup]

[waxen oyster]

I would saying dying should forfeit your loot

but that would give tanks an advantage

so

[grave trail]

what if it was 3 lifes like monster hunter

[rotund oak]

tanks are the privileged

[grave trail]

shared

[silent breach]

Kinda worth doing an 11 once a week to start the week with a 10

[grave trail]

i just think 1 is too punishing that could be a lag spike

in a 2 hour dung

[waxen oyster]

eventually its gonna be 12s just because

who tf likes the xal affixes

[jolly stirrup]

Bro fuck them, especially the current one.

I didn't mind the orbs orbiting

[waxen oyster]

nah the orb behind you is fine

its the cc one

thats the big offender

[jolly stirrup]

Ye

[runic hinge]

I do when it’s the cc balls and I can snapshot ct on to single target bosses

Oh

We hate that one my b

[silent breach]

The current one is the easiest one but I did get a lot of work done on my sham last week lol

[grave trail]

yeah it is, early its annoying cause you need the cc for the mobs, but at this point you dont so its w/e

[waxen oyster]

its fine if you have a comp that can do them

[runic hinge]

Yeah I have been running with a decent comp for them

(One shaman)

[waxen oyster]

lmao yeah

some classes can solo

[grave trail]

i prefer it over old affixes

so aint complaining

u can also line up ur cds or wait if u know its coming

for big dmg

[lucid horizon]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[silent breach]

I got every 10 for my vault under geared cuz getting an inv was so ez on sham

[waxen oyster]

As healer?

[silent breach]

Yeah

[waxen oyster]

probably yeah

also has lust because pugs cant fathom doing 10s with drums

[runic hinge]

Yeah my buddy had only timed a 7 and got into a 10 Monday night easy as healer sham

[silent breach]

My rating was high but I was like 680 with no tier lol

[waxen oyster]

granted i feel lust is whatever since most good ranged

have it

[silent breach]

Now I’m like 2600 on my sham and it makes playing my rogue feel miserable without my group online

[waxen oyster]

I saw a resto shaman with a 720 crafted offhand

needless to say, someone was dead every purify

through defensives

[idle vine]

is there anything to do differently in m+ once u get 2 set? I feel much weaker than I was with s2 4 set now that I am 2set/2set from s2 and s3

[waxen oyster]

s2 tier sucks

[silent breach]

I’ve just mained sham since alliance got them

[waxen oyster]

s3 just gives you bigger booms

[idle vine]

i did my first key with 2set/2set and my dmg felt much lower

[jolly stirrup]

Guys I only have one Myth Tier item in my vault, and it Sims worse than my current HC Necklace, what to do

[waxen oyster]

Not hitting your mark target?

Because the tierset just causes shiv to zoot your ds bonuses

[idle vine]

nah i am

[velvet ridge]

Dam I kind of feel like 2pc 2 pc was strong as hell

[waxen oyster]

It is

[velvet ridge]

Bigger ruptures

[waxen oyster]

2p is stronger than 4 tbh

[jolly stirrup]

4pc is whatever

[waxen oyster]

you get massive singular focus damage

[velvet ridge]

Bigger envenoms with the ds bonus

[waxen oyster]

just check damage to minibosses

with the 2p

[jolly stirrup]

We raid another NHC today and then a bit into HC today, of I don't get a Set piece I will finally use a catalyst and say goodbye to my old 4pc

Cant fucking wait

Since I joined very late last season, my highest set piece Was 662

[waxen oyster]

Yeah our s2 set was

[velvet ridge]

You trade what, 30% finisher damage for 3 more secs on shiv, which is still nice don't get me wrong

[waxen oyster]

quite bad

also you say that assuming you just dont lose your winning streak

[golden loom]

in aoe the shiv duration is sick tho

[waxen oyster]

because fuck you

they couldnt give us protection vs losing it

in cds

like casters have

[velvet ridge]

I never tracked it tbh

[waxen oyster]

i never did either

i just heard the coin sound

[velvet ridge]

I just assumed it was up 100% so I never felt bad

[silent breach]

Why are my ds marks not consuming sometimes ?

[idle vine]

this is prolly asked 1000 times but in keys do u ever spread rupture to more than 5 targets

in big pulls

same with garrote

[waxen oyster]

depends pull size how long shit lives

no one correct answer

[silent breach]

If they’ll survive 10 seconds it’s worth to have rip on them I believe

Broadly

[golden loom]

This was an insane final burst window btw, in execute full cds, netherprism and I hit a fucking 30 coinflip streak

[waxen oyster]

In your average pug yeah

[velvet ridge]

If it's like priory minis? Fuck that.
Flood first pull? Too many, gotta get CT and dm rolling.
8 mid mobs? Yeah probably

[waxen oyster]

in gigapulls an actual good group does probably just better to ct and spatter

[idle vine]

do u ever switch off the marked target to spread? to make more efficient? cause with new 2 set maybe im missing out on dmg cause I set marked target as focus then I spread by tab targeting unruptured/ungarroted targets, then go back to marked focus once its spread

[silent breach]

Nah spam mark target for qol

[jolly stirrup]

Holy DPS

[idle vine]

even if doing might only add a rupture/garrote to 1 target each time

?

[waxen oyster]

I think my tails peak was 17

[golden loom]

just flip well

[drifting cedar]

We don't wanna use prism on pull but rather on 1:30?

[waxen oyster]

technically 3mins

[golden loom]

for fatebound 4 piece you use it on pull and then on every vanish (so on a 3 min cycle)

[silent breach]

It will rup garrote 2 unbled targets each time

[velvet ridge]

I mean, it doesn't hurt to use on pull. It has 20 sec cd

[waxen oyster]

but part of me wants to say if you have 10+ prism stacks to slam at 1:30

[velvet ridge]

It ain't doing anything though

[waxen oyster]

nah you’ll have a whole 1-2 stacks

[idle vine]

sorry meant 2. so its not worth finding an unruptured target to get a spread to 3 mobs?

[waxen oyster]

if lucky

[golden ravine]

it's like popping a potion

but it's a trinket

[velvet ridge]

If you have the capacity to do it. Do it

[drifting cedar]

Ty

[idle vine]

i usually do, but ig my question is, is this worth it if it means as a cost you're not using a finisher on your marked target

[silent breach]

It is technically better but kind of a pain in the ass and you have to manually target your original mark as tab will mess you up

[waxen oyster]

If you have a damage amp at 1:30 you say fuck it

and just slam

[idle vine]

i set focus and then target focus

[waxen oyster]

conventional wisdom is you stay on mark

[silent breach]

That’s what I was about to type lol

[waxen oyster]

and focus kick a mob

[velvet ridge]

Ah, like in a 4 pack? I usually bleed them all, even though it feels wasteful

[golden ravine]

you can wait for max stacks or use it as a on demand boost during good uptime

[waxen oyster]

Yeah prism’s strength lies in you can pick when you need damage

besides opener

[silent breach]

The rup on your mark is also eating your marks too, so you’d really only wanna be off main with garrote

[idle vine]

nah nah i mean, say in a 10+ pack, i use 2 garrotes and 2 ruptures on focus target (with an ambush so mark is applied), then I tab target, and garrote and rupture non-bleeding targets. So this is efficient since it's spreading ruptures/garrotes more quickly, but when I cast these ruptures it's not on the marked target, you know

[velvet ridge]

I have a jank set up. Ambush, mutilate, and kb focus my target. Envenom casts at my focus every time. I never manually do anything lol

[waxen oyster]

You do miss autos that way

on marked target

but yeah

[silent breach]

Does ct eat marks?

[idle vine]

ig its better to stay on marked target, as consequence of missing the mark when u rupture unmarked targets is not good

[waxen oyster]

Yeah it eats one

when cast

[golden loom]

if you are not autoattacking your marked target you are beyond griefing

[waxen oyster]

Mouseover rupture

[silent breach]

Idk I’d say a perfect robot would make it more efficient to be switching targets or doing focus antics

[waxen oyster]

focus kick your assigned mob

usually

[silent breach]

But I’m not gonna

[ebon prism]

i think i saw a celebrity in dornogal

[idle vine]

ah ok

[waxen oyster]

Human Resources

lmao

[idle vine]

so you all, if yopu want to spread rupture to 5+ targets, just keep casting it on marked target?

[velvet ridge]

I see what your saying, finishing on the mob to get rid of a stack of mark.

[waxen oyster]

You do lose one rupture spread per time of that

so depends

[idle vine]

yeah

[silent breach]

Personally yeah

[balmy condor]

[idle vine]

im sort of just weighing up whether or not to lose 1 spread of rupture or lose 1 or 2 finishers on marked target

[waxen oyster]

One of your hero talents literally

makes you auto your mark target

or lose damage though

[golden loom]

that autoattack damage also spatters (hunt them down, poison procs etc)

[velvet ridge]

He's not taking that much time away from the marked target

[silent breach]

Like I said in a sim it’s probably better to quickly tab only for garrotes but f that

[forest acorn]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtlety.

[silent breach]

If I could think of a good macro to randomly tab off and back only for garrotes maybe it’s worth it for me. But I like focus kick

[waxen oyster]

Most will just have mouseovers for that yeah

i think someone did have one that defaults to bleeding the current target if no mouseover

[idle vine]

if you set ur focus to kick target, how do u target marked target again

[silent breach]

I stay on my marked target and kick focus

[idle vine]

oh i misunderstod

yah fair

[noble ridge]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[grave trail]

the best is to switch target to spread them more efficiently on big pulls but sometimes can get annoying to get back to the marked target

[fiery forge]

You can also make mouseover macros for rupture and garrote and stay on marked target

[grave trail]

with all the plates floating

mouseover works too but my plates are jumpy asf and sometimes can miss

[silent breach]

I like better blizzard plates

[mint urchin]

I personally hate this method as I find I have dead globals because Im one inch out of reach

[grave trail]

which is a reminder i need to fix them

[silent breach]

Very robust and I blacklist a lot of debuffs that don’t matter

[fiery forge]

Ye you can miss and the worst that can happen is that you reapply to main target and spread just 2 of em so not the worst thing but true I have dead globals too bcs of range

[grave trail]

yes range makes it a pain in the butt

[torn dome]

Should we be bleeding targets in cleave fights or just tunnelling and maxing the envenom>CS dmg? Like at soulbinder

[fiery forge]

Or also the target is behind me that happens too sometimes

[grave trail]

which is why imo i think its easier to spread dots as a ranged

[grave trail]

too relatable lol

[fiery forge]

There is no doubt about this

[silent breach]

Spriest dot spread makes any attempt a rogue makes into a joke

[jolly stirrup]

Wtf are Barrels

[silent breach]

One button, dot the pile

[regal seal]

How to fix weak single target in dun ? I feel weak even a monk tank is above me with 3m at the end of the fight ilvl 702 4p

[fiery forge]

6 dots insta and then no Jumpy nameplates for ranged

[jolly stirrup]

You dont. We cry and deal with it

[regal seal]

Should i play hybrid build ? Or not worth it ?

[waxen oyster]

if a monk tank is doing 3m

there was likely adds

or an amp

[jolly stirrup]

What you make up in ST you loose in AoE

[ebon prism]

[jolly stirrup]

Not worth

[waxen oyster]

nah hybrid isnt more st

[scenic stratus]

does anyone know why sometimes darkest night wont re apply my mark when i have full cp?

[golden loom]

is the target moving away from you or is there some movement going on

[silent breach]

Going full bleed is just better because of how broken our aoe is, and as you climb and hit better tanks it’ll get even crazier

[regal seal]

One more question should i try to stay above 150 energy in st ? Or how does this work ?

[silent breach]

Particularly tanks who are comfortable dragging mobs into boss fights

[jolly stirrup]

No

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[grim jay]

That and you do more ST than 3m at 700+

[rigid fable]

there is a macro or something to kick focus?

[subtle tundra]

sex

[cunning needle]

/cast [@focus,exists][@target] Kick

or even

/cast [@mouseover,exists][@focus,exists][@target] Kick

[regal seal]

That was helpful 👍

[subtle tundra]

yeah i wrote it

[silent breach]

I just use my pvp one which is close enough to either of those, and I have a step variant

[weak charm]

Any suggestions on spec choice for M+ in lower keys for tanks that chain pull, but don't always pull big? I feel like I'm losing so much dmg by not being able to restealth as much as I should and get those early bleeds going.

[silent breach]

Be a night elf.

[grim jay]

!restealth

Dang

Where command

[runic hinge]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[grim jay]

It got changed

[runic hinge]

yeah

[grim jay]

Didnt have to use it for a while

[subtle tundra]

feet...............

🫃 🫃 🫃 🫃 🫃

last 2 days at current work

im bored

[runic hinge]

me and who

[subtle tundra]

hi

[runic hinge]

hey

[grim jay]

Fair

[weak charm]

What are the numbers? I mean, I see the difference in the meters when I get openers in stealth vs not.

Point is, irrespective of the chain pull, is the M+ Bleed build still top dps in that scenario?

[marsh fjord]

It doesn’t matter because you already have scent running from previously pack and by chain pulling the other dps do also do more dps then you. Yes you go from 1 global to 3 bleeds to 3 globals per 3 bleeds. Just rupture a few and ct and do the same thing. You won’t lose a lot and the other DPS will gain more

[grim jay]

Most of that probably comes down to it either not being an actual proper chainpull or you being like "man no restealth, fuck this shit im out" mentally

[grim jay]

Bleed always on top

They all require some spreading

Or the same even

[weak charm]

It's lower keys, so it's definitely not a high level chainpull.

[marsh fjord]

In lower keys it even matters more little

Because pack dies faster

And just hold on your vanishes charges if you want to

[grim jay]

Its more of a definition think mostly. Dragging two 5% HP mobs into the next pack isnt really chainpulling for example

[topaz crow]

I did an ara kara last night i think my tank (hes a guildie messing with me) gave me all of 1 non vanish restealth the entire key 🤣 getting restealths are more of a luxury than neccissity. Keep rupture going and CT and slam that caustic

[jolly stirrup]

Ok but why do you have this at the ready

[grim jay]

I know varas, but I googled it

[jolly stirrup]

[topaz crow]

So fatebound question. For our Non DM kingsbanes shiv beginning half or end? End would buff kingbane ending dam, beginning buffs kingsbane and a bunch of the initial envenoms.

[grim jay]

Always the end

Kb initial is a joke and for your envenom argument, you can always delay them to the shiv part

[delicate bone]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[gray pond]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[topaz crow]

appreciate ya!

[vale fox]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[weak charm]

So I'm assuming that means just stick with standard M+ Bleed build on WoWhead?

[minor heath]

hey after doing quite a bit of looking at m+ logs, im wondering if there is a reason people are running so much vers on their gear. ive seen so many crafted items among top parsers that are vers mas, and im confused because i thought sin did not like vers. anyone know whats going on?

[red schooner]

We like every secondary

High key runners just like vers for damage reduction

[minor heath]

ok i get it now that makes sense

[red schooner]

But for the most part, disregard secondary stats and sim yourself

[minor heath]

was only looking at super high keys

[minor heath]

fs, was just wondering if i was ootl on this

[red schooner]

Yeah, just DR, nothing fancy

[grim jay]

Yes

[rugged sphinx]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[subtle tundra]

fuck fuck fuck fuck

any new feet in the midnight cinematic?

😤

[wide quail]

A noob question. If I talent Dragon-Tempered Blades, does that mean I can apply 4 poisons? atrophic poison, deadly poison and 2 more poisons? or it is 1 additional poison either lethal or non-lethal?

[night cipher]

Yeah. That buffs cloak to 60% proc

[dense cedar]

2 more poisons, one of each type

[wide quail]

🤯

so which poisons should I apply for raid and m+?

[weak charm]

tyvm!

[dense cedar]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[balmy condor]

too many deaths

[dense cedar]

you get it next time

[runic hinge]

Key pusher Whispyr

I need kwan and chase to carry me

[rotund oak]

not streaming this is punishable by more hours streaming btw

you cant evade your people

[latent tendon]

!envenom

where's the bot when you need it

[rotund oak]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[rotund oak]

here it is

there is no command for envenom thats all

[dense cedar]

what would an envenom command even say

[balmy condor]

it would tell him to envenom

[dense cedar]

huge info

[balmy condor]

!envenom

yes

just "yes"

[latent tendon]

yes

[dense cedar]

please add that

[red schooner]

I'm still waiting on this seasons !rik equivalent command

Which boss is it gonna be

[dense cedar]

!araz

[nova kelp]

!envenom

[red schooner]

Ye probs

[latent tendon]

but for real, i just wanted to know about energy pooling and stuff

[red schooner]

We don't pool, hit buttons

Like, you're over thinking it, just hit buttons

There's no secret sauce

[balmy condor]

should add an !envenom command and have it go "try !pb" and then !pb would say "try !optimizeenvenom" and that would send you back to !envenom

kinda based

overcomplicating the spec is legit 90% of peoples problems I swear to god

[red schooner]

Its like that bell curve meme

[balmy condor]

like all questions in this channel can be put into three buckets:

1. not reading a guide and asking something fairly basic that's covered multiple times
2. some random "why does my sim X"
3. overcomplicating things

that's this entire channel

[wide quail]

Hold on.. execute my warrior brain. Why Atrocious is not recommended in PvE? It helps the tank to survive the boss damage.

[balmy condor]

numbing helps the tank survive way more

[latent tendon]

pretty sure that's just all class discord channels

[balmy condor]

I assume you mean atrophic though

which is used as a party/raid wide reduction

[rotund marsh]

do i bind prism into DM or KB

[balmy condor]

DM

binding to KB would mean you buff the non-dm dogshit awful kingsbanes

[rotund marsh]

ok ty!

[dense cedar]

Bind everything to mutilate

[balmy condor]

and that's no good

[dense cedar]

chaos mode

[subtle tundra]

what chances are there for a rogue buff?

dont say 0

[rotund marsh]

just build into that one huge burst window

[dense cedar]

near zero

.1%

[rotund marsh]

oh i guess you dont have KB in m+ too

[subtle tundra]

blocked

[balmy condor]

we are burst spec

[rotund marsh]

so thats something

[nova kelp]

if we shut down the discord - 100%

[balmy condor]

build for burst spec

is indeed the move

[dense cedar]

I MADE SURE IT WASN'T ZERO

smh smh

[subtle tundra]

who talked to me

not opening blocked messages

[dense cedar]

Sending Varas to mega hell

[red schooner]

It was me

[nova kelp]

rip me I guess

I replied as well

[dense cedar]

where you're forced to play aug evoker in a normal raid guild

[balmy condor]

varas I cast my ultimate ability on you

twink death

[subtle tundra]

fucking stop playing well

please

you fuckers

[nova kelp]

bro we're 5th

[subtle tundra]

[lavish portal]

how we sim m+ ? Dslice? 10target 1:30?

[nova kelp]

perfectly safe

[dense cedar]

dungeonslice

[red schooner]

I never started playing well though

[weak charm]

dungeonslice takes 10 years to complete

[subtle tundra]

boys i need assa to be great on last boss so i can get special treatment and play dimensus

[amber brook]

as fatebound do we switch targets since its easier or just zug

[balmy condor]

do you want slow and good or fast and bad

[weak charm]

Yes

[dense cedar]

well u can wait for accurate info or rush shit info

[nova kelp]

that's what she said

[balmy condor]

understandable

[red schooner]

Where is fast and good? I ask of you Mr wowhead

[rotund oak]

Dslice,normal 5-6min sim,no multiple targets no small timespan,u arent simming combustion here

[weak charm]

I'm not complaining. Just pointing it out lol

[balmy condor]

dslice actually is like 20% faster since last patch funny enough

[red schooner]

Rookie numbers

[subtle tundra]

what why what changed

[rotund oak]

you got prettier

[subtle tundra]

fuck i need my prostate massaged

[nova kelp]

cant we just send you a screenshot of our gear, and you instantly tell us what the number would be whispyr?

[rotund oak]

[dense cedar]

we gotta ban this guy

[balmy condor]

about 4-5% of that is APL tomfoolery that I managed to optimize so its just trying to do less things

and then 15% is from backend changes to the simc core

[subtle tundra]

thats cool great yob buddy you deserve pets

and treats

[dense cedar]

so what ur saying is, it was all you?

[balmy condor]

no

[dense cedar]

very good job whispyr

[balmy condor]

it was marginally me

[dense cedar]

you saved simc

[balmy condor]

and then mostly not me

[subtle tundra]

massively you

[red schooner]

What a guy

[dense cedar]

don't be humble

[balmy condor]

I don't do the C++ stuff

[red schooner]

Whispyr sat there with an abacus each time a sin rogue sends a sim

What a man

[weak charm]

https://tenor.com/view/jake-peralta-such-a-hero-andy-samberg-brooklyn99-sarcasm-gif-11660162

[subtle tundra]

holy c++ based

[balmy condor]

I am the front-end dev that doesn't know how to code and just makes the homepage pretty

[dense cedar]

I heard Whispyr does all the C++ stuff for simc

what a legend

[red schooner]

I heard he rewrote the simc stuff in assembly for even more optimisation

By hand. On paper.

[grim jay]

I like your front end

[subtle tundra]

i should developed it, im great at c++ (lies), i have a lot of experience(lies)

[balmy condor]

I run simc in temple OS

[rotund oak]

you also got awesome hair,we all know u dont need to know coding for that

[red schooner]

I don't think god would approve of simc, terry wouldn't like that

Rip Terry

[grim jay]

God does sim his creations beforehand

[balmy condor]

I will do anything and everything in my power to be able to sim my dungeonslice gem combinations faster, I need to know how many dozens of combinations give me 0 bonus dps at lightspeed

[wide quail]

Understood. I got it now. Thanks.

[balmy condor]

you don't get it, I can't just sit there waiting for hours

[red schooner]

The secret sauce is to run it on Hannah Montana Linux or biebian

[dense cedar]

Who at blizz thought it was okay to have so many fucking different gems

[golden loom]

they are all the same

[wide quail]

why do you think I didn't get it 🤦‍♂️

[dense cedar]

we are slowly murdering that poor robot

for 0 gains

[balmy condor]

why do you think I was replying to you

[dense cedar]

used same words

[wide quail]

my bad then

[balmy condor]

1200 words per minute

[dense cedar]

feel like there's probably more words than that happening

[rotund marsh]

how much haste is a good point to hit to where you dont feel starved for energy

[balmy condor]

I'm optimizing my YPM (yaps per minute)

[dense cedar]

you will never reach such a thing

[rotund marsh]

rip

[balmy condor]

do you want the actual answer or the answer we give everyone

[red schooner]

My 30k haste says otherwise

[dense cedar]

If you want better energy in ST as sin

become a better gambler

[red schooner]

I am speed

[rotund marsh]

my haste is very low, but yeah i have had some rough energy issues

[subtle tundra]

should i watch your 3.5h video

[dense cedar]

and get more blindside procs

[balmy condor]

no

[red schooner]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[subtle tundra]

ok

[red schooner]

Why say words when robot can say words

Thanks moroes

[balmy condor]

if you don't want to be starved, you would need 78% haste

that's the answer

go forth and conquer

[rotund marsh]

lmao

[subtle tundra]

thats not unreasonable

you guys dont have permanent bl?

[dense cedar]

think as a community we should stop staying the percentages

start just saying raw stat numbers

[balmy condor]

permanent triple-stacked bloodlust

[nimble tartan]

im at 5%

this is fricked

[balmy condor]

what would that do

[dense cedar]

nothing

[balmy condor]

I see

[rotund marsh]

so are you guys at 20 energy hitting the next button as soon as you get enough energy for it?

[dense cedar]

Change for the sake of it

[balmy condor]

yes

[nimble tartan]

yes unless kb coming up

unless thats an old rule...

hehe

[golden loom]

I never stop pressing my mutilate button

[balmy condor]

no, that's still a thing

[dense cedar]

I'm hitting the button before then

[silent breach]

Ass is not designed for thoughtful players who consider things like stats and resource management

[balmy condor]

also I'm looking at sims, this is an insane way to name your talent page, no?

[subtle tundra]

yes its for ass people

[balmy condor]

left to right numerically by capstone?

that feels schizo

[silent breach]

I like it

[golden loom]

its also wrong?

[balmy condor]

yeh it's missing 4

[golden loom]

it should be 1,2,4,6,7,8

[balmy condor]

but I guess you always take 4?

so they didn't write it?

[subtle tundra]

idk

[dense cedar]

89721 98271 263123 673145423 7525381237 781348152731 1873412

[balmy condor]

but you also always take 1

[golden loom]

yeah

[dense cedar]

rate my build

[subtle tundra]

you also can have same capstones and different stuff down on spec tree

so erm

[balmy condor]

I actually just name my talent builds the import string itself

[subtle tundra]

sigma

[balmy condor]

on loomithar today I was running that CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMjZmhxMYAAAAAAY2glZAAAAAAottZmxMzMGzMzysNzMjZwwMzMmZz2YGADsAzY0Y2AZbAbA build

[runic hinge]

I name my builds something stupid and misspelled

[balmy condor]

you know the one

[subtle tundra]

i dont use talent trees i just manually change old school

cause im cool

[balmy condor]

I have 3 talents trees and don't use 2 of them most of the time

[golden loom]

I just have fatebound raid deathstalker raid and bleed

[balmy condor]

those are the three I have

but then I just quickly make the tree myself by hand

and then the name doesn't match the talent

so then I'm like well shit can't use it

so then I don't

[subtle tundra]

i have like 10 random ones that i dont touch and im too lazy to manage

[balmy condor]

so then the other two just rot

[crude helm]

The number talent name is just the bosses it’s used on no?

[balmy condor]

maybe

[silent breach]

I unconsciously edit the entire tree before I remember I can just pick a preset

[red schooner]

Oh shit

[crude helm]

I used to do that

[balmy condor]

that's also insane though

[golden loom]

I kinda do need to swap between the ds/fatebound pages cause of prism, got different things on the different bars

[red schooner]

Nah I can vibe with it

[crude helm]

But now I name them shit like “legalized gambling”

[agile wedge]

saying prism, how do i utilize it? i mean i could bind to dm and forget, but i remember i think whisp said something like only use with cds, when you have vanish up or something?

might be wrong though

[crisp venture]

has anyone done hm taza successfully yet

[golden loom]

for DS I have it macrod to deathmark and for fatebound I have it macrod to vanish

lmao

swapping around deathmark macros depending on boss

[dense cedar]

Does cloaking the stack mechanic on plexus sentinel make you not count as being in it?

[agile wedge]

this was my thought too, need to test how it works out

[jolly stirrup]

My brain hurts

[golden loom]

I dont really ever use ctrl Q/T/E/1/2 so I just have stuff I wanna swap around quickly there

[lofty nymph]

Mastery or Crit in Waist?

[dense cedar]

you can sim it

click the belt in top gear

it has options

[silent breach]

I don’t even see an ability if it doesn’t have a XD

Cd

[golden loom]

so for example I have a garrote pot macro on ctrl q that I would just swap to my normal garrote bind if the fight timer is so tight that I wanna pot instantly

[silent breach]

Anything with no cd is literally not visible on my bar

[lofty nymph]

I am at work, it just came into my mind, do you even sleep ahahah

You already answered me yesterday, stop hunting me

[nova kelp]

I literally just hide my entire UI

[uneven plank]

when opening from stealth, do you tab target to spread garrot / rapture?

[nova kelp]

I'm just built diff

[silent breach]

I hide a lot tbh

[lofty nymph]

I use mouseover to not lose on my main target who has death

[golden loom]

I dont hide anything

[uneven plank]

do you mouseover every cast?

that might actually be a great idea

[sinful wraith]

how do you guys deal with the different stat requirements for FB ST on the one hand and M+ on the other? Just switch cloak/belt between crit/mastery?

[dense cedar]

the difference can be quite minor

[red zealot]

When doing a boss in m+ should I still Crimson tempest or just envenom?

[dense cedar]

like council's guile simmed best for both FB and DS with my stats

[dense cedar]

Maintaining CT in Single target is a gain

Should look at the rotation page on wowhead

[uneven plank]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lethal swallow]

My performance is rough on the AoE fights

Heroic so far 🙁

[orchid pewter]

You have to learn how to pad

Its the secret to success

[hallow glade]

no adds = no cds

simple as

[lethal swallow]

Yeah, it's just normal and we steamrolled it last night. But still felt bad. FB is so much easier

[dusty phoenix]

FB feels very nice with the tier I must say

always hated the mark fuckery

[red schooner]

Yeah, no mark is kinda nice

[atomic creek]

Is it better to just go FB with Caustic on Araz HC when the last phase doesn't last very long? He barely had hp left in our run when he knocked us back

[analog field]

i dont know if someone else pointed it out but i think it is the bosses where you play this build

[grim jay]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[gusty swallow]

Do we have a spread sheet that tracks all uses of cloak and evasion?

[fathom flax]

TIL im dumb and have been sitting on vanish as fate

lol

[dense cedar]

Should read all of your talent tooltips

just in-case ur doing any other silly things

[dense cedar]

#wow-general pins

[grim jay]

Or the guide

[dense cedar]

that too, but forreal read the tooltips they're like

80% correct

[fathom flax]

for the record

normal / heroic with no vanishes haha

but yeah big dumb

😄

[half dawn]

why sub on forge

[analog bone]

Hey bois im new in assa game😅 do we play fatebound or deathstalker in raid?

[red schooner]

Yes

[dense cedar]

its not very fun as sin tbh

[fathom flax]

i dont have a good reply to this

[half dawn]

i havent done it on HC tbh, but on NM its quite fine in the cleave build

as long as you're managing DN

whic is stupid that the pylons eat DN

[red schooner]

Boss 3, 4 and 5 are deathstalker, rest are fate bound. Check the wowhead guide for more info

[scenic stratus]

What talents are ppl running for streets ? Feel like bleed feels terrible in it but could just be me

[dense cedar]

this is most of the problem

[red schooner]

Its me, the pylon

[half dawn]

Whisper's idea of moving it to the add works

[dense cedar]

too many factors outside your control to be able to save it

[magic oar]

is outlaw simming higher then ass now

[dense cedar]

on heroic i've applied mark used 2 finisher and had the pylon die

not even a chance

[half dawn]

kekw

[fathom flax]

also has the biggest variance of any spec in the game

( i made that up but its pretty big)

[scenic stratus]

Mm wants to have a word

[dense cedar]

doubt you can pump those pylons down like that in mythic

so would work a bit better there

[half dawn]

yeah but perfecto was going ham as sub

[dense cedar]

sub plays very well in araz

[red schooner]

Mythic you also only go to one pylon so its fine probs

[half dawn]

yeah ig the lineups

for extra dam work great

[uncut void]

is it worth upgrading myth track bis neck or I should hold onto my gilded maybe I get an item with mainstat next vault?

[dense cedar]

like when we get to araz its just gonna be a wall anyways unless nerfs come out

hard to care about it rn

[half dawn]

they nerfed it giga hard

this reset

[normal axle]

we using ironclaw as assassin?

[fathom flax]

next vault is 90 extra gilded

just send it

[scenic stratus]

Should prio weapon and chest helm etc for agility

[half dawn]

Idk about HC but cleave on 3rd boss on NM feels pointless

cleave build*

adds are insta nuked

[fierce sigil]

Y my caustic Doesnt Even do damage to the adds on nazhindri hc cause The adds explode 😂😂

[half dawn]

yeah i need to do it on HC to see but I bet its the same

[fierce sigil]

They Are barely up 😂

[half dawn]

even on mythic it looks like they insta die

[normal axle]

?

[fierce sigil]

The thing is:
do u wanna play very high m+ and push to the Limit or Are u more into raiding and want to aim for CE for example? I think in Mythic keys around 12-14 oder even 15-16 in a few Weeks it is okay to just Not focus on more Mastery for m+ than going for more crit in raid… Maybe im Not Right But thats What i think

[rotund marsh]

Payed 80k for a curio thinking I’d have my 4pc.. forgot I used my catalyst charge already 💀

80k for a champion track tier piece isn’t toooooo bad right?

[balmy condor]

Bro you paid for CHAMP track?

[dense cedar]

[sonic zinc]

[rotund marsh]

Listen, I have not got one drop of tier for any of my 6 characters in the raid

I just want tier man 🙁

4pc will be really nice when I get it, for sure next week at least

[torn dome]

as FB in cleave fights do we spread bleeds or just tunnel and max envenom > CS dmg?

[balmy condor]

The 4pc isn’t even the important bonus

[rotund marsh]

For both?

[balmy condor]

You want to rupture for energy but your damage will come from envenom and spatter

[balmy condor]

Yes

[rotund marsh]

4pc sounds pretty nice for FB, and idk how it is for ds

[torn dome]

thank you

[balmy condor]

The 4pc on Fatebound isn’t even working properly atm

But even if it were

[rotund marsh]

Oh of course 💀

[balmy condor]

The 2pc is like 12-15%

And the 4pc is just kinda there

[rotund marsh]

Ah I see 🙁

I still have around 500k in my savings, i didn’t lose too much

[balmy condor]

Yeah just your dignity I guess

[red schooner]

The extra CDR throws me when it happens

[rotund marsh]

🥲

[red schooner]

Messes with my internal timings

[rotund marsh]

They should just make it a baseline cdr not just from lucky coin

[analog field]

What do we play on soul hunters ? Whispyr i saw you played build? is it better than normal DS with CT?

[rotund marsh]

I still don’t know how 4pc for ds performs, sounds mediocre

[balmy condor]

People play bleed build idk

I don’t really agree with it

But I’m not gonna die on that hill

Bleed build probably fine

[subtle tundra]

miau miau miau miau

[analog field]

i played it the first time on normal but then i tried DS and it was better (for normal at least) but then on HC I wasn't sure cause caustic value goes up

[balmy condor]

Well you always play DS

Idk what else you would play

[analog field]

i mean the normal ST DS not the bleed

[cosmic sparrow]

I have question. Im trying to get better at assa in Keys and i was looking through logs people somehow have a lot of energy for single Target bosses and i wanted to ask how

[balmy condor]

Oh hell nah

You don’t play ST

CT is required

[cosmic sparrow]

Cause Every single time im having hard time having over 150 energy and doing damage

[balmy condor]

I just think you do some raid build with CT

But people are going full m+

[analog field]

ok ok ty i will try bleed also on HC and get a feel

[balmy condor]

Well you don’t go over 150 energy in single target so that makes sense yeah

[cosmic sparrow]

Oh okay, so i shouldnt care about sanguine blades on bosses?

Just all in, hold bleeds and spam ?

[jolly stirrup]

Yep

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[jolly stirrup]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[balmy condor]

Sanguine is an aoe talent

[jolly stirrup]

Well still applies

[red schooner]

Yeah, hunters have that for the dark ranger set, so idk why the FB one is conditional. Why make it harder on yourself

[jolly stirrup]

[red schooner]

The easy solution is there

[cosmic sparrow]

Okay thx, i also saw that people prioritize applying bleeds for all of the target at all cost and not leaving even 1 mob without bleeds

Is it that important to debuff all mobs or should i focus after s few of them on blades etc?

[shy axle]

when i do the sole kingsbane as fatebound, do you also use shiv kb (due to the coin) and 2nd shiv with the last to seconds or is the double shiv dm kb and double shiv sole kb not possible with 4 set? did not play with it yet

[fair star]

how decent is the Blizz Suggested Rotation for ass? cause I tried learning ass before it, and my brain just kind of melted (and if it's crap, how would one learn it from scratch?)

[balmy condor]

Check your DMs you weasel

[balmy condor]

You do this with improved garrote, not rupture

[balmy condor]

You don’t have 2 shivs at 0:45, so you just do one on the last 8

[balmy condor]

It’s bad

You would learn from scratch by breaking it down into blocks

Can you maintain garrote and rupture? Great

Now spam envenom

[shy axle]

ty whispyr

[balmy condor]

Can you do both of those? Wonderful

You….. can play the spec now

[fair star]

figured that might be the case, outlaw is also awful. think it just doesn't know how to do a combo point class

[balmy condor]

I am only half memeing btw that is basically how assassination works

[cursive finch]

One thing I’m struggling with is mass aoe, big pulls. From stealth, while we group I’m garroting twice, then rupturing twice if not three times then ambushing…but after that idk when to prioritize spreading ruptures vs envenom spamming

[cosmic sparrow]

So improved garrote is priority on targets, and improved rapture is also as important to spread on tsrgets or less?

[open gulch]

!vanish

[prisma monolith]

Vanish->Ambush during cooldowns with Darkest Night up has two main benefits:

• Getting more mark uptime by reapplying when it's down
• Consuming Darkest Night then puts you from 3 stacks of the mark down to 2 since the mark is already applied

As of September 13th with the Echoing Reprimand Fix, that second part is broken. Blizzard inadvertantly added a bug where you cannot consume mark stacks while darkest night is active. This will hopefully get resolved quickly as it is quite impactful. Until that time, you might want to consider taking improved garrote in your single target build (instead of 1 point of vicious venoms, or instead of improved poison). You do not have to do this, and if you would like to continue to play without improved garrote, you would simply hold onto your vanish in case you drop the mark. Once the bug is fixed you would go back to vanish->ambush.

[cosmic sparrow]

Except main one to spread caustic spatter

[red schooner]

It got caught in the filter

[open gulch]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[balmy condor]

Do you have max scent of blood? You envenom

Do you not have energy, and do you not have max scent of blood?
You rupture

[candid nacelle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

You max out scent of blood with rupture, improved garrotes go on everything

[cursive finch]

Okay, so if I have the max envenom proc I’ll hit that. Otherwise, I’m spreading and keeping crimson up and splatter up on my main target?

Or is scent of blood different than the max combo even thing

Improved garrotes are only from stealth right?

[open gulch]

when chainpulling on dung should I spread rupture manually to each new mob and then into normal crimson tempest/shiv rotation with spatter or should I do something else ?

[balmy condor]

What

[balmy condor]

Yes

[grim jay]

A wise man once said:
Garrote as long as carnage is up, two ruptures or three for good measure if the mobs live long enough and then you go into caustic

[cursive finch]

Okay

That’s what I’ve been doing

[grim jay]

Tho im sure you wanna fok once after the first 2 garrotes into rupture

To get deadly running

[cursive finch]

Idk bro I’m just a feel it out guy

[balmy condor]

Get tempest up earlier than that, like get 1-2 ruptures out, tempest, spatter a darkest night or whatever, then spread the rest

[cursive finch]

I just be dpsing

[grim jay]

I dont feel anything

[cursive finch]

Rip

[balmy condor]

I feel like you don’t know what scent of blood is

Cause none of those words made sense to me

[warm vortex]

Read the talents lady’s and gents

[open gulch]

that makes sense, thanks, also while the pack live longer than ruputre should I try also to extend in on as many mobs as possible or just extend like 3-4 ruptures ?

[grim jay]

Wait who do you mean

[balmy condor]

The other guy

[warm vortex]

I mean it’s kinda just, apply shit at start, if it runs out and things will die in a few seconds don’t bother

Massive oversimplification but potato potato

[subtle tundra]

whispyr so hows the life

hows the woman

hows the erm

i dunno, been anywhere recently

[warm vortex]

Holy shit it’s varas

How’s it been man?

[subtle tundra]

im so fucking bored

[warm vortex]

Oh

[subtle tundra]

last 2 days at work nothing to do

[warm vortex]

:(

[night vessel]

any tips for forgeweaver? we recleared hc yesterday. and most of the fights, the assa cds are perfectly timed on fatebound 4 set, but not for forgeweaver

[red schooner]

Come back to wow

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-cat-gif-24663663

[warm vortex]

Was this you last tier on monk

[night vessel]

best i could do was KB in the 2nd dmg amp

[subtle tundra]

i did 4 hc bosses last night(guild didnt want to take me to nexus king hc)

[balmy condor]

You hold your vanish for the amp phases to apply your mark, and you hold CDs through the intermission for the amp phase

[subtle tundra]

miau

[warm vortex]

Wait I thought forge was a DS angle

[red schooner]

He's so back

[warm vortex]

Or am I thinking of a dif boss

[subtle tundra]

im nowhere bruh

[balmy condor]

It is

[red schooner]

So. Back.

[subtle tundra]

need to beg for 1 weekly today

[warm vortex]

What sever

Or region

[subtle tundra]

im eu

[warm vortex]

I could prolly use my key

[subtle tundra]

need to torture my team

[warm vortex]

Just do a 10 weekly

[night vessel]

i did hold them for the intermission but it took us like 25 seconds to destroy all pillars

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s fine

[shy axle]

netherprism for fb was just macrod to vanish because it is used like a 3minute trinket like mentioned in the pin, right?

[night vessel]

so i start to hold DM even before the intermission?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[night vessel]

kk

[warm vortex]

I assume if your mark vanishes in the piller it’s no biggie, just wait to vanish on amp

[balmy condor]

Yeah but realistically your usage will depend on boss

[warm vortex]

God I love how DS has glaring issues

[night vessel]

but i love the other fights. everything lines up perfectly with assa cooldowns. even DS cds with soulbinder

[shy axle]

ok ty

[brave stump]

Why im so ass on 5th boss

[warm vortex]

What ones that

Soul?

[brave stump]

I need to lock in

Yes

[warm vortex]

Tbh my rogue performance is eh
But I only just got the 4set

Too used to my barbed atm

[red schooner]

Try bleed build on it

[brave stump]

I am

[night vessel]

so i just played that like we play in m+

[red schooner]

Its legit good

Oh

[brave stump]

Kinda lost

[red schooner]

Okay I'm out of ideas

My work here is done

[brave stump]

Am i supposed to jump on duskblaze when he jumps out?

[kindred imp]

Is there a certain "break point" when there is enough crit? I'm on 40% but mastery dropped. (hast has to go down as well)
I suppose sim hm?

[brave stump]

My mf Ranges aint soaking

Its gonna be a log analyzer day

[night vessel]

i usualy target the tank dh the whole fight (except intermissions) and hold DM until after the intermissions so i can send DM when all 3 bosses are here

[warm vortex]

No

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[thick sigil]

In my fatebound gear i now have more crit than even mastery...
In m+ gear alot of haste
I just worship the sim and accept the answer

[subtle tundra]

did you just equip gear with crit brain off no sim?

baseg

[kindred imp]

yeah same. Was just wondering if I should swap all the gems to tip it a bit, but sims says nope. Still crit+mastery gems everywhere really.

[azure roost]

hey guys, assuming i dont have vanish how many targets do i manually apply rapture to?

[stable apex]

5 atleast (if they survive long enough)

[balmy condor]

This is normal and by design btw

[faint quartz]

Wisphyrs bible video mentions that you use CT on single target with the bleed build.
In that case, do you only use Envenom for the caustic and when CT is still up?

[balmy condor]

Yes

Finisher priority roughly is

1. Rupture for caustic spatter specifically in aoe if you don’t have caustic spatter
2. Darkest night
3. Ruptures from stealth to cap scent stacks
4. Crimson tempest TO MAINTAIN THE DOT (spamming it is braindead idk why people keep trying)
5. Rupture snipes for energy
6. Envenom

[faint quartz]

On the first one you mean Envenom for caustic spatter?
And Rupture snipes you mean applying rupture to targets that don’t have so you get energy back, right?
Sorry for the dumb questions, just returned to WoW yesterday

[atomic creek]

He means apply rupture so you can activate caustic spatter, caustic doesn't work when the target doesn't have rupture.

Rupture snipes is putting it on a mob that is close to dying to recover energy

[night vessel]

where can i see the coins (not lucky coins) i had during a fight in wclogs? wanted to look this up bc i had 22 fatebound at dimensius at one point which was also my highest dmg then

i can see the dmg done by it but not how many i accumulated

[brazen ivy]

Hey guys. When we're doing single target/raid rotation, and we're going to just cast Kingsbane (DM on cooldown still). Do we shiv that Kingsbane, or hold shiv for DM?

[stable apex]

Shiv so that your shiv covers the end of kingsbane

[brazen ivy]

oh ok got it, so on that one just shiv at 8 sec left on kingsbane

[stable apex]

If played correct you should always have 2 shivs for dm anyway

[brazen ivy]

i think i remember whispyr saying that now in a video, that you say it

thanks sir

[faint quartz]

And for the bleed builds, you shiv during heavy AoE when you’re sending CTs, right? But also right after a Deathmark? And another one after it finishes?

[brazen ivy]

That's what I've been doing. I just got 4p last night, then went right into Fractillus. Timing had me all over the place

[real pike]

was ready for a long old day of eco dome farming, and got lily my very first run

[stable apex]

You want to make sure you have 2 shivs for dm

[feral rune]

Guys, do we get 2nd spark for crafting this week? Or do we have to wait for crafting our 2nd item

[real pike]

2nd spark from weekly

[stable apex]

Yes

[stable apex]

Wdym sending cts

You don't spam ct

You just maintain it

[real pike]

guys the guide says 4pc doesn't change anything rotationally for Deathstalker, but wouldn't we send the dry shiv with 1 stack of DsM instead of during DN?

[stable apex]

I have been using it to proc DN and boost the DN env, because it felt right, not sure if it is the best play

Pls correct me if there is a better use

[balmy condor]

You’d cast it for the same reasons, but yes if you can avoid casting shiv onto a darkest night, you would

Moving the mark 1 forward is better than not doing so

Dry shiv is still good, bleed build aoe shiv for ct damage, deathmark/kb stuff all the same

[real pike]

just a nice QoL for those times your Lingering window is a bit tight

[balmy condor]

Just making sure you don’t shiv without mark up

[real pike]

sounds good, thank you

do you know why my DsM is being applied randomly in AoE when I have DN up?

I'm definitely missing something

[elfin fossil]

What’s dry shiv?

[real pike]

but I'll open on a new pack with the standard gar - gar - rup - rup and my mark will be applied

and I have no idea what's doing it

[balmy condor]

Are you pressing ambush during subterfuge to apply caustic

[real pike]

I'm 90% sure I'm not, but it could be full autopilot I guess

[balmy condor]

Buffing a darkest night envenom during lingering darkness, read the rotation guide on wowhead

[real pike]

will check next key I do

[stable apex]

Mby you had DN from last pack dying? Idk

[real pike]

yeah I do have DN

but I'm not envenoming

[stable apex]

Hm

[elfin fossil]

Can’t read, ty!

[balmy condor]

(It should be ambush gar rup rup btw)

[real pike]

even if I have DN left over from the last pack?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[real pike]

I did not know that

because we want to start the DsM cycle quicker or ambush bigger number or another reason?

[balmy condor]

Having mark up > not having mark up

[real pike]

nice and simple for my smooth brain