assassination

[soft arrow]

literally same choice, or hero tier lol

[old terrace]

sudden demise is the most satisfying thing in normal and heroic dungeons 🤤

[cursive finch]

what yall think

myth shoulders, or soleahs

[coral ibex]

im taking the weapon since 5 people on my token have 0p still

i'm not getting tier tokens from raid until they have 2p too

[hollow forge]

i think trinket is just the default choice here, im not 4p, im sitting on a cata charge and 2p with raid this week

[coral ibex]

i think i got legit the only tier token that dropped for my class last week

[kindred cliff]

do we craft a 2nd dagger this week?

[coral ibex]

never craft 2nd dagger

[kindred cliff]

thanks dad

[cursive finch]

y no 2nd dagger

[coral ibex]

offhand is the worst slot to upgrade

[obsidian marlin]

offhand is bad

[grim jay]

Would take lily for it being more versatile and not freely obtainable

[kindred cliff]

^ You'll never see a Myth Lily drop, but you can see Araz every week

[tranquil wing]

i have no tier pc, i should get the 691 chest?

[grim jay]

Would wait until you did the raid

But probably prism

More contested

[tranquil wing]

mm, make sense

[spice lagoon]

bro what as long as i keep that casutic spatter and tempest up im goodd

[prisma vortex]

cmthoughts?

[vernal crest]

any advice on whether mythic sacbrood is a trap?

[dense cedar]

tasty catalyst pieces

[static glacier]

it's deffo not a trap

good trinket, not bis but right after it

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

[prisma vortex]

what is looking good?

[rose inlet]

neck or chest man rough

[gleaming geyser]

(yes picture for ants, im remote desktop from work)

big vault

[shut coral]

so fucking tempted to go 4p, but lily on myth 😐

[main bridge]

is this a joke? you got three pieces of mythic tier

[high ravine]

So

Bloodmallet sims
Wowhead and Icy veins

all say different trinket for BiS

is there a better consensus here

I got a peacermaker in my vault but also glove tier piece so im hesitating a lot

[main bridge]

bloodmallet is made by simming gear you don't have. ignore bloodmallet and sim your own gear

[peak helm]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[past bobcat]

is this a lilly angle

i have hc prism tho

[shut coral]

def looks like a lily angle

but sim it

[wide quail]

How can I hide the combo point which is located beneath my character frame?

[prisma vortex]

its heroic xD. So the trinkets are bad?

[lucid horizon]

!fui

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[main bridge]

i think you take tier if you don't have it and if you don't need tier just sim the rest

[grim jay]

Would definitely go lily

[dense cedar]

tertiary persists through catalyst rgiht?

[grim jay]

Ye

[dense cedar]

I think I just take myth chest since its a later boss

[grim jay]

If they arent inherent

[shut coral]

so hella tempted, but sitting on a hero lily atm

[lofty nymph]

Do i use every sort of gem? like vers/haste/crit/mastery?

[severe meadow]

Good luck on vaults pookies

[tepid meadow]

guys i wanted my hero tier but i have to go pacemaker dont i

[viscid spear]

Socketed gems do not, however

[hexed root]

trash vault ;_;

[static glacier]

ye probably

[dense cedar]

was just about my vault, myth track chest piece with speed

[static glacier]

tier and ring are solid

[grim jay]

Thats a hero pacemaker isnt it? If so then definitely dont pick it

[dense cedar]

that ring is pretty sick

[static glacier]

owait hero track monka

[gleaming geyser]

that ring is crazy good

[viscid spear]

Oh I know, I'm just sad because I catalyzed an item on my Paladin and lost a gem

[stark sorrel]

how much should my DPS be in a m+ on big pulls ;-; I can't break 5M but i can do 7M on dummies @ilvl685
first time making a rogue and struggeling to find a rotation guide on youtube

[hexed root]

I've seen like 7 edicts now, ring is decent but I have it at hero.

[uneven sable]

what tier piece are we not wearing?

[viscid spear]

My silly ass is at work, still another 6 hours before I can see vault

[tepid meadow]

im still running myth house of cards/champion pacemaker

[grim jay]

Whispyr has the one and only recommended guide

On yt

[dense cedar]

hmm

[lofty nymph]

is this us ?

[dense cedar]

maybe should take head

[unborn dragon]

decent

[dense cedar]

i do have a socket to put in it

[viscid spear]

How do you have Mythic House but Champion ISP?

[tepid meadow]

isp from this season. i have shit luck on trinks

[stark sorrel]

I have it open ATM but a 3hr video is horrifying to watch

[viscid spear]

Oh, I'm thinking you still had it from last season

[tepid meadow]

nah 691

[viscid spear]

I'm going to be sad to get rid of my Myth track Pacemaker, but everything comes to an end

[grim jay]

Well he has timestamps

For the stuff you wanna know

[remote heath]

Is Myth warpclaw worth taking over Hero tier helm (would only give me 2-set)? Warpclaw seems good for M+

[coral ibex]

im so big rn hell yea

[stark sorrel]

i couldn't find the rotation but i forgot i can just ctrl+F watching it now

[viscid spear]

Pajama fit

[grim jay]

Its probably not but sim warpclaw vs obtainable items

[tepid meadow]

what's the verdict fellas do I wait for myth ISP to replace champ ISP or just take the hero one

[coral ibex]

comfy mode

[strong tide]

is there any way to change what stat so'leahs sims with?

[grim jay]

You definitely dont take any (m+) hero slots unless its tier or contested raid items

If there is anything else thats useful

[main bridge]

yeah if you sim it you'll see a line like "shadowlands.soleah..." and it has a stat

i'm not sure if it's in the UI anymore

[pearl mauve]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lofty nymph]

!socket

[vague dragon]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[strong tide]

dont think its in the ui, where would i see this?

[main bridge]

in the sim output

[hollow forge]

If we crafted dagger are we crafting wrists this week?

[strong tide]

this just tells me what stat it is right? it defaults to haste

[stark sorrel]

wait we are crafting in a specefic order? oh god im lost

[hollow forge]

i think our default si dagger/wrists no?

[viscid spear]

I know I am.
Gotta keep those embellishments yknowutimsayin

[fallow canopy]

[viscid spear]

I'm scared

[coral ibex]

no weapon unlucko

[silk sundial]

It's either myth dagger, already have 720mh, or myth hands and use a cat charge + another cat charge for 4pc. Help

[fallow canopy]

i got dagger from loomy yesterday but had already crafted one

[main bridge]

yeah so then you take that line and change it to what you want

[royal lantern]

.......what?

[quasi steeple]

Hey guys, is this trinket really worth?

[desert vault]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2tdtJ7REH1k4n6C1pXSS3S

Is prism not good anymore? sims at -40k?

[red zealot]

Sims say trinket but I also wont see M soul hunters anytime soon

Thoughts?

[quasi steeple]

Im using this 2

[lethal arrow]

u take lily every day of the week here no?

[royal lantern]

you literally dont even have 4 set mate

[lethal arrow]

prob not at champion track vs a myth tier piece

[split veldt]

i guess i take lily, even tho i mostly just M+

[severe meadow]

okay, okay

[lethal arrow]

thats a good ring

[unborn rain]

hs anyone gotten to upgrade their ring for free because they got one a higher item level

[quasi steeple]

The only thing that makes me doubt is that i have a head that is hero track and is tier, since i dont have 4p already, not sure if its worth to go for the mythic head

[desert vault]

Does prism only sim well with 4pc?

[lethal arrow]

think about it like this, if you take that head you never need a head for the rest of the season

if you take the trinket, it gets replaced the moment turbo boost hits at worst

[desert vault]

cause for me with just 2pc right now, it shows at -55k for prism over lower ilvl trinkets

[uneven plank]

does anyone use the DISC belt? the lightning bolt keeps revealing me

[quasi steeple]

That is a good point tho

[royal lantern]

yes, a 90sec trinket will be better when your cds are 90sec

[quasi ledge]

Swap out of the lightning bolt effect :p

[desert vault]

oh true, yeah ... hmm ok guess will run through normal tonight before taking anything in vault. Boots in vault are good, but only tier was heroic track cause i was lazy and only did 7 10s

[shut coral]

sims said no 😐 i'll get another one to replace the heroic one eventually 🙁

[uneven plank]

which one is good?

[quasi ledge]

Crit, which is what you should be using

[glad shoal]

Does indiscriminate carnage pick new targets with every cast? or will it be the same extra two unless i change targets?

[unreal tide]

Smart

[viscid spear]

It will always prioritize targets without the debuff

[glad shoal]

awesome

[jaunty salmon]

hey guys
do we know what numbers to aim with secondary stats ?
Sims are going weird for me, it says that my 841 gear is better all the time

[glad shoal]

new to assassa so i was wondering about that

[rigid fable]

Lily is good for Assasin?

[viscid spear]

So if you have a group of 5, you Garrote and it hits your target and 2 other. If you Garrote again on the same target it will refresh it and apply it to the other two that don't have it

[normal mist]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[light mountain]

do u take stone idol? ive got one too wondering.

[rigid fable]

i got lily mythic on vault, is that good?

[normal mist]

sim it

might be

1:30 good for fatebound if you dont have prism i guess

[jaunty salmon]

so i can trust the sim ? If it says 841 gear is better ?

[normal mist]

841 is next expansion

[quasi ledge]

What do you mean 841?

[red zealot]

Thoughts for this vault sims say Anub Trinket but thinking shoulders cause I wont see Hunters

[jaunty salmon]

681***

sorry again

[normal mist]

show the sim

[red zealot]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t4uiGgBsdg6oSskAWNy3Ye

[jaunty salmon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dgaP2337KNCbv31mAQikhC

[onyx pond]

do we get a catalyst tomorrow?

[normal mist]

yes

[sick aspen]

When trying to sim GV, to decide which item to catalyze, how do you make it allow the sim to go through? if I run it without "4 set" option selected it doesn't finalize with 4 set, if I select "4 set" option, it says cannot make combinations with enough item set bonuses even though I have all 5 slots set to tier pieces

[pliant remnant]

Bro, you're not going to pick a Hero track Crystal over Myth track shoulders

[viscid spear]

100% level & ilvl crunch after Last Titan

[pliant remnant]

Get back into the Dawnbreaker coal mines right now

[zenith tree]

BiS helm with a socket, makes up for my 2 hero rings and belt last week for sure I think

[red zealot]

So in this case eff the sim

[normal mist]

you're 2/4 set, with crafted gloves, hmmm... I would not swap belt yet and go for a piece of tier you dont yet have

[tepid meadow]

wait why is it tomorrow and not today?

[normal mist]

EU vs NA

[daring glen]

does anyone get

4set bug

[jaunty salmon]

okay i'll hold it for now thanks

[daring glen]

that gives deathmark cd back twice

[normal mist]

yes

check the pins

[lethal arrow]

giga

[warm vortex]

Seeing all these vaults make me want mine

I want the dissapointment now D:

[normal mist]

SAME

[astral nymph]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[uneven sable]

would you guys do myth legs to catalyze or a myth chest piece w/ avoidance to catalyze? I already have 4p. Legs currently are champ so the legs are more immediate power, but avoidance chest is prob better in long run right? Everything i can find says sin wears all 5 tier pieces this season which sounds strange to me

[pliant remnant]

[static glacier]

legs, 1st boss myth drops bis statted chest

and its our ideal offpiece

[warm vortex]

Btw, anyone have the sheet that shows how much each spec gains in their tier % wise

[uneven sable]

ok i figured it was the off piece since haste/vers

[static glacier]

unless you're not killing mythic

[uneven sable]

nah i will be

[static glacier]

fair, id take legs in your position then

[fresh kelp]

1st boss doesnt drop a chest?

[uneven sable]

ya what i just opened loot table

[static glacier]

wait

am I hallucinating

[warm vortex]

Mo take your meds

[uneven sable]

you might be its head/waist/ring on 1st boss

[warm vortex]

This isn't your moment

[static glacier]

ah it's a waist

https://www.wowhead.com/item=237533/atomic-phasebelt

tbh the play is try your hardmode taz run for the week

[old terrace]

for funsies I used shadowed unit frames to make boss health bars at the top of the screen, so even if i have to drop boss to do mechanics or adds I can still see their hp

[static glacier]

then pick chest or legs

[old terrace]

also, nemesis packs in delves count as bosses for some reason

[static glacier]

i swear i saw a leather chest with crit mast drop

ITS BOE

ahhhhh

[idle vine]

is lily of the eternal weave good in m+? maybe it's because I don't have 2 set yet, but replacing a 691 champion track signet of the priory with a 707 lily is a 30k dps upgrade in dungeon slice and an 18k dps upgrade ST

i was excited when I saw it, but now maybe not

[static glacier]

it's worse than araz / signet giving mastery for m+

still good though

[rotund marsh]

does the feather trinket send the orbs to you eventually, or do you have to walk into it

wondering if i can just not think about it

[static glacier]

they come towards you but you can get them

[idle vine]

so if I choose lily, what's the best way to use it in m+? Signet was easy as I'd use it on CD with deathmark, but should I use lily on CD since its 1.5 mins

[red zealot]

Whats our go to craft after weapon>?

[static glacier]

id macro it to dm

[sacred ibex]

The upgrade is 0.1, which would you choose? I already have a craft weapon.

[rotund marsh]

ok, so its not as cringe as transponder from s1

thank god

[static glacier]

wrist

[warm vortex]

Pace, personally

If you already have craft wep

[uneven sable]

trinket

[haughty flicker]

my vault sucks gg

[lethal arrow]

think its trinket here

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/useless-fucking-pieces-of-shit-mad-angry-kick-gordon-ramsay-gif-14817807

[red zealot]

already ahve craft wepaon

[warm vortex]

Show

https://tenor.com/view/gliznorp-alien-cat-bald-green-gif-7415781222793666173

[haughty flicker]

no im too sad

[warm vortex]

SHOW!

[leaden lake]

Is cursed stone Idol any good? my only myth piece from vault

[static glacier]

tbh they buffed vaults by so much bc no more cloaks

[haughty flicker]

best i got was myth shoulders i cant cata until next week

[static glacier]

is it 3x boots?

[haughty flicker]

and cant wear either

[warm vortex]

Still belts tho right

[haughty flicker]

i did get two belts

[idle vine]

how is it better than signet then? my 691 signet is 8k mastery for 20 secs, 707 lily is 9k mast for 15 secs. Sure more mastery but if I am using it every 2 mins since I macro to deathmark, surely this isn't better?

[warm vortex]

Still better than socket

[warm vortex]

It's insane they haven't removed belts

[wise gull]

join the club but i'm mainly playing sub rn so its even worse

[static glacier]

it's not, I said signet(mastery) and araz are BETTER than lilly for m+

[warm vortex]

If i get nothing good on both of my characters im going to be

Fuming

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-clenches-fist-of-rage-rat-clench-fist-rage-gif-20880451

me

[idle vine]

yeah ik but I feel if I macro lily to deathmark, it's equal to my 691 signet lol

thats my point

[static glacier]

it sims higher right?

[desert pasture]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[tropic surge]

With fatebound do we bother using shiv with kingsbane or only timing it with deathmark? With 4pc

[warm vortex]

Read wowhead

You always do it before dm

[static glacier]

2x shiv on dm, 1x on kb

with 4pc

if you hit the bug then you 2x dm only

[idle vine]

it does sim higher yes, but how do we know if the sims are using it with deathmark or using it on CD?

[warm vortex]

My fucking dumbass was going to ask why you do 1 shiv

[static glacier]

and naked kb in between

[warm vortex]

45 sec kb

XD

[tranquil cobalt]

so how do we use the netherprism trinket

[warm vortex]

I had a heroic priory and champ lily

lily sims higher

[tranquil cobalt]

you cant use it on pull right?

[static glacier]

with dm on 3mins

[idle vine]

in dungeon slice?

[tranquil cobalt]

its telling me to use it over lily at the same ilvl

[royal lantern]

is your rogue called Ratboy btw

[tranquil cobalt]

but feels bad you wont use it until 3 mins

[static glacier]

signet not giving mastery is a crime ngl

[warm vortex]

Patchwek, dslice
probably every other sim

[warm vortex]

Sadly not

"vendeten"

[royal lantern]

then somebody stole a name for you

[idle vine]

thats so weird. lily is a MINOR dps upgrade when its 16 ilvls higher than my champ signet

maybe the issue is I dont have 2 set yet

[royal lantern]

yes

mate

[warm vortex]

Link sim?

[royal lantern]

its a 90sec trinket

without tier you are a 2min class

[warm vortex]

I mean i hve some good names

So you win some you lose some

[static glacier]

2set shsouldn't affect it at all tbh

[idle vine]

sorry how does tier make me a 90 second class?

i am deathstalker in m+

[static glacier]

only fatebound 4pc has any implications on trinkets

[ornate pond]

My one mythic vault slot is Harvester's Edict, looks like I'm passing it up for a hero tier piece. Feels bad man

[thin lichen]

Hmmm, I wonder if that's why tier is simming higher than trinkets for me...?

[idle vine]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ipCpWtGtYakJC6XWCt2WSD for ST and https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tdPr6ittNMK3yahi8q8EDE for slice. I simmed heaps of shit and everything in my vault, so just look down for the sim which just has lily

[hollow forge]

I'm thinking about taking 4p here and just getting trinket through clears

[static glacier]

tier is generally very powerful, the reason we sometimes prio trinkets is bc there's less sources for them at higher ilvl than tier

[idle vine]

anyway I just expected lily to be good, but its minorly better than a 691 signet lol

[royal lantern]

i ignore that m+ exists as much as possible

[hollow vessel]

I just got Araz hero trinket with Avoidance. Is that good?

[royal lantern]

sim

[prime hull]

is fatebound better even with old tierset or is it just when you get the new 4p

[static glacier]

hero lily sims as a downgrade compared to this 2min on use delve trink I've got xd

[quasi ledge]

FB is always better in ST

[static glacier]

i haven't sent catalyst yet though

[idle vine]

i was so excited when I saw my vault cause I thought lily was good. now I am sad. I guess I still take it cause everything else is ass and just enjoy the higher ilvl -_-

[static glacier]

bro its 2nd bis

I would be happy

[mystic plover]

i still cant understand what i am doing wrong (4.47m overall), pls help guys... im pressing exact same rotation that guides talking about

[idle vine]

i dont raid

i only m+

so i not happy haha

[main bridge]

log your keys, details doesn't help

[static glacier]

tbh with you the loot pool for m+ trinkets doesn't really get that much better

[royal lantern]

^

[static glacier]

you'd kill for araz for m+

but gl getting it

[idle vine]

well signet would be better aha, didnt blizz nerf it

[static glacier]

true true, silver lining is lily doesn't desync from dm during the weeks where affixes give cdr shame that isn't relevant in 12s or above

[idle vine]

wdym

[static glacier]

also lily lets you have really high haste while proc'ing mastery - signet can't

[neat flame]

They call me the trinket guy 🤠

[static glacier]

some of the affixes give ur char cooldown reduction, it causes dm to be lower than 2mins so you end up holding it or sending without trink - lily will always line up

[hollow talon]

[coral ibex]

you can check with a sim

wow

incredible scroll

nevermind

[nimble tartan]

omg we can get mythic antenna in the vault when u only kll nexus king

holy fricck

[idle vine]

oh what, what affixes are they? and how does lily give higher haste?

[static glacier]

what?

[coral ibex]

lily doesnt give haste

[royal lantern]

just kill mythic nexus king before you kill mythic Möth, easy

[nimble tartan]

if u kill plexis and nexus king, u unlock all the gear from loomithar mythic even if u dont kill it

[idle vine]

Mo said it allows for higher haste

[static glacier]

bro the rwf players haven't killed nexus king even

???

[coral ibex]

how are people killing mythic nexus king lol

[nimble tartan]

sorry

[coral ibex]

wtf

[nimble tartan]

umm

soulbinder

names

[static glacier]

ahh

[haughty flicker]

that is how it works yes

[static glacier]

soulbinder counts as 3rd ye

so it would inc spider loot

[haughty flicker]

soulbinder is third in dungeon journal

[static glacier]

yes it does, doesn't it make sense to you?

[nimble tartan]

thats just silly

[static glacier]

bleed build is haste hungry

[rough nimbus]

which ilvl should i craft the dagger ? i get 707 ilvl with my current mats, can i get higher or is it through recrafting ? sry i havent played since early DF

[static glacier]

if you have mast hast crit close to eachother alchemichal chaos can brick ur signet

[idle vine]

no sorry it doesn't. How does lily give higher haste?

[boreal mist]

is there somewhere i can post logs to get help? or just dump them here

[haughty flicker]

i mean the alternative would be people literally only killing moth on their alts and waiting until they got the trinket

[silk sundial]

On fatebound opener, is there a reason we open with Garrote and not Ambush? Ambush into garrote would give more combo points yeah?

[haughty flicker]

like they were doing in voti

[static glacier]

lily can't be bricked

[haughty flicker]

which is why it was changed in the first place

[static glacier]

it always gives mastery, our favourite stat in cds

[idle vine]

oh I see what you mean

[distant hinge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[static glacier]

so you can run greedier builds with more haste with lily than signet

if that would be better for the key you're running

[warm marsh]

i got myth gloves in vault i can cata or hero track tier gloves, do i take myth and possibly cuck myself from getting 4 set or just take the hero tier gloves??

[oblique sorrel]

That’s the nightmare glossy

Go for the 4 set

[tepid meadow]

why are bracers such high crafting priority? why not just craft lowest non tier ilvl slot like a ring?

[static glacier]

these are all minor arguments @idle vine but generally there are some reasons that lily might be better than signet

I wouldn't feel too bad about taking lily tbh

shit like first boss ring can single handedly brick signet

[grave rivet]

Do I take the head (catalyst charge) or mythic Sacbrood? Playing Assa, but probably going Sub for Araz and maybe M Saladbar/Dimensius (we'll see)

Prolly brood cause head token drops off first boss?

[static glacier]

a fuckton of crit on it

[viscid spear]

So we went 2/8H, what are my chances for Antenna or dagger?

[tawny geyser]

I dont wanna find myself in such dilemma.

[static glacier]

id just go lily

good for sub, good for raid and solid for m+

signet is exclusively ds sin trinket unless you're willing to run 2x on use but tbh I think thats bad in keys

[tranquil cobalt]

is there a netherprism wa for stack counting?

[mystic plover]

i did log them, but that aint helping me to understand whats wrong

[main bridge]

yeah the idea would be to share the logs here. to be clear damage breakdowns are not helpful. you should link the logs

[static glacier]

link the log

can someone do the log review command? i forgot it

[neat flame]

i just sent lily, by the time im worried about optimizing for keys with signet turbo boost and dinaars will be out and ill just nab a signet then

[static glacier]

make a thread

[static glacier]

true shit bro

[mystic plover]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PJzArCdmVyHFhfpb?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=2

[static glacier]

!logreview

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[mystic plover]

ty

[static glacier]

hmm

nah not that

thats for raid

Im trying to start a thread so we dont spamt his channel

[main bridge]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[main bridge]

oh

[void gazelle]

!tot

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[agile flame]

myth pacemaker trinket over hero tier (I don't mythic raid) even if I don't have 4 piece? I have 2 piece right now but long term the trinket would be nice right?

[static glacier]

bro we dont have the rights

[oblique sorrel]

You are playing with a bunch of bums that’s the issue

[void gazelle]

is there a working auto tot macro

[static glacier]

@spice surge can you make a log review thread for this log pls

[oblique sorrel]

He’s playing with a one button Andy in there

[static glacier]

or any coloured names even

[oblique sorrel]

3 mil overall

[coral ibex]

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[static glacier]

alright, first thing off the bat, untalent momentum of despair it's bugged

[devout hazel]

hey

[mystic plover]

no, or i just cant see how to do it

[static glacier]

we don't have rights

[devout hazel]

thar or socket

[static glacier]

it's for people with higher ranks

[static glacier]

raidbots.com sim it

[grave osprey]

With 2+2 we still run FB on ST, right?

[devout hazel]

yea

[coral ibex]

you run fb on st with 0p

[devout hazel]

but do i take oskcet or no sim slave

[coral ibex]

fb good

[static glacier]

ever since the buffs you just run fb on st in general any tier setup

[royal lantern]

they overtuned FB on purpose so it doesnt end the expansion with a 0% playrate

you play FB on singletarget in general, tierset just makes the gap even bigger

[grave osprey]

Oh, nice. Good to know

[boreal mist]

why was wowanalyzer linked but assass isnt updated for it

[grave osprey]

Ez mode for us

[static glacier]

alright you seem to not be spreading enough bleeds

[gilded stump]

Is sub the better raid spec currently?

[static glacier]

you dont reach 5 stacks of scent in an enormous pull at the start of arakara

[mystic plover]

so i have to switch targers on openers

[viscid spear]

I'm bored at work on my lunch break, can't open my vault until I get home in 5 hours. Predict what I get
Raid: 2/8H, 8/8 Normal (One Heroic slot, two Normal slots)
M+: 7s across
Delve: 11 and two 8s

[royal lantern]

all 3 rogue specs are good rn

[mystic plover]

got it

[static glacier]

nah, you can just gar gar > rup > gar gar > rup ur main target

if switching would lose you time on your mark target

leme see if i can find one of my key logs

[mystic plover]

yea, i was thinking about that

[tepid meadow]

do you delay your second shiv during kb with the new 2 set?

[static glacier]

here's an example of casts on 2nd pull streets

notice how I spread bleeds to almost all mobs in the pack

[agile flame]

myth trinket > hero helm? that would be my 3 piece but trinket might be hard to replace since I only do m+ really (normal/heroic pug raids)

[normal mist]

trinket is unique in a sense that you only get in on vault

[static glacier]

generally you spread gar to everything you can if you have ic up, very high damage - rupture is a bit more nuanced, you at minimum want 5 for scent of blood stacks

[normal mist]

headpiece can be dropped // catalyst

[static glacier]

royal, can you make a thread

for log review cutie

[coral ibex]

you'd never take hero tier over myth trinket unless you know you aren't getting any drops in raid

[mystic plover]

so main mistake is that i dont spread enough of rupture

[agile flame]

cool yeah that is what i am leaning towards, just impatient for tier too

[static glacier]

#assassination message

[coral ibex]

you can just farm hero track from m+ and catalyze

[static glacier]

bleeds in general yeah

[mystic plover]

yeayea

[static glacier]

notice how much damage comes from bleeds

over 2-3 big chained pulls

[astral current]

very bad luck compared to 1st vault of undermine

well at least neck seems gucci

[normal mist]

i feel you homie i truly do. If you're a patient man, go trinket i guess.

[static glacier]

even if you were to atribute all of the spatter damage to envenom that's 290m dmg for 25 casts of env aka 11.6m per cast which is notably less than rupture

[hasty gate]

any1 else deathmark broken since update

[mystic plover]

seems like i have to 3 times press rupture and get my cp from garrote

[static glacier]

that's not even mentioning how you need bleeds out for scent of blood / singular focus funnel and energy economy

at LEAST always rupture a pack twice if it has over 3 targets

[mystic plover]

yea

[static glacier]

once you've garotted everything you can fan > rup if you want to spread more ruptures

[astral current]

that scares me, gotta raid today

[static glacier]

one advantage of pandemicing ruptures (I do this) is that it makes it so you still have targets to spatter from at the end of a pack

[royal lantern]

i mean, you play FB on 2/3 of the bosses

[static glacier]

otherwise when stuff is dying you have to send non caustic'd envenoms

or manually reapply rupture to then envenom

[deep gyro]

And other bosses might be worth to bring sub in.

[static glacier]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xRPcC3MGAqftVW8j?fight=36&type=damage-done here's the log in question if you want to look through it

[raw marlin]

i dont wanna doom but sin rogue ST is actually making me depressed today lol

[hasty gate]

so it seems to work with lily trinket but is not working with cursed stone idol like not working with the macro that i have always used for it

[royal lantern]

are you raiding for the RWF rn?

[deep gyro]

No i’m trash

[royal lantern]

then why care about your spec

[deep gyro]

But i like both rogue specs

Because if i’m able to change it up why not

[raw marlin]

i mean im tempted to play sub beause in lower keys sin really isnt that nice to play.. everything dies before you can do anything lol

[static glacier]

in keys? I find if you can get decent killtimes for dm you can do acceptable st, not really massively behind and if you convince your tank to pull even 2 mobss onto the boss you'll do good boss dmg

[mystic plover]

i see why my overall is so low xd

[static glacier]

bro demise is insane

we CRANK low keys

[copper hazel]

pretty sure the 1 second cast on idol trinket bricks the macro, I had the same issue

[boreal mist]

is there a thread for log review

[raw marlin]

doesnt matter lol it just feels bad

[static glacier]

I normally don't lose a single overall until I get into 14s where stuff lives

and uncapped classes start shining

[raw marlin]

that is where we destroy people lol

[mystic plover]

how can i do breakdown like this?

[hasty gate]

thats what it seems like

[static glacier]

you need someone with mod priviledges to start it, so we're stuck spamming the channel til one of em opens a thread

[astral current]

yeah but most difficult fight for me is soul hunters cuz i hate going m+ build xd

[royal lantern]

eh, bleed build is just really good there imo

and you dont even really transfer the mark

[ornate pond]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/D3aTc98CjVbvY6Fm?fight=7&type=damage-done&source=291

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Q96Aqgtcn2pbd8Kx?fight=9&type=damage-done&source=1

How is the bottom log doing double the rupture damage for a key but on half the casts? Is it that he's running double vanish and getting more efficient spreads from stealth? Trying to sort out why my spatter/rupture damage is so awful in this run

[royal lantern]

it stays on the vengance DH almost 24/7

[viscid spear]

Turn meters off
Blast

[astral current]

yup, i know, however i just physically dont like it, dunno why

[raw marlin]

im saying the playstyle sucks lol

[static glacier]

brother why are you running garotte talents without subterfuge

this is some interesting bleed build running FI

[humble verge]

my guilds sham LMAO

[viscid spear]

FB raid? Or DS M+

[raw marlin]

ds

[viscid spear]

Eh, just keeping bleeds up

[raw marlin]

i mean its slow

[boreal mist]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZtgYpH6JCFMzqDjP?fight=31&type=damage-done&comparesearchplayer=70

[deep gyro]

Then don’t play the spec

[raw marlin]

hence me saying i may play sub

[ornate pond]

Yeah making that swap now, still trying to figure out the spatter/rupture issue though

[velvet ridge]

Man, I fucking love it. It's the only spec I enjoy playing

[static glacier]

sub is even slsower, you played it in m+ since df s3 rework? you run out of energy xd

[rotund oak]

the F is wrong with the guy

[deep gyro]

Do et

[raw marlin]

last time i played sub was DF season 1

[hasty gate]

weird supercharge build usually u run kings and not arterial with that build

[static glacier]

you're in for a rude awakening

tell me how it goes

[hasty gate]

sub is in worse state if you have no cds ur sad

[static glacier]

sub hasns't felt right in keys since that rework

it does fine damage tbh

but running out of energy on aoe is so ass

[ornate pond]

Honestly I probably missed the talent swap when switching out of the kings build from last season when I started running this character this patch

[static glacier]

well there's your answer - play the standard build and come back to us with a log if your damage is still lower than you'd like

[rotund oak]

sub has alot of dmg but ild bet real money its miserable in pugs

[static glacier]

on god sap

[ornate pond]

Will give that a try -- I think it'll improve the rupture damage because double vanish/sub will make it easier to spread. Spatter feels like it has to be I'm doing a bad job swapping back to the main target or something

[static glacier]

also I think sub has the worst dmg profile of the three rogue specs now in keys

buffing bp over and over fucks our prio dmg

[rotund oak]

yup u can aoe or st

[viscid spear]

Sub has even worse downtime

[static glacier]

it's crazy how sub in keys died overnight with the rework xd

relegated to the spec you go for either super high target count aoe or pure st

[humble verge]

he just likes keys

he had around this or more last season

[deep gyro]

Idk about that with 4p u have shadowdance all the time.

[static glacier]

the issue is you dont do prio on mass aoe pulls

or you do wack aoe and have a hardcap if you press evisc

[spice spire]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[delicate trench]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" overall, but Blessed Weapon Grip + Dawnthread can be VERY VERY slightly better in m+

Always craft a dagger for at least an offhand. Put Ascencion or Blessed Weapon Grip on it. Additional Crafts should be Wrist (maybe Belt later in the patch after dropping the delve belt) for your second embellishment, after that whatever low item level slot is fine, necks can be good crafts.
If you have a myth track weapon in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[nocturne quail]

what about sending runed crest for craft ?

[viscid spear]

Just get Gilded, lil bro

[zenith tree]

waste of runed crests that should be used for upgrading gear

[nocturne quail]

zzzzzzzzz lil bro]

[humble verge]

if youve done campaign

[nocturne quail]

got a free crest idiot

[humble verge]

you get a free runed crest

lil bro

[nocturne quail]

thanks Uberscot

[hollow talon]

is antenna just busted my LFR one is outsimming mythic trinkets

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ue8RmC2P42B8jTXxvTY6Q4

[zenith tree]

You can send your free enchanted crest to a crafted piece sure

[humble verge]

yes

[nocturne quail]

thats obviously what i was referencing

[zenith tree]

You asked RUNED crest not about the one from the story

[humble verge]

its literally

1/2 bis

[humble verge]

yeah but people dont know the name of the crest piece

thats obvious

[rotund oak]

bro is mad idk

[viscid spear]

Use it on bracers, get Gilded crests and craft a dagger

[nocturne quail]

thought thatd be obvious

[static glacier]

you're running mastery belt, change it to crit

[humble verge]

nah, time

[static glacier]

then sim again

[nocturne quail]

yeah man i have a dagger alr obviously

[main bobcat]

bro your team is afk

[drifting cedar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[main bobcat]

what's going on in there

[static glacier]

if you were in it my team would be more afk

xd

[nocturne quail]

id send another gilded on bracers this week, so asking what do with campaign crest

[main bobcat]

real shit twin

[viscid spear]

Cool, so you making bracers?

[static glacier]

afk gang, on the floor dead

maybe ingame

[nocturne quail]

little brother

[main bobcat]

bro I played fatebound in taza hardmode

[static glacier]

for bosses ye

bet u cranked

[main bobcat]

it's sick bro everytime I don't see deathstalker's mark

I get happy

[static glacier]

🙂

[viscid spear]

Subsequent sibling

[static glacier]

get to just play the class

no fear of target switching

[main bobcat]

kinda

[static glacier]

beating ele on boss with lust is good

[nocturne quail]

is there any chance that using the runed crest from campaign is better than gilded for bracers and then use gilded for uogrades

[static glacier]

that spec bursts super hard

[main bobcat]

yeah me and the ele were kinda close every boss

[humble verge]

wait

youre looking at

oh nvm

[main bobcat]

bosses yeah

[humble verge]

boss damge

[static glacier]

anyways look at the utopic, idyllic gameplay for raid sin

[main bobcat]

yeah bro still wont raid

gg

[static glacier]

xd

[boreal mist]

is shiv best to be held for last 8 secs of kingsbane in fatebound?

when using deathmark etc

[static glacier]

can always become a fatebound in keys enjoyer like i was week 1 tww

xd

[main bobcat]

ah so you were a griefer

nice

you say it in public too

[static glacier]

topped every overall

xd

[main bobcat]

shameless

ok bro maybe don't play with brann bronzebeard?

[static glacier]

i was playing bleed build

when it wasn't popularised

people were still on the kb bandwagon

[main bobcat]

damn......

the pioneer..........

[static glacier]

ikr

clicked the third build on wowhead

instead of top one

insane right?

[vestal geyser]

if you have the netherprism you're not supposed to use it on pull right?

[main bobcat]

in the head

[static glacier]

its wild how many people never actually tried all the builds

like no curiosity how shit plays or if it does more dmg for them

you missed out on fatebound nw last boss epsi

mut > envenom on repeat for the whole crit buff

since fb 2x crit mut generates 5

[hollow talon]

it doesnt do much on pull if you have no stacks

[main bobcat]

it's alright bro

instead I played resto shaman

[static glacier]

gg totem better than the warrior

[hollow talon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8ZwCB8c9CHjRJWTfSFtaqr

[vestal geyser]

yeah i figured, kinda sucks to have no on use trinket during opener

[hollow talon]

its still chalked LFR trinket bis apparently

[dusty phoenix]

I dont understand

[slow snow]

By the time you get to DM/Vanish you’ll have 1 stack and I’d advise using it on pull for at least some stats

[static glacier]

aight, a bit closer but still better

[vestal geyser]

can you gain stacks while its on cd?

[static glacier]

fatebound is very crit hungry

[shy axle]

@dusty phoenix 4p bug probably

[static glacier]

and that trinket is overtuned as shit

[main monolith]

hey guys , how much % upgrade is an embellishment? m thinking of making a crit/mastery ring instead of the bracer with embelishment , need trade rings :c

[static glacier]

0.8%ish

its not mssive

[hollow talon]

guess i will take dagger in vault then

[slow snow]

Yes, If you have it, get yourself a WA and try it out 🙂

[hollow talon]

should i craft a neck or something then

[static glacier]

i think its dag then wrist***

belt is kinda locked in for a while til we get myth belt

cloak is clocked in

and you cant put ascendance / dawnthread on jewellry

[hollow talon]

thats true

[shy axle]

for the first time in ages i mogged away from back-worn daggers. Is it just a nightelf thing that the daggers do not "wobble" with you steps anymore and just stick to your belt hard and unmovable like a rock? damn

[hollow talon]

kinda sucks cant embellish my jewels

[static glacier]

you could technically make a chest

as offpiece

[sand sigil]

isnt helmet better?

[static glacier]

might be a bigger immediate gain than wrists

[sand sigil]

long term

than wrists*

[static glacier]

nah, losing 3ilvls on helm is worse than on wrist

[sand sigil]

yeah but

[static glacier]

helm also good stats

[sand sigil]

bis sims have helm as embellished

unless whispyr is slacking

[obsidian shuttle]

Radiant power as IV says, or Councils Guile as WOwhead says on weap? 🙂

[normal mist]

sim it

[boreal mist]

sorry fucking cat lmao

[static glacier]

we're talking keys just to be clear right

[normal mist]

honestly not surprised

[sand sigil]

yeah

[tardy echo]

Im looking to craft wrists right now do i blindly trust the sims? its telling me haste vers is what i want right now and that seems wrong. is there any info anyone has on this?

[boreal mist]

ive never gotten out of bed so fast

[static glacier]

on paper it doesn't make much sense to give up 3 ilvls on helm / chest / leg slots longterm, and afaik there's no special helm embelish like that fire dmg helm s1 df

[normal mist]

no dagger?

oh your NA

[tardy echo]

dagger was last weak yeah

[normal mist]

stats are fake pick whatever

[tardy echo]

just got a mythic tier piece from vault looking to get my second crafted for the other embellishment

[sand sigil]

yeah what ur saying makes sense to me

[white marten]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are wrist/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" overall, but Blessed Weapon Grip + Dawnthread can be VERY VERY slightly better in m+

Always craft a dagger for at least an offhand. Put Ascencion or Blessed Weapon Grip on it. Additional Crafts should be Wrist (maybe Belt later in the patch after dropping the delve belt) for your second embellishment, after that whatever low item level slot is fine, necks can be good crafts.
If you have a myth track weapon in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[normal mist]

whenever you get a new piece of loot if might sim different than today

[dense cedar]

704 wrist gaming

[sand sigil]

but it just showed helmet embellish on the sheet for dslice

but yeah it dont matter too much i dont know what ill craft i was just curious

[static glacier]

sheet is fuu, whispyr hates it xd

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[static glacier]

ah I see why now, its bc you can't make dawnthread elsewhere

or duskthread

[hearty seal]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[static glacier]

cloak locked

[sand sigil]

well u can put it on belt right? or no

[slow snow]

Yeah belt surely is open

[static glacier]

it is yeah, im not reccomending belt craft since for most people its a smaller upgrade due to delve belt

[slow snow]

Belt/bracers for emb

[sand sigil]

yeah im just thinkin long term

[slow snow]

James is talking endgame

[sand sigil]

makes sense for most ppl rn to not make a belt

[static glacier]

could probably run some sims to check, it might just be within margin of error

[sand sigil]

also u couldnt even make a belt till 2 weeks from now

unless u got a myth wep from vault or something

[static glacier]

ye, in your case I think you can hold off on wep craft since you push late season

and get raid weps

[pulsar coral]

damn heroic ritual forge sims better than of my mythic item choices. i really don't wanna take a hero track item even if it good qqqqq

[static glacier]

wrist belt embelish and myth ilvl in all the bigger slots

[old terrace]

I"m trying to use the new crafting system for the first time, but I'm a little lost.

I got all of the reagents, and its showing the dagger is only 678. How do I get that up? I need to buy a enchanted guilded crest, right?

[slow snow]

That’s what im aiming for long term ye

[static glacier]

tbh its strange that fuu's sheet is saying helm embelish over belt @vestal wren what's going on with helm embelish over belt for sin m+ on the sheet boss?

[dense cedar]

gilded crest ye

[old terrace]

once I buy it how do I apply it to this dagger?

[tepid meadow]

optional reagent

[dense cedar]

optional reagents section

[normal mist]

"provide optional reagents"

[dense cedar]

don't forget to also apply the embelishment

[normal mist]

dont forget to add the missive and the embelishment too

[dense cedar]

also missive if u wanna

can go chaos mode with that if u want for "fun"

[hollow talon]

if i take mythic dagger in vault should i craft a dagger anyway for offhand/embellish

[static glacier]

also I think nether prism is bait for m+

[hollow talon]

[static glacier]

you lack a trinket for the first pull of the key

[old terrace]

I have the crest, did I buy the wrong one?

[static glacier]

right one

[flint snow]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[tepid meadow]

you are just clicking the wrong box

[old terrace]

OH

ty ty 😭

[normal mist]

also

[old terrace]

and do I need to put stuff in the other optional boxes?

[normal mist]

you should maybe type in trade chat for a Blacksmith

bcs public work orders can go wild

[old terrace]

that was my next question haha

[upbeat niche]

Been on vacation for the beginning of the season and am unclear if we wait until 4 set to drop S2 tier or go 2/2 with tier set right away

[half dawn]

hey guys quick question: if you have DN proc ready 2 send a fat dam, but your CT or Rupture is running out on ST, what do you do? Do you use CP on Rupture/CT and "waste" one finisher on maxed DN or do you go DN and let the bleed fall off - THIS IS FOR THE BLEED BUILD IN ST

[tepid meadow]

it's stupid to craft a ring when logic gate exists right?

[dense cedar]

2/2 is good

[upbeat niche]

tyvm

[old terrace]

dude, awesome thank you so much

[normal mist]

♥

[old terrace]

Imma top chartss this season, watch meeee

[normal mist]

I will

this sounded like a threat

holy

[half dawn]

any ideas?

[normal mist]

feelscraft of TC?

[half dawn]

TC?

[normal mist]

theorycraft

[static glacier]

you dn

[blazing tulip]

which ilvl ring should I be looking to swap my myth jastor?

[static glacier]

prio is clear

[normal mist]

Theorycraft - You DN

[tepid meadow]

thats a sim question

[static glacier]

ideally you dont get into that situation by pooling properly

[half dawn]

ok thanks i must've missed it

[static glacier]

if you're on 1 stack of dn you hold energy

[normal mist]

Feelscraft - feels better to reapply dots because you'll run out of energy even faster without rupture or garrote up

[static glacier]

so you dont drop dots / minimise downtime of mark

[half dawn]

i see what u meant

ok makes sense

yeah im not good at pooling

outlaw brain

smh

[static glacier]

like just get used to not pressing buttons outside of cds

and you shouldnt end up in situations picking between dn and dot refresh

pandemic gives us leeway

[sand sigil]

what u think bis 2 then? antenna + signet or just dbl passive w seaforium or somethin

[half dawn]

sometimes i remember to pool other times its a despairage POV

[golden loom]

the signet is also rolling crit, fellas the trinket situation is beyond fucking fried

[static glacier]

antenna and araz imo, there might be cooks with araz and prism 2nd on use

[normal mist]

i was about to resim myself with crit chain on my belt + signer

[sand sigil]

ah ok ok. yeah im starting keys today have to learn how to play the class again

[static glacier]

you'll make us proud im sure

on use trinks this season are unhinged

[old terrace]

when I link the dagger it shows one star. Is it supposed to look like that or did I mess it up?

[subtle tundra]

[golden loom]

yeah you got griefed

LMAO

[subtle tundra]

lol

[static glacier]

cant see 2x passive being the play

[granite sentinel]

!loot

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[runic hinge]

Stream soon?

[static glacier]

its time to pay the crafter tax for a recraft to 720

[umbral adder]

Hey whats the gain of restealthing every pull in a m+ key versus chainpulling?

[normal mist]

its already on but no wow still

[granite sentinel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slow snow]

I tried prism in m+ and it stacked terribly with all the downtime. Maybe in your groups that can keep consistent combat up it might be good

[old terrace]

I haven't gotten it crafted yet, Im linking it from the crafting window

[static glacier]

nonexistent tbh, proper chaining will up your groups dps massively

[slow snow]

IMO itll be antenna and araz, MAYBE signet but that’s so annoying with secondary stat management

[umbral adder]

& "proper" chaining would be?

[static glacier]

pulling like 3-5 mobs with around half hp and ruptures up into a new pack

[proven willow]

big diff if you can restealth between big pulls

[static glacier]

the idea behind chaining is to kill the dangerous mobs that bottleneck your pull then chain the mobs that dont do shit into a new pack to increase avg number of targets your dps are hitting

chaining is not pulling 1 5% hp mob into a new pack

thats just griefing

[sand sigil]

btw whats the bit with deathstalker bleed build shiv? u shiv before deathmark on x targets and after on?

i think it was before 3 u do 1 thing and after 3 u do another or did someone make it up

i cant remember i heard it somewhere

[golden loom]

bleeds out? shiv
deathmarking a target? shiv

[umbral adder]

& When you're in dungeons such as Halls where a few mobs sit around in place(huntmasters), rather than just sitting like 5 idiots finishing this off, would you say it's better to ignore a rogue whining like a b**** & keep pulling?

[sand sigil]

nah i mean someone said it was optimal to go shiv deathmark on certain target counts

and deathmark shiv on others

[half dawn]

is this worth? Going 2+2 for now (hands are champ). I'm thinking it might be risky to send a spark on 1 piece before vault idk

[static glacier]

now we just send 2x shiv in dm with trink and then you get 2 shivs do to whatever you want with until you start holding for next dm, you can play for demise pops with shiv on aoe for overall if you're willing to give up st by not holding shivs for dm - it's down to your judgment though, safest play is to 2x shiv dm

[slow snow]

Maybe just move the mobs onto the hunters?

[ocean ore]

guys, withe the bleed build or envenom has low priority over mantein rupture on packs?

[sand sigil]

ok ok this is good cuz i didnt think about demise but i just mean like

the literal gcds

someone said u shiv deathmark on like 3 or less and then u deathmark shiv on 3+ or something like that

maybe thats backwards

but is that fake or real

[static glacier]

personally I time shivs out of dm after spreading bleeds when im just gona chain fok env for like 7 globals

[sand sigil]

i cant find it anywhere else thats why im asking

[golden loom]

well I guess with 4 piece deathstalker you would cover the entire deathmark anyways if you shiv before

[static glacier]

i think this is super minor

we dont have kb

so it likely barely matters

[sand sigil]

okok ill just go after

[static glacier]

bigger things are sending shiv to hit 8t

i go after

[sand sigil]

easier for melee brain

[static glacier]

feels like a wasted global to shiv dm in keys

raid is for fatebound coins from pressing dm

[umbral sierra]

Don’t we just save shiv for kb? Kekw

2x shiv in kb window and 2x kb per 1x dm

[golden loom]

well you dont run KB in bleed build

[umbral sierra]

Ah

[golden loom]

so you would wait a long time

[umbral sierra]

Yeah in that case but

[static glacier]

talking keys here, raid is super scripted for shiv usage

[umbral sierra]

I almost always use hybrid bc I don’t usually run +6 and lower keys

[static glacier]

hybrid is dead, tierset killed it

[umbral sierra]

Ah did it?

[static glacier]

cleave still has value but hybrid is just worse st worse aoe than bleed

ye

[slow snow]

Speaking of, do we 2X shiv during FB solo KB or just use 1 at the end?

[static glacier]

tierset is tied to shiv, bleed takes aoe shiv hybrid cant

[umbral sierra]

I’ll have to read up some then, haven’t touched rogue this season yet, got 4 set week 1 on dh and went to town

Thought 2 set was just flat % increase didn’t realize it was only in shiv window

[static glacier]

depends if you have 4pc or not, without 4pc you have 2x shivs for every kb, if you have 4pc since cds are 90s you 2x shiv dm and 1 shiv on kb in between in the last 8s

[slow snow]

Great thanks, I do have the 4pc 🙂

[umbral sierra]

Wait are we running coins in keys?

[old terrace]

I got my dagger 😄 ty guys for the help

[umbral sierra]

Gross if so

[static glacier]

no we aren't

[umbral sierra]

Ah thought it was “deathstalker damage….” Without the shiv text

[static glacier]

that would be insanely broken

triple the value of the current tierset xd

2pc

you'd start doing wierd shit like holding shiv for lingering

[frigid pilot]

2 BELTS

[dense cedar]

chest is nice i suppose

[umbral sierra]

Ik dh replaces disc belt the second we get a 701 ilvl belt that has actual stats dunno about rogue though

[static glacier]

crystal and ring are options too depending on what specs you play

[frigid pilot]

i cata'd my hero chest last week 🙁

[dense cedar]

too rash

mayhap that ring will be good for you

[frigid pilot]

ye its bis for sub but im sin rn

:/

[dense cedar]

very versy

i got a hero version rn

funnily would get insta replaced by the other ring from the dungeon lol

[umbral sierra]

Would trinket not be good?

[static glacier]

i think it would be fine

sim it

[dense cedar]

i got a hero track version and it does not sim too well

but u should cehck ur toon

who knows

[austere flame]

When do we replace our belt?

710?

[umbral sierra]

If nothing in there is going to be a keepable upgrade

Either take myth tier or the trinket so u can get free trinket upgrades on ur good stuff

[static glacier]

@sand sigil I realised why you asked the shiv question, for bleed build since we run arterial precision shiv hits aoe / tierset juices shiv so we use it on aoe now as a really strong cd

if you end up going cleave build in higher keys without ap i think it would be a sim question

[umbral sierra]

So since hybrid is dead

We just settle with

Doing tank damage on st in keys?

[golden loom]

pull mobs onto boss

do most boss dam

[viscid spear]

Yes, 710 or higher

Preferably higher ofc

[mint valve]

The shiv first is fatebound raid build. I think that's where you might have read that

[analog egret]

https://i.imgur.com/fvyEVjd.png

jesus can I have everything?

[sand sigil]

ah ok maybe thats it

so all target counts bleed build i can just shiv after the dm

[golden loom]

that makes sense

[mint valve]

Yes sir

[static glacier]

yes exactly

[golden loom]

yeah and without dm you also just slam the shivs in aoe

when you have ur bleeds out

[deep gyro]

Ilmao gz

[teal snow]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[cinder steppe]

can we evasion the money order from post master?

currently trying hardmode

and wondering if i can soak solo one

[mint valve]

I tried to evasion money order and I died... It used to work in shadow lands. Did they rework it?

[rancid nimbus]

you guys got a charge for catalyst ? or is that next week? 🙂

[solar wyvern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[gaunt sigil]

Do delves still drop keys this week?

[tepid meadow]

i guess tomorrow

[rancid nimbus]

for eu tomorrow .. yes ?! 🙂

[normal mist]

It seems no

It seems the free charge was during raid release so we will only have the next one w3

[dreamy rover]

uhh may someone help me?

ring is 0.4% upgrade for sin

I already have pacemaker, so anubikkaj is simming lower

the fuck should i get here

[hearty seal]

ok here's a really noob question
how do I make WA, during setup, only show things that would currently be active for my spec/build? so that I don't have to drag bars blindly then close the WA options window, then reopen to adjust

[coral ledge]

the delve shoulders is the only good option here its bis

[brave comet]

20 seconds into this fight he summons a wall that you use the cloak to avoid, but even using the cloak im still getting damaged

is that supposed to happen?

[prime hull]

there is some small raid dmg at same time but u shouldnt be 1shot by the wall

[errant heath]

What is our off tier piece?

[coral ibex]

whatever sims best for you

[dreamy rover]

dude just answer question

the fuck

[coral ibex]

??

the answer is you use the highest simming combination of gear

which depends on what you have

[dreamy rover]

ok dude

can you fucking help me?

[dreamy rover]

@coral ibex

please

[coral ibex]

i mean i didnt even reply to you

idk why ur being such a dick

so no

i wont

[dreamy rover]

im asking for your help

[brave comet]

first off, you are a prick

second he did, he cant answer the question

sims and only sims can

[static glacier]

you considered hero araz for ds?

[main bridge]

Isn’t that a load condition

[main bridge]

I truly do not understand this mindset

[static glacier]

chest is the answer you want

[dreamy rover]

yhea dudes cant interpret a question

[main bridge]

Like people get mad that you’re giving them the best possible answer for them

[dreamy rover]

my man asked whats the off piece

of course its gonna sim differently

he just wants to know what tier piece generally gives the best stats for sin

[coral ibex]

all stats are good for sin

[dreamy rover]

people think everyones a nerd like them and sims every single piece of gear

[coral ibex]

you should equip the highest simming combination

[ocean ore]

guys, really need help about bleed aoe, im spreading all my bleeds and think that i dont do dmg on packds

[coral ibex]

idk why ur mad that i said the answer to a math question is solved with math

[main bridge]

I don’t think simming requires being a nerd. It’s a GUI with a button that requires no technical knowledge

[ocean ore]

in single without funnel, even less dmg

[coral ibex]

5 ruptures, press CT, caustic, cd's

[ocean ore]

i need to spred more than 5 bleeds?

[gusty lichen]

went to go upgrade second embellishment and apparently going from 681 -> 704 bracers is a dps loss, do sims not account for the embellishment or something?

[vestal wren]

if you havea stronger gear profile, can any time send me

[crisp venture]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[radiant aspen]

hello guys i rerolled assasin this season

im 695 ilvl i check all guides but still struggle to do good dps

im looking for video or step by step explenation of m+ rotation

like full explenation

prefer video im more of visual learner

[main bridge]

Watch Whispyr and/or Shindig videos

[coral ibex]

watch whispyr's videos