assassination

[golden loom]

😎

after 7

[shy axle]

fb vanish usage is just always after using dm and kb+cb? or anything else

[raw marlin]

yh i liked it now i love it

[golden loom]

but you cant get it week 1 cause u need keys

[raw marlin]

this isnt even bad but i still think sin is better nah?

[marsh fjord]

and you dont use to keys you wait till week 2 to use them.

[humble verge]

yeah thats what i thought

but i was asking about non-bounty

anyways

[golden loom]

ye I was mistaken

[proper seal]

Are people mostly running fatebound or deathstalker on PTR?

[normal mist]

Both can be used

For different content

ST? Fatebound

Anything else? DS

[quiet oriole]

Check out whispyr new vid

[burnt venture]

Can you link, or is it the one from pins?

[marsh fjord]

You go to youtube

you type in

whispyr

click video

and done

[nova aspen]

how dare u teach him how to surf the web

if he wants to wait for a link let him wait

[marsh fjord]

hahaha

[frozen glacier]

[hollow talon]

Looks like fatebound not good for m+/more than 1 target so was thinking maybe sub is good again but will have to see when things are live and people are playing

[marsh fjord]

right now on dungeons where it's heavy AOE it's still Assa favored you just play DS

Fatebound is just designed for ST scenarios so raid

[night cipher]

How many of the fights are pure ST tho?

[nova aspen]

i think 2?

[marsh fjord]

Pure ST

But first boss has like a single add so thats also where you play fatebound

if there are like bosses with 2/3 adds fatebound can still be worth it

also the depends are the adds stacked or not

if spread out fatebound can also be played

[nova aspen]

does fractilius have adds?

[marsh fjord]

No.

[night cipher]

I’m gonna try that build on gally
Can’t proper damage adds anyway

[hollow talon]

Is sub still lower for m+/aoe

[normal mist]

We might play fatebound up to 5/6 bosses in raid

[hollow talon]

After 7 black powder buffs

[marsh fjord]

Depends on the dungeon, dawnbreaker sub is better then assa

[normal mist]

According to whispyr

[main bridge]

why?

[nova aspen]

its aoe is competitive, unless you chain pull

[marsh fjord]

Not a lot of consitent AOE

long boss fights

[main bridge]

ooh

[night cipher]

There will be phys comp routes. It’s ok

[marsh fjord]

has nothing to do with phys

[nova aspen]

so yea dawnbreaker where ur hopping around constantly sub will be nice

[marsh fjord]

its just how the dungeon is designed

also one of the tavaesh dungeons

the longer one

is a sub dungeon

[night cipher]

We can treat it like rookery
And play the kb build

[marsh fjord]

You can do whatever you want. im just talking about the complete extreme

if you are doing like 18s/19s in current tuning

with every spec in the game you can complete this dungeons

[night cipher]

Yeah, it’s ok, I saw your direction. Was just justfying for myself and probably more to stay assa and perfect that gameplay instead of jumping specs that need diff secondaries

[velvet mural]

offtop: can i disable right chat in elvui and make it that everything appears on the left one?

[nova aspen]

noo wayy, even AUG?

[marsh fjord]

even aug 😄

[marsh fjord]

you can stay assa

[night cipher]

I’ll pop the good news to mom and wife. Cheers

[normal mist]

Cheers

[cunning crystal]

Is assa or sub going to be better for starting out through low to mid keys like M2-M12? I have an old rogue alt I'm thinking of picking back up for season 3 and gearing but I'm afraid a lot of these tier lists and talent guides are based on like the highest level keys

[quiet oriole]

https://youtu.be/2kQzrwLEY0g?feature=shared

[marsh fjord]

My qeustion would be. if you doing these type of keys right. why does it matter if you play assa or sub

just play whatever you enjoy

both are pretty close to each other

[nova aspen]

oh look there's link, literally

[marsh fjord]

[night cipher]

Click on Link’s link

[cunning crystal]

It was more like, in these lower keys is assa actually not viable because mobs don't live long enough.. kinda like with other spread AoE classes

[normal mist]

Actually...

[copper hazel]

play both

[normal mist]

That's dumb

[marsh fjord]

Assa or sub are both viable

[copper hazel]

try it

[velvet mural]

how do i make this dimmed rectangle disappear

[umbral sigil]

stop using elvui

[marsh fjord]

I would suggest going to the elvui discord and ask there bro

[normal mist]

Low HP mobs and sudden demise go hand in hand

[marsh fjord]

yeah but if you doing so low keys why does it matter really.

[normal mist]

You just blow them up

[umbral sigil]

should be in the general settings? its under "bottom panel" or something like that

[marsh fjord]

just play what you enjoy

[normal mist]

Basically yeah

[marsh fjord]

i never played sub i enjoy assa to the fullest. i couldnt care less if assa is at the bottom or the highest DPS

i just play assa for assa

[cunning crystal]

last time I played rogue, Outlaw was king.. so was just curious. I get the "play what you want/like" thing. Just looking at different classes this season from my usual pally/DH combo

[normal mist]

@cunning crystal up to 12s as you mentioned, you can play with your monitor off with any spec and you'll clear it in time

[hollow talon]

[marsh fjord]

You can even play outlaw if you want

[hollow talon]

outlaw is good these days for speedrunning carpal tunnel

[cunning crystal]

Honestly, its part of the reason I moved on from rogue.. I felt like I was hitting 1000 buttons to do the same dps as my DH did

[normal mist]

Rogue or outlaw?

Because that ain't assa

[hollow talon]

outlaw was good in SL and DF

these days the apm is just ridiculous

[normal mist]

Assa heals your wrist

[burnt venture]

Thanks boss 🤘🏻

[hollow talon]

my wrist hurt so much after raid nights

[marsh fjord]

amen

assa heals your wrist and your heart

[normal mist]

Numbers don't lie

[cunning crystal]

moved on from rogue.. outlaw was all i played, and it was DF times, and I just moved to a different class instead of trying out the other rogue specs

[normal mist]

Excellent opportunity to try another rogue spec

[cunning crystal]

heard good things about assa though, so picking my rogue back up was towards the top of my list for season 3

[hollow talon]

ass is good

[marsh fjord]

Assa is really cool. you bleed some targets. press cooldown. spam envenom and watch them die and do a lot of DPS

[hollow talon]

doesnt hurt your wrists and is fun

[normal mist]

And look cool

And between mutilates you can talk with the boys here

[cunning crystal]

all of this sounds appealing haha

[west crown]

Assa is slow in st, like any other non haste spec in aoe

[marsh fjord]

I wouldnt say it's slow. but it isnt fast either

[cunning crystal]

I should also state that I am a fairly casual player these days.. I just run M+ mostly, dont raid. Was running 13's as my top keys in season 2

[marsh fjord]

Yeah can do whatever you want mate.

watch some video's and see what you like the most

[burnt star]

Assa in key is chill

[warm vortex]

Assa is like

on a scale from 1 to 10
1 being actual wow talk and 10 being general chat

It's lke a 7

[burnt star]

Specialy bleed build..

[worldly nebula]

assa bleed build is giga based

[burnt star]

Spread rupture garrote out of stealth. 1 little aoe.. and u top damage

[warm vortex]

Idk i kinda prefer enven spam but that might be all the fumes i huffed

[worldly nebula]

Just tell your tank youll touch him gently if he lets you restealth properly

[fallen charm]

WDYM assassination's bleed build is the hardest dps in m+

[burnt star]

Use the meld potion as a dps potion 😅

[fallen charm]

you gotta click the non-doted nameplates

tell me another class that needs to do that

[burnt star]

U click??

[warm vortex]

I mean

BM

[burnt star]

U dont even need to do that...

[worldly nebula]

main target and itll do its thing

[warm vortex]

But yea, mouse over

[worldly nebula]

cba for more

[warm vortex]

I mean if it's 6 targets

[fallen charm]

6 targets you don't even swap

[warm vortex]

It's better to mouse over as you get 6 bleeds not 5

[fallen charm]

I mean 20 targets

also if anyone didn't understand, I was being sarcastic

[warm vortex]

Yea ik

I'm not that stupid
Or

well i am

But that's not the point

[arctic bear]

!wa

[warm vortex]

Moroes you slacker

!wa

[arctic bear]

D:

[main bridge]

Moroes vanished

again

typical rogue behavior

[fallen charm]

blizzard are not taking any chances with these patches updates again hum

ever since they said that one shadowlands patch was getting out at 1pm and got to reschedule every hour until 7pm

[hollow talon]

what can we do today, m0s and cloak quest?

[warm vortex]

Acc no

whisper is moroes

Whispyr you slacker

[fallen charm]

yup

idk if hardmode tasavesh will also be out

[cunning crystal]

Is there a creator or a good video yall would recommend me watching to get a feel for lower key assa gameplay/rotation info for season 3? I'm assuming bleed build is what to go with in mythic 12's and under.

[main bridge]

!bleed

oh right

[warm vortex]

Moroes you fucking suck ass

@prisma monolith

[main bridge]

but basically yeah play bleed unless you're doing 17+ keys

even then people have played bleed in 20 keys

i like shindig videos also

[warm vortex]

I told him

he should be back in a moment

[quiet oriole]

Other then ST bleed feels good man

[normal mist]

With bleed build your job isnt ST anyway

hehe

[cunning crystal]

I'm more looking for the right way to prio a target but spread the bleeds on each new pack fight. I'm not super familiar with assa talents and what does what. For M+ is it tab targeting every mob on open for a like 6 mob pull? or is it just hit main target and talents spread the bleeds for you?

[main bridge]

you might want to consider a mouseover macro for rupture/garrote

also recommend checking out the wowhead guide

it has an area specifically about this

[cunning crystal]

cool, reading it now

[normal mist]

from a casual to a casual, just garrote / rupture the same target during ic and call it a day

it has smart prio so it will always prioritize targets that aren't affected by your garrote rupture (outside of your main target that you're just reapplying)

So you'll spread 3-2-2

[cunning crystal]

ahhh, this is the info im looking for, thank you! So just repeatedly hitting the same target with garrote and rupture during the initial IC window will spread it all. The smart prio I did not know about

[peak helm]

the mo is nice because you either a) get it on a target that doesn't have ruptre/garrote so you apply three new ones or b) you accidetnally get a mob that already has it and that's basically the same thing as applying it to the mob you were targetting

[normal mist]

Yes! JUST KEEP IN MIND that you spread 2 + main target. So the target you have will always get 1 of the 3 spreads

[peak helm]

#showtooltip Shadowstep
/cast [@mouseover, exists][@target, exists] Shadowstep

That's the macro, but use it for garrote and rupter

[normal mist]

some people min max and target swap during IC

[cunning crystal]

This all makes a ton of sense... appreciate the info!

[normal mist]

Glad we could help

[umbral sigil]

Wheres Whispyr i have maplestory questions

[normal mist]

probably working

or sleeping

[umbral sigil]

I didnt think we allowed that

[astral plover]

i see alot of the highest RIO Sin rogues. use a diff build than shown on wowhead

[main bridge]

yeah in the highest keys cleave/hybrid is more popular. this is also detailed in the wowhead guide

[normal mist]

Theres also a reason why

because they are doing content where the bosses tend to be the problem

and for bosses to die they need ST

moroes might be down

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/war-within-season-3

[spice surge]

But for s3 bleed seems to do way more overall

So the st gain is not worthwhile anymore

[normal mist]

GOOD

[main bridge]

that is good news

i like bleed

[sleek ember]

Bleed is soooo smoth to play

[spice surge]

Arterial stronk

[coral ibex]

W

death to cleave

[tight ginkgo]

Artie

[spice surge]

Idk there might pop up a cleave build thats still using arterial, but well see

Bleed banging anyway

[tight ginkgo]

love 2 press shiv is tattooed on my knuckles

[kindred breach]

guys is it worth to farm bullions for house of cards rq before season ends if we dont have it? I never took it since i got the priory one on myth early

And now i have no option for 1m30 cooldowns so i was wondering if thats a thing or is it worthless

[raw marlin]

Any bosses where you’d just outright give adds to someone else and just ST as fate kind for boss damage anyway?

[main bridge]

why not? it's very easy to get

you can spam LFR even if you are saved

[tight ginkgo]

my hands look like this btw

[raw marlin]

Sexy

[kindred breach]

Yeah thats why i was asking, just to make sure there wasnt any on release nerf hitting it that i would have missed

[lethal arrow]

Ask in the MapleStory chat

#1372478130568171531

I'll cover them

[pliant remnant]

I mean...there is an on release nerf

[umbral sigil]

good looks, didnt even know that was there

[pliant remnant]

but it's not like they're deleting it from the game

[kindred breach]

Yeah I mean makes sense who would want to play a previous trinket for an entire season.... right?!

[kindred breach]

Ty dude guess i'm on farming duty tonight

[pliant remnant]

[marsh fjord]

Depends really. do you want to get logs or not 😄

there will be fights where you can just sit on boss and do boss damage with fatebound and let people kill adds. but you will log terrible ofcourse. but good for progression?

[versed cypress]

Sorry for the dumb basic math question but I have trouble with spells that have multiple charges. How many shivs can I use in between each deathmark window?

[normal mist]

2

[dense cedar]

tho tbf that log would only look bad to idiots

[pliant remnant]

32

[normal mist]

fat finger

[dense cedar]

300 shivs

[normal mist]

you always save shivs for KB

you want to use both shivs on KB

[versed cypress]

I'm thinking M+

Sorry for not specifying. But yeah

[normal mist]

I believe i'm still not wrong about it

IF you're playing KB you wanna buff that KB

for the splash dmg // ST

[versed cypress]

I think KB is not used in M+?

[normal mist]

depends

[nocturne quail]

well

[normal mist]

But in this case you're talking bleed build i assume

[versed cypress]

I'm completely new to rogue btw so I have 0 clue what I'm talking about

[iron carbon]

You believe right my friend

[winged widget]

with bleed build, will we still maintain CT on single target?

[iron carbon]

Correct

[versed cypress]

I'm just going off the wowhead build that does not take KB

[iron carbon]

You prolly need to read the build section

[nocturne quail]

this called bleed build

[iron carbon]

Cuz there's 3/4 builds possible

And only one doesn't take kb

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps#aoe-priority

[versed cypress]

So far I've seen the poison build with amplyfing/KB and the bleed build. I guess yeah I'm referring to bleed build. I was asking because I was reading through the rotation section and shiv usage

And how you must use both shivs in the deathmark window which led me to my question

[remote knot]

This confused as me as well . Hopefully you get an answer

[normal mist]

Saving shivs for DM increases your ST on bosses

saving shivs for AoE increases your overall damage

Your choice

our ST is low anyway

[spice surge]

You get 4 shivs during a 120 second window

Thus you can use two of them outside deathmark

[versed cypress]

You can use 2 shivs in between each deathmark to still have 2 charges up for your next deathmark. If you're playing bleed build with no KB there doesn't seem to be any particular window where you may want to use shiv outside of deathmark. That's my understanding so far.

[coral ibex]

you would prefer to just sit on it for 30s?

[spice surge]

When you dont need to refresh bleeds and or during execute

[remote knot]

In m+ aoe, is it the same? To hold ?

[spice surge]

Yes

[coral ibex]

no bc bleed build shiv hits 7 targets no?

[remote knot]

Okay appreciate it. That makes sense, thank you

[coral ibex]

it does increase aoe

[versed cypress]

"Saving shivs for DM increases your ST on bosses
saving shivs for AoE increases your overall damage"

[coral ibex]

even if you only have 1 shiv, there are 2 shiv windows between DMs

you play this in bleed build

theres no reason to hold shiv ever

even with 1

[normal mist]

the only thing that CAN happen is that sometimes in low keys is actually hard to send a good DM

[versed cypress]

For applying poisons in aoe, are crit FoK the only way of doing it?

[spice surge]

Fok

[normal mist]

sometimes i see my dm just sitting there and no good target to use it on

[versed cypress]

Is that even something I have to worry about?

[spice surge]

Doesnt need to crit

No

You shouldnt be tracking it either

Just clutter

[versed cypress]

Ok

So can I just safely assume poisons will be applied to all mobs all the time?

[normal mist]

basically

you dont really think about it

you'll FoK anyway

[marsh fjord]

I dont even track my poisons on my plater either

[versed cypress]

Should I avoid pressing buttons below 100 energy as much as possible

[marsh fjord]

Only thing i track is Garrote/rupture/CT

[normal mist]

not really

in AoE its basically impossible to be below 150

[marsh fjord]

No. in aoe your always full energy and in ST. it's a small gain to try to stay above 150 energy

[normal mist]

in ST you CAN try but it isnt worth it

[versed cypress]

I see

[coral ibex]

staying above 150 is the lowest priority thing you can do other than spam envenom

[marsh fjord]

^^

[coral ibex]

its below generating cp and maintaining all bleeds

[versed cypress]

Should I refresh garrote with vanish after a deathmark even if garrote it's not in pandemic (so override it)

[coral ibex]

so if you have built to 5+ cp, none of your bleeds are in pandemic, and you dont need to consume DN, you can sit and pool

otherwise, if you need to fulfill any of those

you ignore sanguine

[spice surge]

What, ambush has nothing to do with garrote

[versed cypress]

Sorry, vanish

[cunning crystal]

you use a specific plater profile or wa for this? Or just the standard debuff tracking on nameplates?

[marsh fjord]

I made my own plater profile

[spice surge]

Standard blizzard nameplates are horrendous

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[cunning crystal]

baller

[marsh fjord]

I also like to track my bleeds next to the healthbar instead of on top of it.

Like casual

I dont know if you know him

[cunning crystal]

I usually use Jundies plater profile because im used to the color coordination for interrupts/target prio in M+... switching off that may be tough

[spice surge]

So does whispyr

[marsh fjord]

Yeah. jundies is good indeed. but you can fiddle around with the debuffs and what you want to blacklist

[spice surge]

But you can also just copy the buff section or the scripts or whatever

[cunning crystal]

Nice.. will look into that

[spice surge]

Jundies lists all of his stuff seperately on wago

[grand trail]

jundies plater is good, he is rogue main too

[spice surge]

I have my own plater but i just copy his colours and important casts every season

So i dont have to redo all my settings

Its really nice

[grand trail]

i use to do that, than i realize its just easier to play his as whole for me

[cunning crystal]

Wonder whats easier.. altering the Jundies profile i have by adding the debuff tracking like someone like Whispyr uses.. or vice versa. Dont have a ton of experience altering plater stuff

[spice surge]

Whispyrs profile should already have the jundies colours

[gleaming crown]

Assa sims in dungeon slice seems quite buggy...

[normal mist]

how come

[gleaming crown]

For the next season I mean

[normal mist]

yeah but how

[versed cypress]

What does this mean? That deathmark is counting 2 garrotes as separate bleeds?

[wicked zodiac]

you guys have the spreadsheets for all 3 specs?

[normal mist]

no

[gleaming crown]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spice surge]

During deathmark all of your bleeds are doubled

[normal mist]

when you press deathmark, your applied bleeds OR bleeds you apply during DM are duplicated on the target

[wicked zodiac]

so are going to Fatebound?

[normal mist]

depends

what content

[wicked zodiac]

raid

[normal mist]

depends

[gray raven]

are the boots from the raid that boost the leg cloak still a thing or did that get axed?

[normal mist]

ST? fatebound yeah

[versed cypress]

Yes, but why does it say duplicate TWO garrotes? Wouldn't it just be duplicate garrote. The wording makes it seem like you can have two separate garrotes beind duplicated

[wicked zodiac]

i never play fatebound

[normal mist]

Me neither

[wicked zodiac]

f

[gleaming crown]

Seems like in plus as well

[normal mist]

not really

You stay DS for M+

[gleaming crown]

oh true ya

[normal mist]

but i'll use whispyr words:

!fotm

[prisma monolith]

FOTM Info

• Fatebound is not playable in any AoE situation, and ESPECIALLY not in Mythic+. Don't bother.

• Tuning is nowhere near done and realistically won't be until mid-September; unless you enjoy playing rogue there is no point in you rerolling at this time, we don't bring anything impactful (e.g big aoe stops/party buff) to the group

• PTR sheets and PTR sims are borderline misinformation with how rapidly things are changing and most sims are not currently updated at this time. Again, this will fix itself as we get deeper into the patch and things solidify, but judging a reroll off of PTR tier lists and random sims or seeing one guy pump super hard on a stream is not indicative of anything.

[rustic thunder]

I thought DS would feel much shittier to play than it actually is

[normal mist]

Once you get used to the mark

its pretty chill

[rustic thunder]

like it's still annoying but tolerable

[versed cypress]

With rogue being the 2nd lowest played class I wonder how much fotm rerollers rogue has

[normal mist]

way too many

[rustic thunder]

but only for assa, no?

[normal mist]

Especially after tier lists

[versed cypress]

All tier lists placing assa in S+ tier

[normal mist]

EXACTLY

[versed cypress]

I am honestly just learning assa because sometimes I will need a break from outlaw which is the spec I want to play. I just don't want to get carpal tunnel syndrome

[naive crescent]

yeah, tell us your thoughts on that Mr."Joined July 31"

[rustic thunder]

was there any point in the game's life when people would reroll into sub lmao

[peak helm]

Let's hope a ton. They'll make it easier for me to parse 99

[versed cypress]

I am not rerolling because it's fotm lmao. I couldn't give less of a shit about meta. Rogue is the only spec I haven't played ever and I want to try something new for a change

[rustic thunder]

same bruh + i thought deathstalker was just an enormously bad hero talent. not so bad, i wanna mix things up for myself and not play sub or outlaw for this tier as much

[naive crescent]

The fotm rerollers alwaysssss have a response

[rustic thunder]

the fatebound buff got me thinking about playing assa actually, and then after spending some time on the dummies with DS it turned out to be ok-ish

[versed cypress]

"That's what a fotm reroller would say"

[azure dirge]

Bro you're on a war path today and I'm for it

[rustic thunder]

i thought i wouldnt be forced into playing DS and then I liked DS as a result

[versed cypress]

I understand the feeling. I've been playing enhance all my life and was pretty annoyed during S1 lol

[royal lantern]

they come, complain for 1 month and then leave

[rustic thunder]

they prob get annoyed their class discords aren't as detailed as this one

[normal mist]

And that we aren't as toxic as people seem to think

[versed cypress]

As much as I am ashamed to admit I am way too hipster to play popular specs. I always prefer to play the least played classes

[rustic thunder]

same

always choose the underdog

playing ret is cringe

[naive crescent]

TRUTH

[marsh fjord]

What time does the server go offline in EU again before maintenance?

was it 02:00?

[normal mist]

usually 2am?

i guess

[naive crescent]

biggest barrier to leaving rogue, having to use either class discords which have 8 different channels for one spec or one for everything and both formats suck

[rustic thunder]

lmao this is so true

[marsh fjord]

Never leave rogue

[buoyant mauve]

bro picking up an alt is always followed by disappointment when I look to see if there's any extra info in pins

[compact bobcat]

Evoker discord is BIS

[rustic thunder]

LMAO 100%

[versed cypress]

"discussion"
"questions"
"faq"
"theory crafting"

[normal mist]

I've heard good things about evoker actually but never really checked their discord

[naive crescent]

or "feral" with 0 pins and 0 other information and a billion cat gifs

[rustic thunder]

i would go into other ones and be like joe pesci

[compact bobcat]

They have the benefit of only being a few years old

[rustic thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-is-this-piece-of-shit-joe-pesci-gif-8346689911295826250

[versed cypress]

I don't know who whispyr is but those are some detailed pins

[void pecan]

Feral discord is actually the worst

[normal mist]

Lets also be honest, this channel, unless someone asks a question (which is usually followed by 1000 people linking guides, asking for logs, overall answering the question), is a offtopic 24/7

[normal mist]

our wowhead guide writter and Theorycrafter

and a twink

"HIYA"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kQzrwLEY0g

[versed cypress]

Do they make videos or nah

[normal mist]

in case anyone wants to play fatebound

1 step ahead of you

[naive crescent]

"wants to play fatebound" first time thats ever been written in #outlaw or #assassination in 3 patches

[royal lantern]

"spec raid"

"spec M+"

and both have people saying random stuff

[rustic thunder]

the only time i've seen video guides as detailed as the ones for rogue was when Preheat started doing his mage guides (especially the arcane one)

[versed cypress]

I was actually so sure rogue was the one class i wasn't interested in playing. All I saw from rogues was "hero talents are garbage, full of bugs, please rework" etc.

[rustic thunder]

they are pretty garbage compared to some of the other ones tbh

[normal mist]

^

[rustic thunder]

but that doesn't matter because it's rogue

[royal lantern]

i mean

rogue hero talents ARE absolute garbage, full of bugs and need reworks

[tight ginkgo]

rogue fun tho

[compact bobcat]

What’s the over under they get reworked going into 12.0

[versed cypress]

But then undermined came out, I wanted to make the most goblin character ever but since tinker is not a class (yet) and I would rather eat dirt than play hunter, rogue was the only option

[royal lantern]

but many things about rogue are extremely exaggerated for no reason or based on missinformation

[rustic thunder]

like compare any rogue hero talent to something like deathbringer lmao

[gritty laurel]

i'll compare DN to any other hero talent

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/so-good-wink-smile-oh-yeah-its-true-gif-24163876

[raw marlin]

bro i dont care for logs, i end every season with like 98+ logs anyway as im a fucking giga chad 12 inch swinging to the left chad

[rustic thunder]

tbh they should consider at least some level of a rework for at least two rogue specs

[marsh fjord]

Change your name to Mr. Curved

[rustic thunder]

or rework the hero talents altogether and give them more spice

[normal mist]

Rogue specs overall seem fine

[raw marlin]

dont tell me what to do

[versed cypress]

Aside from the hero talents being almost entirely passive I don't see many glaring issues. Of course I'm a noob, but compared to shado-pan for example there aren't glaring design issues

[normal mist]

the hero talents need rework

[raw marlin]

are you a monk main?

[rustic thunder]

sub could use some simplifying, i'm not saying it should be dumbed down to ret-levels because that would be atrocious; but right now it's kinda wonky

[versed cypress]

Sure they're not particularly interesting but also not infuriatingly bad designed

[spice surge]

Deathstalker sub gains dps in aoe by cancelauraing the main payout buff from the hero talent

[stable apex]

my lfr logs are also buzzing ever since the obr came out

[versed cypress]

I am a monk enjoyer, yes. But primarily a shaman main

[spice surge]

Cant really think of anything that could be much worse than that

[versed cypress]

How

[royal lantern]

i mean

fatebound needed extreme buffs to be PLAYABLE at all, otherwhise it would end up with 0% playrate in the entire expansion

Killing spree made outlaw literally not playable on some fights

deathstalker exists

rogue has many hero talent problems lol

shadopan is more on the annoying side

and thats kinda it

[versed cypress]

I will say fatebound is very stupid

[spice surge]

Well eviscerate doesnt cleave, and the passive talents bug out when darkest night is active

So you have a buff you dont want to use that makes other things stop working

[royal lantern]

outlaw exists

[rustic thunder]

outlaw needs much more than just a rework of ks

[spice surge]

But ye atleast deathstalker sub is tuned to be horrible

[naive crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-incorrect-you-got-it-wrong-false-gif-8877109044393951791

[marsh fjord]

why is fatebound stupid?

[rustic thunder]

fun af to play but still i am not surprised people complain about this spec so much

[marsh fjord]

Are you not super new to rogue?

[royal lantern]

like what

[honest oxide]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[versed cypress]

Delivered doom makes 0 sense. Tails doesn't do splash damage why would it negatively interact with target count

[royal lantern]

i mean

its a "hero talent" that is "flip coins lol"

that shit is stupid by design

[rustic thunder]

i dunno m8 but the whole thing seems outdated af, roll the bones should have bitten the dirt long ago

[normal mist]

i believe it spatters

[hard river]

all hero trees are wacked up, trickster's UB minigame feels like an accident

[versed cypress]

I am but I am not new to WoW.

[marsh fjord]

mabye it's me but i actually kinda think it's cool that you can flip coins to get certain buffs or do damage

[spice surge]

They do splash with caustic

[naive crescent]

also losing Single target damage passively as soon as there are multiple targets aka reverse funnel is the memest shit

[gritty laurel]

it does spatter, but i guess that's exclusive to sin and the self-nerfing nature is still a problem for outlaw

[marsh fjord]

That talent is extremely stupid yes 😄

[versed cypress]

Maybe then for sin it makes some sense. I was thinking outlaw then

[spice surge]

It flurries too for outlaw im fairly sure

[waxen oyster]

just buff deathstalker tier to 100%

[gritty laurel]

not really, it's still shit for sin considering it's just -dmg per target up to 6

[marsh fjord]

then we wouldnt play fatebound at all 😄

[gritty laurel]

at which point it's -1 hero talent

[spice surge]

But ye still weird

[versed cypress]

I asked in the outlaw channel why fatebound wouldn't be a good hero talent for M+ since it would give you more prio damage in paper and that's the answer I got

[royal lantern]

the concept is so cool that the only way to make it playable was by buffing it into high heavens AND making a tierset that removes the RNG part of the RNG tree

and its STILL only usable for pure ST dmg cus of how much it fucks itself if any 2nd target appears

its mindblowing what a trainwreck it is

and without the tierset making the capstone a 100% thing, it will be a giant shitshow after the tier again when it turns into a RNG fest again

srsly

how did shitbound leave the drawing board

who thought the idea is good as a concept allready

[waxen oyster]

the tierset is basically a bandaid

but they aint doing shit about the wound

[gritty laurel]

they're saving the hero talent rework for midnight

[rustic thunder]

also dont forget this hero talent (or was it trickster?) originally assumed you'd be using feint to do damage

[waxen oyster]

actually more accurate would be

[versed cypress]

I can see the theme about fate and rng and flipping coins etc for rogues but in reality it was executed extremely poorly

[marsh fjord]

it has a lot of flaws but from a none performance look i think having heads or tails is kinda cool design, they just need to rework it properly to not have this shit design.

[stable apex]

that was trickster

[waxen oyster]

fatebound tier bonus is a painkiller

its still shit there

[stable apex]

but yes

[naive crescent]

i really hope they do all new hero talents for every spec for midnight

[stable apex]

delete talents

[naive crescent]

might be hope

[stable apex]

and give cosmetic options

[warm vortex]

Hamburger

[marsh fjord]

Also i felt like Hero talent were only used for 'skins' and they changed it mid way trough

[gritty laurel]

had hamburgers for dinner the other night, made some mushroom swiss burgers at home

[royal lantern]

so true bestie

[stable apex]

Each hero talent tree will get 3 side kick talent trees

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-graham-cracker-rat-eating-rat-eating-cracker-rat-cute-gif-14859725460717460184

[velvet mural]

that would be dope

but prob not happening

[velvet ridge]

I just wish there was like a 4 sided coin or something

[compact bobcat]

Like a dice?

[versed cypress]

Trickster and Deathbound doesn't seem to bad bar the sub cancelaura thing

[warm vortex]

Me and the bois

[royal lantern]

they probably just add 2-3 more rows to each hero tree so leveling has a point, and thats it

[stable apex]

ye homie wants to play outlaw

[naive crescent]

[royal lantern]

deathstalker when targetswaps appear:

or enemys go immune

or enemys dont "die"

[versed cypress]

That's just peak degenerate I'm surprised they haven't fixed it. Blizz is sloppy with balancing but they're quick to address extreme cases of degeneracy like having to cancel auras

[royal lantern]

well, not for sub

sub is 50% bugs and 50% jank

[versed cypress]

Seems like making eviscerate cleave during darkest night would be an easy fix as far as i understand

[naive crescent]

i thought that was outlaw

[velvet mural]

the kingsbane bug is online for how long?

[marsh fjord]

till they fix it

[velvet mural]

how long already i mean

[royal lantern]

outlaw is 60% m+ circlejerking and 40% zoomers with a Monster addiction

aka m+ players

[marsh fjord]

no idea for how long but entire PTR cycle i think?

[velvet mural]

and the thing is they acknowledge the bug

and its still not fixed

[rustic thunder]

btw. how interchangeable is the gear for assa and sub - looking at secondary stats I think it's pretty close? assa likes crit a bit more but should be fine? Not as bad as compared to outlaw

[normal mist]

assa wants ilvl

[rustic thunder]

both love mastery so should be fine..?

[normal mist]

sub wants ilvl and little haste

[gritty laurel]

the kingsbane bug has never been on live servers, save the outrage for if/when it's still broken once we actually get 4p tier

[stable apex]

yes

[marsh fjord]

they even noted it was fixed but hasn't been fixed yet. so i dont know.

[stable apex]

as long as you dont turbo stack haste or vers you can play any of the two

[royal lantern]

secondarys allready make a very low difference across the game

and assa doesnt care about stats

[stable apex]

but secondaries arent as important

just go for big lvl

main stat is usually king, esp so early in season

[royal lantern]

*all season

[stable apex]

only prio first few weeks will be tier

and big dam weap

[gritty laurel]

and that sweet, sweet ritual forge

[velvet mural]

prob gilded crafted

[stable apex]

depends if you have access to myth weapons or not

if not your first craft will prb be mainhand yes

[versed cypress]

Oh btw do sin and sub need daggers in offhand as well?

[rustic thunder]

yes

[stable apex]

yes

[versed cypress]

Fuck

[naive crescent]

yes

[dense cedar]

:)

[rustic thunder]

sub doesn't actually but you fuck yourself over if you don't have a dagger there

!oh

[prisma monolith]

biS lists are not helpful towards gearing yourself. In order for BiS items to truly be BiS, all items in the list have to be obtained at that level exactly, or else it doesn't make sense. Missing a socket for example would shift your stats slightly. On top of this, all stats being good on Assassination means there are currently over 500 "BiS" combinations that are within margin of error. You should always compare your gear through top gear or droptimizer instead.

Pre-raid or Pre-season BiS from world content is especially not helpful, and we do not maintain any lists of these types. These are absolute meaningless bait for gear that you will be replacing the moment the season comes out. Use Top Gear/Droptimizer to compare against your character.

[velvet mural]

unfortunately im a pug aotc rider

[stable apex]

then vault gamba or craft

[velvet mural]

yeah gonna craft

either way you want ascension emb so if you get myth dagger just slap the crafed in offhand

[royal lantern]

but offhand also is your lowest priority slot

cus dmg calculation is almost entirely mainhand only

[earnest flume]

anyone know if you can shadowstep the souls on the last boss of eco dome? to make getting them really easy or are they not a valid target, i assume not.

[versed cypress]

Yeah I'm asking for the purposes of swapping between outlaw and the other two. Since outlaw can have daggers offhand if sin/sub could have 1h offhadn that would mean I just had to swap the weapons

But looks like I would need 2 daggers and 1h

[royal lantern]

yeha

sub/assa is dagger dualwield

cus rogues use daggers

that weird warrior spec is no mainhand dagger

[velvet mural]

and pirates use w/e

[versed cypress]

Should've gone all the way and made it 1h and gun offhand

[velvet mural]

then you would need more weapons

[versed cypress]

Yeah but gun offhand

[rustic thunder]

it would be W if it happened (won't ever)

[raw marlin]

pahah chad

[raw marlin]

aww i love monk but its always so dog shit in balance so i avoid it now

[versed cypress]

Shado-pan looking kind of good in aoe now

Was hard to tell before because 2p was bugged literally until the day before the patch

[marsh fjord]

@raw marlin

He looks a bit like you

[raw marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/teletubbies-dipsy-running-away-scared-run-away-gif-25928776

[raw marlin]

problem with monk is the aoe cap

fix or make that bigger and we good

[marsh fjord]

Also. who ever thought of that ability on monk that you have to hold and then cast

[raw marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/imlookin-deadman-youredead-deuce-bigalow-gif-24717494

[marsh fjord]

in your rotation

[raw marlin]

FoF?

[brave comet]

are youtalking about aimed shot?

wait you said monk

[marsh fjord]

aimed shot on monk?

what kinda drugs

[raw marlin]

look

[marsh fjord]

are you using

[raw marlin]

fists of fury is just the outlaw one

that zoomed us but now is a channell

w.e is that called lol

[marsh fjord]

No i mean the ability the new one that they added last patch

fuck i forgot the name

hold on

[raw marlin]

oh the HAADDOOOKEENN

https://tenor.com/view/ryu-street-fighter-pixels-sprite-attack-gif-17015170

[brave comet]

a hadoken?

[marsh fjord]

Slicing winds

thats the one

that ability is dog

[raw marlin]

i dont even think i ever used slicing winds

hold up

[marsh fjord]

you use it

in your rotation on monk

[raw marlin]

i last played monk in s1 TWW

is it since then?

11.1.0 was s2?

[versed cypress]

Say "aoe cap" in the ww discord and see what happens

[raw marlin]

bro imma tag you

[versed cypress]

Lol

[marsh fjord]

was season 2 that they added it

[raw marlin]

im shiny over there too

[brave comet]

oh that ability kind looks like firebreath from evoker

thats not bad, i like that

[raw marlin]

ok yh i never used it then, so no idea

[marsh fjord]

Do you know the evoker ability

that you gotta hold

[versed cypress]

If it weren't for the fact that empower abilities are a complete mess, yeah

[marsh fjord]

thats the same thing

[brave comet]

firebreath

[marsh fjord]

but then on monk

[raw marlin]

bro, im not a dweeb i will never play evoker

[versed cypress]

Sometimes it casts when you release. Sometimes when you double tap. You change the settings and the game says fuck you I don't care. Also if you get cced it bugs out

[raw marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/ugh-ugh-gif-are-you-serious-are-you-kidding-me-seriously-gif-114463893367020421

[brave comet]

youre just a hater evoker is like the second best developed class just after rogue

[raw marlin]

no

.

[naive crescent]

"best developed class"
"rogue"

[marsh fjord]

[storm ermine]

Yo anyone know whether u wanna spend energy on envenom or wait for sanguine blades on st / aoe?

[raw marlin]

spam

[marsh fjord]

sanquine blades?????

[versed cypress]

Apparently you don't care about sanguine blades

[marsh fjord]

No you don't really

you just spam envenoms

but hey if you have already 2 stacks of envenoms and you are close to 150 energy and you dont have to refresh dots

why not?

[normal mist]

Its hard to be in that state

[storm ermine]

ty ❤️

[chilly viper]

Seasonal tag time @balmy condor you're the GOAT & thanks for everything as always 💖

[normal mist]

but its possible

[raw marlin]

its always hard when you're here

[marsh fjord]

Let that man sleep

[raw marlin]

lets all tag him he loves that

[marsh fjord]

stop taggin him

[rustic thunder]

man what are you talking about lmao

[normal mist]

He doesn't

[marsh fjord]

he has been awake till 6/7 AM

[raw marlin]

wasnt me

[marsh fjord]

to do sims

[raw marlin]

sims 4?

[chilly viper]

No 3

[marsh fjord]

no 5

[raw marlin]

Inzieos?

[chilly viper]

Supernatural expansion pack

[raw marlin]

Project Rene is the best

[marsh fjord]

it's sim with rimworld dlc

[brave comet]

im being sarcastic

WHOOOOOSH

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/stressed-stressed-out-it-is-what-it-is-meme-gif-1807874383562258451

[raw marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-joke-gif-7319521

[marsh fjord]

this is ksznik

he is stressed

[raw marlin]

any poe2 enjoyers?

[marsh fjord]

ofcourse

🙂

[raw marlin]

noob

[marsh fjord]

GO UPDATE IT

YOU NOOB

[raw marlin]

k

[marsh fjord]

New season is coming soon

in 20 days ish

[raw marlin]

took forever

[nova aspen]

true

[raw marlin]

yh havent read about it, i played loads s1 or patch 1 or w.e

[nova aspen]

10 seconds is forever

[raw marlin]

but the 2nd season was so boring

[marsh fjord]

i like 2nd season

[raw marlin]

i got my ranger/deadeye with lightning bolt did like some maps with unique legendary thing and went this is fucking same boring shit

[main bridge]

I played a ton of PoE2 when it came out but it’s dead to me until they finish the story

[marsh fjord]

i did some hardcore

[lost glade]

servers up

[marsh fjord]

how you mean servers up

im from EU

im mad now

[raw marlin]

true

servers down

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-gif-21994457

This is me against trikle

[raw marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-malone-the-office-gif-26979089

may rewatch office us

for the 29227282nd time

[naive crescent]

PATCH IS LIVE

[raw marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025

[rustic thunder]

no news yet tho, no?

[marsh fjord]

nah prob gamesscon

[raw marlin]

i think DM went to their HQ and said its massive

but also... could be clickbait

havent watched anything

could just be act4,5,6

[rustic thunder]

umm what else could he say

[raw marlin]

and i dont care for it lol

[rustic thunder]

"yeah guys it fuckin sucks" lol

[raw marlin]

'poe2 is doing fuck all'

[marsh fjord]

its prob act 4/5/6 + druid

[raw marlin]

i just wanna watch quin die lots lol

[rustic thunder]

3 acts? crazy talk

[raw marlin]

they cant add 1 at a time

its either 3 or 0

[marsh fjord]

they have been cooking for 3 months alreadyu

and most of the acts were done already

it's feasible

[rustic thunder]

not getting excited about it until they add rogue shadow

[rustic thunder]

would be pretty wild, also given their claim from Q4 2024 they would be done with early access by the end of 2025 (which is hard to believe)

[marsh fjord]

prob 2026

at this rate

at the end

[raw marlin]

they didnt expect

poe2 s1 to pop off like it did

literally everyone i knew played that game lol

[marsh fjord]

yeah it was big

[raw marlin]

but compare that to s2

it was like 2-3 people i knew who played it and most quit at end game

compared to like 20 people online at all times

[gritty laurel]

we doing poe and poe2 playtime screenshots?

[marsh fjord]

They improved a lot, loot drop way more then, more currency

[gritty laurel]

(i keep the game up while working and respond to trades a lot)

[royal lantern]

i now know that you are not from germany

[raw marlin]

OHH TRADES

[rustic thunder]

cursed multitasking

[raw marlin]

AH maybe in next patch ha

[raw marlin]

how do you know that

[velvet mural]

leave ah out of poe

[rustic thunder]

they should just implement the maplestory trading in poe

[royal lantern]

cus german interent makes a 200MB update a 16min adventure

[velvet mural]

they should leave it as it is

[gritty laurel]

at this point i'd be happy with just getting the current poe1 harvest bench in poe2 and never having to touch trade again outside of extremely specific items

[velvet mural]

maybe add some more things to faustus

[raw marlin]

true, this is slow atm

[marsh fjord]

@raw marlin make sure to buy some tempered potions on EU they are gonna increase in price in a few days

[raw marlin]

down is normally 1000+

[marsh fjord]

i did yesterday

[velvet mural]

oh thanks for reminder

buy consumables and mats for crafted gear

[gritty laurel]

i stocked up on mana oils before maintenance

[velvet mural]

anything else?

[raw marlin]

can you add me on battle.net already so i can spam you in macros

[marsh fjord]

Sure send

In Dm

[gritty laurel]

crafting mats shouldn't be bad if you're recrafting season 1/2 items

[royal lantern]

do you have a cat?

[velvet mural]

no why

[marsh fjord]

Is oils gonna be better then whetstones next season?

[royal lantern]

cus then you wold have to send us a cat burrito picture

[velvet mural]

bruh

[royal lantern]

according to eleem slightly yes

but like, its TWW consumables

so it will be something like 200dps

[velvet mural]

who/whats eleem

[normal mist]

A beast

A LEGEND

[royal lantern]

a pokemon

[humble verge]

https://youtu.be/RpztcQLo4XA?si=AaEN7LgwMAwOMq-M

[main bridge]

Wow they don’t know Eleem

[humble verge]

lads

[gritty laurel]

i went with oils because the new rep says "Speak to Ba'choso at Shadow Point to further enhance your resonance with the Reshii, increasing the effectiveness of your Enchantments and Mana Oils while inside Manaforge Omega." at rank 6

[main bridge]

How embarrassing

[humble verge]

we needed this

[humble verge]

who is eleem

[marsh fjord]

I bought like 300 whetstones yesterday 💀💀💀💀

[humble verge]

i made 200 feasts today

50 from multicraft

[rustic thunder]

W advice ty, forgot about that

[maiden sierra]

since NA is live, does that mean kingsbane is fixed?

[gritty laurel]

try out your 4 piece and let us know

[marsh fjord]

No idea it’s part of the 2 set

So can’t test

[maiden sierra]

ah i see

[marsh fjord]

It was bugged still before it went live

When whispyr comes back he can check probably

[maiden sierra]

lets hope it gets patched before next week

[humble verge]

i bought 1k r2 2 months ago

paid like 34k

free gold

[eager condor]

wonder if oils will outshine stones then hmm

sitting on a ton of both so ..shrug

[balmy condor]

You don’t delay trinkets anymore, this is ain’t amirdrassil

[velvet mural]

gonna rock these r2s

[humble verge]

im even using r2 alchemic

[velvet mural]

my man

[humble verge]

and im getting paid tomorrow

[marsh fjord]

You have not slept a lot my man

[waxen oyster]

i mean the hack to easy r3 flasks is jsut

gamba for the daily fleeting one

and dont play that day

[balmy condor]

5.5 hours

[humble verge]

rookie numbers

[velvet mural]

thats plenty

[balmy condor]

Wait na is live?

What

[velvet mural]

youve slept too much

[marsh fjord]

yes NA is live

[humble verge]

[balmy condor]

Time to buss out the stream I guess

It was scheduled for 3 hours from now

Maint ended 3.5 hours early

[velvet mural]

time to buss out to your stream

what

[balmy condor]

When did that happen

[marsh fjord]

never really

esp not on a main patch

Can expect extra downtime when the raid comes out tho

😄

all liquid raiders always complain about that

[wooden star]

There's bugs. So careful. Bank is all messed up. Some people can't do the first new chapter, etc

Mileage may vary and all that

As is tradition

[marsh fjord]

This is world of bugs btw

not world of warcraft

[bright tartan]

Thanks NA beta testers

[proven willow]

np

[marsh fjord]

!fotm

[prisma monolith]

FOTM Info

• Fatebound is not playable in any AoE situation, and ESPECIALLY not in Mythic+. Don't bother.

• Tuning is nowhere near done and realistically won't be until mid-September; unless you enjoy playing rogue there is no point in you rerolling at this time, we don't bring anything impactful (e.g big aoe stops/party buff) to the group

• PTR sheets and PTR sims are borderline misinformation with how rapidly things are changing and most sims are not currently updated at this time. Again, this will fix itself as we get deeper into the patch and things solidify, but judging a reroll off of PTR tier lists and random sims or seeing one guy pump super hard on a stream is not indicative of anything.

[noble garden]

Don't have this problem : 8 Gb gang

[humble verge]

we love that NA is the test region for us good players back in EU

[wooden star]

Fair. Thankfully it's mostly working for me but a few of my guildies are already on alts doing the campaign cause they can't on their main. RIP

[coral ibex]

"NA is live" NA is fucked is what it is

literally just running in place atm

[grand trail]

its fine they will fix it for EU, thank you for your testing

[proven willow]

everything is fine for me

fotm diff

[shy lily]

Hi lads, any good plater to track only garrote rupture and crimsom? with cool looking colors ?

[marsh fjord]

if you paypal me 100 euros

you can have mine

[shy lily]

are u okey? do u need a hug?

[tropic jewel]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[marsh fjord]

yes please.

gotta make money somehow

[maiden sierra]

there better be a "haya"

[tropic jewel]

Are we really playing the no kb bleed buld for m+?

[raw marlin]

why am i connceted to this shit as a proud EU?

[main bridge]

Lmao you’ve been Americanized

[azure dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/sfm-soldier-tf2-meme-american-gif-24728385

[half tartan]

any chance for 2 rogues world first raid comp?

[raw marlin]

yh me and @marsh fjord are in it

[marsh fjord]

yeah me and loop are blasting

[weary stump]

Clearly world first will be 20 rogues just tricks of the trading and praying to God they don't die

[raw marlin]

tbh

if we get enough rogues

and our atrophic stacks

we are immune

[marsh fjord]

can just kill bosses without taking damage

[weary stump]

Atrophic stacks, get some bs ring or belt healing us, evade, and tricks

Clearly we get all we need

[velvet mural]

whispyrs plater doesnt track crimson tempest?

[velvet mural]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[velvet mural]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[marsh fjord]

Why is there a event in-game called free t-shirt day

on the 16th

[velvet mural]

why not

[main bridge]

It’s not a new event

[fresh yew]

hi everyone! new here and first time willing to try assa since it seems will be strong (only played outlaw when I would go rogue)

[marsh fjord]

!fotm

[prisma monolith]

FOTM Info

• Fatebound is not playable in any AoE situation, and ESPECIALLY not in Mythic+. Don't bother.

• Tuning is nowhere near done and realistically won't be until mid-September; unless you enjoy playing rogue there is no point in you rerolling at this time, we don't bring anything impactful (e.g big aoe stops/party buff) to the group

• PTR sheets and PTR sims are borderline misinformation with how rapidly things are changing and most sims are not currently updated at this time. Again, this will fix itself as we get deeper into the patch and things solidify, but judging a reroll off of PTR tier lists and random sims or seeing one guy pump super hard on a stream is not indicative of anything.

[normal mist]

Good luck homie

hope you enjoy

[fresh yew]

I have seen that in PTR casualaddict is playing double vanish, but every other build I see runs kingsbane instead, I cant seem to find info about it :C anyone more experienced can give me the pros of why would u go double vanish with subterfuge build?

[fresh yew]

tyty!

[velvet mural]

huh

[normal mist]

He's doing keys that most people aren't, aka

20's

BUT

[velvet mural]

you still want bleed in lower keys

[normal mist]

in PTR bleed is just better overall and thats it

[velvet mural]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[fresh yew]

I will stick to the bleed one for now then, and care about that other chance if I reach high keys as assa xD

[normal mist]

TLDR For season 3 we will all most likely play bleed because its just better everywhere

[fresh yew]

tyty

[humble verge]

juge, we got payd

[tropic jewel]

With kb or Full bleed without kb

[main bridge]

Bleed build with KB is called hybrid

[tropic jewel]

Ah true

[spice surge]

Id recommend reading the message quite literally 3 messages above

[velvet mural]

oh thats eleem

[balmy condor]

he is eleem

[brave comet]

everywhere?

[velvet mural]

stream when

[main bridge]

Looks like a Raichu to me

[coral ibex]

eleem identified

[brave comet]

you mean in M+?

[sacred schooner]

not excited about fb hopefully we are not gonna play it at all

[balmy condor]

I'm setting up

[balmy condor]

bad news bud

[spice surge]

Hiya

[sacred schooner]

😢

[balmy condor]

it's like 10% ahead in ST

[honest vector]

I'm excited about fb hopefully we are gonna play it at all

[sacred schooner]

and 50% behind in aoe? 😄

so fb st bleed m+

[velvet mural]

yup

[balmy condor]

it's like 10-15% behind in overall

[brave comet]

there's only 1 single target boss though right

the tetris boss

[fallow canopy]

well chapter 1 of the campaign is krangled

[rose inlet]

kb bug didn't get fixed before patch went live right

[balmy condor]

there's plenty of bosses that don't have that many adds

[spice surge]

Dont think many people have the 2p to be able to test it atm

[brave comet]

which bosses do you expect FB would gain on DS?

[rose inlet]

oh i was asking about ptr sorry should have clarified

[red schooner]

NA beta testing, thank you for your service.

[restive falcon]

what fiber socket r we taking

im about to get my wraps, do i take mastery

nvm im stupid didnt see on guide

[marsh fjord]

mastery

[wide atlas]

!talents

guys can you link me some 11.2 talents for assa?

[coral ibex]

use the same talents as last season

[fallow canopy]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[wide atlas]

thankyou!

[lyric bough]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[frigid pilot]

We back on rogue buds, no more mage jail

[half tartan]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[marsh fjord]

!fotm

[prisma monolith]

FOTM Info

• Fatebound is not playable in any AoE situation, and ESPECIALLY not in Mythic+. Don't bother.

• Tuning is nowhere near done and realistically won't be until mid-September; unless you enjoy playing rogue there is no point in you rerolling at this time, we don't bring anything impactful (e.g big aoe stops/party buff) to the group

• PTR sheets and PTR sims are borderline misinformation with how rapidly things are changing and most sims are not currently updated at this time. Again, this will fix itself as we get deeper into the patch and things solidify, but judging a reroll off of PTR tier lists and random sims or seeing one guy pump super hard on a stream is not indicative of anything.

[raw marlin]

I have the raza naga pro wireless, why does my MMO buttons sometimes not work, but then i plug it in and it works even if i then immediately disconnect it etc.. like, what is happening.. it is so annoying!

even if its wired then i unplug from wire it then works

vis versa so its the same problem regardless of connection

I can only think the MMO community even notice this problem as who else spams keys on this mouse format

[proven willow]

damn u didnt stock up on the wired nagas before they were discontinued

[marsh fjord]

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera-gx&q=naga+pro+wireless+side+buttons+not+working+when+wireless&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

[raw marlin]

yh but it does the same wired

it works but its like

if i spam it sometimes it just.. wont

[proven willow]

i mean it can do it sometimes on wired but its rare af ive been using this mouse for years

to reset it you pop off the side

and put back on

[raw marlin]

trust me ive done all the 'easy' fixes

[proven willow]

if the same button isnt working you wore down the trigger under the button

[raw marlin]

this doesnt fix it lol

nope dif buttons lol

[crimson vector]

does sin rogue in m+ bleed build use deadly or instant poison?

[proven willow]

idk ive never had that but i dont use wireless mouse because all i hear are bad things

[golden loom]

!poisons

Well deadly

[crimson vector]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[crimson vector]

thank you!!

[proven willow]

i just read the unplug/plugging back in thing where it works and it sounds like a profile issue/driver issue (naga software) or a port issue on your pc. however its picking up the mouse signal

[pliant remnant]

Because people go to complain online when they have an issue, they don't usually feel the need to announce things working just fine

[warm vortex]

Just got my first ever CE
Also the first tier i've not played rogue haha

[main bridge]

Hey everyone, everything is fine for me. No help needed. Thanks

[pliant remnant]

Hoooly RWL

Gratz though