assassination

[night vessel]

thought the same. never had such a good vault

[balmy condor]

This is the most obvious tier chest take I’ve ever seen

[humble verge]

and ure still getting tier tho

[night vessel]

yeah true but its tempting

[balmy condor]

Like there’s nothing else in this vault

It’s tier chest or nothing

[ripe sphinx]

i got 4 piece day 1

2 pieces from raid

[hearty seal]

smh
everyone's getting set
meanwhile my vault: shit champ ring x3
694 belt
two 694 delve trinkets that suck ass

[ripe sphinx]

lifes good

[haughty flicker]

socket week 1 pog

[balmy condor]

I took socket as well

[hearty seal]

feels like a socket week yea

[balmy condor]

Okay I’m getting baited again

Take the chest tier

the rest is garbage

[haughty flicker]

go sleep

[balmy condor]

Bed

Bye

No more

[sacred dirge]

For play Assasin u need 3 basic Things
1 ketamine
2 Venom
3 Femboys

[haughty flicker]

do i need 3 femboys exactly or can i get away with fewer

[ripe sphinx]

what abt sin

[golden loom]

10 priory big dam

[haughty flicker]

smh paladin not most damage

funnel more

[golden loom]

we wiped on right side mini boss and I almost solod it with evasion

[sacred dirge]

The best is with 3 so u can rotate in even Mytich and they can rest

[golden loom]

it lived with like 5m hp

[haughty flicker]

rip

[lavish geyser]

I can get 2-set now, if I catalyse. should I wait though? for raid

[golden loom]

have u done LFR already?

[lavish geyser]

nope

[golden loom]

chance for legs/hand token there

[lavish geyser]

ah okay. ill do that then

[dawn pollen]

10 floodgate

[lavish geyser]

but if I dont get it there. i can just catalyse? its legs btw I can catalyse

[golden loom]

it probably doesnt ruin your season

[lavish geyser]

no, its gonna ruin it. im gonna quit if i get 2x tier legs

[golden loom]

then I would wait

[torn dome]

lets see the spell dmg breakdown if poss

[arctic bear]

!macros

[lavish geyser]

for raid?

[golden loom]

yeah

[drifting wing]

do you replace old 4p for old 2p + new 2p

[stable sinew]

Bleeds build is okay I guess

[viscid cloak]

What is stat priority for sin?

[golden loom]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[glossy grove]

m+ without kb feels weird

[normal mist]

IT really doesnt

[viscid cloak]

Thanks a bunch !

[grim jay]

first +8 priory, instant trinket

[golden loom]

have fun in mastery hell bucko

[grim jay]

why is it hell? i have 23k anyways

[neon viper]

Sub is looking better than sin for raid wouldn't you say ?

[grim jay]

I'm a certified mastery boy, I play sub aswell

[golden loom]

based

unless ur first 2 vaults are like giga crit haste rings

[stable sinew]

You want super high mastery anyways lol

[golden loom]

yeah but depends on what gear u get

[grim jay]

t set

got the pyrite infuser from timewalking, actually sims quite good

18.2k agi proc + signet on deathmark is also big, had it once

uptime is quite fine

[elfin fossil]

Holy shit 11’s suck as ass 🥲

[grim jay]

not really

[raw marlin]

this any good?

[spice surge]

Demisemaxxing

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simulate-gif-8199108223823847654

[raw marlin]

if i sim i cant flex

my new trinket

[stable sinew]

How so

[rugged sphinx]

do we craft dagger straight away?

[iron vapor]

we still using bleed build in 11.2?

[golden loom]

I did

[elfin fossil]

The nemesis mobs with pets destroys you

[grim jay]

you already got your myth crests?

[green pier]

wow, that's pretty fun ngl!

[golden loom]

ye

[grim jay]

dang. we spent our entire morning pushing up everyone's key

[chrome meadow]

what is this only set :(

[naive crescent]

lmaoooo

[golden loom]

we had 50 deaths in a 10 streest

[grim jay]

I hate street with passion

the other dungeons are good

but street

[ripe sphinx]

...

i cant even say anything

my group died in fucking halls

11

like 40 times

[quasi ledge]

How we get 3x reshi wraps today? weekly purple chests?

[spice surge]

M+, delves, raids

[quasi ledge]

I want them now before the raid haha

[dire sparrow]

trinket or head? ;d

[chrome meadow]

u can farm the trinket

id take set

[dire sparrow]

true, ye

[royal lantern]

720 dagger done, im happy

[rotund oak]

gz fam

big banana dam

[latent bluff]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[torn dome]

tyty

[wise pike]

!talent

[broken lion]

do we just craft with gilded first thing?

[tight condor]

!loot

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1404831391778078741/assa.webp

[jolly stirrup]

Using it in main Hand until Mythic dagg?

[royal lantern]

ofc

[jolly stirrup]

[grand trail]

is P2P2 good?

or ned to wait for 4p

[lean topaz]

Ok, so I have hero track chest and I have tier legs hero track, should I catalyst the chest for 2 set (I won't raid mythic until 2nd or 3rd week)

[strange python]

do we use bubbling wax and whetstones?

[compact glacier]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[cursive knoll]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[knotty vapor]

are these boots actually a special item or is this a typo

[strange python]

yeah i think the boots were boosting your cloak or something

[haughty flicker]

yes

the tooltip is just being weird

[knotty vapor]

ah okay

[humble verge]

hardmode?

pep

[knotty vapor]

oh wow, okay that makes a lot more sense lol

[humble verge]

oh nvm

thats the boots

[hot pelican]

is it worth to use the catalyst on a chest piece if I have a set piece from the vault ?

[river vapor]

Are yall playing soul hunters as DS? I found having to reapply mark to be awful

[candid mural]

Yo guys, anyone got a good WA pack for the S3 M+ pool ? I tried the one from Causes but I have so many Lua errors

[naive crescent]

did you install the anchors WA

[candid mural]

I did

[naive crescent]

and the addon?

[candid mural]

and CausesDB too

[naive crescent]

weird

[candid mural]

my game is in French, but i was ok last season

i'll try to reinstall everything

[placid sparrow]

wait we arent playing kingsbane in m+ anymore ?

[red schooner]

Bleed build has been a thing for a while

Its fun

[placid sparrow]

i know its been a thing , im new ish to rogue , played it in season 1 , some last season , and am now my guilds rogue this season

so just trying to take it more seriously this season since its my main now

[winged sun]

nice dps

would've done 12m on my 2nd run but our boomkin was starfalling every funnel pack

[chrome meadow]

boomies man

[placid sparrow]

yeah i was looking at someone elses post , just kinda feels like padding stats at that point, i felt meaningful smoking a prio mob in this other build lol

[winged sun]

what other build

all builds have omega prio rn

[placid sparrow]

last season build

[winged sun]

its not pad if ur doubling everyone's dps

even if its pure pad and 0 funnel its legit giga worth

its like having an extra dpser

super broken

[placid sparrow]

oh , see i didnt know , like i said , newish lol. i was always under the impression the bleed build had bad prio/ bad ST , thats why im asking questions

[vestal wren]

the boots have a special effect on them, its based on the upgrade track they are on so you usually want to have them on higher update track

[crude token]

Are assa viable for all bosses or do I have to get sub gear aswell? (if so, can you run assa with vers+mastery gear?)

[royal lantern]

wow rule #1

if you have to ask "is X viable?", you are worlds away from playing on a level where spec choice matters and should just play whatever you are best at

some fights probs favors sub instant burst profile

but like, only a handfull of raidteams will see tthose fights on a level where you will go "i have to play sub or we cant do this"

[static glacier]

thoughts on dagger craft if you will be farming myth, dagger in OH is locked in for rest of the season right?

and it'll make farming m+ easier

[winged sun]

man bleed build is making me feel alive again

vibing the shit out of it rn

giga op on all key levels

[static glacier]

just wait for 4pc

[winged sun]

+2

+20

+200 keys

+2000

all levels

[static glacier]

holy shit

[haughty flicker]

world first +2000 holy

[winged sun]

[chrome blaze]

do you guys group for delves, i feel like i get 1shot by stuff soloing it, died twice in a 9 and now im afraid ha

[winged sun]

time to swap name to red

[naive crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/obiwan-star-wars-obi-wan-gif-10973435

[royal lantern]

thats what we have been doing the entire expansion?

[real pike]

tempted to go hybrid/KB build for these early tyran keys, bosses feel horrible lol

[royal lantern]

Mainhand is one of the biggest possible upgrades, you want a embelishment anyway

[royal lantern]

if you wanna do worse in dungeons?

it doesnt do more boss dmg mate lol

[real pike]

it feels better though aha

or less worse

[royal lantern]

its literally the same dmg

but less aoe aswell

[real pike]

yea just long ass boss fights are more fun with it

I'm one of the minority that prefers how hybrid plays

[west crown]

Cleave >>>

[real pike]

based

[humble verge]

dk said he would beatme

[west crown]

Idk having all my damage out and rolling in the first 6 globals isnt fun. If I wanted to play ret I would

[golden loom]

10 flood

the damage you do when pulling more mobs onto big momma

is absurd

[uneven marsh]

Perfecto playing DS instead of FB in Echo splits on the wall boss.
Is he trolling or what

[haughty flicker]

anti gambling laws are cracking down hard recently

[grim jay]

maybe... he doesnt have set yet?

or just got it?

or doesnt care on splits

[uneven marsh]

Idk, they just jump from char to char, I did not keep track of it.
Seems just doesn't care maybe ?

[whole mason]

Mean Streak now getting through Edge case?

[worldly bridge]

Hey i'm struggling to keep track of all the ruptures and the DST mark on gigapulls how are u guys managing them ?

[uneven marsh]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[worldly bridge]

I'm usually finishing twice with rupt then CT then caustic/envenom main target on 7-8 mobs packs and more garrote rupt on gigapacks

My main issue is finding back the DST mark when there are like 10+ mobs its such a mess

[uneven marsh]

Install one of the plater profile, you can see more clearly which mob has DSM

[radiant yoke]

rank 1 on LFR loom'ithar

[royal lantern]

what

bleed is literally sustained dmg you bozo

[worldly bridge]

https://wago.io/PerclknQY

Im using this one to learn the prio target and kicks

[red elbow]

how does caustic range work?i env dimensius form left side,will caustic damage adds at right side?

[uneven marsh]

Whispyr's plater profile is based on Jundies, so you can replace it

[royal lantern]

12y from the center of your target

[uneven marsh]

#assassination message

You should better understand it with the nice drawings

[azure bronze]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[quaint dragon]

does our rotation change in m+ with set?

[royal lantern]

no

[red elbow]

tyty

[worldly bridge]

Can i make nameplates bigger / smaller based on debuffs ?

As in, i wanna make DST nameplate hella big and mobs with garrote/rupt/ct tiny for clarity

[chrome meadow]

is there a macro to target deathstalker mark target? after applying bleeds etc.

[worldly bridge]

that would be sick

[uneven marsh]

The best thing to do is to never swap targets.
You just macro mouseover kick/garrote/rupture on other targets and IC doing his job on pull

Especially true if you are not used to spatter management and doing mutilate on wrong targets

[chrome meadow]

i do mouseover after applying my first 5 ruptures and going into cds, after than when reapplying i do with mouseover

[uneven marsh]

Then why do you need a macro to target mob with DSM as you never swap targets ?

[chrome meadow]

because its clunky when i do with mouseover often i just have problems with the cursor aiming lol

sometimes i reapply rups on mobs that alr have it

[uneven marsh]

Yeah sometimes this is an issue when the fight is hectic

[static glacier]

ye but im starting to consider wrist since im the sole rogue in my raidteam

[uneven marsh]

You could use a focus macro when you apply DSM on pull

[chrome meadow]

how would that work?

[celest crescent]

eco dome 2nd boss is great for deathstalker, i love the design

[uneven marsh]

Why is it relevant that you are the only rogue?

[royal lantern]

where do you put ascension then? or do you guy double dawnhread?

[uneven marsh]

It puts your target (with DSM) on focus, then later if you target swap, you can get back to your main target easily by clicking on the focus frame

[humble verge]

honestly

im not surprised if im 700

end of the day

[chrome meadow]

thats actually a very helpful tip

[humble verge]

i have yet to have touched my alts

[cold zealot]

I just had the weirdest bug where my caustic spatter didn't proc. Trippled checked everything and it didn't work until i changed to internal bleeding and back to caustic...

[static glacier]

bc no competition for daggers

if you're in a team with 2 or 3 rogues play would be you decide who crafts and who loots first one

[deep gyro]

Or just get two to drop

[static glacier]

im guessing it would be dawnthread or any other embelish really, they're all kinda crap

[uneven marsh]

Oh no, dont tell Whispyr...

[manic quartz]

@white lance how do i remove the glowing borders from shiv when its used? i looked trough and couldnt figure it out, or if anyone else who uses the same WA knows?

[uneven marsh]

You are like the 4th or 5th guy to report that

[deep gyro]

Ended with 3 p without wasting cata charge. Life is good.

[west crown]

Completely missing the point. Ramp is fun.

[cold zealot]

@uneven marsh good to know thx.

[stable sinew]

Then play the ramp build

[uneven marsh]

The glowing effect is useful : it is made for 'Improved Shiv' tracking

[west crown]

Not going to troll damage, just won’t main rogue this season 🤣

[manic quartz]

Not for me, it hurts my eyes, i dont need it. but found the way already. 🙂

[stable sinew]

The ramp build still does good damage my guy. Bleed is just better lol

[hearty reef]

[twilit flower]

hi guys, whats ur first craft? dagger maybe?

[humble verge]

yes

[uneven marsh]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are boot/wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" overall, but Blessed Weapon Grip + Dawnthread can be VERY VERY slightly better in m+

Always craft a dagger for at least an offhand. Put Ascencion or Blessed Weapon Grip on it. Additional Crafts should be Boots/Cape/Wrist/Belt for your second embellishment, after that whatever low item level slot is fine, necks can be good crafts.
If you have a myth track weapon in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[shy nest]

how big was the tierset for assa?

[pliant remnant]

I crafted dagger

Swapped to Sub to fix its gear set, so it equipped my old daggers

and my crafted dagger literally vanished

No buyback, no item restoration

what the fuck

[humble verge]

im literally at the same spot as i was last season

and then im gonna be like

2k rogue again

[mild tiger]

that's mine in 10 flood

a bit more caustic

[wide flare]

how you got so much caustic damage? I don't get it...

[fresh mica]

this good

?

wait here real numbers

[nova aspen]

yuge numbers

looks good

[fresh mica]

can it grant strength ?

or is it 100% agi ?

[sullen violet]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are boot/wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" overall, but Blessed Weapon Grip + Dawnthread can be VERY VERY slightly better in m+

Always craft a dagger for at least an offhand. Put Ascencion or Blessed Weapon Grip on it. Additional Crafts should be Boots/Cape/Wrist/Belt for your second embellishment, after that whatever low item level slot is fine, necks can be good crafts.
If you have a myth track weapon in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[nova aspen]

i assume it will be whatever ur main stat is

so agi for rogue

only downside is its a 2min trinket, so would not be able to use with fatebound new tier set

[fresh mica]

kk

[thick juniper]

for bleed. which talent would you guys give up for iron wire? master assassin?

Sanguine seems too sexy to give up

[candid sun]

Iirc second shiv

I just got used to not having IW

[thick juniper]

whats IW?

[candid sun]

Iron Wire abbreviated

[thick juniper]

aah

thank you

[candid sun]

Np

[solar wyvern]

I ascended and hit insane blindsides in execute. Prog is gonna be bad rng now :(((

[candid sun]

You could probably run it if your pugs are that bad at kicks

[thick juniper]

gratz Charrend, thats insane

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tall atlas]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[deep gyro]

Is the mark getting lost bug around. There have been multiple times where i just lose it.

[placid wave]

A lot of mobs don't die normally

They go friendly, despawn....other things.

[snow hamlet]

@vestal wren shadowmeld can trigger double jeopardy, how can I implement this in apl?

[placid wave]

My current favorite death stalker annoyances are the stage boss in streets and the pylons on forge master boss

[vestal wren]

if its not doing so, need to do in github/simc

if it does and you want to adust the apl to play around it, can just do adjustments to the apl on raidbots

[jolly mica]

Is wrathstone lowkey broken?

Simming 20k lower than 6/6 myth ritual forge.

[deep gyro]

I lost it on the boss with the pylons and orbs spawning. When we killed last pylon it went away. And I had used my vanish earlier.

So no mark in execute phase

[snow hamlet]

ty i'll try it

[placid sparrow]

dont neglect the timewalking weekly , my buddy got ritual forge and i got Salhadaar's Folly , 7k mast on that bad boy at 4/8 champ

[jagged elk]

hey guys!
if our last CP is empowered in ST, do we use FOK or sth to achieve and trigger it?

if you are like 6/7 CP

[grim jay]

you mean if you have DN up

just go about your rotation as usual

fok if you would fok, mut if you would mut

[jagged elk]

yeh with DM on 7th CP

[cyan lily]

how much hast on bleed build dg

[grim jay]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[hot jay]

Fatebound felt good on normal dimensius but I hope the higher difficulties aren't plagued by more adds

[idle wing]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[deep gyro]

How would i use prism on assa? Do i just send a trinketless dm on pull?

[naive crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/kylo-ren-traitor-star-wars-gif-16767158544211392703

[strange python]

i got 2 rogues

[humble verge]

jesus

2p is 300k dps increase

[strange python]

outlaw is more fun but sin rogue is just feels more lazy... i also am not a fan of bleed build

[fluid dust]

@deep gyro If you find out let me knolw

big regret after getting it today

[deep gyro]

I was thinking double on use but that’s prob bad. I had guild give me one and now idk how it to make it work

[sharp trellis]

What is the macro fatebound with coldblood ?

it doesnt work

[golden loom]

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

[sharp trellis]

i will try it again but it seem that doesn't work

can add vanish as well ?

[golden loom]

well without 2 piece u could but probably shouldnt still

with 2 piece u dont want to macro

[golden loom]

but did u swap between sub and assa?

might have to relog

[stable sinew]

You just send with DM it’ll stack up while DM is on CD, no reason not to send it

[magic thorn]

Soulbinder Dmg looks balance kekw

[static glacier]

bigger pulls probably

[glad tusk]

guys

[ripe sphinx]

ROLE CHANGE TOO??

LOL

[glad tusk]

in AoE bleed spec when boss fights single target, do we use crimson tempest?

[deep gyro]

Yes

[ripe sphinx]

man those outlaw guys

am i right

[red elbow]

sometimes i DN twice in a row, how does that trigger?

[deep gyro]

Prob got parried?

[hot jay]

Actually learned some things from the 3+ hour rogue encyclopedia, huge whispyr W

[red elbow]

no,it trigger when i dummy

[worthy canyon]

rogue is so hard

[hot jay]

Experience was telling me that effective use of rupture sniping was good but I didn't know that to actually be true, factually

[wise whale]

god i love cock

[deep gyro]

Hacking then

Reported

[worthy canyon]

same

[red elbow]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[timber wren]

Someone got a link to a guide for mythic+ specs this season? Is fatebound the go to with 2/4pc?

[worthy canyon]

look pins

[timber wren]

Ty Ty

[ripe sphinx]

is this spec hard

[worthy canyon]

not as hard as i am

[ripe sphinx]

how much dummy hitting am i gonna have to do

i sat at the dummies for outlaw for like 4 hours straight

[worthy canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/connection-issue-world-of-warcraft-wow-orc-im-having-a-connection-issue-gif-4862866886490737694

[wise whale]

so on a scale of 1 to fotm

[royal lantern]

eh, its not really that complicated

[worthy canyon]

many keys

[royal lantern]

like, you can sum up assa with "keep bleeds running and then do envenom"

[worthy canyon]

oh

[hot jay]

Holy

Has outlaw advanced that much since BFA days?

I haven't touched since season 2 BFA

[royal lantern]

BfA Outlaw and Outlaw since DF are different yeha

[wise whale]

it's hip with the youngsters nowadays

[ripe sphinx]

idk but my adr uptime is never sub 90%

[royal lantern]

assa didnt change that much

[ripe sphinx]

so

practice worked out

[royal lantern]

it was back then aswell

ultimate ADHD zoomer spec since always

[wise whale]

if you equip juul pods with 4pc outlaw sims crazy

[pine cave]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[pine cave]

!blet

!belt

[hot jay]

Now I know why people say outlaw has a more flat damage profile

[royal lantern]

sim

[wise whale]

!blyat

[worthy canyon]

!penis

[wise whale]

!cock

[royal lantern]

i mean, you could have always just look at the dmg breakdown of any outlaw ever lol

[worthy canyon]

!widepeepohappy

[wise whale]

!widecockohappy

[hot jay]

How tf you gonna let a spec stay in its cooldown over 90% of the time

That means the cd has to be tuned low

[royal lantern]

yes

its kinda the idea behind the spec

[worthy canyon]

hot

[wise whale]

because that cd is inherent to the classes design

as is the cdr needed to attain it

tldr cock

[royal lantern]

its also very problematic and a reason why outlaw tends to be in a weird spot

but eh

why do we talk about a warrior spec anyway

[worthy canyon]

im fury warr 👀

[hot jay]

Wow just doesn't play that way in most real content so it seems weird to design any spec that way on purpose

[wise whale]

zzzz cloe why

[hot jay]

Cd burst usually good

[worthy canyon]

i love smashing 4 jkeys

[wise whale]

i know the dopamine received from seeing the digits on the meters is bis feelings but how bis feelings would it be if all classes could do that

so it has its own niche

[hot jay]

Most specs do function within their little cd windows though, there aren't many exceptions in the same pool as outlaw right? Now there is a big variance on how big those windows are and their damage outside the windows, along with the difference in CD timings (1.5, 2 min and 3 min) but most specs do have a fair impact from their cds

Especially during lust

[pine cave]

guys do you have macro on calceing lighting rod ?

[sharp trellis]

sorry it may have been said before but is 2p+2p better than 4p ?

[clever gust]

[sharp trellis]

can't read

[restive falcon]

does our fatebound opener change at all once we get 4pc?

[royal lantern]

dont use lightning rod?

[sharp trellis]

ho wait

[pine cave]

ok xpp

[naive crescent]

fotm smfh

[regal linden]

[viscid spear]

Stop hitting yourself

[ripe sphinx]

my friend is fotm abusing (hes been playing havoc dh since it released and has no alts)

its 6 am and im 7 beers deep

time to do keys

[quartz kelp]

chat why is my cloak stuck on 707

[prisma cypress]

unlucky

[hard river]

indie game

[twilit cargo]

how much dps gain is 2 set/4 set

[hot jay]

Even though we become a 1.5m cd spec with the new 4p set would the araz forge trinket still have extra value for the bosses that have damage amps?

[severe meadow]

You know those funny games where you can fail gear upgrades

You failed man, sorry

[hot jay]

In the raid

[quartz kelp]

i quit that shit to come back to wow...

[dense hamlet]

mine fixed by exiting the raid for some reason

[quartz kelp]

havent stepped into raid yet

[dense hamlet]

no idea then

[quartz kelp]

tried relogging and going in/out of dungeons alr

[formal harness]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1404831391778078741/assa.webp

[hearty reef]

chat

is the thing

"vote to leave key" live?

[sand aurora]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[main bridge]

Should be

[hearty reef]

where press?

i couldnt find it

[twilit cargo]

./abandon

[hearty reef]

real? ty

[earnest flume]

anyone got a good way to keep Deathmark for intermission on dimensius? havent gotten to the second platform so dont know if it stays then or in p2. but i lose it completly going from p1 to dragon riding

obviously i vanish to reapply there, but not sure itll be back up in time to do again

[desert vault]

so Fatebound opener is DM > CB > KB > Vanish? Is that right?

[viscid spear]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[twilit cargo]

!tier

[prisma monolith]

Get your Season 2 Two Piece immediately, as it is a powerful gain. The new 4 piece is equal power to the old 4 piece at equal item level

[viscid spear]

#assassination message

tl;dr get S3 4pc asap

[twilit cargo]

are there

%

[west crown]

Deathstalkers? If you have to vanish to reapply it just do that. Those mobs will die and you will keep it rest of fight

[twilit cargo]

on how much it is

[viscid spear]

Yeah, lemme try and find it

[twilit cargo]

i want to know the % dps inxrease

[twilit cargo]

thanks

i been lookinh for it but cant find it

[main bridge]

You can always sim it yourself

[viscid spear]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1404969129626042438/image.png?ex=689dc7b7&is=689c7637&hm=a30a889591f75b93dbb8572ba929f3de281bd6b9de3128b0bb8dfe541a4c6315&

[deft jay]

someone has the macro for shadowmeld restealth?

[viscid spear]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/season-3-tier-set-dps-estimate-spreadsheet-by-ulria-378123#ulrias-tier-spreadsheet

Can also check the spreadsheet here, @twilit cargo

[twilit cargo]

thanks

so its 500k dps inxrease

like 8% ish

4 piece

[hard river]

some of the talents in there look strange, there might be some mistakes

[main bridge]

People too lazy to sim will never look at that

[hard river]

like the outlaw trickster

[marble hemlock]

[ancient pasture]

the pure bleeds build feels terrible on single target, how much aoe loss is the hybrid build in m+ aoe?

[old lily]

Hey, anyone got a proper wa to show the fatebound coin flips, kinda like in shindiggs video recently

[royal lantern]

hybrid is not better on bosses

fyi

[old lily]

rn the one i have just shows one coin with some % i don't understand

[ancient pasture]

u used the aoe raid build, which is way better on single target, and that is hybrid?

[viscid spear]

No real player actually plays Outlaw.

[ancient pasture]

or at least it feels better

[white lance]

hmm, did you try to disable the "glow" setting?

there is no glow by default, so you mustve turned it on at some point 🙂

[thick sigil]

So after buff, is Screams of the Forgotten Sky still useless?

[quaint dragon]

guys do we use tempest in st on m+build?

[naive crescent]

yes

[quaint dragon]

like also 100% uptime?

[summer wharf]

How many garrote/bleedes do we Apply on Big Pulls ?

[naive crescent]

yes

[nocturne imp]

!craft

[prisma monolith]

Preferences currently are boot/wrist/belt/dagger for embellishment depending on what you go for

Darkmoon Sigil Ascension (dagger) + Writhing Banding (wrist) is generally "the best" overall, but Blessed Weapon Grip + Dawnthread can be VERY VERY slightly better in m+

Always craft a dagger for at least an offhand. Put Ascencion or Blessed Weapon Grip on it. Additional Crafts should be Boots/Cape/Wrist/Belt for your second embellishment, after that whatever low item level slot is fine, necks can be good crafts.
If you have a myth track weapon in your main hand already read the above and pick whatever you prefer

[pearl mauve]

Any smart ability to macro CB to?

[spice spire]

!cb

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[pearl mauve]

❤️

[sand aurora]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[indigo mulch]

Is there a place where i can find any good m+ trinkets? Or is it just the same ones as raid?

[inner swift]

how we lookin boys

[indigo mulch]

biiiig

I'm getting 4p this week unless no token drops for me D;

[inner swift]

if i get a piece from raid ill be 4 aswell

[nova aspen]

did u already try ur luck in timewalking?

[inner swift]

haven't done that or delve yet

just 9s and 10s

[nova aspen]

what are u waiting for?? go go go

[inner swift]

surely in a few

D:

[rose inlet]

was the buff to curse stone idol yesterday anything decent

[unkempt vine]

Hey guys, I recently changed race on my rogue and my crafted dagger went from Agility to Intellect , does it happen to anyone that can give some sort of advise on what to do?

[main bridge]

Lmao

[fallow canopy]

well that's a new one

[nova aspen]

small indie company

[main bridge]

Never heard of that happening and I’ve changed race multiple times

[leaden timber]

yikes

[main bridge]

All you can really do is open a ticket

[unkempt vine]

ye I did.. welp guess I have to wait

[nova aspen]

20 years of spaghetti code

[quaint spindle]

I've never heard of that before lol

That's insane

[grim jay]

sounds like a story to hide the fact you crafted an int dagger.

[unkempt vine]

Ye it happen, I had both daggers crafted before new season, just changed to Nelf and it happend

[unkempt vine]

Nop. I had crafted it correctly.

[main bridge]

It would be an everforged stabber if your story is true wouldn’t it?

[tawdry root]

Hi all just got my 4p - does DS play around delaying a shiv when DN is up or does it not matter? (Since it consumes a DM stack)

[grim jay]

shouldnt even be close to possible

[viscid spear]

[grim jay]

they dont touch the items at all and they for sure dont change a whole item for another

[hard river]

Rip

[viscid spear]

Yeah, there's no way they just flip your Agi to Int

[fallow canopy]

surely

[grim jay]

I mean it isnt even that

[fallow canopy]

[grim jay]

its a whole diff item

not just a swapped stat

happens, also once crafted a strength sword on my mage

not that it matters, its old gear

[placid sparrow]

keep double 2 set or send new gear if i have new 2 set ?

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simulate-gif-8199108223823847654

[strange python]

Any tips for tracking which mob is deathmarked in a huge pack

[viscid spear]

Yeah, that's what I meant. They had to have made the wrong item and convinced themselves theg weren't at fault

[grim jay]

ye

bad cover-up story

blizz wont do shit either way

[main bridge]

Use mouse over macros for other mobs and don’t change target

[amber stream]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[viscid spear]

Man, playing Fatebound ST last night was bizarre. I've never played that Hero tree before.

[main bridge]

FB is nice

[west crown]

Whispyr weak aura pack turns health bar purple

[main bridge]

Feels fast paced compared to DS

[strange python]

any tips for tracking my mouse cursor when shits hitting the fan? 🤣

[main bridge]

Lots of mouse cursor WAs out there

[icy ether]

I've always used cursortrail

I like the sparklie

[viscid spear]

Yeah, for sure. Was weird not having to track DS

[placid sparrow]

i use an addon called cursortrail and i have a lighting trail on my mouse , cant miss it

[icy ether]

do I recraft my dagger with myth crests when I can afford it?

like even with good vault next week I still need a dagger always right

[placid sparrow]

where yall also absolutely BLASTING on soulbinder ???

[viscid spear]

I just noticed my guild didn't log last night

[burnt turret]

!loot

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1404831391778078741/assa.webp

[viscid spear]

I hope I did okay

[real solar]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[real solar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[river vapor]

Plater settings

[placid sparrow]

we didnt get the kill last night best pull 24% on heroic before raid time was up , that pull i parsed an 80 and ilevel parsed a 100

[viscid spear]

We just hopped in Normal, got to Dimensius and did some pulls.
We should have him when we raid tomorrow and then it's some Heroic.

[woven ruin]

How many people panicked not seeing DeathMark lol

[placid sparrow]

yeah we started heroic and gonna blast normal tonight and back to HC if we have time left

[viscid spear]

Personally I liked not having to worry about it. Was nice on Sentinel/Loom/Frac being able to just watch Garrote & Rupture

[viscid spear]

Our group has some incredible skill gap.
You have people that gooned dungeons as soon as servers were up and then people that didn't know how to Skyride during Dimensius intermission

[placid sparrow]

i feel this all the way to the deepest part of my soul brother

[viscid spear]

Same people that struggled on Tindral intermission, btw

[hallow glade]

holy

[river vapor]

For the demon hunter boss are yall gonna play DS? I was thinking target swapping will be impossible on that fight

[hallow glade]

discount forge

[placid sparrow]

ii was just typing that XD

[viscid spear]

Forge from Temu

[placid sparrow]

dog i got a cloak as my hero timewalking -_-

[jaunty sky]

[viscid spear]

All I can do is be the best I can be

[placid sparrow]

they had to buff that trinks damage by 500% the day before season launch

[granite tusk]

!macros

!m

[wet wharf]

Sorry fellow rogues, this has probably been asked already. But is it ok to just craft the dagger straight away? or is there a smarter play with gilded?

[naive crescent]

yes and then no to your respective questions, mh is always the most important item and almost universally first craft

[vestal granite]

Sudden Demise still not fixed in Delves, how hard can it possibly be

[gray marsh]

Do you have to vanish to reapply hero talent mark if you can't restealth?

[rich dagger]

Are you supposed to crimson tempest on single target?

[vestal granite]

only when full specced into bleed afaik

[rich dagger]

afaik?

[scenic kiln]

as far as i know

[rich dagger]

oh ty

[coral ibex]

only in the case of dropping the buff entirely

otherwise you just build to 7cp and consume DN

[turbid sandal]

is OH ilvl still a bit of a joke? As in it should be the last thing to spend crests on?

[coral ibex]

like any other time

[safe bloom]

Are we still using electrical current as our titan disc?

[royal lantern]

thats so specific lmao

"race change swapped my dagger into the Int one"

[heavy jolt]

the bis list has Seal of the Panoply (streets) on it. i dont see it in the loot table though

[rapid sandal]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1404831391778078741/assa.webp

[hard river]

that ring doesn't exist, but there is a similar ring in priory i think

[quaint dragon]

do we ever reapply garrote at the end of stealth with the m+ build in st?

[supple ether]

My first craft should be dagger yes?

[topaz horizon]

Yesnt

[orchid pewter]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[shy axle]

is it worth to play fate on dimensius like the guide says or did the fight show to be more of a ds fight?

[amber stream]

Is Lily of the Eternal Weave macroable to DM?

[shy axle]

yes

[rotund oak]

yeah why shouldnt be

actually gigachad tirnket

[shy dragon]

the combo
feelsgoodman

[lime onyx]

Hey! with all the trinket tuning, has anything changed for us?

[clever sparrow]

i was crying in this M4

that dh make my key a living hell!

[unkempt scroll]

DS seems better but it's also annoying to manage mark on the fight. Good amount of people seem to be doing well with FB on him

[green pier]

just seen double hero track secret technique drop in gambit, and got neither :<

[clever sparrow]

anyone can check my log?

[maiden bear]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[marble hemlock]

saw some of the CN rogues play DS on the fight with CT on top, just for p2 damage. add DPS check seems to be the tightest

(on heroic)

[balmy condor]

CT probably reasonable on araz yeah

[old lily]

do we have a trinket tierliest

[shy dragon]

Well that is just oof 😛

[half tartan]

Got signet and pacemaker 1st 9s

[normal jungle]

Hello there, any idea of the token order to take ?

[brazen ivy]

Hey guys - would it be ok to craft a MH dagger and put the ascendance embelishment on it? Like it will function the same way as the OH does?

[balmy condor]

Yes it’s the same buff, it buffs

[brazen ivy]

ok thanks sir

[balmy condor]

Ideally the order that gives you 4piece

[balmy condor]

Yeah so you wait until you raid

And then take the one you don’t get

The order that gives you 4 piece

[normal jungle]

That's realy good idea sir, thx a lot

[rotund oak]

should stop watching eveyr little random dude u group up and focus on ur duties/have fun

some keys fail others not

also u need to undergo a pirate exorcism

pirate too strong in u

[haughty flicker]

smh dude did a key as assa and wasnt 2m overall higher than the next person

mods cut his balls off and send him back to outlaw

[rotund oak]

i think we should just ban the details spaming

my rage is boiling

wanna go green and start smashing stuff

no one cares

[maiden sierra]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1404831391778078741/assa.webp

[tight oracle]

what should the dps look like for keys i was doing 3m in a 3 and the healer was like no dps and left

[humble verge]

we love flood

[haughty flicker]

based healer

[tight oracle]

LOL

[balmy condor]

Are you like 650 ilvl

[maiden sierra]

honestly, after crafting dagger and hitting 9mil dps overall in every dungeon, im starting to think the frost dks were right

[tight oracle]

680 D:

[haughty flicker]

hm

[balmy condor]

Hm

[maiden sierra]

hm

[main bridge]

680 in s3??

[haughty flicker]

there might be an issue or two then

[rotund oak]

hmm

also a 3rd

[balmy condor]

Starting to think the healer was right

[tight oracle]

no set pieces

[vague dagger]

!MACRO

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[vestal granite]

!talents

!tree

[tight oracle]

so i should be blasting like 8m

[rotund oak]

thats MH flexing right there

[vestal granite]

!Raid

[balmy condor]

I mean without tier and 680 maybe not 8mil

But like 5 should be reasonably easy

[swift escarp]

!poisons

[main bridge]

unless you have logs this is all speculation really

[balmy condor]

Why are we just slamming random !commands

Can we not just ask questions like normal people

What is happening

[main bridge]

too lazy to read guides

[naive crescent]

!whispyr

[rotund oak]

8mil cant be achieved easily without gear,myth track wpn isnt enough

[balmy condor]

!chatgpt

[nova aspen]

!whispyr'sfeetpics

[rotund oak]

im 687 and im doing 6.5-ish

[vestal granite]

they arent random though :^)

[haughty flicker]

!whispyr

[tight oracle]

i ahve raid logs of doing like less than 1m T_T

[balmy condor]

!readmymind

[balmy condor]

From last expansion?

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dance-cat-dance-gif-20491618

[tight oracle]

oof

[lean topaz]

do we delay our 2nd shiv with 2set fatebound during kingsbane

[rotund oak]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[balmy condor]

I mean just being honest you are fucking it up real hard if you’re doin <1mil

[rotund oak]

wowhead

[balmy condor]

Either that or you’re dead

[rotund oak]

or like he is playing with 0 fps and lags 95% of the time

as in,cavenet

[balmy condor]

Yeah true

[humble ginkgo]

the dungeons are dungeoning rn

[balmy condor]

Skip is the chosen one

Holy

[rotund oak]

an outlaw cant be

[candid nacelle]

hey all
anyone have a weakaura for mob count?

[humble ginkgo]

and i managed to get a dagger in 2 runs

last tier i had to farm 30+ keys for a dagger

[humble ginkgo]

havent played outlaw in 2 expansions brother

[rotund oak]

channels/roles

[rustic bison]

Can someone help me with a macro please?

[rotund oak]

be free from that colour

[tight oracle]

ok, no i was avg about 1.5 for raid last night

[humble ginkgo]

lmao

[rustic bison]

Trying to use my Deathmark with a trinket:

#showtooltip
/cast Deathmark
/use 13

That doesn't use it at the same time.

[humble verge]

@balmy condor you think this is still viable over 691 champ signet

🤨

[balmy condor]

Would have to see some logs but I can only assume the worst tbh

[balmy condor]

Yes ofc

Have you simmed it

[humble ginkgo]

is trickster even worth playing on any boss outside of like the pure st one

[humble verge]

no i havent yet

im still doing dungs

[humble ginkgo]

i dont have tierset yet so maybe it is that much better with tier

[humble verge]

one last before raid

[humble ginkgo]

but ds is pumping

[rotund oak]

we need you,you are too young to have an aneurysm

[humble ginkgo]

thats with 4pc?

im just gonna keep playing ds until i get 4pc tbh

[balmy condor]

Ye but it’s the same thing without

[humble ginkgo]

more comfy

[balmy condor]

Just slightly worse

[humble ginkgo]

but i have lily for when i swap to fatebound

[rustic bison]

Anyone?

[tight oracle]

did you try 12?

[humble ginkgo]

its 13 or 14

for trinkets

[rustic bison]

top trinket spot is 13, right?

[waxen oyster]

probably pressed it mid global

[rustic bison]

I just changed it to the name. lol

[coral ibex]

mfw

[humble ginkgo]

yes

[waxen oyster]

People who put their on use on 14

need help

[humble ginkgo]

btw do u just macro CB to kingsbane

[main bridge]

for FB yes

[humble ginkgo]

kk

[deft shard]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[rustic bison]

That or the name doesn't work.

I should just have to press Deathmark once for it to use both at the same tim?

[balmy condor]

What trinket is it that you’re trying to cast

[rustic bison]

[Araz's Ritual Forge]

[cinder steppe]

The first craft should be main hand right?

[balmy condor]

Yeah that should just work

[balmy condor]

Are you doing the first two bosses on mythic

[marble hemlock]

oh i meant dimensius

[cinder steppe]

nop maybe only first but not second

[marble hemlock]

was surprised to see them playing CT

[balmy condor]

Oh hell nah

[balmy condor]

Then yes, craft a dagger

[ivory ice]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[ocean quiver]

With the new raid build. when do we press cold blood?

[ivory ice]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[candid nacelle]

anyone have a wa like this but updated?
https://wago.io/NyFFoF1mQ

[ocean quiver]

never played fatebound before

[dense cedar]

With Kingsbane, can macro it

[ocean quiver]

kk sweet ty

[cinder steppe]

okay thanks love you

[tight oracle]

whats the best way to post logs

start a thread?

[cinder steppe]

and embellisment ascendance but stats crit/mast or maybe versa/mast in case of dual speccing sub?

[hollow pulsar]

hey guys, quick question wich one is better?

[dense cedar]

u can sim it

[hollow pulsar]

already have this one

[onyx scroll]

[hollow pulsar]

i did, but it says egg make me lose dps

[dense cedar]

there u go then

[balmy condor]

sounds like you know which one is better

[gray hazel]

What fatebound coin WAs do you guys use? the ones ive seen only track the one coin and bricks when lucky coin is out

[hollow pulsar]

im a little confused rn x)

[balmy condor]

what's confusing

you simmed it, and it gave you the answer

[dense cedar]

could just steal the one from whispyrs set

[golden loom]

I like how every tier piece for me is +13% for fatebound cause it gives 2 set

[main bridge]

why do you need a coin WA?

[gray hazel]

thats a good idea

[haughty flicker]

dopamine

[gray hazel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[hollow pulsar]

how can be prio trinket better than egg i cant understand it :v

[ocean quiver]

The kingsbane macro does not work with coldblood? is it it working as intended, I press it and my kb doesn't crit, I thought it's supposed to?

[balmy condor]

because it does more damage? egg isn't good

[balmy condor]

kingsbane is a dot, so it wouldn't work with cold blood in the first place, but have you read what cold blood does on fatebound

it's a core part of the hero talent

[ocean quiver]

I have not, but I will, thanks

[main blaze]

Its in the macro text as well.

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[hollow pulsar]

hmm so should i upgrade seaforium?

[dry shoal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ocean quiver]

gotcha ty

[balmy condor]

you.... can sim that

[dense cedar]

you can sim what an upgraded version would be like for you

[hollow pulsar]

i did, egg gives more mdg

[main bridge]

guys i'm confused should they sim

[tight oracle]

LOL geez

[stark matrix]

The short answer is no

Why waste the crests

[hollow pulsar]

thanks

[gritty laurel]

the long answer is also no, i'm guessing?

[stark matrix]

When you can farm gear and upgrade for free

[dense cedar]

did you sim with your actual resources or did u max all

[hollow pulsar]

maxed both of them

[balmy condor]

so what's happening here is when you upgrade the pacemaker, your crit is probably going above your mastery and then fucking over your signet stat

but yes

that seems about right

[stark matrix]

The long answer is yes upgrade whatever gives you the best results but be smart with your resources

[balmy condor]

this is why we sim

[dense cedar]

then until u can actually do that dw about it

[balmy condor]

👍

[cosmic hearth]

quick question, obv new to rogue - when I attack from stealth, after first ambush, do I still use ambush to build CP or I should use mutilate?

[hollow pulsar]

okay thanks guys love u so much ❤️

[gritty laurel]

put mutilate on your non-stealth bar and ambush on your stealth bar and you'll be set

[tiny pollen]

For raid is better Fatebound?

[gritty laurel]

as for what you should use to build combo points, depends on target count

[prime isle]

hey guys. are you using wowhead for m+ bleed rotation?

[stark matrix]

If you’re both lucky with drops and dedicated to farming this week and next week you’re done with runed crests within 3 weeks max

[balmy condor]

yes

[cedar elm]

are we suppose to use clear the witness proc in st

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

depends on the build

[desert vault]

Fatebound just wants ALL the crti doesn't it? I have the Forge and Seaform is highest simming from dungeons, the Weave is actually a DPS loss ... weird

[dry shoal]

Is weapon grip bis for m+ or just 2x dusk?

[balmy condor]

neither

[balmy condor]

no

[stark matrix]

Ds also likes crit tbh

[unreal fern]

Do you macro vanish with coldblood and kb?

[gritty laurel]

sin just likes all the stats

[stark matrix]

Just probably more a spec thing and where we’re at with general stat accumulation

[balmy condor]

you can but once you get 4pc you shouldn't

[desert vault]

I was just shocked at all how much all my sims point to crit stuff over anything else, I'm at 30% so guess maybe a little low I dunno

[main bridge]

you do not have to worry about stats in 2025

[balmy condor]

crit is good stat

[stark matrix]

Just follow robot man fr

[dense cedar]

crit makes number big on screen

very good

[frigid pilot]

every1 crafted MH right?

[stark matrix]

Robot man wants to see you succeed

[frigid pilot]

no use crafting anythin else

[stark matrix]

Also so far this raid is a banger

[lean topaz]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[sick garnet]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[humble verge]

i didnt even realize at first this was Erling

i wonder

how long would it take me to learn FB cds @balmy condor

maybe im too braindead for it

[cosmic hearth]

thanks

[humble verge]

played too much DS

[haughty flicker]

press cds on cd

fb learned

[humble verge]

real...

[balmy condor]

3, maybe 5 seconds

maybe about as long as it took you to ping me about it

[faint tapir]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stark matrix]

Fb seems like it’s mostly just a slight change in opener and everything else is the same

[viral spire]

!bleed

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +20's or higher, you should play bleed
3. Even if you're doing higher, you should probably play bleed
4. No, Fatebound is not good, you play Deathstalker in every key.

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• 11.2/Season 3: Bleed has gotten stronger through some buffs and the single target damage you get from singular focus is ridiculously good with the tier set. During PTR testing many high end rogues were just playing bleed everywhere.
• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave build is mainly for boss damage (note: not prio, there is no significant difference in prio). Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and some bosses during season 2 were not possible on high keys otherwise. It remains to be seen what push keys in Season 3 will bring in that regard.
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal. Rookery is not in the rotation in Season 3, and there are a lot of AoE dungeons. Dawnbreaker might be a candidate, but unsure currently.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead outside of low target cleave and higher target AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage. At the end of the day, the builds are extremely similar, but Bleed is looking to simply be the best.

[hexed frost]

We're hitting new levels of demisemaxxing never seen before

92% uptime on a +4 eco

nasty stuff

[latent escarp]

I'm doing my part!

[hexed frost]

Bruh

[ionic kelp]

with fatebound 4p how do we use shivs? 2 with opener, 1 with next kb, 2 with dm+kb and repeat?

[humble verge]

oh

i dont need to care about

1,5min trinket

until im 4p

@balmy condor you know that list of what talents you wanna go for each boss - where did u have that on the guide

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/manaforge-omega-raid-tips

[ionic kelp]

tyvm king

[humble verge]

danke

so basically

5 FB bosses

[reef lotus]

does our rotation changing in any way after obtaining 4p?

[humble verge]

kinda crazy

no

just your CDs

[balmy condor]

just the shiv thing that was just mentioned

[humble verge]

but why are we not doing ambush out of stealth tho

[ocean quiver]

Do we play fatebound the same way as raid last season? like do we have to send full combopoint envenoms always to get more stacks on the buff, or do we just send it at 5+?

[balmy condor]

there's no reason to go max combo points on fatebound

[frigid lagoon]

is sin st in m+ talents incredibly low or am i terrible

[main bridge]

why not both

[tight oracle]

is there anyone that can help me with logs

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

yep

[tight oracle]

do i dm you ?

[humble verge]

no just post them

he will make a thread

[tight oracle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mPtkH386TWq2nxpj?fight=2&type=damage-done&source=13

[humble verge]

4am 🔥

[tight oracle]

im on pst

[thorn fjord]

QQ for my KB Macro should CB be before or after KB in the macro line?

[crisp fractal]

are you guys sticking assassination in raid or hitting up sub/outlaw?

[balmy condor]

doesn't matter

[thorn fjord]

KB doesnt consume the CB?

[balmy condor]

read talents

[frigid pilot]

melee dont read

thats why theyre in this discord

[past marten]

To not read

[thorn fjord]

But i have to read here

[primal olive]

If I have 2p can I use the talents tailored for ‘with tier’?

Or should I stick to the death stalker build

[balmy condor]

what does that mean

[primal olive]

There’s a build for if you have tier, the fatebound one, if I have 2 piece tier do I still use deathstalker or can I swap to fatebound?

[humble verge]

this is correct macro

right or am iw rong

[balmy condor]

fatebound doesn't change talents for the tier?

[viscid spear]

[uneven relic]

is it worth getting 2 set ASAP using catalyst if hero track gear?

[balmy condor]

you can play fatebound fine as is

[frigid pilot]

wish they buff cleave/aoe fatebound

[balmy condor]

depending on your raids loot council, yes

[frigid pilot]

i hate DS

fuck managing that dumbass debuff

on last boss

[primal olive]

Okay thank you, the icyveins guide recommends a deathstalker build if you have no tier

[indigo mulch]

I'm not allowed to touch my vault 🙁

[humble verge]

uh

[indigo mulch]

[humble verge]

my macro didnt owrk

[past marten]

Am I allowed to touch your tralala?

[humble verge]

[indigo mulch]

yes

Inc gooning session.

[balmy condor]

yeh idk what @marble hemlock was cooking with that

[frigid pilot]

seliathan is a pumper he'd never betray us

[half tartan]

Is fatebound objectively and practically better then Deathstalker on all ST fights, I know that before this tier it was simbait, have 4 set.