assassination

[deft galleon]

Whispyr has a 3hr video on it on YT

[radiant aspen]

ok i see ill check whispyr

thanks alot

[versed cove]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[raw marlin]

No one cares about any of these shit games.

Gamecom you suck.

[waxen oyster]

because there isnt a general best one.

Dented ass ideology

[deep gyro]

Your offpiece is the one that doesn’t complete ur 4p

[waxen oyster]

Well yeah this early on, barely anyone has the luxury to "pick" their 4p.

[errant heath]

I did sim and the results are i think off.
Myth track sac and crystal sim lower than a myth track chest? Should i be comparing them to max level upgrades?

[waxen oyster]

Chest is alot of stat

[coral ibex]

yea its the largest stat allocation you can equip

big main stat good

[ocean ore]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/T3YAnVRXDkbtPf4m?fight=last can someone help me about this? feeling my ST extremely low in m+

[errant heath]

oh I see. I was always told trinket = big dmg right after weapon

[waxen oyster]

sac isnt even that crazy

[vale shore]

I wish they could just tell us when the Midnight reveal is... so I can tune in for that.

[errant heath]

didn't consider chest to be that crucial

[coral ibex]

chest and legs are usually better investments than trinkets unless the trinket is insanely overtuned

bc of the stat allocation

[vale shore]

That is where most of your organs are!

[errant heath]

hah lol

I see okay will just pick the best sim then

[waxen oyster]

chest helm legs

all 3 are the big items

[vale shore]

literally 95% of your organs are in these parts of your body!

[waxen oyster]

busted trinkets are outliers

and honestly neither sac or crystal are busted

I'd prob take hero soulhunter shoes over either of them...

ngl

[twilit cargo]

i see ppl having 25m+ damage on a big pull (flood first pull as e.x) i only get to like 14m. but i dont have any set or trinket that is good. does those things really make the diff or over 10m more damage in a pull?

[coral ibex]

yes tier and good trinkets are massive

[twilit cargo]

like literally double my damage massive?

[coral ibex]

well 4p is an enormous gain, like 15+%

if not more

[waxen oyster]

if you dont have an on use trinket its not gonna help

[main bridge]

You could be making mistakes also

[royal lantern]

well, if you have a good trinket that means high amount of stats

and high amount of stats on big enemy counts translate into big numbers

[coral ibex]

yea theres probably some skill issue, are you potting, are you getting good crit luck

[twilit cargo]

i am probably but i cant see how many i do without having the same gear as others bc everyone has set and i dont

[vital torrent]

Is there a poison better in mm+ or raid to apply to weapon?

[twilit cargo]

not potting either

[main bridge]

Yes you can - by logging your keys

[twilit cargo]

but i dont know how much damage im supposed to do

[coral ibex]

ive done 25m+ on that first flood pull, but im potting and i have tier

[twilit cargo]

or do u mean rotation compare

[unborn wharf]

with tierset DS at the kingsbane you send the 1 shiv at 11 seconds kingsbane remaining right

[royal lantern]

m+ tends to favor mindnumbing for the non-lethal, Raids Atrophic instead

[twilit cargo]

do u maybe know how much u did before set

[main bridge]

I’m talking about rotation mistakes and such. Not using potion is a big mistake also

[twilit cargo]

how much damge is a potion

in a first pull

with bl

[royal lantern]

much

[coral ibex]

well i was doing 15m+ in aoe pulls last season

[summer cape]

!weakaura

[coral ibex]

so probably around there

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[twilit cargo]

im doing 12m around that

[waxen oyster]

pot and shit does alot

[twilit cargo]

without set and pot

and no good trinkets

[coral ibex]

no good on use, no tier, no pot

yea ur gonna be missing a lot of dam

[waxen oyster]

Over 20 quite easy when i got pot and maghar going

[twilit cargo]

what about st in m+

does that also get way better

[coral ibex]

the number goes higher but the experience is the same

[humble verge]

legit

[coral ibex]

you are energy starved

[devout jolt]

Most likely a dumb question, is there a macro for Blindside? So if it's active, I can cast Ambush but if not, I cast Mut?

[twilit cargo]

ye

[humble verge]

soulbinder on mythic

aint that hard

[coral ibex]

no

[humble verge]

its just a heal check

[coral ibex]

ambush replaces mutilate

[humble verge]

and somewhat dps to kill down adds

[coral ibex]

you cannot cast mutilate with a blindside proc

like your mutilate button literally becomes ambush

no macro required

[devout jolt]

ahhh, so I dont need ambush on my bars out of stealth

tyty ❤️

[waxen oyster]

very few pure st scenarios in keys

I guess second boss priory is one? end that at like 2.5m is ok ig

[unborn wharf]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[lyric gate]

not sure what i think about the 4 set

isnt that mega shit

reducing my cds and off synch my trinket

[royal lantern]

you get 90sec trinkets

lily or prism

cus you are a 90sec spec with fatebount tier

[lyric gate]

🙁

[versed cove]

Would you say there’s a big diff between 2 and 4set?

[lyric gate]

will miss this badboy

[royal lantern]

i mean, you play ritual forge on the raid fightrs where you play DS

[versed cove]

Currently have 2set but my gears not amazing, 675 secondary weap and not a lot of optimized stuff

[royal lantern]

which is 3 fights

and m+ ofc

[oblique plover]

Would love some guidance if anyone has any..

I cant for the life of me decide what to pick

[lyric gate]

tier

[oblique plover]

Between Shoulders, Sac and Forge

[versed cove]

Sim or take shoulders

[lyric gate]

shoulder 100%

ah lol

its na

[untold echo]

ya'll crafting the bracers as 2nd craft?(1st was wep)

[normal mist]

i will yeah

[untold echo]

bet

[lyric gate]

eggsac is bait

had one on myth track last tier and it was always worse

first tier*

[summer viper]

which offpieces do we want

offpiece*

[waxen oyster]

Doesnt matter you can wear all 5.

[narrow harbor]

Hi, I can not decide on what to take here for sin, would love anyone's advice on what would be best.

[summer viper]

since i hate raiding netherprism

[dense cedar]

our off-piece is obviously chest because its the deepest into the raid

[frigid pilot]

how bad is a high vers low mastery ring for sin

endgame wise

[summer viper]

my gear is turbo ass but at least i got the boots - netherprism left and then i finally never ever have to see that raid again

[dense cedar]

avoidance pog

wait

6/6

[waxen oyster]

tauren rogue

[frigid pilot]

TITLE INC

[dense cedar]

hmm

[frigid pilot]

Seriously though

[dense cedar]

big crest invest

[summer viper]

[frigid pilot]

either that or i take mythic chest for 4 weeks later when i get more cata charges

[lyric gate]

wont get mythic upgrades from vault

zac not helping me

with my key

[gusty lichen]

anyone have any idea how upgrading a crafted piece is a dps loss? currently equipped at 681

[lyric gate]

@midnight mist

[desert vault]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[coral ibex]

are you using droptimizer

[midnight mist]

noob

[coral ibex]

you should use top gear to compare

[lyric gate]

🙁

[gusty lichen]

oh, ok. ya was using droptimizer

[lyric gate]

from hardmode ?

[midnight mist]

no thats form loomidude bozo

[lyric gate]

oh

gaming

[midnight mist]

ye

thats why you dont craft daggers

[waxen oyster]

knowing my luck we gonna gte 2 to drop

[desert vault]

Probably just Prism right? Still don't have 4pc, sad, the boots are nice but also will be replaced by heroic track special raid boots I'm guessing.

[waxen oyster]

while im the only yellow

[raw marlin]

dw still not 1 single thing i give a fuck about lol

if they put midnight at start then everyone just leaves

[lyric gate]

wtf is council guile

enchant

[vale shore]

the crit one

[grave osprey]

!stats

[midnight mist]

crit enchant

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[midnight mist]

you didnt watch whyspir video?

[desert vault]

hmm or maybe not, sims showing 723 crit/mast boots like 30k ahead of 710 interloper's boots, interesting

[midnight mist]

noob

[lyric gate]

nope

[main bridge]

[lyric gate]

waiting for swifty to make rogue guide

[midnight mist]

not watching whyspur videos in smh my head

[humble verge]

alr

[grave osprey]

Why? You have a 2 hour long video of everything assa

[humble verge]

now that shiv is 10s

for 4p

how does that work for raid

[grave osprey]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[lyric gate]

just dont shiv

[humble verge]

jaha.

so we are just 1 shivving

[grave osprey]

In m+?

[humble verge]

raid.

[waxen oyster]

#assassination message

[unborn rain]

where do we get the quest for the 707 crest

[royal lantern]

finish the new zone storyline

last quest is beating the boss

[astral nymph]

what belt disc buff are using lightning bolt or critical chains?

[lyric gate]

you just shiv

before kings

and on the last 8 sec

and ignore the down window

[rose inlet]

Rules stay the same pretty much shiv after your first one ends in dm

[lyric gate]

so rather shiv instnat ?

you migh tbe right

no deathmark

[thorny kraken]

trinket question, i have 2 set and the following trinkets, Lily of the eternal Weave, Sacbrood and Netherprism. Which combo would be considered best for raid?

[rose inlet]

Guide says shiv after first one ends in opener yeah

[lyric gate]

y prolly might do that too

[cinder geode]

how big of an upgrade is deathstalker 4p?

reading it it doesnt look that great

[main bridge]

Large

I might go as far as saying it’s XXL

[cinder geode]

ig im misunderstanding it

[main bridge]

[dense cedar]

shiv good button in m+

shiv boost very good

deathstalker talents good

boosting them also good

it all makes ense

[royal lantern]

no, please elaborate more

[dense cedar]

when number bigger, it hurts enemy more

or so they say

[north prawn]

that's a gd lie!

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/noted-black-guy-thug-shaker-discord-caption-gif-25597417

[supple ether]

Is nightelf much better than maghar for m+ ?

dps wise

[royal lantern]

racials dont matter for dmg

[humble verge]

maghar orc says something else

[humble verge]

maghar - most dps
nelf - free "vanish"
dwarf - 1 extra cloak

[royal lantern]

idk man, i got my 98-100 this week and i dont play a shity orc or elf

[humble verge]

ok lil bro

but you got like

actual raiders in your raid

we are 2/8 now

time to spend

1h15 on loomithar

[royal lantern]

we didnt even fully clear heroic mate

wdym

[humble verge]

what

i thought you were pumper

wait

no thats nooj i guess

[sand jewel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal lantern]

i mean, im probably better then a chunk of people, but we are also just doing 5 1/2 hours a week,

[humble verge]

jesus the amount of hp

we extended to a

SEAL 6 tuesday raid

last season

we did it for gally

this tier we do it for 3/8

which is giga tbh

actually improving

[main bridge]

I don’t get it just use some bug spray

[royal lantern]

C R I N G E

optional raiddays

"optional"

[humble verge]

well

[royal lantern]

[humble verge]

its optional

but 20 people signed up

we get potentially

free tier myth

or maybe astral antenna

[royal lantern]

its optional, and if you dont come you are not in next week because "we now dont wanna swap the team sorry" and also dont get loot anymore

[humble verge]

[royal lantern]

i love "optional" raids

[humble verge]

only first week

[fresh kelp]

our added raid day this tier provided 2 mythic antenna

[humble verge]

this is a SEAL 6 first week raid

only first week of a raid tier

then we go back to 3 raid days

wed/sun/mon

[fresh kelp]

same

[rose dirge]

guys quick question

on prison first boss taza

you let him walk into you with cloak on and its good?

[royal lantern]

you can literally cloak the prison so it doesnt happen in the first place

[rose dirge]

yeah so you cloak when he casts it on you

[dry night]

Wait really?

[rose dirge]

pre cloak the cast right?

[royal lantern]

no?

cloak when its on you and the cast ends, what else lol

[rose dirge]

yeah thats what i said

[still silo]

hello all, is it bad spreading of dmg abilities for ARA +7?
should i have more in something and less in other

[main bridge]

Caustic spatter should probably be higher but if you want in depth analysis you should log your keys

[subtle tundra]

part of the pipeline

in a tier or two youre gonna be 4 day guild

[humble verge]

nah

[analog egret]

when you guys are doing the giga pulls in M+, do you spend all of IC throwing out ruptures? Or get into Spatters quicker

[humble verge]

well

if we hit HoF goal

maybe?

but most people cant commit 4 days

[subtle tundra]

thats what they always think

[hollow fulcrum]

do we get another catalyist this week

or is that next week

[humble verge]

next week

so not current

but next reset

if ure on NA

EU its in 2* resets

[lyric gate]

zac got 2 charges this week

[humble verge]

eys

for 2k

[hollow fulcrum]

i have a catalyst charge

do i go for trinket considering i have 665 trinkets or go tier

[grizzled geyser]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[coral ibex]

rip no 10 vault

[hollow fulcrum]

for 2 piece and save cata for 4 piece

[coral ibex]

that could have been myth wep

[old terrace]

if I don't have raidbots premium do I have to droptimize each individual dungeon?

[marsh ferry]

ambush gar rup rup gar gar CT mut DM shiv. By the time I finish, IC is almost out but I have my 5 ruptures out for scent

[hollow fulcrum]

nvm i kinda just answered my own question

[uncut vapor]

are you guys doing heroic wrists this week or gilded wrists?

[royal lantern]

that heavy depeends on your vault

[coral ibex]

gilded

got a myth weapon

and have 4p

[analog egret]

is maintaining 5 ruptures the most point of rupture? besides energy. the CT and Spatter doing most of the damage in huge pulls?

[coral ibex]

5 ruptures is for max stacks of scent of blood

20% extra agility

4% per rupture

[analog egret]

Ye, that does seem good

My M+ damage in 10s is fine, usually 5mil overall...but I feel like its pretty low for where Assa should be

[coral ibex]

its like having the bonus agi from a trinket but it wont expire

[coral ibex]

are you shivving enough

shiv is huge for assa aoe as bleed

[marsh ferry]

Sometimes you have to pay attention to making sure the ruptures are going on the big mobs and not all on shitter mobs. Else you’re 1/4 of the way in CDs and you are suddenly down to 1 stack of scent

[coral ibex]

assuming you are playing bleed

[analog egret]

I think so, we still save two shivs for DM right?

[coral ibex]

yes

but you have multiple shivs available between DM

[analog egret]

Ya I mostly use the dry shivs when I CT

[coral ibex]

and shiv is enormous for aoe

esp with tier

but even without

[lyric gate]

i mean

if you do 5 m

and gladiuator rogue does 6

not that bad

[analog egret]

but I watch casualaddict do like 12mil overall

haha

[lyric gate]

[coral ibex]

yea he's got a lot more gear and probably a better comp and his tank pulls around cd's

and he's a better player

[royal lantern]

lies

[coral ibex]

[royal lantern]

casual is in the name

[coral ibex]

better than me at least

[lyric gate]

casual is built different

[viscid cloak]

so, I need some insight real quick, Im wanting to craft the dagger, is the gilded crest the only other optional regeant, aside from missive and embellishment ?

[lyric gate]

and they pull everything with funnel

[coral ibex]

and spark obv

[royal lantern]

make sure its the agility dagger

and not the int one

[lyric gate]

like makes huge difference if i pull 4-5 addds in boss finish that on 6-7 mill

or doing 2.5 mill single

[viscid cloak]

gotcha! thanks a bunch!

[coral ibex]

yea good tanks will pull trash into bosses for funnel specs

instantly doing double dps

[raw marlin]

wow time

gamescom

https://www.twitch.tv/gamescom

[oblique sorrel]

I was cruising at 8 on a 10 floodgate before the healer and tank bricked it 😔

[lyric gate]

how is the tank enchant

crit*

cvalled

[oblique sorrel]

No tier 690 ilvl

It’s our time I feel it

[real pike]

guys thoughts on Deathstalker vs Fatebound on Dimensius without 4pc?

[lyric gate]

fatebound

on every boss

no headaches

[humble verge]

watafakk

[real pike]

for damage purposes :p I like DS

[oblique sorrel]

I ran death stalker and yea fatebound is the way now

[peak badger]

Why is my tails damage so low?

[real pike]

4pc?

[real pike]

4pc?

[peak badger]

i have

[humble verge]

only now, it feels like FB = DS since u still just have to finish your CDs

[lyric gate]

2 piece

[humble verge]

especially now

when im progging on loomithar

the tethers spawn so fast

[lyric gate]

is normal only

[humble verge]

but im still not even half way into my cds

[lyric gate]

day 2

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/perenolde/churki?difficulty=3

all fatebound

[gloomy radish]

Hello i m not talented to this, as assa rogue what poisons should i use ?

[oblique sorrel]

I’m rusty but I’m not far behind the bum with 4p

Bm hunter

[peak badger]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2jLakgYZ9mGzqFNv?fight=12&type=damage-done&source=11

[runic hinge]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[lyric gate]

looks weird

[real pike]

fair

yeah I just tried DS out of curiosity and it's just not as good

and I don't even have high crit

[raw marlin]

any void elf rogues in here? is it fun or any good uses of the teleport?

[lyric gate]

its better for mythic + and giga cleave for sure

but i dont wanna mess with lost marks and traget swap

[distant plinth]

Huh? Do they have teleport?🤣

[grave osprey]

Wow, so DH get a midrange spec but rogue doesnt

[raw marlin]

yes?

[real pike]

yeah I thought maybe because of the adds in p1 and intermission on dimensius DS might do some work

[distant plinth]

Is it better than shadowstep

[raw marlin]

well you still have shadowstep its like a beam thing you then teleport too

like lee sin lol

[distant plinth]

Hahahaha didnt even know that

[raw marlin]

yh also new dh spec confirmed

devourerer

[waxen oyster]

wtf is "mid range" though

[balmy condor]

Evoker

[royal lantern]

whisp, where are the new dh spec sims

[marsh fjord]

Man where is my ethereal allied race i got scammed

[wicked carbon]

Can someone help identify the mistakes on this floodgate first pull ? I'm not doing as much damage as I'd like
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XFwC81MVKYk3xQWc?fight=1&type=casts&source=5&view=timeline

[vale furnace]

is having 2 crafted daggers bad? I crafted a 702 dagger last week with ascension and I can craft a 720 piece this week. Guide says to go for wrists next but my sims are two daggers?

[lyric gate]

dont craft 2 daggers

craft bracers

[peak badger]

Why is my tails damage so low and how can i improve it?https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2jLakgYZ9mGzqFNv?fight=12&type=damage-done&source=11

[haughty flicker]

its red mage

[dense cedar]

recraft ur dagger to 720

[haughty flicker]

from ffxiv

[dense cedar]

smh giving DH a brez

[vale furnace]

okay ty guys

[waxen oyster]

i dont play that furry game

[coral ibex]

i was just saying its literally rdm lol

[wicked carbon]

That depends on your goals this season. If you only play the first few weeks 2nd dagger can be worth it if you don't get myth weapon from your vault but the goal is to have your crafter dagger go off hand and replace by a myth weapon on the main hand

[dense cedar]

but wow is the furry one?

[coral ibex]

wow is way more furry just fyi

[waxen oyster]

people play worgen?

[dense cedar]

druid exists

[waxen oyster]

[coral ibex]

bro you havent seen the way people act around tauren druids

and it shows

[vale furnace]

gonna fish for vault and spam as many 10s as I can. ty though sounds like I should upgrade my current and get some wrists

[waxen oyster]

why would anyone play tauren druid

when nelf exists

[old terrace]

moo

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/tauren-wow-dance-gif-12155358

moo

[waxen oyster]

tauren sucks though

[coral ibex]

you can't milk those

[dense cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/tauren-wow-dance-gif-12155358

[coral ibex]

or can you?

[old terrace]

My first m+ season, finally got 2000 io, I'm so happy 😄

[balmy condor]

Also that is one dagger and the big % increase one is stiletto, which sims that high because Droptimizer ignores embellishment limits

[zenith coral]

we get spark off rip or gated behind anything?

[balmy condor]

Weekly box like every week

[zenith coral]

new race looks weird asf too

ty!

[waxen oyster]

idk i see a male tauren druid i just kick

usually

[balmy condor]

Np

[wicked carbon]

Whyispyr please make me see the error of my ways 🙏
Zak — 21:58
Can someone help identify the mistakes on this floodgate first pull ? I'm not doing as much damage as I'd like
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XFwC81MVKYk3xQWc?fight=1&type=casts&source=5&view=timeline

[lyric gate]

maybe read the guide

and follow the rotation

good start

[waxen oyster]

rank 2 enchants

what the helly

[wicked carbon]

Ye I definitely haven't done that a dozen times already

[wicked carbon]

I don't rank 3 on champion gear that I'm gonna replace soon anyway

[minor dagger]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[waxen oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/looks-like-somebody-is-broke-krystalogy-gen-g-it-seems-like-youre-broke-i-think-youve-no-money-gif-22144067

[neat remnant]

Do I need to track coins or anything with fatebound or is it kind of just a let them fall as they will

[wicked carbon]

Don't do me like that bro, we go way back from season 1 from the outlaw discord even though you have forgotten me

[waxen oyster]

Not having an on use trinket doesnt help opening damage

[wicked carbon]

So just get gear ?

[dense cedar]

true evil is there's no kick in there

[waxen oyster]

I mean first pulls arent reflective of the entire key

[oblique sorrel]

The first pull usually dictates the main output though. Pull 30 mil on the first pull and your damage will be higher throughout

Unless you crap out on the other pulls

[wicked carbon]

Pretty sure Whyspir told me it was fine to shiv before dm

[dense cedar]

how did u only use cloak twice

[chrome mirage]

For FB, the 45sec KB is only used with one shiv charge right?

[oblique sorrel]

At 8 seconds remaining I think

[royal lantern]

yes

[chrome mirage]

Thats what I figured, ty

[royal lantern]

yes

[woven ruin]

Does council's guile stack?

[turbid sandal]

is our OH dps still more or less useless, in terms of what to upgrade?

[main bridge]

Yes OH is the last priority and your sims should reflect that

[cyan lily]

any suggest?

[lyric gate]

trinket

if not

you get raid trinkets on myth track

then prolly not

[balmy condor]

Yeah looks like either prism or empowering crystal I guess

[balmy condor]

Could grab belt as well but that’s pretty long term

[real pike]

I have failed us

[oblique sorrel]

Unfortunately I HAVE to take a tier p for 4 set today

If it’s not there I’m 😔

[lyric gate]

unfortunately

be happy when you get 4 pc 🧢

:D*

[ruby quail]

hello 🙂 any suggest?

[vale shore]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[oblique sorrel]

Lily

[lyric gate]

bro got all the trinkets in the game

wtf

[zealous trout]

I suggest you install English language client

[rocky sable]

But reshii wraps boots tho

[lyric gate]

take lilly

[oblique sorrel]

Lirio

[lyric gate]

not even close

[rocky sable]

oh really?

[ruby quail]

I simulated and recommended the boots that give 40% more proc to the cloak, but I feel that the trinket is super BiS

[humble verge]

@balmy condor new barrell meme

not having to do damage on tethers

[rocky sable]

I would pref BiS too

[humble verge]

cause its not worth to swap

guild still wont realize

[oblique sorrel]

Damn

Yea is it Lilly over 4 p?

[rocky sable]

Question on cleave fights, I feel like my dps should be higher but it looks like ST dps. I"m also new to sin so do we caustic or do we swap targets and add garrote and stuff?

[wicked carbon]

Lily is like a 1% upgrade for me

And I don't have good trinkets

[balmy condor]

Both

[midnight mist]

!guide

[balmy condor]

Your main energy in aoe comes from rupture

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

So that should be your spread

[wicked carbon]

Outlaw is cooked

[balmy condor]

After that you’re envenoming for caustic

[lusty kraken]

I am not sure if I'm doing something wrong, but sometimes my CDs have a weird desync as fatebound

[balmy condor]

The 4pc is bugged

[distant plinth]

Wait you crafted a 702 dagger? Do you have a myth track dagger? If not you might want to consider recrafting the dagger to 720 😅😅😅

[lusty kraken]

anything I can do to work around it?

[ocean ore]

whispyr, do u mind to help me with this log? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cBFJgTLnDy3kCXzd?fight=last&type=damage-done

[balmy condor]

No

It just happens

Difficult to control

[midnight mist]

it is indeed

[sand sigil]

does auto tank md not work for u guys anymore?

[ocean ore]

feeling my overall low asf

[vale shore]

no, I have to set a focus and use a focus macro

[warm vortex]

That is one of the best vaults i've ever seen

Holy shiy

[balmy condor]

Do you mean this one? Cause it works for me

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[neat rain]

You guys think I replace one of the rings or just go with literally the hero version of my champion chest?

[chrome mirage]

rare jpc appears

[distant plinth]

Show me ur vault @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Haven’t opened

[balmy condor]

That ring isn’t ideal, would probably want to sim it and see

[rocky sable]

Also, is mastery capped at some point or should I even it out with some crit?

[runic hinge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[hexed root]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uPKrH3sbwr3R7tCzpyb1eQ cant wait to break 5mil

[grave osprey]

Can confirm

[cerulean sandal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[faint tapir]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sleek frigate]

Uhhh Unyielding Netherprism in vault - Listed as S on guide but not BiS. Grab it over tier?

[wide quail]

I played my rogue for the first night.. i am impressed with the defensive abilities and the game play overall

[cursive hatch]

check into some more crit options, might be able to optimize it a bit further if you want
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4fEm3C524yjS8djryTQkh3

[sand sigil]

ohhh i must be missin somethin there tytyt

[hexed root]

my gems never seem to change around, think it's relevant to just gem full crit/mast even though sim isnt saying anything?

[balmy condor]

Any time

[cursive hatch]

not sure how much crit you have on gear though, I don't have a ton and antenna gave me a bunch to swap out my crit ring for vers/mastery and instead send crit gems

[hexed root]

i want your trinkets hahah

[sand sigil]

ok yeah still doesnt work idk loll

[cursive hatch]

got antenna today from vault after running a 691 warpstrike all week

[sand sigil]

its like im missing whatever button its clicking or something

[runic hinge]

Did you download the weakaura

[sleek frigate]

Anything on this? I do fatebound for ST Raid but otherwise Deathstalker

[cursive hatch]

thats around the amount when it wanted more mastery/vers. When I dropped the crit ring back down to around 12k it wanted full crit enchants and gems even with antenna

[coral ibex]

you need the weakaura that is linked in the command

!tott

[balmy condor]

Yeah idk it’s just weakaura + macro

[sand sigil]

ya i have it

[coral ibex]

are you sure you're talented into tricks

[hexed root]

yea, i dont think I've had a sim CHANGE existing gems

just different if I unsocket

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[dense cedar]

do u have the setting ticked that lets that happen?

[hexed root]

what setting? I have 13 gems selected

omfg

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’ll do it

Get ready for your iterations to skyrocket

[dense cedar]

u click that and ur combinations will explode

[hexed root]

yea immediately lmfao

[balmy condor]

Yeah and with 13 gems selected, the page is probably going to lag to shit

I would uncheck the box, then uncheck the gems

Then recheck the box

[dense cedar]

gem simming is legit horrid

gotta get that uh

[balmy condor]

It’s also not that helpful

[hexed root]

there we go

[dense cedar]

2.1k dps tho

at best

don't forget ur diamond

[coral ibex]

you should include the diamond

otherwise it wont

[balmy condor]

You end up with like 1200 combinations in high precision and all of them are equal

It’s pretty rough

[cursive hatch]

my sims want me to replace the diamond all the time

[shrewd grotto]

guys i had so'leahs, pacemaker, and araz in my vault, and the plexus ring, i still took tier tho since i dont even have 2pc yet

[balmy condor]

Are you using the only max color box

[dense cedar]

so'leahs lame doodoo anyways

[balmy condor]

If you don’t check the max color box, it’ll only fill with single colors

[neat rain]

Damn, really the ring is pushing I wanna say 7k ahead in the sims running a sim to see if I cata the hero chest if it would be better

[proper pendant]

i got the hero ring with crit and gloves in vault

[cursive hatch]

I wasn't, though I figure its probably super small anyway since it should be checking the combinations and it doesn't really matter

[proper pendant]

either i go ring and or risk not getting 4 set

or i just make 4 set rn

literally what i didnt want

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t check the combinations without that box

[dense cedar]

u not likely to be given a curio to reach 4p?

[balmy condor]

In order to save processing power it checks the same gem in every slot

[proper pendant]

i pug

everything

im a solo player

[balmy condor]

I’m sorry to hear that

[proper pendant]

i could try and buy one

[dense cedar]

i'd suggest playing a different videogame

[balmy condor]

Pugging is hard

[proper pendant]

i just work in EMS i got like super shit times for raiding

[cursive hatch]

pugging is legit horrible, I'm sorry

[balmy condor]

Godspeed

[sleek frigate]

You'll get 4 set eventually 100% of the time tho

[coral ibex]

if ur not making the clanker work hard, what are you even doing

[proper pendant]

true

might be a big ring angle

[cursive hatch]

makes sense from a saving processing stance, though kinda goes against principal of least surprise. Wasn't aware of it skipping over combinations like that

[balmy condor]

Yeah simming gems is a mess

[hexed root]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iCERNWN281DsEPDSPjevba well it changed some gems, not all, and wants to get rid of the diamond

[balmy condor]

But if you had every person simming like 8 gems and all combos would need to be checked

Raidbots would actually grind to a halt

Like you would just be stuck with a queue of sims that take literally hours

[balmy condor]

Yeah this a good example of that

[hexed root]

where is this setting?

[balmy condor]

No max color so it’s always the same thing

[coral ibex]

4.5m at 703 wtf

[hexed root]

i see it

[balmy condor]

Bro is geared

[coral ibex]

no i mean

i sim more at less ilvl

[balmy condor]

Oh yeah sure

[cursive hatch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jQN3NeRBLH8cZDwQuecdtc
yay, it gained 11k dps

[hexed root]

link?

[balmy condor]

Exile is like 704 and scratching 5

But ya know

[coral ibex]

gross

[balmy condor]

Funnel

[coral ibex]

we've had basically 0 zenith drops

[dense cedar]

Zenith is fake

[balmy condor]

We had to put 4 curios on zenith last week

I feel it

[coral ibex]

yep same here

[cursive hatch]

our entire normal and heroic run was venerated besides a couple drops. I luckily got the one zenith we saw and a normal curio

[dense cedar]

since it only gives giver to the shitter specs

the game hates us for it

[coral ibex]

i got the one normal zenith that dropped since i got hero tier in vault for 2p

literally 0 zenith in heroic tho

[cursive hatch]

I was unlucky and didn't have tier in my vault last week

[coral ibex]

hope we get better luck this week

[hexed root]

man this is annoying

[sleek frigate]

I guess I take the netherprism and hope I get some tier in vault next week lol

[coral ibex]

our warriors are dooming so hard

[neat rain]

I REALLY just need to replace my stinky veteran dagger shit hurts my soul T_T already crafted my big boy dagger

[coral ibex]

its rough

[hexed root]

lets see ittt

[coral ibex]

your offhand can and should be the last thing you upgrade

[rotund oak]

a good day in my book

[coral ibex]

dont worry about your offhand

[rotund oak]

for every warrior crying a puppy smiles

[wet apex]

lost netherprism to ret :3

[fresh kelp]

belt is on electric current, neck is unfortunate, cloak gem is on mastery. for fatebound you are very low crit

[wet apex]

not even good for them

[proper pendant]

bro this sim

is taking a year

7k crit ring or gloves to make 4 set

[hexed root]

what should belt be on? I've just been following my sims

[proper pendant]

holy fuck

[runic hinge]

I’m worried about when we get to hold hands

[fresh kelp]

crit chain will almost certainly sim higher if i had to guess

[rotund oak]

from 1 to 10,10 being omegahyped for midnight where do you stand after the reveal?

[balmy condor]

I haven’t seen anything for rogue

[hexed root]

lul guess I'll go get it

[balmy condor]

Just whatever wowhead released so far

I think housing is cool

[rotund oak]

meant purely for the cinematic

[dense cedar]

we showed up twice (2 times!) in the gameplay trailer

that's more than in patch notes

[rotund oak]

also new allied race

[vague dragon]

yo why i saw streamer using shiv at darkest night a lot of time its okay to do it ?

[dense cedar]

surely this means

[worn badger]

I hope they release some of the talent changes. This NDA is fing killing me

[dense cedar]

we are getting some love in midnight

[rotund oak]

paladin expansion

we all just cope

its void vs light

light wins

airgo paladins

[worn badger]

They're removing outlaw and making it a light based tank spec..

[hexed root]

can we still unlock belt powers? lmfao

[rigid fable]

the another biss craft items is the off hand dagger right?

[rotund oak]

a W in my book 🤝

[bold drum]

cursed has avoidance on it. this is a bait, right?

[rotund oak]

dont craft an OH.

[rigid fable]

what should i crafy instead another dag?

[worn badger]

Bracer

[coral ibex]

dagger + wrist usually

or waist

[rigid fable]

aight

[rotund oak]

MH into boots/wrists/belt for 2nd embelishment

[rigid fable]

thanks

[sand sigil]

@balmy condor ah ok i must have had a old wa

not the zac one

[coral ibex]

prob not boots bc of cloak embelli

[rigid fable]

yea i alreadyy have boottts the buff cloak

[rotund oak]

well well look who's back

[rigid fable]

its called Rune-Branded Armbands?

[neat rain]

Sims are in and they're saying I am Haste starved I think if I grab myself the chest I need to go and farm Halls for Signet of the False Accuser

[hexed root]

yes

[rigid fable]

thanks

[worn badger]

Do you think they're gonna change deathstalker to not require stealth to apply ?

[rare jackal]

holy fuck this 4pc bug

[pastel ermine]

pacemaker or shoulders.. im torn

[rare jackal]

maybe its sub all the way

[coral ibex]

still cranking almost 15m later

[hexed root]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7ySGXLTAqtag9GqBp8mtVt any advice on simming gems effectively? it is going up

[rigid fable]

and the emb one? @hexed root

[hexed root]

writhing armor band

for ascendance on the dagger

[rigid fable]

aight

[hexed root]

@balmy condor super neat about the weapon enchant change, how have you been liking council's guile?

[bold drum]

i don't raid, so i'd take pacemaker personally

[rain oyster]

Pissmaker > all

Shows critical piss everywhere

[worldly dock]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[rain oyster]

Spews

[humble verge]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/players-will-save-thousands-of-gold-in-midnight-with-free-transmogging-378217 actually pog

i think they saw the reddit post

[coral ibex]

yea except they're gonna spend all those thousands on housing items instead

[astral ingot]

Do i take sacbrood or gloves to catalyse?

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simulate-gif-8199108223823847654

[worn badger]

Tokens

[astral ingot]

Sims loading now 😄

[gusty pagoda]

kinda torn on what to grab, all the sims say the trinket. I've already got 4 piece but not taking the legs to cata is rough

[astral ingot]

more wondering if Sacbrood will be a BIS trinket or replaced by heroic raid ones

[worn badger]

Or tier if you get 2 or 4pc out it...

[hollow talon]

does anyone use stonebound artistry lately

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simulate-gif-8199108223823847654

[worn badger]

Sacbrood isn't even on the list is it?

[hollow talon]

sims good for me

[balmy condor]

I don't track weapon enchants so I don't notice them really

[dense cedar]

3.67m DPS at 701

im a true gamer

[balmy condor]

yeah that's fine too

secondary enchants in general are better

[worn badger]

At least lorthemar didn't die today lol

[warm vortex]

Whispy

I got good logs :D

Not rogue logs tho

Rat logs

[balmy condor]

congratulations!

[astral ingot]

Its on A tier but no explaination

[balmy condor]

oh

explanation for what

[warm vortex]

I can check my rogue ones rq

[haughty flicker]

[dense cedar]

wdym

[astral ingot]

Sac brood sorry, Unsure if i should take it over myth track tier in vault

[warm vortex]

Only have new 2pc and nothing else and I died on 3rd boss

[hexed root]

thats fair

[coral ibex]

this is why gem simming is bunk btw https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w8ZHyPy8jsLjmczRKXfoBD

[humble verge]

yes.

[coral ibex]

20 minutes of simming for 0.2% margin of error gain

[balmy condor]

its fine, just passive agi and some damage, nothing crazy

[golden loom]

same

I got fkin put in prison on soulbinder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[oblique kiln]

my sim is telling me to keep 2x2 instead of upgrading the new full 4pc? could someone look at my sim make sure i did this right? also my peices from last tier are like 655 and the new ones are like 680+ seems crazy

[red schooner]

Send the link

[sand otter]

cant check my vault yet.... still working.

[warm vortex]

Here’s link

[bronze horizon]

i feel like i'm doing significantly less damage today in keys, and I've gained 5 iL, 4 set, and a straight trinket upgrade in pacemaker. wtf is going on

[sleek frigate]

Is netherprism always worth picking up? It's in vault

[shrewd grotto]

its technically bis no? besides lily from ecodome

[hexed root]

you're simming higher because of that neck piece D: I've been farming that pos forever ;_;

[oblique kiln]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v5vrVcoGGGsH33faZ3juu2 i have shoulders i can catalyze and a chest in the GV and tier legs in my inventory that should make 4

[meager ginkgo]

Is there a world in which I don’t take a myth track Lily from vault

[spice surge]

Yes prism good

Going into a pack and popping an 18 stack

= pack is melting

[warm vortex]

What boss drops prism

[pure tide]

id take mythic track tier over mythic sac

[spice surge]

fract

[warm vortex]

Damn, I can’t get it on hero for my rogue

And on my hunter it’s probably useless

[agile wedge]

but do we want prism or do we want the forge thingy in the end?

[pure tide]

heroic antenna better than mythic trac sac

[red schooner]

When I select 4 set it says you don't have enough items, weird. Let me have a look.

[warm vortex]

I just want idk
Good stuff
Wow please bless my vault

Good mythic trinkets, tierset, maybe some powerful jewellery,

Anything

[cursive hatch]

prism is real good on MM, not sure about BM

[warm vortex]

Tbh

I only play BM rn

If I get 4set maybe marks

But the variance is fucking sickening

[oblique kiln]

Yea I have 671 shoulders I can catalyze in inventory

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gambling-gambler-gif-572068894331490223

Average MM dark ranger experience

[unreal heath]

do we get second spark this week or next

[warm vortex]

I believe so

Bloody hope so

Else I’d need to bank on a mythic eep

*wep

[dense cedar]

can get it today

[unreal heath]

tyty

[red schooner]

Yeah, I ain't sure why its being weird unless I'm missing something obvious.

[warm vortex]

Anyway imma sleep now

GL on vaults everyone
Debating weather to open it before my workout or after tmrrw morning

[red schooner]

But it ain't generating a combo with 4 set but I don't know why

[humble verge]

oi

servers went offline

lmao

i was gonna do one last key on my alt

[oblique kiln]

Alright I’ll prob just take the 4 set anyway it’s gotta be the best option

[red schooner]

I have guildies still running a key

[humble verge]

waterfuck

[red schooner]

Yeah, sorry about that, I can't work it out

[golden loom]

Got that midraid when I pressed cds, close game close battlenet and update both

[dense cedar]

there is an update

[humble verge]

ohhhhh

[wide flare]

One Question Guys. How much ST ~dps you do in M+ (10-12) on bosses (without adds). My ST feels so weak 😄

[humble verge]

eh.

oh nvm

[warm vortex]

Acc before I sleep

Shoutout to the ppl in my guild that have been on a hard mode taz run for 5 hours

[red schooner]

[warm vortex]

I started a raid and they were on hook tail

Finished 3 or so hours later
They were still on hook tail

[red schooner]

Progging

[cursive hatch]

we decided we didn't even want to try it until we had 3 dps with 4pc for that fight

[red schooner]

I decided I didn't want to do it.

It doesn't sound fun

So... nah

[elder gulch]

which trinket? cursed stone idol is simming better, but idk if that's some weird sim shit or real

[crisp venture]

do we get a cata this reset

aka tomorrow

[red schooner]

Nah, think its next week

[steel orchid]

If we want to take Iron Wire for keys, what should we drop? Or is doing that such a nerf to dps that it shouldn't even be considered. I PuG keys mostly so bringing more ways to stop casts helps

[humble verge]

do i even bother picking anything here on my 3rd rogue

i havent picked from pre-season vault

[viscid spear]

Where do you need spread interrupts that badly?

[golden loom]

Its even more awkward to take ironwire this season

[frozen rivet]

Im lacking at Assa. Im on 697 doing 4,5 Mil average at keys. Feels Like Not the Full Potential. Any Tipps ?

[golden loom]

Cause you for sure are never dropping 2 shiv charges or MA

[steel orchid]

My point, such a thing seemed like insanity

[viscid spear]

Idk either, I just spread my bleeds and vibe

[steel orchid]

in PuGs, you'd be surprised

[viscid spear]

That's more on them, not solely you

[golden loom]

Its maybe bonespike but that also makes the playing experience worse

[steel orchid]

I'm aware, but a failed key looks bad to future groups regardless

[frozen rivet]

In Single im around 2,5 mil which feels Like nothing (just Burst is 3,5)

[steel orchid]

But if its too much dps, I'd rather pump first

I just got a ton of value out of Iron Wire last season but it was easier to take

[brave chasm]

Hi, new to assassination. Would this damage breakdown be correct or am I doing something wrong? Saw someone else have Caustic Spatter as top overall

[viscid spear]

But when I die to a boss mechanic and I'm laying on the floor, I like to see I'm still doing damage with that spike

[golden loom]

True its legit infinite damage

[viscid spear]

[frozen rivet]

Would be interesting too. Whats the Right breakdown

[white marten]

You hold vanish for your 3m DM right? Not hold 1.5m DM until Vanish is ready?

that would be dumb

[hexed root]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ePpPmz9U88jTF41HqwXKBV wants me to go back to my 684 neck lolol

[zenith coral]

myth track pacemaker into lily first dung of day

poggers

[jaunty sky]

i just pugged it for the chance of hero prism

actual hell in there

[zenith coral]

we macro lily with dm correct?

[tight sparrow]

Anyone already talked about the bugfix?

[cursive hatch]

Yep, lily with deathmark. Prism with vanish for fatebound (if you get it sometime)

[balmy condor]

heh... a mythic sac is just a regular sac to an alpha like me.....

sorry

[zenith coral]

sweet preciate it!

sac weird for sims? had 691 delve trink "void-touched fragment" simming a bit higher

sac was also higher ilvl.. was weird

but maybe bc main stat?

[upper spear]

probably a minor nuance difference but is there a compelling reason to take Rushed Setup in raid? I feel like Unbreakable Stride is better?

[balmy condor]

nope, it's just that second slot is full of nonsense

trust the sims

[zenith coral]

fsfs just wasnt expecting that

[balmy condor]

unbreakable stride doesn't really do anything sadly (neither does rushed setup but ya know, at least when you need it, it's there)

[hybrid tide]

myth pacemaker or take hero legs to make 4 set this week for sin? did raid and didnt get any tier tokens

[balmy condor]

I'd probably take the pacemaker

[upper spear]

ty

[balmy condor]

heroic tier is like grains of sand on a beach in the next 2-3 weeks

[zenith coral]

send sim pacemaker was higher than a bunch of other myth slot pieces for me

[raw marlin]

for those pugging m+ etc.. how do you even do it, it truly is a wait fest even with your own key its downright impossible lol

its quicker to pvp

[frigid kestrel]

I fish lol

[hybrid tide]

simming rn just to see

[frozen iris]

Anybody else having issues with coldblood/kingbane macro? I have to press it several times to get it to work

[zenith coral]

pvp is a shitshow rn, was 2.6 in shuffs last ssn, a lot of overtuned stuff atm

[raw marlin]

but i run out of time to even finish 10s in vault lol

[balmy condor]

I should specify more, sorry. The issue with unbreakable stride is that it only reduces the duration of slowing effects if the effect is ONLY, SPECIFICALLY a debuff slowing effect. A lof the time slowing effects are attached to things like dots or ground effects or other boss mechanics. It's very rare for just a debuff with a slow effect and nothing else to appear, and then for that effect to also be worth reducing significantly

[frigid kestrel]

That or watch a movie on my other monitor

[shell quail]

so I've done some simming (hopefully correctly), and I feel like it's a no brainer on my vault choice but would value anyones opinion:
Sim 1 - take champion antennae or mythic pacemaker
Sim 2 - take the tier gloves and catalyse 2x hero pieces from my bags to go from S2 4pc to S3 4pc
I play m+ and am doing regular 10s now so i'll be getting myth track each week from there, raiding is only on norm still (lame) but will only push as high as AOTC

[gusty flare]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[warm vortex]

That’s going in the Whispyr message folder

[shell quail]

sim screenshot for comparison:

[hallow siren]

Do I need kingsbane in M+?

[warm vortex]

My fav one still has to be either the parent body swap or the long explanation of a mom joke

[hybrid tide]

assuming i still just go pacemaker?

[warm vortex]

No

[frigid kestrel]

Yea it sucks. I just like doing keys so I just sign up all the time while I’m watching TVs shows, movies, fishing, or even playing with me kids lol.

[zenith coral]

i simmed pace with ds

didnt do ST

but didnt have anything else really worth tbh

[soft drift]

what are using 2nd spark on

weapon + bracers?

[zenith coral]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[viscid spear]

What did you use 1st on?

[soft drift]

MH Dagger

[crude seal]

I kill Wolves and Bees

[viscid spear]

Ook, than yeah bracers

[humble ginkgo]

oh they fixed the cdr bug

awesome

[minor dagger]

shit thistle macro?

*shiv

[shell quail]

am I missing anything or is the gear choice that obvious that I'm doubting myself, haha

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-point-kronk-gif-13896471

[zenith coral]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[mint valve]

can you evasion money order on postmaster boss in streets to solo soak?

[zenith coral]

dont think so

not 100% sure tho

[hexed root]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5SCUSshVVsFfr8WTUSmCEV my dung slice finally finished

[modern harbor]

guys one quesiton. in our rota for example in single target. When we vanish.. do you use ambus as combopoints builder or multilate?

[lavish swan]

Myth belt or hero tier for 4 set mmmmm

[modern harbor]

a and i forgot to say of course with subtergurge

[frozen iris]

Na the coldblood kingsbane macro. When i press it. I have to press it several times for it to go off. Maybe kingsbane needs to be first. Im not sure

[raw marlin]

but how are you meant to even play the game like... ive always just swapped to offspec tank or heal to get keys done but that is impossible on rogue so its just braindead AFK time

[frozen iris]

Also is it normal for shiv not covering all of the fatebound kings bane opener?

both shivs

[mint valve]

myth track has lost a little bit of value because we get another myth piece from tazavesh every week

[viscid spear]

Order shouldn't matter
KB is on the GCD, CB is not.

[mint valve]

so dont feel bad getting bis hero track trinkets etc

[arctic bear]

hey, any obvious talent swaps for hard mode tazavesh?

[coral ibex]

full aoe bleed on packs and fatebound ST on bosses

swap in caustic for a few bosses

could go iron wire for the silence and damage reduction in aoe

[arctic bear]

alr

[hexed root]

wish it was that easy hahah

I think this is the highest my patchwerk sim is getting tonight: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qubLNKSCrgf6pSH8MtEnuW

[quasi steeple]

Is it worth to craft a 2nd weapon this week?

[coral ibex]

no

its almost never worth to craft a 2nd weapon

offhand is the least impactful slot

almost def better to craft your other embelli slot

[quasi steeple]

ok so, the "ideal" should be an offset piece for the embelish or the nontier armor piece

[coral ibex]

yea

i have wrist

[quasi steeple]

Got it

[stone eagle]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[stone eagle]

those have changed?

for s3

[shell quail]

S2 4-pc to S3 4-pc or myth track pacemaker? I'll get 4-pc in raid tonight but it'll be champ track item not hero track

[peak lake]

double 4p proc fixed

[balmy condor]

no

[stone eagle]

ty boss

[balmy condor]

nice

good fix