#assassination

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dim mountain
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(In m+)

grim jay
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For funnel, but he should be doing that whenever possible anyways, unless you do 8s or something

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Then they just dont care

dim mountain
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Im still relearning sub and ass so will only be doing 10s from tmrw for awhile

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No one did lower

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As you said

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It just seemed like the correct way

grim jay
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Ye there are some classes that get a gain on ST by doing that

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Also saves time

dim mountain
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Is ass dt bad in st?

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Or am I bad

grim jay
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Its mid at best ig, on pure ST I am at like 3m or something

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No special CD lineup

dim mountain
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Yea ok that’s what I’m hitting like 2.71m on boss

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I feel discombobulated this season for some reason

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I can’t tell what dmg is good

grim jay
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Overall good

dim mountain
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I did an 8 earlier and ended 5.10 overall

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The run before that I forgot to apply deadly poison

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Things are rough out here for me

brave stump
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!tea

prisma monolithBOT
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With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

drowsy zodiac
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Hi guys, i have tier now but im kinda lost in rotation, how are we using shiv with 4 sec added on KB? It still goes b4?

balmy condor
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You cover the deathmark window like normal

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One shiv for last 8 of the non-dm kb

drowsy zodiac
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Isnt it worth to Shiv KB DM?

balmy condor
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What

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No

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You shiv dm kb

sacred sluice
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Always shiv before dm and kb

warm vortex
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Whispyr have you seen the ret channel rn

balmy condor
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Well not always, but for raiding with Fatebound yes

balmy condor
patent glade
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best spec for raid on assa?

balmy condor
patent glade
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ohh

fading vessel
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with new tierset on bleed build mm+ what do i do on boss? i pool energy to stay at 150 energy or i send as much evenom?

balmy condor
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You send envenom like before

warm vortex
balmy condor
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Darkest night
Rup gar ct
Cooldowns
Clear the witnesses
Mutilate
Envenom

fading vessel
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what Are bis trinkets for mm+?

warm vortex
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Ah ok
So i was doing it right

warm vortex
balmy condor
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An on use and antenna I guess

fading vessel
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okok

lyric gate
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i only swapped deathstalker for tripple boss

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fatebound busted

balmy condor
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You played fatebound on soulbinder?

lyric gate
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y

balmy condor
normal mist
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Whispyr

lyric gate
normal mist
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Breath in

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Breath out

balmy condor
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Oh normal logs

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Okay nvm

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Do whatever you want

strange onyx
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Whispyr crazy for this one

fading vessel
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Versa on cloak for mm+?

blazing tulip
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If I have only a 2min trinket, is it better to hold DM for 30 sec or just send it and use the trinket the second time with the second round of KB?

fading vessel
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or its only because they are pushing high keys?

balmy condor
lyric gate
balmy condor
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Singular focus alone is doing more boss damage than fatebound tails coins would be doing overall

lyric gate
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didnt got pad sadge on the sec set of adds

balmy condor
grizzled geyser
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do i only shiv after all bleeds (including ct) and deathmark are up, lets say in a big pull in m+ (bleed build) where i wanna deathmark the prio target of the pull? or do I spread garrotes and ruptures and immediatly shiv while building cp for CT and deathmark after

dusty phoenix
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Hey Whispyr dont wanna sound complaining just fyi: the formatting of the Rotation Page on wowhead is kinda fucked and Lots of things are displayed offscreen. Fuu fixed it on subs Page somehow maybe he can share
On mobile sry

balmy condor
onyx pond
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!gear

prisma monolithBOT
strange onyx
balmy condor
grizzled geyser
balmy condor
dusty phoenix
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Ye just wanted to tell u that fuu fixed it somehow

balmy condor
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Good for him I guess idk

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I’m following the template they gave me

dusty phoenix
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All g

strange onyx
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Honestly our hero talents are designed by the most unloved person on the planet, the designer need to have hatred in his dna

balmy condor
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Fatebound is sick

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It’s just weirdly anti-aoe while deathstalker is like 70% aoe

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Frankly I’m surprised deathstalker is ONLY 10% behind in st this patch

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It should be way more given how many talents just don’t do shit in single target

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It’s such a weird thing to have both hero talents on opposite extremes

strange onyx
balmy condor
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Yeh

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If they made fate intertwined some giga aoe talent then fatebound wouldn’t be omega cringe in m+ and deathstalker would still be funnelgod

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All would be well

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Such is life I guess

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I’m loving fatebound in raid

indigo mulch
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I don't mind that they are 2 sides of a coin though. 😮

strange onyx
indigo mulch
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No 4p for me though :c apperantly 4p fatebound isen't enough raid dps to warrent a 4p in my guild T_T

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Have to wait til next week

balmy condor
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Sounds like a one way road to double dip city

harsh violet
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!macros

balmy condor
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But it doesn’t seem to bother blizzard much when deathstalker double dips

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So maybe that’s the answer

balmy condor
strange onyx
balmy condor
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Well, loot council wise

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It’s the same thing in our raid

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Next week we probably 4pc everyone

balmy condor
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Would be visual as well

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I’m down

indigo mulch
balmy condor
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You’ll live

strange onyx
balmy condor
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I either 4pc from vault or aotc curio

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Have 3 atm

red schooner
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Just do splits, easy 4 piece, also mental anguish

blazing tulip
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I was lucky. Got 1 from delve, 1 from raid, 1 from M+ and the boe chest dropped for me in heroic

balmy condor
earnest quail
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on council boss is there any strat to who to be targetting or is it just vibes/most cleavable/highest hp?

strange onyx
merry bear
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Is there any reason why so many high keys are played as outlaw instead of assa? is outlaw better?

balmy condor
strange onyx
balmy condor
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No one’s pushing week 1

merry bear
balmy condor
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And the people that are

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Are freaks

red schooner
blazing tulip
balmy condor
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M+ meta won’t exist for another 2 months

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Once prog is over and people get their trinkets and all their myth track and start pushing and stuff

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Then we’ll see

merry bear
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sure, but was wondering

balmy condor
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Based on ptr it’s assa all the way

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But dunno

strange onyx
balmy condor
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His guild is demonic

strange onyx
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Just don’t do splits and have fun?

red schooner
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I'm just going along for the ride at this point

craggy crater
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!loot

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
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Well documented hellspawn of world rank 97500 guild doing normal splits week one just to get skill checked on salhadaar and fall over

red schooner
indigo mulch
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Normal was a joke though D;

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Felt like i was doing lfg ;s

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lfr*

red schooner
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We didn't wipe on salad so, its fine

strange onyx
balmy condor
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Normal these days is just LFR without randoms

midnight snow
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!macro

prisma monolithBOT
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With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

balmy condor
red schooner
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Its less the splits I'm annoyed about and more the splits with 3 days notice HOLY

dim mountain
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My friends guild is doing splits and the raid lead just announced intention to prog mythic before people even have 2pc and there’s a mutiny

balmy condor
fresh kelp
balmy condor
indigo mulch
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btw, we do prism with vanish right? when we are at 4p

strange onyx
balmy condor
balmy condor
red schooner
# balmy condor Insane

I just turn up and stab the boss at this point. Its either that or face recruitment and I've never applied for a mythic team before, it scares me

strange onyx
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I swear to god there is so many dogshit no iq «let’s do what the big guilds do» moves

red schooner
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I got into my current team by accident and I don't know how I ended up here

balmy condor
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YEP

red schooner
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I mean I can have 4pc this week so, this is fine I guess

balmy condor
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Hopeful got banned and managed to play in the race 2 days later

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What’s your excuse

thorny kraken
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man i just got my 4 set and damn the deathstalker 4 set bonus feels awfull

red schooner
balmy condor
dim mountain
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People get a taste of a 15 in timer and get god complex’s. Thinking they can compete with wfr when they have a melee stack who count out loud and a ranged stack who can’t read

red schooner
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New guild is scary. Current guild at least I'm aware of the madness I'm signed up for

strange onyx
red schooner
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I'm doing alright this expansion, SL and DF I'd have borderline panic attacks in any group content if I fucked up

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So like, I've made improvements

balmy condor
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Seek wow guilds if you can’t swap therapy

red schooner
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2 expansions as a solo andy and then dragged kicking and screaming into mythic raiding kekdog

balmy condor
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Like I just wanna vibe with them

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But they’re like

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“It’s my first time doing the dungeon I’m just gonna not do it”

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And then they never do

strange onyx
indigo mulch
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What m+ trinkets should i chase for deathstalker?

strange onyx
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Kappa

ruby quail
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Good day all, is good 2pieces tier old + 2 piece tier new?

red schooner
balmy condor
indigo mulch
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Just the standard mastery/pacemaker?

balmy condor
red schooner
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A +4 6 weeks into the season mind you

indigo mulch
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Well antenna seams far fetched when everyone and their mum wants it ._.

balmy condor
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Ya well

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Really good trinket idk

indigo mulch
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Sure is.

balmy condor
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M+ pool is kinda shit this season

ashen orbit
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streets is rough, and halls is rough

indigo mulch
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I'm guessing just the standard seaforium

balmy condor
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Yeah I mean gear wise

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But true

balmy condor
indigo mulch
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Bruh street is really rough.

thorny kraken
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wait so the deathstalker 4 piece bonus is good?

indigo mulch
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Was doing a 11 and the timer is just meh

balmy condor
ashen orbit
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all dps tier seems really good this season

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except retri it seems

balmy condor
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It’s season 3

indigo mulch
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The deathstalker bonus seams really good in m+ tbh

ashen orbit
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yeah it's always good s3

balmy condor
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The tier sets will all be very strong

indigo mulch
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I'm absolutly blasting in m+ ;s

balmy condor
dim mountain
lyric gate
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still not sure if 2 piece new set is better then old 4 set in mythic +

balmy condor
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People don’t realize that tier sets get stronger every season

ashen orbit
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havent they like officially stated

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that they want weaker tier s1

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and then up the influence of it as they get used to the changes

balmy condor
lyric gate
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for deathstalker ?

ashen orbit
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it's a good theory, but it kinda makes tier boring early one

lyric gate
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i mean it buffs a single shiv

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on hybrid

balmy condor
tardy geyser
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is it worth slamming both catalyst charges on hero track gear now or waiting

dim mountain
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Idek there was a big post I wasn’t a gonna read some paladins drool filled raging

balmy condor
dim mountain
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But it was like three paragraphs of complaining

lyric gate
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what do you play

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cleave ?

ashen orbit
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oh oh

balmy condor
umbral heron
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!macro

prisma monolithBOT
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With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

balmy condor
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Bleed*

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Fucking autocorrect

ashen orbit
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I mean, it says

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"if you have to ask, play bleed"

analog field
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bored is also correct

ashen orbit
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in the command

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and I if anything is happy to just be told what to do

balmy condor
dim mountain
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I’d post the picture but idek the rules about that in here. Either way, ret paladins went crazy

analog field
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whispyr if i got hero track wrist from m+ can i go craft something else? or not worth it ?

static geyser
balmy condor
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You can craft a belt I guess but that’s troll as hell this early

analog field
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yeah, neck maybe ? or sth like chest for the stam ?

balmy condor
ashen orbit
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I have been holding shiv for DM in too much aoe

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gotta get used to shiv'ing CT in aoe

balmy condor
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Yuh

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Shiv that aoe

buoyant herald
ashen orbit
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I will shiv that aoe

balmy condor
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Me when aoe shiv

static geyser
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fateboud still behind trickster so whats the point of it being big

balmy condor
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I mean the point was that tier sets are bigger in s3 than previous

ashen orbit
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Moving the goalpost

balmy condor
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No one is arguing outlaw tuning in here

buoyant herald
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i'll do it if you want tho

balmy condor
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I don’t

buoyant herald
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😔

balmy condor
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You defile these sacred halls with your outlaw speak

spice surge
buoyant herald
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these halls haven't been sacred in a LONG time

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i saw that dog butt earlier today

balmy condor
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Dude idk why that’s back

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That’s been like a spammer thing since shadowlands

spice surge
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Very weird meta for sure

balmy condor
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And it disappears for 6 months

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And then randomly is back

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We’ve probably banned close to 30 accounts over the years using that exact same image

strange onyx
balmy condor
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Its very strange

devout jolt
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Are there set talent specs that are BIS for each boss? I was just swapping to Splatter for a few but stayed Fatebound for the entire raid.

balmy condor
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Yep

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Wowhead guide has a page for it

devout jolt
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Thank you.

balmy condor
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Np

lyric gate
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we hav 2 > 4 prio

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i was stupid would have gotten it

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if i wouldnt catalyst before

primal jolt
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what image glape

balmy condor
wet vortex
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is there mouseover + target macro, i mean so it will apply to target, but if i hower mouseover it will apply to it, bcs regular mouseover seems to disable it for target

balmy condor
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Can just add ; Rupture to the end

analog field
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#showtooltip Rupture
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] Rupture

balmy condor
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Or []

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Yeah

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Like that

wet vortex
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ah, ty

lavish path
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!plater

prisma monolithBOT
harsh violet
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!plater

prisma monolithBOT
onyx pond
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!gear

prisma monolithBOT
magic oar
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whats everyone crafting first up MH dagger?

balmy condor
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Ye

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Loomithar not looking reasonable

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That would be the alternative

raw marlin
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can you combatlog a target dummy?

candid nacelle
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i got set trousers from vault, should i catalyst my second set piece? or do we wait for set drop

magic oar
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do LFR and see if you get another tier piece?

candid nacelle
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lfr drop is 678

raw marlin
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my name is Loop

humble verge
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halls before 3rd boss is fun

image.png
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uhhhh

golden loom
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the season has not started well trinket wise garf

balmy condor
golden loom
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done 30 keys so far and legit 0 trinkets from anywhere not even a bad one garf

ancient rain
golden loom
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i hecking LOVE getting wrists

raw marlin
balmy condor
humble verge
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only had to do 40

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also

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i only had to do 4 for lily

golden loom
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well I got skardyns and spyglass back 2 back first runs in season 1

humble verge
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im set for FB trinkets atleast

golden loom
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but then paid with never getting a myth track skardyns

humble verge
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pace 2nd flood

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lily on 4th

humble verge
golden loom
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but idk I just want to see something

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like okay I have a champ track signet from m0

balmy condor
prisma monolithBOT
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Getting Started with Warcraftlogs https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-6341
Logging your combat is a very powerful tool, and the main way of finding mistakes and improving yourself. Logging your raid, mythic+, or even just when you hit a dummy can be great way to learn!
Here's some common things to look at for rogues:

Checking your resources/overcap: Table -> Resources -> Energy/Combo Points from the dropdown
Buff Uptime and trigger amount such as adr/envenom/symbols: Table -> Buffs
Checking casts: Timeline -> Casts (shows sequencing) or Table -> Casts (for cast overview)

golden loom
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but also fuck signet garf

balmy condor
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Vids not loading for me idk

golden loom
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I have to use house of cards when I play fatebound anyways..

balmy condor
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Oh there it is

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Yes the opener is correct

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Should be shiv before dm with tier

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Otherwise fine

raw marlin
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4set tier or 2set?

balmy condor
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2

raw marlin
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is it a massive dps dif? % wise

balmy condor
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0.5%

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Pretty average minmax

raw marlin
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yh ill fix my muscle memory lol

inner nimbus
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is it worth to catalyze for 2 pieces of tier? i got no luck on raid

balmy condor
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Depends entirely on your goals and your loot council

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Having tier is more damage than not having tier

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And using catalyst charges is basically required

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So like

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Yeah you use them

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But when you use them is entirely up to what you are doing in game

strange onyx
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Send catalyst for fun. You ask here, you play for fun

red moat
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
ashen orbit
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I mean....

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Low key true

lyric gate
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bleed is worse

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then hybrid

golden loom
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Bleed is thanos

balmy condor
golden loom
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You are legit doing infinite damage every pull

balmy condor
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They were doing 20’s on ptr with bleed

ashen orbit
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Zeross is doing the one without KB it looks like

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cursed

balmy condor
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I struggled finding ptr logs that weren’t bleed

lyric gate
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is ther ebleed

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with kingsbane ?

balmy condor
ashen orbit
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Oh, well

balmy condor
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You’d have to drop arterial

lyric gate
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y was sure

balmy condor
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Which is like

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The whole point

ashen orbit
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I fucking knew my talents were wrong

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Time to go respecc

lyric gate
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i did 38 mill opener

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on big momma

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flood 11

balmy condor
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Ok

lyric gate
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how bleed gonna top that

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33 mill ara

balmy condor
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You realize there’s more to damage than the peak of your burst, yes?

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There exists a whole world outside of that one microsecond on your details meter

lyric gate
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i do yes

balmy condor
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Okay

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So armed with that knowledge

golden loom
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Bleed also does kinda the exact same damage every single pull because you arent tied to cds

analog egret
balmy condor
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That’s where bleed does its damage

ashen orbit
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Also im not sure why you did high dmg on one pull with BL, likely with mobs pulled into a boss, so it's like 11 mobs with BL

lyric gate
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like the main strengh for rogue this tier is prio damage

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why would gut it

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for stupid padding

balmy condor
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Bleed does more prio

golden loom
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Bleed has infinite prio

ashen orbit
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Not sure why that specific second is what decides your entire opinion

balmy condor
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But ok

timid thistle
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!gear

prisma monolithBOT
golden loom
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Singular focus is doing like 8-9% overall with 2 set

balmy condor
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Anything else? foxdding

ashen orbit
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Must be rage bait

marsh fjord
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im 100% thinking of going FB on araz in hc on monday

balmy condor
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Mfw “stupid padding” is actually just more prio damage because of how my spec functions

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Super weird

golden loom
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Infinite padding on soulbinder to the point that singular focus does more damage than kingsbane

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Classic cheese spec

balmy condor
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Stupid padding fr

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Topping boss damage because singular focus is doing like 400k dps

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Silly rogue with their pad xddd

latent bluff
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!up

prisma monolithBOT
viscid spear
analog field
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if i start a fight unstealthed as FB do i lose something ?

lyric gate
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hmm you might be right

balmy condor
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One coin flip

marsh fjord
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whispyr

lyric gate
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with bleed

marsh fjord
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how troll would FB be on araz you think

balmy condor
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Numbers

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Uh

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I mean it would be worse for sure

marsh fjord
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on a few pulls i lost my mark

balmy condor
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But probably fine I guess

marsh fjord
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and i think its so bad

balmy condor
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Skill issue

marsh fjord
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At what point losing mark is worse then fatebound at that point

balmy condor
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Bro got skill checked by 2 vanish casts in 8 minutes and lost

marsh fjord
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thats what im thinking about

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😄

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😄

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😄

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Nice ragebait

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8/10

balmy condor
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Ty

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Worked hard for that one

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Idk fatebound is fine

marsh fjord
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would fatebound do more boss damp

balmy condor
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You just gotta cope that you’re condensing your burst into the amp and so it’s better

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No

golden loom
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Yeah idk knowing more about the fight makes me wanna play ds

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But playing it blind as ds was aids

balmy condor
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Unless the adds are exploding or you’re purposefully just sitting boss and ignoring the adds

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Fatebound will be rough

candid nacelle
marsh fjord
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I want to play DS. but when i lost mark on pillars and then i vanished and i lost it again

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made me so tilted ngl

balmy condor
balmy condor
marsh fjord
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I had no mark. and wanted a mark for the next pillar

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i vanished

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and it dissapeared again

buoyant herald
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so with new KB being 18s and lily trinket being 15s, im assuming optimising to cover the last 15s of KB with trinket is just infintessimal?

balmy condor
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Fuck the pillar big dawg what do you care

golden loom
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Well losing it the 2nd time is crazy

marsh fjord
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Yeah

balmy condor
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Pointless intermission

marsh fjord
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fuck the pillar

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you right

golden loom
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Like you already knew by that point OMEGAKEKW

marsh fjord
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i didnt do it anymore after ofcourse

balmy condor
marsh fjord
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but i was so tilted of the earth

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you have no idea

golden loom
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I mean I also lost mark on pillar

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But I had vanished the echo

balmy condor
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Pillar doesn’t give you darkest night

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But you just ignore it and vanish the amp and move on with your life

buoyant herald
balmy condor
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Instead of worrying about a bit of extra damage on a useless intermission add

viscid spear
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I didn't even notice I lost mark on pillar, I was just vibing

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clever sparrow
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do we go bleed on tazavesh street too?

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idk i cant pass the dps checks xd

balmy condor
#

I went cleave idk

earnest quail
#

timer on streets feels pretty tight

clever sparrow
balmy condor
#

Bleed is fine on streets but you have to pull onto bosses

viscid spear
balmy condor
#

5 boss dungeon with 3 mini bosses

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God bless

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Thank you blizzard

#

Very cool

golden loom
#

Cant wait to just play fatebound on every boss during hardmode tho

earnest quail
#

dont forget 10 mins of rp

golden loom
#

Will be a banger

viscid spear
clever sparrow
#

what you suggest 😭

balmy condor
#

I literally just said it?

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You replied to it dawg

#

Read it

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Idk

south token
#

just pull everything onto the final boss

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problem?

viscid spear
clever sparrow
balmy condor
vernal gate
#

Anyone got a rupture counter WA?

clever sparrow
#

is it still fine? :d

viscid spear
clever sparrow
#

or im going to get fked

balmy condor
#

Its still assa

south token
#

keep up bleeds, press buttons

#

profit

clever sparrow
#

ez

#

got it

balmy condor
#

World ending rotational change of having to hit kingsbane

clever sparrow
#

time to find cleave build

viscid spear
#

Apply daggers to enemies until they stop moving

clever sparrow
#

!cleave

prisma monolithBOT
#

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

  1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
  2. If you're not doing +20's or higher, you should play bleed
  3. Even if you're doing higher, you should probably play bleed
  4. No, Fatebound is not good, you play Deathstalker in every key.

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

  • 11.2/Season 3: Bleed has gotten stronger through some buffs and the single target damage you get from singular focus is ridiculously good with the tier set. During PTR testing many high end rogues were just playing bleed everywhere.
  • Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
  • Boss damage: The cleave build is mainly for boss damage (note: not prio, there is no significant difference in prio). Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and some bosses during season 2 were not possible on high keys otherwise. It remains to be seen what push keys in Season 3 will bring in that regard.
  • Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal. Rookery is not in the rotation in Season 3, and there are a lot of AoE dungeons. Dawnbreaker might be a candidate, but unsure currently.
  • Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead outside of low target cleave and higher target AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage. At the end of the day, the builds are extremely similar, but Bleed is looking to simply be the best.
viscid spear
balmy condor
viscid spear
south token
#

does the 2-set shiv buff also increase singular focus/funnel dmg?

balmy condor
#

Yes

south token
#

nice

viscid spear
south token
#

whole pull at 35% hp

#

press shiv

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everything burns to a crisp

balmy condor
#

Such is life

viscid spear
#

I was doing pretty good damage and they didn't understand how.
Mind you I rarely run keys with guildies since 99% of my rating comes from soloQ

open mountain
#

Does the 2 set buff lingering darkness? If so, is it not beneficial to save a shiv for that rather than two during deathmark in aoe?

balmy condor
balmy condor
red schooner
clever sparrow
#

can someone link me the cleave build?

#

cant find it

viscid spear
south token
#

the bleed?

viscid spear
south token
#

!bleed

prisma monolithBOT
#

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

  1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
  2. If you're not doing +20's or higher, you should play bleed
  3. Even if you're doing higher, you should probably play bleed
  4. No, Fatebound is not good, you play Deathstalker in every key.

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

  • 11.2/Season 3: Bleed has gotten stronger through some buffs and the single target damage you get from singular focus is ridiculously good with the tier set. During PTR testing many high end rogues were just playing bleed everywhere.
  • Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
  • Boss damage: The cleave build is mainly for boss damage (note: not prio, there is no significant difference in prio). Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and some bosses during season 2 were not possible on high keys otherwise. It remains to be seen what push keys in Season 3 will bring in that regard.
  • Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal. Rookery is not in the rotation in Season 3, and there are a lot of AoE dungeons. Dawnbreaker might be a candidate, but unsure currently.
  • Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead outside of low target cleave and higher target AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage. At the end of the day, the builds are extremely similar, but Bleed is looking to simply be the best.
clever sparrow
#

its not here 💔

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balmy condor
south token
balmy condor
red schooner
#

I have that bound to deadly poison

balmy condor
#

Unlucky

clever sparrow
south token
#

this is the link to the calc

balmy condor
#

Imagine being talented into eyes

viscid spear
# balmy condor Lmao

I do like 5 keys a season with these people, most of the time the only time I spend with them is in raid.
I just goon M+ by myself

south token
#

i prefer shadowrunner to rushed setup but then again the only thing i run is +10

viscid spear
balmy condor
viscid spear
#
  • I don't run with guildies
  • I don't push my own key
  • I don't say a word for the whole dungeon
south token
#

this is the way

main bridge
balmy condor
south token
#

yeah i figured, this is correct

golden loom
#

Running fast is a dps gain

viscid spear
south token
#

but i like shadowrunner because i also use my m+ spec for open world and questing

#

personal preference i guess

golden loom
#

Connect on mobs fast!

balmy condor
#

Yeah same

viscid spear
#

I'm built different.
Like wrong, I mean.

proud thorn
#

sometimes i have darkest night active and 3 stacks already on my target, casting a finisher does not consume any stacks of deathstalkers mark

golden loom
balmy condor
#

Correct

golden loom
#

Consume dn

proud thorn
#

alright, and does DN have prio above reaplying CT or rupture

balmy condor
#

Yes

red schooner
#

I'm leading the drunk social raid tonight. I have told people to get the cloak. Half of the fuckers ain't gonna have the cloak, I'm calling it

normal mist
#

Without the cloak they can't really do the raid

red schooner
#

I've told them this

urban wren
#

!sims

prisma monolithBOT
red schooner
#

But trying to corral the drunk socials is like herding cats

#

But they've had 4 reminders so like

#

Not my fault

normal mist
#

No raid for them if no cloak

red schooner
#

Yup

clever sparrow
#

in cleave build should i try to spread more than 3 ruputre?

#

or i just haave to smash envenom for caustic?

tall jay
#

Whispyr, I have your how to play sin guide on at work an my boss just asked what I was doing. I said research for power apps…she said carry on

plain hare
#

so our nerf is incoming ?

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tall jay
#

Nope, we are in stealth mode

raw marlin
#

if you had hero track pacemaker, lily and empowering crystal, which 2 you using?

viscid spear
golden loom
#

the combination that sims best

raw marlin
#

ive already got the sims info

#

im aking you lot

red schooner
#

I'm using the one that sims best

raw marlin
#

but they sim exactly the same lol

tall jay
#

Pace and crystal right

#

I have only champ signet

#

So I can’t help much hahaha

burnt star
#

Nerfing base on week 1 where people scale differently is wild

raw marlin
plain hare
nova aspen
plain hare
raw marlin
burnt star
#

Balancing was done with correct tier/gear.
Im tired of us doing good early. People calling rogue op. And then they nerf rogue. People catch up. But rogue stay untouch for a whole patch. And if it wasnt nerfed. It would have end up ok in the middle

#

That happen every tier since the dawn of time

#

XD

clever sparrow
#

do we have a plater to show me the high prio target? 😄

#

im so dumb about using Kingsbane in packs

plain hare
plain hare
# nova aspen ur post is different from wowhead's

nah i took it here https://www.wowhead.com/news/warlocks-at-the-top-dps-rankings-special-edition-for-the-first-days-of-manaforge-378157?utm_source=discord-webhook

Wowhead
Warlocks at the Top - DPS Rankings Special Edition for the First Da...

Today, we have a special edition of our DPS Rankings, highlighting the balance on the first few days of the Manaforge Omega Raid. For this analysis, we will use data provided by Warcraft Logs Raid statistics for The War Within Season 3.

hollow void
#

Thinking of making a assa alt, are rogues still experiencing a lot of downtime due energy starvation?

raw marlin
charred mango
#

Have you guys gotten multiple cdrs from the 4piece? Just got it last night not 100% sure how it works in st as fate bound

median root
#

am i doing something wrong or are araz's collectors not refunding darkest night when they die?

charred mango
#

!gear

prisma monolithBOT
thick juniper
#

!plater

prisma monolithBOT
clear cave
#

hi what is best embelish for ass in m+

normal mist
#

Double CRIT or ascension + writhing

#

Your choice

buoyant herald
#

Embellishments are 🤏

clear cave
buoyant herald
#

No that’s fine too

normal mist
#

Everything is so bad it barely matters

buoyant herald
#

You pick one and don’t think too hard about it again

viscid cloak
#

What is everyone playing on H soul hunters ?

onyx pond
#

!gear

prisma monolithBOT
buoyant herald
spring token
#

For more dmg with caustic spatter do i have to use more envenoms or something else ? i understand i have to do the most dmg with casutic and tempest

viscid cloak
viscid cloak
maiden sierra
buoyant herald
raw marlin
wet spire
glass fulcrum
#

what ilvl we should replace (jastor diamod ring ilvl 671)

normal mist
#

Sim

raw marlin
#

do we have a break point on stats

#

apparntly im at 40% crit lol

#

looks weird stat wise lol

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rotund oak
#

no we dont,just sim

strange onyx
#

Why are the rets so upset?

tawny rapids
#

Hey guys

main bridge
#

This is the rogue discord

tawny rapids
#

For Fb, is the CRIT belt perfered over LR

strange onyx
wet vortex
#

how good lily trinket on DS in m+

humble verge
#

like

#

paladin discord has too much copium

wet vortex
#

its 1.5 min cd, deathmark is 2 min

humble verge
#

honestly

humble verge
vivid seal
#

!FUU

prisma monolithBOT
hard river
royal hazel
#

!plate

#

!plater

prisma monolithBOT
tawny rapids
#

Does anyone know if CRIT BELT is better for faith bound ? Or is it still Lightning rod

royal hazel
#

does anyone remember which plater profile has the purple health bar when npc has dm?

jaunty sky
#

Whispyr

unreal tide
#

Cev's has a purple component as well, try em both and see what ya like

trail dust
#

does any1 have nice mousover rupture and garrote macros?

halcyon saddle
#

These raid fights really showcase how poorly implemented deathstalker is. It is beyond frustrating.

fluid lagoon
sullen topaz
#

did u guys do tazavesh hardmode already?

fluid lagoon
#

i tried to make my own but when ind carnage is active the icon bugs out

odd python
#

question: is there and in-depth guide or video about current assa in dungeons ?

main bridge
odd python
#

i feel that i improved, but i dont want to learn bad habits

stark halo
main bridge
#

One piece of myth loot. Totally worth a try

#

You still get loot if you die

#

I will be doing it every week

ivory glacier
#

does carnage smart target unbuffed mobs to spread rup/garotte?

prisma cypress
#

does anyone know of a combat text addon that allows you to move outgoing damage from different abilities to different areas on the screen (or hide specific damage sources)? i took a look at MSBT but it seems like it only lets you move entire categories, not individual spells

main bridge
#

I’m using ClassicFCT. Maybe it has what you want

ivory glacier
#

name plate scrolling text

chrome mirage
ivory glacier
#

shoots em out above your name plates and out of the way

chrome mirage
#

Also looks nicer

prisma cypress
#

i'll check it out, thanks

lethal wadi
#

@balmy condor is Tight Spender better than Improved Ambush for Fatebound Raid?

half moss
#

I top dps a couple bosses last night, was green parsing while the top 3 under me were all in purples. I swear ive always sucked at parsing.

chrome mirage
#

Found out the hardway on araz last night, the pylons dont refund DS mark

half moss
#

Always low, purple at best, but highest on meter

chrome mirage
#

Felt really cool doing the second half of the fight with no hero talent

half moss
tranquil wing
glacial relic
#

Too good

chrome mirage
#

Yeah, next time I'l hold vanish

halcyon saddle
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
chrome mirage
#

Dimensius felt fine also, because you have vanish for every phase

halcyon saddle
#

I think Dimensius and Forge are a sub angle. Sin for everything else

amber brook
#

For tazvesh street market does the different instrument give different buffs?

main bridge
amber brook
#

ok

#

ty

viscid spear
warm vortex
#

Does anyone know what it looks like when people are marked as leaving
Had tank leave after first wipe and was unsure if i could leave at any point after lmao

hearty seal
#

we wanted to disband streets +9 yesterday at midpoint
couldn't find the option to vote disband so we just finished it without any more wipes

#

felt kinda stupid afterwards

granite sentinel
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
frigid lagoon
#

what effect do we use with the disc belt

#

for raid

hearty seal
#

crit iirc

old terrace
lavish geyser
#

why are ppl not crafting daggers? im mostly looking at the higher rating ones. like casual and shindig

elder goblet
#

Probably been asked loads of times in here but why is my caustic spatter dmg so low compared to other rogues, I dont have 2pce yet and I maintain it through pulls is it because no set yet?

earnest remnant
hearty seal
old terrace
hearty seal
lavish geyser
#

for m+ do we still use 2x dawnthread?

#

or, did we ever do that?

hearty seal
#

don't think we ever did that

raw marlin
#

does wowanalyzer ever get updated for rogue? or any alternatives?

earnest remnant
#

very likely not

main bridge
#

It shows a huge message about not being updated

raw marlin
sterile swallow
#

I think that is why they are asking if it gets updated not if it is updated.

main bridge
#

That’s an even sillier question

raw marlin
#

your answer is sillier

main bridge
#

Like you want a prediction of the future ?

raw marlin
#

IS SOMEONE WORKING ON IT

#

OR NAH

#

holy shit

earnest remnant
#

NAH

main bridge
#

Ask wowanalyzer how would we know

raw marlin
#

ok thanks

#

muffin

#

suck my dick

main bridge
#

Mods?

raw marlin
#

no i asked you

main bridge
#

No I am asking mods to moderate

clear hearth
#

Roid rage

raw marlin
#

haha

craggy crater
#

!plater

prisma monolithBOT
viscid coral
#

how can i set up my plater, so it only shows garrote rupture and crimson tempest dots on enemy name tag? do you need to track other stuff aswell?

raw marlin
halcyon saddle
#

lol

lean plover
main bridge
#

It’s a legitimate question. I dunno what they expect

lavish geyser
#

should blessed weapon grip be on MH og OH? or does it matter? im just thinking that OH hits more then mh

hearty seal
earnest remnant
#

wowanalyzer hasent been updated in ages

raw marlin
earnest remnant
#

nobody wants to sit down and code it

#

zac tried with outlaw for a bit but gave up on it, too much work

sterile swallow
#

Yeah seems like it would be a lot of work for no gain.

raw marlin
#

do people get paid for doing api/raidbots?

earnest remnant
#

no

#

if you mean apls

#

for the classes

#

the guy that runs raidbots ofc gets money though the subscribtions

raw marlin
#

yh but if everyone just stops updating the sims for it to be useable, then its a dead site.. so wondered if he paid people for it

spice surge
#

Nop

raw marlin
#

so if say someone just made a counter to raidbots but then paid people to make them they effectivly kill raidbots?

coral ibex
#

the people who update the sims also use the sims, so they have an interest in updating them

raw marlin
#

yh but interest to update them + money = more interest

coral ibex
#

its also extremely resource intensive to try to run raidbots locally so the system all just works together

odd heath
#

!bugs

prisma monolithBOT
coral ibex
#

yea well you dont need to be a greedy mf to engage in your hobby in a way that benefits everyone

raw marlin
#

getting paid for your time

#

isnt greedy

coral ibex
#

it would be greedy to demand payment for a raidbots apl

#

lol

raw marlin
#

not if that person is making money from it

#

its greedy to benefit finacially from something free

main bridge
#

TCs spend a lot of time on this stuff

coral ibex
#

who is making money from making an apl

main bridge
#

Everyone?

raw marlin
main bridge
#

The world is full of paid apps

coral ibex
#

i’m not making money wtf

raw marlin
#

muahahahah

#

y he no pay

coral ibex
#

because people provide the apls for free

#

and in exchange they get use of raidbots

earnest remnant
#

thats where loop started from, why dont people stop doing that

coral ibex
#

it’s a very simple loop

earnest remnant
#

and take money for doing it

raw marlin
#

yes so.. if someone takes all those apl people and I go hey whispyr, imma give you £5,000 a year to update the apl but only for me.. dont go to raidbots again and ill give everything raidbots has

#

overtime, raidbots dies

#

or has to pay

coral ibex
#

what

earnest remnant
#

you could yes

sterile swallow
#

Yeah this happens in many hobbies that want data and others to use said data in a easy formate. I think of battlescrib for warhammer games.

coral ibex
#

i mean raidbots would have to disable free use at that point

#

if it’s a fully paid service why would he let anyone use it for free

#

he’s paying for apls

raw marlin
#

clearly people pay

#

$5k per class = $65k

#

they lose 2 months revenue

coral ibex
#

yes let’s just spend $65k every time the apls are updated

#

surely raidbots can stay a free service

raw marlin
#

$5k per class per year

runic terrace
#

Can someone tell me why Siphoning Stiletto is simming higher for me, even though it says in Wowhead that you should never craft this Dagger and should stick with Everforged Stabber?

raw marlin
#

for something someone did for free

coral ibex
raw marlin
#

are you 14?

#

or not understand business or what

raw marlin
marble hemlock
sterile swallow
#

Untime all APL people come together and demand money nothing will change and really just talking in a circle at this point.

swift bluff
#

Can we vanish/cloak the interrogation cage for 1st boss streets?

raw marlin
earnest remnant
#

cloak yes

runic terrace
raw marlin
runic terrace
#

this might be the reason

elfin ermine
#

hi all! am i the only ret spec refugee. haven't played my sin rogue since TBC...time to pull him off the bench.

swift bluff
#

Ahh ok yeah not worth fuckin someone there

raw marlin
marble hemlock
elfin ermine
marble hemlock
#

so youre better off crafting everforged with a proper embellishment

elfin ermine
#

jokes aside, super happy to see sin finally getting love looking forward to relearning it

runic terrace
raw marlin
onyx saffron
#

i imported Whispy's plater is it meant to have two green bars one ontop and one underneath for applied debuffs or am i having something conflict with it?

elfin ermine
onyx saffron
#

just taking to much realestate for keys

raw marlin
onyx saffron
raw marlin
#

youre missing

#

something

#

change the border

coral ibex
#

nope that’s wrong

main bridge
#

Unrelated to the WA

raw marlin
#

should look like this

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main bridge
vocal seal
#

can someone reccomend me a plater profile ?

onyx saffron
#

hm ive only started using plater today so unsure what to do to change it tbh

raw marlin
quick vector
#

It is a plater bug

raw marlin
prisma monolithBOT
raw marlin
vocal seal
#

oh

#

tnx

raw marlin
#

of the plater

#

you dont have a font/graphic pack it needs, no idea where from

#

so just change the border of plater

onyx saffron
#

would it be in advanced?

coral ibex
#

its a bug

quick vector
#

Disabled plater and it fixed it

coral ibex
#

ignore loop, they are wrong

onyx saffron
#

kk

raw marlin
coral ibex
#

plater is bugged after the update

raw marlin
onyx saffron
#

ill disable and try that first

coral ibex
#

it is a bug, you are disabling a feature that worked prior

raw marlin
#

clearly a way to fix it as mine isnt fucked is it

earnest plume
#

How am I meant to play the cleave fights like soulbinder? It seems like the adds don’t live long enough to really ramp on them with the cleave build

earnest remnant
#

play caustic, hit the boss

#

profit

#

hope everybody else do less cleave

#

big parse

#

yup

warm turret
prisma cypress
#

better yet, quit worrying about your parse

warm turret
onyx saffron
#

^ yeah cant find shit tbh

#

maybe im just a bit slow

warm turret
#

just logged in after the server maintenance and am seeing this bug now

frozen glacier
#

open plater

#

go to target

raw marlin
vernal gate
#

Anyone got a weakaura that shows how many ruptures u got up?

frozen glacier
#

then find target highlight texture

raw marlin
prisma monolithBOT
onyx saffron
frozen glacier
#

for some reason target highlight texture 1-6 is just a green square now

earnest plume
onyx saffron
#

cheers loopp and everyone else

frozen glacier
#

change it to 7 or 8 and it fixes

raw marlin
warm turret
#

thanks everyone found it as well lol

#

not sure what happened but thanks

earnest remnant
onyx saffron
#

will suss once again once its been fixed

indigo ginkgo
#

wow everythjing simming way higher than depths or radiant , is this correct or bug ?

proven willow
#

when are we locking discord until we get bleed build ST buffs

normal mist
#

I don't think that should even happen

gusty stag
proven willow
gusty stag
#

But warcraftlogs we have all the 2p2p rogues doing 8-9 mil

proven willow
#

does he know

main bridge
gusty stag
#

I for sure don't know. What's up enlighten me 🙂

normal mist
#

Me neither honestly

#

Waiting for an explanation

prisma cypress
#

i guess dslice is taking a different route

oblique sorrel
#

I’m doing more than 7 mil on dslice with competent players no tier

coral ibex
#

are you sure its 2p2p and not like upgraded trinkets/weapon

gusty stag
#

Nothings sure, it might not matter, might be other stuff. I just see alot of 2p 2p doing top dps so I was wondering

#

Maybe I missed something

coral ibex
#

2p2p was a 10% dps upgrade for me in ST

#

so might depend on the character

oblique sorrel
#

Yea that makes sense you still get winning streak and the kingsbane buff

#

I’m a no tier vagabond right now 🙁

deep gyro
placid sparrow
#

anyone else plater doing this after maintenance ??

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main bridge
steep gust
#

!gear

prisma monolithBOT
midnight mist
main bridge
gleaming spire
placid sparrow
coral ibex
#

he's french

midnight mist
#

NA omegalul

placid sparrow
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mr cool over here ig

coral ibex
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💀

livid dagger
coral ibex
deep gyro
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What are the leather boes this tier

light nimbus
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Any1 got a good hekili import for sin?

deep gyro
light nimbus
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Yeah let me be a cuckold that uses hekili

main bridge
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Gross

deep gyro
light nimbus
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will stop when im sure im comfortable with the spec

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playing rouge for few days only

zenith prairie
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Is CT a dps loss on hunters

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it seems like it would be great

main bridge
thick juniper
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m+ question, if ihave darkest night and about to pull a group, should I apply my dots first then dn or dn first?

main bridge
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It’s a crutch and a terrible one

light nimbus
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Im reading and watching videos in the meanwhile

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so

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I just asked a question about an import not why i shouldnt use hekili

marsh fjord
deep gyro
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Top builds were running bleed build in that fight

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So i’d use it

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Unfortunately i didn’t research before the fight and i sucked donkey balls in it.

warm vortex
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Trying to get back into the swing of things :D

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thorn thorn
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@balmy condor Are we gonna shut down sin chats because of how our M+ ST is

deep gyro
hot jay
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Find a tank who will pull enemies on top of the boss for you, queue with them exclusively

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Profit

coral ibex
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rets have absolutely zero mental fortitude

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its wild

onyx saffron
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thats dslice with new 4p went to go item restore some of the old peices just incase 2p+2p is the go for now, my trinks are shit though

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void pecan
slate crown
arctic tusk
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!cb

prisma monolithBOT
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With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

slate crown
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and a bunch of weakaura colors are fucked up

subtle crown
main bridge
turbid ridge
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!up

prisma monolithBOT
south lava
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!talent

fervent willow
thorn thorn
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Couldnt be us

arctic tusk
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did something change to make hybrid build worse than the alternatives

thorn thorn
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We are too vibed out

coral ibex
spice spire
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I’m never vibed

fallow canopy
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vibe check, cock check