assassination

[hexed root]

i have a lot of different gear goals with dungeon slice vs ST

[vivid seal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal lantern]

and even then its just "sim it, who cares"

[lilac moon]

guys for tyrannical key isnt better to go with a"hybrid build" for more single target instead of bleed?

[royal lantern]

hybrid is not more st

never was

[lilac moon]

what the flip

[main bridge]

there are no more tyrannical keys lmao

[lilac moon]

i though it was better in st

[dry night]

what the helly

[main bridge]

every key is both tyrannical and fortified

[snow kindle]

yes the hybrid build was more ST in S2 idk if its the same in S3 tho

[main bridge]

i think that change is actually years old

[lilac moon]

Sry another classic skill issue

[royal lantern]

was lierally never the case

[snow kindle]

early season everyone is playing any build

[royal lantern]

no?

it was not?

[snow kindle]

Why would it not be

[royal lantern]

because it...isnt...?

[snow kindle]

youre taking twisted knife and dashing specifically for ST

[royal lantern]

like, it literally never was "more st and more aoe"

it was "different dmg spread"

[royal lantern]

you take them for more envenom dmg

aka also aoe

[snow kindle]

Dashing is useless in aoe

[royal lantern]

because you lose aoe dmg from other talents that are more bleed focused

and hybrid doesnt take TTK and dashing

[snow kindle]

the whole point of the Twisted/dashing is for ST

[royal lantern]

you talk about the shity "dont play this shity zeross brainlet build"

[snow kindle]

Which ones the hybrid

just twisted knife?

[royal lantern]

open wowhead

[vivid seal]

the old open wowhead

why you being annoying

[royal lantern]

because somebody asks a question

they answer wrong

and didnt even read the guide themself

why are you being annoying

[main bridge]

if say something wrong on the internet someone is gonna tell you

[hexed root]

we're rogues

annoying is in our nature

[royal lantern]

hybrid and bleed was literally never "one more st one more aoe"

it always was "one does more dmg trought bleeds, the other more trought spatter", ST dmg overall the same

and then there is the weird cleave build that 99,999% of people should never really touch, which is an entirely different thing

[orchid pewter]

The anti cleave propaganda is crazy btw

Was legit playable in 10s last season

[royal lantern]

its good for what it aims to be

BUT most people should never touch it

[royal lantern]

what keys did you do where stuff in 10 keys didnt explode in 10seconds so you could cleave properly lol

literally the entire point of it is cleaving from a beefy target

what beefy targets exists in a 10

[red schooner]

Fatebound was playable in 10s last season as well

It was 10s

[glad tusk]

Any1 has tips for a good plater profile? having issues with seeing who has bleeds and who doesnt in big pulls 😄

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[snow kindle]

The cleave build felt better in any key where anyone did no boss damage

[glad tusk]

ty

[snow kindle]

When pugging it always feels like people can AOE but never ST or prio

[livid dagger]

You can also just find someone’s profile you like and turn off everything except the 3-4 things you wana track

[grim jay]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[night vessel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[errant hawk]

hi guys, why bis trinkets on wowhead are different than bloodmallet ?

[pseudo dust]

Dumb question but does lethal mark double envenom damage ? Or only poison application ? Some tooltips are misleading on this spec so i was wondering

[chrome blaze]

BLoodmallet is only a 'sim' of a 5minute, 1 target fight, and some trinkets perform better in a Sim than in a real fight. Alot of nuance there in the actual fights that can affect

[shy creek]

what people have week 1 of the season is generally very diffetent than what they want

[proper pulsar]

21k crit without flask and 13k mastery its good enough to fatebound raid with 4 piece?

[grim jay]

because bloodmallet just has individual sims and wowhead has the combination. 2 on-use suck on sin thats why you go for 1 on-use and one passive

which ends up being prism/araz and antenna in both cases

prism also has some fightlength-nuances, since its practically useless on pull and effectively a 3 min trinket with fatebound

[coral ibex]

nah ur stats are fucked

what kind of question is this tho

like actually

its not like the spec literally stops functioning if you dont have a certain amount of crit

[proper pulsar]

bro i have like 17 different itens on my bag

im just asking

[coral ibex]

sim

sim

raidbots.com

its always the answer

[proper pulsar]

yeah and on raidbots thats the best build

[coral ibex]

nobody knows what gear you have

[proper pulsar]

with thats stats

[coral ibex]

ok

[proper pulsar]

xD
]

[coral ibex]

so equip it

no?

[proper pulsar]

idk about the cap, thats the reason why i asked, you dont need to be gross

[coral ibex]

what cap

[proper pulsar]

stats cap

[vocal seal]

how do we sim for aoe / dungeons ?

5 targets patchwork 1min30 ?

[coral ibex]

you never said the word cap

until just now

you asked if you had "good stats"

which doesnt really mean anything

all stats are good for assa

[snow kindle]

just sim and ignore

[coral ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

dont be a stats andy

[proper pulsar]

bro i play rogue has 4 months

im learning yet

i did just a question, idk who fucked your mind

but its all good

ty for infos

❤️

[snow kindle]

youre fine man just ignore them

[cedar flicker]

Cap

[spice lagoon]

boys i need a beast wa anyoen got one i can import

[cunning needle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[livid dagger]

He hath freed my mind from the worry of secondary stats 🙌🏼 just get whatever man

[brave stump]

that's not accurate

it's way too nice articulated

[unborn rain]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[manic quartz]

how do you cope at the soul hunters as assa? do you just pick one target and be on that, that fight is so hectic wtf

[indigo thicket]

what embellishments we looking like this season?

[sharp mango]

Hey so we`re supposed to use Netherprism every 3 min , so on every second deathmark as FB with new 4pc right ? does that mean we just dont have an on use for the opener ?

[vague dragon]

Is using tea every time with shiv necessary in single target ot just with second shiv ?

[old terrace]

wtf My mutilate has been replaced with ambush

[main bridge]

look at the talent Blindside

probably a good idea to read all of your talents, seriously

[old terrace]

I did

its not that

It procced once but said I can't use ambush in combat

now I have two ambushes in my spellbook

[main bridge]

sounds like yet another bug

[old terrace]

and no mutiliate

[main bridge]

i think i've heard of this though, just talent out of Blindside and back into it

should come back

[old terrace]

didn't work :((

[main bridge]

you activated the talents after removing Blindside?

[elfin fossil]

Is that…. console? 🫢

[old terrace]

I can't activate the talent if I can't use mutiliate

[old terrace]

yes...

[crystal kite]

get the "True Stat Values" addon. It shows just how close you are to the cap of a certain stat and what kind of penalty you are getting.

[main bridge]

you don't need to know or care about stats in 2025

[tight condor]

YOu can just macro vanish to kingsbane right

[main bridge]

i think Whispyr removed that from the guide because you don't do it with 4pc or something

[shy creek]

p much

I look like an inter anytime we have an early wipe

[sharp mango]

dope ty xd

[shy creek]

but if the pull gets deep enough i even out

[tight condor]

hm really? Why that

[tight condor]

any idea why

[main bridge]

not totally sure

we vanish because of Edge Case but i'm not sure how or why that changes with 4pc

[fallow canopy]

If you macro to kb you'd use it on your 2:14 kb by mistake

*2:15

[tight condor]

Ah

[fallow canopy]

Instead of the 3min dm

[hearty seal]

looked at talents for a long time
I don't really understand
why tf is every side of the last third of the tree
a mix of AoE and ST talents
like, it's usually different for other classes, no? they have AoE stuff to one side, and ST stuff to the other, most of the time

[tight condor]

So just a timing issue

[vague dragon]

can anyone help me with this

[crystal kite]

The Fatebound 4set reduces cd and it does not line up correctly.

[spice lagoon]

whispers plater had do i import it?

do i import it thru my plater ?

[main bridge]

yes

profiles -> import

[static glacier]

if they let us take everything they'd have to aura nerf the spec

[old terrace]

eff me dude, I tried to work around it by making a macro to /cast Mutilate but it automatically selected the Ambush icon, and still says requires stealth.

[runic hinge]

did you try chaging to outlaw and back

[old terrace]

Yup

No worky

I tried removing the talent too

[runic hinge]

did you try exiting the game for 5 minutes

[old terrace]

Thats my next step after I finish this delve in sub spec

[static glacier]

have you tried stealthing and casting ambush?>

or respeccing

[old terrace]

yes, and yes

[past grail]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[static glacier]

so you cant play sin until this bug is fixed?

[old terrace]

ambush works fine from stealth, and during my carnage window, but after that Im stuck spamming fan of knives lol

[elfin fossil]

try playing on pc

[old terrace]

seems like it

[static glacier]

lmao bro cant cast mut

[elfin fossil]

[old terrace]

I am on pc

[hearty seal]

well, yes, of course
but I just don't get the design intent there
doomblade is a solely ST talent that leads into both talents that are great in AoE (and only one is decent in ST), which lead to required AoE talents also
dashing scoundrel is a solely ST talent that leads directly into Poison Bomb, an AoE talent
and there's arterial precision too, which you can't get without picking up at least one ST talent
so all three branches of the tree have AoE and ST talents mixed in

[static glacier]

I don't get the design intent behind a lot of shit

like stealth mechanics, deathstalker mark

[hearty seal]

ok yeah fair point

[static glacier]

its just dogshit frustration at worst and at best you feel normal

[hearty seal]

DSM feels like it was designed without thinking about anything but target dummies, like there's so many edge cases with that shit

[static glacier]

I hope they reconsider deathstalker atleast for midnight

heck even fatebound

[elfin fossil]

Make it a personal buff pls

[static glacier]

why the fuck did they bake in anti-funnel

what other class has such dogshit

in their tree

im not talking tuning btw

just mechanically how the talents work is dogshit

[hearty seal]

I'm not sure anyone else has a hero talent tree that says "you lose that debuff on the target, you lose 80% of your hero talents"

[static glacier]

100% no?

[hearty seal]

you keep the defensives

that's it

[static glacier]

lmao

kekw

[hearty seal]

and the momentum/ftb

[static glacier]

fair fair

[tranquil lynx]

what can be improved running Hybrid build

[hearty seal]

not running hybrid for Floodgate IMO

it's very bleed-friendly

[static glacier]

igni has the truth of it

[hearty seal]

I figure the only dungeons where you switch off bleed are like
both Tazavesh wings

[jaunty sky]

beaten by ret

[hearty seal]

otherwise it's all bleed season for a long, long time

[jaunty sky]

tavazesh works on bleed tbh

streets kinda sucks

but still doable

[hearty seal]

streets has so few packs where bleed is good, I'd probably run cleave there

like the first room, and the packs after the second boss

that's about it

though mark management is a fucking pain then

[jaunty sky]

yeah the real play would be to go sub

[static glacier]

i just want to be free

every time i play an alt i get to relax

[hearty seal]

six more months or so, trust

copium hit

[static glacier]

when I rolled rogue it wasn't anywhere near this cringe

[grim jay]

trickster is kinda fun imo

[cursive reef]

Trickster would of been nice on Assassination

[grim jay]

could be better, but its somewhat interesting and not too obstructing

[tough gorge]

Where is kingsbane?

If it's doing less dmg than clear the witness you must be doing something wrong.

[golden loom]

gambit you for sure run bleed

[static glacier]

for the most part I dont mind trickster ye

[hearty seal]

what for? murloc first pulls?

most of the dungeon is small pulls or bosses

[static glacier]

I just dont understand why they engineer so much friction for rogue

[hearty seal]

like after you're done with murlocs, you're basically done with pulls of more than 6-8 targets

[golden loom]

very good for whole first section, can pull mobs onto dragon boss and it does its job int he end

[hearty seal]

I feel like boss damage is more important in gambit

[real pike]

we don't do the dry shiv in Fatebound right? or do we?

[hearty seal]

as long as you can do some basic AoE

[tough gorge]

Once I get 4p, ima test ST fatebound but remove vicious venom for CT. I think it has potential.

[stone eagle]

no you don't get the buff after DM

[golden loom]

I mean you do insane boss dam on dragon as bleed

[real pike]

tyty

[stone eagle]

afaik is saving your shivs to KB window

[hearty seal]

hmmm
how?

[golden loom]

you pull a pack onto boss

and bleed does its thing

[hearty seal]

I'll suggest this to my tank next time

[golden loom]

the pack infront of the boss is like basically made to be pulled with the boss

[jaunty sky]

you can also just drag the big guys around in the murloc section

[golden loom]

and the murloc section alone makes bleed 1000% the play

like playing that as anything else sounds beyond aids

[jaunty sky]

i play hybrid and send cds on a 180mil hp target(+10 btw)

[hearty seal]

well, I'll have to compare, I've only run gambit like three times

[jaunty sky]

even with bleed these murlocs fall over way too quickly

[old lily]

Hey guys, so i got a question, i'm pretty sure i'm doing something very wrong with singular focus and i'm not certain exactly what.
if we compare this log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zjbDaKwyAxQnZJ1p?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=162 to any of the other top logs for some reason my singular focus does sub 1%. any idea why?

[old terrace]

I relogged, hope I get mutilate back lol

[old lily]

to my knowledge i only had my mark on the boss the entire fight, so i don't kno why any of the damage i did to the adds didn't get "transferred" to the main target via SF

[jaunty sky]

yeah you def wanna have mark for the add phase big guy

[old lily]

i probably am unaware exactly how to apply said mark, like i only used DN envenom on the boss

[jaunty sky]

you wanna have DN up when u go to adds

send the DN envenom on the big guy

[golden loom]

its soulbinder

u dont swap from boss

[jaunty sky]

wait i thought it was king

lmao

[old lily]

exactly hence why idk how i didn't get the damage on the boss from SF

does the mark that SF redirects damage to disappear after some time?

[old terrace]

relogging fixed it! 😄 I am now a complete sin rogue againb

[jaunty sky]

i mean if DM isnt up on the boss while the adds are out

you dont do SF dmg

[wheat fern]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[real pike]

hooooly shit I'm simming 3.5m DPS on Deathstalker and 4m on Fatebound...I did not realise the gap was that big

[hearty seal]

also was thinking about next week
is it worth to pump gilded into second crafted item (bracers most likely, so shit slot) for 720, or settle for 704 and instead pump whatever mythic items you get?

[jaunty sky]

depends on the mythic item i guess

[old lily]

is DM not up 100% when i only envenom'd the boss?

[real pike]

mythic items imo, because if you craft an item then get a mythic drop/vault for that slot

[jaunty sky]

no

[real pike]

it's unfortunate

[jaunty sky]

bc you consume 3 marks and then u reapply with DN

[hearty seal]

tbh this season there's no real option for crafted

[sharp mango]

id also say mythic items , just craft wrists or something with runed crest from campaign

[iron ivy]

Hi, question about eco dome second boss. My deathstalkers mark disappeared due to the "remounting" of the boss, anyone know a good workaround (other than vanishing and reapplying the mark)?

[vague dagger]

first time playing fatebound today, anything specfic to keep in mind or just play normal rota?

[iron ivy]

Or do we just accept it and move on? :p

[royal lantern]

not really tbh

its mixed overall

some classes get basically everything all the time

some have too chose

[jaunty sky]

you gotta plan around it if possible

[hearty seal]

crafted belt is only better than delve belt as 720
crafted boots even at 720 are worse than champ cloak cantrip boots (and I have a pair)
so wrists it is

[old lily]

so while i have darkest night i do not have deathstalker's mark on the boss, but then once i proc the darkest it get's re applied to the boss?

[jaunty sky]

yeah

[river acorn]

Does anyone have a good weakaura for rupture / garrote count? and how many targs it's on

[hearty seal]

default whisp auras has counters I think

[grim jay]

neck is still a valid slot

[hearty seal]

can't put a nerubian thingamajig on it, no? though I guess at this point it's like 800 secondary stat and doesn't matter

[jaunty sky]

for writhing armor banding? idk man

[grim jay]

cba to use writhing

diff is marginal and some others dont need to stack first

lens actually simmed higher for me aswell

[native heron]

!wa\

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
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Whispyr's Plater

[old lily]

looking at the log i had darkest night 3 times during 2:00 and 2:36 phase, but my SF only did 6 million damage, how in the world is my mark then not applied on the boss

[jaunty sky]

idk man you played the character not me

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zjbDaKwyAxQnZJ1p?fight=last&type=auras&spells=debuffs&hostility=1&target=162&ability=457129

check your mark downtime

[half dawn]

bruh i love the bleed build fr

[real pike]

guys should I be activating Fateful Ending consistently? especially on opener? first time playing Fatebound

I have the new 2pc

[grim jay]

reading the guide is always a really good point to start at

[old lily]

yea i can see it goes from 3-2-1 from 2:02 to 2:14 but then shouldn't all the FoK damage be redirected with SF

[real pike]

it is, I'm on the rotation page and couldn't see anything

but my bad if I've missed it somewhere else

[mighty vine]

You should be getting Fateful on your opener with 2pc

[dense cedar]

fully guaranteed

[tranquil lynx]

i dont use kingsbane

[real pike]

thanks chaps

[forest meadow]

Hey guys! In like a big pack lets say 10 mobs, how many would you rupture? Like 2x max rupture or more?

[real pike]

I'm sure this is also somewhere on the guide, but I can't find it - on Fatebound should I send first shiv before KB or for the last 16 seconds?

instinct tells me it doesn't really matter but I'm an idiot

[vocal seal]

Should i use Internal bleeding instead of Splatter in Taz Street ? pulls arent really big

[mighty vine]

Shiv before deathmark with Fatebound

[hexed root]

perfecto gapping others on sub, time to cave into the fomo

[ocean ore]

this breakdown is correct for a streets 12?

[real pike]

and on the non-DM KB windows? does it matter where I put the first shiv exactly?

[reef timber]

am i turbo dumb for trying to spread ruptures to all the mobs that have garrote in my opener? i feel like im doing too much in the opener and not getting into cooldowns fast enough

[real pike]

all you really need to do is spread rup to 5+ targets and use garotte as your point builder to do so

that will get those two bleeds on enough mobs

then put your CT up and start envenoming

[jaunty sky]

@old lilyhttps://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zjbDaKwyAxQnZJ1p?fight=last&type=damage-taken&hostility=1&sourceclass=NPC&pins=0%24Main%24%23909049%24auras-gained%241%24170463338.0.0.Rogue%24170463338.0.0.Rogue%24true%24233816.0.0.Boss%24true%24457160%7C457129%2495
add dmg with overlayed DSM uptime(you only do SF dmg if you got DSM on the boss and adds are up)

[fervent relic]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

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[mighty vine]

With 2 pc its kind of weird, ideally you want to wait 2 seconds or whatever so you can have the 2 shivs running for the tail end of kingsbane since thats where the damage is loaded

However with 4pc you wont be able to line up 2 shivs due to the CDR on KB/DM so you'll only be able to shiv the last 8 seconds of KB

[old lily]

so from 2:02 to 2:13 the boss should have taken a bunch of damage from SF then no? since the mark was on the boss and 2:17-2:25

[real pike]

ok cool, makes sense

kind of glad I don't have 4pc ngl, going from DS straight to 4pc FB would be rough for my smooth brain to learn

this way it's smaller steps

[jaunty sky]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zjbDaKwyAxQnZJ1p?fight=last&type=damage-taken&hostility=1&target=162&ability=457236
SF dmg to boss

and all dmg to adds overlayed with your SF damage
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zjbDaKwyAxQnZJ1p?fight=last&type=damage-taken&hostility=1&pins=0%24Main%24%23244F4B%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%24170463338.0.0.Rogue%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24457236&sourceclass=NPC

i think you can see the ones you missed for whatever reason

[subtle tundra]

sub rogue looks so op... assa loser spec once again

[reef timber]

if we have the ability to spread more ruptures during our stealth window before DM, why would we not? in my smoothie brain, it would be doing more damage during my DM/Shiv window. Are we just purely rupturing for SoB only?

[old lily]

yea i had 4 seconds where i got a DN proc 2:14-2:18 where it obviously didn't do anything

[subtle tundra]

depends on build.
bleed build bleeds a bit more than hybrid

[old lily]

still when i compare the damage to the top HC rogue log the other rogue in that timeframe got 33m when mine hit for 6, or is that just a difference in tier set maybe?

[subtle tundra]

caustic is such an insanely overtuned tool that you just want to get into envenoming

[jaunty sky]

you fully missed SF dmg for the first add spawn, the 3min30 one you basically fully missed as well

[reef timber]

yeah i’m playing bleed build. So the recommendation is just to get to 20 stacks and just garrote?

i guess i’m dumb

[old lily]

probably me not knowing how to read logs properly, but it seems like the mark was only missing for 8 seconds (obviously a lot considering it's a 30-ish second timeframe

[subtle tundra]

the minimum is 5 ruptures, you usually do more on bleed

[jaunty sky]

on my 4min normal kill i had more total SF dmg than you

[hoary scroll]

do i use shiv now at 1 stack as assa rog deathstalker?

[subtle tundra]

but that applies while in IC

so opener

[old lily]

during the add phase i was spamming FoK and Enven on the boss, i assume that's not wrong to do during that phase, how else would i maintain the mark on the boss

[marble wadi]

on waht raid bosses do we use cleave talents

[subtle tundra]

you also garrote everything during IC

[acoustic roost]

Wowhead guide

[jaunty sky]

you're also rupturing adds for some reason, i guess for energy?

[old lily]

Yes

[outer turtle]

Hello guyz I have a question, are there any bullions in this patch for bad luck protection to get items from the raid?

[jaunty sky]

in .5 patch

[outer turtle]

when will be live .5?

[real pike]

bro you get so many blindside procs as FB hahah they just don't stop coming

[jaunty sky]

[distant plinth]

wheres the pin about stacking HUGE crit again from whispyr?

[jaunty sky]

few months

[pure moth]

First bullet point of top pin

[old lily]

Thanks for the help, I'm still puzzled as to why so I'll have a look again later.

But appreciate the effort and tips 🙂

[distant plinth]

ahh he edited it abit, sorry didnt read haha

[quasi ledge]

But we dont spread garrote on adds right? For example at Soulbinder

[pure moth]

All good

[summer shoal]

!talents

[mighty vine]

You'd only spread a rupture to energy snipe but thats about it, you're just cleaving off of boss with caustic for the most part

[jaunty sky]

just try to have DSM with more than one stack up for whenever the adds spawn basically, try to reapply it as quickly as possible during adds and maybe ask your non funnel ppl to chill on the add dmg

[winged quail]

27 eco domes this week

there is a god and he is cruel

[shy axle]

are there any bosses where you would use splatter as fatebound or are all bosses apart soulbin/araz/dhs just strictly st?

[winged quail]

last two fatebound spatter are good

[tawny geyser]

What's up with the adds on the start of Streets?
They take zero damage. I've been farming it for quite some time now and 99% of the time I'm overall top dps, but only those adds won't ramp up the numbers. I dont see any debuffs.

[winged quail]

the ones that drop shields?

[old lily]

Thank you

[tawny geyser]

At the very starts, adds 18 and 4

[winged quail]

those guys don't do anything that should reduce damage

[jaunty sky]

yeah looking at my log i do pretty good dmg there

[winged quail]

the support officers in 2 and 3 shield mobs, but in 18 and 4 there aren't any

[real pike]

what am I missing? sim tells me changing a ring enchant from vers to crit is a 90k dps loss?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pkkskmVUCbC6b8HvBp7q2p

what have I done wrong 😭

[tawny geyser]

yea weird idk...shaman/mage ramps up to 15mil, meanwhile I'm at 6mil with all bleeds up on all 5 of them.

[jaunty sky]

do they pop cds

my first pull on streets yesterday

2 shivs

dont think i need 2 tbh

[real pike]

another dumb question 🙂 do we skip this muti if we already have 5+ CP after the KB? does it serve any purpose other than building?

[granite sentinel]

anyone have dimensius p3 aura for amplify guys?

[warm vortex]

So
If you have a big pack
and you go in, and dot them up
and do everythign
then deathmark
do you spend that deathmark speading gars/rups
or do you just spread gars and enven

[jaunty sky]

If theyre all dotted up, who are you spreading ruptures and garrotes to

[warm vortex]

My friends

:D

[lunar sonnet]

It reads as if both rings are slot 1, im on mobile so its hard to see much detail, but id suggest trying top gear for this, tick the box that says replace existing enchants/gems then go and click the enchants you want to compare.
Top gear has almost everything i need for doing any sim comparing stuff

[ocean sorrel]

is there any assa guide in this discord?

[warm vortex]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[warm vortex]

Use wowhead

[quasi ledge]

Pins and Whispyr on yotuube

[real pike]

yooooo you are right I did put slot 1 for both

I get dumber with each passing day fr

[ocean sorrel]

thx

[lunar sonnet]

Haha it happens

[real pike]

I tried top gear and it was a disaster hahah

but I didn't tick the box you mentioned

probably why

[lunar sonnet]

Yeah, if you just dont select anything but the enchants you want to compare, it should only be a couple of combinations

[sand jewel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pine cave]

!kb

[prisma monolith]

The Kingsbane Bug associated with the Fatebound 2 Set Bonus was not fixed on PTR. We have no way of knowing if it is fixed on live servers, as tier is not available until next week. Fatebound sims reflect the bug and are still much stronger.

[pine cave]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[acoustic kite]

are there any notable sin rogue comps emerging? Currently playing w brew, ret, fury, r sham and something just feels off

[high sundial]

How can you learn the !commands?

[sand sigil]

ppal sin arcane x x

rdru/boomy/fdk/rsham/disc

[viscid python]

out of cds do I have to just mantein bleeds and evenom debuff, and avoid to waste tistle tee?

[spice surge]

You do not need to think about tea no

[viscid python]

okeoke

[sullen monolith]

Does Dungeon slice supported for rogues in raidbots? ( I mean, is it accurate? Since i know for mages, ds is not giving any good details)

[royal lantern]

yes, very good supported

[slim hamlet]

You shouldn't have full cp if you are doing that opener

[real pike]

I think you can get to 5 occasionally? if everything crits?

[slim hamlet]

Shiv + KB = max 4 (I dont actually know if initial KB can even seal fate)

[real pike]

I must have been doing something wrong then

[slim hamlet]

Wait let me check something

[real pike]

will have to have a look after raid

[hearty seal]

it can

[slim hamlet]

Yea

Was just checking if DM garrote duplicate actually gave 1 cp but no

max 4

[real pike]

weird, no idea what I was doing on

[vocal seal]

what counts as a deathstalker effect ? mark and ?

[vocal hedge]

is it fine to macro prism to dm?

or how would i go about using it

[slim hamlet]

If you are playing AP the crits of the extra shivs will give you CP too

[quartz kiln]

Hello, I come to ask for advice. How do you use the Netherprism? Do you use the first CDs and then wait to have x charges? How many?

[vocal hedge]

I found this #assassination message

[shrewd grotto]

where is whispyrs plater/wa? i forgot the command for it

[quartz kiln]

ill try it, thanks

[shrewd grotto]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[half dawn]

idk what it is, i have no issues with the bleed build or pure st fatebound build, but the cleave/deathstlker build just fucks me up

[sick garnet]

Guys, how do we play the netherprism trinket?

[coral ibex]

#assassination message

[sweet oasis]

do i run deathstalker until i get 4pc?

i dont have any undermine tier either

[zenith tree]

Just had a dev evoker use deep breath to completely cheese the interrogate mechanic on first boss of Streets do we have any fun stuff like that???

[shy axle]

do you use fok with the ds buff active while using the 2p set during shiv or is it still better to mut due to vv?

[grim jay]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[real pike]

what does AP mean in this instance? aha

[coral ibex]

arterial precision

the cleave shiv talent

bottom left

[kindred breach]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[real pike]

are people using Vanish for mark application or imp bleed spread on soul hunters?

[grizzled silo]

can cloak before cast goes off

[astral nymph]

hey guys- what do we use from vanish in ST, Garrote or Envenom?

[shy axle]

isnt the fok command the old one? idk if there is something new with it being buffed by the 60% 2 set?

[zenith tree]

That's big, I vanished it and it did a recast on me after watching my evoker do his thing lol

[harsh harbor]

So the trinkets for fatebound and deathstalker would probably be different due to the 1:30 vs 2m cooldowns correct?

[coral ibex]

you can just use a 90s trinket on deathstalker

but yes

[balmy condor]

12 iirc, same as fok/ct

[harsh harbor]

As ds. Signet is simming higher than lily for instance.

[dusty phoenix]

so netherprism + lily sims highest for me atm (at least from the trinkets I have), any idea how to play that on st FB? xd

[harsh harbor]

Signet is outsimming the prism for me.

In ds bleed build anyway

[dusty phoenix]

do I hold prism for 2nd dm? and then 4th?

[midnight mist]

around you or the mob

[dusty phoenix]

w/e I will just play with a passive one

[high dust]

I have a question...do we benefit more from monks passive, warrior shout or dh passive...?

[grand trail]

classic, playing spatter on fractilus :D:

[strange python]

spec of choice for nexus king?

[slim hamlet]

Surely warrior right?

[vital haven]

most likely warr

[slim hamlet]

warrior buffs everything

[vital haven]

only outlaw is monk buff nearly as good

[balmy condor]

I felt this nonsense in the force, woke up in a cold sweat and simply knew

[high dust]

makes sense yeah. tbh I dont really know how much is the buff from monk and DH to us lmao

[slim hamlet]

Forcefully popped cold blood

[jolly stirrup]

what ascendence do I take for dagger?

[slim hamlet]

2 hours old message

[balmy condor]

What

[jolly stirrup]

Uh

Dunkelmondsiegel gut?

hell idk

[high dust]

embelishment u mean...?

[jolly stirrup]

[high dust]

for dagger?

[jolly stirrup]

ye

I thkn

for dagg

[balmy condor]

Ascendance

[jolly stirrup]

ok

[vital haven]

its just called ascendance

[jolly stirrup]

have correct one

tyty

[sand otter]

im watching your Vid Whispyr and im crying.

1. get up bleeds
2. Press cooldowns
3. get rid of malwarebytes
4. Spam envenom

I KNEW i was doing something wrong in my rotation.

[balmy condor]

Important step

[slim hamlet]

I feel like 3rd has to be 1st step?

did u sim it?

[sand otter]

no, no sim for Malwarebytes, its the secret that's been kept from us

[jolly stirrup]

Also another question, does Blind nopt work against the affix?

or am I too stupid to do correct

[slim hamlet]

Ahhh, I knew whispyr was sandbagging

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t work if you cast it on an orb

You have to cast it on a mob

[jolly stirrup]

AHhhh

[balmy condor]

And it’ll aoe from there

[jolly stirrup]

okok tyty

15m should be enough range always?

[drifting cloud]

nah the range is shit

its going to miss half of them

[slim hamlet]

huh

[balmy condor]

15m is the range of blind, not the aoe

The aoe is much smaller

[jolly stirrup]

oh

[raw marlin]

ok thought tank, lets tank like Perfecto as he is in echo atm on rogue, you take him out and put him on an average WR1000 guild.. what makes him absolutely annilate that group of people in terms of performance? Other than just raw dps?

[grand trail]

do i change to drak on nexus or keep hitting salhadar?

[half dawn]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[half dawn]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[slim hamlet]

Recognizes how to minmax faster, keeps uptime during hard mechanics, simply gets hit by less mechanics, knows what is actually more important (stuff like funneling vs just aoeing), just in general more consistant

[broken ibex]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[raw marlin]

yes but if 19 others are WRdumbass can he really 'shine' if it takes 17 hours to get a kill lol

[slim hamlet]

Has better overview of what is happening in general, doesnt need to look or think as much about his rotation and upcoming cds

[proven willow]

what would happen if cristiano ronaldo played on a youth league, would you notice?

[plush hare]

Is our single target damage on dungeons. Suposed to be bad on this build Without KingsBane

[half dawn]

yes

[slim hamlet]

I mean idk if you will be able to tell it by the dmg in the end of the fight, but for the actual prog it obviously would have mattered. Maximum has talked a lot about this recently, he always mentions how what really makes a difference is the first couple of hours of prog on a boss, their kind of guilds get used to new things much faster in his words

[half dawn]

bleed build ST is the lowest

[sick garnet]

yes thats why you should pull trash on boss if possible

[half dawn]

mfw

i'm in bleed build

and top on ST boss

[slim hamlet]

Even with hybrid/cleave our ST isnt particularly good

[half dawn]

💀

[raw marlin]

not really the same, put s1mple on a dogshit cs2 team and you notice too.. with wow its very different

[slim hamlet]

Can't compare a pvp vs pve game

[proven willow]

not really the gap is that big, youre just asking it wrong

[slim hamlet]

its so much more obvious in a pvp game

[bright turret]

a single god cant really carry 19 people in a mythic raid

[proven willow]

its not about just outdpsing

[raw marlin]

yh but 1 guy can get it 1 pull he still sat there for 100 weeks of prog if guild is shit

[proven willow]

yeah this is a stupid af question

1 person cant carry a raid

[slim hamlet]

Its quite rare u can really see the difference. Earlier one of the Echo mages blinked right inbetween adds and black hole of 4th boss to use their knockback and blinked back out, to save the pull after a missed CC. That is an obvious point where aint no way some wr1000 does that

[raw marlin]

exactly so my question is, how do you notice it

[proven willow]

you will notice the player diff instantly its not that hard

[slim hamlet]

I mean u can notice it by the date of kill

[proven willow]

they will make the least mistakes, be the most prepared coming in, and will answer the questions the raid has because they dont have the same xp of raiding

plate dps is a good example

high tier players can ping pong a mythic boss

everyone else cant

[dire basalt]

as st in raids fatebound do i envenom with 4 cp?

[balmy condor]

You need 5 to flip a coin

[dire basalt]

ahh

[raw marlin]

ive raided with people before that parse 99s/100s in normal and heroic and then start doing greys in mythic cause they just can't dps and think lol

[slim hamlet]

Real

[zenith coral]

CiNdErMeAd BReWeRy

[slim hamlet]

I have seen that a lot too

[hollow raptor]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[slim hamlet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVRbFPSMgO4 here are one of the clips of Max talking about similar stuff if you want his input

[proven willow]

thats usually the case weeks into an xp

[raw marlin]

yh this is kind of the reason i asked

[proven willow]

if you r1 heroic fights week 1 youre likely a top player

[raw marlin]

because its so hard to tell

the best players in lower wr i find barely speak as they know they are just hoping by

[proven willow]

not the people who r1 the first boss on patch drop, end of reset week 1

[raw marlin]

ive joined guilds with no intention to get to know people as i know ill be there half a tier/tier at max

[slim hamlet]

I mean it is hard to see because most people just look at pull count and dmg

[dry ore]

why the hell double on use trinkets are simming better than a passive and a single use ?

[slim hamlet]

Most people dont even recognize how much the bosses are nerfed by the time they kill it

[tardy shard]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[proven willow]

one thing people dont talk about is your classes damage profile

[raw marlin]

2 > 1

[coral ibex]

that is within margin of error

thats why the number is blue

[proven willow]

they arent using outside sources for that

[royal lantern]

and how much more gear they have

[proven willow]

they are finding it themselves over pulls

[lunar ibex]

does garrote during indiscriminate charge prioritize targets without it on it (if you're casting onto your prio target) or is it rng if it just refreshes on targets its already on?

[royal lantern]

it has smart targeting, it puts dont on targets in range that dont have them, yes

[slim hamlet]

Yea. It's like "but they have infinite splits tho, if a top 100 guild had that we could too", but the top 100 guild usually ends up having more gear by the time they kill?

[dry ore]

yeah its best with 2 use trinkets he is giving me

[lunar ibex]

amazing thanks

[half dawn]

are there no good necks from m+

[chrome plaza]

Fb or ds with 2set bonus for dimensius boss? :0

[slim hamlet]

What do you consider good? We dont really have any bad stats

[proven willow]

floodgate has one right

[raw marlin]

its also time

[half dawn]

good as in, not worth to replace with crafted neck

[raw marlin]

lets say we give every guild in the world fixed times and fixed ilvl, its prob way closer?

[slim hamlet]

raidbots.com

[proven willow]

this is the million dollar question because of splits

[arctic shale]

!soleah

[proven willow]

if this happens top guilds split and kill bosses faster either way

[slim hamlet]

Not really. You see ID having only half an ilvl behind liquid right now

[proven willow]

when lower guilds dont have the means to

[arctic shale]

is there a So'leah script for sim?

[cloud musk]

!sim

[slim hamlet]

I mean what do u mean with fixed time?

[real pike]

any log enjoyers able to tell me why I got gapped by our other rogue? I know I suck but looking for specifics 🙂

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kP7qfF8RhwZXMcAv?fight=16&type=damage-done

[proven willow]

40 hours per week

[raw marlin]

they raiding 12 hours a day?

[royal lantern]

no?

they are literally just worlds better players lol

[slim hamlet]

Oh in actual playtime

[royal lantern]

the difference bettwen the top3 and the top20 is allready big as fuck lol

[proven willow]

split means split runs

[slim hamlet]

I would assume if you have exact same time the top guilds would be even further ahead

[royal lantern]

and the difference bettwen the top3 and the top100 is a unviserse

[proven willow]

the diff between top 2-3 and top 10 is massive

[slim hamlet]

One of the differences is also just simple being able to raid 16 hours a day without going insane

there is a reason a ton of them move to guilds like instant dollars or similar that dont raid every hour of the day

[proven willow]

its not as hard as youd think

the game is fun

i raided with flashpoint ktb mind games occasional excellence and RR

even got to play wity shak and jdob in oe

not top 10 world but it was highh and raided a lot

it was just a fun time

nowadays u need way more splits

[raw marlin]

the problem is raid nightss can get very boring

if youre wiping 1000 times a boss

[slim hamlet]

Idk what this really means

[raw marlin]

compared to real prog

[proven willow]

ngl the atmosphere of the top guilds are very fun

[slim hamlet]

"I like it so therefore its not something the vast majority finds rough"

[proven willow]

it never disappointed

[raw marlin]

some top guilds are fucking degen

[proven willow]

some

[raw marlin]

i wont call them out but some HoF discords need burnt

[proven willow]

you can stay away from them

i never went to blood legion when they came back

a lot of my friends did

i also played wit gromnak in jaina tier

that was....something

[keen spruce]

I'm not playin again, but I don't think i'd ever leave my guild

the vibes are impeccable

[raw marlin]

i joined a well known eu guild and their discord was just furry porn and i didnt even apply after lol

apparently they are infamous for it

[proven willow]

yeah idk anything about the eu scene tbh

[keen spruce]

weekend day raid guild, CE every tier, don't care about world ranking

[real pike]

wombats?

[proven willow]

i did want to join back then Limit and i was sweating to climb but none of the guilds i mentioned were bad

[raw marlin]

this sounds awful time to raid lol

id have 1% attendance

[proven willow]

HC was the best vibe

its like liquid now

[raw marlin]

there are more than 1 then

[keen spruce]

well when you recruit people that want to raid at that time

it's not an issue

[red schooner]

Okay, ran the eco-dome dungeon for the first time, does the second boss just eat the deathstalkers mark or was I being dumb and dropped it

[raw marlin]

its 8pm sunday and im yet to log into wow

[keen spruce]

12-3PST sat sun

such a good raid time

[proven willow]

solid schedule tbh

[keen spruce]

hop off raid, can still go out and enjoy the afternoon

[raw marlin]

not if you have any bit of social life

[keen spruce]

well like 1/3rd of the raid team is EU

so it's night time for them

[rotund oak]

thats the case for 99% of classic OG guiilds.Depravity,rotten to the core,unhinged gooners

[raw marlin]

that is even worse

[proven willow]

to your question before for a personal experience comment @raw marlin when i saw shak in OE he was leagues ahead of everyone and i was visible

[open gulch]

Guys, are you using bleeds on all bosses on soul hunters ?

[proven willow]

and that was in the best 2 day mythic guild in thhe world

[open gulch]

or just spread damage with caustic

[raw marlin]

OE is what again

[proven willow]

occasional excellence on turalyon

badass raid group

jdob was healer when he was in na

that was the first time i went ally in my wow career

[raw marlin]

there is a 2 or 1 day raid guild in eu too tht always finishes really high but cant find them anymore lol

[wise loom]

Have reached 2.5 M+ rating now what to do

Done with the season ig

[keen spruce]

get 3k

[proven willow]

3k?

[raw marlin]

mount at 3k

if 2.5 is season end its a very boring season lol

[proven willow]

"i just finished normal mana, season done"

[rotund oak]

yup uninstall,get out for a walk,have fun life is amazing

[raw marlin]

have reached 2m overall, guess season is done

[rotund oak]

[proven willow]

shadow step kicked a wiping mob in m+, aura farmed season done

[real pike]

don't ask me how I know

[raw marlin]

ngl the right route on priory in pugs is a nightamre for that 2nd kick the amout of times i had to shadowstep kick then shadowstep back.. LIKE IM NOT A MAGE KICK IT

[wise loom]

We are on forgeweaver on H mana

[proven willow]

yeah i can say i am a MENACE with the pings

[onyx pond]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[raw marlin]

i finished wing 1 of lfr, season done

[real pike]

trying to analyse this, is it just cloak procs from the boots? or am I doing something worse as well

[proven willow]

like theres a 50/50 chance ur blocking me after every key u run with me with the amount of pings i sent out

[west crown]

How much is 2 set for m+ %wise

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/ping-command-league-of-legends-lol-gif-23818523

[raw marlin]

between 1 and 100

[proven willow]

this is where i learned

[neat flame]

lily and sacbrood acquired, just gotta get pacemaker to complete the trifecta

[wise loom]

Do yall pug keys? Ill pug up to like +11 then i only 5 stack

[raw marlin]

mate of mine got kicked from his raid team for pinging too much lmfao

[proven willow]

that seems like an overraction when u can just say stop

im assuming they asked and he didnt

[broken halo]

I'm in raid at the moment and I just did my first boss on HC first boss. I got a grey parys but on WoWanalyzer it says I did "most" i'd say things correct? I'm quite confused and a bit down about it. Is this the channel to ask with that or is there somewhere else?

[red schooner]

Pugs terrify me

[normal mist]

get more ilvl

[raw marlin]

well they did.. he continued, he got bored of them wiping on their 500th reclar of mythic lol

[keen spruce]

if you want to post your logs here for specific help about your rotation people can help

[proven willow]

justified tbh

[delicate bone]

you should prob learn the definition of gapped lmao

[wise loom]

Veng DH FDK Assa Amage and Resto Shammy has been an amazing comp

[proven willow]

wait until you play with a phys comp

[royal lantern]

i can gurantee that it was not the pings only

and is a excuse from him to not say the real reason

[raw marlin]

oh 100% i know lol but im just saying

Im now in the same guild 😄

[real pike]

I felt gapped 🥲

[proven willow]

gapped is when you have to scroll tbh

[real pike]

are people playing deathstalker on nexus king without 4pc?

[keen spruce]

you guys had the same lvl parse

[wise loom]

Does DH passive that incress magic damage make death mark do more damage?

[real pike]

I don't really take ilvl parse seriously haha, I don't like losing

there's always something you can do better

or in my case, many things

[keen spruce]

yeah like get more gear

[raw marlin]

i was such low ilvl in first raid so i take them until i get ilvl lol, no point comparing against 500 ilvl higher

[real pike]

the boots would be nice

[wise loom]

The boots are amazing got mine yesterday

[spice spire]

Wait until you hear about bulldogs

[keen spruce]

hi quake

[spice spire]

Hello

[red schooner]

No, bad. Cease.

[rotund oak]

hi babe

[spice spire]

What cuties holy moly

[broken halo]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vLchDkabjJY8mMd4?fight=last&type=damage-done

[subtle karma]

Any news on the double CDR bug with fatebound ? and how to stop it from happening ?

[broken halo]

It's first boss of HC was my grey, apoloies for the rest of the log.. I didnt realise lmao.

[solid canopy]

@grim jay Exile playing full m+ talents on soulhunters mythic

But I bet ppl are still just fuckin around haha

[shy axle]

with fb 2p, do you just use shiv when kb has 16 seconds left?

[burnt turret]

!loot

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[solid canopy]

u use first shiv before deathmark and kb and the second one when its 8 sec left

[shy axle]

ty

[sand aurora]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[sonic zinc]

holy hes foking

[brave comet]

is soul hunter's intermission fixed? and which boss has the first intermission?

[astral plover]

As fatebound, what many CP do we wanna use end on?

[brave comet]

5+

[royal lantern]

ye

[jolly heath]

Can anyone explain to me why in some logs I see, people can cast deathmark in between 1 minute instead of 1m30s? What am I missing here?

[royal lantern]

there is a bug with the tierset

sometimes it has double the effect

[brave comet]

which one is the first intermission, bloodbath vel?

[royal lantern]

and instead of 90sec it turns stuff into 60sec

[jolly heath]

Ohhhhh wth

I see

[royal lantern]

the edgy void guy first, then the edgy havoc dh, and then the edgy vengance dh

idk the names

[echo crystal]

does feint and evasion damage reduction from elusiveness stack?

[royal lantern]

no

elusivness allready doesnt work like that

elusivness reduces dmg IF feint does nothing

[jaunty kayak]

omg and i was wondering wth am i doing wrong with the desync .. its crazy

[shy axle]

but every second kb as fb without dm is just kb and double shiv at 16 seconds left? because the reason to shiv before dm (coin) is no longer there?

[royal lantern]

well, we just have a slightly broken bug with out raid lockout

lol

[keen spruce]

well evasion and feint do stack tho

with elus

or am I missreading something you guys re talking about

https://imgur.com/WZlIezq

[echo crystal]

not misreading, thats what Im asking about

[brave comet]

do we apply rupture on all of them, or do we garrote them too?

[young spoke]

hiii, someone can recomend enchants for rogue assessin?

[half dawn]

Any ideas what to upgrade first

[vocal seal]

transmog !!

[half dawn]

transmog is non negotiable 🚒

🔥

[frozen iris]

Is the prism trinket considered s tier now?

[vocal seal]

[keen spruce]

With Elus single target ability
evasion is 20%dr
feint 20%dr

With Elus AoE ability:
evasion 20%
Feint 60%

No elus st:

No elus AoE:

feint 40%

[royal lantern]

i just played bleed build and did the normal bleed build rules

Keep rupture on everything, and non-stealth garrote only on main target

[lunar yew]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[rustic thunder]

!loot

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[novel star]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[rustic thunder]

aight this cements the “best class discord” status even harder, even though that was already set in stone. Truly

[shy axle]

but i guess with 2p you still do shiv kb and then shiv again at 8 because kb throws a coin too?

[winter vapor]

for Loom heroic - are we holding CD's on opener given needing to switch to add before fully ramp?

similar story for soulbinder i assume we hold a little for adds to appear? (or least the big set of adds)

[young spoke]

hiii, someone can recomend enchants for rogue assessin? pls?

[royal lantern]

check the wowhead guide

and sim yourself

[safe patrol]

I have 3007 io on raiderio but 2967 something ingame with half 13s half 12s. anyone know whats cooking? not a big deal ofc but plan was to degen today until I got 3 k

[acoustic roost]

something to do with the streets timer change maybe?

[keen spruce]

wowhead guide -> consumables -> enchants

[young spoke]

linkkk pls 🙂

[safe patrol]

hahaha

[keen spruce]

[acoustic roost]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/856136418170896404

[safe patrol]

yeah maybe

[keen spruce]

https://www.google.com/search?q=wowhead&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS879US879&oq=wowhead&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyDwgAEEUYORiDARixAxiABDIGCAEQRRg8Mg0IAhAAGIMBGLEDGIAEMg0IAxAAGIMBGLEDGIAEMg0IBBAAGIMBGLEDGIAEMg0IBRAAGIMBGLEDGIAEMgYIBhBFGDwyBggHEEUYPNIBCDI3MjNqMGo0qAIDsAIB8QUldDONXNlWxQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I will take you this far

something about teaching a man to fish or something

[young spoke]

ty ❤️

[terse kindle]

do we have a bis for fatebound yet

[cyan lily]

someone know on aoe rotation when u gonna do crisom tempest u can use mutilate then shiv or shiv mutilate

[acoustic roost]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. On top of this, all stats being good on Assassination means there are currently over 500 "BiS" combinations that are within margin of error. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS from world content is especially not helpful, and we do not maintain any lists of these types. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character.

[cyan lily]

and if do bigs diff

[young spoke]

i find, for the weapon recommend 2 times the same enchant?

[keen spruce]

ye

[drowsy lotus]

Is it me or we hit like a wet noodle in m+ ST?

[young spoke]

okss ty

[keen spruce]

it is not just you

that's just how it be

pad in AoE rot in ST top meters anyways

[safe patrol]

forgot raiderio got an own discord server and I am already in it, kinda found an answer to it✅

[dawn kelp]

is prism goated in m+

[jaunty sky]

yes

[turbid sandal]

Does numbing poison work on the Geometry boss in Taz? For the hardmode triple cast

[shy axle]

2 set deathstalker does change nothing regarding gameplay right? or did i overlook something

[echo crystal]

my goat, thank you

[thorn thorn]

@fallow canopy

[wispy island]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[arctic tusk]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[royal lantern]

cast speed reduction doesnt work on bosses

[gleaming carbon]

Is this a difficult spec to play? I'm coming back from a long break, used to play the other rogue specs here and there but never touched assassination.

[fallow canopy]

[royal lantern]

assa is kinda simple

[main bridge]

i think most consider it the easiest of the three

[royal lantern]

apply bleeds and keep them running->dump cp into envenom, use cds on cd

you can play assa

[gleaming carbon]

Well shit, thanks guys lol. The pros/cons on wowhead made it seem like a challenging & punishing spec to play. Cheers.

[soft seal]

I struggle like hell in mythics though with the aoe. I see rogues burst 22m and I no idea what they do

On assassin

[analog field]

guys on araz HC when one tank takes boss and the other tanks the big add, do we keep going on boss or stay with big add and all small adds?

[main bridge]

probably read guides and practice

[buoyant herald]

You need to kill the echo and adds asap

[analog field]

so i stay there even without mark right ?

or try to keep DN ?

[buoyant herald]

Yes, sadly

[analog field]

IS it worth not send a big envenom ?

[buoyant herald]

Ideally you want to save your DN though yeah

[analog field]

ok ty

[buoyant herald]

Just remember not to DN the pillars in intermission phase since they don’t refund it when they die

[sullen topaz]

is it for m+ worth atm to break old 4-set? for 2p-2p?

in st obvious yes

[thorn thorn]

How shrimple is it

[analog field]

i always have vanish though there so even if i send DN on a pilar i can vanish after

[keen spruce]

it's a little different than lots of melee specs but once you get the basics down it's pretty simple

[buoyant herald]

Yes but you want to save vanish for the damage amp phase right after

[analog field]

yeah after pillars i go vanish

[buoyant herald]

Ye

[analog field]

but also i dont have DM there because it comes up right before pillars

[buoyant herald]

Yeah it’s a bit scuffed

[analog field]

should i delay it ?

i think if i dont delay i have kb

[buoyant herald]

You can maybe save DN for the first pillar but you won’t reliably cycle it again before it dies so you just need to accept your pillar damage might be scuffed lol

Especially as people gear up the pillars just melt

[balmy condor]

Hello chat

[analog field]

we really have a problem atm, although we are too many people

[buoyant herald]

Nawww

[wispy island]

Need help understanding something: why do we vanish after DM rather than before for the extra double-sided coins? Just a numbers-say-so thing?

[analog field]

now we got back to 24 from 28

[balmy condor]

Vanish gives +1 flips to your next finisher, it doesn’t matter when you vanish

Any time between your previous finisher and your next

[wispy island]

I see I see ty

[thorn thorn]

Have you acquired a cat or are we just now getting the image

[hoary fulcrum]

is wrathstone any good?

[balmy condor]

That’s a live image

[balmy condor]

Yes

[hoary fulcrum]

thank you =]

obvi sim, but figured id ask. i ripped a hero one

[dreamy rover]

refresh imp gar and get a free flippy

[dreamy rover]

gz

sim it and let us know

[balmy condor]

You don’t use imp gar on fatebound though

[dreamy rover]

uhh then just ambush i guess

extra cp O_O

[balmy condor]

Same dps as a mut

[dreamy rover]

wow

thought it was better than mut

like backstab and shadowstrike

[balmy condor]

Not even remotely

[thorn thorn]

Clearly you forgot that this is Assassination and nothing actually matters

[dreamy rover]

[humble verge]

i gotta use both my catalyst for 4p

[dreamy rover]

be happy you even got 4p 😄

cup half full

[humble verge]

no im not

[dreamy rover]

[winter vapor]

are we holding CD's on loom for opener to hit first circle add or just sending

hc

[hot pasture]

how do u use prism with 2p¿

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-shrimp-check-posture-gif-5966522503887123243

[sullen topaz]

for mythic+ do we 2p-2p or is it 4p vs 4p only?

[thorn thorn]

I did my service lat night

I posted a key just to decline every ret that applied

I dont want people playing unplayable specs in my key

[vocal widget]

How strong is DS 4pc compared to s2 set?

[wanton zephyr]

I was just sending

[thorn thorn]

🦐

[dense hamlet]

does the antenna crit orbs have a despawn timer?

[frozen iris]

Is it a big dps loss switching to councils guile in m+

[humble verge]

man

i didnt even know

that soul hunters was m+ on HC

wtf

or generally

[tropic jewel]

sometimes on fatebound my KB and CB wont line up even tho they are in a macro .. havent found my isssue so far -.-

*with 4 set

[royal lantern]

its bugged

sometimes it reduces stuff by more the intended

[dense hamlet]

oh is that why sometimes i have to wait for 1.30 trinkets

and sometimes not?

[light mountain]

So with the 4piece bug.. do I hold kingsbane until deathmark comes up or visa versa? or just send them not synced?

[zinc vale]

so that's why my cds sometimes line up on nexus and other times i dont have cds

like on platform or start of dmg amp

[analog field]

what a nice life using DM on pylons

[storm cloak]

I have way to much haste. It sucks

[peak helm]

Any way to change the logic on the way bleeds spread out of stealth? Having an issues at the start of gambit where my opening just spread bleeds onto all the little fucks who then insta die to the aoe from the other 2 dps. Want them to prioritize going on the mobs with the most HP instead. I use mouseover to try to target bigger ones with each cast, but just so many wasted bleeds get spread

[light mountain]

mash garrote and rupture on mouseover is really the only way

[peak helm]

rip

[light mountain]

you can set focus and have focus garrote, focus rupture for a target you want them on besides your main target

[half dawn]

you might be able to change mob-specific HP bars

tha way you can completely disable or minimise shitter mobs

and only prio putting bleeds on things that take some time to die

[peak helm]

I've been okay with my targetting, was just hoping the extras could target the big mobs instead so I could spend fewer globals on bleeds before envenom spam

[fast hill]

are there any videos where someone is reviewing an assassin M+ key they did and talking about their thought process?

[half dawn]

right foot pedal

[thorn thorn]

People use foot pedal

[mild tiger]

ok nice

thanks i love you guys

[haughty flicker]

left foot pedal was the only correct answer

[half dawn]

right foot pedal = W (gas gas gas), left foot pedal = S (also reverse), middle food pedal is clutch (shift modifier)

[haughty flicker]

why would you lie to someone asking for help

[mild tiger]

ill tell my mother

[half dawn]

i mean clutch on the left jfc

bleed build bled me of iq

[mild tiger]

masallah

i can see that

[half dawn]

how puggable is the hc raid btw? not had a chance to put myself through that exp yet

[wind totem]

I have a stupid questioin for fatebound. I havent played it the whole expansion so bare with me. Is there any tracking done when it comes to the tails/heads flips? Or do you just do your opener where you guarantee the max flips and then just vibe without caring?

[arctic tusk]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[vague dragon]

yo im using this shiv and tea macro but i need to be sure its good or not do i have to wait for 6s shiv and use tea or macro is good

[buoyant herald]

With two set it’s guaranteed to get capstone coin so yeah you can track it but it’s not really informing any decisions so might just be clutter

[wind totem]

Thanks. Next stupid question. Do you finish on 5+ or 6+ as fatebound. Im asking because once upon a time the general rule was finish at max or max-1 cp but with Deathstalker's mark it was 5+ so is Fatebound also 5+ due to the envenom thing in the talent tree. I didn't see anything about fatebound CP finishers in the guide so sorry if I missed it.

[buoyant herald]

Anything 5+ as that’ll flip a coin

[wind totem]

Ok so at 5 you don't generate more under any scenario right? You just finish at 5?

[buoyant herald]

Ye

[wind totem]

Sweet. Thanks a lot buddy.

[thorn thorn]

@humble verge

[hollow fulcrum]

what is our rotation in st cuz i find myself running out of energy and doing like 1.6k damage

i feel like im trolling

[buoyant herald]

Fatebound is a lot more passive than DS, less to worry about

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[wind totem]

DS was pretty passive to begin with lol

[hollow fulcrum]

oh bet'

[wind totem]

In addition to what the bot said. You can throw ruptures at adds that die fast to get some energy back to funnel into the main target. There used to be a bug that made Rupture refund more energy than expected last season that I assume is still there but I don't know for sure.

[arctic tusk]

do we have a general idea of how many garrotes/ruptures we want out on aoe? bleed build

lets pretend like every mob has the same hp

[last skiff]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[wind totem]

There used to be a pin about just rupturing enough targets to get max stacks of The agi buff and spreading empowered garrote on as many target as you can. Don