assassination

[glad ruin]

and pants

[normal mist]

You can sim

[night vessel]

andone here did ?? kyveza already?

[cloud nacelle]

which delve is gucci today?

[unique lake]

was going to ask the same lol

[copper hazel]

meeres looks to be spam running sidestreet sluice

click bomb piles, run, click till 100%, kill boss

[worldly dock]

Demo warlocks are blasting this season

he finished 5.3 in prio and i was only 4.3

[humble verge]

man lmao

bro expects me to trade gear i get

smh

[bright tartan]

imagine asking

[warm vortex]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[tawny geyser]

I did. ?, will attempt ?? Soon.

[nova kelp]

I haven't tried it yet

I should

[buoyant herald]

Try dropping a sacbrood, pretty sure I got like 6 whispers instantly

[humble verge]

HAHAHA

[torn dome]

does it matter to a noob like me in which order bleeds are applied when opening?

[humble verge]

no, but standard opener is

ambush > garrote > rupture > rupture > garrote > CT

bleedwise

[torn dome]

wouldn't that CT be like 1CP? better to mutilate then garrote then CT? or no

[humble verge]

no

thats why you garrote

so you get 5 rup dots

and 5 garrote dots

and the CT should be 5-7

[torn dome]

okay ty ty, and if we already have DN up we can skip the ambush

[humble verge]

i just ambush out of habit

[torn dome]

ya same 😄

just checking

feels nice

big STAB

[golden loom]

you still ambush to mark something

[torn dome]

ah ok

ty mates

[lavish bane]

does sin sims dungeon slice latest or should be something else? for m+ dmg profile

[grim jay]

Dslice nightly

[lavish bane]

can sin have like 3 or 4 poisons active at the same time? Which one should i use for m+?

[neat shell]

[nova aspen]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[lavish bane]

what is DTB?

[tawny geyser]

Dragon Tempered Blades
Talent on bottom

[cloud nacelle]

!cb

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[warm flint]

no need to. target that gets hit by your dn envenom gets marked instantly after the hit

so dont use an extra ambush if you're already 7cp, if not its wever

[normal kindle]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[small garnet]

Is there a hidden trick to not suffer while doing delves as rogue

[novel star]

not really

play healer brann i guess idk

[rigid flicker]

Assn and healer Brann

[grim jay]

Sub and healer brann*

[nova kelp]

I just run bleed lol

[novel star]

idk man it’s a delve

[main bridge]

i've been running healer Brann with the defensive curios. if you don't feel like you need defensives, the hatarang does a ton of damage

i've done tier 11 delves with this set up

[mild pine]

hey guys. could i know how much damge we gain from the tier set??

[main bridge]

you could sim that

[raw pelican]

how to deal with kyveza on ?? diff ?

[grim jay]

We really need a command for that useless question just to satisfy the masses

[thin estuary]

Do you use a mouse over macro from garrote / rupture ?

[grim jay]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[main bridge]

shindig has a video of him doing it as sub. maybe that helps

it's not a guide though, it's just him doing it

[raw pelican]

well gonna check that

thx

[mild pine]

i know but my gears are really bad. so i want to know about number(percent)

[nova kelp]

I might have to hit up kyvesa

she owes me for that 97 she hit me with

[grim jay]

I might have to hit someone

[nova kelp]

coz she made my poisons run out

[main bridge]

sims will give you a number. do you understand what a sim is?

[mild pine]

okay sorry my bad haha

[ocean quiver]

sewey

[rotund oak]

its very expensive all of it yeah

[main bridge]

sorry i hope you don't feel like i'm trying to belittle you - a sim will give you the best answer because it's specific to your gear. so you will know how much the tier set will benefit you individually, which in my opinion, is better than a sim using gear you don't have and may never have

i think the tier sets are pretty huge for all specs though, in general

[spice spire]

Behind that happy muffin face is pure evil

[main bridge]

Naaah I try to use emotes to remind people I am not trying to be a dick. Hopefully it helps

Sometimes text can be ambiguous

[spice spire]

I’m not being serious

Generally the dicks get weeded out pretty well

[tame bloom]

Hello! Will fatebound be stronger than Deathsalker on single target? Is it worth trying?

[spice spire]

It is good ST it is absolutely worth trying but always remember to sim to make sure.
Idk if the kb bug is still in or not, I’m not fully up to date

But for once we have two hero powers

[teal zodiac]

hey guys, for some reason i cant acess the rotation page on wowhead. can you help me out if we use crimson tempest on boss encounters in m+ or not worth spending the combo points?

[grim jay]

Why am I still here

Pretty big dick

Ngl

[modern plinth]

How important is it to target swap and apply garrote and rupture to targets outside of indiscriminate carnage?
I mean in a long Aoe fight when vanish is on cd

[grim jay]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[grim jay]

And after that

You basically just apply the general rule in the text

Keeping up the rupture for scent stacks and energy

If mobs still live long enough you can rupture even more

Garrote is just for the main target

[modern plinth]

If the mobs live longer than your rupture and you dont have vanish

Should i then start tabbing ruptures

[grim jay]

Ye, just what I told you below the command

Rupture spreading is manual then

[modern plinth]

Yea

How many rupture is considered enough

9?

[grim jay]

If you play bleed you can rupture stuff that stays alive long enough

For scent stacks its 5

Which also is enough for energy

[modern plinth]

Ok cool. Thanks for the answers!

[grim jay]

You're welcome

[modern plinth]

One more: is it okay to let the rupture run out completely or is it better to reapply before they run out?

[grim jay]

I'd refresh in pandemic whenever possible

Even in multitarget

[gritty laurel]

depends on context. single target/prio mob? refresh in pandemic. secondary target that's going to die in the next 5 seconds? just send an envenom to the prio

[digital venture]

Hey. Does anyone know if whispyr updated his wa and plater pack yet?

[gritty laurel]

unless you need to snipe for energy, then snipe

[versed mirage]

Is fate bound the move for pure single target even before tier set?

[grim jay]

Letting rupture drop in aoe can lead to a point where you dont look at it actively enough and run out of ruptures to get enough energy or lose scent stacks

[coral ibex]

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[coral ibex]

the whole point of pandemic is that there's no lost duration

[modern plinth]

Ok so i need to refresh when there 5,4sec or less, but before it runs out

[lavish bane]

is it normal, expected, to sim very low in dungeon slice? My sim here shows 4.3M , but my 5 target dummy in dornogal easily reachs 9M.

[ashen orbit]

that's single target bro

oh nmv

nvm

Still though, it's not gonna match at all to aoe

[gritty laurel]

dslice lasts longer than your initial burst window, so that's normal

and yeah what froggy said. sim is a tool to compare gear, not really to match to what you actually hit in game

[spice surge]

Well if you do 5 target sims youll get a higher sim number

[ashen orbit]

if you want appropiate then hit the same number of targets as long as you sim it to

if you want an idea of it

[spice surge]

Dslice is trying to emulate an entire dungeon, with a bunch of singletarget

[lavish bane]

i see,

well, on that sense, if i want to make sure my gear is fully optmized to m+ scenarios, would dungeon slice be the best option to sim? in general.

[spice surge]

Yes

[gritty laurel]

for assa, yes. not for all specs though

[lavish bane]

i see, ty.

[velvet mural]

wtf it impossible to get 5 masks in 1 week

you can get max 4

omg im so tilted

why id check that after spending an hour

[main bridge]

Sounds

[celest mesa]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[deft shard]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tall atlas]

Not looked at anything for the new patch yet boys. How we looking

[lavish bane]

i can try to rush you, what is ur ilvl?

[velvet mural]

671

[lavish bane]

do u have all perks or like 80% of them?

[ocean quiver]

Why we still doing mask runs? isn't that just s2 stuff?

[velvet mural]

can swap to the max sanity for party members tho

[ocean quiver]

:)

[velvet mural]

you can get 691 weap from vendor if you completed 5 mask

[ocean quiver]

holy flip

what the

[celest mesa]

anyone know what this WA pack is for rogue?

[lavish bane]

send tell to falkien-silvermoon, lets try

[velvet mural]

and its fcking gated cuz you cant get all masks in one week

[ocean quiver]

did the masks reset?

[velvet mural]

no

[ocean quiver]

oh I got them all then

I just don't think I can do a 5 mask run ;(

[velvet mural]

eu or na?

[lavish bane]

NA

ops

[velvet mural]

im eu

sadge

[lavish bane]

EU

im EU, sorry

[peak helm]

Did they completely disable head enchants?

[ocean quiver]

dang

[lavish bane]

yes

[velvet mural]

"no player named 'falkien' is currently playing

[ocean quiver]

just says can't use it and it's grey'd out

[ocean quiver]

if you are horde

you wont be able to message him he's ally

[velvet mural]

makes sense

wait im a night elf lol

[ocean quiver]

Oh lol

I was able to message him

[earnest remnant]

looks like casualaddicts

atleast he has that same stealth one

[ocean quiver]

I like some specific things from peoples packs, but not enough to use the whole pack as I have other weakaura packages that I use ;(

[sly urchin]

What’s the achievement name for 5 mask run?

[ocean quiver]

not sure but it might be something to do with this

[sly urchin]

That’s the 2020 achievement…

[ocean quiver]

huh?

[main bridge]

It’s not

It says revisited

[sly urchin]

Symphony of masks is part of OG visions

[ocean quiver]

then why is it in dornogal where you can buy gear

[sly urchin]

I don’t have it in the revisited achievements

[ocean quiver]

and buy the item to get champion tracked

[sly urchin]

Idk

[acoustic roost]

veteran tracked

[sly urchin]

Lemme check

[ocean quiver]

"buy the item to get champion tracked" - "unlocks future champion items"

[acoustic roost]

that was for s2. i dont think it was supposed to upgrade to s3 gear but it did

so in s3 it gives veteran, which is a nice lil boost cause it can go to 691

[ocean quiver]

I think the fact the items is on the new track means it was intended to be upgraded

[acoustic roost]

Just like how hallowfall is dropping veteran stuff. Don't think it was intended, or they just didnt care cause it's really 1 week only (this week) that they even matter

[ocean quiver]

most of this gear gets replaced in a week anyway so maybe it's a catchup mechanic they intended

[nova kelp]

its definitely intended

[quasi ledge]

How to decide when to use council or cleave talent builds? (I dont know raid bosses yet)

[lavish geyser]

why do you want without a trace for m+? im thinking for the bleed build

[coral ibex]

you want subterfuge and wat is one more talent point

and you cant do much with that one talent point

so you take WAT

[earnest remnant]

more vanish's = good for bleed spreads
subterfuge good for more bleed spreads as well

[lavish geyser]

ah, so you wouild just use it to reapply bleeds?

[earnest remnant]

that and with deathmark on bosses

[coral ibex]

i save vanish for chain pulls generally

[lavish geyser]

but bleed build uses ambush. so does that matter?

[coral ibex]

not sure what ambush has to do with it

[earnest remnant]

it takes all garrote talents

[lavish geyser]

oh shit. mb was thinking about the hero talent

that is called deathstalkers mark. Yeah. Was only wondering about the 1 extra charge. but yeah I see it

[late gulch]

is it only with 5 mask you get veteran loot from doing visions?

[proper seal]

Do you save 2 shivs charges for deathmark as bleed m+ spec?

[spice surge]

Yes

[tawny geyser]

We saving Spark ye? Or we making a dagger?

[ocean quiver]

I think we wait

[woven hazel]

I feel like its always best to wait

[distant plinth]

Is this real or cap?

[thorny swift]

its real

also, are we no crafting bracers?

[main bridge]

It’s on wowhead

[distant plinth]

Hahaha loll, whatta fucking stupid shit🤣

No point in myth raiding then, can just do m0 for 1 hour every week and you will get full gear

[thin estuary]

Where on wowhead?

[main bridge]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/hard-mode-tazavesh-guide-how-to-activate-boss-strategies-rewards

[thick sigil]

Its not m0 tho

[cyan epoch]

Can’t wait to whip out the 40% vers set

[mortal spoke]

sim shows crafting the dagger now as a 50k increase for me. think its safe to send it and then just recraft next week with gilded? ( i wont be doing mythic week 1)

[golden loom]

if u dont wanna recraft u can just wait but dagger craft good

[thin estuary]

Can you do it this week? Or is it starting with the season?

[mortal spoke]

next week

[thin estuary]

That hard mode will be sus

[thin estuary]

I don’t get this though

Nvm, I think I get the jest of it, basically do it after raid so you have decent gear

[distant plinth]

Yea do it after raid so its easier to blast em bitches

[spice surge]

The hardmode is allegedly tuned as a +10 and you have to do it deathless to ger 1 random piece of myth track item from that dungeon

So its not really replacing myth raid now is it

[thin estuary]

Fair, but what’s the point of running it on an alt?

[spice surge]

Its just like it was in dragonflight with dawn of the infinite

[spice surge]

The post is about getting a high key immediately

Instead playing +3, +6, +8 and then a +10

[tight ginkgo]

Now now eleem, being reasonable won't help my kneejerk dooming reaction at all

[distant plinth]

Yoy do it so you can get a 10

[thin estuary]

But it’s on an alt? Huh?

[spice surge]

Well you play it with main after

[broken bay]

anyone has a good WA for deathstalker on target by chance with an arrow or something

[spice surge]

If you play a +3 key on your main you get a low key

[thin estuary]

You can trade keys between your characters?

[spice surge]

No

Its for a group

[lavish bane]

what is the pandemic for rupture? 13 seconds?

[sterile swallow]

1 stays on and the other 4 get on their mans with no key.

[golden loom]

depends on combo points from the new rupture

[spice surge]

30% of the dot youre applying

[lavish bane]

so 9 seconds is the minimum

[golden loom]

so a 5 point rupture has a lower pandemic window compared to a 7 point

[thin estuary]

Oh fair

Such a needlessly complex way to get a +10 when you can 2/3 chest every key

[reef timber]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[hexed root]

whats the reasoning by not doing it on the mains?

[sterile swallow]

In case they die they can jump on a different geared alt.

[main bridge]

I guess the idea is to get some practice so it won’t matter if you fail

[sterile swallow]

If you did it on your main and a stupid death happened your not able to get the 10 key easy. Never under estimate the hoops some players will go to try and save time.

[ocean quiver]

so is the myth item only given IF you don't die?

[spare viper]

Yoooo, quick question - is there a list what spec to play at which raid boss? Just saw that fatebound is played in ST fights, never played that tbh and want to prep upfront 😄

[tawdry root]

They’re just doing alts to delay their mains’ run so they have more gear for a deathless run and guarantee the mythic track loot for their main

The alt run still gives them a chance to get early +10s for their mains without the risk of losing mythic loot

[broken bay]

anyone has a good WA for deathstalker on target by chance with an arrow or something

[mental flicker]

I use this one: https://wago.io/5FWtjYFgC

[lavish bane]

what do u track besided rupture and garrote timings?

[round fjord]

if u have any deaths, can u just start over or its ggs?

[scenic mulch]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[mental flicker]

These: https://wago.io/-XTVViyAS

[lavish bane]

thx

will try check see, ty

[nova kelp]

good god that's a LOT of stuff on screen...

[normal mist]

A bit too much yeah

[nova kelp]

you can ahve a plater do all that for you

[normal mist]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[normal mist]

One of these

[lavish bane]

roger

[scarlet orbit]

On fatebound. Do we always shiv before dm or only in the opener? I would assume always?

[idle radish]

me when my target dies before i gett full value of my deathmark or something:
dang it!

[normal mist]

I believe always because it will buff the coin flip coins or something

[mental flicker]

It’s not all on the screen all the time

[nova kelp]

yar for the coin flips

[nova kelp]

you can ahve all of that on a simple plater is all - very simple, very chill

[mental flicker]

Yup. My eyes are bad though. Have a hard time seeing the icons on nameplates

[nova kelp]

like as assass you have a LOT of time on your hands to deal with tracking stuff

it's not like a breakneck pace, or a ton of stuff to track

but hey

don't let me disuade you if it's what you like

you pay to play your game same as anyone else

[quasi ledge]

My thistle tea macro was only working once every 5 min until i found out it used the item in my bags

[kindred breach]

man that sudden demise go brrrr on M0 lmao

[spice surge]

Gg better luck next week

[west crown]

@balmy condor not sure if you care about typos but you said to give feedback on the guide "]Deathstalkers"

[austere flame]

Do we break 4 piece for two piece or wait for all 4

[spice surge]

New 2p good

[twin hull]

If we are playing the bleed build in m+...do we still crimson tempest in ST? or just garrote, rupture and envenom spams?

[humble verge]

if u still need delves ig

https://www.wowhead.com/news/fastest-delve-story-up-today-for-easy-vault-completion-378048

[nova kelp]

one of the new delves is insanely fast

[spice surge]

Yes ct in st

[kindred breach]

which one is it?

need to do my leveling now

was going to go the shrooms one

[nova kelp]

I can't remember what it's called, but I was doing like 4 min clears ULTRA casually

[kindred breach]

noice

im gonna check

ty

[nova kelp]

it has like multiple floors

[twilit parcel]

I wish we had 1 ability that just applied all our poisons, i keep forgetting to swap em every hour 😄

[nova kelp]

jsut had to go in, hit some tanks, kill 3 dudes

done

[twin hull]

how do i check?

[kindred breach]

U can write a quick macro

[twilit parcel]

Oh ?

[kindred breach]

not a one button but u press only one key

Yeah somethin like

#showtooltip Deadly Poison
/Castsequence Deadly Poison, Numbing Poison....

[spice surge]

What do you mean

[kindred breach]

And u put all poisons on the chain

[twilit parcel]

Aah, ty mate

[twin hull]

sorry i miss read it...thank you

[torpid schooner]

How are we looking for raid next week?

[turbid sandal]

Is the S2 Deathstalker build better until we get the new tier set?

[twilit parcel]

Mfw our current Tier set looks almost just like Nighthold..

[spice surge]

Theyre the same so

[hallow glade]

Make wow legion again

[twilit parcel]

nah, but we gettin' Remix so that's fair.

[flat cedar]

I was talking with somebody about assassination rogue, and they mentioned the buffs in 11.2 meant the spec has amazing funnel damage. Is this true and if so, when do you funnel vs full aoe?

[twilit parcel]

Damn, Imma make my Player Housing look like an Outlaw Rogue's pirate paradise.

[spice surge]

It had amazing funnel before

Literally just playing the spec is funnel and aoe

[turbid sandal]

I meant for ST, rather than the Fatebound build

[twilit parcel]

Stabby.

[spice surge]

Fatebound sims slightly better on St

[flat cedar]

So, by plaing the AOE rotation it naturally funnels damage?

[spice surge]

Yes

[deep gyro]

How many fights in the raid are going to be pure st

[umbral sigil]

prolly like 1 maybe 2 or 3 if you can get away with funneling boss when adds are up

[spice surge]

And yeah the tier makes the funnel slightly better, but its changing the dps you gain for funnel vs pure st from like 75% more to 85% more

In m+ spec

So we were already doing very big st if funnel was available

[hallow glade]

Perhaps there should be a bot command explaining some of the different ways assa funnels

I think it might get asked a lot more

[spice surge]

Ye maybe, Ive even heard content creators say assa doesnt have something like the aldrachi funnel talent, when we clearly do with singular focus

Nobody knows anything about rogues

[main bridge]

content creators spreading misinformation? say it ain't so

[hallow glade]

I turned on a certain wow streamer and they asked their chat “does assa have funnel” and no one seemed to think so

[tight ginkgo]

[hallow glade]

I think part of it is that assa has at least 5 different ways it funnels

[fallow canopy]

Maybe rename the talent to singular funnel

[hallow glade]

Also I think people look at assa doing very low st and then very big aoe and saying “ah must be pad”

[nova kelp]

I actually have a lot of people assume I'm "st"

[spice surge]

15% of all damage going straight into the big man clearly isnt funnel

[nova kelp]

which is even weirder

I pipe up like "nah my st is dogshit"

and they get all "what? that's what rogues do though"

people like REALLY don't know anything about rogues

[hallow glade]

Having to explain how soothe works as a rogue

And then you do a different build or spec, and they go “but wait I thought you could / couldn’t soothe?”

[quiet oriole]

Can we get a funnel command for disc explaining our funnel?

So can just copy pasta my raid lead

[cerulean karma]

So maybe a stupid question, but at what point do I replace s2 tier set? Or just tier 4 tier

[hallow glade]

You can do 2pc+2pc

Assa S2 4pc was very weak

[cerulean karma]

Yeah but not replace it for higher ilvl?

[hallow glade]

That too

[cerulean karma]

Non-tier

[hallow glade]

Uh

[turbid lion]

worst case you can sim it

[hallow glade]

You can sim it but prob not

[cerulean karma]

Thanks

[golden loom]

so for raid:
singular focus: marked target from deathstalkers mark takes damage from damage you deal to non-marked targets -> you spatter extra adds deal damage to boss aswell
Rupture: gives energy when you snipe stuff via venomous wounds so if u can ever rupture an add its nice
fan of knives: in a situation where there are enough targets to fok, 5+ ish in raid build you have cheap builder to spam finishers
also a big thing with our raid build is that we legit swap a 1,8% damage talent (internal bleeding) to caustic spatter and gain all our aoe

[weary stump]

One day raid leaders around the world will understand our class

[nova kelp]

people will understand rogue when rogue is popular again

it's been a while since legion

[weary stump]

Wait but that means never

[cerulean karma]

This is my first tier as rogue

I like the rotation so far tbh

[weary stump]

people would rather play anything else compared to us it's tragic

[cerulean karma]

I have to get used to using shiv

[nova kelp]

shiv fortunately is one of our super simple interactions

[kindred breach]

https://tenor.com/view/the-god-father-marlon-brando-vito-corleone-talk-to-me-gif-20107028

[quasi ledge]

Whats the deal with funneling and raid leads not understanding. Atleast help me understand as rogue

[quasi ledge]

Same also first. Switched from arms haha

[nova kelp]

wouldn''t worry about trying to explain funnel
worry about trying to explain just how bad of an idea it is to ask you to switch targets

[kindred breach]

Basically we got a mid ST, but if u got adds to spread bleeds/caustic to a small part of this damage goes back to ur ST

[cerulean karma]

Switched from Shaman, complicated rotation for underwhelming damage

[kindred breach]

so mid ST becomes much more big

[quasi ledge]

Ah makes sense ty

[weary stump]

I instead just malicious compliance and when they ask why my parse was shit I explain and they tell me to keep doing it anyway

[steady raven]

I am thinking of doing the same, ele. Came here to learn/understand everything I can to decide if I should go for it.

[kindred breach]

yeah they're the worst lol

not understanding basics about parsing and still leading a raid

[weary stump]

I simply just say I guess I'll die lmao

[nova kelp]

as long as you're literally the last person they ask to switch

and you're STILL NEEDED

then it's fine

[weary stump]

Nope I'm one of the first most of the times

[nova kelp]

then they're dumb asf

[weary stump]

It's suffering truly

[nova kelp]

it's not for you

it's w/e

it's just stupid for the raid

literally just a bad idea in every metric

if everyone is more capable of doing it thna you are, then why have you do it

[weary stump]

I have never received a good answer on that lmao, but I'm too lazy to guild hunt at least for a few more months therefore I suffer

[nova kelp]

again, it's the wrong way to think about it really

it's not about your suffering

it's the raid that suffers

the switch dps is drastically lower

so w/e it is that has to be switched to dies slower

unsure how often that's a GOOD idea

so bosses are now harder to kill due to a lack of knowledge

also itjust makes no logical sense
if a player is telling you, I'm actually really bad at padding on adds
then why assume it's just that they're lazy
like you think I WOULDN'T go giga pad on the adds if I could? my meters would look great

[deep gyro]

Just go bleed build and show them pad dam.

[earnest kettle]

hi, should i keep the same talent build for last season until i get the new tier or should i make the changes now? for raid and m+

[deep gyro]

Are there talent changes?

[main bridge]

no talent changes

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[nova kelp]

talent changes? new to rogue? lol

[earnest kettle]

nice, this takes away a lot of stress

[main bridge]

it's a reasonable question but that's why we have this nice updated guide Whispyr wrote

[nova kelp]

lol we have barely had any changes since the df s3 rework

[deep gyro]

Fatebound actually does good aoe

[nova kelp]

it's been a good while

[nova kelp]

try to not use fb in aoe situations

it canabalises it's own damage

[earnest kettle]

i saw fatebound for raid, really surprised there

[deep gyro]

Fb>>Ds

[deep gyro]

Shouldn’t be

It was already good for st however undermine had 1 st fight.

[earnest kettle]

that true

i just wished DS was changed for m+ i really hate how difficult it is to change targets

[teal lark]

Guys, are delves also super bugged for you? Half of the time my ambush won't register and right know I one shotted a delve endboss with a 110 million ambush... What is going on?

[deep gyro]

The tech :0

[deep gyro]

It kinda is hard but there are ways around it.

And once you get used to it. It becomes second nature

[earnest kettle]

i now but i really want to just change targets whenever i want

[normal mist]

fair

[deep gyro]

Use a vanish charge

[nova kelp]

when we say difficult in this context
are we referring to the slight gameplay changes?
or like, it's actually hard to change talents?

[deep gyro]

[marsh fjord]

Do you have the sands ability in delves that gives you crit?

[normal mist]

it would make DS better

to change whenever

[marsh fjord]

Because that ability bugs you

[ocean quiver]

What is the easiest delve today?

[deep gyro]

He meant hard to swap targets because mark is on a mob and sometimes u switch for interrupts cc or more damage if ur main target is about to die.

[zenith prairie]

They evade bug if you come out of stealth all the time

[nova kelp]

oh my bad

I misread it

sorry sorry, playing sf6 at the same time

[deep gyro]

Who u playing?

[nova kelp]

Ed mostly just hit 1900 mr

[deep gyro]

Lowkey ed was my favorite, i wish i was better at fighting games 😦

[nova kelp]

takes a lot of rounds

a LOT of rounds

[normal mist]

I also think Ed was awesome, but not in the fighting games.

Ed, Edd and Eddy were awesome

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/ed-sf6-street-fighter-street-fighter-gif-7571808783899627448

ed^

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/ed-edd-n-eddy-cartoon-running-run-gif-17332015

ed^

[nova kelp]

my ed is prettier

[deep gyro]

Blasphemous

[nova kelp]

he got them twink abs

[normal mist]

mine is funnier!

[deep gyro]

The ed goat

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/ed-edd-n-eddy-walking-rom-gif-26570953

back when watching cartoons was goated

[nova kelp]

pretty sure your ed is dead

isn't he

that was the rumour

[deep gyro]

The theory was that they were living in purgatory. All the kids

[nova kelp]

it was just the never ending murmurs of a dead mind struggling to let go

I think that makes your ed an outlaw player

rip

[deep gyro]

LMAO

Poor outlaw is always on the receiving end of the memes

[weary stump]

He still talks about being a combat rogue to this day

[deep gyro]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[nova kelp]

fuck combat, outlaw is better
it makes it make sense when my soundboard auto plays the pirates of the Caribbean sound track on disc whenever I play OL

[weary stump]

Back in my day we had armor reduction finishers

[deep gyro]

Eew

[nova kelp]

back in my day we had spirit on our gear
we didn't have a choice
world of roguecraft videos appeared on the interwebs
bugs allowed us to one shot people with sinister strike by equipping a big iron fishing pole prior to the weapon speed normalisation changes

[weary stump]

shakes cane

We swap to our spell damage dagger for cleave

[nova kelp]

we thought that blackwing lair was a myth

[weary stump]

It is wdym

[nova kelp]

you equipped hand of edward the odd, procced it and insta capped flags in arathi basin while the 3 defenders all stood there trying to work out what the fuck just happened

back then... rogue was a popular class

TOO popular

it was hard to get a raid spot, because there were just too many of them

[weary stump]

Now we are usually less played than monk

[rotund oak]

that was still a thing in classic,the instant cap

[balmy condor]

And the discord is still riddled with idiots whenever we do halfway decent in m+

[ocean quiver]

Which is the easiest delve to complete today?

[balmy condor]

Probably fungal folly

It’s always fungal folly

My goated delve

[zenith prairie]

Why fly far when you can fly close

[nova kelp]

one of the new delves is goated

[ocean quiver]

fungal folly is so aids today

[balmy condor]

What’s the mission

[ocean quiver]

this one

[nova kelp]

you just go in, smash a few canisters, kill 3 dudes, done

I was doing 4 min clears in one of the new ones 2 days ago

[ocean quiver]

where you godda go around with this flame thrower thing and clear up the ground

touch machines, can hardly skip anything

[balmy condor]

Oh I don’t remember that one

[ocean quiver]

and the mobs all do different shit and just melt me

died once

[balmy condor]

Unlucky

[ocean quiver]

had to wait for defensives a few times

[rotund oak]

easiest and most efficient must be sidestreet in undermine

for rogue

in general

prolly the fastest as well

[nova kelp]

is it faster than the new one?

[ocean quiver]

sweet ty

I normally do fungal

[main bridge]

i've only done the new one a few times but it does not strike me as fast

[ocean quiver]

but this story one is so aids

[rotund oak]

fungal isnt alot slower but it is slower

[nova kelp]

one of the new ones is ultra fast

[rotund oak]

sidestreet prolly the best

(and yes ive done alot of delves)

(and i mean alot)

[nova kelp]

can we see a count at all anywhere?

[main bridge]

i like sidestreet - that's the one we drag guildies through. you can do the objectives and just jump down to the boss which is nice

[rotund oak]

there is an 1k achievement

[nova kelp]

1k delves completed achieve?

[rotund oak]

yeah

[humble verge]

i have 100 delves

pep

[nova kelp]

hmmm

I have a weak aura that tracks my times in delves

the new one I was doing t8 in 4:11 on average

[ocean quiver]

my delves

sheesh

[slate crown]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu_2xfhsrz8

[ocean quiver]

I almost never do them

[rotund oak]

yeah i did more every week

delve goldfarming was a thing

[ocean quiver]

only time i'm in a delve is if I am forced to get something

like the belt upgrade

[nova kelp]

I'm at 488 delves lol

[rotund oak]

[nova kelp]

what do yo uget for 1k?

[humble verge]

how you guys have done so many delves

idk

[ocean quiver]

what is the actual delve achievement

[humble verge]

atleast why bothered

[nova kelp]

I get bored

and I don't pvp

[ocean quiver]

bran is pissing me off now tho

he just attacks everything

like bro get on passive mode or sum

[main bridge]

Brann is Leeroy Jenkins

[rotund oak]

''infinite delver''

[nova kelp]

that's a disgusting achievement

[rotund oak]

its something like the hk farming

[nova kelp]

probably end up rarer than veilstrider lol

[ocean quiver]

I dont see it

[rotund oak]

u go up to bloodthristy at 250k

series of achieves

delves beyond etc

for delves

[vapid terrace]

My bran is level 48. Delves are horrible imo

[rotund oak]

my bran is maxed out gigachad

jk

he sucks

[main bridge]

I really like delves. Good solo content. Hope they continue to innovate

[nova kelp]

bran and gigachad in the same sentence is an abomination

[rotund oak]

its very good gold tbh

def worth the time

[nova kelp]

it's good for gold?

[main bridge]

They should fix the Leeroy stuff tho

[nova kelp]

what even is "good" when it comes to gold now?

I'm still living off the gold I made in wrath

[rotund oak]

my account

cant have any more gold

literally

[ocean quiver]

share the love

[nova kelp]

there was a point in wrath where you could craft a ring for 2 saronite bars
then disenchant that ring for 11-15 dust
a bar costed 2g each
a single dust sold for 12g

so...

[rotund oak]

[ocean quiver]

here's a thought

[zenith elm]

I'm a poor baby boy UwU @rotund oak

[nova kelp]

I bought ALL the saronite

ALL of it

[ocean quiver]

if you give me 1million, you have a reason to farm 1million gold again :D

i'm giving you purpose

[nova kelp]

I gold capped mutliple accounts and have never needed to make gold again

lol

[rotund oak]

yup it was very good tactic back then,you also made alot of gold with tailoring

generally saronite bombs and other engi stuff

[nimble tartan]

guys we need to riot i dont want to do this man

[nova kelp]

bumb actually selling shit properly, I just abused the fuck out of that hole in the market for a weekend

then they giga nerfed the amount of dust you needed for enchants

and it was over

[main bridge]

You don’t have to do it

What makes you think you do?

[nimble tartan]

cause i love loot baby

[rotund oak]

a good businessman in my book

[nimble tartan]

just a feelsbad thing to have extra gear tied to deathless runs

imo for the community!!

[main bridge]

Yeah it’s sucks you have to earn mythic loot I guess

[whole mantle]

hey, anyone know if there is a fast delve to do in stealth?

[nimble tartan]

lmfao jesus

[main bridge]

This question is asked every five minutes please scroll up

[nimble tartan]

bro is not a human

[rotund oak]

sidestreet in undermine @whole mantle

[whole mantle]

ty

[ocean quiver]

whats the fastest delve to do in stealth?

[nimble tartan]

i like fungal too but yesterdays sucked butt

i didnt want to fish hehe

[nova kelp]

I see a lot of people citing like 10 mins for sidestreet? that' can't be right

[vague dagger]

is delve boss soloable as rogue??

[nova kelp]

that would make the new one like twice as fast

[nova kelp]

kyvesa?

[rotund oak]

thats very slow

[vague dagger]

yeye

[nova kelp]

yeah, people have done it already

[ocean quiver]

me being one of them

i'll just wait for fungal folly to be good story to finish delves cba that streetslice is also aids

bran just pulls everything in the delve

[severe silo]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[main bridge]

I did it with guildies and we just zerged the entire delve

Super easy

[nova kelp]

ah there's my sidestreet timers - looks like I average a 4:20 in there

[ocean quiver]

5 man vs solo ;(

[nova kelp]

blaze it up lol

[main bridge]

Yeah I’m saying do it with guild of friends

[ocean quiver]

got none ;(

[main bridge]

[balmy condor]

Muffin starting to lose his patience with delve questions, the character growth is just so beautiful, he’s just like me fr

[nova kelp]

Muffinspyr

whats the stat prio for the delve build?

[fallow canopy]

Used to be a happy pastry look what hours on the Ravenholdt discord did to him

[novel niche]

Hi I'm pretty new to assassination, if a pull goes for long enough that my initial indiscriminate carnage bleeds are wearing off and I am out of vanish charges, should I be constantly swapping to new targets to reapply garote and rupture or should I be sticking on one target and relying on caustic spatter?

[rotund oak]

Muffin has your hair?

so much hotness

[main bridge]

I wish

[balmy condor]

Rupture for scent + energy mainly

[novel niche]

ok, swap only for rupture then return to spatter target?

[normal mist]

Thank you for this gem

[novel niche]

or, new question, can spatter be on multiple targets?

[fallow canopy]

no

limit 1

[novel niche]

oh gosh you're so right, thanks lol

[nimble tartan]

blue name sin player twinn

[nova kelp]

@main bridge

[blissful zinc]

Guys are you using rupture and garrote with mouseover to spread bleeds?

[nova kelp]

you can, but you don't need to

[blissful zinc]

Do you tab target instead? Or is it only a small dmg loss to just spam garrote and rupture into main target for spreading?

[nova kelp]

super minimal

using a mouseover would be "optimal" if you ULTRA care to minmax

I promise you though, you were totally capable of doing like 16s at least without ever bothering last season

[vestal wren]

blue hair, fancy

[opal sigil]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[grim jay]

Not everyone can have my steeled mental

[nimble tartan]

no i tab and let god decide

[fading elbow]

Do we enchant use the whetstone on both our weapons? And do we attack with our offhand weapon too or is it just a stack stick kinda thing? Sorry, I've only played hunter before so kinda new to this 😅

[grim jay]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[real onyx]

do we use crimson tempest on 2 targets still or is it higher now

[spice surge]

With bleed its on St

[nova kelp]

still use it on one

[fathom sandal]

Why is the one button rotation beating my sim dps?

[real onyx]

damn fr?

thats nuts its that strong

ty ty

[nova kelp]

note if you're bleed build like eleem said

[real onyx]

i am right

[royal lantern]

i kinda doubt that mate

[real onyx]

not me being dumb here

[nova kelp]

you are yes

so CT on 1

[real onyx]

tyty

[nimble tartan]

its cause blizzard made the game so obviously they know the best thing to press

[fathom sandal]

Ah ok, maybe I’m wrong stat weights or something

[royal lantern]

what

[nimble tartan]

your sim takes into account ur stats!

[main bridge]

Link sim

[fathom sandal]

Really ???

[nimble tartan]

yes!!

[spice surge]

Presumably youre hitting a dummy in perma execute or something

[royal lantern]

mate, you realise that a sim is on average a 5min dmg done

if you fight something for 30seconds, you ofc do higher dmg then your sim because your cds literally just ended

[zenith prairie]

Does one button even use cds

[royal lantern]

iirc no

[teal phoenix]

Anyone know a plater profile that brings assassi debuffs to a highlighted state? Trying to make them easier to track across big groups

[zenith prairie]

One button also won’t spread dots. But it’s dmg is kind stupidly high imo

[balmy condor]

you can enchant and whetstone both weapons. Poisons are character buffs and don't actually apply to your physical weapons. Ability damage is based on the weapon dps of your main hand so you always want the highest item level possible in your main hand (left slot on the character window), the offhand is kind of a stat stick, but you still auto attack with it, it just doesn't affect your ability damage directly, making it a very low-impact slot

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[royal lantern]

whisp/cevs plater both do it

[teal phoenix]

Awesome I didnt see plater drops on the wowhead link figured I'de come check here. Thank you.

[royal lantern]

blame whisp for that

[balmy condor]

[teal phoenix]

Seeing as I am using whisp's W/A and now plater... no I shan't do that.

[balmy condor]

I have to do a minor update to them for s3 still

but I also have guides due today

and need to record s3 video

[spice surge]

Bro too busy flipping coins

[nova kelp]

you dropping a new hair do today?

[balmy condor]

I am not

[shy axle]

[balmy condor]

idk when next hair color

[spice surge]

Video making takes too long because he just cant stop winning with the coinflips

[balmy condor]

I'll do something for s3

but idk what yet

it won't be on launch

[teal phoenix]

Uhh second question. How do you get out of combat with the target dummys with serrated going. Is it just a run away till it clicks out?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[shy axle]

grey because of the stress of the fatebound whispers

[royal lantern]

"allright and when the chain breaks"

heads

heads

heads

heads

heads

[balmy condor]

in dorn I usually go down the stairs until that crossroads pillar thing

and that's good enough

[nova kelp]

man likes heads

[fading elbow]

Gotcha, that helps a lot! Thank you!

[balmy condor]

np

[teal phoenix]

Well if you go into the city you can get all the way to coreway without breaking.... just a cool little annoying tip lol

[balmy condor]

yeh

because it's a debuff there's no "range" on it

the range is that you have to fully unload the target

if the dummy despawns from your game because it's out of render range

then it'll drop

[teal phoenix]

since im just testing how things feel and not going for numbers... gonna unclick that talent for now lol

[balmy condor]

[spice surge]

Well it does give you CP back when you rupture, so it does affect the feel

[balmy condor]

be lucky you aren't the one testing interactions and bugs with it during PTR

[teal phoenix]

.>

[spice surge]

Especially on aoe

[teal phoenix]

I... am less happy now

Here I was thinking I discovered a big brain strat.

[balmy condor]

it just fills your combo points once during the aoe opener

it's not that bad

[spice surge]

Its not hugely important

[balmy condor]

just imagine that you're getting combo points instead of having to fok

[novel star]

flying away from the dummy for like 10 seconds doesn’t really bother me idk

[nova kelp]

one time I tested my spatter on aoe
cops told me not to do it in public

[teal phoenix]

I can't mount to fly

[balmy condor]

what

[novel star]

that is strange

shouldn’t be the case

[analog idol]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[teal phoenix]

Maybe I touched the wrong dummy.

[novel star]

i mount to get rid of sbs like every time

[teal phoenix]

But he kept me combat locked no stealth or mount for ever

[novel star]

[obtuse robin]

Under or over that kb duration bug with fb tier is fixed on release?

[novel star]

prolly over

they said they fixed it. would be a pretty brave patchnote if wrong

[spice spire]

I don’t take these bets anymore

[obtuse robin]

[analog idol]

Is assassination ahead of dh in St?

[frozen glacier]

how many weeks of fun in m+ do yall think we will get before blizzard puts us 6 feet under

[fallow canopy]

Its m+ I won't have fun no matter the tuning

[royal lantern]

REAL

[peak helm]

How should one think about when to spread bleeds/ target adds during a raid boss that has adds to cleave like soulbuinder and forgeweaver? Like on one hand I could just keep sending the envenoms on the boss, but I know more ruptures means more energy to do that. Is it just based on how long the adds will live?

[royal lantern]

yeha, kinda

if adds die fast, rupture sniping one can be good for the quick energy boost

but for raw dmg, it tends to just be "stay on boss and cleave from it"

[peak helm]

got it and I read that caustic spatter is based on both how close adds are to my target as well as how close they are to me, is that right? Like if I'm standing at max range from the boss and the adds are on the other side of me, but close to me, will they still get spattered?

[runic hinge]

:quakestep:

[gritty laurel]

#assassination message

[royal lantern]

its 12y from your target

its only on very specific moments where the boss has a HUGE hitbox where it also cleaves from you, cus otherwhise it would not function at all

aka like gally

[peak helm]

VEry helpful image – thanks for the help!

[tall atlas]

which of the three specs atm is looking like the best all rounder?

[stone eagle]

do you guys think sin will be played on rwf or they going with sub? my guild is doing predictions and i'm not sure tbh

[runic hinge]

I'm gonna guesss sin for some and sub for some

[solar wyvern]

Theyll likely play sin if they play rogue at all on fractilus

[nimble tartan]

I can see them doing both

there is a world where they only play sub esp if the earlier bosses are easy enough and the harder bosses are the sub fights

[stone eagle]

yea, im kinda in the same spot

sub is just better in damage amp situations i guess

but if we have some kind of cleaving sin is better

[nimble tartan]

i mean thats forsure

[modern plinth]

Whats a good addon/wa for tracking rupture timers on all targets?

[stone eagle]

plater i guess

[normal mist]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[modern plinth]

I have Luxthos, but cant really see any timers for it

[coral ibex]

plater

[rain mortar]

I’m so scared I’ll like 45s KB and 1.6 min DM so much I’ll cry when we lose it.

[shy axle]

fatebound vanish usage is always just after kb in your cd window like the opener uses it?

[strange comet]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +20's or higher, you should play bleed
3. Even if you're doing higher, you should probably play bleed
4. No, Fatebound is not good, you play Deathstalker in every key.

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• 11.2/Season 3: Bleed has gotten stronger through some buffs and the single target damage you get from singular focus is ridiculously good with the tier set. During PTR testing many high end rogues were just playing bleed everywhere.
• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave build is mainly for boss damage (note: not prio, there is no significant difference in prio). Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and some bosses during season 2 were not possible on high keys otherwise. It remains to be seen what push keys in Season 3 will bring in that regard.
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal. Rookery is not in the rotation in Season 3, and there are a lot of AoE dungeons. Dawnbreaker might be a candidate, but unsure currently.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead outside of low target cleave and higher target AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage. At the end of the day, the builds are extremely similar, but Bleed is looking to simply be the best.

[sleek nebula]

sorry more general question than rogue but i skipped the entire last season, will this delve belt be used this entire season?

[peak helm]

no

[sleek nebula]

ty

[grim jay]

Still worth getting

Takes like 20 min

[sleek nebula]

mine's at 697 but dont like doing delves so i was hoping it wouldn't be relevant. how high can it get?

[grim jay]

701

You are one delve off

[sleek nebula]

sweet not bad then

i dont have the ability wowhead says to pick, is it a pain in the ass to get?

[grim jay]

Also 1 delve

[sleek nebula]

[grim jay]

Can do them on difficulty 1

[echo mantle]

Just do that delve on rank 1 and be done with everything. Super easy

[velvet pier]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[obtuse robin]

anyone got a good marked wa

so i dont lose where its at

[twilit cargo]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[twilit cargo]

does anyone know how the macro code is for a garotte mouseover and if no mouseover its target cast

[grim jay]

Thats a nameplate addon with a good setup, not a wa

[velvet pier]

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] Garrote

[twilit cargo]

thanks

[obtuse robin]

was lookign for this found it tho #assassination message

[grim jay]

Eww

[obtuse robin]

[grim jay]

Plater!

[obtuse robin]

teach me then !

[grim jay]

You can just use Whispyrs tbf

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[grim jay]

He has the important stuff in it, just customize from there on if anything doesnt suit you

[nimble tartan]

what else in it

i just need the dm glow ngl

[obtuse robin]

fr fr

[grim jay]

Click the link and it says whats included

[grim jay]

Nah you aint a basic bitch

Come on

[obtuse robin]

he also has the mobn that has spatter turns green

good one

[nimble tartan]

i have aui

so whatever he got i got

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/brother-gif-2221912588354205515

[marsh fjord]

Do anyone remember how much gilded a +7 gives?

was it 12?

[acoustic sky]

10 ?

i think

[peak helm]

10 yeah

[robust heart]

12

[peak helm]

10

for sure

[balmy condor]

9?

[marsh fjord]

it's 10 i just googled

😄

[robust heart]

damn

[balmy condor]

8 6 7 5 3 0 9

9 0 2 1 0

idk

[marsh fjord]

baby ring my phone number

[grim jay]

1312

[marsh fjord]

3 delves of tier 11, 21 crest. +4 7's is 60 gilded. in 12 hours time. must be doable

[tawdry root]

Are raidbot sims accurate atm?

Was just testing FB vs DS, and it says FB is more in ST on target dummy (which makes sense), but when I actually hit the dummy for 5 mins my DS dmg is way higher (also in both cases, my actual damage was higher than the sim)

I guess I could be doing the FB rotation wrong but seems weird to me since there’s actually less going on than in DS

[grim jay]

Wdym 12 hours

[marsh fjord]

got raid in the evening

on release

[grim jay]

Why shouldnt they be

[grim jay]

Oh, rip

Unless..

[balmy condor]

wie wärs mal mit deiner ADAC kontonummer du blödle

[balmy condor]

DS has more execute damage than fatebound, so if your dummy is just stuck in execute range, DS should be doing more

[tawdry root]

Idk, im dumb and don’t know how sims work/get updated and since it’s new patch was just wondering

[grim jay]

Ich habe kein ADAC Konto. Rufe meine Mutter an wenn ich mal den ADAC brauche, eine Mitgliedschaft gespart.

[marsh fjord]

also FB has really high variance.

[tawdry root]

Ohh that’s exactly it. Is there a way to have it not be in execute?

[balmy condor]

put down your own turnip idk

don't do it in dorn

or org

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-gif-turnip-costume-dancing-turnip-zamsire-gif-7265599230387567924

[balmy condor]

dorn especially

that city is a laggy hellhole

I'm convinced those dummies in dornogal experience so much server lag that they actually heal slower than all the other dummies

just out of sheer combat events slowing them down

[tawdry root]

Interesting, did not know that was specific to dorn. Thanks!

[marsh fjord]

i saw yesterday a video popping up you explaining caustic spatter in the rogue order hall whisypr

[balmy condor]

yeh, yet another incredible TWW feature

[balmy condor]

then it really is time to make a new guide

if people are pulling up amirdrassil PTR videos

holy hell

[marsh fjord]

hahaha i didn't click it. it came up recommended on my front page

[balmy condor]

yeh, but youtube wouldn't recommend a 2 year old video if no ones clicking it

which means someones clicking it

[peak helm]

Yes I will sponsor it for three fitty pls make

[marsh fjord]

Yeah true

or my youtube knows i suck at doing spattering

and i need help

[balmy condor]

I have guides due today video tomorrow hopefully or maybe late tonight depending on how fucked work is

[peak helm]

I pray work is the least fucked for you

[marsh fjord]

stop kissing his ass

[urban wren]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[marsh fjord]

he likes it more from the front

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-tongue-cat-licking-white-cat-cursed-cat-gif-27575167

[peak helm]

[velvet pier]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/445696315964260354/1094923437987876954/988854941814751242.gif?ex=68971aea&is=6895c96a&hm=ea67465143494a94f78e2fd5bd6b54ca2a0f71357fc79aea34fb59b4df5f48b6&

[spice surge]

I keep getting recommended the hecarim champion spotlight on my Youtube for some reason

[haughty flicker]

[dusky oasis]

best gems to use?

for sockets

[spice surge]

Anything r3 really

[royal lantern]

league recommendation

ouch

[frozen glacier]

go play some jungle instead of wow

[haughty flicker]

maybe hes a hecarim top enjoyer

[dense talon]

i have quazzi plater profile and it doesnt show hp bars when i am phasing. What option do i need to change??

[marsh fjord]

wouldnt this be better to ask in quazzi discord?

instead of a public rogue discord?

[thorn thorn]

Ask Quazii he is usually pretty good about fixing UI issues

[spice surge]

I mostly play mid or support even

Or well, played

[raw marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/goat-goatlele-tongue-tongue-out-lick-gif-21611200

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-suck-sucker-sucking-gif-13638182052461067209

[eager condor]

are sims still borked?

[marsh fjord]

no

[eager condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jWSG5RTHZHVgcqvy23oMdQ

what did i do wrong

[coral ibex]

no buffs

[marsh fjord]

sim yourself in top gear.

and sim yourself in FB single target.

[eager condor]

ok, ill give that a go

just seems wild because lock single target friend is doing 4.13 lol

[balmy condor]

don't compare classes with sims

it's pointless

[marsh fjord]

don't compare yourself to other classes

[eager condor]

hmm

[deep gyro]

This seems low doe at that ilvl

[balmy condor]

well it's low cause no buffs

[marsh fjord]

if you would sim yourself now against a demo lock it would say that rogue is absolutely dogshit

[balmy condor]

but comparing a rogue to a warlock via sims is just silly

[deep gyro]

Oh i can’t read

[eager condor]

less compare, more of just lets see what everyones simming at and i was a bit taken aback

[balmy condor]

yah

warlock sims are very high

[eager condor]

ahh ok

[marsh fjord]

just a top gear sim with FB ST and DS ST you will see. on FB ST im at 3.1 mill and on DS ST im around 2.7 mill

[eager condor]

2.179M DPS ds ST

checking FB

[balmy condor]

why are you running everything without buffs btw

not that it really changes any recommendations gear or talent wise

it's really just +%

[eager condor]

yeah

just to see exactly that

but i get your point entirely

[balmy condor]

but it makes it hard to talk about numbers you're getting vs everyone else

[deep breach]

our 4 set seems very nice this tier. or am i wrong?

[balmy condor]

the fatebound 4set is kinda meh

[deep breach]

for ds i mean

[balmy condor]

the deathstalker 4set is pretty okay

the 2 set is really good in aoe and kinda shit in st

the 4 set is really good in st and kinda shit in aoe