assassination

[keen mantle]

you have sub now not assa needed for dawn

[runic hinge]

So it is sub season

[haughty flicker]

i didnt agree with the cook thats just where the meme originated

[runic hinge]

I knew it

[midnight mist]

assa prolly the best spec in the game in keys rn but idk if you are trolling or not

[fallen arch]

!PLATER

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[keen mantle]

i thhink sub is better in dawn//streets/floodgate

floodgate question mark

can make assa work

[midnight mist]

flood?

ye

i wouldnt agree on flood or

idk

[keen mantle]

i mean its doing good

[midnight mist]

i guess you have argument for both

[keen mantle]

cause cds every pack

on high key

[midnight mist]

waht about outlaw casual

[keen mantle]

OOF

[runic hinge]

Big killing spree

[keen mantle]

you have cds every pack on outlaw too

KEKEKEK

[runic hinge]

[midnight mist]

xdd

[keen mantle]

outlaw need a fair 10% aura buff

and its good

[midnight mist]

ye

or revert bf nerfs

and it prolly is fine aswell

[keen mantle]

nah

st will be susske

still

idk

[midnight mist]

ye

but

at least you will do not dogshit aoe

[runic hinge]

Assa best spec in the game tho pretty crazy

[midnight mist]

ye

[keen mantle]

even with assa i have my concerns

cause of its st

[midnight mist]

eeeh

[keen mantle]

you will have to rly play everything around it

with team

[midnight mist]

when it does that much funnel and that much aoe

[keen mantle]

if s/o is without team literally play sub

no cap

[midnight mist]

you just play around it

Kinda like

Remember ww in SL

When it did litteraly tank st

But the biggest AOE in the world

[devout mist]

mah procs

[keen mantle]

ye i dont disagree that you just make it work no matter what

with some funnel it does good st on topp

its fiine

[midnight mist]

i mean even in s1 assa was decent casual

and it wasnt as strong as now

tahts for sure

[keen mantle]

oh ye

now its much stronger

[midnight mist]

it does outlaw st anyway

[keen mantle]

lowkey true

[runic hinge]

Zac you are so good at emotes

[midnight mist]

i know

[runic hinge]

R1

[haughty flicker]

[midnight mist]

master emoter fr fr

[runic hinge]

[haughty flicker]

new garf

yoink

[keen mantle]

game telling me to pplay sub

hm

[radiant raven]

Would be rude not to play Sub after the game told you.

[midnight mist]

outlaw trinkets ..

[haughty flicker]

[keen mantle]

ye mastery soo good on outlaw fr fr

[midnight mist]

i played hoc all season

[keen mantle]

imagine how bad other trinkets were

[runic hinge]

Knew it was a sub season

[marsh fjord]

I never had this bad of a m0 week with loot

out of 6 dungeons one piece i can use

[rotund oak]

its loot u will change in a week

[marsh fjord]

i know

But just saying

that its crazy how little i got

[brisk forge]

M0 is kinda time waste imo

[rotund oak]

its irrelevant

[marsh fjord]

i disagree really. if you get a good trinket and you raid the same time as m+ comes out. and your not really high on prio list of getting other trinkets in the raid

still can be beneficial

if it would be a waste of time people wouldnt be doing it

[grand trail]

I swear to God, if you post it one more time... something something

[keen mantle]

Don’t talk to me noob @grand trail

Just play better

[marsh fjord]

did you leather stack this week casual?

[real pike]

I did leather stack and all I got was some crummy boots

[devout jasper]

hey i just trying to play sub rogue before s3 begins, cause maybe i need to chence assa to sub for progress. But it seems doing low dmg then assa. I simmed that and assa sims 3.036 sub rogue sims 2.916, what i need to do for progress when season starts Do you think there would be much of a dmg difference between them if I played assa instead of sub?

[real pike]

The other rogue got a dagger 😭

[hallow glade]

Sub/outlaw is bis because everyone trades you the vers jewelry

[real pike]

Don't compare sims between specs that's not how it works

I forgot the command

[keen mantle]

Nah I’ll do 1000 m+ next week

[grand trail]

I have two legs shoulders waist two rings and trinket

[grim jay]

Crazy, where are you from?

I wouldnt survive 17.36 days long weeks

Must be build different over there

[lost wharf]

Are there any decent delve trinkets like last season or can I skip them this tier entirely?

[proper seal]

Does the wowhead guide mention Clear the Witness in the rotation somewhere? cant find it

[golden loom]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[vague dagger]

is there any tier set sims out yet for all classes?

[grim jay]

You wouldnt want to skip delves until 4p anyways

[lost wharf]

Oh no, I forgot about that... Fml

[marsh fjord]

why is that?

can you get tier out out of delves?

[lost wharf]

Because it can drop set pieces

[golden loom]

from vault yeah

[grim jay]

What uwu said

Ye

[golden loom]

so its very good to do 8 tier 8 delves this week

[marsh fjord]

Can it also drop tier even if you havent done the raid yet?

so its possible wednesday

to have 1 p?

[spice surge]

Yes

[marsh fjord]

damn didnt knew that

thats sick

[spice surge]

All rows can drop tier pieces

[marsh fjord]

yeah

[blissful pumice]

I don't want to stir up a hornet's nest, but do you think Fatebound could be better than Deathstalker? That would be interesting and bring a breath of fresh air to Assa. If this has already been discussed, does anyone have a link?

[golden loom]

!fatebound

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +20's or higher, you should play bleed
3. Even if you're doing higher, you should probably play bleed
4. No, Fatebound is not good, you play Deathstalker in every key.

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• 11.2/Season 3: Bleed has gotten stronger through some buffs and the single target damage you get from singular focus is ridiculously good with the tier set. During PTR testing many high end rogues were just playing bleed everywhere.
• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave build is mainly for boss damage (note: not prio, there is no significant difference in prio). Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and some bosses during season 2 were not possible on high keys otherwise. It remains to be seen what push keys in Season 3 will bring in that regard.
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal. Rookery is not in the rotation in Season 3, and there are a lot of AoE dungeons. Dawnbreaker might be a candidate, but unsure currently.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead outside of low target cleave and higher target AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage. At the end of the day, the builds are extremely similar, but Bleed is looking to simply be the best.

[golden loom]

fuck

well main point, you dont play fatebound in M+ but its very good in ST and probably playable on 4 or so raid bosses

[blissful pumice]

So we still play the bleed build next week? 😄

[golden loom]

yep

[blissful pumice]

sad i like kingsbane more (just for fun)^^

[grim jay]

6 ive heard

Potentially

[golden loom]

banger

[keen mantle]

Greece mountains

[hearty seal]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1402339140078665841/Dark_v2_1.jpg

[plush wasp]

what is a good gearing tactic for assa rogue week2? m+2 for some trinkets? any ideas?

[flat cedar]

Possibly an obvious question, but am I correct in saying you never need to press thistle tea by itself, you just macro it with shiv and leave it at that?

[marsh fjord]

Yes

[flat cedar]

Sweet, something I can take off my bars.

And when playing kingsbane, you only ever press cold blood with kingsbane

[spice surge]

Play as high m+ as you can as often as you can

[flat cedar]

And trinkets and everything else gets macro'd into death mark?

[left loom]

!wa

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[merry flower]

Hmm is it worth crafting the dagger week 1 or shall we wait?

[golden loom]

I mean in a world where you kill mythic 2nd boss first week and get a double dagger drop, but even then

dagger craft good 👍

[midnight mist]

You wouldn't upgrade an offhand tho

So crests goes wasted

i think everyone can at least afford to wait to kill 2n boss

idk

[spice surge]

Idk last boss is often rough

[midnight mist]

you mean hc ?

[spice surge]

Yes

[golden loom]

think you gain way more value of just slamming dagger craft asap and then if u end up getting a myth track dagger just having that un-upgraded in OH for the time being

[spice surge]

Obviously you could do second first, but it all depends on tuning

[midnight mist]

Well depends what you optimize for

It's an early spike at a time it's probably not needed

[golden loom]

what would even be the craft otherwise

[spice surge]

Ring or something

[midnight mist]

i think anything is better than oh basically

unless you are crafting cloak/wrist ?

[spice surge]

Thats the main thing, the worst case isnt even that bad

[golden loom]

I mean eventually you probably want wrist + dagger anyways

[feral wasp]

how this guy has this many crests,

arent they capped

[midnight mist]

hm why

[deft shard]

wtf

its 90 capped for me :(

[golden loom]

ascension is pretty okay

or well I mean all embelishments are whatever

[plush umbra]

iirc the rep rewards do not count towards the weekly cap

[buoyant herald]

Crests given as quest rewards (eg from renown) don’t count towards weekly cap

[midnight mist]

ye its like s2

Or s1

[plush umbra]

and I believe last season if you hadn't turned in the one time rep rewards from the old factions, they got updated to the new ones

so likely a character that hasn't actually played s2, but on an account with all renowns maxed

[buoyant herald]

This is why you make a new rogue each season

[wanton remnant]

Should we be taking the crit or mastery gem thing for the cloak

[buoyant herald]

Yes

[golden loom]

tbh tho the real season to craft dagger is so you have max gear for 2nd boss and get a 100 locked in on logs

[spice surge]

Either

[cursive smelt]

wowhead is down ?

[late tusk]

Do it looks like we are going to be meta again?

[balmy condor]

works fine for me

[balmy condor]

🔮

[late tusk]

thast not what i expect ):

[balmy condor]

tuning won't be done for another month-ish

in that time we might get a 10% nerf

no change

5% buff

some other spec gets a giga buff

dungeons might get nerfed

trinkets tuned

tier sets adjusted

who fucking knows

trinket tuning especially is still omegashit

there's specs out there atm that don't ever equip their 4pc

like idk what I'm supposed to say when stuff like that exists

balance's keeper tier just got obliterated and is a literal dps loss on both tier sets

[spice surge]

But the patch is out whispyr, how can it not be done?

[balmy condor]

templar 2 piece is a dps loss for ret

herald 4pc doesn't even fucking work

holy paladin legit doesn't have a tier

[subtle kiln]

We haven’t hit full NA beta test yet. Patience please.

[spice surge]

Surely they wouldnt push something weeks early when it wasnt ready

[subtle kiln]

[balmy condor]

and I'm supposed to say what's meta or not

like I'm sorry but please

I'm not a psychic

[subtle kiln]

if you can dream the meta, be the meta. It’s all in your hands.

[hallow glade]

https://tenor.com/view/saruman-palantir-gif-19765279

Whispyr consult the orb and please tell us a possible future

How many weeks until ||fire|| gets buffed

[safe wasp]

If you stacked a lot of chest at the end of the s2, they also give weathered crest.
By chests I mean rewards from theater/Undermine Surge-weakly quest/The machine/The light/... and they don't count on the cap !

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-eight-eightball-gif-10862050

[balmy condor]

the orb is in my ass please hold

I need to warm it up

[hallow glade]

i am afraid the orb will be somewhat less clear now

[balmy condor]

the orb has spoken

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1069654180232433724/1398444439780724874/a1c3vb.jpg?ex=68953460&is=6893e2e0&hm=5aff4dd658dea9ae32450e47da4ebd4787b8947c2e75b8525bf87bb694f86f51&=&format=webp

[jade abyss]

Buttplug?

[balmy condor]

no flared base

very unsafe

but fear not

I am a professional orb handler

people have been asking me to consult the orb for many years now

[frosty nebula]

you sound like that cat with the head waffle on the bench podcast haha

[balmy condor]

my voice is not even close to as deep as yumy

[fallen arch]

!plater

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[grim jay]

Psychic, psycho, whats the diff

[delicate trench]

!wa

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[spice lagoon]

thats how ive been stacking my shit thru rep awards

[spice surge]

Is it one of those medieval royal orbs with a cross ontop

[grim jay]

The cross is how its staying in place

Has coincidentally the same height as the depth of his crack

[late tusk]

I didnt want to sound roud, i mean, i like rogue, and it was more like a pray. Playing out-meta just tilt me when got no time to extra-large queues

[balmy condor]

Ye best way to avoid that is just don’t queue

Find some friends

Get a guild

Regardless of what you play, even meta specs will have to wait a lot of the time

If you’re pugging you’ve already lost

[brave comet]

so when we dont have teh new tier set yet, do we still play fatebound against FB bosses or nah?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[brave comet]

so right off the bat, FB even without tier is stronger in ST than DS thats crazy

[golden loom]

Last season there wasnt a vault for week 1 right?

[brave comet]

i thought it was the 90 second rotation that made it stronger

[brave comet]

it was the previous season gear

this season it drops season 3 gear instead of 2

[balmy condor]

The nearly 20% worth of buffs helps slightly

[golden loom]

Actually such a banger change

Even if I end up not playing these alts its fun to spam m0/delves

[pastel roost]

"Slightly"

[balmy condor]

Light tuning

[pastel roost]

Just a touch, a little adjustment

[balmy condor]

Yeah exactly

Like the reshii wraps getting buffed 187%

Very normal

Super reasonable

[golden loom]

Is first boss a IB boss or do you end up with spatter value in intermission

[pastel roost]

Expected really

[balmy condor]

Minor tweaks really

[balmy condor]

IB

[nova aspen]

make number higher

[golden loom]

Banger

[balmy condor]

Although I guess maybe you could cook some strat where you double grip or somethin

[pastel roost]

Is there a delve right now that is easier for rogue ? doing the underkeep right now, i want to peel out my eyelids

[balmy condor]

Fungal has been good

The new one in karesh is like 95% stealthable

[pastel roost]

I'll try that then, who knew doing 2 scripted wave fight with very littche chance to restealth was tedious for rogue

smh

[delicate trench]

We do not consume clear the witness when we are playing vicious venoms still right ?

[golden loom]

If it hits more than 1 target / can also do during lingering if u really want to

[ancient rain]

the new delve is by far the easiest and the most chill

just kill mobs until its over

[grim jay]

Unless you already have high rio

[real onyx]

does enven get dmg increased by shivc

i forgot

[normal mist]

Yes

[real onyx]

TY

So shiv before enven if poss?

[normal mist]

Ahm

Yesnt

Your Shivs have purposes

Not random send so you can envenom

[grim jay]

What royal means is

Read the guide first

[normal mist]

I was getting there, eventually :3

[real onyx]

So just use this chat for no reason the, gotcha

[normal mist]

Lol

[grim jay]

No, use this chat for stuff that isnt covered in the guide

Or questions that arise

More detailed help

News

Social interaction

[normal mist]

Depending on the build, you'll shiv during kb windows

[nova aspen]

also use this chat for garf spam

[real onyx]

Don't be cringe, ty Royal tho

[normal mist]

Or you'll use shiv to buff your bleeds and execute

Depends on the build really

Those things are well represented on wowhead, that's why we emphasize reading that guide

It's also helpful that the guide writer is one of the discord Mods

[lunar pond]

99.9% of this discord would be banned on EJ back in the day. Including me for making this comment

Don’t ban me please

[grim jay]

It has nothing to do with being cringe

You expect to be spoonfed Info that you couldve found out yourself in the time you wrote that question

Whispyr invested time into making the guide exactly for cases like those.

[grim jay]

Whats EJ?

[lunar pond]

Elitist Jerks. Class discord before it existed

[grim jay]

Oh I remember

Never seen it myself

But ive heard things

[weary stump]

You could say we'd be fatebound to be banned

[somber patrol]

!wa

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[thick juniper]

no questions here, just wanted to say good morning and thank you for your help.

[visual sun]

Are you really naked mr lobster

[midnight mist]

np

[thick juniper]

of course

how else would i be able to stab

[late gulch]

how big gain is the tier set for assassin =)?

[thick juniper]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1402339140078665841/Dark_v2_1.jpg

[grim jay]

That kinda says nothing, even less about the answer to his question tho.

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ocean ore]

ur right haha

[lyric gate]

fatebound angle ?

icant

[grim jay]

For ST yes

And smol cleave potentially

Just dont raid

[lyric gate]

didnt watched up new bosses but how rare is a single target scenario

[analog field]

we will play it for like half+raid

[spice spire]

[analog field]

but i think it's nice to be able to play both hero talents as a change

[lyric gate]

y

i appreciate that

[naive crescent]

Just raid as sub

[grim jay]

Now they only need to make both good

[analog field]

at the moment each has his place (yeah the idea behind them could be way better, but still )

[lyric gate]

1 mistake on sub and youre doomed

[spice spire]

I’d never be a bottom

[grim jay]

Ye thats what I meant

The enjoyment part

[naive crescent]

Just don't! It's that easy

[grim jay]

Wait until I pin you to the floor

[analog field]

tbh i had never tried fb till now, but i think the concept is nice although hard to implement correctly

[grim jay]

I dont see the nice part about a cosmic gambler

[spice spire]

Buddy I could slam you harder than I been slamming ur pops if you think ur cute German ass ever has a chance ur wild for it

[grim jay]

But thats subjective

[analog field]

conceptually i think it fits rogue

[torn dome]

what ilvl will vault loot be next week from m0's?

[naive crescent]

!up

[prisma monolith]

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[normal mist]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1402339140078665841/Dark_v2_1.jpg

[normal mist]

Oops

[naive crescent]

BEAT YA

[normal mist]

Gg

[torn dome]

tyty

[versed mirage]

So I know wowhead has like 4 different builds which one would you guys recommend going into m+ next week

[analog field]

bleed always

!bleed

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +20's or higher, you should play bleed
3. Even if you're doing higher, you should probably play bleed
4. No, Fatebound is not good, you play Deathstalker in every key.

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• 11.2/Season 3: Bleed has gotten stronger through some buffs and the single target damage you get from singular focus is ridiculously good with the tier set. During PTR testing many high end rogues were just playing bleed everywhere.
• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave build is mainly for boss damage (note: not prio, there is no significant difference in prio). Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and some bosses during season 2 were not possible on high keys otherwise. It remains to be seen what push keys in Season 3 will bring in that regard.
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal. Rookery is not in the rotation in Season 3, and there are a lot of AoE dungeons. Dawnbreaker might be a candidate, but unsure currently.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead outside of low target cleave and higher target AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage. At the end of the day, the builds are extremely similar, but Bleed is looking to simply be the best.

[grim jay]

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Thats us

Giant cuddles

Maybe a bit more hairy

[versed mirage]

Thank you

[brave comet]

do we know if the fourth boss in manaforge, forgeweaver is gonna be an FB or DS fight

[elfin fossil]

How much more st do we get with bleed build and the tier set?

[grim jay]

Sim it

Its stuff noone usually cares about

[spice surge]

The new tier set isnt particularly good for st for bleed no

Sin in keys is just gonna do very low st, thats how it goes

You make up for it with big funnel and big aoe

[elfin fossil]

Yeah, true, just wish we had a meaningful bursty cooldown so we could truly be melee arcane mages

[spice surge]

Deathmark

[fresh kelp]

Play sub

[royal lantern]

whoa whoa calm down buddy

[grim jay]

I know you feel the same way

[neat flame]

!up

[prisma monolith]

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[twin sierra]

Hey guys Im looking for way to get back to the target that has deathstalkers mark applied to it easily. Since Im using focus kick macro focusing the target I apply the mark to is not an option

[uneven marsh]

Why not using a macro like this one for kick :

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,exists][@focus,exists][@target] kick

Mouseover > focus > target

[humble verge]

FYI, if you have nothing going on with your life and got alts

get DF buff

and do WQs on main and alts

because apparently they arent warbound repped

[twin sierra]

Because I sometimes find it diffcult to hover over the nameplate in a 15+ mob pull. Also when Im not playing in pug Im mostly assigned to a certain mark to kick. So I focus and apply for example star to that mob pre pull

[golden loom]

think if u really wanna degen and farm rep

u can just do the pvp quest thingy over and over on new chars

or smthin smthin

[humble verge]

pvp kinda cringe icl

also its over

apparently

not even on my map

[potent dew]

is there a filter for Plater debuff tracking to stop the 19 debuffs rogues apply from all showing? I can manually do it but curious if there's a mod or something that does it for me

[spice surge]

I would recommend just not swapping of your target

[clever sparrow]

what socket for assa on cape?

should i go crit or mastery?

OR MAYBE HASTE?

[spice surge]

But you could also make the mob with the mark more visible in plater

[spice surge]

Either

Doesnt really matter

[uneven marsh]

Blacklist

[indigo mulch]

I look around on youtube and all i see are tierlists 😐

[spice surge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice surge]

Can yoink from these profiles

[indigo mulch]

The content creators sure know how to get dem views

[spice surge]

Thats what gets the clicks

[twin sierra]

so i garrote and rupture with mouse over?

[main bridge]

Unfortunately people not just click the tier lists but take them seriously

Seems bonkers but it happens

[spice surge]

Yes or just same target

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[weary stump]

Make tier list and put Aug evoker as best class, it's really that simple for ragebait views

[twin sierra]

but if I Im not swapping off the target i will always miss out on one Rupture or Garrote, correct?

[indigo mulch]

I mean nothing has changed lmao

[scarlet orbit]

@balmy condor Sorry to annoy you again 😄

On the singletarget rotation for If you click on fatebound and remove ma/imp gar to match the single target talent build from the guide you also lose any vanish line from the priority list.

[spice surge]

Yes, read through #assassination message

[indigo mulch]

it prob dosen't matter if you vanish when you don't have ma/ig

[humble verge]

wait

[spice surge]

It does as fatebound

[humble verge]

why are you adding cold blood

or is this FB

🤨

[twin sierra]

thank you

[indigo mulch]

Oh yeah fatebound

[humble verge]

so

is kyveza gonna be the delve "boss" this tier?

[hallow glade]

It’s a really fun fight

[scarlet orbit]

Its fb yes. If you click on the fb point it will check. CB Lightweight shiv MA and Imp. Also not sure if shiv is right there because shouldnt it be used before dm and how i read it it would be cast after dm with kb like as ds

[uneven marsh]

Yeah

[hallow glade]

?? has 1 billion hp so I will check again next week or so whenever I get tier

[humble verge]

1 billion?

not enough

[small garnet]

Weakness

[humble verge]

it only took me

19 tries to kill underpin

with 400m hp

[hallow glade]

Ok

[humble verge]

at max ilvl

i only died to ignoring cronys

[hallow glade]

Kyveza actually hits you pretty hard

[humble verge]

well

[small garnet]

Kyveza perfect raid warmup

[humble verge]

thats because youre undergeared

probbaly

[hallow glade]

Sorta

Kyveza has like 4 one shots

Every mechanic is one shot

[small garnet]

Kyveza oneshot me on a tank

[hallow glade]

And you have to react to them very quickly

Outlaw can perma live Kyveza at current ilvl

Assa just dies eventually though

[humble verge]

yea cause of gigavers and self heal

[hallow glade]

She also buffs herself every time she phases

But I have a myth bomb suit

[small garnet]

Glad they made her a delve boss

[hallow glade]

So I might try that

[hexed basalt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[small garnet]

Already loved mythic kyveza

My fav fight from nerubar palace

[spice surge]

Everybody did

Not even close to the second fight

[small garnet]

Dont think undermine had any bosses i liked tbh

[hallow glade]

What a difference between brood and Kyveza

[small garnet]

After a while stix was kinda fun i guess

[spice surge]

Undermine very mid ye

[humble verge]

bro didnt even like sprocket

[spice surge]

Theme was good but no bangers

[spice surge]

Nah sprocket sucks

[hallow glade]

Problem with sprocket is you kill it before the interesting phase

[humble verge]

= ure bad

[small garnet]

I hate sprocket my PC died

[hallow glade]

Also weak aura boss

[humble verge]

rip

[small garnet]

And then tbey got the kill without me

[humble verge]

weak aura boss

me when

2 weakaura bosses in a row

actually 3, since oab is kinda WA boss

[spice surge]

Annoying WA boss that also has weird gate timing and no good enrage timer for a st boss

Stinky

[humble verge]

did he even have enrage timer

[small garnet]

I have high hopes for manaforge bosses

[chrome mirage]

Man fuck the gate shenanigans on sprocket

[hallow glade]

I think he just had a giga fuck you impossible phase

[spice surge]

Not any relevant one no

[golden loom]

Mugzee only good fight in the tier

[humble verge]

enrage timer was the floating orbs

[hallow glade]

Mugzee was a bit soured by the bugs for me

[humble verge]

[chrome mirage]

Vexie was the best fight, and its not even close.

[spice surge]

Idk goals on mugzee were just not fun

[golden loom]

vexie is only good for the damage amp otherwise its complete garbage

[humble verge]

mythic gally 🤩

[small garnet]

Nexus king and soul hunters is gonna be peak

[humble verge]

me when i have to stand still

or move

[spice surge]

Gally was good, just a bit too long

And too easy ofc

But the first phase was good

[hallow glade]

I like the moving with the beam thing melee does

[golden loom]

gally on farm made me hate all of my fellow dps players cause they do too much burst aoe

[hallow glade]

But then you play it as ranged and they are just payphone

[fallow canopy]

Isnt it always?

[chrome mirage]

Can't wait for Fatebound on fractillus

[hallow glade]

Everyone was glazing fractillus but you can’t see the damn walls from melee

[spice surge]

In keys its almost always yes but in raid not quite so

[hallow glade]

Without turning your camera

[golden loom]

talking about turning your camera, the nexus king mechanic looks very fun

[chrome mirage]

Who needs to see the boss, he's stationary anyways

[spice surge]

Being the far players on sprocket for example sucks ass, and its mostly ranged

[fallow canopy]

yea sprocket it is intense for them

[hallow glade]

You need to watch arrows somewhat

[spice surge]

Bandit was way harder as ranged too

[hallow glade]

Or maybe that is ptr players trolling you

[golden loom]

thats what made sprocket prog so fkin boring

cause its piss easy as melee and ur just waiting for ranged to figure it out

kinda same for oab

[hallow glade]

Omg oab

The warlock pet being out of range 💀

I can’t

[golden loom]

sometimes you wonder why the entire floor is a puddle

and then its a ranged that never had it before

"wait I wasnt supposed to put it on a old one?"

[fallow canopy]

even tho RL mentioned several times that blizzard made it so that shit didn't fly

[strange python]

Heyo, quick question. I dont think I've seen a macro that is simular to Ambush:Sinister Strike but with Ambush:Mutilate ? I've tried rewriting it with the right abilities but it somehow doesnt register right. am i cooked or just silly

I played Outlaw last season so I figured I just ask

thats the rewritten macro

[steel cape]

Jo

[potent dew]

ambush replaces mutilate doesn't it?

[analog field]

you just use mutilate (and it turns to ambush) . Only when attacking from stealth it is needed

have the same bars on stealth and non-stealth and swap mutilate with ambush and you are gg

[strange python]

so no macro needed at all?

I see, thank you

[real pike]

Was the other way round on stix tho

[subtle crown]

Does anyone have a spreadsheet for % increase each tier set brings each class and spec?

[velvet mural]

this fcking brann pulling when in stealth

i cant

[analog field]

if you scroll up like 20 sec you will find one

[subtle crown]

Found it. Thank you!

[somber sparrow]

what specialization do you have him?

[velvet mural]

dps

[somber sparrow]

make him healer

[humble verge]

noway found naowh ❗❗❗❗❗❗❗❗

brotha doing mf visions

[velvet mural]

i gotta figure out what visions are

[humble verge]

you see

visions in your mind

pogga

[velvet mural]

is it a lot of grinding if i didnt ever do them

[humble verge]

well

if you do 5 masks

u can get champion weapons

from the vendor

[golden loom]

isnt it veteran?

[humble verge]

well, veteran weapons u can

[velvet mural]

the f are masks

[analog field]

no point in doing visions now though

[humble verge]

UPGRADE

to champion

[velvet mural]

veteran drops

[humble verge]

why not lol

its not like ure gonna get full 681 from m0

[analog field]

coz you will be doing m+ and delves next week and raid, and the head enchant is not working for s3

[humble verge]

yeah but like

if you want weapons

to be able to do keys

with alts

why not do visions

[analog field]

i mean doing 11 delves and getting a craft is way easier and will reward you with runed also and champion gear + a hero

[humble verge]

idk

doing 11 delves

at 600 ilvl

is hard

than doing 5 masks at 600 ilvl

[analog field]

at 684 i wasn't doing 5 masks easily tbh

[humble verge]

then u must do something wrong LOL

i am carrying 2 people

[analog field]

some bosses have these shit mechanics where you just lose 100 sanity

[humble verge]

at 675

[rotund oak]

Press ''N'' activate Sub,fly to the nearest delve

its 5min

tops

[analog field]

i am sure delves is way more efficient than doing masks but i cannot prove it

[humble verge]

no but like

if u do 1 5masks run

u get ACCESS

to weapons

that can be upgraded to champion

[analog field]

but you also need currency to use them no ?

[humble verge]

yes

[analog field]

*buy themm

[humble verge]

but you get like

3-4k currency from doing 5 masks

[velvet mural]

and how much is wep?

[humble verge]

500

[potent dew]

guys just admit you're not as good as Uberscot and that they're right so we can all move on with our day

[humble verge]

real

[velvet mural]

do i have to progress it like delves or can go straight to 5 masks

[humble verge]

nah, im just getting 5 masks boosted

[rotund oak]

if the currency didnt reset from vision

[humble verge]

i never did emLMAO

[rotund oak]

i can buy for 10 alts

[analog field]

you have to progress

[humble verge]

im borrowing someone to boost their alt

[velvet mural]

can i join

[rotund oak]

no

[humble verge]

already in one

Saj

[rotund oak]

btw delves can drop wpns as well

right?

[thin estuary]

U guys doing masks for weapon?

[humble verge]

yes

they can drop anything

[humble verge]

yes 1 run of 5masks to get weapons

[velvet mural]

and then w/e masks to drop vet gear?

[thin estuary]

Fair, should be easy

[velvet mural]

or was it nightfall

[thin estuary]

Both

[velvet mural]

whats the fastest delve? archival?

[humble verge]

fungal i feels is pretty frisky

atleast it was yesterday

[analog field]

fungal archival sidestreet are all kinda fast

[humble verge]

sidestreet feels so weird cause you cant really go up and down easily anywhere without being seen by all-seeing-eye mobs

[analog field]

the scenario with the shamans is really fast, but yeah some are not so fast

[frosty lake]

anyone smart, got some build ideas for rogues without any tier set, (not even season 2)

[spice surge]

Same

[analog field]

m+ ?

[frosty lake]

yeah M+ style/delves right now lol

[spice surge]

The tiersets dont change anything

[analog field]

probably bleed build but maybe switch to something more st focused for boss

[spice surge]

Boss should die not long after deathmark either way

[frosty lake]

i dunno bout that watched whyspers video saying tierset is why you play the coin build

[spice surge]

Just play bleed and youre good

[frosty lake]

bleed okay ill check it out

[spice surge]

Well ye but you explicitly said youre not doing pure st raid

In which case fatebound isnt relevant

[velvet mural]

delves are so gay

[frosty lake]

ye i figured thats why you said it didnt matter, i wasnt sure if deathstalker had some changes.

[spice surge]

Nop

[analog field]

also FB is still better than DS for ST no ? just not that much better without tierset

[gritty laurel]

whispyr was saying that in s2 gear it's about 5% average increase to play FB on pure single target this patch

[spice surge]

Correct

But he was asking about delves and m+

[gritty laurel]

yep

[frosty lake]

alright, the delve build season 3, is the bleed build.

[rotund oak]

always was

sub is far superior for delves though

just saying

[analog field]

even for trash packs ?

[rotund oak]

ye u dont kill anything than the boss

[frosty lake]

i got the signet this week, which pushed me into sin, maybe ill try sub for fun cause these delves are boring 4/8 for 8s

[rotund oak]

sub is so efficient

its crazy

stealth by.press sblades delete boss

go next

the time it takes for sin to clear 1 delve sub clears like 3-4

[frosty lake]

which delve, cause im gather gold in sidestreet lol

[rotund oak]

all delves,sub doesnt care

[brave comet]

im hoping this is what its gonna be for rogue the entire season

[pure moth]

Is arcane not good? 3rd on your meters.. I had 1 sub tank damage last night

[midnight mist]

you are doing m0s

pre everythign

[fallow canopy]

[midnight mist]

with the most casual players that ever set foot on this planet

[pliant remnant]

m0 heroes poggers

[marsh fjord]

[midnight mist]

bro really asked if arcane wasnt good

[analog field]

i mean it is an achievment to do 6mdps in m0

[brave comet]

i played with rank 10 paladin in one of the dungeons, i was doing super fine as well

[analog field]

i get like <5 everytime coz things explode

[midnight mist]

im not talking about you

im talking about the arcane comment

[brave comet]

ah

[drifting cloud]

Im sure bestkitten is a top tier mage zac

[midnight mist]

he can be r1 mage thats still a m0 anyway

[pure moth]

So its a crime to point it out ive seen 2 low arcane makes. Cool

[rotund oak]

its m0s it doesnt matter but fyi arcane needs some time to juice up magi etc

[midnight mist]

It's a crim to look at m0 and wonder about balance

[fresh kelp]

mage pugs are also criminally bad almost always

[frosty lake]

i did notice when the other 2 dps wwent afk i did 7 mill dps to the first big pull in dawn...

[marsh fjord]

Arcane mage does prio damage m0 everything dies in 2 seconds 💀

And not to forgot

They are capped at 5 targets 😂😂

[brave comet]

i mean do we know if this season is gonna be easier or harder than last season?

im kinda curious about balance wise

[analog field]

did they fix the cape going to 714 ? or should i do the campaign with my alt ?

[rotund oak]

the answer is we dont know yet

there is not enough data to evaluate but in general its expected to be about the same as s2

cant expect miracles

[midnight mist]

its moslty similar

[rotund oak]

yup spellsigner has more funnel sunfury is more execute

[midnight mist]

we were doing 19s/20s on ptr

some dungeons were way harder than others tho

like 2 keys level diff

which i get will get tuned hopefully

i delpeted a 19 dawn on timer with 0 death tho

so maybe smoe keys are gonna be tighter on timer and we wont be able to push as high

cause of dps

while this season it was more of a "cant survive anymore" type shit

[fallow canopy]

The smartest thing blizzard could do is that it is gonna be next week's cap so 🤷 its a gain for this week's m0 and delves ig

[midnight mist]

but they changed the scaling a bit going into s3

mobs have mroe hp

[teal patrol]

So it's bleed build only now?

[hallow glade]

not if youre pushing

[placid sparrow]

^

[agile geode]

I have a noob question, if i play fatebound, i dont have to worry about anything of the coins right?
I Just have to keep on my normal rotation or there are some minmax?

[placid sparrow]

from my understanding its rng

[acoustic roost]

Pins and whispyr made a 40min video going over it

[rotund oak]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[rotund oak]

wowhead

its good

[chilly sluice]

is bubbling wax still worth over whetstones?

[acoustic roost]

It never was

[placid sparrow]

is whetstone better than man oil ?

[spice spire]

Yes

[placid sparrow]

rip

that saves me gold ig

[humble verge]

wtf are the petals coming up at the bottom

[nova aspen]

its a toy

[humble verge]

pretty sure it aint

i dont have any toys on

or there prolly is one in dorno tehn

[nova aspen]

its someone else's toy

[tight ginkgo]

also had the effect last night in dorn, didnt see any buffs or anything

[novel star]

ur screen is just squeaky clean from blizz polishing the patch now that its live :)

[rotund oak]

still tanking?

hello btw

me love u

[spice spire]

Nah

I’m in rogue jail this tier

Tank alt

So I’m sure I’ll be in key prison

[nova aspen]

rogues don't end up in jail

just stealth out

[rotund oak]

lockpicking

[novel star]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-yoyo-white-cat-munch-cute-gif-309179445092426552

[rotund oak]

my gut says to play horde this tier(orc rogue)

[zenith prairie]

With bleed build do you ct single target

Or is it the same as s1 with 3+

[idle vine]

whats best thing to spend crests on this week?

[humble verge]

jesus

this has to be the highest SD crit ive had

[spice spire]

Nah I’m sure you had higher

[humble verge]

probably

but atleast one ive seen

[spice spire]

I’ve had higher and I’m straight garb

[humble verge]

lmao

[spice spire]

Hit a 39m on xav last season

[humble verge]

i killed that rare outside the first town

on campaign

[spice spire]

Had the juice tho

[humble verge]

in 13 seconds

LUL

DM didnt even ran out

[spice spire]

Dog I logged in for the first time in three months for 3 M0s last night

My ass has only done 4 quests

[novel star]

yeah

[humble verge]

there is one there at that mark

[zenith prairie]

Man single target feels so bad as bleed

[humble verge]

idk

it feels better

[marsh fjord]

Just tell your tank to bring mobs on boss and funnel

[idle vine]

whats best thing to spend crests on this week?

[zenith prairie]

Well it’s m0 so it dies fast enough it doesn’t matter

[split python]

For assassination, in a big pull of lets say 10 mobs, should i prio having garrote and rupture on EVERY target or just the intial spread from "Indiscriminate Carnage"?

[spice surge]

Thats just assa m+ in general on pure ST

[spring prawn]

just a couple afaik

[spice surge]

Atleast bleed has blindside so its got a couple of extra casts per minute

[lament pawn]

Can i use raidbots to see if its worth replacing tier set?

[gritty laurel]

after IC, you keep rupture on 5 targets for scent and only garrote main target

[late surge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stark halo]

anyone have a feel for how many bosses in the new raid will be ST? Just the first two I imagine, then we swap back to Deathstalker

[quartz apex]

Do we think its going to be bleed build for m+ or is the hybrid kingsbane is better at certain levels? Feels weird to not have kingsbane lol

[hexed frost]

Do you guys upgrade the gear on the go or waiting till the first vault/NM clear?

[dusk crane]

now I need that dopamine

[marsh fjord]

prob more. depends on how relavant the adds will be

[wise socket]

!bugs

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue

[wise socket]

did they end up fixing the kingsbane tier set bug?

[marsh fjord]

we dont know because nobody has tier atm

[wise socket]

ah yeah makes sense guess that was a dumb question lol

[marsh fjord]

but it wasnt fixed

just before patch went live on PTR

[wise socket]

yeah but ptr patch and live patch are often not the same are they?

[peak helm]

Anyone have talents for raid next week when we're still using last season's tier set? I'm assuming we run deathstalker for everything? I deleted all my talents from last season so not sure what to do for single target vs. cleave fights

[marsh fjord]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[marsh fjord]

can find them there

[peak helm]

oh the ones under liberation of undermine? I had only looked at the talent builds section which is updated for new gear I think

[marsh fjord]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMjZmhxMYAAAAAAY2glZAAAAAAottZmxMzMGzMzysNzMjZwwMzMmZz2YGADsAzY0Y2AZbAbA this is raid ST

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMjZmhxM2mBAAAAAgZDWmBAAAAAg22mZGMzYMzMLz2MzMmBDzMzYmNLjZA2MLDMglglhJwwCA this is raid with adds (cleave)

[hexed root]

I wonder which part in that changes from fatebound to deathstalker

[peak helm]

Someone had said not to play fatebound until new tier set

[marsh fjord]

Then he is wrong

and you should sim yourself

i have 4p of undermine

and i simmed myself and fatebound is 7% increase for me

[dusk crane]

is fatebound any fun? Idk the gimmick of fatebound

[marsh fjord]

Very straight forward

[potent dawn]

You just play and it happens

[peak helm]

Basically just do a simc export with both builds, same gear, and see which spits out higher? That makes sense. Thank you!

[marsh fjord]

yes

[peak helm]

You're a 10

[quaint spindle]

how do we feel abou tthis trinket

sounds good on paper

[jaunty cape]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wooden perch]

whats the fastest delve to spam

[marsh fjord]

sluicestreet

[icy geyser]

guys, does simulationcraft addon work for you? mine is up to date but when I do /simc nothing happens

and also opening it from the button doesn't work

[raw marlin]

cool ass hearthstone

also whats the macro for misdirect to always go on tank, doesnt seem to work

[weak plover]

You need a WA for the macro to work.

[raw marlin]

any ideas?

[weak plover]

Auto Tank Misdirect / Tricks | Wago.io https://share.google/L3RUIsqNzZMOhhidE

[dusk crane]

we only have to do it once at the start of a dungeon right?

or if we die

[golden loom]

assa doesnt have 1 hour tricks

our tricks lasts for 6 seconds

[coral ibex]

you have to press it every time you want to use it

[dusk crane]

wha?

[weak plover]

👀

[coral ibex]

um

[raw marlin]

r u serious?

[coral ibex]

idk man

theres no other way to say it

[dusk crane]

haha

[coral ibex]

tricks lasts for 6 seconds

[dusk crane]

i didn't know it was only 6 seconds on sin XD

[coral ibex]

you have to press it repeatedly for repeated effects

[golden loom]

since its a trickster hero talent 😎

[dusk crane]

oh lord

too used to outlaw I guess lol

[raw marlin]

HUH

[slow snow]

To be clear, when you press it you have 30 seconds to start attacking, then when you start attacking the redirection lasts for 6 seconds

[dusk crane]

welp, can someone tldr the usage as sin for me

[golden loom]

well its kinda dogshit

[slow snow]

Press it before every pack

[golden loom]

but u can press it and feel like it does something

but in reality

[coral ibex]

so if you want to redirect threat on a pull

you press tricks

i feel like ur overthinking this

[weak plover]

I mean .. the spell description is pretty self explanation

[coral ibex]

it couldnt be more simple

[slow snow]

It’s mostly so you dont pull aggro, it’s not great for giving the tank any extra threat

[coral ibex]

yea its a dead button if you arent running with a brewmaster

every other tank gets aoe threat without issue

[golden loom]

even then you will get meleed if you just open on a mob in melee range

[raw marlin]

no it allows me to ninja pull lol, goated button

[slow snow]

I have it as the same button as shield on mage. I press it before every pack whether it’s on cd or not. Just habitual

[weak plover]

You can use it mid pull too if people butt pull stuff and you don't want to get clobbered or if for some reason your tank isn't maintaining threat on priority targets

[slow snow]

Oh yes its great for boss fights with adds that spawn and need to be picked up by the tank

[golden loom]

I have it on a mouse button so I just press it before packs and whatever but most of the time it doesnt go off since
"this spell cannot be cast on a mounted unit"

[dusk crane]

#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/click AutoTankMisdirect

Do I also have to change the autotank section to say tricks of the trade?

neat

[coral ibex]

idk, the weakaura probably says what to do

[golden loom]

it autopicks tank

[coral ibex]

i think the button it makes is called AutoTankMisdirect

[golden loom]

but you can change it to whichever tank if you really care in a raid environment

[acoustic roost]

In the options menu of the weakaura you can tweak it as well if you have a certain tank you want to prioritize

[coral ibex]

"CAN YOU DISMOUNT YOU FUCK" - me to my tank before every pull

[golden loom]

but in raid its even more useless

[coral ibex]

bro sitting on his mount for the entire pull timer

[golden loom]

gotta play with VDHs

[potent dew]

does anyone have any recommendations for good assassination rogues the push high mythic plus?

[hollow pulsar]

someone know what is the best craft to use spark next week?

[slow snow]

Bear is the best cuz it works in their travel form 🙂

[coral ibex]

weapon

[slow snow]

Shindig / Chainbleed are goated

[weak plover]

Proceeds to body pull while mounted and just stand there getting beat on but not pressing any buttons 😂

[coral ibex]

always weapon first unless you already have a max ilvl main hand

[hollow pulsar]

691 both weps,

[raw marlin]

ok noob questoin as i swear its not working, how many mobs to fan of knives?

[main bridge]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[hollow pulsar]

so, should i craft wep first right?

[main bridge]

i recommend reading the guide also

[golden loom]

whats not working

[potent dew]

thanks

[raw marlin]

i feel like my fan of knives is hardcapped at 1 combo point lol

[acoustic roost]

Crit more 🙂

[golden loom]

just crit

[raw marlin]

soz will try harder

!trinkets

!trinket

!bis

[prisma monolith]

BiS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. On top of this, all stats being good on Assassination means there are currently over 500 "BiS" combinations that are within margin of error. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS from world content is especially not helpful, and we do not maintain any lists of these types. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character.

[raw marlin]

!givemeknowledge

[acoustic roost]

Wowhead my guy

[flat cedar]

So my rogue didn't do much in the last season and is only 650 ilvl, what's the best way to gear up ready for M+ next week? I have the cloak and belt, and I've done the weekly quests to get some 681 gear from the chests.

What else can I do? Does spamming delves work?

[raw marlin]

#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/click AutoTankTricks of the Trade

so is this the macro

or is it all one word ?

[quiet oriole]

M0

[raw marlin]

can also recraft 675 stuff with no sparks

[weak plover]

There are two macros there. I think it depends on your wow settings..

[waxen oyster]

m0, if you didn't collect weathered crests from renown npcs you can get those that dont count towards the cap.

[low rampart]

Do Ethereal Strands drop in tier 8 delves? ran 4 with no drops

[raw marlin]

nah i mean is it

#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/click AutoTankTricks of the Trade

or

#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/click AutoTankTricksoftheTrade

[weak plover]

But you install the weak aura and use whichever one of those macros work for you

[raw marlin]

cause the description is for misdirect

and im a rogue lol

[weak plover]

Chat. Am I being trolled?

[raw marlin]

wait

am i being trolled?

[weak plover]

The WA creats an invisible button called AutoTankMisdirect and the macro clicks the button

[raw marlin]

but i dont have misdirect?

[weak plover]

You can use this same WA/macro for Hunter and rogue

[raw marlin]

misdirect?

[waxen oyster]

dont misdirect the tank

[raw marlin]

not tricks of the trade?

[waxen oyster]

misdirect the evoker

[weak plover]

Bro. Tricks is just rogue flavor misdirect. The macro works the same for both.

[raw marlin]

even with the wrong spell name?

[acoustic roost]

Omg

[waxen oyster]

in reality tricks barely does shit

since our initial threat sucks

[weak plover]

It's not a spell name in the macro..

[acoustic roost]

There is no spell name

[weak plover]

You're calling a button

[flat cedar]

@raw marlin so, just craft a crap load of gear that will get replaced with champ or higher gear?

[waxen oyster]

Well yeah

[weak plover]

The button could be called whipyrhelp

[raw marlin]

well then it doesnt fucking work lol

[flat cedar]

@waxen oyster @quiet oriole M0 is on my list, but I think I'm a bit low right now

[acoustic roost]

User error

[weak plover]

Skill issue

[naive crane]

whats the fastest delve for rogues?

[weak plover]

Undermine

[raw marlin]

from copy and pasting?

[waxen oyster]

So make the crafted gear

[chrome meadow]

tak rethan

[hasty igloo]

What do you guys suggest to utilize second Vanish in the Bleed build with?

[weak plover]

Did you try both macros? Did you install the weak aura, do you have a tank in your group?

[chrome meadow]

tak rethan, stealth most boxes, couple packs, then boss

[acoustic roost]

Are you in a group with a tank right now?

[waxen oyster]

undermine is faster imo

[raw marlin]

yes

[weak plover]

Where is tak

[waxen oyster]

if it isnt box story for tak

azj

undermine delve is like 5 minutes

[raw marlin]

next to me

[weak plover]

Maybe relog. Or uninstall