if i'm spamming mutes + envenom
#assassination
fallow canopy
I found it fits perfectly, you lose like a few seconds only on the firsr solo kb
versed cove
So are you constantly casting and only pooling when deathmarks coming off cd?
feels like i just run to 0 energy constantly in ST
bitter solar
That is literally the spec in ST
fallow canopy
!design
prisma monolithBOT
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.
Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.
versed cove
got it thank you all! i'm struggling a lot with the dps output rn and can't tell what else i should be doing
limpid hearth
On the bright side your st will improve now
jolly stirrup
I cant wait for my new 4pc to finally drop all my low gearscore gear 
limpid hearth
Get 2pc asap
jolly stirrup
Or even 2pc rather, just gotta pray the vault is good 
grand trail
I found it fits perfectly, you lose like a few seconds only on the firsr solo kb
And what about 3min cds
bitter solar
got it thank you all! i'm struggling a lot with the dps output rn and can't tell...
Whispyr is streaming rn if you wanna watch someone who is doing keys. However he's on an IW high rn.
versed cove
thanks! i will check it out
fallow canopy
And what about 3min cds
I used it fine on 3:12 no biggie
had to hold a lil bit at the end cuz of the intermission but it wasnt too long
haughty flicker
holy gamer
woven trout
!gear
prisma monolithBOT
austere willow
we running precise fiber or energizing fiber boys?
cinder geode
sim
fallow canopy
Math checks out
cinder geode
which tier piece has the worst secondary stats
rotund oak
cinder geode
i hate it here
cunning needle
same
probably chest though since its haste vers
but also whispyr_secondarystats.jpg
rotund oak
i hate it here
dont wanna point fingers but coming from DH discord is pretty rich
cinder geode
idek how i got the tag
cunning needle
you clicked accept
fallow canopy
Bro came with receipts
fallow canopy
Fresh outta of the printer
rotund oak
cunning needle
fellas how far away should a 2pc assa from a 4pc assa
something like 5-6%
hope this helps
thorn thorn
Onion soup got hands
cunning needle
assuming you are 2p2p comparing to 4p
thorn thorn
Rated E
bronze pike
dont wanna point fingers but coming from DH discord is pretty rich
i wanna say we're reformed
but ancine came from the depths of felhammer
personally responsible for him breaking containment
rotund oak
but ancine came from the depths of felhammer
dont wanna express any hate or anything but 1st week of the season,we had the karesh world pvp quest.I killed a DH 10 times because i love killing them.I even spawncamped him for 10min just to establish superiority
cunning needle
dominance status = asserted
bronze pike
dont wanna express any hate or anything but 1st week of the season,we had the ka...
holy based
devout rock
hey guys is it possible to make the deathstalker's mark target looks bigger or other color on plater?
devout rock
think u can magnify it from display yeah
THX i'll take a look
vestal geyser
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGo...
how do you read this? kinda struggling to understand it
ohhhh im getting it now actually
the abbreviations for undermine and Mana forge were tripping me up
cunning needle
runic hinge
4min old receipt
you're 4 minutes old
arctic bramble
not sure if im doing anything wrong but ST dmg feels ass?
astral nymph
can someone do a log review and tell me what im missing or doing wrong?
jolly stirrup
not sure if im doing anything wrong but ST dmg feels ass?
In M+ or raid?
jolly stirrup
can someone do a log review and tell me what im missing or doing wrong?
Maybe Whispyr when he's done streaming
hybrid jolt
Went thru the Sims for assa ST and noticed in execution it was charging prism to 18 and then using on the next deathmark, is this one or both of these
- the reason why it sims poo poo
- the incorrect way to use it and instead use with DM always regardless of charge
balmy condor
that is the correct way of doing it
it also sims very good idk what you mean
it's literally the best trinket we have
hybrid jolt
all the sims ive ran dont rate it very well
balmy condor
are you simming something stupid like 5 target 1 min
hybrid jolt
thankfully the guild took my judgement of it siming bad and gave it to me hero track
balmy condor
are you simming deathstalker?
hybrid jolt
that was for a FB ST sim
hybrid jolt
ahh here we go, my ST sim before getting it
balmy condor
with 4pc forge obviously sucks ass
can you link the actual sim
idk what I'm looking at here
jolly stirrup
Did you time the gambit key Whispyr? Or did it deplete
balmy condor
the second one we +2
patent snow
What ability do we use to exit vanish on FB ST opening?
And do we refresh bleeds during KB?
jolly stirrup
What ability do we use to exit vanish on FB ST opening?
Garrote iirc
As you don't need to ambush for DM
balmy condor
What ability do we use to exit vanish on FB ST opening?
literally doesn't matter
you're just vanishing for double jeopardy
jolly stirrup
Ah i thought at the beginning, but then they would have written stealth. Mb
patent snow
literally doesn't matter
That's kind of what I gathered. So fine to just envenom if you have 5 cp
balmy condor
yes
patent snow
Yeah I meant the vanish after KB
jolly stirrup
Ye I understand now
arctic bramble
In M+ or raid?
both tbh lol
rotund oak
yes
in 2 days this chat gonna be dooming hard
i feel for you already
or wait the nrfs only pvp
jolly stirrup
both tbh lol
ST in m+ with bleed build sucks, that we have to deal with, ST in raid seems to be fine to me?
cursive hatch
I assume this is cooked and I just need to slap lily onto a keybind, but would it work okay for sequencing for me to macro netherprism to vanish and keep lily in my DM macro? Think on my 3 min cds it should just mean I'd have to vanish before hitting DM, not sure if that fucks up anything important outside of the opener or not
obv with fatebound with 4pc in mind for this
haughty flicker
that does sound cooked
cursive hatch
in my head I'd just do something like shiv + vanish > DM > kb > etc and move on with life on the 3 min sets
but I should probably just put lily on its own bind and hit it on the opener and 1:30 use
astral nymph
can someone do a log review and tell me what im missing or doing wrong? Loomithar for basic ST help and Forgemaster for help on cd usage. Any Tips appreciated to point out any mistakes im doing. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vc3YwD8JBQ9RndAk?fight=8&type=damage-done I am Toukachan in the logs
bronze plover
only pvp
hello sir
according to pin sometimes double cd reduction happen and KB come out of cd before cold blood what the best scenario to deal with this?
golden loom
I mightve been very cooked from m+ and ended up sending cds on an add next to araz during the damage amp
haughty flicker
Incredibly based
balmy condor
hello sir
according to pin sometimes double cd reduction happen and KB come out ...
play everything as a 1min timer
haughty flicker
1m deathmark sounds so funny lmao I hope I get this bug
It has something to do with the lucky coin traveling to you right?
bronze plover
play everything as a 1min timer
so we hold KB for DM and then use both and what about 1.5 min trinkets we use it on 3 min then?
rocky fiber
Can someone look at my logs i have no idea what i'm doing wrong i also feel like fatebound plays worse for me then deathstalker while everyone is using fatebound cause i know its stronger. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NnPLj2cWV3TvAq4B?boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2&view=rankings
I'm Mörth
haughty flicker
Yeah theorycrafting for a bug that ideally just gets fixed asap isn't really the best use of time
balmy condor
just press your cooldowns together and if a trinket lines up then good
red schooner
1m deathmark sounds so funny lmao I hope I get this bug
Its just weird, dark ranger hero talent tier is just a flat cd reduction, no qualifiers. Why not do that for FB and save some headache
haughty flicker
Its just weird, dark ranger hero talent tier is just a flat cd reduction, no qua...
Because coins go jingle hehe
red schooner
Because coins go jingle hehe
The coins could still jingle!
golden loom
Bro is the fkin add I sent cds on removed from logs?? Lmao
neat flame
you're just vanishing for double jeopardy
so the rotation guide having mut after vanish is just a minor optimization from sim results?
golden loom
The fuck you mean unknown actor
haughty flicker
Can someone look at my logs i have no idea what i'm doing wrong i also feel like...
well you played deathstalker on loomithar which is strike 1
did dm>kb>shiv instead of dm>shiv>kb on opener
jolly stirrup
can someone do a log review and tell me what im missing or doing wrong? Loomith...
You have 87 log, that's not good enough?
haughty flicker
and didnt shiv the second half of kingsbane it looks like
like these are a bit cursed
then 1m kb you again pressed kb>shiv, and used shiv on the first half of kb instead of the back half
you pressed shiv at 3m but no kingsbane at all
and then you died which probably hurts your dps a bit
rocky fiber
what can i do to make the timeline less cursed on ability use
haughty flicker
also was this a 17 man heroic kill
rocky fiber
i'll work on the shiv with kingsbane i do know i forget to press the second shiv during KB alot
haughty flicker
wtf happened here
rocky fiber
fresh guild
haughty flicker
i mean doing first 4 heroic as 17 man is actually insanely based
but yeah mainly gotta work on your shiv usage
fix that and you should be doing a lot better
rocky fiber
thanks for the tip
haughty flicker
can someone do a log review and tell me what im missing or doing wrong? Loomith...
you also are kinda randomly pressing shiv
vanish was very late on opener, want to press it right after kingsbane
had a random shiv at 40s that kinda just did nothing
which meant you didnt have 2 shivs for second deathmark
smoky cobalt
Is it just me or does sin on heroic forgeweaver feel weird asf?
urban wren
!up
prisma monolithBOT
haughty flicker
had a random shiv at 40s that kinda just did nothing
had another random shiv at 3:39 that again doesnt seem to have done anything
since you just have 2p as fb you just shiv twice with dm and twice with kingsbane as normal
ebon cloud
patent snow
If mechanics force you to miss the timing of your 2nd KB by like 10 seconds, do you skip the KB entirely, or send it and delay DM?
haughty flicker
normally its gonna be better to delay dm by 10s than to lose an entire kingsbane
cyan socket
people im a bit lost! its Caustic Spatter not trackeable now?¿
haughty flicker
it should be
balmy condor
so the rotation guide having mut after vanish is just a minor optimization from ...
literally doesn't matter
astral nymph
Thanks Bel, I was just using shivs to put them on cd since they i was gonna get capped on charges
What is the general rule of thumb of shiving - save up for kb always or ?
haughty flicker
without 4p you just shiv twice every kingsbane
once you have 4p you shiv twice every deathmark then just shiv the back half of each lone kingsbane
as fb
deathstalker still follows the same old shiv rules
with dry shiv and all that
balmy condor
bel you wanna see a banger
haughty flicker
always
balmy condor
people im a bit lost! its Caustic Spatter not trackeable now?¿
!causticbug
prisma monolithBOT
Caustic is not bugged. The Green Puddle on the ground is Poison Bomb, not Caustic Spatter. You are either:
- Not using Deadly/Amplifying poison (or its not applied to your target)
- Not using Rupture on your target
- Not using Mutilate/Ambush if the above two are applied
jolly stirrup
haughty flicker
ashen orbit
there goes that excuse
haughty flicker
banger command
jolly stirrup
banger command
Second this
wary quest
Hello folks, i have a little question i have 0p of any set, does FB still above on ST ? ty 🙂
jolly stirrup
I can have a maximum of 2 catalyst charges right now correct? One "base" and one from 2k M+ rating
jolly stirrup
When do I get 3rd? Next week?
winged quail
Week after
ashen orbit
Oh fuck
balmy condor
every 2 week
marsh fjord
Hello folks, i have a little question i have 0p of any set, does FB still above ...
Why aren’t you simming yourself?
ashen orbit
I was hoping next week
rocky fiber
with dry shiv and all that
What is the proper shiv rule for DS?
jolly stirrup
I was hoping next week
Same for guaranteed 4pc
muted raptor
hey guys, why is that the fatebound is a preferred spec for single target? i mean i dont know what i am doing wrong but it felt like that DS is doing like so much more dmg xD
balmy condor
it does more damage
jolly stirrup
Now I need to pray I get smth next vault or in raid today
wary quest
Why aren’t you simming yourself?
You right, will do Rn 🙂
balmy condor
fatebound does very much more damage
very large more damage
infinity dps
skyrocket to the moon
haughty flicker
What is the proper shiv rule for DS?
shiv twice every deathmark, dry shiv is after deathmark when you have both lingering darkness and darkest night up
balmy condor
elon musk type shit
balmy condor
without the exploding
humble whale
Guys does it make Sense to still play the hybrid build in m+ if you Play with pugs and Tanks Never pull funnel into Bosses? Bc Single target is Legit ass
haughty flicker
then you shiv back half of lone kb
golden loom
DS single target is in the bin
jolly stirrup
DS single target is in the bin
humble cradle
I saw the old pins about new tier being very strong for both hero talents, I was curious if this holds true in mythic plus and does it affect/change shiv usage in m+?
balmy condor
yes, no
bright tartan
Spec called assassination
Needs extra targets to actually assassinate anything in a dungeon
haughty flicker
DS single target is in the bin
fatebound just a casual 15% ahead of deathstalker for me in st
golden loom
fatebound just a casual 15% ahead of deathstalker for me in st
17% for me and thats with signet rolling crit
dense cedar
Remember old poison bomb
jolly stirrup
Can I still follow the Opener in the guide even wo 2pc new set?
muted raptor
fatebound just a casual 15% ahead of deathstalker for me in st
is there some diff in rotation from ds? or you just spam envenoms ? 😄
golden loom
Its the same
haughty flicker
there are some changes but its mainly just moving shiv slightly
and vanishing after kingsbane
rocky fiber
why vanish after kingsbane with FB?
haughty flicker
otherwise yes envenom gaming
inland escarp
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
balmy condor
why vanish after kingsbane with FB?
double jeopardy
haughty flicker
double jeopardy
ashen orbit
ahahha I am vanishing after Kingsbane without any tier just to practise it
haughty flicker
gives big coins
balmy condor
you can vanish before kingsbane if you want
haughty flicker
bigly damage
golden loom
Heroic Nexus king was a joy to fight
muted raptor
otherwise yes envenom gaming
thx for the info ^^
balmy condor
vanish before the shiv
wary quest
why vanish after kingsbane with FB?
will give you 2 more double sided coin
golden loom
Dimensius melee range very annoying..
primal jolt
can dimencius parry KB in 1st phase?
glad shuttle
vanish on pull?
balmy condor
KB can't parry
golden loom
Nothing can parry KB
haughty flicker
i dont think kingsbane can be parried anymore
wary quest
Vanish on connection
jolly stirrup
you can vanish before kingsbane if you want
That we do every 2 minutes when it alligns with DM again
balmy condor
vanish on pull? <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
okay well that doesn't work
languid grail
Guys, playing with FB it its good to use cold blood on cd or i have to wait until tails give me 60% dmg to maximize envenom dmg?
balmy condor
it needs to be between the two envenoms
balmy condor
Guys, playing with FB it its good to use cold blood on cd or i have to wait unti...
!macro
prisma monolithBOT
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
golden loom
Guys, playing with FB it its good to use cold blood on cd or i have to wait unti...
Now we are cooking fella I like it
muted raptor
fatebound just a casual 15% ahead of deathstalker for me in st
what talent build are you using ? 🙂
golden loom
Idk what the 60% damage thing is but I like it
haughty flicker
what talent build are you using ? 🙂
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
balmy condor
Idk what the 60% damage thing is but I like it
I assume he means 6 stack tails but that number is pulled out of completely thin air with no reason whatsoever
languid grail
balmy condor
that's heads
balmy condor
but still no
shell plaza
for FB ST the order is always - shiv -> deathmark -> CB+KB -> vanish -> mutilate -> envenom, right ?
balmy condor
and still pulled out of completely thin air
balmy condor
for FB ST the order is always - shiv -> deathmark -> CB+KB -> vanish -> mutilate...
sure yeah that works
light grove
I dont get it. Are we going Ds or FB early s3 ?
golden loom
for FB ST the order is always - shiv -> deathmark -> CB+KB -> vanish -> mutilate...
If shiv and KB crit you dont even have to mutilate!!!!
muted raptor
all of the answers you seek and more
so i assume you are using the single target wowhead fatebound build right? 😄 i mean i knew about guides, i am just fishing for some first hand info here on discord
balmy condor
I dont get it. Are we going Ds or FB early s3 ?
the image below in raid, deathstalker in m+
haughty flicker
so i assume you are using the single target wowhead fatebound build right? 😄 i ...
yeah i just do what whispyr tells me
balmy condor
If shiv and KB crit you dont even have to mutilate!!!!
shell plaza
If shiv and KB crit you dont even have to mutilate!!!!
if you are on 5 or more combo point after the KB you send envenom without the need for mutilate after vanish ?
balmy condor
if you are on 5 or more combo point after the KB you send envenom without the ne...
you vanish for double jeopardy, the cast after is irrelevant
golden loom
Yeah thats the finisher rules
ashen orbit
so i assume you are using the single target wowhead fatebound build right? 😄 i ...
he wrote it, so yeah
bright tartan
Double trouble
balmy condor
macro vanish to deathmark yolo
haughty flicker
balmy condor
legit doesn't matter
jolly stirrup
the image below in raid, deathstalker in m+
Regardless of set if I understand correct?
ashen orbit
oh boy do I have the video for you if you want some extra information about assasination
balmy condor
Regardless of set if I understand correct?
yes
haughty flicker
about to make the most cursed macro possible brb
shell plaza
people are very helpful here, i dont know how are the other class discords, but here is amazing ❤️
jolly stirrup
Gotta learn that rota today
shell plaza
thank you all
golden loom
No worries big fan of the movies zendaya
jolly stirrup
people are very helpful here, i dont know how are the other class discords, but ...
According to friends, all other DCs are cringe af
bright tartan
Friend asked some questions in mage discord. Got a couple of clown emojis and a link to wowhead guide
haughty flicker
kinda based
distant plinth
is the netherprism better than forge trinket :O?
red schooner
This is why we can't trust mages
glad shuttle
sounds like a good answer
red schooner
is the netherprism better than forge trinket :O?
Dunno. Does the robot say its better?
wary quest
is the netherprism better than forge trinket :O?
sim is the way i guess
rocky fiber
bloodmallet show it as better
thick sigil
Man did araz HC yesterday... God damn that fight is cursed
rocky fiber
with trinket dmg increase
distant plinth
sim is the way i guess
no but i can see that on our "top" sim chart it says netherprism
jolly stirrup
This discord will get me fired, i am looking at my phone more than I work
red schooner
bloodmallet show it as better
We trust the robot over bloodmallet
balmy condor
the fatebound opener is:
some combo of garrote+mutilate until 5cp, rupture, mutilate to 5cp, envenom
from this point on, you can vanish whenever you want
shiv, deathmark, cold blood + kingsbane, mut to 5cp if not already
this is the last moment you should vanish, but if you don't vanish here it's still fine
envenom, mut to 5 again
this is actually the last moment you can vanish, for real this time I promise, have to vanish here or it's doomed
envenom
wary quest
jolly stirrup
the fatebound opener is:
some combo of garrote+mutilate until 5cp, rupture, mut...
Repeat every 2 min because Vanish cd?
balmy condor
Repeat every 2 min because Vanish cd?
no because FB is 1:30
restive eagle
Hey guys, one doubt here. Many times in pulls i did bad my rotation, may I apply caustic before use my CDs? Im talking in m+
balmy condor
1:30 comes up you do the same thing, without vanish
3:00 comes up you do the same thing, with vanish
marsh fjord
Friend asked some questions in mage discord. Got a couple of clown emojis and a ...
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
jolly stirrup
3:00 comes up you do the same thing, with vanish
Understood
balmy condor
Hey guys, one doubt here. Many times in pulls i did bad my rotation, may I apply...
you should be applying caustic before your cooldowns, yes
wary quest
so it's better to not macro vanish on the KB or we will not align it with DM ?
balmy condor
if you macro vanish to KB, you fuck your timings
cause you would vanish with the 2:15 kingsbane
which you don't wanna do
wary quest
that's what i've notived
balmy condor
you could macro it to deathmark I guess
ashen orbit
Whispyr do you actually have time to play the game?
balmy condor
but then in m+ you would turn that off
balmy condor
Whispyr do you actually have time to play the game?
I just finished a 7 hour stream of m+ and hardmode tazavesh
well "just finished"
jolly stirrup
I just finished a 7 hour stream of m+ and hardmode tazavesh
Did you succeed?
glad shuttle
how was hardmode?
golden loom
Good loot?
balmy condor
that was like an hour and a half ago
balmy condor
how was hardmode?
hard
red schooner
Did you do it deathless?
ashen orbit
arh okay, so I just always catch you in the mornings for me, and I guess before bed for oyu
restive eagle
So, the order of rotation in big pulls is, ambush garrote rupture rupture garrote garrote crimson mutilate (caustic applied) CDs and normal rotation? What do you think?
jolly stirrup
arh okay, so I just always catch you in the mornings for me, and I guess before ...
Pretty much
glad shuttle
i like that i did get the answer i expected 😄
red schooner
I dunno I need to actually look into the hard mode thing. I'm inclined to just ignore it completely.
haughty flicker
we walked into hard mode
and our tank got one shot by the second trash pack
so uh
cyan socket
Caustic is not bugged. The Green Puddle on the ground is Poison Bomb, not Causti...
and not tracket on details
haughty flicker
still was good for hero track loot though
jolly stirrup
I dunno I need to actually look into the hard mode thing. I'm inclined to just i...
I like that you don't have to time jt, you can take your swet time and pull everything single if you want
balmy condor
Did you do it deathless?
no, the healer DC'd on the third pack and a dot killed the evoker, then we got to mail room and miscommunicated how to handle the bombs because for some reason the warlock wanted to over-cook it and do some zephyr rescue teleport nonsense to get around the root, then we wiped like 6 times to the dragon because we overcooked it again
ashen orbit
and our tank got one shot by the second trash pack
You didnt dispel?
balmy condor
https://i.gyazo.com/5cf59c7dbeac5266817f50787f27310b.png
INSTANTANEO
NO ES DEADLIO
ES EL INCORRECTO
red schooner
I like that you don't have to time jt, you can take your swet time and pull ever...
The deathless thing makes me think that it'll become toxic as fuck and I don't want the stress 
jolly stirrup
brother i just do damage
Based
glad shuttle
whispyr mr worldwide
ashen orbit
The deathless thing makes me think that it'll become toxic as fuck and I don't w...
Kinda same
haughty flicker
we wouldnt have done it deathless regardless though
haughty flicker
The deathless thing makes me think that it'll become toxic as fuck and I don't w...
ye i mean definitely gotta go in with a group thats chill
red schooner
Kinda same
I just wanna vibe man, I don't push m+ for a reason
haughty flicker
like we just laughed when he died and then we all proceeded to fuck around for the rest of it
balmy condor
whispyr mr worldwide
muy internacional si senor
ashen orbit
Honestly, every season I just look for that specc that I enjoy playing so much I que up for fun
red schooner
ye i mean definitely gotta go in with a group thats chill
Yeah, the issue is finding that group. What're the rewards for non-deathless?
ashen orbit
and then I just play that untill I get bored and unsubscribe
balmy condor
muy feo
haughty flicker
Yeah, the issue is finding that group. What're the rewards for non-deathless?
hero track loot drops from every boss
and it counts as a 10 for your vault which is nice i guess
cyan socket
ES EL INCORRECTO
LOL HAHAHAHAHAA
red schooner
hero track loot drops from every boss
Might have to do it then, I've barely done m+ this week
Still need 3 10s to cap vault.
jolly stirrup
Still need 3 10s to cap vault.
I have one 10 not timed, ama
marsh fjord
no, the healer DC'd on the third pack and a dot killed the evoker, then we got t...
I was watching and I saw you wanted to crash out 😂😂😂
ashen orbit
I have one 10 not timed, ama
streets?
jolly stirrup
I just get the mythic tierset from my one slot, np
balmy condor
I was watching and I saw you wanted to crash out 😂😂😂
bro when the dude went "how does this boss work" an hour and a half and 5 wipes into the dungeon
balmy condor
my fist was about to go through my monitor
haughty flicker
lmfao
marsh fjord
Hahahahahahahah
balmy condor
but instead it's dc city (didn't tell us he was bricking keys all afternoon cause of his dc's)
and then "how boss work"
brother
jolly stirrup
Ok i really need to get work done or you will fr get me fired. Have a great day everyone
coral ibex
my deathless run ended to the healer giving the wrong pw for the musician door before the rp
"i didnt know i'd die to that"
restive eagle
So, the order of rotation in big pulls is, ambush garrote rupture rupture garrote garrote crimson mutilate (caustic applied) CDs and normal rotation? What do you think?
balmy condor
cause our tank just randomly took two autos for like 20mil each
from some random mobs
haughty flicker
oasis is one of the few bosses we didnt wipe to
red schooner
I need to probably run gambit before I try hardmode, never been in that dungeon
haughty flicker
glad shuttle
so ein dolti!
balmy condor
So, the order of rotation in big pulls is, ambush garrote rupture rupture garrot...
sure
there should've been an envenom in there somewhere for darkest night
but yeah that works
ashen orbit
I never understood why we got double garrote
coral ibex
we were legit deathless other than the rp death
balmy condor
is the exact same
balmy condor
it's identical
balmy condor
halcyon flame
it's identical
Sorry to bother ,how big is the 4p in overall damage in m+ ? Atm I have 2set and already feels better than old 4set
glad shuttle
!fuu
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zenith elm
Hello ! 😁
astral gorge
4pc in m+ is bigger than the 2 set
yo i am new here but u talk about my question right now^^ perfect for me.
I get 2 set pc now an it feel rly bad in m+ i perform much better with old 4pc. Is that normal?
restive eagle
Hello guys, in other point, for m+ ypou recommend stone for weapons or oils?
balmy condor
yo i am new here but u talk about my question right now^^ perfect for me.
I get...
no thats insanely strange
restive eagle
What oils? Algari Mana Oil?
balmy condor
yes
astral gorge
means, 2pc old and 2pc new i better then old 4pc?
restive eagle
Im watching your 3h video, thanksç
rose quartz
With new 4p do we shiv before DM?
sharp lily
With new 4p do we shiv before DM?
For Fatebound yes
wanton field
Yo guys whats build its better for Taz hardmode Fatebound for the single target ?
earnest remnant
you just swap talents between pulls
haughty flicker
and yeah just swap before boss
wanton field
Ok ty
edgy scarab
How important is reapplying garrotes after the fight in m+ has started )trash packs) not bosses
balmy condor
With new 4p do we shiv before DM?
fb yes, ds no
wanton field
Cheat death works for Taz hard mode ?
dense cedar
cheat death very obvious choice for deathless hard mode
but playing without elu feels so bad nowadays
humble verge
!gear
prisma monolithBOT
marsh fjord
How important is reapplying garrotes after the fight in m+ has started )trash pa...
Without IC. You don’t it’s a waste
edgy scarab
How do people get caustic to gap crimson tempest on overalls
Ive always had CT higher than caustic
It is lowkey up from the start of the fight always
edgy scarab
Not playing properly
I totally agree because my overall compared to other players is much lower
marsh fjord
And some dungeons aren’t that aoe heavy which can ofcourse be caustic higher
But it mostly comes down to bad usage of CT
edgy scarab
Idk im bleeding right
Ambush main target - garrote rupture, then tab target another mob and i rupture garrote then mutilate main target and rotation starts
marsh fjord
I prefer to CT first and then mut
edgy scarab
Do you track debuffed mobs
My plater has garrote rupture and DM tracking on plater only not sure if i need to add Ct usually i use it close to the packs
Idk about its range
marsh fjord
Yeah I track it
hollow talon
what belt power do we use in m+/raid
edgy scarab
On lets say floodgate first pull is it better to garrote upon moving to gather most targets with IC then rupture twice to get cap agility (5 targets) only?
urban wren
!macro
prisma monolithBOT
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
edgy scarab
Or do u also keep on rupturing to exceed 5+ as much possible
dense cedar
what belt power do we use in m+/raid
you can sim different versions of the belt by clicking the [+] on it in top gear
balmy condor
How do people get caustic to gap crimson tempest on overalls
Ive always had CT ...
Caustic and tempest are 1-2 for most keys
dense cedar
tho its probably eithe crit chain or elec current
balmy condor
As you go higher in key level, caustic can overtake
hollow talon
you can sim different versions of the belt by clicking the [+] on it in top gear
true ty
balmy condor
But ct on top isn’t inherently wrong or bad
dense cedar
ct very strong
edgy scarab
On lets say floodgate first pull is it better to garrote upon moving to gather m...
@balmy condor help pl0x
sonic spade
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spammin...
This TEA macro does not work for me :S
balmy condor
This TEA macro does not work for me :S
Do you have the old ass tea in your bag/bank
The item
sonic spade
hehe ye
dense cedar
hehe :(((((
sonic spade
or wait, no I know i bought it yesterday in rogue class hall but now it's gone :S
edgy scarab
I need henesys BGM
balmy condor
The new zone bgms slap
ashen orbit
it really does
loads of good music this patch
I did enjoy the goblin music, but eventually it became stressful
edgy scarab
Wym tallahart
humble verge
balmy condor
Wym tallahart
Limbo goes crazy
sonic spade
@balmy condor if I do not have the old ass tea what can be wrong else?
edgy scarab
Limbo goes crazy
Kinda scary
dense cedar
maplestory is a game for super sickos
balmy condor
maplestory is a game for super sickos
Yeah cause it’s super sick
And each patch is actually a W
dense cedar
whispyr got the illness
edgy scarab
Go west🔥
balmy condor
A 20 year old Korean mmo shattering it’s all time player count record in 2025 and having double digit % growth 2 years in a row
Insane statistics btw
dense cedar
happy the game is doing well I suppose
balmy condor
Game is great
sonic spade
humble verge
before we use 15 runed on every piece to be done with runed?
dense cedar
only lame people have their vault open on a tuesday
humble verge
if you did the crest "exploit"
dense cedar
don't buy that
wary light
*if* you did the crest "exploit"
What would it matter? If you wait for vault you'd also be done with runed in about 2 hours of opening vault from capping the crests anyway
sonic spade
don't buy that
I know, but my Tea macro doesnt work
humble verge
What would it matter? If you wait for vault you'd also be done with runed in abo...
no
hallow bough
A 20 year old Korean mmo shattering it’s all time player count record in 2025 an...
If I want to be optimal in my m+ rotation, I have to track the ambush procs properly I assume? Cause rn I am fan of the kniving when I got enough ruptures + garrotes spread and crimson tempest rolling
Kinda half ignoring my ambush procs
humble verge
you can only be done with runed
hallow bough
Big dps loss?
dense cedar
I know, but my Tea macro doesnt work
can u take a picture of it
dense cedar
might have bad formatting or osmething from the copy paste
humble verge
u bomba'd
sonic spade
can u take a picture of it
I just had to reload, lawl I think I used the one I bought from that vendor and then the macro broke. But now after reload we are gucci. Thanks anyways! 🙂
dense cedar
well thats good
edgy scarab
A 20 year old Korean mmo shattering it’s all time player count record in 2025 an...
U still play?
balmy condor
U still play?
I just leveled my bucc to 270 before going to bed
balmy condor
If I want to be optimal in my m+ rotation, I have to track the ambush procs prop...
No?
hallow bough
Hmmm
balmy condor
Why would you need to track ambush procs
edgy scarab
I just leveled my bucc to 270 before going to bed
Challenger world?
hallow bough
Because I wouldn't be mutilating would I
humble verge
I just leveled my bucc to 270 before going to bed
this should be u rn
hallow bough
Am I misunderstanding sth
hallow bough
I just leveled my bucc to 270 before going to bed
Pog I got a lv 280 DS
dense cedar
you can't mutilate with blindside up
edgy scarab
whispyr doesn't play videogames
Indeed fake gamer he said 270!
hallow bough
you can't mutilate with blindside up
Right but since there's 3+ targets, I'd be fan of the kniving as generator if I don't have IC up
So I'd not use the ambush procs
Or does it totally not matter?
edgy scarab
Pog I got a lv 280 DS
9 pitch?
hallow bough
4
edgy scarab
Another fake gamer
hallow bough
My khali got 5 set as lv 265
dense cedar
speaking in riddles in here now I see
edgy scarab
edgy scarab
speaking in riddles in here now I see
Yeah sorry wrong channel
dense cedar
no need to apologise, its not serious in such a way
edgy scarab
Maplestory players are kind
vestal granite
Do we drop Master Assassin or Lethal dose for Iron Wire?
dense cedar
and i think they might be evil
balmy condor
Pog I got a lv 280 DS
I have a 280 dw
humble verge
rofl
edgy scarab
and i think they might be evil
U have two examples that theyre not evil
Whisp and tyldor
balmy condor
Because I wouldn't be mutilating would I
Okay and?
balmy condor
Challenger world?
270 xenon on challenger
radiant raven
on first pack in streets
very dangerous bouncer, the biggest threat
dense cedar
U have two examples that theyre not evil
Whisp and tyldor
both evil, play a wow class about attacking people from the shadows
humble verge
very dangerous bouncer, the biggest threat
we win these
dense cedar
very toxic and evil
dense cedar
we win these
that's just depressing
hallow bough
Okay and?
Hmmm, idk, this is too broad but I can't figure out why in big ass pulls my dmg doesnt ramp fast while I follow the rotation properly (clearly not)
And I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong 😛
ashen orbit
we win these
that's so sad
radiant raven
we win these
Blasting. Also the monk name is good
balmy condor
It’s not the ambush I’ll tell you that :P
ashen orbit
Did none of them press proper button?
humble verge
no
sham kinda ruined the run
with that BL
but then also
we somehow had no kicks on the 2nd pull
edgy scarab
both evil, play a wow class about attacking people from the shadows
U win,
Infact Tyldor plays a class called Khali 💀 not a single kind soul plays it
hallow bough
U win,
Infact Tyldor plays a class called Khali 💀 not a single kind soul plays...
Ok ur sleeping on Khali
humble verge
why are we pulling miniboss with that pack
dense cedar
ah
balmy condor
It's prolly THE best dps in the game rn
Holy cope
edgy scarab
HAHAHA
humble verge
i think the government has forgotten about me
my contact was supposed to call me 30 minutes ago
haughty flicker
mission failed
ashen orbit
i think the government has forgotten about me
No taxes?
hallow bough
I was 4600 in overwatch, I can name more things
haughty flicker
we'll get em next time
edgy scarab
Im NW and NL main 🔥🔥
edgy scarab
286, 283
hallow bough
But I'm new to assas, thats why 😄
balmy condor
Im NW and NL main 🔥🔥
You’re literally worse than him
edgy scarab
You’re literally worse than him
And WA + BM !!! 280, 270
balmy condor
And WA + BM !!! 280, 270
You could’ve just said that
edgy scarab
Trust sonto
U mean tommy not tummy
dense cedar
pfft everyone knows uh...
hallow bough
Savages thinks Khali is the best dps in the game rn prolly
hoary remnant
Why do you want to shiv during deathmark not the end of the fatebound shiv and instead the sim wants to use shiv like we used to in the last 7 sec of deathmark?
hallow bough
LOL
edgy scarab
No blaster @dense cedar is topping the chart
hallow bough
Truuueeeee
haughty flicker
im a wow player who got scammed into playing maple
dense cedar
i still play gw2 sometimes
edgy scarab
im a wow player who got scammed into playing maple
Its the way around for me
dense cedar
we all have our evil hearts
haughty flicker
gw2 goes hard
havent played it in a long time but might try out the new specializations
dense cedar
gw2 got cracked gameplay, its just got like 100 stupid problems that a company wiht money could fix
haughty flicker
yeah it has a lot of great ideas and fails to execute on half of them
marsh fjord
gw2 goes hard
Gw3 is coming 👀👀
haughty flicker
lots of potential but doesnt achieve it
dense cedar
Gw3 is coming 👀👀
until its in front of me its not real
humble verge
so @balmy condor with 4p in m+ - do we still double shiv DM?
marsh fjord
until its in front of me its not real
Haha true
dense cedar
something like that
wet wharf
I have a timer that helps me shiv in kingsbane window. Is there any similar WA for DM?
glossy light
in theory, how bad is not targetting deathstalker marked target in m+? like when u need to swap to other target because of xyz
hallow bough
ok u all should flame me
i forgot to vanish after deathmark
thats why my dmg is so fucking shit
khali sucks
gg
edgy scarab
i forgot to vanish after deathmark
So what
balmy condor
in theory, how bad is not targetting deathstalker marked target in m+? like when...
Bad, stop target swapping
balmy condor
I have a timer that helps me shiv in kingsbane window. Is there any similar WA f...
No
balmy condor
so <@167090536602140682> with 4p in m+ - do we still double shiv DM?
Why wouldn’t you
edgy scarab
its not that big of a deal?
Ok explain to me why vanish before
hallow bough
i didnt even think about master assassin or imp garrote, i just used it to spread more ruptures + garrotes
hoary remnant
Why does the sim want to use shiv of the last 7 sec of deathmark and not kingsbane?
hallow bough
still learning rotation
balmy condor
Why does the sim want to use shiv of the last 7 sec of deathmark and not kingsba...
Cause I didn’t swap that text to say deathmark
balmy condor
Cause I keep forgetting
hoary remnant
Cause I didn’t swap that text to say deathmark
ok makes sense
So in Deathmark we use shiv like we did the last couple of years and for raw kingsbane we use it at the last ~8 sec
edgy scarab
i didnt even think about master assassin or imp garrote, i just used it to sprea...
Waiting for whisper to confirm so i register it to my brain
hallow bough
hes gna flame me which i deserve
hallow bough
balmy condor
What am I flaming
balmy condor
i didnt even think about master assassin or imp garrote, i just used it to sprea...
That’s correct
hallow bough
so not vanishing after deathmark is not a big deal to the dmg output?
hallow bough
hmmm alright
hoary remnant
This bug is still not fixed where after the opener they dont align deathmark and kb right?
balmy condor
Not fixed
hoary remnant
But its good for us I guess or?
balmy condor
Yes
edgy scarab
So moving to a new pull from stealth
You want to ambush
garrote garrote rupture rupture CT mutilate main target
How do ppl hit on aoe 25m+ on ptr is that before caustic changes only
golden loom
Nah you do that on live aswell
hallow bough
How do ppl hit on aoe 25m+ on ptr is that before caustic changes only
Trying to figure that out too
I do like 14-15mil and they don't heavily outgear me
It's a skill issue on my end
golden loom
Like first pull of floodgate in a +10 is usually like 26-30m
ashen orbit
Do you have tier?
ashen orbit
Do you have crafted dagger?
edgy scarab
Best i did was 20m on first pull i dont hve trinkets tho i am 4p also
hallow bough
Yes
ashen orbit
Huh
hallow bough
I am 1 week into assas so prolly making a mistake somewhere
ancient rain
Do you have poisons
unkempt pilot
what hero talent are you playing :p ?
edgy scarab
Damn khali players are insane
hallow bough
glossy light
How do you use prism with deathstalker? ik as fatebound u count it as 3min CD, but as deathstalker doesnt seems right to use it every 4min
edgy scarab
Try mouse over garrote and rupture i find it nice to randomly garrote and rupture after selecting my main target
hallow bough
Damn khali players are insane
ngl, id clap back but i deserve the hate
glossy light
do I just macro it to deathmark and use it every 2min?
dense cedar
do I just macro it to deathmark and use it every 2min?
other than saving for damage amps, yes
Well yes, I think so
not 100%
balmy condor
How do you use prism with deathstalker? ik as fatebound u count it as 3min CD, b...
You use every 2
pulsar gulch
Any decent youtube video runs of m+ sin rogues with like those button highlights on to learn from? I feel like i can do well as outlaw but still struggle with consistency with playing assassin
balmy condor
Macro to dm
glossy light
okay thanks
wintry kiln
Any decent youtube video runs of m+ sin rogues with like those button highlights...
watch twitch vods on casual and shin they got button tracking
edgy scarab
On floodgate 10 without trinkets ( using perfidious projector, shadowguard harvestor)
Is trinkets that big of a deal
dense cedar
what is shadwguard harvester
wet apex
Kinda also ur tank is prb a bigger deal
placid pilot
!wa
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edgy scarab
what is shadwguard harvester
Its leech trinket using it for agility only, literally got no trinkets
night vessel
!mo
half tartan
Like first pull of floodgate in a +10 is usually like 26-30m
I got to like 22m how can I squeeze out the last 4-8m
night vessel
can anyone post the mousover rupture real quick?
golden loom
I got to like 22m how can I squeeze out the last 4-8m
I mean its dependent on a lot of factors ofc
half tartan
i got really good gear but idk if i have a log
golden loom
How well you play, how much damage your team is doing so pack dies fast etc etc
half tartan
do yall use a rupture mouseover, or a target last target bind
pulsar gulch
watch twitch vods on casual and shin they got button tracking
Twitch vods are a pain as they seem to force ads down your throat but ill try look through!
I saw somebody playing using thistle tea before shiv although i know the macro on here is shiv first, does it matter much?
balmy condor
Not at all
It’s off gcd
You’d get the same amount of casts out of it
And you’re doing it for the energy mostly anyway
drifting cedar
!fuu
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pulsar gulch
It’s off gcd
I find with the macro i need to press it twice to do both shiv and tea, is that right ?
I seem to remember things before you could macro together and it would do both at same time
balmy condor
It casts both at the same time
pulsar gulch
Hm, ill sanity check that again when im on later, i am using the one from the !macro
tulip fern
I guess maybe if you have the thistle tea as the tooltip you might be baiting yourself into using it off gcd?
Or is shiv also off the gcd, I actually don’t know lol
balmy condor
What
You press button it uses tea
Idk
It sounds like his is sending shiv
Then tea
In two presses
But yeh idk
tulip fern
If he has to press it twice, maybe he is using shiv whilst gcd is going so it casts tea but not shiv is my thinking but its mental gymnastics at this point
balmy condor
Cursed
pulsar gulch
Lmao
sturdy path
if I only have 1 more use of deathmark in a m+ boss fight, is it worth delaying it until < 35% hp for zoldyck?
balmy condor
Sure but unless it’s the last boss of the dungeon you’re probably losing casts
sturdy path
ah that's a good point
subtle tundra
piss yourself
balmy condor
piss yourself
Done
drifting cloud
subtle tundra
thanks
keen spruce
ok now piss myself 
balmy condor
ok now piss myself <:monkahmm:585734084571955211>
I’m going to shit yourself
edgy scarab
How do you sim assa m+ 10 targets and 1 target? And time
keen spruce
How do you sim assa m+ 10 targets and 1 target? And time
dungeon slice
west crown
Am I doing something wrong in keys? Doing normal bleed stuff but consistently only hitting a little over 5 overall while I watch warlocks and other specs doing 7-8
reef blade
Am I doing something wrong in keys? Doing normal bleed stuff but consistently on...
what's ur stuff, do u have 4pc ?
night vessel
can anyone please send me the mouseover rupture macro real quick?
west crown
Nah just got 2 pc and haven’t done a lot of keys with that but not a big difference
jolly stirrup
can anyone please send me the mouseover rupture macro real quick?
The what now?
reef blade
Nah just got 2 pc and haven’t done a lot of keys with that but not a big differe...
whats ur ilvl
west crown
687
peak lake
Fatebound double use is a thing with netherprism ?
Like u can araz pull - nether 1:30 and then u just have 1 use trinket for everyburst
limber lion
can anyone please send me the mouseover rupture macro real quick?
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover, harm, nodead] Rupture
lusty kraken
question, with fatebound how many shivs are you using for the kingsbane only window?
1?
west crown
I’m just wondering if we are doing something new with bleed this go around. Garrote as spender in MA, spread ruptures on anything that will live, tempest, shiv on cd
cunning scaffold
Spread ruptures even if they won’t live for that fat sudden demise
humble verge
WE LOVE
NOT USING POISON TOTEM ON ARAKARA
why do people even bother playing shaman
edgy scarab
why do people even bother playing shaman
Ascendance is cool
burnt turret
!loot
prisma monolithBOT
west crown
why do people even bother playing shaman
I’m there to do damage not be your Swiss Army knife
haughty flicker
humble verge
I’m there to do damage not be your Swiss Army knife
eternal sandal
does shiv not work with atrophic poison? i see the tooltip never includes it and im a bit confused which Nonlethal takes prio when you have two. ty for any response in advance.
wicked kayak
can anyone explain the vers / mastery assa rogues doing way more dmg than crit/ mastery ?
frigid lagoon
is there a wa that'll tell me if i don't have both lethal poisons on?
hexed frost
Guys any strats to using the netherprism trinket? Do I use it on CD or track the stacks first?
golden loom
can anyone explain the vers / mastery assa rogues doing way more dmg than crit/ ...
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
frigid lagoon
did all of hc only applying 1 because of m+ muscle memory 😢
wicked kayak
!stats
that is not what i ask for, I know the stats should be crit = mastery and yet top rogues do way more dmg with mastery > vers > haste > crit
eternal sandal
that is not what i ask for, I know the stats should be crit = mastery and yet to...
maybe they are simply better and the stats are a coincidince?
golden loom
that is not what i ask for, I know the stats should be crit = mastery and yet to...
Yes... Cause lets say all their highest ilvl pieces happen to have verse but also sim the best
Then you equip that
Especially this early in the season ilvl is king
But also, all stats are just damage
eternal sandal
does shiv not work with atrophic poison? i see the tooltip never includes it and...
anyone have any thoughts on this? maybe its a bit out there to ask it.
eternal sandal
guess it would be too op huh, feels rather arbetrary though.
normal mist
Top rogues are simming themselves
torn dome
what should we be crafting first?
spice surge
Mainhand weapon
torn dome
tyty
humble verge
PEP E LAFF
feral wasp
I have around 23k mastery 14k versa and low crit
Should I really opt into some crit
I am planning to play both specs
red schooner
Sim yourself is the answer
Don't sim stats just sim potential upgrades and see what makes the number go up
feral wasp
Ye I simmed, in example 1st boss ring is 3% upgrade for fb single target
red schooner
Then obtain and equip ring and life is good, for the number went up
feral wasp
But I want to stay in the middle ground as possible since I might not have access those specific items for some time
red schooner
You can sim for both specs, just swap spec and re-copy your simc
golden loom
Ye I simmed, in example 1st boss ring is 3% upgrade for fb single target
Fatebound does love crit
red schooner
Or just go fuck it we ball, for sub as long as you don't have a tonne of haste you're chilling
lean topaz
where can I in raidbots sim the different fibers on the cloak
red schooner
where can I in raidbots sim the different fibers on the cloak
I think its the plus button on the cloak
It lets you select other fibers
spice surge
Also in the gem section of topgear
astral nymph
is the stat prio the same for ST and AOE?
red schooner
!stats
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There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
balmy crater
can someone pls explain why in the opener guide for Deathstalker single target it's DM, shiv, KB, but on Fatebound single target it's shiv, DM, KB?
like why does the shiv come before the Deathmark on Fatebound?
red schooner
can someone pls explain why in the opener guide for Deathstalker single target i...
My understanding is, it buffs the coins that come out
So they do more damage and it works out as a gain. Or something like that
balmy crater
ah okay great, I don't have much experience with fatebound and am fighting muscle memory and confusing myself but glad to know there is a reason, thank you
lost wharf
Do we then Shiv the last 8s of Deathmark or the last 8s of Kingsbane?
spice surge
Kingsbane
neon viper
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Kingsbane
I think the last 8 of DM
in FB when you have DM your shivs practically are back to back
spice surge
No
marsh fjord
in FB its better to shiv DM instead of KB yes
Whispyr said so himself 😄
( if i remember correctly)
spice surge
Then he forgot to update the guide ig
radiant yoke
How to balance spamming mouse over rupture /garrote spam, and caustic spatter envenoms.
On big pulls are you guys spamming bleeds until the end of the subterfuge buff?
marsh fjord
Then he forgot to update the guide ig
I think it was because of the damage coming from the double flips instead of KB.
golden loom
Why wouldnt you shiv to cover the last 8 seconds since its 100% fully stacked by then as FB
marsh fjord
Let me find the message hold on
earnest quail
golden loom
Yeah thats the first shiv
hollow fulcrum
am i the only one who finds fatebound kinda fun
radiant yoke
It's good it works already with double 2pc
spice surge
Do you like fatebound or do you like not-deathstalker
hollow fulcrum
idk i like sitting there and being like omg how many coin stacks in a row am i gonna get before it flips
radiant yoke
Rupture sniping and pumping boss damage is fun
spice surge
Besides vanishing for double jeopardy you just play it like you dont have any hero talent at all
red schooner
Besides vanishing for double jeopardy you just play it like you dont have any he...
Its great
hollow fulcrum
i just learned to vanish right after kb
hollow fulcrum
i thought vanish was useless untim them
marsh fjord
@golden loom
golden loom
I do like the dopamine hits of mutilate envenom mutilate envenom
red schooner
idk i like sitting there and being like omg how many coin stacks in a row am i g...
I managed to hit 20 tails ones on a target dummy
spice surge
The 4p bug is stupid
red schooner
200℅ tails damage or something wack
hollow fulcrum
damn
hollow fulcrum
i need 2 piece bad i dont do any damage with no tier
balmy condor
Sleeping
waxen oyster
you guys need to read your talents
balmy condor
What
waxen oyster
and spellbook
balmy condor
Where
golden loom
The 4p bug is stupid
Just dont have 4 set
red schooner
Go back to sleep
hollow fulcrum
i just started playing it yesterday
red schooner
Just dont have 4 set <:garf:1320173032743899157>
Just do splits, easy 4 set. But at what cost
balmy condor
I wake up and the first thing I see is fuckin hekili
balmy condor
Life is hell
wicked kayak
any ideas why this " /castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null " macro with shiv is not working ?
balmy condor
They were yapping about you saying this should be back-to-back instead
Yeah that should be dm
spice surge
red schooner
any ideas why this " /castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null " macro with shiv i...
Do you have tea in your bank?
marsh fjord
@balmy condor we were wondering abotu the second shiv if that should be the last seconds of KB or DM
Sorry for waking you up
balmy condor
Dm yes
golden loom
Hmm I guess I should not use the kingsbane timeline anymore then
balmy condor
Kb is full stacked basically insta
So it’s either shiv for end of dm or shiv and don’t get dm
Because either way you’re buffing kb
And being in dm is better than not
So shiv during dm good
waxen oyster
Also like
hollow fulcrum
how much of a dps dofference is it