assassination

[main bridge]

I think if you have time it makes sense to apply rupture because it buffs everything else you do

[coral ibex]

check, check

[spice spire]

Send me a singular log review for a dungeon and I’m having a menty b

[arctic tusk]

were there buffs to certain bleed talents? i know CT got nerfed

[spice spire]

Weak and soft

[dull gate]

Me

[fallow canopy]

better than soft and weak

[coral ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1395518121019838616/IMG_4518.png?ex=68a04fc7&is=689efe47&hm=9c6f331ac0f4089779b20715012582e3e575f7cbae89048d05e5231ca5ac7189&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1037&height=630

[arctic tusk]

oh nice

thx

[spice spire]

The cock is strong 😈

[fallow canopy]

hell yea brother

https://tenor.com/view/garfield-buff-gif-19858013

[static glacier]

what else did you expect, the adversity of having to press avenging wrath was too much so they baked it into wake xd

the rets I talk to still complain about losing long arms ON KICK

https://tenor.com/view/head-ache-gif-2945227568839210912

[warm vortex]

Going through my sims and jesus the game wants me to inject haste right into my bones

Moreso for Aoe ofc

St it's a bit dif
But still haste

[maiden sierra]

We love haste

[severe meadow]

I think I was at 26% haste yesterday

[maiden sierra]

I wish i has 40% haste

Nothing beats that extra 40% haste from lust

I feel alive when we lust

[warm vortex]

Yea
One ring is simming as a downgrade in AoE and like a 1.6% increase in ST lmao

[quaint linden]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[sharp sinew]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[cloud star]

Hey guys. Kinda new to assa, but got [Wrathstone] from timewalk. Sims crazy good. is that trinket legit a good one?

[maiden sierra]

Just from reading what it does

Jesus

[hazy flame]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[warm vortex]

Holy shit

[maiden sierra]

That does seem strong

[warm vortex]

That's a lot of agility

[coral ibex]

it got a 5% nerf

[sharp sinew]

Is edict any good for assa in m+?

[coral ibex]

but yea its a lot

[maiden sierra]

No

[coral ibex]

because it doesn't decay like ritual forge

[fickle mural]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[sharp sinew]

fuck me man always getting random shit from dngs

My loot luck

all bs

[maiden sierra]

Bloodmallet, liquidarmory, wowhead bis gear page

[warm vortex]

Bro the crystal is good no?

[maiden sierra]

The crystal is good for m+

[sharp sinew]

is it?

[maiden sierra]

Not best, but decent

[sharp sinew]

better than seaforium?

[arctic tusk]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[maiden sierra]

No

[sharp sinew]

I have sac brood and sea atm

sea is s2 tho

[maiden sierra]

But are we talking current seaforium or last patch seaforium?

[warm vortex]

I've got priory
So i think i can just get lily and pace and be set for the season

[sharp sinew]

last patch

[maiden sierra]

Sim it in top gear

Dungeonslice with m+ talents

[sharp sinew]

alright

[arctic tusk]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[strong glade]

hekili runs off the sim apl, shouldn't need an import as long as you understand why it might be occasionally incorrect in certain scenarios (it doesn't know a dmg amp is in 10 secs or the mob is at 5%hp)

[lime onyx]

is there a reason why Seal of the panoply, our BiS ring, isn't showing up as loot in the dungeon journal for tazavesh?

[static glacier]

what exactly makes it our bis ring

[lime onyx]

in wowhead it's said to be BiS

[static glacier]

ok brother bc im feeling nice ill let you in on a secret

[lime onyx]

and in my droptomizer

[static glacier]

never infront of whispyr mention the bis lists

he does them bc wowhead demands it

hates it though

droptimizer is legitimate

[main bridge]

i heard Mo is in the wowhead BiS list

[tall atlas]

head slot

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/fujiko12-dandadan-anime-girl-anime-anime-girl-blush-gif-9222951035856791576

[main bridge]

but serious answer i think that item got swapped out for a necklace or something

[lime onyx]

ah ok so best mast vers ring is from priory then...gotcha

[static glacier]

the ring from priory; Radiant Necromancer's band is fairly similar

less mast and more vers

[onyx pond]

Did our bis stats change ?

[static glacier]

exactly

[static glacier]

nah, we don't really "stack" stats like mm might do with crit

generally mastery >= crit > haste > vers

but all are valuable.

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[silver verge]

anyone know whats going on with weakaura's and plater? ive updated all my shit but its fk'd

[sacred ibex]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[languid light]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[main bridge]

#assassination message

[frigid pilot]

What gcd we doin after vanish in fatebound st?

[main bridge]

garrote for improved garrote

[prisma cypress]

since when are we taking imp garrote

[static glacier]

maybe the person still doesnt have 4pc? iirc imp gar MA is competitive against vv for fb

[placid sparrow]

we dont in FB ST

[spice spire]

Ty muffin

[static glacier]

last time I simmed it was higher, but this was last patch, they might have buffed mut enough to make vv win

[spice spire]

I’m still watching ur ass

[normal mist]

We don't have bis stats

[solar wyvern]

doesnt fix the colors tho :/

[main bridge]

you can just choose one that isn't green too

[solar wyvern]

everything is green

[normal mist]

I am

[main bridge]

not for me

[placid sparrow]

change healthbar apearance

[main bridge]

select 7 here adn you're gucci at least for me

[placid sparrow]

genearal setting , healthbar apearance

anthing that is greened out when selecting is bugged

[solar wyvern]

ahh

[mighty anchor]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[mighty anchor]

is there a WA that gets target count? like how many enemies are in my area so i can know how much my garrote and rupture should have?

[coral ibex]

you should have 5 ruptures and garrotes dont matter after IC ends

i'd recommend tracking rupture on nameplates

[maiden sierra]

Honestly, i was a huge plater hater

I converted to plater this expansion

Im a changed man

That shit is so nice

[gusty mirage]

Now if only they’d convert to coding it better so it doesn’t buttfuck your resources

[mint urchin]

Plater is awful when not customized and bis when it is

[maiden sierra]

Good plates are bis for tracking what has bleeds

[gusty mirage]

Also elvui

[maiden sierra]

Correct

[gusty mirage]

[sand jewel]

!cb

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[placid sparrow]

does damage fall off after 5 or something ? am i over bleeding i guess im asking , just started bleed build the other day

[coral ibex]

you need 5 for scent of blood to max out

[placid sparrow]

gotcha

[coral ibex]

after that its just rupturing for damage

[gusty mirage]

You reach energy saturation and max scent of blood stacks when you have that many bleeds + 5 ruptures out

[maiden sierra]

Also, delaying your damage to apply more dots is a dps loss on pull

[placid sparrow]

riip, thanks lol

[coral ibex]

well your bleeds are most of your damage so that doesnt really track for bleed build

[maiden sierra]

It does depending on key level

[placid sparrow]

im working on 10s right now

[maiden sierra]

Those 2 extra globals can be enough of a delay on low keys

[minor finch]

God rogue bleed build is so fun

[coral ibex]

ruptures > CT > DM > shiv

ur basically done

[maiden sierra]

Like last floodgate 10 i did, first pull enemies died in 15-20 sec.
Extra dots there would be a dps loss

[serene solar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[placid sparrow]

even factoring in SB and SD ?

[calm steeple]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[maiden sierra]

Im illiterate to name shortenings

[gusty mirage]

Sanguine blades and sudden demise

[placid sparrow]

sang blade , sudden demise

[green timber]

Do we know which gear slot is optimal for non tier?

[normal mist]

Doesn't matter

Just get 4

[buoyant leaf]

for m+ im seeing a bunch of different builds, some with CT and some without. are there different talents based on if we have the new 4set or something?

[spice spire]

Without CT?

[normal mist]

Copy bleed from wowhead

Best build

[buoyant leaf]

I saw the no CT build on raiderio, think it was chainbleeds

[gusty mirage]

Are you still playing

[spice spire]

Loosely

Yeah

I’ve only done 3 keys this week

And raided Wednesday

But two jobs makes everything a little harder so I needed sleep last night

[viscid spear]

[gusty mirage]

Two jobs????

[rustic briar]

hey guys, quick Q
how many % is restealth in a dungeon for sin?
approximately

[spice spire]

Yeah

I work on the weekends now

[maiden sierra]

Yes execute is nice, but delaying crimson tempest by setting up 1 more garrote and rupture is not worth it, also our tier set makes shiv stronger and delaying it also is not great when a pack wont last long

[spice spire]

So a lot less free time but it’s a bit more fun so it’s palatable

[marble hemlock]

relative to chainpulling properly, its a DPS loss to restealth

relative to chainpulling badly, who knows

[royal lantern]

thats....not a thing really?

its good for you to restealth ofc, but artifically waiting for it is really bad

[weary spear]

Raider IO glitches and shows their raid builds sometimes don’t take it as 100% accurate. Nobody is playing m+ without CT and if they are they’re wrong

[placid sparrow]

that makes sense , thanks

[radiant quarry]

https://wago.io/NyFFoF1mQ/16

[maiden sierra]

Just do keys with a resto shaman, free stealth while waiting for their mana

[radiant quarry]

Got this from Shindig i think

[buoyant leaf]

ohhh got it, I thought it sounded weird

[keen spruce]

https://i.imgflip.com/a2lrdf.gif

[static glacier]

that's VERY VERY difficult to answer

[rotund monolith]

how dumb is it to craft dagger before you can craft it entirely with gilded crests? I wonder if i set myself back if i can just wait a bit to farm the gilded crests

[maiden sierra]

Ret paladin aura nerf by 3%

[static glacier]

its not as much as you think since a lot of our damage is ct

but lacking stealth will drop your sanguine blades dmg notably

[runic hinge]

only dumb if you're poor and cant afford the recrafts

[slim jetty]

i have problems to find my marked target after the first ambush, when i am done with garrote and rupture spread.
should i just spam on the marked target, or is this a really bad idea?

[runic hinge]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[rustic briar]

i see, interesting

thankies!

[brittle shuttle]

Keep same target and mouse over macro bleeds

[slim jetty]

yeah, ty. i dint know it was a smart target

[scarlet wyvern]

CT is supposed to be r1 in dps overall right?

my spatter somehow took over by far

[lofty inlet]

Hey guys which dungeon trinkets are we target farming?

[prisma carbon]

lily + pacemaker/sacbrood/crystal

[warm vortex]

Bleed it should be

Spatter should be miles ahead if hybrid

[warm vortex]

Feel like priory could be good instead of lily without the 4set or on ds

[buoyant leaf]

sorry I have another talent question, should I use the "bleed build" or the "hybrid" build on wowhead for m+, I only have 2-set rn

[static glacier]

top pin man

[prisma carbon]

you can use lily for both builds so i wouldnt waste time farming a signet over a lily imo

[warm vortex]

I got signet on my first run of a 6+

Of any dungeon

So that's why im using it atm

XD

[slim jetty]

bleed build is king.
i think hybrid is for oldschool kingsbane enjoyer

[shy sorrel]

Do you play around Sanguine Blades in ST?

with the Bleed build

[main bridge]

no

ignore

[static glacier]

tbh if you dont have the new tier 2pc yet you can play hybrid or cleave but in low keys they're worse

[buoyant leaf]

ah ok i see, i havent played since DF so im used to kingsbane

[acoustic roost]

2pc doesn’t determine if you play bleed or not

[buoyant leaf]

I do have 2-set so im gonna learn this bleed build

[static glacier]

it makes the others unplayable

[acoustic roost]

It does that with or without 2pc 🙂

[static glacier]

nah

you could play non bleed before this tierset came

it locks in arterial ergo bleed.

[acoustic roost]

If we’re talking about hybrid, no you could not reasonably play that anywhere without trolling

[static glacier]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-tww-2/21363870-21-darkflame-cleft litterally r1 sin key last season

either way, I wouldn't ever RECCOMEND playing non bleed

just said to that guy that he could play non bleed if he's not yet got tierset if he wanted to for w/e reason

yes, im aware hybrid is generally just worse than bleed unless you're pulling 10 million mobs

[woven trout]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[fast olive]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[storm locust]

How do I not run out of energy in longer ST fights? I noticed on dimensius im just waiting around smacking him with melee, is this normal?

Keeping rupture and garrote up, of course

Im used to fury/arms warrior where I hit buttons as fast as I can and I dont stop

[humble verge]

actually got 21 fb head coins

[quartz kelp]

!energy

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[storm locust]

Thanks buddy

[winged sun]

big sudden demise bomb

[latent escarp]

Demise maxxing

[pure raptor]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[worn badger]

#sad doesnt seem like theyre going to showcase any of the class changes comes in 12.0 at gamescon

[teal phoenix]

Anyone else's plater profiles suddenly got green boxes around em?

[agile mason]

yes

[teal phoenix]

Any clue on what box got checked with the hotfix to cause that can be unchecked?

[strange python]

guys

quick question

why the tea is getting used by itself

[agile mason]

i downloaded the latest and now it is just 2 blue lines

[shy axle]

tea got changed to use itself in 11.0.5 (?) or something like that

[strange python]

how can i stop it

its bothering me

[teal phoenix]

Whos are you using, Whyspers is still showing green box for me

[iron carbon]

Can't

[shy axle]

stay above the energy treshold

[iron carbon]

Or this

[shy axle]

its all listed in the talent

not worth it to play afaik

[keen spruce]

it's just new design. trying to avoid it auto-proccing isn't worth anything

just macro it to shiv and take it off your bars

[thin lichen]

My Plater Profile broke with this hotfix. What is the difference from Whispyr's Afenar Edit and non?

[iron carbon]

What?

Wa and plater are 2 diff things

[teal phoenix]

Just waiting on Whysper to update the plater I think is the option

[thin lichen]

Ah okay. My bad. I read "Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:" Wasn't sure what was what.

[iron carbon]

2 diff things

But if plater broke

[thin lichen]

Yeah, my bad.

[iron carbon]

Wait for Whispyr to fix

[feral wasp]

!UP

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[raw marlin]

so this mob just glitches out, cant be kicked or damaged or anything lol? cool game right?

[main bridge]

https://x.com/Remiireee/status/1956393516692599050

Yes "Remi" Chef (@Remiireee)

good god plater are you okay??

(Plater>Target>Uncheck Target Highlight should fix)

X · Aug 15, 2025, 4:32 PM

[main bridge]

Not a Whispyr problem

[teal phoenix]

I hadnt seen any fixes linked before. So while not "a whysper problem" waiting on an update was the only option I could think

[thin lichen]

Ayyyy, thank you.

[raw marlin]

the fix it easy

[main bridge]

Just didn’t want people bothering Whispyr for something he can’t fix

[raw marlin]

go to plater

target

[thin lichen]

Overall gives me the opportunity to finally use his Plater Profile from what I was using.

[raw marlin]

outline

change it

i think its 1-6 is bugged or 6-7 is bugged

fixed in about 5 seconds

[teal phoenix]

I can see that linked above, but when I asked earlier nobody said anything

[spice spire]

@main bridge can you confirm that the fix is as simple as turning off highlight texture for now?

[teal phoenix]

It fixes it

[spice spire]

I’m just going to quick pin and then when the boss man wakes up he can change it to whatever

[raw marlin]

yes

i said this earlier

got called an idiot and a liar

and now it fixes everything

[teal phoenix]

I certainly didnt call you an idiot and a liar?

[spice spire]

I mean I still can, I just won’t mean it

[raw marlin]

not you it was 1 person but still lol

[raw marlin]

😄

[spice spire]

Quick plater fix until it’s updated for anyone who needs it.

[main bridge]

I just changed it to a non green texture

[spice spire]

Even better

[main bridge]

Played during my lunch and it was fine

[spice spire]

Something about the face makes me want to trust the living food object

[main bridge]

[deep gyro]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[midnight mist]

i dont need it

ty tho

[spice spire]

Ty for letting me know I’m glad you don’t need it king

[midnight mist]

np cuh

appreciate the help even if i didnt need it

[flat pier]

Ok so where's our version of ?

[coral hearth]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spring stream]

Everyones making fun of them rn lmao

[hard river]

why your name moving

[ocean ore]

Does using shiv before or after ct make any difference in damage?

[grim jay]

what would be your guess

[ocean ore]

honest question, really dont know

[clear oar]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[clear oar]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[grim jay]

considering ct does no initial damage, shiv amp is dynamic

and its duration is longer than shiv

what would be your guess taking that into consideration?

[hard river]

what if you just answer instead of attempting to make them feel bad for asking

[placid wave]

dont be weird about it

[grim jay]

so what if understanding something actually helps someone more?

[viscid spear]

[grim jay]

just because you feel like being toxic sometimes, having someone understand reasons isnt always negative

[main bridge]

If you can’t answer questions without being toxic I don’t think a help channel is a good place for you

[ocean ore]

so we use it before, to put two shivs inside a CT?

[placid wave]

the game we play has tons of mislabeled and nonlabeled interactions, but even if this wasn't true, don't be a rude weirdo

[latent cypress]

So answer and give the explanation why

[grim jay]

if thats toxic for you, maybe you should grow up a bit

[hard river]

you can explain the reasoning without asking them to guess it

[grim jay]

oh yeah, guessing something based on information that was gives is freaking toxic

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

what a time to be alive

[thick sigil]

on a boss, was kinda fun

[hard river]

brother, you immediately replied with "guess"... come on

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/yuge-huge-donald-trump-gif-5521636960626661361

[formal pewter]

HELP

[placid wave]

you were being extremely condescending don't try and cry victim now

[formal pewter]

MY PLATER IS KILING ME

[grim jay]

brother, guessing is by no stretch toxic

[formal pewter]

ALL GREEN

HELP

[grim jay]

nah you are just trying to be a whiteknight for no reason

[viscid spear]

The police are on the way

[fickle mirage]

you must be fun at parties lmao

[spring stream]

https://tenor.com/view/conanwolf-gif-15824252101317178951

[formal pewter]

i just did a 10 floodgate and wanted to kms the whole dungeon didnt know until i walked in there

[placid wave]

this guys the worst huh

[formal pewter]

4head

[grim jay]

I actually am, thanks

[deep gyro]

I believe the update came out for it

[flat pier]

We all play rogue therefor toxic by nature

[tranquil lynx]

how does that dps meter looks like

[formal pewter]

i updated it already and reloaded

[spring stream]

My mother is a what?!?!

[flat pier]

You heard me

[formal pewter]

duyring the dungeon

think thats why?

[flat pier]

https://tenor.com/view/outta-my-face-gif-7930910

[viscid spear]

I have the Wilhelm Scream as a notification for when a very bad mechanic happens and I have to avoid it.
The soak puddle on Dimensius' first phase is one such mechanic.
So I hear AAAAH AAAAH AAAAH AAAAH AAAAH AAAAH until it's done

[grim jay]

there is a note in the pins

[formal pewter]

o

[latent cypress]

Couldve guessed that tbh

[formal pewter]

damn the pins are useful

thx buddy

[grim jay]

ye in here actually quite often, whispyr and the guys keep the recent updates pinned

[viscid spear]

When in doubt, check the pins.
Whispyr runs himself ragged spoonfeeding us unworthy peons up-to-date info

[safe swift]

we don't play improved garrote in raid?

[keen gyro]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[midnight mist]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[viscid spear]

Depends on the build.
FB ST uses it, for example

[grim jay]

it doesnt

unless my wowhead site didnt update

[formal pewter]

all the dungeons ive done ive yet to see a weapon drop

smh

[viscid spear]

Oh, I'm thinking of a different Garrote talent

[safe swift]

what's the best pure ST build?

[rough nimbus]

man ST with bleed build is depressing

[viscid spear]

#assassination message

[safe ore]

Is it just me, or does it feel like Sin was nerfed overnight?

In M+

[grim jay]

imo feels just the same

[grim jay]

no patch notice and I dont feel anything

[safe ore]

I guess I just suck

[rough nimbus]

you mean the same as aoe ? or same as FB build

[grim jay]

everyone has bad days

[grim jay]

the same as any other DS build, idk about fatebound ST tbf, since I dont raid on sin

[viscid spear]

Do you mean in M+ or Raid?

[rough nimbus]

in m+

[grim jay]

bleed is only m+

[raw marlin]

just tell tank to pull mobs onto boss

[winged sun]

hmm never had my plater bugged..skill issue

[thick sigil]

Tbh i find the ST better than in s2 atleast

[rough nimbus]

oh yeah if theres mobs with the boss its nice, but my PUG +5 group dont do that and if u dare say something to the tank he hearthstone back to Shadowlands

[flat pier]

Aye tanks waiting till all mobs are dead or at 3% then pulling into boss or not pulling mobs into boss is a huge blow to bleed

[rough nimbus]

yeah... exactly

[flat pier]

Ive told the dude i run with to just pull i have 2 CDs of Vanish if i need to reapply my DM then i will like just pull bozo

[gusty mirage]

Uh. No. The implied tone is what was interpreted as toxic. Let’s not play this game

You’re communicating via text, it’s missing a lot of what you may mean

[cursive sparrow]

qq, does simc include execute?

[silk galleon]

anyone has plater profile with some good bleed tracking? or are u just using Jundies or Quazi default ones?

[cursive sparrow]

does this option include the execution period?

[grim jay]

gotta try to not interpret stuff as inherently toxic, I wouldnt have minded getting the exact same reply, because I dont immediately think of people as wanting anything bad towards me. has nothing to do with playing a game at all either. I've been in here answering peoples questions for 8 years now

[grim jay]

yes

but you should sim nightly

weekly is a bit wonky

[grim jay]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[grim jay]

using whispyrs plater, it has most stuff you could want

[cursive sparrow]

I am trying do some target dummy practice and comparing with the simc

target dummy is too easy to execute, and parrot toy is never been executed

I am not sure which one should I run with simc

[grim jay]

I would just use dummies to get your burst sequence nailed and nothing more

actual logs of you fighting bosses are the best thing to help you

as in reviewing them

[cursive sparrow]

got it

thanks for your advice @grim jay

[grim jay]

yw, some people in here do log reviews aswell if you dont know what to look for

[somber barn]

Hey guys. I am a rogue noob and I love the assa spec - however, when I play it is hard for me to keep up with the tab targeting when it comes to keeping up the stacks on my targets and I dont find this really good mentioned in a guide. How can I get better at this?

[soft willow]

Hey guys, what do you say about bleed versus hybrid build on keys +12 and higher, i feel like bleed is loosing on big pulls, but is better at bosses

[grim jay]

using a good plater setup as those in #assassination message
and then its just practice. you barely need to reapply stuff in lower keys tho

[grim jay]

bleed is superior this season throughout all keylevels

[quasi ledge]

You dont really have to tab target that much. With IC opener you just use rupture / garrote on your main target. It uses smart targeting

Just make sure you dont loose your deathstalkers mark as you want to hit that target most of the time

[hollow talon]

!pooping

[snow kindle]

anyone elese feel like they do less dmg after swapped 4p

[somber barn]

thanks I ll try this. and what about raiding? I feel like fatebound is inferior to deathstalker if you want to single target dmg, right? icy veins says single target fatebound with 11.2 tier set is better - i am confused

[quasi ledge]

FB is always better in single target, even without tier set

[languid grail]

Ppl, i got the bigger number of 0 tier pieces after doing LFR, Normal and third hero bosses, i reach 2k and i have 2 catalyst, may i have to use it or wait for tuesday?

[hollow talon]

did you get any tier from vault

[languid grail]

nop

[hollow talon]

could wait til next week if you get very unlucky from vault/drops again

[quasi ledge]

You could search for Assassination Guide from Whispyr on youtube. Its a bit "long" but helps alot as a new player 🙂

[hollow talon]

incase you catalyze 2 pieces but then the pieces you get next week are those same slots

[languid grail]

thats its my fear

i dont know if i have to gamble

orr wait

[latent cypress]

If you can do 10s without getting 2set you should probably wait for next week

[grim jay]

I'd just wait, its what most people do

[hollow talon]

10s are very doable right now without tier

[grim jay]

wont get you too far to have the set now anyways

[grand trail]

what if i just craft shoulders again 😄

[latent cypress]

For you yes, maybe not for everyone

[grim jay]

10s arent a dps issue

if you have last seasons gear

[somber barn]

i ll do thanks!

[hollow talon]

if you save your vault loot for next week do you see the new vault before you have to choose from your old vault

or nay

[grim jay]

afaik no

because its on top of it

unless they changed it this expac

[hollow talon]

kinda figured it would be like that

will be a50/50 guess if i make the correct choice lol

[prisma cypress]

how do you guys handle delves? i get my ass beat in anything over a tier 8

[grim jay]

pulling 1-2 packs at a time, having brann on healer and collecting the vials
on bleed build

[steel geyser]

haven't played fatebound ever, can someone explain for monkey brain why it sucks in cleave scenario ? Is there anything not synergistic with aoe situation or is that just a "DS is better on aoe" angle straight from a number point

[vapid terrace]

It doesn't have cleave in the tree, ds has lots

[marble hemlock]

a lot of the deathstalker talents specifically do better in aoe environments, i.e. buffs to fok/ct, dots that you multidot etc.

[quasi ledge]

It also has a talent that reduces damage based on number of enemy mobs near you. So yeah

[steel geyser]

thx boys

[marble hemlock]

you also have a talent that returns some of the aoe damage back to your main target.

fatebound, by comparison, has no such talents. it just makes you do more damage, with a chunk of that being entirely limited to single-target (coin damage proc)

[main bridge]

fatebound feels fast paced compared to DS

it's nice

[grim jay]

funfact its less apm

[subtle tundra]

miau miau miau

[grim jay]

according to simcraft

[marble hemlock]

well, DS restores energy.

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/xalatath-xal'atath-feet-wow-world-of-warcraft-gif-17385860347846332910

[wild pine]

we running this for raid these days?

[vestal granite]

Best Weapon Enchants for Raiding DPS? different guides saying different stuff

[flat pier]

Yeah babe

[grim jay]

gotta sim them

different based on gear, as with most secondary stats

[quasi ledge]

I only listen to Whispyr

[vernal gate]

is dslice fine for assa sims?

[grim jay]

yes

the one and only way to sim for m+

[wild pine]

cool thanks

[vestal granite]

how close is Radiance in ST to Depths usually? if its close enough I d use that everytime for flexibility

[bitter canyon]

yea man i have no clue

just ran a quick +4 and i literally couldnt pull more than 7M on 8+ targets

[raw marlin]

im 693 now and hitting like 20m+ in that range of targets lol

[spice surge]

The stat ones are usually better now

Like mastery/crit/vers

[bitter canyon]

i can pull up some of my dmg numbers for you to see if you would be willing?

i just switched over from sub so everythings still new

[raw marlin]

yep im game of smite will look after

[bitter canyon]

ye no worries, take ur time

this was the overall dps from the trash before first boss in HoA

[keen gyro]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[plain hawk]

Quick Question, shell I go for 2 piecebonus or rather stick with the old 4 piece until I get the new?

[plain hawk]

thx 🙂

[noble garden]

Caustic should be faaaar highter

[normal mist]

Were they buffed?

[fresh kelp]

in a +4 its a bit hard to ramp into caustic before pack dies

[noble garden]

first pack in Flood

[fresh kelp]

sd and rup are def low though

[noble garden]

Oh its 4, bruh

[granite tusk]

Guys, where can i find how to minmax spatter? In this raid is so important and im new to this mechanic

[bitter canyon]

sheeet

[spice surge]

No, but generally the more stats you have the better stats are

And radiant power has a lot of its power tied to the damage proc

Even though it also has stats

But say youre popping your +66k agi from prism the +2k from radiant doesnt matter much

[bitter canyon]

do you have any addons you would recommend for making sure rupture is on all targets?

[normal mist]

After two seasons, I honestly forgot that secondary stats enchants existed

[bitter canyon]

im really just slamming a few garrotes and a few ruptures in my opener and hoping it gets everything currently :/

[noble garden]

debuffs on plater

[fresh kelp]

plater mod

there are some profiles linked above

changes color of the plates depending on debuffs so its easy to see

[bitter canyon]

perfect, thanks!

[raw marlin]

people have said already but also its a +4 its hard to tell from damage patterns if stuff just gets nuked or something

record screen on target dummies

and show your full rotation

[bitter canyon]

have to run for a bit but ill ping you later when I can get to it

[lofty junco]

i mainly played sub last season, with a bit assa for certain bosses.

how does sin look like in S3 for m+ and raid so far compared with other dps?

[spice surge]

Insanely overpowered in m+

[lofty junco]

how come?

[spice surge]

Numbers are insanely high and its completely ethical funnel damage ontop of that

[somber sparrow]

Guys ret pally discord is shutting down because a week into the patch they haven’t been buffed.

Imagine if rogue discords shut down every time we don’t get mentioned in patch notes

[daring glen]

how much haste does bleed build need for m+ heard casual say it needs some haste but haste seems really low for me in aoe

[lofty junco]

does sin still have the issue with having to go into stealth each pack?

[main bridge]

No stat requirements

[broken lion]

What stats do we craft for dagger?

[somber sparrow]

Crit mastery always

[spice surge]

Well you dont "need" stealth per se, but yes

[lofty junco]

so sin is still dependent on a good tank?

how does raid look like for sin/rogue compared to others?

[agile wedge]

Use your vanish wisely, it helps

[main bridge]

A good tank makes any spec shine

[broken lion]

wait can u recraft old crafted daggers with the new gilded shit?

oh no because different spark right?

[peak helm]

Did they buff ticking sack of terror? Simming as much better for me than ISP. Or did they nerf ISP actually? Warpclaw simming higher than it also

[main bridge]

You can. You can replace the spark

[somber sparrow]

You can recraft the old ones with the new spark

[main bridge]

One catch is that you will have to right click the augmentation rune to remove it

If you used that

[strange python]

waahh close the discord cos we arent flavour lookin ahh

[broken lion]

what does that mean

wait I mean dagger from last season

for a new one this season

[main bridge]

There is a crafting item from s2 gilded augmentation rune which increases ilvl by 6. You cannot recraft until you remove this from the recipe

[broken lion]

I just replace it with the new one right?

[main bridge]

I know what you mean and I’m talking about my experience with redrafting my s2 dagger to 720 yesterday

You only replace the spark and add the new gilded thing to raise the ilvl

[royal lantern]

huh, really?

[broken lion]

Whats the augmentation matrix then?

we cant get it?

was that for the super boost event?

[main bridge]

I don’t think we have that yet in s3

Yeah

[broken lion]

ahhh ok I see

[worldly bridge]

i cant find the guide page that gives spec for each fight its driving me crazy

help

pls

[main bridge]

Not sure there is one. I just check lorrgs

[worldly bridge]

there is

im going crazy lol

[tranquil wing]

this? https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/manaforge-omega-raid-tips

[worldly bridge]

YES

thx ❤️

[tranquil wing]

was using it for my pug raid just now

didnt do as well as i expected

[pulsar gulch]

just found im not using imrpoved garrote im guessing thats like core to build now? 😄

m+

[tranquil wing]

improved garrote + carnage = big numbers

[lofty junco]

how does the current raid look like for sin/rogue compared to others?

since sin seems to be broken for m+, i assume raid doesn't look that strong?

[sly yoke]

sin is pumping on late bosses

https://i.imgur.com/eHmkfR8.png

[quartz kelp]

looking at logs right now is crazy

[lofty junco]

wtf happened to ret and warlock?!

[main bridge]

Lots of people don’t even have tier and it’s early still for raid

I wouldn’t think too much about it

[lofty junco]

true. ret was my favorite alt last season so i was truly surprised how low it was

[somber patrol]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[worldly bridge]

even without tierset ? idk i cant deal big st dmg 🙁

[bright turret]

nah you need 2piece atleast cause it's a massive gain

[lofty nymph]

do we change shiv on 2p?

[velvet herald]

Hey guys, I have a question on M+. My tank normally when the pack is almost dead, pulls another pack. But what should I do in this case when I dont havev vanish? Thanks

[clever sparrow]

im totaly unable to play cleave build How bad is bleed in street?

[sinful sparrow]

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. On top of this, all stats being good on Assassination means there are currently over 500 "BiS" combinations that are within margin of error. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS from world content is especially not helpful, and we do not maintain any lists of these types. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character.

[clever sparrow]

should i sit and learn it?

[clever sparrow]

if the pack dies and you dont hit the new one you can stealth

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[main bridge]

bleed build is the best in s3

[ebon lion]

whats our off piece ideally? chest?

[clever sparrow]

in street it sucks tbh

[main bridge]

you could always play sub

[clever sparrow]

i couldnt hit the dps check on the boss

and we wipe 💔

[clever sparrow]

its HARD (never tried to learn it)

[main bridge]

maybe you should try before calling it hard?

Shindig has a long and detailed video on it

[noble garden]

think its Street who sucks x)

[clever sparrow]

last time i played sub it was dragon flight

[main bridge]

give it a try

it's not that bad

[clever sparrow]

let me search shindig real quick

maybe i have to go sub in street

cause bleed is weak and cleave is hard

[patent snow]

Outlaw is just shelved at this point?

[clever sparrow]

outlaw is chad

but so much gear difference

it require haste versa xd

[worldly dock]

some1 can share the bleed build pls?

[main bridge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[clever sparrow]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps

thank me later ;D

also if you scroll down you can find cleave and hybrid too (hybrid sucks)

[worldly dock]

ty

[timber gust]

Even though I deleted bugsack addon it still spams me with popup lua errors, any reason why?

[grave osprey]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[slate tinsel]

new assass rogue here, can anyone explain what the wowhead guide means when it says to shiv before deathmark as it "buffs your coin flips"? shiv is just mastery which = dot damage, no? in what way does it buff coin flips

[analog field]

coins are nature dmg

[pure bridge]

Anyone finding the Fatebound set CDR triggering incorrectly sometimes? While clearing Heroic Nexus king, my CDS sometimes perfect line up with intermission & burn phases, and sometimes they would just be randomly 20 seconds behind?

[analog field]

shiv buffs nature dmg

[worldly bridge]

with tier set when u press ur CDS u flip coins. u wanna imp their dmg

[worldly dock]

i think i was used to play with KB

i guess this one doesnt have it

[still silo]

noob rogue, on aoe, e.g. 10 targets, when I stop applying rapture and garrote and start to blast one target with envenom?

[clever sparrow]

nah only hybrid and cleave have KB

[slate tinsel]

says in talents it does cosmic damage? i dont understand lmao

[analog field]

yeah cosmic is nature

[slate tinsel]

tf

the more you know

[lunar marsh]

Is it still one crafted wep with ascension this tier? 🙂

[shy nest]

when will we replace mythic jastor ring

[slate tinsel]

oh also on the coin flip thing. mastery increasing poison = nature damage? i remember reading that about envenom, that envenom triggers caustic spatter damage because its technically poison?

[analog field]

If you want all the details you can check the rogue bible (new whispyr video)

[main bridge]

When something else sims better

[bright turret]

i was wondering about the whole shiv first thing but toos cared to ask

cosmic is nature damage is wild

[vocal seal]

roughly, how long should the mob be alive for to use a max Combo rupture ?

if the mob is already hurt

[analog field]

In World of Warcraft (WoW), cosmic damage is a damage type that combines multiple schools of magic, primarily Holy, Shadow, Arcane, and Nature. It's not a single, distinct damage type like Fire or Frost, but rather a composite damage type that can affect various enemies and is often used in specific encounters or with certain items.
google

[analog egret]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[worldly bridge]

whispyr's video said stats are kinda whatever, maybe u can just get haste vers idk?

[clever sparrow]

💀

why you should do it to your self

[bright turret]

the paradigm on that shifted a little bit i'd say, crit is very strong for FB

[clever sparrow]

its kinda whatever ok but why!

[balmy condor]

Because all 4 secondary stars are just vers in disguise

[clever sparrow]

Exactly xd

but you cant have 80% versa 😄

[balmy condor]

Well yeah of course not

[clever sparrow]

but you can have 80% mastery which means 80% versa for poisons

[balmy condor]

Within reason obviously

Full stacking 1 stat is dumb

[clever sparrow]

imagine 80% versa envenoms 😄

[clever sparrow]

do you have any guide about how to play cleave? i rather learn cleave than learning sub

[balmy condor]

Spread rupture press ct press envenom

Repeat for 45 minutes

[clever sparrow]

i did the same with 2mil over all

[patent snow]

Do we Shiv before or during KB on pur second KB cast?

[clever sparrow]

tank was above me 💔

[balmy condor]

Well then you missed one of the steps

[clever sparrow]

is it like bleed build but without garrote?

i mean we open with ambush we garrote rupture FOK rupture FOK rupure

and so on?

[balmy condor]

Fatebound 4pc will only have 1 shiv available for the second kb, so you hold for last 8, deathstalker will only have 1 shiv available because of dry shiv, so also just covering the kb

[coral ibex]

did you ever apply caustic

[balmy condor]

Hell no

You’re playing a poison build

[clever sparrow]

😭

[balmy condor]

You get your scent stacks and then envenom

All your damage is kingsbane and envenom

You skip garrotes cause you have dashing

[clever sparrow]

OH only 5x rupture is enough then

[balmy condor]

Well that’s what it is on bleed technically as well

[clever sparrow]

literaly me applying rupture the whole pull:

xd

[balmy condor]

With what

Carnage is only 6s

[clever sparrow]

cleave

xd

[balmy condor]

You aren’t taking subterfuge

You’ll just run out of time

[clever sparrow]

vanish is another 6s

xd

[balmy condor]

Sure

And then you’re out of that too

[clever sparrow]

dude i felt like sht now

[balmy condor]

Then what

[clever sparrow]

... applying them by tab targeting... and wondering how ppl plays it..

[balmy condor]

Brother

[clever sparrow]

let me try it again..

[balmy condor]

Bro just wants to play internal bleeding so bad

Caustic stupid

Kinda based though

[clever sparrow]

ok to make it clear
i ambush rupture FOK rupture MUTI(for caustic) envenom FOK envenom

[clever sparrow]

i love it ngl

[fallow canopy]

If bleed build is based around bleed why doesn't it take IB? Smh my hips

[balmy condor]

Well ambush fok to 5 then rupture

Obviously you wouldn’t just slam a 3cp rupture

That would be troll

[clever sparrow]

should i send CT after having 5x rupture true?

[balmy condor]

But yes, 2 ruptures for scent and energy, get caustic, press CDs, spam envenom

Yes

[clever sparrow]

GOT IT!

youre going to kill me i guess but how to find prio target...

my plater is sht tbh

i dont even know who to use kingsbane

[winged sun]

l,ook for the highest hp

i always look at the hp

[clever sparrow]

i have slow brain (like 2% haste)

[buoyant mortar]

Not sure how much damage we lose if we dont get allot of re-stealths in M+ my tank keeps asking me and im not sure any more, I remember Whispyr put out a video not to long ago about it, feeling it some dungeons we chain pull for a long time...

[winged sun]

ngl

restealth is not big unless ur a gamer

bleed build restealth is absolutely cracked out the wazoo rn

who tanks for u matters so much dps wise aswell

[clever sparrow]

im the dumbest person alive in this whole world
i didnt know that caustic works only with rupture and a poison...

[balmy condor]

Bleed also has 2x vanish so chaining is chill

[analog field]

pug chainpull is not so good coz they just do it wrong, but a correct chainpull will be more efficient

[clever sparrow]

i was slamming all my bleeds to make it proc.

[royal lantern]

thanks TW weekly

[main bridge]

Most WA packages shown an icon for it too

[analog field]

yeah but he just wasnt trying to caustic until he uses 20 bleeds

[storm locust]

I got the cosmic damage one

[clever sparrow]

yeah but i always thought that i need to have rupture + garrote up for it

[balmy condor]

The way it sounds, he wasn’t caustic’ing at all

[analog field]

at some point he must have ?!

[main bridge]

I get that. I’m providing information to help you confirm you are doing it right in the future

[jaunty warren]

Why is raidbots armory lookup broken but raider.io still working ?

[royal lantern]

also got normal prism from our raid

[clever sparrow]

1 more thing after my ruptures runs out (the 5 one ) and pack was alive should i reapply 5x rupture?

[royal lantern]

so actually both trinkets

[clever sparrow]

by tab target?

[royal lantern]

[main bridge]

Don’t need armory to sim

[buoyant herald]

Nah you’re not, because a dozen people who don’t read tooltips ask the same question every day so you’re in great company 😂

[clever sparrow]

or ignore and just have it on MT

[royal lantern]

my gear is dummy cracked, ngl

[balmy condor]

Your pack shouldn’t last that long, but yeah

[clever sparrow]

lmao

[spice spire]

Just like you king

[storm locust]

I got lucky with my trinkets. My first m+ I got lily, then sacbrood

[clever sparrow]

gotcha

[jaunty warren]

Well since I don’t run the add on how would you propose my talents and gear get into the sim without armory lookup ?

[clever sparrow]

now i know how ppl hit like truck with cleave build

IM READY FOR ANOTHER STREET

failed 4x streets today

[balmy condor]

You don’t have the simulationcraft addon?

[main bridge]

You either get simulationcraft or don’t sim until armory is fixed

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[jaunty warren]

Never needed the add on before now

[balmy condor]

I mean

You did

You just didn’t know it

Armory imports are insanely fucked even when they are working

[main bridge]

The armory would be using whatever you logged out in to sim

[storm locust]

The add-on is so lightweight its crazy lol

[main bridge]

So potentially incorrect results

[balmy condor]

Well not even that, it also doesn’t import anything other than gear

Right now that’s not too much of an issue

But like shadowlands conduits/soulbinds? Not imported at all

Legion artifacts same issue

[turbid sandal]

oh we still dry shiv? I thought that was DS only

[pulsar gulch]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[clever sparrow]

!dry

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[analog field]

it is a ds talent

[jaunty warren]

Never used sims before dragonflight and the lookup did everything I needed…not a big sim monster like some . I just needed to compare gear with pretty static list of talents ( static thanks to the people here ) 😀

[final star]

What is the reason for shiv before dm as fatebound

instead of after

[golden loom]

Edge case flip from dm big dam

[final star]

based

[slate tinsel]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[clever sparrow]

how you guys find prio target without knowing the whole dungeon?

tab tageting for the highest hp works but its slow tho

any other way?

[main bridge]

That’s knowing the dungeon and what’s dangerous

[haughty flicker]

whatever mob is biggest

[clever sparrow]

so it's just the game knowledge

[haughty flicker]

[main bridge]

For example the pact speaker is a prio target in EDA

[clever sparrow]

lmao

[haughty flicker]

only half joking btw

prio targets tend to be elites a lot of the time, which tend to be bigger than other mobs

obviously there are exceptions but if you have no dungeon knowledge thats a fair enough baseline to work off of

[clever sparrow]

whispyr gonna kill me if i ask it
in bleed build should i spam rupture or still 5x is enough ? xd

[main bridge]

You should read his guide

It covers that and likely other questions

[clever sparrow]

yeah im going to reread it for the 10th time

[main bridge]

But basically….

[clever sparrow]

skill issue probably but yeah

[main bridge]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[clever sparrow]

let me re read it

that wasnt question tho 😄

[gray raven]

anyone who didn't play SL not get the portal when timing a 10 halls?

[grim jay]

Some plater profiles have mobs with different markers/colors

Whispyrs has it for example

[clever sparrow]

OH

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[cedar dagger]

what we play on streets?

what build

or is it all just the same

[clever sparrow]

whispyr says cleave

[grim jay]

All the same

Works just fine

[cedar dagger]

i play this one, is this one good?

[analog field]

Dont you use a plater profile ? Like jundies has colours and also the hp bars really visible

[grim jay]

Thats the best universal m+ build ye

[cedar dagger]

Oke

Do we also use CT on ST?

[grim jay]

With that build yes

[cedar dagger]

Clear

[small garnet]

i just wish this build would do st dmg

[spice spire]

Trade offs are healthy.
If you’re the best at everything it’s poor design right?

[eager pond]

Quick question: ascension + writhing armor banding is still the way to go, right?

[hollow dirge]

It’s not amazing, no, but i do not see many specs that do better st if they do similar aoe .
Some trade offs have to be made

[grim jay]

Its kinda sad there mostly are extremes in the last few seasons. Jack of all trades would be kinda cool again

[mint urchin]

Have you told that to FDK? 😉

[spice spire]

I agree - I do wish it were brought in on both sides a little more.
But if we’re doing fuck you aoe, low st is a trade off

[hollow dirge]

It would be cool if garrote silenced without the talent again though 😂

[analog field]

also i think is more fun to pump at aoe and who cares about ST (apart from streets)

[mint urchin]

That would be so strong

[worldly dock]

Guys i dont get any invite... in 5-7 keys.. wtf

[hollow dirge]

Yeah, it’s rough out there. Many people push first day and then you’re fighting big rio’s until you manage to catch up

[half dawn]

do we send all finishers on 6-7 CPS except DN or is there a diff rule? Thnx ❤️

[analog field]

5+

[grim jay]

Most fdks ive seen are worse overall tbf

[spice spire]

5+ outside of dn

[half dawn]

thank you sir

[mint urchin]

They have to give up essentially nothing for either ST or AOE was my point on top of being immortal

[grim jay]

Agreed big dog. I do always think its funny that assassination is more aoe than St tho, theme wise currently

[grim jay]

Ye but that is Jack of all trades

Still not top dog on either

[hollow dirge]

Yeah, but if you do less dmg overall, does not really matter, so long as you have enough dps for bosses 😂

[mint urchin]

It's not jack they are still like top tier class and absolutely blast both ST and AoE

[analog field]

yeah but they do less overall than us so ?

[mint urchin]

Sure it's x% lower but at no trade off

[analog field]

yeah ok let's not argue semantics

[topaz dragon]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[hollow dirge]

Trade off is less dmg overall😂

[mint urchin]

Overall doesn't let you clear hard ST checks like music boss in streets

[grim jay]

They are top tier yes, but they arent top tier on both aoe and st no matter what, else they would just destroy overall, which they dont. They are just up there

Thats what we said

[analog field]

and now we argue semantics

[spice spire]

Are we gonna kiss now or?

[slim hamlet]

Just play cleave or hybrid

[sacred ibex]

How much is standard ST for Assa bleeds in m+? im 688 ilvl doing 2m-2.3m

[main bridge]

[slim hamlet]

Can I join?

[grim jay]

Depends on many things actually

Like CD timing, cooldowns etc

[somber hawk]

Hello, sry to bother, i just start to play the bleed build. Is that a good overlall dmg ?

[slim hamlet]

which key level too?

[sacred ibex]

Pure ST i guess

[sacred ibex]

10-11

[analog field]

if you manage to have 2 sets of cd on bosses you are doing good dmg and most likely not the worst out of 3 dps in dungeon

[grim jay]

Im mostly at around 3m purely St on 10s with average CD timings

[balmy condor]

depending on the key level and dungeon I would expect to see more caustic, otherwise fine

[royal lantern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vD3dFXWtFsMWFkh3hKEewZ

[somber hawk]

its a 2 gambit. i m only starting

[slim hamlet]

I could have sworn my overall was like 3.5 mil on +2 key at 675

Sudden Demise

[royal lantern]

btw whisp, really dumb question, i know, but is secondary stat weapon enchants legit

or something weird going on

[grim jay]

[slim hamlet]

Worgen = -5% dps

[grim jay]

Fuu has them in aswell, so I guess its legit

Its nothing major tho, for me they were like 0.7ish

[royal lantern]

cant hear you over my 140%MS sprint

[slim hamlet]

Can't hear you over my Valeera Sanguinar cosplay capabilities

[royal lantern]

Valeera is the ultimate simp npc

barely a character

[slim hamlet]

nah dog form goes hard, can respect it

[royal lantern]

like, does nothing at all

[slim hamlet]

Good

[royal lantern]

[slim hamlet]

Perfect even

[royal lantern]

but gets hyped cus "lol half naked elf"

[slim hamlet]

all she gotta do is look good on my wallpaper and talent tree page

[grim jay]

Wouldnt call that half naked tbf

Fairly average for 2025 Standards

Agree with the rest tho

(I want her daggers)

[storm locust]

Alliance
"simp"
ALLIANCE

[royal lantern]

i only simp for quake

[slim hamlet]

I think of myself as a horde loyalist but 9/10 of my chars are NELF since they made stuff factionwide

BELF got BIS stealth animation by far tho

+5% dps

[grim jay]

@spice spire tryan wants me to share you with him

[royal lantern]

i kinda wanna play 🦊 again, but also dont wanna pay for a faction swap

[spice spire]

????

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/vulpera-wow-getvulpd-gif-10262502600503714180

[main bridge]

They’re on sale I think

[slim hamlet]

Went away 2 days ago

gg

[royal lantern]

female belf and male worgen have a huge positive because their stealth actually looks like stealth lol

[main bridge]

RIP

[grim jay]

Gold?

[royal lantern]

im not gonna pay my hard earned gold on that

[slim hamlet]

I honestly doubt I have ever seen worgen, but yea BELF you actually even crouch and shit all the way down

rest races just kinda stand awkwardly

[main bridge]

Goblin stealth animation is the best

[rotund lagoon]

Hi guys, is worth to go 2 s2 and 2 s3 tier?

Or we prefer to go 4 pieces?

[royal lantern]

its literally the same with male worgen

thats why i said "the only 2 that actually look like stealth"

[slim hamlet]

do they go dogmode?

[royal lantern]

yes, its good

2 set is dummy strong

[tight ginkgo]

doggystyle

[slim hamlet]

er

m

[grim jay]

||big hairy sandwich||

[slim hamlet]

I miss DF KB :(

[grim jay]

I miss legion kb

[slim hamlet]

I miss ShD

[slim hamlet]

Fake expansion, I didn't play

I thought DF KB was literally just legion?

[grim jay]

I miss fixed 1 min CD shadowdance

[grim jay]

Idk think it was stronger in legion

Unless I remember it wrong

[slim hamlet]

Stronger than 10.2?

[grim jay]

Well it was the expansion feature in legion

The key ability of the artifact weapon

[twilit inlet]

The crouching is nice but the tmog is fucked up, as usual

[grim jay]

Tho idk how big it actually was, poison bomb rng overshadowed everything

[slim hamlet]

true

at least they can look sick by just costumization

Holy

What does dracthyr stealth look like

[balmy condor]

DF kb was stronger than legion, legion had poison bomb

[slim hamlet]

I keep hearing whispyrs (get it) of legion PB but never actually heard what made it special

[haughty flicker]

damage

[slim hamlet]

something aobut giga rng?

[balmy condor]

also legion had a bleed build cause there were bleed powers, and this discord actually had two roles for assassination, one green for poison (which is now community figure) and one red for bleed

so that's a fun fact

[slim hamlet]

Also randomly bought diablo 4 yesterday, opened a diablo news article wowhead and then your name is randomly there, thought it was bugged

[balmy condor]

it was like 1/3rd the proc chance but 10-15x the damage

bro figured out what I do for a day job

[grim jay]

We also had a meme about when to use toxic blade, which basically was the better version of shiv

[slim hamlet]

Well didn't know u did other than assa stuff

[grim jay]

And everyone kept asking when to use it

[balmy condor]

yah, diablo news/guides like 80% of my income

[slim hamlet]

[royal lantern]

just checked, its 1,2% for me lol

[slim hamlet]

I thought no one clicked those

[balmy condor]

this whole assa shtick pays nothing

[royal lantern]

well, secondary stat enchant it is

[slim hamlet]

oh

wait but

[balmy condor]

waiting

[slim hamlet]

surely assa guidewriting is like way more work than news stuff or?

[balmy condor]

for that one week per patch, yes

[grim jay]

[slim hamlet]

oh yea true

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor why do the secondary ones suddenly got value

did they buff them and i missed it?