assassination

[runic hinge]

no it only takes 4 delves and they can be level 1

[twilit cargo]

surely it makes a diff in a bleed build

on a chainpull

[rotund oak]

because when u press meld there is a certain time in which u get ''out of combat'' as in u are in a stealth ''stance''.This requires you to stand still else meld breaks.But going out of combat is very unreliable because u can get hit by random stuff which automatically breaks ur stealth and puts u in combat,or even range agro mobs u dont even hit

in short shadowmeld is unreliable but can happen

[twilit cargo]

hmm so its worth trying and hoping it works

if not its w.e

[rotund oak]

u can always try its just unreliable

and it literally makes little to no difference

and even if u get out of combat

dont forget to press stealth to actually go into stealth

else meld breaks,and u dont gain stealth

[waxen oyster]

most people are too spoiled by modern vanish

[brittle shuttle]

It works pretty reliably if you walk out of the pull or to the side while tank is chaining into next pack in my opinion. Definitely is janky but seems like more distance between you and the mobs makes it work more often.

[waxen oyster]

which has protections against being unstealthed

instantly

[rotund oak]

most ppl think rogue is DH or Warrior or Hunter 😛

rude awakening^^

[twilit cargo]

ye i also had this feeling

[rotund oak]

feelings vs combat experience

👌

[waxen oyster]

You probably gain more damage from orc racials

than you do from a meld re

[brittle shuttle]

I got the feel from combat experience from pushing over 3800 and running hundreds of keys this season lol

[waxen oyster]

If you meld then ticking aoe occurs you will get pulled out

[twilit cargo]

i mean meld gives u stealth if suceeded which gives you an option to spread your bleeds on a new pull (vhainpull)

[brittle shuttle]

Also as long as you get the actual stealth off after the meld you get the carnage, doesn’t really matter if u get pulled out of stealth instantly

[waxen oyster]

or move an inch then meld will break

[twilit cargo]

ye

[royal lantern]

not really

[twilit cargo]

thats what i mean

[waxen oyster]

You have 2 vanishes already

it covers most of what you need

[twilit cargo]

if u had a prolonged pull

u wont have 1

[rotund oak]

yes what about it

why is that

u double vanish?

[brittle shuttle]

Extra vanish charge gives you one more vanish over key, extra button to press (meld) would double it. If it works every time it is a massive difference lol

[royal lantern]

how are your pulls where important stuff is alive for THAT long that you need over 40seconds of dots lol

[grim jay]

Yey, full circle dented fotm meld discussion

Preseason never disappoints

[twilit cargo]

im talking abt + 19 keys and above

[rotund oak]

3.8 seasonal feelings yo

[royal lantern]

?

thats just ravenholdt, nothing to do with preseason

[twilit cargo]

thete are so e moments

[waxen oyster]

people act like you cant spread dots without IC

[spice surge]

Yes but it definitely does not work everytime

[grim jay]

But its more frequent

[royal lantern]

thats not a thing in +19 keys aswell, if important adds are alive for THAT long, you are fucked allready cus the group does no dmg lol

[spice surge]

It never works on bosses and its very janky on mobs

[brittle shuttle]

I agree but several people are saying it doesn’t matter at all, and it definitely does work some of the time

[rotund oak]

there is a pattern most likely associated with pirates

[royal lantern]

even IF it would work everytime its no "massive difference", the math was done

its no big deal

[twilit cargo]

what if its a chainpull back to back

[royal lantern]

people LOVE to think meld is this giga strong thing

[waxen oyster]

You’d gain more playing orc and just have more juiced cds

[royal lantern]

when it just isnt really

its a racial

[waxen oyster]

honestly

[grim jay]

I already suggested giving them their own Server at some point.

[royal lantern]

assa loves back to back chainpulls

[twilit cargo]

how

[wicked carbon]

wait what

[twilit cargo]

😭

[rotund oak]

at this point ild vouch

[waxen oyster]

Because you have ruptures already rolling for energy

[royal lantern]

.........you realise how assa gets energy right?

you dont need to spread dots when you allready have dots running from a old pack

[twilit cargo]

yes but how is a chainpull betzer than resteslth into pull

[royal lantern]

s+üpdgowasperiüghgioßpwqrq

[spice surge]

The main benefit from stealth is spreading bleeds, if you chainpull when mobs are up you already have bleeds up

[wicked carbon]

Except old pack will die fast and you will be out of scent of blood stacks

Energy is a no problem when you stealth in AOE

[waxen oyster]

thats not a chain pull

[twilit cargo]

this

[waxen oyster]

thats called bad tanking

[royal lantern]

thats no chainpull

thats a shit tank

[twilit cargo]

well thats most chainpulls

[bronze pike]

This

[twilit cargo]

of shit tanks

[wicked carbon]

What's a chain pull then

[bronze pike]

Most tanks are shit tanks

[wicked carbon]

Cause in my book is pack 1 gets low, I get pack 2

[rotund oak]

based

also hi

[royal lantern]

there is a difference bettwen 40% low and 5% low

[waxen oyster]

No you get pack 2 when pack 1 is still like half

[bronze pike]

Hi sap

[royal lantern]

40% when important targets are down is a chain pull, 5% is a single pack pull done by a dumb FotM Veng DH

[bronze pike]

Chain pulling is when you grab another pack when pack one is at 40ish %

[wicked carbon]

Even if that's the case it's still bad. Energy is not a problem in AoE from stealth

You'll just have less bleed

[rotund oak]

watch out for scent stacks

keep ct up

and spatter

[waxen oyster]

People really act like you cant spread dots

without IC

[royal lantern]

yeha

its kinda insane at this point lol

[wicked carbon]

You can and I often do but it's a dps loss

Maybe not in sims

[spice surge]

Ofc its not a dps loss lmao

[wicked carbon]

But in practice unless you have flawless target swapping

it is

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/dungeong-gif-3654754744145897317

[royal lantern]

somehow stuff is alive for that long that they need double vanish + meld or otherwhise their dots run out

But also stuff dies to fast in "chain pulls" for manual dotting

like

[waxen oyster]

People dont know what setup globals are

[royal lantern]

make up your mind

[waxen oyster]

huh

[twilit cargo]

u can spread anything but garrote no?

u can upkeep garrote on 3 targets

without ic

[royal lantern]

"your normal gameplay is a dps loss" is a bold take

[waxen oyster]

You dont care about non stealth garrote

on more than 1 target

[twilit cargo]

yes

[wicked carbon]

That's definitely not my normal gameplay. Even in high keys I rarely have to manually spread dots

[twilit cargo]

which leaves rupture

[royal lantern]

so whats the problem then??

[waxen oyster]

BIG

[wicked carbon]

Because I start packs from stealth

If tank starts chainpulling it's another story

[royal lantern]

ill give up

[wicked carbon]

You only have so many vanish

[royal lantern]

cant win

[radiant raven]

do you have the paladin bonk one

[royal lantern]

go and complain about stealth on reddit or smth like that

idk

cba anymore

[wicked carbon]

No complaint here

[royal lantern]

its so draining

every day the same dance

and its all based on "but i THINK so and you all are wrong"

its insane

[wicked carbon]

Nah

I'm fine with things

[twilit cargo]

this is outside of stealth

https://tenor.com/view/trump-fries-french-fries-put-the-fries-in-the-bag-donald-trump-gif-2636137636533729521

[wicked carbon]

but saying that chain pulls is a dps gain is wild

[grim jay]

Well it is

[royal lantern]

im really trying to not be insulting at this point

[plain wind]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[grim jay]

Doesnt matter if you think so

Tbh

[royal lantern]

but sorry but thinking chaining is BAD for you

[grim jay]

[wise socket]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[royal lantern]

is insanely dumb

like, incredibly dumb

[clever sparrow]

does fatebound ST build out damage Deathstalker with last season tier sets?

[royal lantern]

pulling faster is literally the best way to get more dmg in a dungeon

for the entire group

[waxen oyster]

No

Also stop playing with shit tanks that “chain” at 5% mobs

[wicked carbon]

You're aware that the highest ranked Rogues in m+ coordinate with their tank for their vanish for chainpulls right ?

[radiant raven]

Darn 🙁

[wicked carbon]

I literally always see Casual communicating his vanish

and if he doesn't have tank doesnt chain

[royal lantern]

literally EVERYONE coordinates with their tank in high keys jesus fucking christ

thats no rogue thing

thats literally how high level gameplay works

[wicked carbon]

Coordinating for vanish is a rogue thing

[royal lantern]

you play around CD's and your groups strenghts

[grim jay]

Coordinating for CDs isnt

[royal lantern]

they dont coordinate for fucking vanish lol

[wicked carbon]

Yeah they do

tank will literally say can I chain pull and casual will say yes I have vanish it's fine

[waxen oyster]

ping the guy himself

[royal lantern]

the rogue coordination in high keys with assa is "you use deathmark on the big enemy to delete it while the other 2 guys do aoe blasting" lol

[waxen oyster]

and ask

[royal lantern]

not "vanish and spread garrote" lmao

[rotund oak]

kinda,but ask the robot

if u ditch the old tset coz higher ilvl most likely

[cinder dock]

hey guys where can i find bleed maintain plater?

[rotund oak]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[rotund oak]

yoink whispyr's got everything

[arctic bear]

guys, might be a stupid question but im kinda new to wow, does bleed build benefit more from warriors buff than other builds since its more physical damage?

[hearty seal]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[main bridge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[main bridge]

there's some spreadsheet somewhere showing the benefits from buffs for each spec

not sure what the command is though

[spice surge]

Warriors buff all rogue builds by 5%

Monks debuff buffs bleed build slightly more than the more magic heavy ones yes, but bleed build is still a lot of magic

[arctic bear]

alright

[spice surge]

Warriors shout makes all of your damage go up by 5%

As it increases your agility by that much

[main bridge]

the biggest buff is shaman IIRC

[spice surge]

Nah warrior is more

But shaman is in second

[arctic bear]

im planning on playing keys with monk tank+fury+ele sham so was trying to figure out if either of the assa builds is better with that comp

[spice surge]

Shaman slightly less important without KB

[spice surge]

You play bleed build regardless

[arctic bear]

oh rly

[main bridge]

ya in S3 bleed build is king

[arctic bear]

even further in t he season on higher keys

[main bridge]

it got big buffs

[arctic bear]

alr

[velvet mural]

is there a bored eu sigma capable of doing 5 mask horrific vision willing to get me (mini sigma) through it

[cerulean karma]

Do we farm Lily or Araz?

Lily shows a better on sim

[grim jay]

Then you should farm lily

[balmy condor]

How does one farm araz

I wish to learn that

[cerulean karma]

Well yeah but I'm simple and look at Wowhead where they say get Araz

[grim jay]

Farm Gold to buy a gear trade run

[noble ridge]

Very carefully

[grim jay]

[cerulean karma]

You go raid, kill boss, pray

[noble ridge]

[balmy condor]

I guess that’s a farm, sure

[cerulean karma]

Same way you farm mythic Lily

[balmy condor]

But yes, araz is much better for deathstalker

[cerulean karma]

And for Fatebound I assume Lily then

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

Fatebound requires a 1:30, which araz is not

So ye

[cerulean karma]

Check. thanks

[misty holly]

can chatgpt do quick summaries of youtube videos? 3:33:30 is wild.

[swift escarp]

Is Death Stalker still better even after the changes?

[cerulean karma]

You can ask

[normal mist]

I can give you an even better option @misty holly

[balmy condor]

That’s what timestamps are for

[normal mist]

Read the wowhead guide

[balmy condor]

In what situation

[swift escarp]

raid st or cleave

[balmy condor]

Fatebound is better

[swift escarp]

nice thanks

[vestal radish]

some of those WA that you guys are posting does not have a "copy import string"

[hexed root]

Fatebound better st, pretty sure death stalker still better cleave

[swift escarp]

is the rotation the same for both?

[normal mist]

Kinda yes but no

Opener is different

[cinder dock]

the plater doesnt show caustic spatter or crimson tempest bleed is it normal?

[swift escarp]

I'll check the guide

[normal mist]

Crimson yes

Caustic no

[empty tide]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cinder dock]

was that for mee?

the answer

[normal mist]

Yes

[cinder dock]

hmm i can t see my mark after ambush and no caustic spatter :/

but it says in the description

[normal mist]

Caustic is shown on plater iirc, crimson nop. Altought tbf you just need to mutilate a target

[cinder dock]

yeah i get it but i m new to assasination i want to see it

[clever sparrow]

let me solo her possible? 680

[spice surge]

Yes

Obviously way easier the more gear you have as the fight gets shorter

[clever sparrow]

just did the ? dificulty

[cinder dock]

does anyone have a good plater for bleed maintaining i think the !wa platers are out of date

[mossy sundial]

Does fatebound fall off at 2 or 3 target cleave? I remember whyspy saying it in the video just not what the count was

[clever sparrow]

the main prob is i dont have gold for repairs anymore xd

[maiden sierra]

10 rogues and loot council corruptions and bribes

[quasi ledge]

Why is FB a 1:30 min spec and DS 2:00 min? I cant find any talent that says that

[maiden sierra]

tier set

[muted nebula]

!build

[normal mist]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +20's or higher, you should play bleed
3. Even if you're doing higher, you should probably play bleed
4. No, Fatebound is not good, you play Deathstalker in every key.

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• 11.2/Season 3: Bleed has gotten stronger through some buffs and the single target damage you get from singular focus is ridiculously good with the tier set. During PTR testing many high end rogues were just playing bleed everywhere.
• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave build is mainly for boss damage (note: not prio, there is no significant difference in prio). Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and some bosses during season 2 were not possible on high keys otherwise. It remains to be seen what push keys in Season 3 will bring in that regard.
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal. Rookery is not in the rotation in Season 3, and there are a lot of AoE dungeons. Dawnbreaker might be a candidate, but unsure currently.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead outside of low target cleave and higher target AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage. At the end of the day, the builds are extremely similar, but Bleed is looking to simply be the best.

[muted nebula]

!bleed

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +20's or higher, you should play bleed
3. Even if you're doing higher, you should probably play bleed
4. No, Fatebound is not good, you play Deathstalker in every key.

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• 11.2/Season 3: Bleed has gotten stronger through some buffs and the single target damage you get from singular focus is ridiculously good with the tier set. During PTR testing many high end rogues were just playing bleed everywhere.
• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave build is mainly for boss damage (note: not prio, there is no significant difference in prio). Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and some bosses during season 2 were not possible on high keys otherwise. It remains to be seen what push keys in Season 3 will bring in that regard.
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal. Rookery is not in the rotation in Season 3, and there are a lot of AoE dungeons. Dawnbreaker might be a candidate, but unsure currently.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead outside of low target cleave and higher target AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage. At the end of the day, the builds are extremely similar, but Bleed is looking to simply be the best.

[balmy condor]

I just updated mine a couple hours ago

[balmy condor]

True

[cinder dock]

I m adding Deathmark and Caustic Spatter manually atm @balmy condor

[muted nebula]

guys did the bleed build changed from last season or its same ?

[cinder dock]

do you have an updated link? @balmy condor

[maiden sierra]

did bro just ping him twice

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[balmy condor]

Bottom link

[balmy condor]

The same

[cinder dock]

when did u update it? i added it a 30 minutes ago or smt @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Last night

[cinder dock]

Or do i miss smt? Its important to track Deathstalker's Mark and Caustic Spatter no? I already realized your plater turns red for Crimson

do i miss smt for the mark or spatter?

[balmy condor]

Caustic recolors the nameplate

[cinder dock]

when the purple aura is shown?

[balmy condor]

White is just mark, green is just spatter, and then it’s brown for both

[distant fog]

Brown spatter

[sly yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/the-wekkeeend-gif-6519160079090510663

[limber dew]

I'll have to give your plater a go @balmy condor ❤️

[distant fog]

https://tenor.com/view/tay-zonday-chocolate-rain-mic-breathe-in-gif-14116904314126955256

[half dawn]

portals not resetting CD when finishing m0 is a real scam

[distant fog]

Doesnt count as a mythic ig but ye

Maybe what gives cd is the timer stopping

Means hardmode taz might not reset kappa

[balmy condor]

I go over where to edit all the things about it in my video as well, last timestamp

[maiden sierra]

there are no timestamps

liar

[balmy condor]

Fuck you mean

There’s like 45

[normal mist]

My gf when I was telling her about the video: "I wish any good hunter guide writer would do that, we can't have nice things"

[cinder dock]

sorry for spamming your bro i really like your plater but i just don't get where i can see the deathstalker's mark. Can you visit my twitch stream really quick? XD @balmy condor

[maiden sierra]

none on my screen

[normal mist]

Skill issue

[balmy condor]

It changes the color of the nameplate

[clever sparrow]

quick question
on hybrid build we hold our shiv until the remaining duration of DM + KB on 7 sec and then we throw shiv?

[maiden sierra]

oh wait

the timestamps are in the description

not on the vid bar

[clever sparrow]

or we just smash all together (DM -> KB -> SHIV)?

[cinder dock]

It doesnt change at all 😄 it stays white with all bleedings or am i tripping @balmy condor

[normal mist]

They are in the video bar too

I swear I'm not crazy

[maiden sierra]

my shit broky

[bronze pike]

In honor of that guy who thinks chain pulling is bad

I will do nothing but chain pull badly

In all of my m0s when I get home from work

You did this random dude, you’ve made me into a terrorist

[spice surge]

I didnt see them in the videobar either but theyre in the description as well

[placid adder]

Did you hit ambush

[spice surge]

Probably youtube being a silly goose as per usual

[balmy condor]

there were in the video bar earlier

[cinder dock]

yes

[normal mist]

Can you screenshot it?

[cinder dock]

can i post twitch link really quick if you don t mind

delete it afterwards lol

[normal mist]

No

:C

[cinder dock]

ok

[placid adder]

Snippet

lol

[maiden sierra]

i swear this guy is trolling or ragebaiting

[balmy condor]

bro how is clipping your twitch easier than hitting printscreen lmao

[lyric nebula]

yoyo, do we play fatebound in Raid st, even without the new tierset ? Or r we swithcing to fatebound as soon as wwe have new 2set?

[balmy condor]

yes

before

now

sim yourself

[placid adder]

He did just join today

[lyric nebula]

thx ❤️

[maiden sierra]

very susy

[minor gate]

so i hear fatebound is good this season

https://tenor.com/view/two-face-coin-batman-harvey-gif-18731309

[hexed root]

Not everyone is always trying to troll/rage bait.

[normal mist]

It was good last season too

[waxen oyster]

Playing fatebound without guaranteed lucky coin sounds so troll.

[humble verge]

im still farming undercoin

[normal mist]

In pure ST fights

[humble verge]

[maiden sierra]

he pinged whispyr 5 times in a row instead of using the reply feature, while using the reply feature while speaking to other people, while really trying to post his twitch link

[main bridge]

totally normal behavior

[hexed root]

The reply thing is weird, didn't see those.

[limber dew]

Already added to my watch later Iist. I will have to find time to not only watch it digest it. It's very detailed 💪

[hexed root]

Idk neurodivergency is a bitch

[balmy condor]

I saw them when I uploaded, refreshed and the went away, opened the video from my channel directly, now they're back

what the hell is youtube

[maiden sierra]

[maiden sierra]

YOU DID IT!

[obtuse valley]

3 hrs

bro giga cooked

[balmy condor]

I didn't do anything

[maiden sierra]

nono. its the mother effect, when you cant find something in the fridge and then your mom tells you its there and finds it for you

just checking for them made them manifest

[normal mist]

REAL

[spice surge]

Ye that was my point with my comment, it probably was nothing you did, just youtube being wonky

[balmy condor]

mother whispyr looking for the timestamps

[red schooner]

So, how long did the giga sim take to run?

[maiden sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/pretty-cat-pretty-girl-cat-dance-cat-girl-cat-wig-gif-11261174696631285231

[honest needle]

for solo delves do we use tank or healer for brann ?

cause my tank keeps dieing when i set him to tank

[maiden sierra]

Healer

Tank brand kept pulling for me while in stealth...

[distant fog]

Healer then tricks to him

Make him suffer

[broken lynx]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[half dawn]

3rd bos in ara kara 3rd wip

m0 is a classic

[raw marlin]

!gear

Y WE NO HAVE ONE LIKE SUB!

HUH

[misty holly]

Since I'll probably be crafting a dagger this week, do we know what embellishments to use for S3 yet?

[raw marlin]

pretty sure its whatever

[spice surge]

The embellishments are literally identical to last season

[woven slate]

With the fatebound pure ST build do we really go for 5cp envenoms afters kingsbane or always full since we have cold blood?

[spice surge]

Since embellishments aint scaling with the ilvl their impact is less than the previous seasons

Its still 550 stats from the linings, same as in s1

[supple ridge]

is fatebound 2-set still bugged?

[spice surge]

Still lower stats on average than the dragonflight s4 embellishments

[zenith coral]

whispyr the actual goat

6hrs late but thats okay

[vestal wren]

#subtlety message

[unique kraken]

are we going assa for next raid or not?

[raw marlin]

sub ST looking strong

[vestal geyser]

play whatever is enjoyable IMO

[vestal wren]

both assassiantion and subtlety look strong, so it probably will be on a "per boss" decision

[unique kraken]

aight cheers

[raw marlin]

the problem is apparently im so incapable of playing sub atm that it hurts my fucking head

[half dawn]

ist it playing dust?

[zenith coral]

dust isnt a thing anymorre

sadly

[vestal wren]

tbh, sin seems very confy

[half dawn]

ah im ootl on this shit with sub

[zenith coral]

ye sub still fun tho imo

[half dawn]

ehhhh

playing sub on last boss in DOTI was kinda cool

outlaw whole key and bam last boss getting that sub juicer out

but outside of that i didnt like the spec

[nimble tartan]

sub is fun when damage amp

like smolderon etc its just cool ahh

gonna force sin this tier…if adds are fake on some fights im playin sin on em

[half dawn]

assa related question, is the bleed build bad in ST like bosses in M+?

[nimble tartan]

ya

[half dawn]

im like 671 and my friend on 660 arcane is doing same dam as me on bosses and i was wondering if i was doing some fucked up shit

i think i still am but yeah ok good to know

[spice surge]

Pure St is bad

But you make up for it with funnel and huge aoe

[half dawn]

Add fights seem awkward to me as assa

cant get my head around how to play with adds

used to bladeflurry doing all the thinking for me

[vestal geyser]

@balmy condor maybe found a typo on your guide? not sure, but you have deathstalker marked as the ST raid build on the season 3 tab for your guide on wowhead

[balmy condor]

yeah the table is wrong, bunch of fixing coming in the next hour or so

[vestal geyser]

gotcha

[tranquil lynx]

how can i change the number of targets in dungeon slice sim

[balmy condor]

you can't

[tranquil lynx]

so i pick dungeon slice 1 boss and thats it?

[half dawn]

sim patchwerk but pulti target

[balmy condor]

do not do that

[keen spruce]

dungeon slice will grey out the boss selection thing

[half dawn]

put multi target*

[keen spruce]

I think

🤔

[balmy condor]

dungeonslice will change all the settings automatically

[fallow canopy]

But you fixed it (kinda)

[balmy condor]

yeah now instead of dogshit it's dogshit but simming almost correct

[hardy echo]

whispyr is it ok if I dm you about something real quick?

[fallow canopy]

Improvements

[balmy condor]

yes

[hardy echo]

thanks

[balmy condor]

bro @half dawn no

[half dawn]

😮

[balmy condor]

stop

lmao

[half dawn]

wait i didnt knwo simming this doesnt work anymore

is it borked?

[keen spruce]

8 target 5 min patchwerk

[balmy condor]

no, it works better than ever before

it's just not good to use

[honest needle]

is there a guide someone can link me or a video i dont understand how to do bleed build correctly with vanish cause we use vanish to get are bleeds out but then we also gotta do it on a big pull for MA ?

[balmy condor]

you use it for the bleeds, master assassination is just a bonus

[honest needle]

'i been trying to do it but i dont think im doing it right

o ok

[tranquil lynx]

whispyr i will send the dungeon slice here when its ready

[honest needle]

so we dont use it for increase dmg ona big pull after we alrdy have bleeds out

[balmy condor]

no

[tranquil lynx]

i managed to hit 9m dps on dummies

[balmy condor]

ok

[tranquil lynx]

with 1b dmg

[balmy condor]

I don't see the connection to the sim

[tranquil lynx]

to see if the sim comes close to 8 lets say

cuz i am low geared

[drifting cloud]

[hexed root]

whats low geared doing 9mil on dummies? lol

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna throw a fit

[hexed root]

what else is new?

[errant jacinth]

[balmy condor]

stop

fucking

simming

patchwerk

aoe

[tranquil lynx]

i sim dungeonslice

[balmy condor]

well then what the hell does that have to do with your dummies

[hexed root]

i sim everything and take the average

[vestal geyser]

I'll sim my patchwerk aoe and send you the results

[tranquil lynx]

will do that aswell

[balmy condor]

will do WHAT as well

[waxen oyster]

simming aoe is useless

[vestal geyser]

I tend to take patchwerk aoe sim as gospel

nothing matters more to me

[vestal wren]

did i hear 20 second 8-12 target simulations somewhere?

[hexed root]

i appreciate you fuu o7

[vestal wren]

(i am joking, but people did that in the past)

[distant fog]

50 mil

[drifting cloud]

stat weights for lvling

[balmy condor]

the past is now, people are still doing that

[vestal geyser]

yeah whispyr was sayiing that the best way to sim your character is to sim patchwek aoe i think

[distant fog]

@drifting cloud agi> all

Ilvl > all

[tranquil lynx]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sBqLFZFVMtdsxp1ZSm6dpY

how does it look like

[distant fog]

Just put on whatever gives most agi dmg or stam

[fallow canopy]

We need some bis lists for lvling along with that

[hexed root]

is there any reason droptimizer is saying new tier is a dps loss?

[distant fog]

And just send it

[balmy condor]

looks like a dungeonslice sim

[waxen oyster]

ugly mog

1/10

[distant fog]

Oh fuck

Its otka

[raw marlin]

yh id like to be good at sin and sub tbh

[tranquil lynx]

xD

[distant fog]

Hehehe

[raw marlin]

they are the 'rogue' specs imo

[distant fog]

Outlaw is the only “ rogue” spec

2nd amendment jutsu

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gun-shoot-ak47-war-gif-7990705687144326

[hexed root]

is droptimizer saying new tier is bad for anyone else?

[vestal geyser]

outlaw gives me carpal tunnel

[tranquil lynx]

this sim sequence is weird af

[distant fog]

Have you tried

[vestal geyser]

why would you droptomizer ahhh

[distant fog]

https://tenor.com/view/telmo-coca-harina-raquetaso-esnifar-gif-25660568

[balmy condor]

why is it weird

[fallow canopy]

Isn't droptimizer comparing each piece individually and never getting 2p 4p

[tranquil lynx]

am i just dumb or

[hexed root]

whats bad about droptimizer now? people always end up with "sim it" for upgrades lol

[vestal geyser]

droptomizer at this point of the patch is just silly

[hexed root]

that makes sense

[vestal geyser]

basically everything at this point is an upgrade

[hexed root]

guild wants a list, i provide the list

just interesting how it's showing tier.

[balmy condor]

I mean that looks fine to me, what's the issue

[distant fog]

@hexed root make sure to do a 20 second 12 target sim

For everything

[tranquil lynx]

and also the spatter is not the strongest ability for me

[distant fog]

And switch between sub and sin for highest gain

[hexed root]

I sim 10 seconds 5 targets, 15 seconds 10 targets, and 70 seconds 3 targets

then I take the average

[distant fog]

https://tenor.com/view/wayne's-world-wayne-thimbs-up-ok-well-done-gif-15694288732343736292

[hexed root]

[balmy condor]

that makes sense as well, yes

[tranquil lynx]

so i should vanish to use envenom?

and fan of knifes

[balmy condor]

what are you talking about

[vestal geyser]

yeah vanish for every envenom

[tranquil lynx]

i mean

[balmy condor]

yes, that's a boss

[vestal geyser]

and then use shadow dance

[balmy condor]

it's vanishing during cooldowns

and then getting improved garrote back up

what's the issue

[tranquil lynx]

rup rup ambush gar gar

or the other way around and ambush last?

[balmy condor]

it doesn't matter

you're getting bleeds, mark, and spatter

[tranquil lynx]

more cp for rup no?

[hexed root]

just stab them with your daggers

do big dam

zugzug

[harsh anchor]

Quick question, how many rogues do we all have

[tranquil lynx]

i have only 3

[balmy condor]

???

okay now you're losing me again

what do you mean more cp for rup

[hexed root]

im tempted to make another, i struggle to enjoy any other alt

[balmy condor]

it had combo points going into the pull

so it pressed rupture

it got combo points back from bone spike

cast another rupture

[worldly dock]

Guys hows the power called for the DISC belt?

[balmy condor]

then cast ambush

there's no overcapping going on in that image

[harsh anchor]

It was rhetorical tbh. I only have 1 rogue and half ass my alts for splits because I can’t bring myself to have the same effort as my main

[tranquil lynx]

okay then i will question myself of my stupidity and study

[hexed root]

the only second rogue I played on was to get that ulduar achievement, i don't know if it's still in the game where you had to be a specific ilvl. I don't want to log in because of the gear update lol

[marsh fjord]

@balmy condor after your video i had a qeustion,

When we get new tier set. and shiv duration is longer. you do still send it with DM or would you send before DM. this is ( bleed build) in m+

In aoe situation*

[balmy condor]

you can do either, that one gcd isn't impactful enough

as long as you have bleeds out and CT, you press shiv, gg

[marsh fjord]

Cool

Thank you good sir. i really enjoyed the video ❤️

[distant fog]

Dry shiv like dis

[tranquil lynx]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m7PhYo84Ro13aXQ1gqFGSS

how can i improve my spatter damage

[distant fog]

https://tenor.com/view/hachubby-hachu-stab-shiv-knife-gif-20465375

[balmy condor]

you maintain it 100% of the time, then spam envenom and only hit that target

that's all there is to it

[harsh anchor]

Pull more mobs

[tranquil lynx]

so 5< better for spatter

[balmy condor]

what

it just does aoe man

[distant fog]

What

Its blade flurry bro

Dont even think about it

A better flurry

[vestal geyser]

i dont understand this

more targets is more damage

[distant fog]

Soft capped

[hexed root]

i was reading that as more cp for envenom as more envenom damage = more spatter damage

[fervent willow]

maybe because the first multilate is used only after 23?

[hexed root]

i assume he was talking about combo point counter versus targets

[vestal geyser]

5< = less than 5

[distant fog]

< 5

The alligator eats the 5

5 the five eats the alligator

[jagged comet]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-gif-gif-3799483293319009427

[raw marlin]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +20's or higher, you should play bleed
3. Even if you're doing higher, you should probably play bleed
4. No, Fatebound is not good, you play Deathstalker in every key.

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• 11.2/Season 3: Bleed has gotten stronger through some buffs and the single target damage you get from singular focus is ridiculously good with the tier set. During PTR testing many high end rogues were just playing bleed everywhere.
• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave build is mainly for boss damage (note: not prio, there is no significant difference in prio). Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and some bosses during season 2 were not possible on high keys otherwise. It remains to be seen what push keys in Season 3 will bring in that regard.
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal. Rookery is not in the rotation in Season 3, and there are a lot of AoE dungeons. Dawnbreaker might be a candidate, but unsure currently.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead outside of low target cleave and higher target AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage. At the end of the day, the builds are extremely similar, but Bleed is looking to simply be the best.

[mint urchin]

Is CT worth casting in ST for bleed or is it still a loss to Envenom without the extra targets?

[raw marlin]

think its not worth a button press

but it feels weird to not have it hit lol so sometimes i just hit i

[hexed root]

do you even take the talent on ST?

[raw marlin]

for my OCD weakaura

[raw marlin]

m+ bosses

[hexed root]

ahh

[mint urchin]

You do for keys

[fallow canopy]

With bleed build you do use CT in ST

[normal mist]

Yes it is

@raw marlin smh

[hexed root]

@balmy condor me too man, me too

anyone that's watched this full video, there a good starting point for those that have only really ever played rogue? 58:45? intermediate?

[vestal wren]

ill just wait for the first one to ask gpt to summarize it

[hexed root]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[marsh fjord]

i was dissapointed tho that whispyr didnt shout me out in his video im like his fuck buddy in here

Got replaced by shindigg

[raw marlin]

everyone sucking shindiggs booty hole atm

wouldnt worry about it

[marsh fjord]

get me JPC back

[hexed root]

I miss jpc

[raw marlin]

all rogues abandoned rogue

is a rogue thing todo ngl

[vestal wren]

dratnos was once a rogue too

just fyi

[raw marlin]

yh we dont want him though

he is friends with tettles

sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

😄

[mint urchin]

Whysper asking the only real questions on why is it a meadery

[raw marlin]

nice guild name huh?

[hexed root]

chat gpt thinks we're in dragonflight lol

[raw marlin]

i tell chargpt sometimes

YOURE A FUCKING IDIOT

and it just works

after that

[tranquil lynx]

thats not the reason there are ambushes

[hexed root]

[vestal wren]

he is not wrong

[raw marlin]

what do we pool to

150?

[hexed root]

i should be playing more wow, not messing with chatgpt

[wooden radish]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-tabby-tongue-meow-gif-11230041

[raw marlin]

also someone explain pandemic to me, in game.. i just refresh at low out of habit but i have 0 idea if pandemic even does anything different lol

[hexed root]

[lean topaz]

Fucking clanker

[raw marlin]

my best mate is chatgpt tbh

[mint urchin]

Pandemic just adds the duration to the new application, it's more for ease of rotation then any dmg gain since snapshot is dead

[lean topaz]

Hhh

[raw marlin]

makes sense

[lean topaz]

Playful!?

[hexed root]

lmfao

[lean topaz]

Gonna make this clanker playfully drink water

[hexed root]

alright im done lmfao

[hexed root]

what was the prompt? lmao

[raw marlin]

which spec is the biggest chad

[hexed root]

lmao

alright now im done

[raw marlin]

based

[vestal wren]

think thats enough gpt for today

[distant fog]

Outclaw Chad

CHAD

CHAD DIFF

[raw marlin]

ngl chatgpt is a bully lmfao

[hexed root]

why is your chat gpt so aggro and zoomer lmfao

[raw marlin]

cause i asked it to be a chad

[distant fog]

OUR DPS IS A CHARITY CASE WTF

[hexed root]

jesus

[raw marlin]

peasants

[lean topaz]

Cloak of shadow as aoe tool

[hexed root]

what's it's name? Mines cipher

[distant fog]

WERE HIGHEST SIMMERS GG

[raw marlin]

James

[distant fog]

ill cyall on tetris boss

[vestal wren]

jokes on him, i don't play outlaw, so no roll the bones

[distant fog]

0 dmg rogyes

[vestal wren]

but he is right

i don't like to roll 1 buffs

[distant fog]

HAHAHAHA

[hexed root]

i wish

[raw marlin]

ohh whispyer updated didnt he

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[vestal wren]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[distant fog]

Bro chat gpt beefing with rogues gg

[raw marlin]

nah he beefing with you

[distant fog]

Nah he weak

Tell him to bless my rng for tier next week

[vestal wren]

true, assassiantion is the highest simmer

[distant fog]

Hey

[vestal wren]

ignore the 🔴 area, its some glitch in the matrix

[distant fog]

Why outlaw being spit on

[hexed root]

whats that little red spot?

[wanton remnant]

Hey guys so my action bars switch my buttons around when im out of stealth in stealth or using vanish. Im using bartender. Is there an option i can use to make it all the same?

[distant fog]

What is outlaw sim btw

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[distant fog]

0 buffs in raid my ass I PLAY KIR I ALWAYS GOT BUFFS

[hexed root]

I think we only have 3 bosses we're fatebound on right?

[raw marlin]

BRO CHATGPT started writing rap battles lol

[distant fog]

WHAT THE FUCK

[raw marlin]

bro that line

wanted a mage someone who could actually run

is he talking about piratesoftware

lmfao

[hexed root]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

ask it lul

[distant fog]

Peak phys

[raw marlin]

bro i told it to say sorry

[distant fog]

WHATS LAST LINE

[hexed root]

what a "chad" lul

[distant fog]

Vendetta

[raw marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-nice-well-done-approve-good-job-gif-17717709

[normal mist]

Agreed, let's move away from chatgpt stuff now

[distant fog]

Gotta go shop now

Need to make some kicmhis tew tonight

[stable apex]

!gear

[distant fog]

Chatgpt is da future

[stable apex]

dam sin slacking

[hexed root]

i wish i liked kimchi, my trainer wants some fermented food in my diet

[distant fog]

Soon ima ask it to make a sim instead of simc

[normal mist]

!sim

That's all you need

[stable apex]

check sub and law channels

goated

[distant fog]

@hexed root just pick any vinegar based food

[hexed root]

all nasty

[distant fog]

Cook it in a stew then

Tastes very different

[hexed root]

relying on yogurt drinks

[distant fog]

I grew up with kimchi so im chillin

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-yakult-milk-drink-spotted-gif-15955192855674557353

Try this

[hexed root]

stew is tasty, never knew stew to be fermented food though

[distant fog]

Kimchi stew is bis

Comfort food

[lean topaz]

True! Had it like few times a week when I lived in Seoul

[distant fog]

Ye see dat

Bis

[lean topaz]

Cold evening bis

[distant fog]

Army stew and cheap soju diff

[distant fog]

Disgusting

[hexed root]

It's something lol

[distant fog]

Kefir tastes like sour dog sht

[nova kelp]

I fucking love this stuff

[distant fog]

Yea grew up onit

My parents would freeze it and give it to me on a long car ride

[hexed root]

Any us stores carry it or gotta go to the Asian markets?

[distant fog]

My dumb ass would try to get it out faster entire ride

[hexed root]

Looks like a yogurt drink?

[distant fog]

Probiotic drink

Ye

Tastes good too

Kroger probably has it ?

Or amazon

[hexed root]

I try those probiotic sodas, horrible.

[distant fog]

Nawww fuck those taste like booty

Yakult only pro biotic drink that taste good

[hexed root]

I'll have to keep an eye out

[obtuse robin]

i take this as the kb bug is not fixed 😫

[tall jay]

Which area is the best to actually practice our rotation? Where it’s not so damn laggy? Stormwing/Org? or Somewhere else?

[hexed root]

Local grocers have it apparently

[distant fog]

Yea its famous for drinks

[tranquil lynx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZXEXxFABJM
i'll bring my popcorn and enjoy the show.

[cunning cloak]

jfc whispy, i have to watch a 3 1/2 hour video now...

[modern forum]

Question, how come the raid council talent build on wowhead is taking vicious venoms when we press fan of knives on 3+ targets?

[amber blaze]

NOTHING FOR US BOYS

Lets pump !

[maiden sierra]

deathbringer might be meta again for frost dk

thats a win in my books

[peak helm]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[normal mist]

Brace yourselves, Winter (frost dks that are going to reroll) is coming

https://tenor.com/view/got-game-of-thrones-winter-is-coming-nikolaj-coster-waldau-gif-4536538

[balmy condor]

you don't press fok on 3 with VV equipped

[prisma cypress]

i don't buy it. all the tier lists i've seen have frost dk listed as one of if not the top melee spec in both raid and m+

[hoary remnant]

@balmy condor How bad is downtime for fatebound? Lets say for outlaw its obvs pain for sub its nearly w/e. So how much does fatebound suffer from forced downtime?

Example (although) a bit of meme first boss mythic

[weary spear]

They’ll just reroll havoc anyways

[normal mist]

They just got nerfed some how

[modern forum]

Alright, i was reading the wowhead rotation guide and i thought that 3+ targets means 3 or more

[balmy condor]

just as bad as anything else

[distant fog]

How is assa not nerfed

@balmy condor untrue downtime hurts outlaw 100x more

[balmy condor]

it is if you don't have VV, but the fok math changes hurt a ton

[distant fog]

@hoary remnant not as bad as outlaw but not as painless as sub

[balmy condor]

VV is only at 5 target

blindside is +1

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[balmy condor]

can read it here

[hoary remnant]

ok ty

Is in the sims the bugfix of kingsbane in and how much dps is that?

[modern forum]

Alright cause if i untick VV it says 2+ targets and with it ticked it says 3+

thats why i was a bit confused

[balmy condor]

okay that whole thing needs a looking at

I probably fucked it

[candid geyser]

My favorite part of this video so far is the stats section

[misty holly]

I haven't gotten that far yet, does Whispyr finally tell us what our stat weights are?

[candid geyser]

Yeah it's very critical and will make or break your entire season. Follow the BiS list from Whispyr as closely as possible.

[hidden inlet]

Can someone tell me how the meld potion interact with the actual meld of NEs?

[spice surge]

It works the same as shadowmeld

[zenith elm]

A new whispyr video and its 3 hours long ? MAMAAAAA

[spice surge]

Which often (but definitely not always) allows you to stealth afterwards while fighting non-bosses

[zenith elm]

Loving it

[spice surge]

Its very janky and often doesnt work

[slim hamlet]

3.5 hours!?!?

[zenith elm]

[spice surge]

So im presuming the nelf pot is the same, but regardless the DPS pot is significantly more powerful

[zenith elm]

Absolute Cinema

[hidden inlet]

Does it share cd with the real meld?

[spice surge]

No

It shares cd with tempred potions

Which is again, SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful than an extra stealth

Even if your meld doesnt bug out and actually lets you get the stealth

[hidden inlet]

Oh so I can actually meld a trillion times if I go NE and also spam meld potion

[spice surge]

Yes like 60% of the time during non-bosses youll get a stealth reset whenever you try

[hidden inlet]

Damn I'm race changing now wanna try the endless meld reset

[spice surge]

You do you

[hidden inlet]

I've always been BE for the stealth pose

[normal mist]

Based

[modern forum]

@balmy condor I only ticked VV and not blindside so it could be that im just stupid as well tbh

[slim hamlet]

BE Nation!

[distant fog]

@marble hemlock

[slim hamlet]

Do it for her (Valeera)

[modern forum]

might be a me issue and not a guide issue

[distant fog]

Hello

Whats the reasoning between shiv dmark or dmark shiv

Was reading your guide

[normal mist]

Depends on the hero tree

[distant fog]

Fatebound

[normal mist]

Shiv will empower the coins from pressing DM iirc

[raw marlin]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/demonology-warlock-and-frost-dk-nerfed-last-minute-class-tuning-378094?utm_source=discord-webhook

we survived

muahahah

[balmy condor]

I see, well I saw a couple changes I needed to make anyway

[slim hamlet]

So great. I watched 3 segments of the 3.5 hour assa movie and Whispyr has said "dont ask my why it works like this" 4 times

[grand trail]

Yeah that's his fav one

[normal mist]

Sounds like him

[modern forum]

Haha alright thats good then atleast

[slim hamlet]

All valid too

Spatter and "poison" tooltips

[maiden sierra]

i love the part in the 3 hour video where whispyr opens minecraft

[balmy condor]

that's a secret hidden part

[slim hamlet]

My favourite is the roblox speedrun part

[grand trail]

His video motivate me to kill kyveza

[slim hamlet]

Yo it would be so hype if they just changed half interactions for 11.2.5 immediately outdating it

[maiden sierra]

If you cannot defeat Kyveza, do not bother showing up to raid. This boss is a baseline mechanics check. If you cannot handle mechanics while maintaining a strong DPS or HPS rotation, you will only drag the group down on the harder fights ahead.

This is not optional. This is not "just a warm-up boss." This is the fight that tells us whether you can balance your gameplay fundamentals aka: awareness, movement, uptime, and performance but all at once. If you fail here, you will fail later.

If you can't be bothered to put in the hours to grind this fight, you are disrespecting the other 26 players on this roster who are putting in the work. This is a preparatory fight for a multi-week raid, and it requires commitment. If you can't commit now, you won't commit later.

You all said you wanted to improve as a raid and get a better ranking. That doesn't start with someone else carrying you, it starts with you improving your own gameplay. If you can't do that, you're dead weight. And yes, I'm talking to you, you slug.

And before anyone even thinks about saying, "my class isn't designed for this encounter" fucking save it. I've seen hundreds of Chinese VODs of Kyveza beaten on every single spec and every single hero talent combination possible. The fight is beatable. The capability exists. The only difference between them and you is execution and effort.

So here's the bottom line: Beat Kyveza before raid night, or don't show up.

[hoary remnant]

Rogue is dumbster we need buffs

[slim hamlet]

[distant fog]

Who does

Not assa rogue

Outlaw needs a 10% bf buff

[hoary remnant]

Have you played fatebound?

Like actually

[slim hamlet]

Frost DKs are mad we didnt get nerfed

[distant fog]

Its highest damage dagger spec

Fatebound is nice

[hoary remnant]

Its omega bad if one add pops up and your dmg gets gutted

[distant fog]

Ah well play d stalker on cleave

[maiden sierra]

honestly i love the frost dk nerfs, only because they buffed deathbringer and i love that hero talent, hope it becomes the meta for that spec

[hoary remnant]

yes but with 1 add in the room and let it be a freaking enemy pet your damage just tanks

[mighty kiln]

Good times reading the chaos moment of a nerf in other class dc 😂

[misty holly]

This is why I tell offtank to drag the adds away

[distant fog]

Ye but dstalker is dere

[hoary remnant]

deathstalker on cleave council was so aids to play. Silken was a cakewalk compared to that

[stark musk]

Getting weapon from 642 to 691 would be big upgrade for sin rogue, right?

[slim hamlet]

My favourite activity

[hoary remnant]

yeah true just drag add out until boss resets 😄

[distant fog]

Bro

[raw marlin]

it really isnt lol

[distant fog]

Someone check warlock discord

[slim hamlet]

No

[distant fog]

They got murdered

[maiden sierra]

demo channel is on fire

[slim hamlet]

DH and Warlocks are banned

[hoary remnant]

It is need buffs all 3 specs

[distant fog]

Literally murdered

[hoary remnant]

rogues are happy being mid

we gotta rise up

wine more

[raw marlin]

bro we are legit the best dps spec in m+

[gray hazel]

You guys all crafting a wep as soon as you get the gilded?

[slim hamlet]

Hell no, then we might get PI again and get uber nerfed

[hoary remnant]

Who cares m+

[distant fog]

Fuck getting pi

Pi should be banned

[proven willow]

Anyone that’s relevant

[normal mist]

Who

[slim hamlet]

Would rather be mid in raid and meta in m+ than be good in raid just to get nerfed in both raid and m+ later

[maiden sierra]

m+ bad

give me my crown raid loggers

[hoary remnant]

idc about being relevant all about raid for me atleast. But yes its really nice we are decent in m+

But cant argue st is dogwater still as deathstalker without funnel

[slim hamlet]

Actually, make us op in raid so I can get good logs because there are 100k meta slaves playing it

[misty holly]

I just got the stats section, I was kind of tuning it out but I heard haste/vers a bunch and there was some huge chart in simcraft so that must be it?

[proven willow]

M+ is for people who don’t need to get carried by 19 other people

[nimble tartan]

logs are already free man

[distant fog]

Yo demo spec

Is on fire

HAHAHAHA

[normal mist]

Just by 4 right? XD

[raw marlin]

hahahaha

[slim hamlet]

arent they like still uber busted?

[raw marlin]

link some stuff lol

[slim hamlet]

same for frost dk

[nimble tartan]

me when its not raid day 🛌

m+ers mind prison

[zenith elm]

They are shitting themselves sooo much

And saying we deserved a nerf too 🤣

[distant fog]

Let me go to frost dk chanel now

[nimble tartan]

me and the boys doing our 8 +10s and grinding for gear for the first few weeks having the time of our lives gigglin and laughin

[normal mist]

I checked frost chat, they do say "rogue" a lot

[slim hamlet]

I mean if you havent noticed that they only balance around raid, specially pre-season then you are oblivious

[slim hamlet]

Yea they aint happy

[flint tusk]

DK players are wanna be rogue mains but they're not smart enough

[distant fog]

Frost is literally locked down rn 5 min chat

[slim hamlet]

A bunch of ragebait comments in here for them to randomly screenshot

[cinder mountain]

Cant wait next week to see assa buff once again

[slim hamlet]

rookie numbers

[cinder mountain]

Because it sucks in raid hahahah

[slim hamlet]

Does it actually suck tho? Seems at least decent and has different profiles easily accessible like always

even 1.5 min with fatebound now

[cinder mountain]

Not an expert on raid side, I saw sims on simulationcraft and made assumption

[zenith elm]

We are the good kind of shit

(Mid in raid and best in M+)

[slim hamlet]

Thats honestly BIS position

being too good in raid early on is setting you up for failure unless u just wanna see your spec in rwf

[distant fog]

Feral must be creamin rn

[slim hamlet]

Yea but in 10.2 we were also lowest simming on simcraft and still managed to need 2 or 3 nerfs before not being op

[marsh fjord]

also the sims is missing 300k on fatebound at the moment

[haughty flicker]

because we're also missing that 300k

[marsh fjord]

ye

[slim hamlet]

that the KB bug?

[marsh fjord]

Yes

[haughty flicker]

the bug still hasnt been fixed on ptr

[slim hamlet]

is the bug actually in the game still or just sim

[marsh fjord]

Its in game still

[zenith elm]

Ppl talking about rogue Fotmers in fdk chan 🤣

[slim hamlet]

oh

[hoary remnant]

you probalby never raided actually at any decent level^^

[marsh fjord]

Whispyr checked it on PTr and spell data hasnt been updated

so still here

[hoary remnant]

ok ptr yes

[haughty flicker]

some people are being cringe and stirring shit

[raw marlin]

i love discord channells when they get nerfs and people omega cry about it but the mainers there just tell them to STFU! hahahah

[slim hamlet]

Pog, more people that dont understand energy to farm logs on

[maiden sierra]

jokes on them ive been an one trick pony for over 7 years

[raw marlin]

yh im cringe

[hoary remnant]

idk might be fixed kingsbane bug. If not sims are with kingsbane bug

I think kingsbane bug is like 3%

[raw marlin]

obviously bro

[proven willow]

Top 10 world twice and top 50 is 8 times. Nice try Batman

[marsh fjord]

its 300k DPS

[hoary remnant]

In classic?

😄

[proven willow]

Nobody plays classic

[nimble tartan]

i love wow

[maiden sierra]

i hate wow

[gritty laurel]

we all saw that typo

[slim hamlet]

Real