assassination

[balmy condor]

And if that worked out, everything should be fine

[golden loom]

literally what the people making the tierlist say

[waxen oyster]

I guarantee you max would not make a tier list

if it didnt get droolers to give him views

and streams donos

[barren yarrow]

true facts youre right

ty for not shitting on my chest

🙂

[waxen oyster]

Tierlists are just the lowest form of farming free engagement

[golden loom]

well the discussions that happen are the interesting parts

[proven willow]

tier lists are 2nd best form

[golden loom]

the ranking is whatever

[proven willow]

news is the best

[waxen oyster]

idk hearing most non rogue mains

justify where they put rogue

leaves much to be desired

[runic hinge]

I like watching max make his tier list so I know what the community sentiment is gonna be while I play assa anyways

[balmy condor]

You don’t need to watch for that, it’s always gonna be undervalued and yet too op

[waxen oyster]

i mean i geared assa in s2 because i figured they were gonna smack sub with the bat

[runic hinge]

I think max is cool in a I’d have a beer with him kind of way and I like hearing some of the other specs views on their own spec

But like I’m not here to take any of their bias as gospel

Only your bias is my gospel

[waxen oyster]

if anyone take tettles yap as truth

you're better off consulting therapy from a coke addict

[golden loom]

the boomkins bring the content to the circus

fkin love those guys

[nova kelp]

lol I love how the "your spec doesn't matter unless" group is shrinking over the years
it used to be "unless you do mythic"
then "unless you're ce"
then "unless you're top 500"
then "HoF"
now it's like "top 50 in HoF"

lol

I mean at least it's growth

[prisma cypress]

i hate that whole line of argument

[waxen oyster]

I mean hot take: they kinda pushed anyone into mythic

that is considered a non hyper casual

back then guilds were kind of cool not being ce

even

[prisma cypress]

your spec matters no matter what

[nova kelp]

nah, if you step into mythic at all you're still a very small portion of the overall community

you just get blind to the actual middle group

[golden loom]

enjoying the time you spend on the game matters most

[balmy condor]

It’s true, assa is fun to play and that matters a lot

[waxen oyster]

very few fotm players

are actually good at any spec they fotm

Most people aren't doing the content where actual damage checks are a thing.

It's a mechanics check for most.

[haughty flicker]

if you're bad enough anything can be a damage check

[waxen oyster]

like playing sin or outlaw

[haughty flicker]

[waxen oyster]

isnt going to stop you from walking into a mugzee mine

and wiping the raid

[golden loom]

there are guilds gettingh damage checked by vael in BWL in the year 2025

[waxen oyster]

in the last month of the tier

[prisma cypress]

all else being equal, more damage does make fights easier

[waxen oyster]

classic is the version of the game

you bring your irl uncle whos kinda pepega at the game

but fun to be around drunk

[nova kelp]

that's potentially hella sus weirdchamp

[golden loom]

or 40 giga sweats that want to do 20 year old content in 20 min

[balmy condor]

Yeah until you get to a fight like mug’zee where it literally doesn’t do that and you have to either re-prog the fight with different timers or hold dps

[nova kelp]

sign of a bad fight imo

lol

[haughty flicker]

I DONT WANT TO STOP DAMAGE

[waxen oyster]

the specs arent that far from one another

[haughty flicker]

I WANT TO DO DAMAGE

DOGSHIT GAME

[prisma cypress]

sure, there are weird exceptions like that. and even mug'zee is made easier by phasing the boss before that one set of gaols

[golden loom]

well no the push strat is faster but it is also harder

[waxen oyster]

im gonna be honest

how do people not push with aura buffs

[runic hinge]

I think rerolling to a spec you’re not as practiced or enjoying isn’t gonna make you do more damage just cause it might sim higher

[waxen oyster]

unless your average dps is a grey parser on a good day

[golden loom]

well the push isnt hard to hit

its killing it before the enraged mines reach you

[waxen oyster]

tbh was never an issue for us

if people were alive

big if

[golden loom]

yeah thats the big if

we also have swapped a massive amount of people so it was kinda mugzee prog every week

[waxen oyster]

its back to my point most issues people pretend to have

are just mechanical failure

[prisma cypress]

when i said "all else being equal" i meant NOT rerolling from a spec you enjoy to one you don't, or to one you're no good at 😛

[harsh anchor]

I have 4 gamers I’ve done keys or raid with rerolling to demo lock

Because of their sim

[prisma cypress]

i always encourage people to play what they enjoy and i do the same myself, but i'm not going to pretend that a spec's performance doesn't matter, or that it only matters for top 50 guilds or whatever. it matters for everyone

you can say it "doesn't matter" because it's possible to beat the boss with any spec, and that may be true, but it's also true that you can beat the boss with any talent loadout or with a fucked up rotation or with no enchants on your gear, and we don't say those things don't matter

[balmy condor]

Had* 4 gamers, you deserve better than playing with animals

[balmy condor]

I mean…….. I kinda been saying that for a while now

[harsh anchor]

It’s okay, I play with sane people now

[subtle tundra]

i need cock

[balmy condor]

You can ctrl+f “embellishment” from me for examples, half of my mention of the stuff is “it doesn’t fucking matter”

I think I even make a note of that in the guide

[blazing parcel]

whats the best spec for raiding in 11.2?

[balmy condor]

We don’t know

[golden loom]

protection warrior

[blazing parcel]

hahahahaha funny

[harsh anchor]

The best is the friends we make along the way

[blazing parcel]

ye

[runic hinge]

I mean since DF balance in raid has been better than it ever has. I think your spec choice matters the least in the history of wow as it does rn.

[balmy condor]

I also crafted my shit with no missives cause I keep saying secondaries don’t matter

And I don’t use the agi gem

Cause that shit don’t matter

[prisma cypress]

thats a benefit of assassination

[balmy condor]

Also the whole idea that playing a different spec is akin to putting a completely passive enchant onto your gear for basically no cost

Is a bit rich

[prisma cypress]

vibe-based gearing

[harsh anchor]

I had no idea you could use no missive

[balmy condor]

Like even the best players in the world are better at X spec on their class

[runic hinge]

Save yourself 500g or whatever

[balmy condor]

Stealthi is one of the best to do it, but he’s very obviously best at sub, but he plays them all

Kush is the same way

[prisma cypress]

like i said, i always tell people to play what they want, but things aren't always so evenly tuned that it makes no difference

[harsh anchor]

I always geared for sub since if sin was more appealing for a fight, I could swap with no issue

[balmy condor]

Guy’s outlaw is better than his assa

Yah I mean there’s obviously a difference

But even if you as a player do a full 10% more dps, amongst 13 dps

You’re gonna add what

0.4%? 0.5%?

[blazing parcel]

sin fatebound is harder than DS Build?! Never play this shit 😂

[balmy condor]

It’s far easier

[blazing parcel]

Good to Hear that

[balmy condor]

The hardest part about Fatebound is not falling asleep

[blazing parcel]

😂😂😂😂

sin is boring as always no matter what you playing

Sin is boring

[prisma cypress]

im sorry to hear that

[blazing parcel]

Just outlow makes me hype

[haughty flicker]

true i love outlow

[harsh anchor]

To each their own, some like high octane bullshit some like managing numbers of dots

[blazing parcel]

i always playing outlow in raid in my dream man...

[keen spruce]

flip coins and vibe

[harsh anchor]

Also bring back kyrian outlaw

[keen spruce]

just play outlaw then

[blazing parcel]

i just want to play outlow but evry F Season i Hate to Rush Sin...

[keen spruce]

if you want to play pirate

[tight ginkgo]

wise men say only fools rushsin

[keen spruce]

just play pirate

[blazing parcel]

i have to Play meta on earlly raiding

[keen spruce]

are you in a world top 10 guild?

[haughty flicker]

real

[keen spruce]

[tight ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/plastic-man-real-real-powder-powder-that-makes-you-say-real-animated-comic-plastic-man-gif-7493651428267836743

[blazing parcel]

Nop But my Guild Masster want me to do my best as a Dps Spec soo...

[balmy condor]

[keen spruce]

classic

[blazing parcel]

Kekw😂😂

[balmy condor]

Did you ask what “best dps” means to him

[keen spruce]

our hunter main played marksman all of DF

for all of the CEs

when it was turbo ass

[balmy condor]

Like does he just want the biggest details bar

Or what does that mean

Is he expecting you to pad like a mfer

[haughty flicker]

yes

[keen spruce]

people on specs they know and like will almost always do better than meta specs that they're not comfy on outside of the HOF

[haughty flicker]

the higher i am on details the less likely i am to be benched

[keen spruce]

I just bring vibes and memes so i dont' get benched

[balmy condor]

“Just play like… the most good thing, for the content…”

[keen spruce]

brought*

[haughty flicker]

best i can do is bad jokes and glorps

[harsh anchor]

I rub my feet together everytimeI push deathmark

Irl cooldown

[haughty flicker]

are you a cricket

[balmy condor]

Bro might be a fly

[waxen oyster]

so play outlaw

[keen spruce]

glrops is worth a raid spot tbh

[haughty flicker]

[blazing parcel]

The think is < if Sin do 10k More Single Dmg Than Outlow Or Sub > Then I Have To Play Sin. No Matter What I have to 😐😂

[haughty flicker]

10k

[golden loom]

thats fucked

[haughty flicker]

[keen spruce]

I'm also a dirty padder though

[blazing parcel]

😂😂😂😂

[keen spruce]

and scam PIs

[blazing parcel]

Thats Sadly True

[golden loom]

also outlaw is the best simming rogue spec

[keen spruce]

so I appear like a better player than i am

[golden loom]

just show him that

[balmy condor]

10k with a sim error margin of +-3k

Crazy work

That’s 0.2%

[keen spruce]

spec balance outside of like a few outliers has been incredibly balanced

for a long time

[blazing parcel]

fuck Sim they just seeing other rogue on Warcraft Log

and the ST

[keen spruce]

you can literally play whatever the fuck you want

with sub-optimal builds

[golden loom]

show him stix logs then

[keen spruce]

and still do all of the content

[obtuse robin]

every time i look at fuu's sheeet sin st is larger

[keen spruce]

outside of like deep HOF

[obtuse robin]

keep going dont stop

[balmy condor]

That’s arguably worse depending on the situation

[blazing parcel]

Lol

[golden loom]

also its a fkin videogame

like what are we doing

[waxen oyster]

arent all 3 specs

kind of close rn

on most bosses

[balmy condor]

Who knows

[keen spruce]

my friend in an AOTC / couple of mythic boss guild was tellin me a funny story today

[balmy condor]

They closed testing and then did 27 tuning passes

[keen spruce]

they have a 70 year old lady that just came back to the game after like 15 years

and she wanted to play hunter and asked "is survival the rexxar spec? I want to play that"

and the raid lead tried to bully her into MM cuz it's meta

[golden loom]

did this guy press killing spree

[haughty flicker]

no that guy pressed the buy boost button

[keen spruce]

we know why the aug line goes that low

[golden loom]

ah so ur saying outlaw is the worst spec cause they are all boost buyers!

[haughty flicker]

[blazing parcel]

Just look at this i play 50% sin 50% Sub

😐😐😐😐 i hate to play like that

but i have to

[waxen oyster]

heroic

[golden loom]

wait are you forced to play sub/sin in heroic?

[waxen oyster]

brah

[blazing parcel]

😂😂😂😂

lol

sad story

[runic hinge]

Do you do heroic only?

[waxen oyster]

also private logging

what in tarnation

[blazing parcel]

no Mythic to

[blazing parcel]

Who Know

[runic hinge]

218 heroic queen kills

Okay booster

[prisma cypress]

an officer just dropped this in the guild discord. how do i respond

[waxen oyster]

gquit

not gonna lie

[blazing parcel]

no matter who sit on Pc?

[waxen oyster]

I know i can get equal or better offers so i just gquit if a guild does dumb shit

💀

[blazing parcel]

maybe my dog can play wow so he should take BIs?

[waxen oyster]

im gonna be honest

10k dps is like

[novel star]

call them old and stupid and tell them to set up the wowaudit rclc plugin and use that instead

[waxen oyster]

less than the dps you'd gain racechanging

[novel star]

or just the wowaudit part without the old and stupid if you wanna be nice

[balmy condor]

I got you

[blazing parcel]

i just Joking i always playin sin in raid cuz i can play sin while iam slreping or eating

[runic hinge]

Are we doing more keys s3 or what

[blazing parcel]

ez 1 2 3

Lets go bang bang ST

😂😂

i mean who want to play outlow in 2k Kill😂

[novel star]

shit maybe 👁️ depends if my friend stack are playing or still burnt out

lmao

[waxen oyster]

Idk you say that while doing over 200 hc ansurek kills

that's a choice

and a half

[haughty flicker]

gotta make money somehow

[blazing parcel]

not money

just buying some mount

[novel star]

i am in pissboys..

[waxen oyster]

ansurek mount kind of uggo

[runic hinge]

I will ping you there

[novel star]

[waxen oyster]

Also has anyone noticed new expac/season hypers are basically the NYE gym resolution people

of wow

[runic hinge]

Hopefully work schedule change and I can do real keys this season

[novel star]

if i dont see it it’s not personal i just forgot i’m in there until right now

LMAO

i haven’t been thinking about wow at all

[golden loom]

I have wednesday/thursday/friday off next week

cant wait to do some fkin gaming

[novel star]

except the ravenholdt lurking

[haughty flicker]

whispyr is typing up another banger

i cant wait

[novel star]

that is big

[blazing parcel]

imagine you are doing the hc raid 6 time in 12h What Spec you Would Playing? For This Boring Shit?

[haughty flicker]

bm

[waxen oyster]

ret paladin

[haughty flicker]

one button that shit

and afk

[novel star]

yeah ret lowkey

ret is so relaxing

[blazing parcel]

no i mean rhe rogue guys 😂

[novel star]

sin

it’s also easy and relaxing

[blazing parcel]

ofc sin 😂

[jaunty matrix]

is that a bad thing ?

[golden loom]

yes

[jaunty matrix]

hmm

why

isn't the bis list standard ?

[blazing parcel]

thats why i keep playing sin < iam outlow enjoyer in my dream but if you want to play 12h wow you cant plat outlow😂

[jaunty matrix]

otherwise everyone just presses bis on every piece they want

[balmy condor]

Hello, I’m the wowhead writer for assassination rogue. The bis lists are used for SEO, and are not indicative of actual useful gearing suggestions. BiS lists are only BiS when all items are obtained. Most items are added as a suggestion, not as an absolute, and there are hundreds of combinations that all sim within 0.3%. Take a “BiS” belt as an example. The wowhead BiS may say “get this haste/vers” belt, but if you get a crit/mast belt instead, you could craft haste/vers and obtain the same stats overall. This also holds true for enchants, gems, jewelry pieces, weapons, and which combination of the 4/5 tier pieces are obtained. Hope that helps and you reconsider using bis lists for your gear

[golden loom]

even the bis lists on wowhead say "SIM YOURSELF"

[balmy condor]

@prisma cypress send that to them

[jaunty matrix]

yeah you have to sim yourself because

bis list only works

[prisma cypress]

thank you, i will do that

[jaunty matrix]

if you have all the items

[haughty flicker]

putting aside how a bis list doesnt remotely tell you what is better for you in this very moment, we legit know whispyr puts random shit in them

[jaunty matrix]

in the list

[novel star]

well whispyr coincidentally just typed your answer

[jaunty matrix]

but is it still something you should be working towards

no ?

[haughty flicker]

so its not exactly the best gospel no

[novel star]

bis isn’t real and hasn’t been for years

[novel star]

no.

not in retail

[waxen oyster]

i mean if i want to play something brain off

i play bm hunter

[jaunty matrix]

oh

ok

didn't know that

[runic hinge]

There’s like 200 combos that all sim the same.

[jaunty matrix]

[runic hinge]

So like why list all the items

[waxen oyster]

If i had a guild

that asked fo a bist list

I would just write

"give araz" in every line

[jaunty matrix]

so the only bis are trinkets and weapons ?

and weapons only if they have effects

[novel star]

nope

only trinkets

[golden loom]

weapon bis = any dagger

[waxen oyster]

there are no bis weapons

unless funny effect

[haughty flicker]

well there can be if cantrip ye

[jaunty matrix]

ok

[novel star]

that yeah but that’s not a thing for any daggers so

[jaunty matrix]

i'm voting bis on every drop from now on then

like the warriors in my guild do

[haughty flicker]

real

[jaunty matrix]

[waxen oyster]

wait you dont?

[golden loom]

thats why you have wow audit

[jaunty matrix]

i was only voting bis if something was on the wowhead list

[rotund oak]

bis lists are for ppl that dont wanna sim or dont know how to and what u get out of it

[novel star]

really your rclc shouldn’t even say bis it should say like major/minor upgrade

[haughty flicker]

oof

[jaunty matrix]

otherwise i did big or small gain based off sim

[novel star]

but wow players are stupid

so

here we are

[waxen oyster]

my rclc has 3 options

major minor and barbie time

[novel star]

as it should be

[golden loom]

major upgrade, minor upgrade, offspec, transmog, greed (vendor for gold)

[jaunty matrix]

major and minor i did based off sim

and i pressed bis if it was on the wowhead list and also was a gain based off sim again

but the warriors in my guild just pressed bis on every item they wanted

so idk

[novel star]

if it has bis and major separately then ur guilds just kinda dumb i’m afraid

but that’s fine

press bis and make it work

[jaunty matrix]

i think its the default list loot council has ?

[golden loom]

later on in the season you roll major upgrade on every tier token and put tertiary in the note

[jaunty matrix]

bis, major, minor, offspec and mog

[rotund oak]

fun fact,tmog for us was ''uwu looks so cool''

[jaunty matrix]

ye

[golden loom]

loot in retail is so boring that it misses out on the best part of classic

[haughty flicker]

speaking of bis lists

[golden loom]

loot drama

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[runic hinge]

Loot in retail is so flexible that the average wow players mind can’t handle it

[jaunty matrix]

i just do what the sim says tbh

no reason to put more thought to it

[wanton remnant]

are there any rogue specific websites yall suggest?

[jaunty matrix]

rogue doesn't even have a specific dev

you think we will have specific sites ?

[balmy condor]

Wowhead

[acoustic roost]

https://discord.gg/ravenholdt

[wanton remnant]

i read ur guide on wowhead helped clear things up. im new to rogue. i thank you

ahh ok i just thought maybe every class did. i know warlock has a couple and some others. just figured id ask so i didnt miss any chance to learn more and more

[jaunty matrix]

we do have one of the best class discords tho

[wanton remnant]

thats what ive been told

[nova kelp]

a LONG time ago rogues had shadowcraft, which was probably the first class specific site? or one of at the very least

that's since been all consolidated into the discord and IV/WH guides

[wanton remnant]

i think right now i need to get better at not dying so much lol

[golden loom]

Depends on what kind of day it is

[runic hinge]

Press feint

Any time damage is going out

Press it

And you’re Gucci

They even made it off gcd

[haughty flicker]

monke see damage

monke feint

[runic hinge]

And if it’s big damage or you want to ignore a mechanic. It’s cloak. It’s that easy

[haughty flicker]

and when you're wiping but want to extend the pull a bit to pad damage and look better on details you press evasion

smh missing a )

[subtle tundra]

nice nerfs

gg

[gray hazel]

How many pure ST fights does the new raid have?

[balmy condor]

Pure st? 1

[gray hazel]

Damn, was kinda looking forward to using FB for raid for once

But only 1 fight is meh

[balmy condor]

You use fb on probably 4 fights min

Possibly more

[wanton remnant]

thank you ❤️

[gray hazel]

Oh neat. I was just looking at the guide and had only ST as FB and AoE still DS

[wanton remnant]

thank you ❤️

[balmy condor]

Boss guides aren’t out yet, just the generic stuff

[gray hazel]

Gotcha. Thanks!

[prisma cypress]

well, the "please reconsider using bis lists" thing went over like a lead balloon

"we don't have analysts, it's easier to follow a guide"

[haughty flicker]

[prisma cypress]

how do normal guilds handle loot? lol

[haughty flicker]

Me when using raidbots makes me an analyst

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-plink-glasses-side-eye-smart-gif-11422187893182432522

[balmy condor]

Weekly droptimizers and a loot council that isn’t dense as a brick

[haughty flicker]

We just run a droptimizer before raid lol

[golden loom]

and then ofc we get to put in extra sims and whatever

incase we have extra gear combinations yada yada yada

[prisma cypress]

what's that screengrab from?

oh something from your guild's discord i suppose

[golden loom]

ye

[neat flame]

is the >4 contingent on boss strats?

[balmy condor]

Either strats or timing or how fast/important adds are

There’s a couple fights where there’s like cleave/light aoe but if it doesn’t matter for the kill and 1:30’s don’t run into the add spawns, Fatebound is good

[brittle shuttle]

anyone have any idea when title cutoff is actually decided

[balmy condor]

The worst thing you could have happen as fatebound realistically is having 6+ adds up and you press dm

[neat flame]

I can't recall if you mentioned this in your video, but does FB compete with DS in like 2-3 target cleave? Is there a pretty definite inflection point where FB falls behind?

[orchid pewter]

Thats a cool profile picture

[humble harbor]

@balmy condor i liked the end of the last video discussing which boss deathstalker or fatebound would be used. could a similar review be done for all rogue specs/hero talents? i think bosses 3-5 and saladbar the other rogue specs might have at least compareable aoe patterns. or for the eranog bug not having to move around mark and not having the add problem for fatebound

[balmy condor]

Post buff it’s like somewhere between 3 and 4 target but it’s hard to quantify cause like 3 target during cds? Fb gets absolutely rinsed

[orchid pewter]

Blizzard made a bluepost a week ago or smth where they announced the number for na and eu

[brittle shuttle]

ye but its updated daily and hasnt been since yesterday

[balmy condor]

That would require me giving an inch of a shit about sub or outlaw in order to give good information and that’s not happening

[brittle shuttle]

also all portals are gone from timeways does that mean anything

[orchid pewter]

Are you on na?

[brittle shuttle]

ye

im 3803 prayin im not fked lol

[orchid pewter]

You shouldnt be

Post said 3790 or smth for na

[brittle shuttle]

it was updated to 3798 last night tho

[orchid pewter]

Nvm 3798

[brittle shuttle]

ye and itll be updated again with season end, im just curious when exactly that is. PVP season ended already i think

[orchid pewter]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-reminds-players-season-2-ends-this-week-season-rewards-no-longer-377981
This reads like season ends this reset

[runic hinge]

I don’t think it’ll go up by 5 points last night

[orchid pewter]

@brittle shuttle

[pure moth]

it does.

[obtuse robin]

!wa

[runic hinge]

Bot dead

[rotund oak]

Ravenholdt is LIGHTYEARS ahead of any other class discords.Ppl with huge brains gather here,its no joke(well besides the pirate channel)

[plush hazel]

Hello, I'm coming back in the game after a long time and was wondering if it's still possible to cheese mechanics or DMG using vanish?

[tribal marsh]

How are we feeling about sin going into next patch iv been out of the loop

[runic hinge]

s++

[ancient pasture]

noob question here, i heard one person mention that assa has a ton of funnel dmg, and one mention it has little to non. which is true, and if assa has funnel dmg, how much increase is it on ~5-10 targets?

[balmy condor]

a shit ton

[ancient pasture]

What does the funnel come from? Faster combo point regen from fan?

[livid folio]

More targets more ruptures more Energy moar dmg

[ancient pasture]

How much prio dmg increase does assa do?

[balmy condor]

this is 8% of your overall

on 8 target

and it's direct into your main target

[brittle shuttle]

Singular focus, scent of blood, more combo points, CT scales w more targets

[balmy condor]

it's like 2.2mil dps

in 723 gear

raw dog into your prio target

[ancient pasture]

Ah thats probably why deathstalker is main in m+?

[balmy condor]

fatebound does no aoe

[ancient pasture]

Fair

[balmy condor]

even if it does more single target, you're losing like 15% overall dps

simply because you're worthless in aoe

[ancient pasture]

makes sense, thanks

[balmy condor]

np

[livid folio]

Btw how important is it to refresh garrotes during big pulls beyond the initial ones?

I always struggle to decide between rupturing ct and garroting

[balmy condor]

like outside of stealth?

or from a vanish or what

[candid ocean]

should i buy mythic eye of kazan or jastor diamond with my last coins?

[balmy condor]

jastor

[livid folio]

Yeah outside cds

[balmy condor]

you don't

[hallow glade]

Garrote has a cd when cast outside of stealth

[livid folio]

Just when i have vanish and pull is alive a decent amount of time?

[livid folio]

I know but you can still apply one every 6s

[balmy condor]

yeah

but you don't

cause they suck

non-improved garrotes are kinda the ass end of gcds

they don't give cp, don't give damage

and unless you're giga starved for energy (which you shouldn't be cause you have ruptures), they don't even do anything for your energy

in 3 target cleave for example, you won't have enough ruptures out on their own to sustain, so yeah in that case its fine to cleave cause you're getting the energy out of it

but on a bigger pull when you're getting 5+ ruptures out

nah

dead gcds

[livid folio]

Thanks! So i was doing it right all along 😉

[grim jay]

Dang mate, are you my dad or why do you call me worthless?

[elfin fossil]

Is bleed build still the way to go in s3? Did our ass ST improve with that spec so we’re not behind tanks on bosses?

[ripe marsh]

Hi, If i need help with Classic rouge rotation and dps, Where is the correct forum to talk about that?

[grim jay]

Yes and no

Didnt improve but we never did tank dmg

[grim jay]

#classic-discussion somewhere around there, we are nearly exclusively retail

[ripe marsh]

Tyvm

[elfin fossil]

Hyperbole for the sake of it. Just feels ass being starved and doing nothing on bosses

[grim jay]

Thats the sin rogue design, also being starved doesnt have that much to do with the dmg not being that high

Talent tree diff compared to classes that can do both

[elfin fossil]

No, true, just that the ST rotation feels sluggish and un-fun in that scenario while aoe it’s super engaging

Wish it was a bit equal

Do we still run desthstalker or is trickster in?

[oblique reef]

You mean fatebound?

[slate crown]

Do you mean fatebound?

[kindred breach]

Nah still DS

[elfin fossil]

Fatebound sorry

[kindred breach]

In M+ at least

But fatebound is sooo back in ST raid fights

[oblique reef]

Guess I better learn Fatebound for raid then.. 😆

[runic hinge]

its easier than ds

[oblique reef]

Nothings easier than the thing you know from muscle memory

[kindred breach]

yeah no rocket science here

[elfin fossil]

Do we sim competatively in raids?

[balmy condor]

not that it matters

but ye sure

[grim jay]

Sims arent for comparison

[kindred breach]

I didnt look at other sims but i guess were in the good half of the pack

[oblique reef]

Does the gear differ much Fatebound vs DS?
Any more than Raid vs M+ usually does.

[balmy condor]

it does not

[elfin fossil]

I meant just in general where we are tuning wise

[grim jay]

Yeah sims are also useless for that

They are strictly for gearing and finding out whats best for the one spec you are simming for

[bright tartan]

maybe chatgpt knows

when are we getting moroes gpt??

[grim jay]

Tuning depends on the actual performance in the content you are looking at, which barely ever reflects sims

[elfin fossil]

Let me rephrase then, are the boss-designs melee friendly? E.g. is the rogue kit attractive for the new raid?

[bright tartan]

rogues lack of kit is very attractive yes

[elfin fossil]

= Will we be brought over other melee

[oblique reef]

Sorry dumb question for Fatebound.
"Cast Cold Blood with Kingsbane"
Is that Cold Blood, then Kingsbane. Or Kingsbane, then Cold Blood, or does it not matter as it doesn't class as a "Damaging Ability"

[grim jay]

Probably atleast one, most people still think poison is a worthy raidbuff. If you arent like wr100 or something you shouldnt really care about that

[pure moth]

Rogue will be fine. They will be brought to raid.

[dense cedar]

assassination is doing infinite dps rn

[grim jay]

That doesnt work

Else everything would immediately die

[dense cedar]

it does work actually so shut up please, ty

[timid vale]

no were terrible (pls blizz dont nerf)

[grim jay]

Lies

[past marten]

Bosses basically immediately pack it up when they see a group with an assassination rogue pulling up

[grim jay]

People say we are sandbagging anyways

[past marten]

They hand you their loot and walk away

[timid vale]

have been since s1 bud

[past marten]

Schrödinger's

[timid vale]

when did they remove the max stack from bubbling wax

[zenith elm]

Good morning Fellow Rogues 😁

[analog field]

Should I care to recraft as I have an embellishment on cloak? I guess it is w/e

[normal mist]

Actually... I've been playing arams or arurf every night

[dense cedar]

good to do it, yeah

[normal mist]

If you want 2 embellishments you should recraft yeah

[dense cedar]

aram is slightly less evil I guess

[normal mist]

I only play league with friends so it makes it even less bad

[dense cedar]

so what ur saying is

your friends are evil

and trick you into playing league

[normal mist]

Yes

Both my gf and my sister, yes

[dense cedar]

ur simply their prisoner

i get it

[normal mist]

They are evil incarnated

[red schooner]

Shit I forgot to do this. I probably should make some bracers or something tonight

[analog field]

When is the first spark ? if we have 2 sparks by next wednesday idk if it is worth it

already embelishments are kinda w/e , if we get a drop for this slot will the embelishment make it worth not swapping ?

[drifting cedar]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

doesn't matter, cold blood is off the gcd and only works on envenom

[balmy condor]

embellishments are still bis, but yes they're minor

[oblique reef]

aha the Envenom bit was the part I was missing

[balmy condor]

yah, the cold blood talent on fatebound is the only reason we take cold blood in the first place

would suggest reading that, important talent

[oblique reef]

Just found your video from yesterday so going to watch that instead of asking more here for now 🙂

[balmy condor]

that works too

[normal mist]

Be sure to watch the video, it's a funny one (I've heard)

[dense cedar]

some talent nodes are so funny, like as if I'm not gonna run Seal Fate

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean anchor points are semi required

you can't make the entire tree just omega open ended

the placement of stuff is surprisingly delicate

[dense cedar]

fav version of this is how AR is mandatory for outlaw

[nimble tartan]

chat do i need to recraft my cloak will i be fucekd if i dont

[balmy condor]

I mean

you'll need to craft a different slot eventually

[wary vector]

Did someone post a video about 11.2 builds and rotations? I cant find any except the wowhead guide

[balmy condor]

I have a video for fatebound specifically, an overall one is on the way later this week

(nothing changed)

[wary vector]

Its the same as the old bleed build video u made before?

[balmy condor]

that might be REALLY old

but probably still 90ish% correct

[wary vector]

Nothing changed since then no?

[balmy condor]

assa didn't get any large changes for season 2

[wary vector]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

and then didn't get any large changes for season 3

so it's probably good enough

[rustic thunder]

I highly recommend shindigs video, 11.1.5 but things don’t change as much so it’s at least a great baseline

[balmy condor]

but I'm gonna make a s3 overall guide just to freshen it up

[wary vector]

Okay deal man thank you

[rustic thunder]

https://youtu.be/gHI4tRcugME?si=k7LxOfK_b8bcx3bB absolutely goated video

[wary vector]

I got 3k this season but i quit like 2 months ago due to work and shit and i wanna freshen up before new season drops

[normal mist]

He's still not whispyr 🐐ed

[wary vector]

I was so confused on what to play

[rustic thunder]

Tru, he’s close. He needs to put maplestory music in the background for his

[wary vector]

And dye his hair and hug his cat for 50% of the video

[normal mist]

That would seal the deal

Oh and monsters

Lots of them

[balmy condor]

unsponsored water*

mfw when it's 1am

but I see something wrong with the sims and I know I won't be able to sleep if I leave it

[dense cedar]

doing God's work

[balmy condor]

idk bout god

but it's definitely something

[dense cedar]

doing Satan's work

[balmy condor]

I spent most of the afternoon trying to find an explanation for a bimodel distribution

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/779604839281721345/1402061545784999971/image.png?ex=68928b11&is=68913991&hm=19e6da9e8c2d48b5ae296563e2c6bea667b74e2459df2595e28cd72589ac7d74&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

cause this ain't normal

[normal mist]

That's what my mind felt when I started going to the gym

First I was hyped, then hype started dying, then I stopped going

[worn badger]

Why are you weirdos still awake doing math ?

[balmy condor]

turns out its not an APL issue and it's just an artifact of the fight time

[normal mist]

Oof

[dense cedar]

its actually not late in the correct timezone

[balmy condor]

took a small army of TCs and the whole afternoon to try and explain it though

[normal mist]

Yeah it's 9am

[balmy condor]

I called in like 5 people

was a nightmare

[worn badger]

its 1am in the only correct time zome..

zone..

[tall jay]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[tall jay]

gm fine gamers

[grim jay]

10 am

[dense cedar]

6pm

[grim jay]

"so I got this problem thats driving me nuts, how about we let it drive you nuts aswell?"

[balmy condor]

I have smart friends man

I'm a dumbass

[grim jay]

Hey, you certainly do have your qualities fam

[tall jay]

lol, thats how I feel wheni comes to working with powerapps

[bronze pike]

It was a good read

I’m glad I didnt seriously get into ret tcing cause that looked like cancer to unravel

[neat shell]

no chance

[balmy condor]

bro sometimes I talk to people

be it like other tc's

or simc devs

or blizzard devs

and they're so fucking smart I just simply hear them talk and I'm like "oh fuck"

[steel ridge]

[balmy condor]

like the aura alone

[red schooner]

But then you look in here and go, 'maybe I ain't that dumb'

[balmy condor]

is intimidating

or they ask me a question or something

and I'm like god damn that's a good fucking question

I didn't even think about that

there are some wicked smart people out there man

[dense cedar]

hey we can have smart ideas too

like uh

What if

We didn't hold a mainhand weapon

[steel ridge]

there was this one time, in band camp, when we equipped 2 mythic slappers from nyalotha and only spammed FoK because you couldnt mutilate.

[midnight mist]

bro stop you are making me blush

dont go leaking our dms now

[balmy condor]

hey, no, don't say "we"

I spent all patch fighting against that

[steel ridge]

hahahahaha

good ol times

[balmy condor]

cause those fucking degenerates just saw corruption slapper damage

and went crazy

and I had to go in and say no no no

[dense cedar]

its called peak gameplay

[balmy condor]

you're a dumbfuck

[steel ridge]

times where simpler back then

[balmy condor]

and they went no no no

[steel ridge]

we didnt have slice and dice

[balmy condor]

and then 2 weeks later none of them could parse

cause it was bad

[steel ridge]

and used CT in ST

[balmy condor]

and then I said I told you so

and they said yeah maybe

[dense cedar]

Why is SnD even an active finisher anymore

[steel ridge]

Whispyr just rediscovering the other side of the coin... wicked stupid people

[steel ridge]

CDR on outlaw

[red schooner]

Bold of you to assume I could parse normally

[midnight mist]

to bait new people

into putting it into their bars

then they can go on reddit and complain about button bloat

[dense cedar]

like does Cut to the chase unlock 20 levels later or something?

[lost wharf]

Can I recraft my Season 2 dagger to Season 3 or do I have to make a new one?

[dense cedar]

wonder if anyone is binding detection to their bars

[vestal geyser]

I mean tbf, valid, there's no reason for SnD to be an active finisher anymore

[balmy condor]

you would need a new spark

[midnight mist]

btf i still use it as outlaw

as like

a finisher dump if im far

[steel ridge]

you can keep your dagger and its enchant if you put the new spark (optionally new crest) in

[midnight mist]

or i want to spend cps for cdr

like if i go into a pack with full cp, but my first button must be bf

i would rather snd before to get some cdr

[steel ridge]

this

[lost wharf]

And only pay recraft not whole new items?

[steel ridge]

correct

[lost wharf]

Wait, does that mean I could keep a socket on wrists too?

[steel ridge]

no

[balmy condor]

sockets are removed

[steel ridge]

socket goes away with new spark

[balmy condor]

with the new spark

yeah

[lost wharf]

Ah I see. Thanks

[dense cedar]

replace snd with old recoup for spending useless combo points

[steel ridge]

remove snd entirely and just up our baseline attackspeed?

[dense cedar]

i think leave cut to the chase is kinda fine i guess

[steel ridge]

its kinda redundant, innit?

[dense cedar]

plenty of specs have stuff that just stays up forver when playing normally

[steel ridge]

it just exists to confuse newcomers at this point... it can just be a passive... like the 15% movespeed or something

[dense cedar]

seems fine for us to have one

[vestal geyser]

yeah theres no reason for it to be an active button anymore

[dense cedar]

just don't need the active button

[vestal geyser]

the ability is fine

[dense cedar]

but for the outlaw cdr thing

[vestal geyser]

just remove the active

[dense cedar]

give us a utility finisher

that'd you'd literally never press otherwise

[steel ridge]

you mean like.... a stun?

we could call it kidney shot

[dense cedar]

that's useful tho

its gotta be somehting you'd only ever consider pressing in those situations zac mentioned

[midnight mist]

eh i mean its whatever

kinda niche

[steel ridge]

nah

bloat

[midnight mist]

i wouldnt care if snd got removed

[vestal geyser]

i think outlaw will live without the 0.01% increased dps from occasionally using SnD that way

[steel ridge]

too much bloat

[dense cedar]

idk i don't find rogue very bloated at all

some buttons feel kinda vesitgal tho

liek gs

and snd

[vestal geyser]

i dont think it is either but the button is as close to bloated as buttons can get

[steel ridge]

like look... blizzard introduced the one button thingy... they openly said its working as intended and they like that its better than 70% of the players or whatever... its their signal to be like... yeah maybe we really should reduce all that extra stuff classes have and streamline a bit...

maaaybe just maaaaybe some stuff got a bit convoluted

[vestal geyser]

tbh i think the only reason they introduced 1 button is so they can bring the market to console players

[dense cedar]

other than taking snd u couldn't really remove any buttons form sin i feel

[vestal geyser]

thats my conspiracy

[steel ridge]

sure, 1 button is to little... its boring af

[bronze pike]

Sadly a success

And funnily enough

[steel ridge]

but maybe like 8 buttons is peak? (guildwars doesnt have more than 8 buttons and its still going strong)

[bronze pike]

A actual dps increase for a lot of players lmao

[dense cedar]

gw2 is like 12 buttons you pressing constantly tho

[steel ridge]

thats exactly what its designed for^^ to enable steamdeck gaming... it opens up a huge market

[dense cedar]

most wow specs have 20 buttosn but you're pressing 4 of them for 90 seconds at a time

[steel ridge]

gw2 has 10 i think... 5 rotational, 1 selfheal, 3 utility and 1 ultimate

thats it

GO

[dense cedar]

"utility" is a fake concept

they're also damage buttons

plus their specs often have extra 1-4 buttons based on wahtever they do

plus a 2nd weapon of 5 more u buttons

[golden loom]

I dont wow button bloat is too much of a problem, theres deffo a problem with the talent tree etc just stacking damage buff on top of damage buff

[steel ridge]

second weapon doesnt add more buttons tho... it switches your bar

its like shapeshifting

and its fully optional... you can just opt to not do it if you are a casual

[dense cedar]

i mean

u can opt in assassination rogue to not upkeep ct or garrote

gw2 kidna bad game is pull this kidna stuff from anyways

[steel ridge]

you can ye but the single button doesnt, so you are deliberately downgrading for the sake of argueing

[dense cedar]

is htis convo about 1 button?

i didn't see that mb

i thought just about inputs in combat

[steel ridge]

nah, it was just an example of how games can work with less buttons and less "choice"

[dense cedar]

like i don't think a lot of buttons is that big of an issue if you aren't pressing them all the time

[steel ridge]

nah its gotten alot better lately

[dense cedar]

like if the "poisons" menu button stopped existing

and just had them all individually

it would be annoying for some

but it like wouldn't actually matter

[steel ridge]

but some of those abilities still exist in some passive form that doesnt really help the gameplay and just makes things complicated for newcomers (thistle tea)

like if you come to this spec and see that thing that automatically activates and you go like "wtf am i supposed to do, do i minmax that shit, do i press it manually?"

do i just not read at all, cause zug zug

[dense cedar]

thistle tea as it exists now just feels like devs not knowing waht to put in the rogue tree

[steel ridge]

yep

100% xD

[golden loom]

[dense cedar]

same but not keybound lol

psychotic

also

SMH

where wound poison

[golden loom]

I have it on my bars when I swap to pvp spec

[dense cedar]

across like all classes i feel like spec trees seem a little more realized than class ones

[golden loom]

if I would ever do that

[dense cedar]

the difference in what sits at the bottom of the monk class tree vs rogue one

is so different

[golden loom]

thats kinda obvious no?

[dense cedar]

then rogue vs mage

[golden loom]

3 different spec class vs 3x dps class

[dense cedar]

mage has mass barrier and stronger intellect and stuff

while we have 2 vanish and cold blood

[steel ridge]

stronger intellect is the most basic filler shit... it just exists cause they needed to get rid of time anomaly

[dense cedar]

b-but its the capstone

very important thing

[steel ridge]

capstone be like "you do 3% more dmg"

9000 IQ

[warm vortex]

Rogues have no intellect

We just huff our poisons and mash our funny little buttons

[steel ridge]

need a phd in gamedesign for that capstone

[dense cedar]

ye that's what i mean tho

[quiet oar]

Yes we have Poisons

but we dont ahve a poison dispell

or antidote

[dense cedar]

class trees have to do so much stuff

[quiet oar]

in case we get hit by our own Poison

Fucking hell

[dense cedar]

but even the triple deeps classes don't share this

[haughty flicker]

we microdose our own poisons so they dont work on us

[quiet oar]

Just put poison dispell on Vial

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/princess-bride-laugh-princess-bride-reactions-gif-4559258

[quiet oar]

Its a niche thing

But could help

[warm vortex]

Inconceivable!

[quiet oar]

in some scenarios

[steel ridge]

not a bad idea tbh

its minor but has flavour

wouldnt help with all the spaghetti in the class design

[warm vortex]

You accidentally confuse your poison bomb vial for your crimson flask

Just turn into goo

[dense cedar]

epic capstone

[warm vortex]

It’s actually peak

[steel ridge]

crimson vial as a whole needs to either be redesigned or go away... its too weak to matter and we still waiting for its upgrade since BfA xD

[fading stump]

In plus we play Fateboud?

[warm vortex]

Feign death my beloved

Saves me when my absolute dump truck ass pulls something

[dense cedar]

actually fucked up how rogue specific has such a damage focused capstone selection

[quiet oar]

Yes i know thst Talent

Thst Talent got me thinking

How Do we have not a poison dispell

[vestal geyser]

triple dps specs on a class will do that

[dense cedar]

that isn't the case for the others tho

[warm vortex]

Like hunter

As he just linked

[steel ridge]

mage has icecold, intellect and mass barrier in capstones

[dense cedar]

both mage and warlock are primarily defensive

hunter is mostly dps too

but has that poison thing

[golden loom]

yeah but mage also gets a lot of damage earlier on in the tree

[dense cedar]

ours are all throughtput based

[warm vortex]

Hell right above poison salve is a talent that prevents your tank from being crit (?????)

[steel ridge]

mage has a solid class tree yes, its not overly complicated but offers a bit of choice

[dense cedar]

that's fair

but its also like

the easier place to grab damage nodes

[warm vortex]

Well mage is the favourite

[dense cedar]

Warlock's class tree is kinda funny actually

[quiet oar]

Probsbly the Target of you misdirect right?

[steel ridge]

ye mage is main character for sure... thats why i play it nowadays

[dense cedar]

feels almost haphazardly placed

[warm vortex]

Nope

It’s like

[steel ridge]

you just get all the nice things

[warm vortex]

Lemmie get it rq

[steel ridge]

and you can kill your teammates after every key with dalaran portal

[dense cedar]

Like Demonic Gateway links into Shadowfury

insane design

[warm vortex]

It’s very strange

[quiet oar]

Yes

Thats for pvp and prolly if you have no Tank

Hell it was pretty useful for silken court

Because those fixate adds could crits

And thst was no bueno

[dense cedar]

its a little boring but i kinda like ff14's choice to just make pvp buttons their completly own thing

[warm vortex]

Imagine being this big fucking spider and a rat the size of a Lego stud somehow takes your crit away and shrugs it off

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[dense cedar]

is that part of your name because you use rat pets

[warm vortex]

Yes

[quiet oar]

Bro we stab dimensius the size of Storm Wind next season

And He fucking dies

Because of little pokes

[night vessel]

he is like a bubble thing

[vestal geyser]

true kinda weird an all powerful deity takes damage from poison

[night vessel]

stab it and it blows up

[vestal geyser]

like

just disable rogue for this patch

[warm vortex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/715328623372140546/1344334956024823859/image.png?ex=6892d03e&is=68917ebe&hm=2d99db20fdfa08e66d648cc2659069f5cc71c060f663d7cbcf4edd3d11387314&

[vestal geyser]

doesnt make thematic sense

[dense cedar]

oh truly just the RAT rats

[night vessel]

dimensius after first kingsbane

[dense cedar]

not even the funny hybrid ones

[quiet oar]

Shadow priests using Void stuff

Against a Void lord

[vestal geyser]

true

disable priests too

they wont mind

[dense cedar]

poison maybe wasn't naturally found in his environment, has no natural resistance

[vestal geyser]

they hate their rework anyways

[dense cedar]

bring back surrender to madness but just have it kill you after 3 seconds

[warm vortex]

Don’t diss my squad

I still want him as the mount

[stone charm]

Are we already switching FB or we need the new tier for it:) ?

[dense cedar]

marsuul are just very cute idk

[vestal geyser]

most of the power just comes from the buffs to the spec

i think you switch only in light cleave raid

and ST

DS everywhere else

[warm vortex]

I wonder what dimensious smells like

[stone charm]

yeah i mean, tomorrow i have to raid cuz my guild still wants the mounts from gally...should i switch to FB or stay DS?

[dense cedar]

the absence of odour

[night vessel]

just stay ds for now

[vestal geyser]

ahhh

[night vessel]

doesnt matter really

[vestal geyser]

just stay DS

[warm vortex]

Bro swaps from Orange to red hahaha

[vestal geyser]

it really doesnt matter yeah

[warm vortex]

ROAYL

[bronze pike]

How the fuck

[warm vortex]

*royal

[normal mist]

WHY CAN CN PLAYERS BE GOONERS AND WE CAN'T?????

[bronze pike]

Do you have

4 rats?

[dense cedar]

I feel bad for whoever has to work on the druid class tree

[dense cedar]

?

[warm vortex]

Call of the wild for the group shot

[bronze pike]

Ah

[bronze pike]

Total

This looks very close to some nsfw mods

[warm vortex]

Technically I could have 5 as chip would duplicate herself

[bronze pike]

And I got reaaaaally confused for a second there

[haughty flicker]

[normal mist]

VEN!

[dense cedar]

@warm vortex has Scare beast ever seen play?

[warm vortex]

Guys question

[normal mist]

https://x.com/MrGMYT/status/1952633314516287999?s=19

MrGM (@MrGMYT)

The Voidforged Overseer & the Void Bound Swimsuit are 2 new cosmetics that have been added to the CN region for Patch 11.2 as part of a promotion

X · Aug 5, 2025, 7:30 AM

[warm vortex]

What ones better

[normal mist]

Both

[warm vortex]

Unsure, S2 was the first tier I main smth that wasn’t rogue haha

[warm vortex]

Hey royal

[wild horizon]

Hey, is there anyone we can contact for discord improvements propositions ?

[normal mist]

To discord itself or?

[wild horizon]

No for this rogue discord

[normal mist]

What's up

[night vessel]

important question. where can i find pics of dimensius's toes?

[normal mist]

We can't yet

[night vessel]

yet

[normal mist]

I'm a believer

[warm vortex]

He probably has his dogs out under that swirly thing

[normal kindle]

@balmy condor Do we craft Stiletto this new SEASON?

[warm vortex]

I’d assume you’d craft a wep if you don’t get one from vault

For the MH

[quiet oar]

Thats Jailer mount but purple

wow

[jaunty notch]

they made an ugly mount uglier

wpgg

[grave harbor]

@balmy condor or anyone if can answer in m+, in boss fights without a funnel i want to always have 150+ energy? For sanguine

[balmy condor]

no

[orchid pewter]

The swimsuit though

[grave harbor]

Yesterday i was testing on ptr, a lot off time in ST im starving in energy , its normal ? Or prob im playing wrong

[balmy condor]

!design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[rustic thunder]

Single target is comfy

Just take a breather

👴🏻

[grave harbor]

Ty

[hoary remnant]

yeah lets screw over the other regions

[normal mist]

It is a weird system

[hoary remnant]

yeah idk. Idm some promotions but we all are playing the same game so everyone should get the chance to get it

[midnight mist]

i wnat the hat

the gooner suit is nice but

i want that aht

[normal mist]

Backpiece/gloves seem really good too

[coral jewel]

Any decent next action guide/priority helper addons/weakauras out there?
Like, something that tells you what to press next

[balmy condor]

hekili I guess

but also just like

blizzard has that in-built into the game now

just turn on the rotation assist

and it's good enough

[balmy condor]

tinfoil hat goes on, these special region-only items got pushed out to try and cover their ass for banning like a quintillion RMT/boosters

china as a region inherently runs on RMT

[tropic jewel]

What Are wie Playing to farm 7s next Season ?

[balmy condor]

bleed

[tropic jewel]

Bleed?

Alright thanks 🙂

[vestal geyser]

bleed deez

[balmy condor]

if it's not a +20

it's bleed

and lowkey based on PTR atm it seems like if it's a +20 it's still bleed

[tropic jewel]

Oh Shit really

[coral jewel]

I tried that and it didn't follow the wowhead guide at all lol

[balmy condor]

it's pretty close, what exactly is wrong with it