assassination

[fathom yarrow]

No but genuinely i feel like i need bigger name plates so i can see who has dots on and who doesnt

same with m+

I have plater but like the debuffs are so small i cant see shit

[earnest remnant]

condolences

[fathom yarrow]

might as well have nothing at all

[earnest remnant]

(on the being australian part)

[nova kelp]

it has it's perks

[nova kelp]

jsut not the country

[grim jay]

Then just make them bigger

I guess

[fathom yarrow]

How do I do that

[grim jay]

In the plater settings of a good Profile

[dense cedar]

i just gotta be happy im not an american

[nova kelp]

we do have eshays here

they're solid value

https://tenor.com/view/hakkengabber-hakken-gabber-hardcoregabber-thunderdomehakken-gif-21291176

[cunning needle]

you're from shitney aren't you

[nova kelp]

brisvegas brother

[cunning needle]

[grim jay]

Plater and a good profile are probably the most important things for m+

Plater would also be the one thing I'd select if I could only use one addon

[nova kelp]

HAHAHA wtf is that emote

[dense cedar]

no one is actually from south australia

[cunning needle]

[versed lantern]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[uncut void]

with 2 set which hero talent performs better for pure ST?

[dense laurel]

you guys rupture and garrote every target up with bleed build? lets say theres 10 targets, we dont proceed with normal rotatiom until everything bleeds?

[nova kelp]

FB - though it performs better on st without 2 set as well

[uncut void]

does that change with 4set? seeing most of the top boss dmg logs with deathstalker

(heroic 3rd-4th bosses)

[nova kelp]

no with 4 set it leans more and more into fb favour

if you're seeing mostly ds... i'm not sure what's happening, either people are crazy or you're looking wrongly?

[dense cedar]

these are literally 2 of the 3 non ST fights

[nova kelp]

oh oh

3rd and 4th

yeah there's a few ds bosses in the raid

coz fb is allergic to aoe

[uncut void]

fb better if ads are melting too quick though right?

[earnest remnant]

just like me with not padding on adds

[uncut void]

with hunters/evokers

[earnest remnant]

frfr

[nova kelp]

maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate

[kind forge]

Most ethical raccoon

[nova kelp]

I have a bone to pick with the way people use the word "padding" these days

[earnest remnant]

reverse

im unethical

[nova kelp]

like every thing is fucking padding now

[earnest remnant]

apl says BP at 4 targets

not my fault

robot doesent lie

[dense cedar]

your boss dps is gonna skyrocket with deathstalker for the final bit of araz

[nova kelp]

"those adds need to die? sure, but if you hit them, you're just padding"

[cunning needle]

if you're not cleaving it's padding

[earnest remnant]

(im hitting them)

bp is cleve

trust

[cunning needle]

[kind forge]

BP only next ID

[nova kelp]

like why'd we rmove the add damage from rashanan at the start of s1?
everyone was like "waaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaaah my dps, warrior steal it!!!"

THEN they nerf warriors, and READD the add damage?

like

who was in here "fuck warriors bro"

[earnest remnant]

poeople fiending for parses

[grim jay]

I dont discriminate, fuck everyone

[nova kelp]

I was over here like "but... you're probably not killing the boss if that warrior didn't destroy those things, how is it a problem?"

[nova kelp]

actually based

I used to know this chick in game played an spriest called misogyny
gms made her change it - went with misandry
gms made her change it - went with misanthrope
gm whispered her "touche"

[grim jay]

Dont know why they made her change it in the first place (this is a joke for all intents and purposes)

[nova kelp]

I used to play guild wars back in the day
I had an assassin character - they're from cantha (like in game asia, so they look asian)
I called him "secretasianman"

they made me change it!

HOW IS THAT RACIST

but apparently people reported me

[red schooner]

Could have just been a dungeon crawler Carl reference, perfectly innocent

[grim jay]

Couldve just been an asian guy

Perfectly innocent

[nova kelp]

it was mean to be like
asain guy
secret agent man
assassin like

[red schooner]

Why's he being secretive though?

[nova kelp]

solid puns

I was so gutted at the time

[grim jay]

Who are we to judge anyones way of operation?

[nova kelp]

I should have hit the gm with "HOW DARE YOU JUDGE MY PLACE OF ORIGIN!"

[grim jay]

Ye just hit him with the Uno reverse on racism

[fathom yarrow]

I'd also like to know this

[nova kelp]

SO
technically you only NEED 5 ruptures out to max out the actually important stuff that it does
additional ones WON'T hurt you, but at this point typically you just start ssending as many spatters via envenom as possible while maintaining CT

imp gar is a fucking solid cp generator, especially with a billion targets, so long as your carnage is still active

so you'll probably inevitably end up with a bunch of shit garotted off a vanish anyway

[fathom yarrow]

CT? Imp gar?

[nova kelp]

crimson tempest

improved garrote

[fathom yarrow]

Ahh ty ty

Is it like balance druid where once you have your dots out your rotation then keeps increasing the duration so you dont have to reapply

Or do you need to reapply with this spec

[nova kelp]

hard core min maxers will get ultra but hurt if you rupture more than 5-6 targets but like
it's fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnee

[haughty flicker]

rupture dn

[dense cedar]

some packs you should apply more if your IC ones land on some really bad targets

[nova kelp]

bleed is like really forgiving

[grim jay]

Tldr (of the new Whispyr Video) on that topic is basically just
Garrote instead of fok during carnage window
2 rupture casts out or 3 are fine aswell for good measure if the targets live long enough, which translates to max scent stacks and potentially an extra

[nova kelp]

and TONS of energy

[dense cedar]

first pull of gambit good example of wanting to make sure those ruptures are on something that actually lives long enough for scent to not drop instantly

[nova kelp]

just oozing from your eyeballs

[nova kelp]

bro the first pull in arakara

[dense cedar]

that's a shit one too ye

[nova kelp]

and you get all your shit on the little dudes that just pop instantly

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[fathom yarrow]

So how come this spec is rated so highly this patch btw, is it to do with tier or is it just baseline v powerful

[nova kelp]

take ratings with a grain of salt, we're DEFINITELY strong, but it takes a bit for things to come out in the wash

[dense cedar]

these kinda mobs gotta just be dps bait for specs that just press a button to do billions of aoe damage

[nova kelp]

like next week we'll see a lot of frost dks go full banana mode

[fathom yarrow]

Is that strength just m+ or raid or both?

[nova kelp]

we're very good in both tbh

probably in a very good spot currently

but we'll see how it pans out as other specs start to get all their necessary shit in place

week 1 we LOOK insane
sudden demise cranks in lower keys
we get an instant safe 720 weapon craft

our 2 piece is strong

[atomic creek]

It'll even out more when more classes get their set bonus

In M+ we're definitely very strong but the week 1 raid ranking will probably change

[nova kelp]

the community is very geared to listening to soundbytes they take as gospel
so a streamer says "sin op as fuck, needs 50% nerf"
and ret pallies lock down their disc

[dense cedar]

is the ret disc channels still like that?

assume its done with now

[nova kelp]

I think it's done now, they're still unhappy asf though

[dense cedar]

Arms warrior silent pain

[grim jay]

Crybabies

Ret is still insane in m+

[nova kelp]

I gota say, I do feel for them a little bit, they were pretty bad, but like holy shit lol

[atomic creek]

Blizzard didn't listen to random people who shut down a random discord? What a surprise

[dense cedar]

locking down the channels is just a weird punishment for regular users of the server, doesn't do anything about the state of the spec lol

[nova kelp]

but hey, we've seen our channels get slow moded on occassion when peeps are just crashing the fuck out

so like idk

[atomic creek]

That's different though, that's to keep the spam down to a minimum. The Ret paladins did it as if Blizzard would care about holding a random discord channel hostage

[grim jay]

Its just crybabies overestimating their power

On ret disc

[dense cedar]

average wow player isn't even in their class discord

[grim jay]

On sin slow modding sometimes is actually useful

And for the better

[nova kelp]

honestly, I think this is the shittiest bit about the whole issue, they COULD PUMP in particular circumstances

which probably leaves the devs in a "fuck if we buff this they go nuts here" situation

especially since they're not really doing any grand scale CHANGES atm

but holy hell

telling a ret pally that they could actually perform well in some spots earlier in the week was basically declaring yourself an enemy of the state

especially as a rogue

THERE ARE NO SHADES OF GREY
YOURE WITH ME
OR I RIP YOUR HEART OUT THROUGH YOUR KNEE CAPS WHILE YOUR FAMILY WATCHES

[grim jay]

I mean

Most are laughing about them

Why would anyone care about being their enemy for saying the truth

[nova kelp]

lol

they might hit me with the light

really softly

it might even heal me

[last skiff]

With fatebound we always use envenom at 5+ combo points even during DM?

[balmy condor]

yes

[west crown]

Always in any spec of assassination

[nova kelp]

I wonder if there's ever a world where we don't take the extra cp

[dense cedar]

would be a strange choice

[nova kelp]

it would feel SO WEIRD seeing 5 cp max

[balmy condor]

something would need to go terribly wrong

5% finisher damage is just too good

[dense cedar]

vigor used to compete with it iirc

[balmy condor]

ya

[dense cedar]

dark ages

[nova kelp]

been a while

[balmy condor]

vigor is technically the better talent

idk why our spec tree has deeper strat

[nova kelp]

kinda pushes you into zoomer sin pretty fast too

[balmy condor]

vs a fok talent

rather than deeper strat

and like

something that's good

[dense cedar]

echoing blades comeback

[nova kelp]

echoing blades

remind me

?

[dense cedar]

azerite trait

[nova kelp]

OH

[round cypress]

Hey, is it normal in M+, when I'm stealthed and the tank is grouping up the mob, some caster start casting on me and just destealth me for funzies ?
Is it intended or is it a bug ?

[dense cedar]

made ur fok do another fok

[nova kelp]

wait was that the fok

yo

that shit was sick

[dense cedar]

only thing that made us mildly viable in m+ iirc

[normal mist]

What buff are you using on your belt

[round cypress]

mastery

[dense cedar]

some packs just have guys that shoot u or something

[nova kelp]

I used to use 2 of the tentacle fist weapons in m+ as sin

[dense cedar]

even in stealth

[nova kelp]

you'd just spam fok / ct

it was fucking weird

but actually really good

[round cypress]

I'm just fully stealth, waiting for the mob to be grouped, and get sniped

[dense cedar]

just how the game is

[nova kelp]

a lot of mobs don't give a fuck about stealth the same way they used to

a lot of casters you actually need to los now

standing in stealth just isn't the same as it used to be

[grand trail]

How do you play shiv with 4set as deathstalker? Same as before?

With normal raid build

[quaint axle]

Hi,

in my ST tests my Fatebound Coin (Tails) deals quite half of the dmg than it sims everything else seems to be ontrack.
Im quite new to assa.. is there any point blank idea u guys have what i could do wrong?

usually i do my burst like this:
shiv -> DM ->icecold->kb->vanish into ev spam

is there sth obviosly wrong where i could lose Coin dmg?

[quartz yarrow]

prolly roll heads on your opener

[quaint axle]

So just bad luck or can i do sth about that?

[dense cedar]

no reason to worry about it

[quartz yarrow]

it’s a 50/50 on your first finisher. heads also does damage but is less apparent on details because it’s damage is built into everything else

[quaint axle]

i see so nothing i can improve on?

[quartz yarrow]

it’s no real diff over the course of an actual fight

[quaint axle]

Aight, thanks guys. helped me alot here!

[fathom yarrow]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[reef ravine]

do hero talents matter that much in raid and m+? like can you just play fatebound all the time, without losing much damage?

[buoyant herald]

In raid yes, in keys noooo

[hardy pasture]

yo, so if you proc the fatebound bug where deathmark is 1 min cd instead of 1:30, do you hold the next kingsbane for it?

or is it better to send kingsbane and then wait with deathmark ready for next kingsbane

[dense cedar]

fatebound is super bad in keys

[spice surge]

Hold ye

[elfin flame]

thanks for checking! and to clarify, do the names correspond specifically to the instances of bleed refreshes prior to cds? so for instance, "refresh rupture if <12 this is basically pandemic" only applies to ruptures pressed immediately before kb?

also idk how to navigate to pings in a discord so i had to scroll for a while to find ur reply

[balmy condor]

all of them reapply with their given condition of like reapply rupture if rupture has <12 remaining, and only if the cooldown on deathmark or kingsbane is <3 remaining

[elfin flame]

ok w that's exactly what i was looking for

gracias mi padre

[spice surge]

Mr worldwide

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-come-here-gif-14280244

[lean plover]

Whispyr once again being the goat

[night vessel]

yo guys. can someone explain this to me

[haughty flicker]

nope

[night vessel]

i am the rogue. obviously. thats the kill as it is logged.

and here it is only 64?

[balmy condor]

when was the kill

[haughty flicker]

11:03 pm

[lean plover]

Ele shaman named geodude is a banger

[night vessel]

yesterday evening. like 13 hours ago

[night vessel]

blaster aswell

[golden loom]

you are 700k dps lower on the 64

[lean plover]

Ofc, its a geodude

[golden loom]

maybe they already filtered out some adds? lol

[night vessel]

the log showed 64 yesterday in the fight overview

[balmy condor]

I think this is some filtering shit

[golden loom]

yeah the dk that has a 100 there has a 93

the non-ethical padders get owned!

[balmy condor]

running internal bleeding is diabolical btw

[golden loom]

(joke)

[night vessel]

i didnt pad that much but had a headache. we wanted the kill before the reset

i choked alot of times but i dont get why the logs show different outcomes

[balmy condor]

the rankings tab updates

very frequently

I don't think the damage done tab updates

[cedar iron]

Only boss and mobs that die count for dmg now

[balmy condor]

cause this is accurate

[night vessel]

yes so i thought because i really played bad on the kill

[golden loom]

what do you run on hardmode music boss btw

cleave?

[balmy condor]

sub

[golden loom]

fatebound spatter?

[balmy condor]

idk fatebound spatter is fine

[golden loom]

if I play sub I will die to rotten food

[balmy condor]

yeah I definitely

did not 100

heroic dimensius

I think the damage done tab just sucks

[haughty flicker]

[night vessel]

kk. was hella confused

[manic quartz]

i'm ready to blast today at Dimensius, got my netherprism, antenna 4set, crafted dagger +hc dagger but that means ill die in about 1min to the fight

[balmy condor]

this def seems reasonable

I would assume it's just

bad updating

and then also just filtering shit

and somethingsomethingsomething backend breaks

[night vessel]

just dont take the mass

[balmy condor]

everything kaboom

[night vessel]

i dont understand the hitbox on dimensius

[balmy condor]

I do

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1176419816781918219/1406058742600044544/image.png?ex=68a50a3f&is=68a3b8bf&hm=b5462832ed8d95ad7e744f1a8b6854b28c9daa1b3406dd1e11e6a4223bcdd95d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

it's this

[manic quartz]

not on mass duty thank god

[night vessel]

why would you make it that way

[haughty flicker]

[boreal mist]

am i crazy, i swore i saw somewhere saying radiant power was better for overall content over councils or am i just gaslighting myself

[night vessel]

they hate meele

[balmy condor]

it was, now it isn't

[boreal mist]

fair

[fresh kelp]

i prefer this diagram: 🖕

[balmy condor]

but yah

dimensius is what happens

[vocal kindle]

Holy, the tierset is so annoying. Sometimes it gives double CDR, sometimes it's still your average 2m CDs.
Is there a possibility to create a WA to notify about timing changes?
Or did they announce a fix by tomorrow?

[balmy condor]

when round hitbox

is on an oval platform

[red schooner]

Why not make platform rounder

Or hitbox more oval

I ask of you this

Pls

[manic quartz]

Dimensius = Belial

[balmy condor]

I don't think this technology exists

[balmy condor]

perspective probably not epic enough

[red schooner]

A man can dream

[hardy pasture]

it is same as this on dimensius hc, i was carrying the shooting star orbs that deal 130m dmg to mini-boss each, then it gets subtracted

maybe some other fixes

[balmy condor]

I don't think it's ever 2min

you either get 1:00 or 1:30

[vocal kindle]

It is

I can send the clips

[balmy condor]

sure

[manic quartz]

well unless you fuck up your lucky coin

[balmy condor]

I don't quite understand how you would get 2min

yeah exactly

[vocal kindle]

Happend at least 2 times on mythic yesterday

[balmy condor]

that would mean the tier set is just

not working

[hardy pasture]

happened to me yesterday on dimensius, i think i didnt fuck up anything

[balmy condor]

I have not heard of it simply not working

so a clip or a log would be cool

[fresh kelp]

i have literally never not gotten my cdr after i stopped inting the opener

[golden loom]

what if yasuo is there to wind wall your lucky coin projectile

[balmy condor]

true

[hardy pasture]

is the bug to 1m connected to vanish?

[balmy condor]

it's the 4pc double proccing

cause of jank

[brave comet]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[real pike]

how good is 4pc in m+?

[balmy condor]

gud

[real pike]

woo

[hardy pasture]

i had a feeling that vanishing 0,01 sec before kingsbane gives me more 4p double procs, but cant prove it

[fleet mural]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[warm vortex]

Guys, how would i go simming 4pc
Like, i don't have it in my bags, but i wanna see if it's better than 2pc + 2pc

Not for my rogue ofc, for my hunter
I just don't know how i'd sim tier

[balmy condor]

it doesn't have anything to do with that

[hardy pasture]

oki

[balmy condor]

it's about the coin being a projectile

cause you don't actually get the buff

until after you hit 7

the coin falls

the coin turns into a gold coin

and then projectile jumps to you

[subtle tundra]

miau

[balmy condor]

top gear add the pieces

from the search

[warm vortex]

Omg thanks whispy

You the best <3

[balmy condor]

no u my dear

[warm vortex]

At hero 4pc on bm sims lower than 2 + 2 by like 2% aoe and 0.6% in ST

[placid sparrow]

I fear every day we are gonna be nerfed into the ground with these charts coming out having assa doing well in keys and raid. Worried blizz is gonna hit the fun detected button on us

And @balmy condor do you sleep ? 😂 I swear you respond every hour of the day lolol

[red schooner]

It be how it be, with how balance has been lately classes are within a few ℅ of each other

[golden prairie]

!macro

[loud jackal]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[placid sparrow]

I feel bad for arms , I played it a lot back in the day , have never made my way back to it but enjoy seeing then do well don’t see them fall so far this season makes me sad lol

[balmy condor]

I'm famously sleep deprived

[patent iron]

the sins you committ turn this place to rubble

[balmy condor]

T…thank you?

It’s 4am I have no idea what that means I’m sorry

Brain cooked

[viscid spear]

You need Jesus

[balmy condor]

Is he saying I’m bad

Turning something to rubble is generally bad

[viscid spear]

Their first post in 3 weeks

[spice surge]

True but in some contexts bad is good, see bad bitch as an example

[fallow halo]

Hey guys, is there any m+ assa streamer you guys could recommend, so I could watch some vods and see what I am doing wrong?
I feel like in prolonged boss fights in m+, I eventually hit a point where I have no thistle tea charges, my energy regen is terrible, and my dps suffers quite a big hit from it

[astral current]

hybrid build reasonable for tazavesh streets?

[red schooner]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[balmy condor]

Hybrid build never reasonable currently

[astral current]

gotcha

[jolly stirrup]

Bro whispyr go sleep wth

[astral current]

FB sucks in m+ as well?

[balmy condor]

Bro posh why don’t you tuck me in or something then

[jolly stirrup]

Holup lemme get a plane, stay strong for another 14 hours my man

[balmy condor]

It might be playable in streets in a pug or something, the high key meta seems to be just bigger aoe onto the boss

In which case, it sucks

[red schooner]

Delay your journey for 10 hours, tuck him in tomorrow

[fallow halo]

I see, thanks! But my question about any assa streamers/vods that I could watch still stands ^^ I am 100% doing a lot of stuff wrong, and would love if I could see how someone that actually knows the class plays :-)

[boreal mist]

on soul hunters i assume we put rupture on other bosses when possible?

[balmy condor]

Shindig

[balmy condor]

Yes

[neat remnant]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[red schooner]

There's this whispyr guy

[balmy condor]

No

[red schooner]

He sometimes streams

[balmy condor]

Watch shindig

[red schooner]

Why not both?

[astral current]

gotcha, thx mate

[fallow halo]

I watched Shindig guides on getting into assa rogue, but didnt know he streamed keys as well. Will check him out, thanks a lot!

[balmy condor]

He’s got the bigger io score cock I’m just the number guy

[marsh fjord]

no im the number guy

[red schooner]

No you're the numbers guy, different thing

[balmy condor]

I am the guardiola to shindig’s Messi

[vocal kindle]

second pull on Sentinel
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nFbw92z8qCLYxakt?fight=6&type=damage-done
clip: https://youtu.be/oKhErIng4rE
What a bad open I have there, ugh

[balmy condor]

The belichick to his Brady

[azure owl]

Are my stats completely fked or is it normal that HoA belt sims better than the Seaon2 belt for me? hmm

Same ilvl btw

[balmy condor]

I’ll take a look

[balmy condor]

What power is in your belt

[azure owl]

Lightning Rod

[balmy condor]

Yeah I figured

That thing

Is horrid

[azure owl]

aaa I see

Thanks

[balmy condor]

Np

[wintry kiln]

u supposed to have the mastery no? 😝

[balmy condor]

Crit

But mastery is fine

[sick garnet]

guys, why is the list of trinkets in wowhead like this when netherprism sims the best by far?

[balmy condor]

Yeah this is great, appreciate you

[wintry kiln]

Ou i dont have that disc upgraded.. is it possible to get it now? @whi

[balmy condor]

Forgot to add it

[sick garnet]

I passed on ritual forge last raid because i plan to go prism+antenna

[balmy condor]

There’s like 7 places with a trinket list

Many places to update

[wintry kiln]

is it possible to get that belt ”envhant” now? or is it too laye

[sick garnet]

Fair, so what is the single best trinket combination for us at the moment?

[balmy condor]

No clue

[balmy condor]

Antenna + prism for fb or forge for ds

[sick garnet]

alright thanks! 🙂

[grave harbor]

@balmy condor best way to sim m+ is dslice ?

or maybe mdt sim

[balmy condor]

Yes

[balmy condor]

No

[grave harbor]

thx

[balmy condor]

Np friend

[jolly stirrup]

I never got a np friend, just np

[balmy condor]

I literally said you should come tuck me into bed???

[jolly stirrup]

I HAVE WORK TO DO

I would love to, but the need to earn money is holding me back

[versed lantern]

is assa ST dps in the m+ build just terrible?

feel like i do no damage on bosses

[jolly stirrup]

Yes

[balmy condor]

Ngl

[jolly stirrup]

It doesnt feel too bad tbh

[balmy condor]

I forgot how much that question came up in s2

[jolly stirrup]

We can change that

Make s3 the most asked

[normal mist]

Probably already is

[balmy condor]

It’s been asked quite a bit

[jolly stirrup]

Btw how did your prog go on monday?

[balmy condor]

We killed plexus

[jolly stirrup]

In mythic? I assume?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[jolly stirrup]

Well done

[balmy condor]

Was a good first week, not quite as far as we had hoped

[jolly stirrup]

We finished NHC yesterday and beat Plexus in HC as well

[balmy condor]

We had hoped to at least get 2 down and look for loom

[jolly stirrup]

Loomi kicked our butt tho

[balmy condor]

But we spent way too much time on dimensius and plexus

[jolly stirrup]

Either i am too slow, or Loom too fast, I can't get my DS opener fully on Loom before the circle appears and needs to be broken

I am always short of the last shiv for KB

[balmy condor]

Yeh they spawn quick

You just hit boss

[jolly stirrup]

That was my question, do I skip DM and KB for after circle arrived?

[balmy condor]

Nah

Just hit it

And the circle is someone else’s problem

[jolly stirrup]

Based

[balmy condor]

People will have CDs rolling and stuff

It’ll be aight

Worst case scenario you just rupture it and say you helped

But especially if you’re playing deathstalker you’re basically worthless on those circles to begin with

So not much lost

[jolly stirrup]

Good to know

[vocal kindle]

Found another one
First wipe: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7hZJaTcvG2pC8kRL?fight=1
Clip https://youtu.be/y1ktPY1DPaQ

[jolly stirrup]

I must say, Dinensius was fun as hell yesterday

[balmy condor]

thank you

[placid adder]

Have a tank pull funnel into bosses when they can

[versed lantern]

do i like need the tier to do ST dps

i dont even have last seasons tier so

[spice surge]

No, if you are hitting the boss solo with no adds you will be doing very low damage as assa

Thats just how it is

You make up for it with big aoe

[thick sigil]

Tbh on higher keys its not THAT bad, if you have CDs on pull you'll most likely have for execute aswell 😀
But ye without adds most likely its shit, thats the assa way

Felt worse last season for some reason 🤔

[versed lantern]

i do like 2.2m

[jolly stirrup]

Streets been nerfed again btw

[versed lantern]

while other classes do like 3m

[jolly stirrup]

Yeah that checks out

[placid adder]

You have singular focus alrdy in hero tree the tier just enhances it

[thick sigil]

Still you dont bring assa for its ST capabilities 😂
Ofc its another thing if adds are pulled into boss, then you can pump

Pure ST is misery

Also fuck dawnbreaker

[fresh kelp]

dawnbreaker is a sub dungeon xd

[real pike]

anyone else noticed DsM randomly get applied to stuff in dungeons?

when DN is up

[thick sigil]

Ye i plan to try sub now that i have the gear for it.
On dawnbreaker and streets atleast 😀

[viscid cloak]

Be degen and play FB on dawnbreaker lol

[spice surge]

Idk leaning towards most keys being sub dungeons tbh, 4p fucking pumps

Especially if you cant guarantee mobs on bosses because youre in a pug or something

[thick sigil]

Any tips for sub in m+, or just basically same as last season? (Except ofc for 4p rotational changes and talents)

[fresh kelp]

assa kind of insane in floodgate/priory/hoa/ara tho

seems pretty good in eco too

[spice surge]

Halls sure, idk about the other ones

[fresh kelp]

arakara has infinite funnel mobs to work with and every boss has adds to mitigate the st weakness

[winged sun]

Assa is op on all dungeons

Except streets u play sub

[hollow epoch]

With the upcoming reset, is it better to have double 720 weapons or craft the wrist with the second embellishment?

[fresh kelp]

ye i think sub looking a lot stronger in db is just low key stuff

[thick sigil]

Off hand is trash

[winged sun]

Sub and sin are close in db

Even in low keys

[solar wyvern]

I think the funnel, poison build is still BiS in db, but keylevels too low and momentum bugged rn

[winged sun]

Sub is dogshit in all dungeons

Sub is omega dog even with 4p

Its just an early season thing

It’ll only be good in streets and dawn

Thats about it

[solar wyvern]

With all the RP in streets its decent

[stable apex]

sub will be dogshit for as long as i need multiple binds for backstab/shadowstrike

stupid ass rogue clunk

[winged sun]

Most dungeons aren’t doable without sin on the higher levels

Like

[stable apex]

same with law and ho ss/ambush

[solar wyvern]

Sub isnt bad, assa is just way too giga rn

[winged sun]

Im talking the highest keys

[fresh kelp]

so many dungeons have just omega funnel mobs idk

[solar wyvern]

Yea halls with assa vs without assa xddde

[winged sun]

All of them do wdym

If u have microwaved routes thats on you

Sin is like

150% of a normal dpser

Atm

[plucky ember]

do anyone know any good WA for when deathstalkers mark procs?

[fresh kelp]

i was agreeing with u

[wary quest]

!wa

[spice surge]

Idk im looking at a log of salatikue doing about 1m more overall in floodgate 16 than yours, including more or similar damage to most prio targets

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[winged sun]

Not disagreeing with you

[winged sun]

Brother

[ocean ore]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XDJ3zZvpFYQHC9xa?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=1 someone can help me improve my dps in raid?

[winged sun]

I was 3m ahead of everyone and thats a day 1 outlaw route

I dont log my keys

Zac does

[spice surge]

Clearly a dogshit spec i guess

[winged sun]

We already know the meta from ptr

Besides he has both trinkets

I dont have any

It is dogshit ur looking at fake data its giga early season

[solar wyvern]

Zeross we just need to cook harder

[spice surge]

Perhaps we have different definitins of the word "dogshit"

[solar wyvern]

Fatebound is calling us...

[winged sun]

Sin does 30% ahead of the 2nd strongest spec in m+

In max ilvl

Theres no need for any cooking

[spice surge]

If you say so bud

[solar wyvern]

Fatebound...

Uwu..

[winged sun]

You clearly didnt log into ptr

@midnight mist eleem thinks sub is stronger than assa 💀

[spice surge]

Well assa tanked 20% caustic damage since then

[winged sun]

Just wait till everyone is max gear

[golden loom]

If your CT tails coin crits thats a free combo point in aoe!

[winged sun]

U said the same thing about my build early last season

And u started playing it

[solar wyvern]

Holy SAMOLE the valur

[spice surge]

Bro just cant read

[winged sun]

Irrelevant

Like 3% nerf

Who cares

[spice surge]

Either way, sub is insanely strong in keys, calling it dogshit is just straightup lying

Might not be better than assa

But its certainly very very very strong

[winged sun]

Its dogshit compared to assa

[solar wyvern]

The play is simple

[winged sun]

Its not considered meta

[solar wyvern]

You wouldnt play 2 assa

But sub+assa

[winged sun]

Its doing below all the meta specs in dps on ptr

[solar wyvern]

Now we cooking with gas

[winged sun]

I dont remember what the 2nd and 3rd best specs are

I think u need mage+spriest

For high keys

For sin to omega blast

And prot warr

That was the omega best synergy for assa

[grim sinew]

played assa last season, opted out for my shadow this season again, now im playing both and cant decide which to main kekw

[solar wyvern]

Mage + 3rd spec, dk, spriest, maybe a dev angle???

Probs not dragons too squishy

[golden loom]

Elemental thanos

[marsh fjord]

Today i did a 12 halls and i changed to wound poison on mini boss it actually made a lot of difference

kinda insane

[solar wyvern]

Were you dtb? Cause idk if thats ever worth it otherwise

[marsh fjord]

No i was just bleed

just changed deadly to wound

[solar wyvern]

Dropping deadly means no spatter/no energy regen

[marsh fjord]

couldnt spatter

energy was fine

just dotted up everything with IC

and send deathmark

[solar wyvern]

And how do you get energy?

[marsh fjord]

From bleeds?

[fresh kelp]

[solar wyvern]

Youre not proccing venimous wounds without deadly

[marsh fjord]

oh well i had no problem with energy

[analog field]

maybe the play is to swap poison 5 sec before he casts heal ?

[marsh fjord]

but it died in 25 seconds so

[solar wyvern]

Ig if its just 25 seconds it wouldnt matter

[winged sun]

No sp+mage

[solar wyvern]

And i assume u had lust

Still kinda cooked haha

[winged sun]

U get pi on big pulls and u do 60-70m with the trinket

Sometimes more

[solar wyvern]

Oh true the PI value

[winged sun]

Max ilvl only

[solar wyvern]

So turbo on assa

Yeah first pull halls had some crazy numbers

[winged sun]

At max ilvl sub is like

Below most good specs

[marsh fjord]

he did one heal for like 20/30% of wounds

and after it died

[solar wyvern]

Ye is just a 12, just saying i dont recommend that past 12 haha

[marsh fjord]

haha will take that in account thanks charrend 🙂

[analog field]

how much damage would you lose on bleed build if you just swap in fight poison ? for the heal and then swap back ? like 3 sec ?

[solar wyvern]

Well you lose 2 globals, then 2 more globals

[analog field]

if boss heals like 20% les is it not worth ?

even in high keys

[solar wyvern]

Hmm

[marsh fjord]

I wanted to try it because i saw a tiktok of petko saying if your a rogue/warrior you can like reduce the healing

so i tried

[solar wyvern]

If you can stack up wound MAYBE thats the tech

I will experiment and keep that in the back of my head

[hardy dawn]

nah wound is insane on that one, you swap to wound after your first cd set and if you take into account the amount of healing reduced by wound as actual dps you do, it outperforms the higher the key, in lower keys id say it doesnt matter much but those are just my thoughts

[analog field]

yeah i did in like a 10 and we bursted before first heal

[earnest remnant]

"poisoned target"

just needs a poison on it

[solar wyvern]

Does the wound debuff actualy count? Thats significantly better then

[spice spire]

24% healing debuff isn’t bad

[hardy dawn]

this is dark communion healing from a random 13 halls i found, so if you take away 24% of that, that is the dps you do to the prio target with wound

[dense cove]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[hardy dawn]

the hps will just go higher and higher the higher the key you do so the value of wound poison gets higher

[golden loom]

Just have a different mortal wound

[spice spire]

Heard arms is great this tier

[hardy dawn]

[earnest remnant]

monk time

[solar wyvern]

8% buff hehe

[kind forge]

just cherrypick your mortal wounds obv

[spice spire]

Real, love wasting globals on poison application.
Have time in between energy gain anyway

[analog field]

you are afk either way

you are afraid of not losing auto attacks ?

[solar wyvern]

On the mini?

[spice spire]

That’s less poison application pal! Get woke!

[solar wyvern]

Youre pressing fok envenom

[sacred schooner]

best time to do it on pull when hero is on

[solar wyvern]

Theres infinity funnel there

[sacred schooner]

[analog field]

no i was joking

[marsh fjord]

i genuinely had good energy regen

[analog field]

although at some point it is ST no ? or you keep bringing adds i am not 100% familiar with that fight

[solar wyvern]

Ah text sometimes obscures the humor

Yeah you drag mini sround the souls

[analog field]

ah ok right

[old lily]

does anyone have the macro to prevent my dumbo ass from using too many teas at once if i've macroed it into shiv

[kind forge]

/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

[spice spire]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[proper nest]

if you have 4 set as fatebound

Do you use kingsbane first before deathmark ? as it otherwise runs out before kingsbane expires

and if you have kingsbane up without deathmark do we just use one shiv now mid kingsbane otherwise we dont have 2 shivs for deathmark+kingsbane ?

[spice spire]

No.
Shiv - dm - kb.
You’ll have a gap in the middle of your kb, but then you hold until the last 8s per usual

[deep gyro]

Anyone have the lines to sim weapon consumables?

[proper nest]

okey thank you

[marsh fjord]

in KB you dont use shiv for the last 8 seconds.

you use it to cover the entire DM window

[spice spire]

You’re right, apologies on that one. You max stack it quick enough that during dm matters more

[digital venture]

Anyone that did tazavesh knows if the end of the dungeon reward is hero / myth if you don't die or if all bosses drop hero?

[marsh fjord]

No worries 🙂

[spice spire]

Haven’t gone fb yet today is the dummy day

[red schooner]

FB is fun, I like not being tied to the mark

[crisp venture]

pretty sure all bosses will drop hero, but if u do hm then at the end itll be mythic

[marsh fjord]

Fb is super chill. i just wish we could use FB on all bosses

i dispise mark

[spice spire]

I never minded mark (minus some quirky bits and bugs)

But I like the idea that we actually can use both of our hero talents with a reasonable gain for one in x and the other in y

[red schooner]

Its fine ST, but multi target where swaps are forced or bosses just fly off? I hated it

Like, silken court mark management? Pain

[spice spire]

Instead of DS across everything except pure st where it’s 0.2%

[digital venture]

Thanks for the confirmation. Someone said they drop champion and the end dungeon reward is myth or hero depending if you die or not

[marsh fjord]

Like if we would just get rid of the multi target decrease

it would actually be good

but then you would just run fatebound in m+

actually i dont know

DS has some good aoe talents also

[spice spire]

Yeah I’m ngl. I like current balance between the two

[marsh fjord]

Yeah its fine.

[analog field]

also M could still be nice for DS with all the funelling

[spice spire]

It’s better than DS de facto season

Warrior has the same issue though (for prot) it’s only one or the other (demolish is fine still)

[dry shoal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hoary fulcrum]

if im giga boosted which spec should i play in m+ for weeklies?

[muted ridge]

!loot

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[marsh fjord]

Assa prob

[brazen ivy]

I think its

### Weapon enchants
###################
profileset."Ironclaw Whetstone x2"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:ironclaw_whetstone_3/off_hand:ironclaw_whetstone_3"
profileset."Algari Mana Oil x2"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:algari_mana_oil_3/off_hand:algari_mana_oil_3"
profileset."Oil of Deep Toxins x2"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:oil_of_deep_toxins_3/off_hand:oil_of_deep_toxins_3"
profileset."Bubble_Wax x2"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:bubbling_wax/off_hand:bubbling_wax"
profileset."Bubble_Wax + Mana Oil"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:bubbling_wax/off_hand:algari_mana_oil_3"
profileset."Bubble_Wax + Deep Toxin"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:bubbling_wax/off_hand:oil_of_deep_toxins_3"
profileset."Bubble_Wax + Whetstone"+="temporary_enchant=main_hand:bubbling_wax/off_hand:ironclaw_whetstone_3"
profileset."No Weapon oil"+=temporary_enchant=disabled```

[deep gyro]

Ty sir!

[old lily]

ty

[brazen ivy]

What are you guys looking for in vault? I think I'm hoping for lily or tier.

[hollow cedar]

prism

[old lily]

Anyone else expierincing some giga lag spikes on soulbinder and forgemaster? for some reason during the fight i get a giant lag spike for 3-5 seconds, then once everything appears again the game's super polygonized and my discord stops working for some reason

[light quarry]

if u do it deathless u get a extra chest at the end with myth track, all bosses drop hero always

[oak tangle]

with fatebound are we trying to have shiv rolling for final kb tick or for mid kb uptime

[umbral sierra]

Bless

[rare jackal]

every boss drops a heroic piece with everyone getting a myth track piece from the tazavesh loot pool on a deathless run

[marsh fjord]

I fucking hate pugs tryng to pug nexus king but everyone just sucks balls man

[light quarry]

@oak tangle

[umbral sierra]

Salad bar isn’t that bad

[oak tangle]

dafuq

[marsh fjord]

oh trust me in pugs

it is

[ember turret]

How do i Spike to 25-30 mdps ulim a 15 Mob pull, Like what so i have to prio or Look at? Im only doing Like 18-20 ending at 5-6 Overall . But i feel Like i must be pumping more. Only 2set

[umbral sierra]

A pug killer on heroic but normal?

Dimensius is def the harder to pug fight on normal

[marsh fjord]

Im not pugging it on normal

im pugging it on hc

[umbral sierra]

Oh

Lmfao gl

[marsh fjord]

🙁

[oak tangle]

ok i read it all, shiv for uptime

[hardy pasture]

i saw perfecto opener on fractilus do envenom deathmark kingsbane shiv

is it optimal to shiv after kb?

or is it no dif? the guides say to shiv before dm

[oak tangle]

im gonna assume it's much of a muchness, as we play with shiv + tea, it probs means a couple ticks of dm and the hit of kb dont have mastery buff in perfectos case

sims say before though

[hardy pasture]

yes but you have shiv buff for the whole duration instead of like 3 seconds of no shiv buff

[shy axle]

shiv before to buff the dm coin as well

[hardy pasture]

ye idk why perfecto is doing it the other way

[earnest remnant]

mostlikely cuz he isnt aware of the optimization

and probably some muscle memory since we have been doing it the other way around for 2 tiers

[oak tangle]

man i am forgetting how we used to paly, i didnt realise it was different, thinking back on it, it was shiv between dm and kb though

or am i still cooked

[hardy pasture]

idk, now its just a choice between buffing the coin and having shiv buff for the whole dm+kb duration

[oak tangle]

which has bigger hit, coin or kb tick

[hardy pasture]

if sims says coin its coin

[marsh fjord]

I just do what whispyr told me

Which is

shiv - vanish - deathmark - KB - shiv at 8 seconds of DM

done

[warm vortex]

Anyone know if the ret channels are still closed XD

[zenith elm]

They are

[viscid spear]

Why

[warm vortex]

Because the guide writer is a bitch

[deft quiver]

How much of an optimization is vanish after shiv vs vanish after kb?

[warm vortex]

He says that rets are underperforming, and will close the channel until they get buffed

they got buffed

[marsh fjord]

no idea

[warm vortex]

and he said he isn't opening them until double digit buffs

[marsh fjord]

i just do waht told

[golden roost]

Wait it’s not shiv dm vanish kb?

[deft quiver]

I thought you had the numbers?

[rigid trail]

Hi
Thoughts on https://www.wowhead.com/item=243535
?

[deft quiver]

False advertisement

[shy axle]

vanish position does not matter, do it with dm or kb

earlier usage lets you just sit on the buffs that get consumed by env

[analog field]

vanish doesn't matter before or after kb it has to be before finishers that come after KB

[shy axle]

true

[spice surge]

Its a dagger

[viscid spear]

Such a diva

[deft quiver]

Are you guys popping netherprism on pull with like 1 stack? Seems better than nothing right?

[zenith elm]

Dont know, i dont have it 🤡

[analog field]

i think the consensus is pop every 3 min

start with pull then on 3 -6 etc

[spice surge]

Ye with vanish

[viscid spear]

[deft quiver]

It’s still like 3500 agi with 1 stack

[viscid spear]

Idk why Ret is complaining when Balance Druid is in the sticks

[deft quiver]

Or do we just tell our raid wait 3 mins per pull so we can build to 18 stacks lol

It’s actually kind of dumb that you can keep stacks out of combat

[shy axle]

boomkin propaganda

[deft quiver]

We were doing that on hard mode Taz last night

Was annoying af

[zenith elm]

Did you get the myth item ?

[spice surge]

When you pull a raid boss or start a m+ key the stacks reset to 0

[worldly nebula]

Don't you lose Stacks on pull

[deft quiver]

We had ONE wipe on Hilbrand and completed with one death. We’ll get it today.

[deft quiver]

Oh that’s good then. But it works on hard mode since it’s not m+

[spice surge]

Yep

[spice lagoon]

i cant get it either haha

[mortal crystal]

I did TW dungeons on a whim y-day, got a prism. Was shocked, more or less

[elfin fossil]

Boomie good in m+, ret bad in all

[manic haven]

If I' purely concerned about m+ and playing deathstalker, is signet strictly better than lily of eternal weave?

[marsh fjord]

you dont go lily in DS

because lily is meant for fatebound

You just go 2 minut trinkets

[rare jackal]

when playing netherprism you want to buff your DM flip
when macroing it into vanish you consequently want to vanish prior to DM, however how much worse is that compared to vanishing after cb kb

[analog sedge]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[next iris]

how excatly work Shadowmelt to get stealth in combat ?

[dense cove]

Most people planning to use the free runed crest / 2nd spark on bracers today?

[viscid spear]

Usually it's just getting away from mobs and making sure you're not targeting something

[snow kindle]

likely

[stray fox]

Free runed crest?

[snow kindle]

if you did main story quest and killed last boss you get a free runed crest

[red schooner]

Druids like being in the sticks. Nature and stuff.

[stray fox]

Ohhhh ty

[wicked frigate]

what are the best trinkets to pair up for m+ and raid

[mortal crystal]

Best value for M raiders, likely. I only pug hc and first few in M so probably sending gilded crests for crafts

[deft quiver]

+1 on this question. I asked recently and was told vanish timing didn’t matter but maybe I asked incorrectly since I also have netherprism.

[snow kindle]

save gilded for your myth track gear

[peak bobcat]

vanish during dm +kb

[unreal tide]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[eternal sandal]

somewhat sarcastic question, can i turn off auto-thistle tea?

[bronze marsh]

nope, besides not dropping below energy threshold

[peak bobcat]

no, and you dont want to anyways because energy good

[eternal sandal]

using thistle tea during window better. its hard to recover the lost dps if you accidentally drink one.

[peak bobcat]

says who

like margin of error better

[eternal sandal]

not saying you drink it for 0 energy gain but you want to drink it at the right time.

[sand hemlock]

!chainpulls

[mortal crystal]

I think someone simmed macroed tea/auto use and it showed a .3% inc for FT. Trying to find it but no luck

[sand hemlock]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[peak bobcat]

you macro tea into shiv and you pretend it doesnt exist

[deep gyro]

So with this then u shiv prism dm kb vanish on opener?

[peak bobcat]

shiv dm kb vanish prism

[rare jackal]

that would be the optimal way of doing things

[rare jackal]

you want to prism buff dm and kb flips

[wary quest]

guys do you think it can be nice to have a mouseover macro for spreading rupt or sniping it while keeping the dmarked guy on target ?

[deep gyro]

Lol both of u said contradicting openers.

[deep gyro]

It is

[rare jackal]

@spice surge you got a take on this? (i searched for @ elmo lol)

[viscid spear]

Fortunately I only play M+ on her

[mental flicker]

I love this whole post, but this is my favorite part:
“Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking",

[mortal crystal]

Happens all the time, so annoying :’)

[spice lagoon]

so your telling me theres alot of bad tanks out there because most of them do this lmao

[raw marlin]

rogue bis in all blizzard games, even hearthstone lol

[hearty seal]

tbh this early in the season average tanks are just afraid to chainpull because they don't know what is dangerous and what's not

so they get to the point where they have like one gargoyle in Halls at 20% HP and think "yeah ok I'll pull the next pack"

[mental flicker]

You said it not me

[spice spire]

False on that one bestie

I hate rogue in hs

[marsh fjord]

Poggers we killed nexus king hc ina pug

[viral ice]

On packs of 10+ is it better to rupture and garotte all before crimson?

[fresh kelp]

Vanish before is the same as vanish after iirc

Whispyr posted some stuff on it

Can just do vanish + prism before dm

[waxen oyster]

I mean, most good players dont play tank.

There's a reason the phrase "tank jail" got created.

[fickle obsidian]

What about when they complain about kicks :’)

[thick juniper]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[eager pond]

What should be second craft this season? Bracers, neck, offhand?

[marsh fjord]

Bracers for second nerubian

atleast for mine

because i had it previously on the feet

[raw marlin]

i needd

[marsh fjord]

Bro i just killed hc nexus king

[raw marlin]

might make it on cloak though

[marsh fjord]

in a pug

[raw marlin]

Damian is typing...

is the weirdest thing ive read today

[oblique flare]

is momentum of despair bugged?

it didn't proc on training dummy until I changed talents forth and back, but then when I entered a key I didn't get it to proc except once during the whole run

[marsh fjord]

😄

[raw marlin]

you carried

[marsh fjord]

95 log

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-shy-peepo-shy-gif-20024644

[raw marlin]

pathethic

look at this cutie

[marsh fjord]

thats me

[raw marlin]

this is me

[eager pond]

Ok thanks, I was thinking on bracers too because ascension + nerubian
I guess third one would be neck, but lets see how loot goes in the next weeks

[spice lagoon]

i was running a 2 FG last night and this was happening to me too

[oblique flare]

#assassination message

time to close rogue discord until blizz fixes it

[rare jackal]

cool thanks bud

[livid dagger]

Reno rogue was a ton of fun a few years ago

[young fractal]

Is there a chance that I can post a log and get feedback on how to play Fatebound?

[stone yacht]

Does anyone have a good fate bound coin tracker weakaura? The ones I found on wago don't display properly for some reason.

[fresh kelp]

#assassination message

there is source

[young fractal]

!log Assassination Fatebound https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Adbw71vxBzkpaNQ8?fight=35&type=summary&source=60

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[dusty turret]

Hey everyone and sorry if it's been asked before. I am just starting to play around with Fatebound, and I can't find a good WA that tracks how many hits I have of each Heads and Tails (like Whispyr has on his video showcasing Fatebound). The best I found was one that only tracks until you get the fortune goin, but doesn't show the Heads/Tails afterwards. Anyone care to share if they have one?

[wary quest]

the question is why you want to follow it ? but anyway whispyr is a good wa 🙂

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[uncut void]

guys question about m+ vaults, to see a mythic amulet in vault from a certain dungeon, do I need to have that dungeon timed at 10? or doesn't matter as long as I've done 8 10's for the week

[spice lagoon]

all you gotta do is loook up top and if you got 5 stacks of fatebound send it

[dusty turret]

Thank you very much. For now I'm trying to track it as I'm getting used to the rotation at the dummy and it helps me understand it better.

[stone yacht]

Yeah I don't understand these people that say "why?" because I want to. That's why.

I'm having trouble finding one as well

[wary quest]

i guess your pool of m+ loot will be the same regardless

[charred mango]

for the M+ bleed build would it be practical to make an ambush+ setfocus macro to keep track of the marked target while setting up bleeds?
I guess also a mutilate+setfocus to keep track of the spatter target if that initial target dies.
does anyone do something similar to this?

[wary quest]

can be, i'm playing the other side and having my ruptures on mousover to spread it and snipe it

[spice spire]

Gem log review

[fallow canopy]

yes, its bugged

[charred mango]

Ive been using a mouseover for rupture as well, but in large packs where the nameplates are moving around a ton It gets frustrating, and more than a few times ive overwritten an already ruptured target. not a huge loss but I feel like maybe being able to tab target to a non bleeding target might be easier for me

[tranquil lynx]

Whats the best dagger for rogue from mythic weapons

[rain mortar]

Weird question, but does anyone use a weak aura to show when you are out of melee range? If so can you share it?

[tranquil lynx]

Zac weak aura is showing it

[jade abyss]

Lets throw poison nukes on our enemies

[wary quest]

let's throw stds on our enemies

[jade abyss]

Stds?

[faint plover]

did u try to spread bleeds with tab ? and then go back to old target with shift-tab?

maybe works better for you

[wary quest]

yeah if my numb brain can change that

[wary quest]

i think you don't want to google that

[jade abyss]

Haha

[manic quartz]

where was the thing you can put to advanced sim where you can sim the weapon temp enchants?

[uncut void]

how good are these? just won in pug 😄

[peak bobcat]

bis

[uncut void]

damn

[open root]

hi guys i have problem with fatebound hero talent , i getting 45sec deathmark after opener sometimes should should i use kings bane (25 sec until deathmark getting ready and there is no coldblood)

[spice surge]

The 4p bugs sometimes and gives you more cdr on deathmark

[deep gyro]

:0

[spice surge]

If your deathmark doesnt have 45s left when your KB is ready you hold KB

[velvet ridge]

Dam, mythic boss 1 sucks without 4pc

[thorn thorn]

@fallow canopy Behold

My set bonus

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255527413081833556/1398288299440734259/7-25-2025_15-57-39.gif

[open root]

tnx guys

stat is good ?

[eternal sandal]

anyone have a good tip for handling DSM on Araz?

[cloud musk]

ohh btw, for beginning of Dimensius fight, portal doesnt put you out of stealth. can that get taken off from the wowhead boss guide?

[fallow canopy]

Damn they eat mechanics, goated tier set

[thorn thorn]

20% of my damage btw

[fallow canopy]

Gotta recruit better lizard goons next time

[agile wedge]

my officers tell me to do more dmg on the adds on lomi mythic

i told them i cant really

they dont believe me. what can i tell them 😄

[peak bobcat]

tell them i cant

and dont hit them

[thorn thorn]

Target swapping is not something sin does

You have spatter

Spatter cleave from boss

Spatter do aoe

[deep gyro]

Just play sub 5head

[thorn thorn]

Also possible

[proven panther]

Which plater profile and which weak aura is good?

[raw marlin]

ask if they play rogue and if not link them here

[raw marlin]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[thorn thorn]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtlety.

[spiral escarp]

hello, is there any way to filter in warcraftlogs or loggr by 2 set piece only?

[raw marlin]

your eyes

[spiral escarp]

obviously, this means clicking each report and checking... I am asking for a way to filter the 4 set fights

[raw marlin]

see their usage of KB

as its reduced cd

go on lorrgs

[keen spruce]

just hard swap to an add to show them for a pull then link them to the assassination rogue rankings.

you will simply do less damage to the boss and still do 0 add damage

here's the rank 1 loomi parse and their add damage

simply not a melee mechanic

then tell them to make their wizards to stop being so lazy

[fallow canopy]

How many ranged on your comp? I'd take a look at them first

[keen spruce]

here's rank 2

rank 3

rank 4 did less than both tanks and a holy paladin

[agile wedge]

i did exactly that, they said they just didnt switch 😄

i tried to explain limited energy etc

but yeah 😄

[velvet ridge]

When is the blizz announcement?

[dawn kelp]

2pm est i think

[stone yacht]

If they really really care, you can probably play sub that fight.

[old terrace]

let me innn blizzz 😭 I just want my vaulltttt

[lime echo]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[wary quest]

what announcment ?

[dawn kelp]

[grim jay]

In a hurry to get disappointed. Just like me.

[static glacier]

I hard agree but im anticipating the argument "they ranked high bc they didn't hit add"

how do we counter that argument

[old terrace]

I had a dream that I got invincible from the vault, so I've already had a bad morning lmfao

[random lark]

Gl on vaults fellas

[old terrace]

or I sould set say set myself up for one

SERVERS UP

LETS GOOOO

[soft arrow]

anyone else having raidbots suggesting haste > mast & crit?

[wary quest]

me

[hallow glade]

Trust the robot

[coral ibex]

my worst nightmare

choosing tier or a myth weapon

[soft arrow]

yeah, but the raidbots has a warning now about simc support not being active for all specs so figured I needed to come here and find out

[sharp sinew]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[main bridge]

weapon is always the biggest upgrade isn't it?

[coral ibex]

yea but you can craft a weapon

you can't craft tier

[main bridge]

trudat

maybe it is a tier angle

[coral ibex]

hmmm

[sharp sinew]

should i go for champ tier and farm a hero piece to cata or just go straight for the hero piece and cata it

[scarlet orbit]

You could wait till another hc clear from your guild before taking the vault if you get a tier set.

[sharp sinew]

fucking only raid gave me tier

[coral ibex]

i can catalyze 2 hero track items today

so why would i take hero tier from vault

[hallow glade]

Save the cats charge get the norm tier

[old terrace]

when I get my guilded crest, how do I apply it to the weapon crafting work order?

[lean plover]

you can catalize the myth shoulders

[sharp glen]

mythic track Lily or hero track Araz's Ritual Forge? >_<

[dawn kelp]

hmmge curious if forge is gonna sim better then normal prism