assassination

[iron carbon]

Be a real man and play mechgnom

[spice spire]

Real men play vulpera actually

[iron carbon]

My afenar pack looks like frankenstein monster

I stole so much shit there and there

[swift bluff]

My team is falling ass backwards into a popular phys comp: Prot Warr, Resto Shaman, Hunter (Marks/BM); DK (Frost/UH).

Is it worth looking into the hybrid specs to bring some boss damage, or should I just relinquish to being the uncapped AOE daddy

[vague dagger]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[grand trail]

i will try out kyveza today, using whisper last video as my backgroound noise.. can i kill before it ends tho?:D

did you use any specific build to kill her?

[normal mist]

I'm praying for you

[warm vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/vulpera-world-of-warcraft-warcraft-gif-26162364

[royal lantern]

ngl, its so funny how much people suddenly talk about "physical comp"

[spice spire]

Me when I fucking get you

[royal lantern]

like, 5months ago it was not a thing

and now its suddenly WTF IF WE HAVE A DRUID WE NEED A MONK AND WARRIOR FOR PHYSICAL COMP!!!!!

[swift bluff]

Yea, I’m more addressing that it’s our first time that our mainstay classes are popular, all at once lol. We’re expecting all or a few to get gutted soon but whatever. We’ve stuck with it for nearly a decade 😂

So I should have said “phys comp”

We were like “holy fuck holy fuck it’s happening!!”

[warm vortex]

The best comp is the one with the 5 best players

[wet ruin]

is fatebound with 4p actually playable or is it still gimmicky?

[royal lantern]

yeha sure, like i said its just funny how prevalent it became in such a short time

so many people saw the MDI guys playing that comp once and now its just WTF PHYS COMP all the time

like, it literally turned into "you can only play X class if you play Y comp"

[shy mica]

Is there another place other then the wowhead guide that is a good starting point? I always find Wowhead guides to be chaotic

To read

[golden loom]

its already playable
2p makes it very good and sanity saving
4p also good big nice wooo

[swift bluff]

Yea. It’s taking meta to a new spot lol.

[golden loom]

well lucky for you a new 3 hour 30 min video released today

[royal lantern]

icyveins guide i gues?

[shy mica]

pagmandeluxe

[spice spire]

Did they fix the kb bug is going to be my favorite guessing game

[naive crescent]

hey it makes it easier to get into groups now that there is a hyperfixation on stupid shit

[shy mica]

iirc back in the day like ages ago there was a ravenholdt guide that had a reallyt nice to read tl;dr guide

[royal lantern]

you can fix me all the time

[shy mica]

but ye ill check IV, but in my experience it's very hit or miss how good it is

[golden loom]

[spice spire]

Haha hey king

[shy mica]

garf

[royal lantern]

[swift bluff]

Is that 3 hours?!

[spice spire]

Seli and whispyr collab so it’ll more or less be the same info

Just digestible levels

[spice spire]

Yes

[shy mica]

i used to main rogue, but havent played it since sl so im keen to get back into it

but it's a bit overwhelming xdx

[royal lantern]

i mean, assa didnt really change much

keep bleeds running, dump cp into envenoms when they are running, use cds on cd

[shy mica]

yea its just getting the hang of it initially then i can deep dive into small min max

trying to make a pve UI that works for arena and rbg aswell is always a challenge tho

[heavy jolt]

so with fatebound, what interaction causes the guaranteed capstone proc?

[royal lantern]

tierset

without tier its not guranteed

[heavy jolt]

ah gotchta, yeah i was getting it sometimes hitting the dummy

[golden loom]

envenom before cds (1 flip) -> deathmark (2 flips) -> kb (with tier 2 flips) -> coldblood (2 flips) -> vanish during the coldbloods flips -> extra coin boom bam

[iron carbon]

Vanish give a flip?

[iron carbon]

And the shiv before cd is for empowering the coins?

[shy mica]

on which channel is this

[golden loom]

whispyrs

[royal lantern]

whispyr

[shy mica]

i need to turbofist some knowledge in my brain

ty

[royal lantern]

our resident catboy

[golden loom]

yeah to boost dam on the flips from dm/kb

[iron carbon]

That's what I thought

Was trying to understand based on apl with a streamer few days ago

Deductions were good

[spice spire]

I thought that was you king

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-sleeping-cat-eepy-cat-eepy-kitty-gif-11184483905395278742

[iron carbon]

So the first envenom under cb gonna proc 3 coins?

[jaunty dew]

I started watching @balmy condor new video and now I know C++, ty!

[warm vortex]

Isn't it like

Deathmark gives 2
kings gives 1
first enven gives 2
second enven gives 1

[spice spire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[iron carbon]

Based on that, idk

[golden loom]

yeah for whichever coldblooded envenom u use after vanish flips 2

[plucky patio]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[dense cedar]

shouldn't the post vanish one flip 3?

[warm vortex]

Fatebound is still giga dog on aoe right

[dense cedar]

wait

[warm vortex]

Why would it flip 3

[dense cedar]

math is hard

i know it works

[iron carbon]

That's what I say

[dense cedar]

but it hurts my head

[wide atlas]

guys quick question

[warm vortex]

this better be the quickest question ever

[wide atlas]

if I'm already at max combo points in aoe scenario

[dense cedar]

no cos like

[golden loom]

cause it flips a edge case (your deathmark and KB flips edge cases -> the cold blooded envenomns match the edge case and then vanish is guaranteed to flip edge case cause u have cold blood)

[wide atlas]

but I don't have caustic spatter

[dense cedar]

it has to be 3>

cos edge case flips 2

[wide atlas]

should I mutilate and overcap

[dense cedar]

then tier makes it flip a third

[warm vortex]

Yes?

[dense cedar]

so that envnom should flip 3

[iron carbon]

Mutilate for spatter if you gonna hit envenom

[wide atlas]

best discord ty

[iron carbon]

If you gonna hit rupture, just put rupture then mutilate

[dense cedar]

my brain is so small

kb and post vanish are both triple flips right?

[wide atlas]

that leads me to another question

[iron carbon]

So it's 2 for dm, 2 for kb, 2 for cb envenom 1 for envenom?

[golden loom]

so this was envenom -> dm -> kb (without tier just to activate coldblood) -> vanish envenom

[wide atlas]

If i have darkest night up but rupture inactive

should I envenom or rupture

[dense cedar]

without tier is a big deal tho

[golden loom]

yeah for the guarantee

[dense cedar]

since that's where the 3 flips from the vanish and kb should be

[warm vortex]

Wait how would it flip 3

Like in one enven

Or do you mean 3 in a row

[dense cedar]

edge case flips 2 by default

tier makes it flip a third

[iron carbon]

Envenom

[wide atlas]

ty

[iron carbon]

To apply mark

[dense cedar]

tbh

i don't have to know how this works

[iron carbon]

Or you'll waste cycling

[dense cedar]

cos i just press buttons correct order

it'll work itself out

[golden loom]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[wide atlas]

and ruptures are ok at 5 combo points?

[golden loom]

yeah thats true

[dense cedar]

ye

[iron carbon]

Sure

[dense cedar]

not ege case btw

double jep

[golden loom]

I didnt realize tier added a extra flip, I thought it was only that KB got edge case

[dense cedar]

im just getting words mixed

double jp is the 2 flips

kb makesa double jep happen

[iron carbon]

So, outside of opener, when do we vanish?

[golden loom]

idk all this is just a bunch of hoopla but atleast it will work and we dont have to actually think about it

[dense cedar]

it just lines up with burst

wait

[golden loom]

well with 90 sec tier u would use vanish as a 3 min cd

[dense cedar]

no it doesn't

[iron carbon]

No

[dense cedar]

cos of 4 set

dumbass game

[wide atlas]

ty again and envenom also at 5 fine to cycle?

[dense cedar]

5 in the minimum to activate our hero talents

[iron carbon]

We could use it at 2m15 when we use kb + solo shiv to proc boosted coins

[dense cedar]

5+ always good

except for DN on deathstalker ofc

[iron carbon]

Only 7 when DN up

[wide atlas]

thank you very much

[iron carbon]

But 5+ anytime

[wide atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-byebear-cute-bye-wave-gif-11344673637928901881

I'm happy guys I' have no more questions

you're the best

[iron carbon]

You're welcome

[dense cedar]

im going nuts

[iron carbon]

I'll just check the apl once home

[dense cedar]

cold blood good n all

but like

shouldn't we be at 7 before it matters?

[iron carbon]

Can't

2 dm 2 kb, we miss 3

[dense cedar]

kb should also be 3 no?

kb causes double jep

and double jep is triple flip right?

[iron carbon]

Uuuuuh

[fallow canopy]

double jeopardy is vanish

kb is edge case with tier

[dense cedar]

oh right

im getting them mixed

[fallow canopy]

Cb makes it so it matches the flips before

meaning it matches edge cases

[dense cedar]

really can feel never reading this shit till now

[fallow canopy]

if i understand correctly

[dense cedar]

keep getting crossed wires between jep and edge case

kb is only 1 coin

[atomic creek]

I'm assuming it's not worth going Fatebound until at least 2 set for ST right? It seems to sim higher for me but in practice doesn't feel like it'll outDPS my deathstalker

[dense cedar]

env 1 > dm 2 > kb > 3 > vanish 6? 2nd envenom 7?

[fallow canopy]

in ST it is worth rn

with s2 gear

[golden loom]

nah I know you land on 8/7 coins if u do the opener

[fallow canopy]

all we need to know really

[atomic creek]

Is there any reason why Fatebound would perform worse on dummies than Deathstalker? I did both rotations for a bit and always ended up with Deathstalked being ahead

[golden loom]

alright found it

[dense cedar]

where is the extra coin

i can't count

okay wait

is the 8 from the rupture?

if lucky?

[golden loom]

well u dont count the rupture

cause thats not 100%

[dense cedar]

ye so

where is this coin i can't count

oh

the fucking aipwohd

im so illiterate

edge case 4 flips

from dm and kb

in total

im dumb as hell

[fallow canopy]

dummies are perma execute and DS benefits more from zoldyck so that could be it but no idea for sure idk

[dense cedar]

env 1 > dm 3 > kb 5 > vanish > 7 > 2nd env 8?

[vapid terrace]

I experienced the same thing. Didn't help make me decide to jump to FB lol

[fallow canopy]

technically from 5 to 8 CB its doing most of the work but yea

[golden loom]

yeah 1 coldblood envenom is 1 of each coin cause u had edge case
the vanished coldblooded envenom is 2x of that

so 3 total

[dense cedar]

doesn't the first cb use not matter?

[golden loom]

well u can vanish on first cb or 2nd cb

[dense cedar]

since its attached to the double jep envenom

[fallow canopy]

double jeopardy does not give edge case btw it just guarantees the same outcome for the 2 flips

[golden loom]

like when you played MA on fatebound you would vanish on the 2nd CB envenom just to drag out the KB timer a bit more and hit MA on more of the ramped dam

[fallow canopy]

cb gives the edge case

[dense cedar]

oh right

dumbass hero talent

well

i get it now

finally

[fallow canopy]

I mean its right there

[dense cedar]

really my issue was getting edge case and double jep mixed

[fallow canopy]

its wording could definitely use some work me thinks

[dense cedar]

a lot of text and talents for what is basically just "you give yourself 7% agi"

[small garnet]

kyveza as rogue really drains my sanity

but i need the title

[golden loom]

also this convo wouldnt happen if the season had started but what else is there to do than yap nonsense

[dense cedar]

even if, as I said before, if I just press the correct buttons I don't have to know how its working

[vapid terrace]

My guildies are convinced ?? Kyveza gives myth track gear somehow.

[dense cedar]

[marsh fjord]

It doesn’t

[honest vector]

Nah, everyone in the guild needs to do it for a myth piece. Pass it along

[royal lantern]

we could send cat pictures

[livid folio]

But only deathless

[dense cedar]

we're dreamgrove now

[small garnet]

how do not live the portal phase with both feint and evasion

[wary light]

Guys I just got pinged by my YT app about an assassination guide for EVERYTHING by some guy called Whispyr!!! We should maybe all go watch it!!!

[peak pagoda]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[naive crescent]

Easy with the promotion, we don't do that here

[marsh fjord]

Well you sure you are using elusiveness

And not cheat death

[marsh fjord]

Guys I just got pinged by my YT app about an assassination guide for EVERYTHING by some guy called Whispyr!!! We should maybe all go watch it!!!

[nova kelp]

my favourite bit is
"we're gona get up our bleeds"
"we're gona press cooldowns"
"we're gona get rid of malwarebytes"
"we're gona spam envenom"

[tight ginkgo]

Does this assassination guide also teach me how to make the perfect fried eggs?

[nova kelp]

depending on what you mean by perfect, fried, and eggs... yes

[wary light]

3:03:45 My Voice Hurts

[small garnet]

yea i was using cheat death the first few but she still eventually slaps me down

[wary light]

My favourite personal chapter

[naive crescent]

If you don't watch yourself buddy, the purple names are going to ban you so fast it'll make your head spin.

[tight ginkgo]

listen this is no yolking matter

[dense cedar]

feel bad for whispyr when we get the full assassination rework in midnight that turns us into a fire/physical mixed ranged dps spec

[marsh fjord]

I had no problem surviving the portel phase. Just alternate cooldowns with feint and pick up potions

[small garnet]

surely atrophic for kyve right

[marsh fjord]

Yeah

[nova kelp]

"assassination removed: Replaced with Bard"
"reasoning: We already have a ninja spec"

[wary light]

2:16:53 Gear and why you piss me off

Okay Whispyr making some good memes in the timestamps

[dense cedar]

assassination will be able to off-hand a wand in midnight

[humble verge]

well

i think i found a great way too get free undercoin

esp. for us rogues

[dense cedar]

well

what is it

[nova kelp]

don't tell him

[nova kelp]

or us

just know it

[humble verge]

pay up

lil bro

[nova kelp]

and hoard that knowledge

[dense cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/roll-pink-cup-seal-gif-25003750

[dense cedar]

viscous beast

[grand trail]

@normal mist damn and im only 50min in video

[ocean quiver]

Some guy claiming he is renown 11 with the new fact? is that even possible

[dense cedar]

wrong word

close enough tho

[normal mist]

fuck yeah man GG

[wet ruin]

was the kingsbane bugfix just a tease or did they actually fix it

[humble verge]

yes

it is

if you just keep doing wqs on alts with contract

[ocean quiver]

is it even worth doing that?

[humble verge]

you can get 1 full renown if you do all the wqs throughout on 4-5 alts

well

if you have nothing to do? sure

[ocean quiver]

and "wqs" you mean any wq in tww?

[velvet ridge]

Assassination tank rework, with restealth gameplay

[humble verge]

yes

its like

2600g rn

and its a warband buff

so all your alts get it from 1 contract

[ocean quiver]

dayum

might have to do it then

[golden loom]

15???????????

[fallen charm]

bro is gonna edge us

[humble verge]

yes

[humble verge]

:3

[fallow canopy]

ye if you appreciate your sanity just don't bother

[humble verge]

like

if im not wrong

[golden loom]

I mean I am playing tft atm

[humble verge]

a full wq run

is like 500-600 rep

probably takes 1-2h

idk

i havent tried it myself so

[fallow canopy]

that's 1-2h too much

[humble verge]

52 active world quests rn

780 rep

and then you multiply that per alt

[fallen charm]

guys where are we on making a WA to play a zinger for every streak over 10?

[coral ibex]

hm

[fallen charm]

like the sound samira plays when she gets a combo up

[humble verge]

bruh

[fallen charm]

I need one on my desk by the end of day

[coral ibex]

when i played wotlk classic there was a wa passed around the simonize discord called the "pog o meter"

[jolly stirrup]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[coral ibex]

and it measured ur crit rate and went crazy and played an audio track if it went over a certain threshold

it could prob be adapted to fatebound streaks

lemme find it

https://wago.io/sGvfaBegW

[fallen charm]

i've spent 30 min on wowhead searching for a game sound file to make an aura but didn't find any poggers

[golden loom]

sorry to say but I will be taking rank 1

[humble verge]

me when i keep gatekeeping my undercoin operation

[small garnet]

just spam flicker gates

[humble verge]

damn u gotme

also do it in Fungal

since u can see all the portals from the top

[small garnet]

underkeep spawned like 4-5 portals last time i was in there

[spice spire]

Mf literally folded on gatekeeping within seconds

Ain’t no way

[humble verge]

because he said them

[small garnet]

flickergates*

[humble verge]

lmao

i gave u the optimized

route

be greatful u prick : (

[spice spire]

That’s when you say “nuh uh” and make a mf look for more than doesn’t exist

That’s called gaslighting

[humble verge]

yeah but im bad at gaslighting

[spice spire]

💅

[humble verge]

keeping secret

sure

[small garnet]

this one spawned like 5 a few days ago

[fallen charm]

I did that to rush my 8 delves 8

[humble verge]

also just know that like

[small garnet]

idk if it still does i cba farming flickergates tbh

[fallen charm]

fungal+flicker

[humble verge]

yes

im doing them at t11 tho

for most undercoin

[normal mist]

I already farmed the 100 portals

[marsh fjord]

Damn whisypr doing shout outs in his video

and im not even in it

[small garnet]

theres on guy in dh disc that probably clicked 300 by now

[humble verge]

wait is that a

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/404soob-pepe-pp-gif-21552696

[humble verge]

achi?

[normal mist]

this one is perfect for that

[small garnet]

he had like 22k undercoins on the weekend

[small garnet]

yes

[humble verge]

jesus wtf

[nova kelp]

Can we make a transcript of the cinderbrew meadery section and put that shit on a !command?

[humble verge]

but like

im not finishing the delves

[small garnet]

he also has a delve speedrun spreadsheet

[humble verge]

i look for the flicker gates

if i dont see them

i go out

1 minute operation

[gray raven]

Whisp just casually dropping a almost 4 hour sin rogue video 🤌

[prime quail]

how much dmg loss do i have without old 4set as a fresh season 3 rogue over some1 with same ilvl ?

[nova kelp]

at this point if eleem doesn't make a 3 hour sub vid including a how to guide on active mind palace spreadsheeting he's basically just washed

[humble verge]

whisp not even pluggin his video

in the pins

smh

[dense cedar]

was just a thing i knew about

[small garnet]

24k

oops

[humble verge]

jesoz

i wonder if hes like

actually doing the same strat as me tho

or more so

im doing the same strat as him?

[small garnet]

i mean

look at the date

100 flickergates

fucking insanity

[normal mist]

i mean yeah, i started last night too basically xD

[dense cedar]

do flicker gates show up on any tier?

[normal mist]

yes

[humble verge]

i would do t11

for most coins tho

[dense cedar]

lol

[humble verge]

i think

for 8

you get 75-85

t11 gets you

120-135

[fading elbow]

!macros

[normal mist]

coins for what tho

[humble verge]

you can gear up alts

well

not yet but

you can use it for tmog

the free heroic piece

[dense cedar]

!cb

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[humble verge]

yes

[normal mist]

already have 9 nemesis xD

[humble verge]

this is 2k coins

[normal mist]

just from this farm

[humble verge]

wait wtf

[dense cedar]

@fading elbow

[humble verge]

you have 9lol

oh lmao

i have 2 in my bag

didnt even see

[dense cedar]

i can actually predict what will happen to rogue in midnight

[humble verge]

we die?

[dense cedar]

anything they do to it will be underwhelming

[night cipher]

we get a 4th spec ?

[royal lantern]

we dont even have 3

[dense cedar]

we got uh

sin

purple sin

leather fury warrior

[dark quiver]

double passive trink for m+ with bleed build, decent or bad?

[dense cedar]

do you have an on-use available?

[royal lantern]

double passive is almost always bad

[dense cedar]

if not then ye

but yeah on-use better

[dark quiver]

ah ok, i only have lily. and everyone in my guild wants forge so thought maybe double passive could be decent

[dense cedar]

lily is good

[dark quiver]

how do we use lily in m+? do hold it for deathmark?

or just send

[tawdry root]

Probably just macro to DM

[night cipher]

I will be a very happy guy with Lily + Pacemaker (or Antenna)

[marsh fjord]

you cna farm the coins really easy on rogue btw

you go to sluice. stealth. find portal, exit delve.

2/3 minutes per run. and gives 130 coins

[warped sorrel]

Im sorry if this question has been asked a ton but i used to search function and i cant find it, but I seem to break stealth every time i get close to a target. Is there something in the assa tree to make you break stealth when close? Seems odd...

[marsh fjord]

are you on lightning when this happens?

[prime quail]

what can i do with the coins ?

[night cipher]

Check if ur belt is on lightning proc

[marsh fjord]

buy stuff

[scarlet orbit]

Do you have by any chance a int dagger equipt with an effect?

[warped sorrel]

Man this discord is a gem. Literally both of those things. Belt was on lightning and the dagger. You guys are crazy. Thank you.

[marsh fjord]

no worries. thats then 200 euros on my paypal

thanks!

[humble verge]

did he run underkeep tho or?

[night cipher]

we split this time, right ? last time you forgot

xD

[real pike]

I'm not being funny but how do I get to the DMF from Tazavesh

[marsh fjord]

@humble verge you annoyed whispyr so much he made a 3 hours video just for you

[real pike]

how do I get anywhere lmfao

[wary light]

Same portal you can in from

[night cipher]

you exit tazavezh from the portal you are sent to right at the start of the campaign

[real pike]

The Dorn one?

are there portals from Dorn to capital cities?

[night cipher]

yeah, then SW/ORG based on faction

[wary light]

Yes

[night cipher]

then wherever

[humble verge]

i skimwatched it

i forgor errithin

[real pike]

my thanks

[coral ibex]

have you not gone from dorn to org/sw at all this expansion?

[real pike]

I genuinely don't think I have

[coral ibex]

not even for the anniversary event to get to the caverns of time?

[deep gyro]

Rogue discord is best class discord.

[real pike]

for the what now?

[dense cedar]

that int dagger gets so many people

truly the stats aren't helping

[warped sorrel]

i think part of it is you just just know how fucking buggy stealth is and you know so many fucking terrible interations.

[coral ibex]

the 20th anniversary event with the fake new raid and the t2 mogs

back in s1

[real pike]

sounds like something I didn't do

if it didn't do anything towords gearing for raids, I didn't do it

[normal mist]

Thats the smallest thing here

[waxen oyster]

I mean, mog is the real endgame

[humble verge]

alright 2 from 1 portal watafak @normal mist

[golden loom]

Only mog you actually need is cursed vision of sargeras

[waxen oyster]

Bro likes wearing an unwashed black washrag on his eyes.

[golden loom]

On every char that uses leather since second 1

[rain mortar]

Holy video whispyr. Excited to watch this.

[wary light]

It's also partly that when people ask a silly question we don't (often) be an ass and insult them, which happens in uhhh... Most of the others

[night cipher]

and Tier 5

[normal mist]

brother we have the few next weeks secured

[waxen oyster]

the t6 remake

[dense cedar]

the new tier set is so pretty

[waxen oyster]

t3 bonescythe mask isnt bad either

[golden loom]

Me

[waxen oyster]

Tbh isnt that, the sepulcher dh helm

https://www.wowhead.com/item=189783/sin-steeped-coronet

[golden loom]

No idea all I know is that blindfold = cool

[waxen oyster]

I actually do like the helmet but never bothered to try making something else with it.

[winged quail]

Listening to whispyr have a breakdown over the cinderbrew meadery name is kino

[marsh fjord]

i've put it on 1.5 speed and its amazing 😄

[calm brook]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[warm vortex]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[warm vortex]

Oh my god it still works

Let's go

[marsh fjord]

'Hi guys do i swap to rik barrels or not '

[dense cedar]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[warm vortex]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtlety.

[warm vortex]

Oh my god i remember when rik was the talk of the holdt

[marsh fjord]

thanks

[warm vortex]

All good
Wonder when they will fix these mugzee mines

[stable apex]

whats up with the mines

[waxen oyster]

I have the mount i have no reason to go back to undermine

[golden loom]

the video turns into ASMR after 3 hours

[warm vortex]

What if you wanna eat the food and smell the air

The...
uhh
highly processed food and probably cancer causing air

[red schooner]

Hell yeah, 10 minute whispyr secondary stat rant

[waxen oyster]

im waiting for my first

step dimensius fall through the world and die

of the tier

[stable apex]

you forgot the loading screen + instant ban because you just teleported 50km instantly

[waxen oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/sfm-soldier-tf2-meme-american-gif-24728385

[stable apex]

swap km to yard, statement stays the same

[waxen oyster]

Yes you will use our completely nonsensical measuring system

[stable apex]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[nimble tartan]

i swapped to rik barrels during our 5 pull prog cause why wouldnt i lmao 🤣

[final wadi]

guys I'm coming here with hell of a headache and this discord is my only hope to get an answer - why is every assa rogue guide writer and youtuber talking about using kingsbane, but all talent trees in guides are build without kingsbane? help me to get it right or I'm gonna freak out (I played assa during 11.0.5 for the last time)

[severe meadow]

What build are you referring to, we use several

[spice surge]

Youre probably seeing some season 2 stuff

Play bleed without kingsbane in s3 in keys

[nimble tartan]

personally i call it queensbane

[final wadi]

for example the one from wowhead m+ guide

[severe meadow]

The bleed build doesn’t run KB

[final wadi]

but why so if everyone's saying that KB is super important as it's the biggest burst window for aoe

[spice surge]

Then youre watching old stuff

Or theyre wrong

[severe meadow]

Does the cleave build run KB? I never swapped over to it

[royal lantern]

people love making stuff up

[final wadi]

that was my first thought but assa havent received any bigger talent changes in 11.2 right? so the rotation should remain quite the same

[normal mist]

yes

[spice surge]

Bleed was the best before too unless you were doing the highest keys where things lived for a long time

But with new tier bleed is just always better

[real pike]

has anyone had any issues with the DMF mage/portal just...not being there in Org?

[final wadi]

so why the hell wowhead, icyveine and all other guided are still built around KB? 😄 where do I learn how to play in a proper way

[spice surge]

Theyre literally not

[rain mortar]

Maybe dumb question, but why use mouseover macros now
When you can just turn it on via in game options? Just out of fear you will mouse over something you and press a button you don’t want to to accidentally mouseover attack a target?

[spice surge]

Or are you actually asking about ST instead of m+

[real pike]

where is my DMF what is going on

[normal mist]

yeah...

that might be it Eleem

[waxen oyster]

ended two days ago

[vestal radish]

Where can I get Shindogg's WA package?

[real pike]

did it???

thought it lasted a week

from second Sunday

[normal mist]

whispyr's

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[vestal radish]

Thank you

[waxen oyster]

I mean it always lasts sunday-friday

[real pike]

did it not start on this Sunday just gone?

[final wadi]

I'm looking for the best and most accurate guide for m+ rotation and this is what I found

[real pike]

I thought it was 2nd Sun of the month

I am so confus

[final wadi]

idk if it's just legacy stuff or what

[fallow canopy]

first sunday of the month til the 2nd

[maiden sierra]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[spice surge]

Skip kb if you dont have it

[vestal radish]

So when shindogg was running that 10 top, he did not apply garote on the packs, is there a reason why?

[warm vortex]

Dick reverb

Classic

Iconic even

[vestal radish]

I'm new to rogue btw

[real pike]

FML

I've been lied to and am also an idiot

[vestal radish]

19 top

[spice surge]

@balmy condor Maybe should be clarified, several people have asked about it. (why KB is in the multitarget opener by default)

[vestal radish]

Shindogg did not garote the packs

[spice surge]

Old build

[real pike]

so I missed out on all the DMF rep bonuses now so I'm behind everyone that used it?

[spice surge]

For old season

[vestal radish]

oh ok

[real pike]

might as well uninstall until Midnight

[nimble tartan]

ya

[waxen oyster]

It always starts the very first sunday.

[maiden sierra]

Was he using zerros build?

[waxen oyster]

the rep shit barely matters

doesnt it just give the augment rune

slightly faster

[dense cedar]

ye

no big things to get from the rep otehr than the rune

[waxen oyster]

You'd gain more dps paying gold for a racechange from troll

than an augment rune

[spice surge]

Yes, but this tier especially you also get augment runes that last through death in a few weeks

From raid renown

[maiden sierra]

Dreambound augment rune my belowed

[waxen oyster]

REAL

[maiden sierra]

Got that shit week 2

Still use it

[waxen oyster]

i dont recall when i got mine

[real pike]

don't you dare

[desert vault]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[waxen oyster]

troll sucks in 2025

what can i say

[real pike]

dey hate mon cuz dey ain't mon

[final wadi]

so where do I learn about the proper m+ aoe rotation without KB? now I have 2 stacks of vanish and shiv and got no clue when to use it

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-the-interview-hate-us-gif-12303612

[spice surge]

In the guides

Literally the one you linked

[final wadi]

I'm noob but feeling tempted to pump numbers this season 😄

[waxen oyster]

i mean the rotation doesnt really change

without kb

[normal mist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZXEXxFABJM

[waxen oyster]

you just dont press kb

[spice surge]

Just dont press kb

[final wadi]

dang 3hr ago? this one has to be updated 😄 thanks! brb in 3h

[normal mist]

Cheers!!

[waxen oyster]

I mean.....

[spice surge]

Its literally the same guy that does the wowhead guide, which was updated like a day or so ago

[dense cedar]

annoyed at the whispyr guide? here watch this whispyr guide

[waxen oyster]

you can watch a s2 guide just fine

[maiden sierra]

Royal the whispyr video salesman

[normal mist]

ahhahaahah

[waxen oyster]

literally nothing changed

new tier makes our shiv windows do more

thats really it

[calm brook]

Oh ! I remember dragging the boss to the nearest barrels to allow my Assa to cleave

[waxen oyster]

the wowhead guide literally states "no changes from s2"

[final wadi]

yeah but I've been keeping shiv for the KB window etc. and now I have 2 stacks of shiv and no KB to utilize it

[maiden sierra]

You press shiv

[spice surge]

???

[dense cedar]

you should read the lowest left talent on the spec tree

[normal mist]

We love you

[final wadi]

thanks for your help! I'll be back after a little bit more reading/watching

[waxen oyster]

im gonna be honest

the amount of people lost on when to shiv without kb

kind of shows people dont know where damage comes from

as bleed

[dense cedar]

i know where

the bleeds

[fallow canopy]

or has never read arterial

[dense cedar]

does aererial prio enemies with bleeds on them btw?

[spice surge]

No

[dense cedar]

ty blizz

[hard river]

let people be new

[waxen oyster]

Well CT hits everything

and is your fattest dot

[dense cedar]

i will make them old

[waxen oyster]

so theres that at least

[marsh fjord]

im at the part that whispyr is talking about cindebrew i almost fell of my chair of laughter @balmy condor hahahaha

[nova kelp]

sir, where's your 3 hour subtlety vid?

[vestal radish]

So when I open on a pack of mobs, stealth, ambush, garote and rupture as many as I can in that 6 second window, crimson tempest, mut to apply caustic splatter, envenom at 5+ combo points, into death mark, shiv, vanish to reapply empowered garote, and refresh rupture, then 5+ combo envenom, fok, envenom, exc ... ? I'm new to rogue so i'm just trying to get the hang of it

[waxen oyster]

You have 12s to apply bleeds with imp garrote and IC

the first 6 you need to ambush something to get mark on it however

[vestal radish]

I thought it was 6

[dense cedar]

subterfuge adds 6 seconds

[nova oxide]

You brew beer and liquor to an extent before distillation. Mead and wine are not brewed, just fermented. Although Cinderbrew Meadey boss IPA is a beer 🤯

[waxen oyster]

You need mark rolling on your main target

else you wont have a hero tree active

which is very very bad

[vestal radish]

my ambush target needs to be the mark target

[waxen oyster]

Your first one yes

[spice surge]

Idk if there was one it would not be 3 hours for sure

[waxen oyster]

Unless you dumped a darkest night envenom on something else

[dense cedar]

love that they called it deathstalker's mark

on the class with a button called Deathmark

[spice surge]

Not nearly as good as whispyr at ranting, would try to be more concise

[dense cedar]

really big thinking there

[waxen oyster]

I mean doesnt sub have

3-4 abilities that could be shortened to ss

[livid folio]

Never say never. You can ramble about target counts for like 1.5h

[marsh fjord]

I dont sub but if i would play sub i would listen to you eleem your a good guy

[nova kelp]

but sub comes with active spreadsheeting within the mind palace

https://tenor.com/view/math-numbers-confused-when-he-say-hes-straight-what-gif-7675506

[dense cedar]

unseen blade should've beened called Shadowed Blade

[spice surge]

I mean you can outsource that to WAs if you want

That just says NO when you have 30s or so left on flag

[waxen oyster]

unseen blade should have a chance to hit a random boomy in your raid

instead of the boss

[vapid terrace]

I should learn sub someday but idk if my old brain can handle it

[nova kelp]

true, though, I know it's heretical to some but I still miss dust

[dense cedar]

sub isn't that bad baseline imo

just got a bunch of fuckery

[livid folio]

I am in the middle of learning it Right now 😂

[waxen oyster]

sub isnt even bad nowadays without dust

its just a 1.5min spec

[vapid terrace]

I get the gist of it, but 1 wrong press and its pretty gg overall dps lol

[nova kelp]

sub wasn't bad with dust... 😢

[spice surge]

Idk new people when learning sub try to focus too much on the wrong things. Just doing the opener and then doing it again 90s later is 90% of the way there

[waxen oyster]

sub wasnt bad with dust true

you just let stealthi do the math

on cds

and copied

[dense cedar]

99% of sub is remembering to press backstab as your first builder in dance

[spice surge]

Then the last 10% of dps is maximizing the things inbetween your blades

[waxen oyster]

I was still a firm believer

in the second rupture in dance for shadow rupture gamba

[nova kelp]

heheh firm

[waxen oyster]

in amirdrassil

[dense cedar]

#bringbacknightblade

[waxen oyster]

real

that shadow rupture did massive damage though with full stacked ashes snapshot

[nova kelp]

#bringbacklegionsub

#bringbacktossub

[waxen oyster]

Real i need to dfa and fly through dimensius model

[dense cedar]

when are we getting old feint back

[vestal radish]

Last question, do you crimson tempest on ST or no?

[livid folio]

Yes with bleed build

[waxen oyster]

tos sub was peak, antorus was a falloff version

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/kenshiro-meme-omae-omaewamoushindeiru-omaewamou-gif-18658759

[waxen oyster]

well besides if you were a degen and did shuriken toss step on pull

to guarantee concordance

[vestal radish]

Thanks

[dense cedar]

i remember them nerfing feint in legion

which inadvertently nerfed that shitty pants leggo

[waxen oyster]

yep

[nova kelp]

I remember them deleting sub for the entirety of BFA because of Zul

[waxen oyster]

pants lego

[dense cedar]

OP ROGUE TANK PANTS

[waxen oyster]

jerking off with your co rogue in guldans moonwell

together

[fallen charm]

so I'm done watching the assassination master class and the most important lesson is I can vote BIS on every piece of loot that is not trinket

noice

[waxen oyster]

I mean everything is bis

because ilvl

[dense cedar]

pls give ritual forge, I will not be using it on half the bosses

[waxen oyster]

or just be the better dps in your raid

and get loot prio because of it

[nova kelp]

I'm just going for the netherprism hey
good for fate
fine for ds
good for sub

fuck it

fuck the forge queue

[dense cedar]

WRONG

u get ur raid to give u forge

[waxen oyster]

is it even good for sub

[dense cedar]

to use in M+

[waxen oyster]

you wont have it on pull

[dense cedar]

to farm lily

ofc

[nova kelp]

its good for sub

it's good for m+

[fallow canopy]

farm lily steal dks netherprisms

[waxen oyster]

lily looks weird

[fallow canopy]

call it a day

[nova kelp]

just get a netherprism and worry about a forge later on in the season

[waxen oyster]

why does it give the same mastery as hoc

while being a tier ahead

hello?????

[vestal radish]

I just want to say thank you for the quick responses to my questions. This disc is bad ass

[waxen oyster]

I fully expect to be in

pvp badge jail

for a bit

[dense cedar]

rogue one is an actually good class discord

[unique ermine]

dunno about that haha. I joined 10 minutes ago and all ive read in the ass section is sub so far 😛

[dense cedar]

did u know

combo points

let you use finishers

#assassinationknowledge

[waxen oyster]

I mean

[normal mist]

Wdym?

[waxen oyster]

Most people who play this class play multiple specs

well besides #outlaw players

they're contained in their own enclosure

[dense cedar]

we were talking about bringing back nightblade and tomb sub

[waxen oyster]

bring back ago poison so i can afk watching netflix

half of raid

[dense cedar]

literally the worst talent of all time for rogue

[waxen oyster]

thank god my rl played rogue so he never

made me swap targets

[dense cedar]

legit fucked up ur gearing too iirc

[cosmic orchid]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[waxen oyster]

ehh all i rememberwas

[dense cedar]

mastery became so good you legit were mad to get anything without it

[waxen oyster]

haste was very very bad

like if you got a haste piece in your box you gg go next

[unique ermine]

Im just playing with you guys, dont worry, just made me laugh that i joined the discord. Clicked on assass discussion, only too see everyone discussing subtlety rotations and changes

[dense cedar]

that horrid all-classes ring

sephuz?

or prydaz

whichever it was

[fallow canopy]

sephuz iirc, prydaz was the neck (?

[waxen oyster]

I got prydaz as my second lego

[dense cedar]

ye one of neck

other was ring

[waxen oyster]

Let's say it ruined my morning

and i didnt play rest of the day

[dense cedar]

my first leggo was the shadow damage ring

which was like

good to get I guess

compared to the really shitty ones

[half dawn]

meowdy

[waxen oyster]

it was bis in EN iirc

Well it wasn't satyr boots for sub strong

[dense cedar]

i only got into legion with Return to khara patch

[waxen oyster]

but still really good

[half dawn]

are you guys running the bleed build for m+?

i havent touched assa since s2 DF

[dense cedar]

sin been carrying that anime reference forever since

[half dawn]

so idfk whats going on

[dense cedar]

Yes

[waxen oyster]

s2 df oh god

worst patch

shadowstrike shadowstrike evis x500000000

[dense cedar]

in midnight they're gonna give Sin goremaw's for no reason

[honest needle]

what fiber do we get for reshi wraps for m+

[waxen oyster]

No in midnight we're gonna get poison blades

which may or may not be a shadowblades copypaste

[dense cedar]

doesn't really matter, just get the mastery one

[waxen oyster]

Get all 4 and swap them based on mood

like a pair of shoes for the day

[half dawn]

i actually liked the old IC before the rework

[dense cedar]

they r very cheap to make so u really can just swap em around if u wanna

[half dawn]

but mby im a freak fr

[waxen oyster]

Idk i played outlaw s1

then they decided to kick it in the balls

[toxic rose]

Well boys time to watch a 3:30 min video

[waxen oyster]

6 weeks in a row

[half dawn]

i played outlaw every season but got bored in s2 and started playing assa

tbh i played assa in raid

[dense cedar]

outlaw HO build DF s1

fun time

[half dawn]

goated

s3 was goated too

[waxen oyster]

nah i full sent outlaw in voti

then my rl was cringe and said play sub for rasz

[half dawn]

we didnt get rasz

brood progress was 💀

I was put on ST as outlaw

[waxen oyster]

i had the pleasure of our dk tank 180ing the boss a few times

on my step

[half dawn]

on the boss

[waxen oyster]

and i stepped off platform

[half dawn]

i wanted to grill myself

so i went assa

[honest needle]

so dont get crit fiber ?

[normal mist]

?

[waxen oyster]

I mean assa stats are get whatever you dont have alot of

barely matters

[midnight atlas]

you heard it here boyz, swap fatebound for m+

[waxen oyster]

everyone play fatebound to dodge nerfs

obviously

[dense cedar]

feel like outlaw players probably got secondary stat ptsd tho

that haste interaction is some awful shit

[waxen oyster]

Nah the stressing over secondaries

is because players want to blame something besides themselves

stats are just an easy one

[dense cedar]

idk the idea that u press AR and it doesn't give u the correct benefit does seem kinda dumb

[waxen oyster]

Well that one is

[half dawn]

I'm reading the bleed build prio rotation guide, and is it just me or is it quite simple on paper

[dense cedar]

It is

[red schooner]

It is!

[half dawn]

did outlaw for 2 expacs in a row fry my brain and I cant read anymore or

aha

[red schooner]

Bleed build is easy, its very chill

[half dawn]

need to get used to playing with the DN thingy

[waxen oyster]

The key is you run lower keys with an arms warrior

then send shiv when packs are low

and watch him complain about getting no execute

[red schooner]

Follower dungeons as bleed builds are glorious. Packs just go pop.

[waxen oyster]

I did the vision thing as bleed and got gift of the titans

sanguine was my top damage on thrall

[half dawn]

aite idfk what these talents do yet so slow down

ah ok shiv is aoe now in this build and giga execute tf

ok nice

[red schooner]

Just remember, shivving low hp packs isn't demise padding, its maximising zoldyck use.

Never let anyone tell you otherwise.

[half dawn]

is there a specific poison combo

you should use

[red schooner]

Deadly and either numbing/atro

[hard river]

We lost another one

[red schooner]

He's ours now you can't have him back

[half dawn]

They took acro. They made me play KS. It was too much solo

[dense cedar]

btw they'll remove bte in midnight and everyone will flock back now that it has no gameplay

since people like that I think

[waxen oyster]

for some reason arterial hits mobs

from a mile away

yet we cant have acro

[red schooner]

Because arterial is secretly chain lightning in disguise

I think if you set it up right you can shiv a mob 60 something yards away

[half dawn]

should i try to stay above 50% energy at all times?

i need to slow down my outlaw ADHD

[raw marlin]

If we haven’t been nerfed yet. It’s not happening right?

[red schooner]

Thats like, a tiny optimisation and easy to fuck up

Just do what the rest of us do and hit buttons

[half dawn]

ok boss

[waxen oyster]

Honestly

[dense cedar]

in ST the bleed build will struggle to even try to have 50% energy half the time

[waxen oyster]

I see sub getting a nerf

due to rwf

[dense cedar]

in AoE ur kinda flooded

[tulip pasture]

Bleed builds its ok on little Keys or all Keys ?

[raw marlin]

All.

[dense cedar]

All keys

[waxen oyster]

It was already good in all keys

[raw marlin]

Really?

[waxen oyster]

for 99% of players

[raw marlin]

You think they’ll play sub over cojnflippersimulator sin?

[waxen oyster]

sub got big nuke burst

usually is good in rwf settings

idk

[dense cedar]

every rwf guild will run 19 outlaw rogues

sub rogue's secret buff

it makes me feel smarter playing it

than sin does

despite not really mattering like that

[half dawn]

one question - if you fuck up and dont ambush out of stealth - are you fucking up your DSM for that whole pull

[dense cedar]

all DoT specs are kinda just idiot tests for half their rotation

[half dawn]

i think i tried Assa in S1 of this xpac and i remember some cringe behaviour with this talent

[dense cedar]

you can ambush any time inside of subturfuge

[normal mist]

if you dont have subterfuge or vanish, yes

[dense cedar]

if you don't then tho ur fucked

and have to vanish to get it

[half dawn]

aha ok

[dense cedar]

Just open with ambush in M+ first pack

most of the time u can carry a darkest night into everything else

[half dawn]

if you put the DSM on non prio target you are fucked or?

[dense cedar]

unless u get bullied by the code

you can ambush something else

to move it

[half dawn]

ah ok cool

[dense cedar]

otherwise u have to get through all the stacks

to move it with DN

[thorn fjord]

!wa

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[half dawn]

does it get auto moved if your target dies

[dense cedar]

no

well

[half dawn]

so i gota ambush again?

from stealth

[dense cedar]

if your target dies you usually get darkest night

which you can use to move it

[half dawn]

ahh ok ok

clear

thnx

ill run some m0s

[dense cedar]

so when a pack is over

[half dawn]

and int

[dense cedar]

if u don't sit on your hands for like 20 seconds or something

u can just blast an envenom to get it back in the next pull

instead of ambushing

when people doing ptr were talking about eco dome

it sounded horrible

having played it myself

its like they hate us

[waxen oyster]

I just never swapped

on ecodome m0

[dense cedar]

doesn't matter if u swap or not

u gotta hold that vanish or dn stack

cos the boss just becomes a diff guy

[waxen oyster]

Yeah our ecodome boss just melted

so maybe im remembering wrong

[half dawn]

one last q

[dense cedar]

i thought it was hp based

[fallen charm]

the boss bascally uses bop and fuck assassination

[half dawn]

is not getting stealth between packs giga loss

[dense cedar]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[half dawn]

ty ty

[thick sigil]

!wa

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[dense cedar]

@half dawn btw the target has to have all 3 of its mark stacks removed or die to give darkest night

if it like stops existing or some other such thing

you won't get given darkest night

[quasi ledge]

In single target as FB. On second KB without DM, do we also use 2 shiv?

[deep gyro]

There is no reason to hold it on fb. I think

U held for dry shiv. In Dsm

[light nimbus]

Yo is it possible to get D.I.S.C in 11.2?

[runic hinge]

yes theres a console near brand in dorn that has the quests

[light nimbus]

Still takes 4weeks to get it to 701?

[royal lantern]

dont think so

[rotund oak]

no u just farm the thingies and buy from the vendor

[twilit cargo]

can u meld and go stealth mid pull in m+?

[rotund oak]

theoritically yes practically

highly unlikely

[raw marlin]

Took me 5 mins legit

[light nimbus]

Nice

[raw marlin]

Do tier 1 delves

Go back.

Repeat 3-4 times

[twilit cargo]

why is that

chain pulling as example

[royal lantern]

cus meld is janky af

and even if it would be reliable, it doesnt really make a difference anyway