assassination

[hoary remnant]

ok

ty

[royal lantern]

tbf

they DID buff mutilate again

[stable apex]

I did not track this channel much, is there a FB vs DS verdict yet?

I assume FB is loosing 2+ targets anyway with how it works right?

[royal lantern]

ye

fb is just maybe actually a choice now on some fights

but to early to tell

[stable apex]

Makes sense

But on those niche fights I might as well stay Sub ?

Guess pulls/encounter dynamics will show 🤷‍♂️

[royal lantern]

i mean, lets be real

chances that sub will be AGAIN the "best spec" for early prog cus stuff needs to die asap are high

but do you play on a level where that matters

[stable apex]

not high enough to matter

but i personally want to be as optimized/prepared as i can with the time i can invest

so i will prob default to sub

and then see how thigns evolve

i wish i could just spam law every encounter everywhere 😄

but my brain be doing bad brain things making feel like im griefing that way

[royal lantern]

idk

if you wanna do impactfull dmg for raidfights, play a Protagonist class

[stable apex]

well i am the only rog

and i enjoy playing rog

so thats fine 😏

but i do have ret, dk and spriest alt for emergencies, mby should make a mage 🤔

[sinful holly]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[sinful holly]

!dungeonsim

[deft shard]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grand trail]

Does the fatebound have some specific opener compared to ds?

You use to use vanish and cb in some order ?

[bitter trout]

Wasn’t that with that old talent

[grand trail]

No idea

I never played fatebiund sin i think

[bitter trout]

Neither actually

He’s awake

[fallow sentinel]

Whispyr got u covered:
https://youtu.be/2kQzrwLEY0g?si=tp7SEiMG8j_qnsPF

[random fossil]

Hiya

[normal mist]

this guy doesnt 🙁

[novel star]

its true

i don't

want to play fatebound

[normal mist]

me neither

[bitter trout]

You do reallyyyyy

[novel star]

well

id like to play fatebound in the timeline where they decringed it

but we dont live in that one

[normal mist]

okay fine

[bitter trout]

Knew it

Fatebound enjoyer

[grand trail]

Not bad name

[normal mist]

my rogue alts

im pretty happy about my trollrogue

[small garnet]

how high is the chance of kingsbane actually getting th 1000% increase

[normal mist]

you pretty much always cap it

unless you're not attacking the KB target

or you dont have envenom buff the entire time

[random fossil]

gentlemen what would be the best way to catch up for someone who skipped s2

[grand trail]

Just do some keys

[lime onyx]

I’d say spam time walking to get adventurer gear then hop in normal raids and low M+ to get carried to champ gear, do weekly’s to get veteran, then grind from there

[grand trail]

I geared my warlock up to 677 in 4 days

[lime onyx]

It’s possible to skip the first parts if you have ppl willing to carry you thru high keys while you’re still garbage iLVL

[normal mist]

for S3 big numbers or to just have some gear b4 S3 starts

[lime onyx]

Yeah you can also easily catch up by just partying up for quests pre-season and doing it that way

[grand trail]

When i get some random gear I just do mines keys

Pointless trying to join others

I literary did 50 mine keys

It's much easier playing tank or healer

[normal mist]

for alts i just enjoy turning on warmode, doing worldquests (they all award 100 bloody coins once finished) and buying pvp gear veteran4/8, since we have like 10 catalyst charges is a fast way to just get 640 easily.
Nightfall is also a thing.

[restive hawk]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[lunar pond]

Opening with water and a new drink every time he drinks and then closing with water. I think I am going crazy

I got to the point where I was waiting for what the new one would be and the lemon juice bottle didn’t disappoint

[tulip tiger]

Hey do you guys agree with this? I asked chat gpt to rank all the dps specs from easy to hard. It put sin rogue at 23.

Im just testing chat gpts ability to research shit

[royal lantern]

maybe dont waste water and energy for slopgtp shit

[tulip tiger]

Im not here to debate ethics. Just on the ranking please.

[normal mist]

just check the official rankings

[drifting cloud]

we dont care about your chatgpt rankings

[royal lantern]

that has nothing zo do with ethics

its just dumb

[jaunty sky]

just debate chatgpt on it

[royal lantern]

"i ask a worse google search that has no idea what the words it says about something even mean, tell me what you think"

bruh

[tulip tiger]

Why are you guys getting so butthurt? Im just asking to see if you guys agree or not.

[drifting cloud]

why are you getting so butthurt? we told you to ask chatgpt again

[normal mist]

Chatpgt has no idea what those words mean and its entirely random

[random fossil]

gear for s3 ye

ty kings

[normal mist]

#assassination message I do this for alts, unless you want to really minmax ilvl, that would require M+ and maybe heroic raiding boost

[random fossil]

guildies are done with m+ and i dont wanna pug, so ill do that and hopefully beat my tank next week

[normal mist]

Keep in mind in a few days S3 will pre start and youll be able to do M0 dungeons (weekly) for like 680+ items

[drifting cloud]

nightfall is definetly very strong for alt gearing but yeah thats S2 stuff

[tulip tiger]

I think this time around im gonna try to gear up for both sin and outlaw

[random fossil]

im wearing like end of s1 gear, can i not do nightfall with that? (idk what nightfall is)

[normal mist]

Hallowfall event

[drifting cloud]

you can but gear will be irrelevant in 3 days from it :p

[normal mist]

on the far left side

[drifting cloud]

its just a very easy outdoor world event

[random fossil]

i guess i could just suffer with my gear and get s3 stuff from week 1 as well

[drifting cloud]

yeah youll get better gear from just campaign quests

[normal mist]

You'll be able to use weathered stones to craft like 670 gear most likely

[random fossil]

can i skip the season 1 island stuff as well, i never did that

[normal mist]

those are the stones that everyone get doing shit events and stuff

these ones but for S3

[drifting cloud]

yes

[random fossil]

bet, ill stick to osrs until wednesday then lmao

[normal mist]

the only thing you could work on

is the belt

[random fossil]

from delves right?

[normal mist]

yes

[drifting cloud]

that one is probably worth your time, just run some lvl 1 delves

[normal mist]

^

[random fossil]

lvl 1 delves for a 697 belt?

[normal mist]

yeah

[random fossil]

i see, alright ill probably do that then

thank u kings

[spice surge]

Its 701 at max

[normal mist]

they need to be like this tho

(the lightning around them)

[normal mist]

THIS, i just am lazy and didnt bother yet to level it

[prisma monolith]

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[random fossil]

cool cool

[placid pilot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[humble verge]

guys this is totally real yes yes, we are fotm, real, yes, real yes yes

[snow hamlet]

[normal mist]

We have counter measures!!

!fotm

[prisma monolith]

FOTM Info

• Fatebound is not playable in any AoE situation, and ESPECIALLY not in Mythic+. Don't bother.

• Tuning is nowhere near done and realistically won't be until mid-September; unless you enjoy playing rogue there is no point in you rerolling at this time, we don't bring anything impactful (e.g big aoe stops/party buff) to the group

• PTR sheets and PTR sims are borderline misinformation with how rapidly things are changing and most sims are not currently updated at this time. Again, this will fix itself as we get deeper into the patch and things solidify, but judging a reroll off of PTR tier lists and random sims or seeing one guy pump super hard on a stream is not indicative of anything.

[hoary remnant]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dqrJHycBnGJmnNUA8vJH7U

Hello I would like to share an early sim for trinkets until you get your bis from raid. This sim includes all trinkets to max champion track that you can get outside of the raid. So m0 to Bounty Delves. For sub and assa the PvP trinket is looking BiS!

[humble verge]

do you think they will bother reading it tho

[normal mist]

no, i don't think they will

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[hoary remnant]

Because you wont get bis first week even with splits

and why not show that you can farm your bis trinket very easy with doing some bgs or warmode stuff

[static glacier]

it's to inform early gearing

[hoary remnant]

yes

and early on you wont have Ritual Forge since everyone wants it

Or Prism

But what you can have is a pvp trinket 100%

[flat pier]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-iron-man-goon-gif-5902471035652079804

[vestal wren]

na, the list is wrong. this is the correct one

[burnt star]

The one and only accurate

[marble hemlock]

classic

[distant plinth]

True and real!

[jaunty sky]

the meta comp will def have rogue instead of priest yes yes yes

[humble verge]

yes

[dense cedar]

why does fatebound have to be so purposefully designed to suck in aoe

[earnest remnant]

for fun

[snow hamlet]

Why the opener in fb change to shiv>dm>kb (originally dm>shiv)? is there any benefit?

[candid crag]

How impact full is the extra mastery as dracthyr for assa rogues?

[spice surge]

Friction

[spice surge]

Is fine, similar to the other 1% races like belf or goblin

Since all stats are pretty much the same for assa

[dense cedar]

like why does one of the traits have to just stop working in like a single pack pull

[burnt star]

Sim them. It will be an eye opener. Depend how much u care. But it was 1.2% for me to go magdar orc.. so i did

[red schooner]

I just want to know why the fatebound tier set cooldown reduction is conditional. Like, dark ranger set is just a flat, 'yeah this cooldown is now shorter', so why is it reliant on the capstone for fatebound when that scuffs it for M+.

Its weird. Surely it'd be easier to just go, 'here, its 45/90, have fun'

[spice surge]

Friction

[royal lantern]

its T H E M A T I C

[subtle kiln]

sub had CDR. You got a copy to now be a 90 second spec. Enjoy.

[red schooner]

I don't like it

[subtle kiln]

The theme being give assa everything.

[dense cedar]

except for delivered doom and fate intertwined the entire tree just makes sense

[subtle kiln]

speed shroud next.

[dense cedar]

you could easly just improve baseline hand of fate, and make the two talents just some kinda aoe thing

[royal lantern]

sub is literally THE rogue raidspec for like 3 expansions in a row now and looks like it will be again for this tier, stop with that shity victim complex

[spice surge]

They could easily fix deathstalkers pain points too

[royal lantern]

that sub gaslighting bullshit has boomkin levels at this point

[dense cedar]

deathstalker stuff is mostly just mechaniclly stupid

[spice surge]

But theres clearly no time in the schedule for it

[subtle kiln]

Nice guy copypasta

[dense cedar]

fb on paper is just deisgned to not be enjoyable in aoe

[red schooner]

what have i started

[royal lantern]

thats no copypasta, its literally the game since SL

OMG SUB IS SO WEAK THEY GIVE EVERYTHING TO THE OTHER SPECS->raid releases and sub is objectively the best option

[subtle kiln]

Nothing. tyran just don’t want to acknowledge they’ve give literally everything to assa as a spec.

[royal lantern]

we had that for 6 raidtiers in a row now lol

[red schooner]

Midnight gives us redirect back but it only works on the mark. SHIP IT.

[spice surge]

Ye then they buff assa by 10% and everybody that isnt top 50 plays assa all tier

[subtle kiln]

And it doesn’t matter as a spec after 3 weeks.

Clearly sub dominated tier when no one is playing it.

[red schooner]

I just wanted to have a grumble about fatebound

[dense cedar]

the mark in deathstalker being shitty is honestly an oversight i can see being made when class design and encounter just aren't considered together properly

How do you write down how Delivered Doom works and think players would enjoy that

[spice surge]

Ye for assa, but for sub its honestly worse desgined for aoe than fatebound is

[red schooner]

My cook for it is, give us redirect back, it moves marks, dots and debuffs over to the other target instead.

[dense cedar]

Trickster is rly fun tho

imo i should say

[royal lantern]

no one plays sub because its a half finished mess of shit thrown togheter that they tune high so people play it, and when people are not forced to play it anymore they immediatly stop because it is, well, a half finished mess of shit

[dense cedar]

im super casual on any sub gameplay I do

[subtle kiln]

How do you put in a talent for leech to work from stealth.

[dense cedar]

and enjoy the little weird bits of coup

[subtle kiln]

But it’s the raid spec.

[red schooner]

I'm probably going to be sin this tier because I enjoy sub but I can't play it well enough to feel comfortable during prog

[subtle kiln]

fuckin cope harder on that

[dense cedar]

They want us to vanish > envenom for survivability

insane gameplay

[red schooner]

I'd like to play sub but escaping the shackles of one trick pony is hard.

[lusty kraken]

next season do we still CT in single target on bleed build?

[red schooner]

I believe so, yeah

Not seen anything to the contrary anyhow

[dense cedar]

Fate Intertwined feels like an oversight in design but delivered doom is just so sad

[royal lantern]

in pretty sure it doesnt even work that way

[dense cedar]

beautiful

envenom with leftover combo points from previous pack in M+ so healer can ignore u slightly more

ty blizz

this is the gameplay I wanna see

[earnest remnant]

took my funnel, took my 90sec niche, cant believe the absolute AUDACITY!

[lusty kraken]

took outlaw's bladeflurry

[light mountain]

how is using regular backstab in your shadow dance half finis— oh wait

[lusty kraken]

what's next

[subtle kiln]

Added execute to your 90. Had to one up it.

[red schooner]

They didn't take the purple though

[subtle kiln]

Soon

we are in a void tier

[dense cedar]

they should give sin goremaw's

[zenith prairie]

Is meld to stealth viable for M+ resets or is it still really buggy

[royal lantern]

who tf even wanted goremaws back

like srsly

goremaws???

[subtle kiln]

We wanted the original version with WM. We got the neutered version of both.

[red schooner]

#goremawsisnotacapstone

[subtle kiln]

the OG version was cracked

[dense cedar]

u talk like that and their gonna replace flag with sepsis

[royal lantern]

same as always, janky as hell

[dense cedar]

they should change rupture back to nightblade on sub for no reason

[earnest remnant]

surely they cant take more

[earnest remnant]

they kinda did with deathstalker

all there is left for them to take scath is our bugs

[subtle kiln]

Speed shroud! Ohhh maybe Tornado.

[earnest remnant]

and even those i kinda dont wanna give up

[drifting cloud]

im taking your gold

[earnest remnant]

its like a part of the spec

[subtle kiln]

Thematic

[red schooner]

But not all of the purple

[earnest remnant]

sure trade me all of your lost ark gold for it

[red schooner]

Sub still purples more

[subtle kiln]

I listened to all 40 minutes of Whispyr’s FB video. I almost choked when I heard the confidence in his voice of KB getting fixed.

must be nice.

[thorn spruce]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

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[royal lantern]

i mean, expecting that blizz fixes a tierset effect so it actually DOES something at all is normal

or are you now acting as if assa gets endless bugfixes and poor sub never gets anything

[earnest remnant]

waiting for the day that they fix so my season 2 set just doesent randomly stop doing anything, would go kinda hard

[subtle kiln]

did they fix totemic yet? I haven’t checked in a few days.

[royal lantern]

rogue is ignored

throw shit at blizzard for doing that, not at the other specs of your class that are equally ignored because for once a single thing got fixed

[red schooner]

Guys, why are sub and sin fighting each other when outlaw is right there.

The common enemy.

[subtle kiln]

and @royal lantern this you? Just checking since the half thrown together shit is buggy.

[royal lantern]

yahtzee pirate ate the 8minutes of dev time for this patch with the killingspree rework, lets blame them

[royal lantern]

yes, sub is the pinnacle of ignored

more news at 8

but somehow blaming the spec that is SLIGHTLY less ignored for it is just weird

[subtle kiln]

Let me know when you have your narrative straight.

[royal lantern]

blame blizz for endlessly glazing paladin/mage/hunter

dark ranger got reworked how many times again?

that shity tree got more changes then all 3 rogue specs combined in tww lol

[prisma cypress]

those are the popular girls

[maiden sierra]

@balmy condor i swear you said you had no clue how to make the video over 5 mins, i see dr.atnos trained you well

[indigo ravine]

Is there a list of top m+ trinkets for next season?

[scenic nacelle]

40 minute pookie video

[dense cedar]

main takeaway from the video is that Araz is gonna be abysmal dogshit to fight

[maiden sierra]

yes

[dense cedar]

wonderful exciting fight design

[hoary remnant]

Gameplay of sub is fun

[hoary remnant]

True 👍

[midnight atlas]

i have a friend who started recently and plays casually (making gold, transmogs etc)
rogue was the last char he leveled and he said all 3 specs are stupid and they barely make sense

[snow hamlet]

[marsh fjord]

[snow hamlet]

This may be true for some of these players.

[grand trail]

seems true for many since less playing class is rogue

(i actually dont know if evoker is lower but doubt)

[deft shard]

is fatebound more easy to play than deathslatker?

[midnight atlas]

its lower but if evoker was not tied to dragons more ppl would've played it

[deft shard]

with the video it seams

but maybe i cant see it

[midnight atlas]

isn't fatebound full passive tree? with some cold blood stuff

[grand trail]

You need to learn opener and that's all

[ebon tundra]

from everything ive been seeing, Sub and outlaw are just better next season.
Is this true or are the fight profiles better for assa?

[prisma cypress]

let me guess, you found some tier list on youtube

maybe some PTR sims

[midnight atlas]

you need to watch 20 tierlists and then make an average.

[maiden sierra]

fatebound looks fun

were so back

[ebon tundra]

3 spreadsheets all put assa as lowest dps on ptr

[prisma cypress]

oh, a spreadsheet

[golden loom]

yes cause those spreadsheets are meaningless

[maiden sierra]

god we love dem spreadsheets

[prisma cypress]

i think Leon should play ret paladin

that seems more appropriate

[maiden sierra]

i think leon should play what he wants to play

[ebon tundra]

crazy getting this triggered by a simple question

[maiden sierra]

you seem new

nobody here is triggered, we just like to rage bait

a lot

[ebon tundra]

i see

so ptr sims are just scuffed for assa?

[maiden sierra]

yes

[ebon tundra]

alright, thank you

[prisma cypress]

PTR sims are scuffed in general. stuff isn't implemented, APLs aren't finished

[golden loom]

in general its fake for every single spec

also sims should never be used to compare specs

they are a gearing tool

[prisma cypress]

all these tier list videos and shit are just clickbait

not only that, but there will inevitably be more tuning ahead

[raw marlin]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/21GZfqw7JWM

can you use this knockback in content raids/m+ lol?

[ebon tundra]

theyve been right for warlock the past 3 seasons

new to rogue

but thanks for the infos guys

[raw marlin]

this is the problem with tier lists, they are bollox but yet form the meta.. if there were no tier lists there would be no meta so therefore no tier lists or meta to be correct to, you get me.. no tier lists = no meta = no tier lists = no mate

[ebon tundra]

i was talking about sims

i know tierlists are just cringe and ragebait rn

[prisma cypress]

sims for any spec are only as good as that spec's implementation

they're not all created equal

theres a ton of stuff in PTR sims that's either outdated or unfinished

[golden loom]

the problem is that sims were never meant to compare specs, they are a gearing tool
For example lets take outlaw, its pretty much always the highest simming rogue spec
In reality though the raid bosses we fight arent a 5min patchwerk

then you get a raid fight with forced downtime or something and it falls of a cliff

[ebon tundra]

thats why i asked if the fight profiles are good for assa in my first question

[balmy condor]

They’re just as good as any other raid I guess

Most fights got some adds so you hit the boss and caustic, the ones that don’t have adds you hit the boss and don’t caustic

There’s nothing really crazy

[ebon tundra]

aight

so just

see what US plays on tuesday and copy it haha

[serene mason]

[balmy condor]

I mean we obviously have educated guesses from ptr testing

[serene mason]

That's how it works

[humble verge]

lads, what race do yall think for m+ now

ive got human, nelf and orc geared

[balmy condor]

But it’s either deathstalker if it’s heavy aoe or fatebound if it’s not heavy aoe, and they both play the same tree in raid

with the only difference being either caustic/no caustic, and Fatebound being required to play cold blood

The raid trees are incredibly rigid

[golden loom]

is signet the 2nd best 2min trinket after forge?

[balmy condor]

Probably yeah

[humble verge]

another 2min trinket in raid, or dung?

[golden loom]

guess I am ready for another season of signet then....

[humble verge]

gobfather

where is that one from

[golden loom]

mugzee

[humble verge]

oh neck

didnt see it was

[golden loom]

still worse than both of these

[humble verge]

xd

[burnt venture]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dense cedar]

priory so lame, why do we have to play it again

[balmy condor]

Cause dumbasses voted for trinkets and not dungeons

[dense cedar]

my break was too long away from the game, have we gotten arcway again yet?

[humble verge]

prio aint that bad tho

[frozen glacier]

vote for trinkets
blizzard nerfs the trinkets

[vestal geyser]

holy legion dps I haven't been keeping up are sims really showing 5m+ dps this season?

[humble verge]

couldve been worse

like stonevault

[balmy condor]

The amount of dooming and crashouts I’ve seen from like “I voted floodgate for pacemaker and they nerfed it wtf!!!!!!”

[balmy condor]

Yes, some specs are above 6

[vestal geyser]

that's insane

[balmy condor]

I mean we’re at 3ish this patch

[small cairn]

!Fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy condor]

It’s not that wild idk

[vestal geyser]

true, it just felt like it didnt jump as much from season 1 to season 2

maybe im cray cray

[nocturne quail]

The number is fake

[dense cedar]

3rd expansion they will make us do 400k again

[nocturne quail]

All relative

[balmy condor]

I think it actually jumped more from 1 to 2 because of turbo, corruption, and disc belt

[nocturne quail]

Plus raid renown buff

[humble verge]

midnight we will be back to shadowlands dps

[balmy condor]

Well that’s not in sims

[humble verge]

i hope

[nocturne quail]

It’s in the feel

Irl in game

[balmy condor]

They confirmed stat squish in midnight

Like a year and a half ago

[vestal geyser]

i am ready for a stat squish. big numbers fun but get so weird

[dense cedar]

maybe they will go crazy and make us do 4 digit dps for some reason

[balmy condor]

Idk it’s all the same to me really

100, 1 million, 1 billion

Like what’s it matter

[dense cedar]

how much the number stretches across their screen

[balmy condor]

I have floating combat text off

Wouldn’t know

[humble verge]

big number, more endorphibs

endorphins

[royal lantern]

i mean, BfA launch was like that again iirc

[vestal geyser]

shadowlands we were doing I wanna say like 5-10k at expac start? somehwere around there

[dense cedar]

at least big numbers make tuning easier

[balmy condor]

Sounds about right

[balmy condor]

Huh

[dense cedar]

compared to like, double digits

[royal lantern]

?

big numbers make it harder if anything

[balmy condor]

HUH

[vestal geyser]

i think he's right actually right?

[dense cedar]

hmm might be stupid

[balmy condor]

HUHHHHH

[dense cedar]

but like

[vestal geyser]

like if you only have 10 numbers

[dense cedar]

if something was balanced to hit like

[vestal geyser]

and wanna nerf

[balmy condor]

What the helly

[dense cedar]

45 and something else to be 60

[vestal geyser]

you have to go down to 9

or whatever

[royal lantern]

cus with bigger numbers you nees biger jumps so the people "feel" it

thats what i mean whisp

the "real" balance is the same

[balmy condor]

That’s… just not true though

[dense cedar]

that ends up being a pretty big variance

[balmy condor]

You do 100 dps, your spec gets aura buffed by 5%

[vestal geyser]

like whole number adjustments become much more impactful with less numbers available right?

[balmy condor]

You do 105

[vestal geyser]

am i crazy?

[balmy condor]

You deal 100 million dps, you get buffed by 5%

You’re doing 105 million

[royal lantern]

the difference is that for many people that "feels" smaller

thats kinda what i meant

[balmy condor]

Idk, I guess?

[royal lantern]

big numbers make smaller increases feel smaller then they are

[balmy condor]

But like 5% is 5%

[vestal geyser]

say like crazy example you're doing 10 dps and they wanna nerf you, but they can only go down to 9, thats 10% of your dps

[nocturne quail]

I swear we doing same dps rn as a shadowlands patch but we doing millions instead of thousands

[dense cedar]

i mean i don't personally know how the game rounds its math

[vestal geyser]

i think thats what he means but obvi that would never be our dps

right>

right

[balmy condor]

Well yeah they wouldn’t go down to double digits, that would also mean that equipping upgrades would not increase your dps

[nocturne quail]

You’d do 10.015

[balmy condor]

You’d need gear to be strong enough to get you a full 10%

Which like

Lmao

[dense cedar]

i was saying the thing i said because i was tihnking how silly it'd be to make us do like 100dps or osmething

wasn't saying like

[balmy condor]

100 works

10 does not

[vestal geyser]

i think 100 is enough yea

10 wouldn't

[royal lantern]

nah, the stat squish will put our overall dmg probably in the 8k-12k range again

[dense cedar]

should be 1-2dps

[royal lantern]

was like that the last time it happend iirc

[vestal geyser]

imagine classic numbers again

pog

lets all do 2 dps

anyone catches a nerf

50% damage nerf

[dense cedar]

100 dps is balancable

[royal lantern]

in the end, who cares what the numbers are really

[balmy condor]

But yeh, tryan’s right, they’ll put us back in the thousands and that’s good enough

[dense cedar]

but if ur doing 80 or that 100 with like

mut

that'd be dogshit design

they should do that

[vestal geyser]

numbers aren't even real

i do fake dps

[sterile swallow]

The thousands is IMO a good spot. But why are we talking about squishing?

[prisma cypress]

it's all zeroes and ones in the end

[royal lantern]

one is confirmed for like 2 years now

[dense cedar]

maybe even a 2

if ur lucky

[vestal geyser]

i do quantum dps actually

[sterile swallow]

Yeah just thinkg it would be talked about closer to the end of the current season.

[vestal geyser]

both 0 and 1 dps

[west swallow]

anytime i read a message of whispyrs it doesnt feel like the same person that hits me with a hiya at the beginning of all his videos

[dense cedar]

some people already doing 0 dps on live

[vestal geyser]

most of my guild does negative dps tbh

[dense cedar]

that's called playing healer

smh

[vestal geyser]

mw monks be like

[balmy condor]

Text is weird when there’s no face behind it

[rose sky]

is shadowmeld a option in m+ when the tank is chainpulling all the time ?

[balmy condor]

Technically yes

It’s pretty inconsistent

[west swallow]

big true

[balmy condor]

But when it works yes

[dense cedar]

not the same person tbh, anytime Whispyr directly replies to me its filled wiht vieiled toxicity ofc

[prisma cypress]

when i load the video and it's not a cartoon cat girl

[rose sky]

thanks ❤️

[balmy condor]

I’m trying my best man

[balmy condor]

VEILED? I gotta step it up

[vestal geyser]

speaking of vids

[dense cedar]

[vestal geyser]

so excited to actually hopefully

play fatebound in raid

deathstalker drives me nuts sometimes

[dense cedar]

worst part of fb, no bait and switch

[vestal geyser]

no bait and switch sucks

[vestal wren]

fatebound hype goes up!

[vestal geyser]

but omg the amount of times my mark has bugged

[dense cedar]

sub Deathstalker hype in severe decline

[vestal geyser]

or straight up disappeared

[normal mist]

im ready for fatebound too

[vestal geyser]

its actually so freaking buggy

its insane

but so is rogue in general

I've straight up had entire kingsbanes just

[dense cedar]

rogue is blizz fav class

[vestal geyser]

disappear off my target

[dense cedar]

al lthe devs play it

and have a swell time

[vestal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/tawa-gif-12592035089535050267

the best part of this coming patch has been watching the warrior specs go crazy experiencing what its like to be a rogue and having absolutely nothing done to their class

minus prot ofc

they got tuned

[humble verge]

did warrior lose cap?

[raw marlin]

I really wish we could play fatebound in m+, I'm watching your fatebound video now as I eat dinner but just having a change and fatebound just seems somewhat 'fun' - maybe its just new though

[vestal geyser]

arms and fury barely got touched

[dense cedar]

its really my fault that rogue gets shafted so much actually

[vestal geyser]

they hardly changed at all

basically rogue experience

[night crag]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal lantern]

@subtle kiln get him, he is responsible

[dense cedar]

can't be coincidence that windwalker monk is my fav after rogue

i must be causing this

[raw marlin]

this is about the level of DPS it does lol

[raw marlin]

same, my name in monk discord is Buff Rogue, Nerf Monk

[royal lantern]

you are the evil rogue dev that is the only person working on the class and actually hates it

[raw marlin]

But it isnt working

[royal lantern]

i knew it

[vestal geyser]

fatebound in mythic plus would be sick just for a change of pace

not worrying about target switching so much would be nice

[royal lantern]

weeeeeell.....................

about that.............

[vestal geyser]

oh i know its bad

but copium

hell of a drug

[raw marlin]

this is interesting when in 'practice' sin seems to out DPS them all?

[humble verge]

no me, i keep topping every m+ i join wether my ilvl is 620 or 680 😔

[prisma cypress]

it's not just bad, it's deliberately designed to be bad in aoe

[vestal geyser]

yeah i dont get that part

[vestal wren]

dungeon slice has short living adds, so its not that great for assassiantion.
Also whispyr still works on the 11.2 apl so results will go up potentially in the near future.

[vestal geyser]

like why design an entire hero spec to be bad in aoe

doesnt make sense

[raw marlin]

blame whispyr got it

[vestal wren]

no the opposite

he is doing a great job

[raw marlin]

i mean for higher dps

so therefore i am more % wise worse than said sim

[vestal wren]

aoe changes i found for subtelty are like 0.2% for dungeon slice

thats not much

https://tenor.com/view/bearish-bearishaf-bearish-af-cute-kawaii-gif-7191984142813505213

[raw marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-rlcs-rogue-fans-win-rocket-league-gif-21921799

[vestal geyser]

also wtf is up with crimson tempest nerfs i get there was compensation buffs to even it out but

[raw marlin]

cause fuck rogue

[golden loom]

CT was and is still a broken ability

[raw marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/223-gif-3253221773663411465

[golden loom]

[vestal wren]

I think any nerf/buff always comes with a context

[raw marlin]

we are EN - venom

[vestal wren]

its just bad because we don't get the context from blizz

[vestal geyser]

I know it was strong and still is but like so is divine storm?

[vestal wren]

so you are free to guess^^

[vestal geyser]

for pally

[raw marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/yomi-hustle-your-only-move-is-hustle-mutant-okizeme-envenom-gif-12340987862268958720

[vestal geyser]

its like all they press

[royal lantern]

CT WAS kinda overtuned

the amount of dmg it did by just pressing the button once was extreme

[vestal geyser]

and does a bajillion damage

[raw marlin]

yh but per click

it does less

we should be able to infinitely stack bleeds lol.. 10 stacks of CT on mobs lol

[vestal geyser]

I mean yeah i get it but i feel like assa rogue is complex enough in aoe

let me have something easy please

[vestal wren]

it was, but also its like 4? seasons after they made it do insane damage

[raw marlin]

sin is easy

every spec in the game can be learnt on the base level in like an hour

[golden loom]

I mean the nerf doesnt change anything

[royal lantern]

eh, this season it went kinda overboard

[golden loom]

you still press it

[dense cedar]

i never expect it, but a short sentence explain why they chose to do something would be nice

[raw marlin]

back in a bit boys

[vestal geyser]

i mean I don't think its hard anymore but its definitely not easy to learn in aoe

especially compared to something like paladin or hunter

or honestly a lot of other specs

[dense cedar]

legit could just be "we are finding X overperforms in many M+ scenarios" or w/e

[vestal wren]

think its more of a defense mechanism

[golden loom]

when you have a build pressing CT in ST

[vestal wren]

its easier to not say anything

because its hard to make everyone happy

[golden loom]

it makes some sense to nerf it

[dense cedar]

can't be wrong if ur seemingly doing things for no actual reason

[vestal wren]

also a good game has people less angry than if the game is only in a mediocre or bad state

[vestal geyser]

I know we were pressing in ST but like just buff the other abilities to make it not worth pressing imo

considering we're already underperforming in the sims

it was only JUST worth pressing in ST

wouldn't be that hard to just edge it out

idk i just love CT lol

[vestal wren]

what if you don't agree to the change

selling nerfs is rly hard

[vestal geyser]

its still good but feels bad

[golden loom]

you will still press it with the nerf

[vestal wren]

you need a lot of context to make a nerf feel fair

even if a spec is overtuned obviousely

and wow is sparse in information

[vestal geyser]

are we pressing it in ST in season 3 m+?

[vestal wren]

and this with how much information we have from simulations/etc

[vestal geyser]

seems like it'd be better to just spend those CP envenoming

especially with nerf

[balmy condor]

In bleed build yes

[vestal geyser]

oh

😮 well now i feel dumb lol i mean i do agree i dont like pressing it in ST

feels weird

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t help when the information we have from sims is “ “

[dense cedar]

ST CT is actually peak gameplay

[royal lantern]

thats the HUGE thing

[balmy condor]

Brewmaster sims still don’t have a tier set

Cause they legit don’t know how it works

[royal lantern]

gotta get more drunk

[balmy condor]

It’s all scripted and jank

If blizzard wasn’t so far behind during ptr it would legit make everyone’s lives so much easier

But half the class TC’s are still cramming changes

[vestal wren]

+1

[balmy condor]

And implementation is all over the place

[vestal wren]

and you suffer the consequences

and need to speedrun apl stuff

[balmy condor]

Ye

[vestal wren]

i did check aoe stuff today for sub, but thats in context a lot smaller

so subtlety got easy off this patch

[balmy condor]

I was legit changing the Fatebound apl after I had recorded the video last night going over Fatebound

[dense cedar]

secretly this is blizz's plan to make the game feel more mysterious again

[balmy condor]

Like

This patch is absolute hell

[vestal geyser]

is bleed build still simming the highest in s3 for assa? we still running it outside of niche scenarios?

[balmy condor]

Logic doesn’t really change much

[royal lantern]

seems like it

[balmy condor]

Bleed is going to be the best for a while because it’s easier and spreads it damage out and you just get singular focus

[subtle kiln]

soulda went with the 5 min cut instead of the dratnos cut

[balmy condor]

And then eventually people will see boss take forever

And go back to cleave or hybrid or something kingsbane/envenom focused

[dense cedar]

kingsbane is a fun button

[subtle kiln]

i do appreciate you saying prog & parse

wdym my adds disappeared. i thought DS was better

[balmy condor]

Bro it’s 10am on a Sunday before the patch and I’m stressing for how much I still gotta TC and how “wrong” the guides are

I ain’t got time for editing shit down

[dense cedar]

said earlier but main thing that video had me thinking is how awful araz sounds

[royal lantern]

let linux edit for you

[vestal geyser]

get chatgpt to do it

[subtle kiln]

it's ok, i just put it on as background noise to help your engagement

[vestal geyser]

xD

[balmy condor]

Bro that fuckers sleepin on the job

[royal lantern]

hes just like me fr

[subtle kiln]

at least it's not a 5 hour Max stream cut

not to make more work for you ,but welcome to 1:30 you may want to check APL for using PVP Badge 1min trinket

that saved sub early on without HoC

[balmy condor]

I’m surprised more people didn’t comment on my water

[balmy condor]

Yeh it’s fine it’s just not bis

[subtle kiln]

i figured it was vodka

[balmy condor]

But Fatebound isn’t 1:30 until 4pc anyway

And you can easily farm a lily before that

[robust pulsar]

I love me some non-sponsored water

[balmy condor]

So it’s kinda whatever

[subtle kiln]

i'll take the easy crate farm

30 dungeons later and no lily

[subtle tundra]

this game sucks

[vestal geyser]

if ritual forge doesn't get nerfed are we still playing FB in ST or

[subtle tundra]

@balmy condor

[dense cedar]

TRUE

[balmy condor]

Was a test to see how many people are actually still watching, at like 25 min in I just fucking raw dogged a squirt of lemon juice

And no one bat an eye

[dense cedar]

really cool this is the patch I come back to raid, ty blizz

[subtle kiln]

what are you raiding on?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[subtle tundra]

on prague

[vestal geyser]

sick

im now looking for the lemon juice

[balmy condor]

I mean if you watch, I dont drink the same thing twice

It was water, Mountain Dew

[dense cedar]

I don't wanna tell you how to live your life whispyr

[balmy condor]

Then it was uh like an orange v8

[dense cedar]

if that's what u like doing, go for it

[balmy condor]

Peach monster

White monster

Lemon juice

[robust pulsar]

I was too focused on the fatebound knowledge bombs to notice

[balmy condor]

[whole snow]

antenna is gonna be the next trinket to get nerfed

calling it now

[subtle kiln]

did you finish any of them?

[balmy condor]

I mean eventually I did

Except the lemon juice

[vestal wren]

how i image your setup now

[subtle kiln]

flat peach monster

[balmy condor]

Some days yeah

[vestal geyser]

now im looking closer and i just noticed the piano in the back

you play it ever?

[balmy condor]

I used to

I went to uni for music composition

So having a piano was kinda needed

[young minnow]

is there 11.2 updated guide somewhere?

[vestal geyser]

thats sick, I'm at uni for voice performance

[balmy condor]

Guides will update on Monday most likely

[balmy condor]

I suck at singing

[young minnow]

Thanks. Does 11.2 assa require tab bleeding in aoe scenario ?

[balmy condor]

I’m more of a “hum the note and let Sibelius figure it out” kinda guy

[young minnow]

or just send it on prio target

[balmy condor]

Just as much as it did in 11.1

So like, maybe?

[vestal geyser]

I suck at writing so

[balmy condor]

Depends a lot on the pull

[young minnow]

never played assa thats why im asking

not sure how hard is it to maximize dmg

[balmy condor]

Long pulls you would want to individually rupture

On pull you have a talent that spreads it for you

Some people tab, some people mouseover

Some people just hit the same target and let the talent spread it cause they can’t be fucked

All valid

[vestal geyser]

as long as your tank is nice and lets you stealth

i hate using vanish when i dont need to

[balmy condor]

If the tank is nice they wouldn’t let you stealth

[dense cedar]

vanish gaming

[young minnow]

right... last thing, would night elf be bis race to play for m+ cuz of the stealth ambushes?

[balmy condor]

Cause then your details bar is huge

[balmy condor]

No

[vestal geyser]

shadowmeld isnt a real stealth

[balmy condor]

The stealth from shadowmeld is inconsistent at best

And the ambush is the least you get out of that

If anything you would use it to spread bleeds

[dense cedar]

u should jsut play nelf cos they are cute and do silly bounce

[balmy condor]

But most of the time it’s either just orc for damage, dwarf to cleanse debuffs

[vestal geyser]

play nelf and go for the most spin jumps

[balmy condor]

Nelf is used sometimes but mostly to cheese mechanics

[vestal geyser]

thats ultimate gameplay

[young minnow]

holy fuck u guys are so nice and informative compared to other discords

like wtf

XD

[dense cedar]

people talk about how good dwarf cleanse is

but i never see dwarfs outside of like paladin

[vestal geyser]

coming from warrior discord, eh?

[young minnow]

warrior is nothing to mage

[balmy condor]

I’m the most toxic guy here allegedly

[young minnow]

how dare you come without excel

[red schooner]

How dare you lie about me like this

[dense cedar]

Whispyr literally talked earlier about wanting to become more toxic towards people

[balmy condor]

I’ve failed you my son

[dense cedar]

[young minnow]

thanks all of you guys

❤️

[vestal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/arthas-lich-king-prince-arthas-the-frozen-throne-warcraft-gif-2172118759711761391

[golden loom]

fatebound... could be the move

[dense cedar]

they should have a unique effect agility dagger next tier

[prisma cypress]

the mage discord didn't even have spec-specific discussion channels until a couple years ago. psychopath behavior

[dense cedar]

so people can complain about favouritism for rogue

[red schooner]

Mage behaviour

[vestal geyser]

unfortunately

not

[dense cedar]

rogue discord has always been ahead of the curve for actually being useful

delivered doom is so fucking dumb

i hate seeing it

[golden loom]

what if I told you

I cant read

[balmy condor]

Mage discord feels like a conglomerate of mega-nerds yapping over some proprietary tool one of them made to compare 3xfsnopyro to bracer5piflamestrike

And you’re just sitting there wondering what alien speak they’re doing

[golden loom]

that goes kinda hard

[dense cedar]

mage discord probably sucks cos u never get people asking stuff like "do I need to use daggers to play assassination?"

[balmy condor]

True actually

[vestal geyser]

good question

when do i get to use double two handers

[balmy condor]

The people who would ask those sorts of things would open one channel and see a heated discussion over a candlestick graph and their heads would simply explode

[golden loom]

what if I flamestrike on 14 target while having PI and augmentation buffs but my tank moves and I miss my flamestrike

[vestal geyser]

"the group should probably vote to abandon right then and there because you're clearly incompetent" - some mage probably

[red schooner]

The only other discord I'm in is the druid one and the feral channel is 50% cat gifs

Which... is on point.

[vestal wren]

can i unbind stealth? (its a joke)

[prisma cypress]

you assume they're using keybinds in the first place

[dense cedar]

i actually don't have un-stealth bound

im a sicko

[vestal geyser]

my old GM would click everything

[dense cedar]

did they also kb turn

[prisma cypress]

stealth and un-stealth have been bound to 1 for the last 20 years and i'm not about to change it now

[vale shore]

as would be expected from the leader of the assassin rogues discord!

[vestal geyser]

i dont know, i stopped listening to them after i heard the clicking thing

[dense cedar]

my stealth button is a macro that doesn't let me unstealth with it

so i can just spam it

[vale shore]

I type "/stealth", have for the last 20 years!

[balmy condor]

What’s a kingsbane turn

[vestal geyser]

this is the best way

[balmy condor]

It’s thematic

[dense cedar]

its when you apply kingsbane and walk away

[balmy condor]

Yeah I played Dragonflight

[dense cedar]

i was too absent from DF to get this

gonna assume its really funny

[vestal geyser]

unironically i kinda miss it

even though i know logically it was bad for the spec

[balmy condor]

The end of Dragonflight we were vanishing the last 3 seconds of kingsbane just to try and make it crit

Full stacking every buff known to man onto the end of kb

[vale shore]

so toxic...

[dense cedar]

playing like u have old MA

[balmy condor]

Ye

Kingsbane: the spec

But no more

[dense cedar]

100% MA so much fun actually

super Seal Fate gaming

[balmy condor]

We are now envenom: the spec

Move over kingsbane

Another 5% envenom buff

[dense cedar]

midnight is gonna let us stack 5 envenom buffs at once

[balmy condor]

Need another 75% ct nerf so we can make room for more envenom buffs

[vestal geyser]

idk if its just me but it feels so weird that our major cd does so little damage when you just compare it envenom

[marsh fjord]

Im a old man i gotta remember now that when fatebound to shiv before deathmark and when DS shiv after deathmark. oh boy

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s like 8-9% of your overall dps and you only press it once every 2 minutes, that’s pretty wild

[dense cedar]

would be funny if they changed caustic now after all this

[balmy condor]

Honestly ain’t all that good, it’s like remembering to dry shiv

[dense cedar]

it does more for us then just damage tho

well

[balmy condor]

Ye

[vestal geyser]

I yearn for the days that it was doing 20% of our damage

[dense cedar]

it makes more damge from other things happen

I guess that's still damage lol

[balmy condor]

I mean just on details it’s 8-9#

[marsh fjord]

yeah i just gotta remember it lol

[golden loom]

meanwhile fatal intent procs once the entire fight and does thermonuclear levels of damage

[balmy condor]

We’ve never had a cooldown that did that

[balmy condor]

Yeah true (do not open logs and check)

[dense cedar]

i think legion KB looked kinda like that

iirc

[vestal geyser]

I'm probably just misremembering from DF

[cerulean plover]

hi

[balmy condor]

Maybe it got close but poison bomb was cranking

[golden loom]

🤝

[balmy condor]

Deathmark is by far stronger than vendetta ever was though

[dense cedar]

poison bomb aoe being invisible is all-time insane design moment

[balmy condor]

Goated talent holy

[vestal geyser]

Okay yeah the hot sauce buff was so dumb

Literally just a lore buff

[dense cedar]

i remember get actually so fucking mad when a tank would just move slightly for basically no reason as my pb hit the ground

[vestal geyser]

I would go whole fights without proccing it sometimes

[balmy condor]

Simpler times

[dense cedar]

and they didn't know how rogue worked cos no-one butrogues do

[balmy condor]

Except actually probably not simpler

[dense cedar]

so me saying there's a secret invisible aoe that does all my aoe damage

makes me sound insane

[balmy condor]

Cause assa right now is pretty braindead

[marsh fjord]

@balmy condor i was looking at the trinkets. if we go shard + ari dani trinket does that mean we gotta double on use?

[balmy condor]

What

[marsh fjord]

The agi trinket that builds

[balmy condor]

Ritual forge?

[marsh fjord]

no

hjold on

let me get the name

[vestal geyser]

Come on dont you know

[dense cedar]

prism?

[vestal geyser]

The agi trinket

The one that gives agi

[dense cedar]

that's the building one i remember

no clue waht it actually does

[balmy condor]

yeah maybe prism

[vale shore]

I am going for another Wrathstone from Lich King timewalking!

[warm vortex]

Can’t believe the Assa guide writer doesn’t know the agil trinket

Next up he is gonna say he doesn’t know the on use trinket

[balmy condor]

The trinket tier list we put on wowhead guides

Literally just throwing a fistful of baked beans at a wall

[dense cedar]

bet he doesn't even know about the KtR + LM + JJbP build for M+ on the PTR

[balmy condor]

Unrecognizable in a weeks time

[vale shore]

okay but which exact baked bean hit the wall the highest!?

[vestal geyser]

Just press the damage button

[marsh fjord]

Sorry i meant prism.

[vale shore]

that chunk of slimey bacon that is in each can?

[balmy condor]

Okay yeah so what about prism?

[marsh fjord]

Does that mean it's double on use?

[balmy condor]

No

[marsh fjord]

because of the 1.30 trinket

[steel ridge]

what hero talent are we looking at for m+? still deathstalker i presume?

[balmy condor]

Prism would be your 1:30 trinket

[vestal geyser]

Yes

No contest unfortunately

[marsh fjord]

I get that but don't you want dani trinket as your 1.30 with the 10k mastery

[balmy condor]

Sure

[marsh fjord]

Or is it one or the other?

[balmy condor]

So then you wouldnt prism

[marsh fjord]

you stat stick something beside it?

[balmy condor]

Yeah ofc

[steel ridge]

SD Bleed funsies still a thing after CT nerf or does the Tierset push us into the Envenom prio playstyle?

[marsh fjord]

thank god i hate double on use

[balmy condor]

It’s like the same shit as now

[marsh fjord]

yeah

[vestal geyser]

You dont want 2 on use trinkets 99 times out of 100

[balmy condor]

Would you wear house of cards and a signet?

[marsh fjord]

what stat stick is there in season 3?

[marsh fjord]

nah you dont

[balmy condor]

Sacbrood

Crystal

[golden loom]

arakara trinket, pacemaker, dawnbreaker

[balmy condor]

Antenna

Pacemaker

[vestal geyser]

Soooooo many

[golden loom]

eye of kezan

[vestal geyser]

Because we vote for trinkets in this game not dungeons

[fallow canopy]

Goon squad hotline for the FB edging

[balmy condor]

The only time we would ever play double on use is if there’s a crazy on-use damage trinket, like magnet or the fucking meteor from sarkareth or something

[marsh fjord]

and if we would go araz. you would use on it on pull and then on 3 minutes? i aint no way removing my tierset LOL

[balmy condor]

Yeah and then we get mad when they do tuning on the trinkets, cause we’re absolute clowns who don’t understand how the game works, but we’re gonna vote on trinkets instead of dungeons next expansion as well and get mad about it again when they tune them again

[dense cedar]

araz is actually gonna be F tier trinket for us because we won't be getting given it

[balmy condor]

[open gulch]

Hi, does anyone could share ptr talent build that most likely would be played ? I wish to test assa out before patch

[marsh fjord]

Same build as on live

[vestal geyser]

The tragedy that is Ara Kara returning is making me despair

[open gulch]

thanks

[vestal geyser]

The amount of groups that I've had that couldn't handle the last boss

[marsh fjord]

they made it way easier now tho

[dense cedar]

think it was changed a bunch

[balmy condor]

Yeah, right now you either hold for 2 min or play trinket on 3min

[vestal geyser]

Wait really

Where do i find the changes i need to know

[marsh fjord]

Only 3 people get posion

not 5 anymore

[balmy condor]

Patch notes from like 7 months ago

[marsh fjord]

cool thanks

[vestal geyser]

I'm behind 😭

[vestal geyser]

Okay that was the toxicity we were looking for

Keep it up

[dense cedar]

secret best part of legion is never having to care about getting a dagger

[balmy condor]

Wasn’t even toxic that’s just where you find them

[dense cedar]

need that in midnight

[balmy condor]

😩

[weary spear]

Bleed simming less patchwerk than hybrid in S3?

[marsh fjord]

Whispyr do you know i laughed with your new video

In the beginning you had a water

[weary spear]

Oh there’s a vid nvm

[marsh fjord]

then you had a monster energy

then you had a green bottle

[balmy condor]

Maybe, maybe not

[balmy condor]

At least someone noticed

[marsh fjord]

😄

[dense cedar]

Bleed will sim best because I want it to

i ahve decided

[marsh fjord]

i notice you all the time bro

[normal mist]

I honestly heard the whole video, but only watched like the first 10 minutes

[marsh fjord]

in the corner

right now

[balmy condor]

You didn’t get to experience the bit

Missed out

[normal mist]

gotta watch it again

[vestal eagle]

guys i was studying the video of whisp but i cant keep 2 coins up for the sake of it, im not sure if i got it right in the opener?
I understood that while CB is on you vanish and envenom from the vanish?

[weary spear]

Bleed ST is good if you get a death mark in execute with lust

[vestal geyser]

Its a whole thing the opener guarantees all 7

[weary spear]

Pug idk

[vestal geyser]

In season 3

You can't guarantee the lucky coin on live

[marsh fjord]

If you do your opener properly yers

[balmy condor]

You don’t have to envenom from the vanish, it’s just the next finisher

Could vanish and then mut 75 times

[marsh fjord]

The vanish is only there to gaurenteed the hero talent

[dense cedar]

tier sets are such a weird concept now

[vestal geyser]

I'm going to do that now

[marsh fjord]

i forgot the name

[vestal geyser]

Heard it here first

[dense cedar]

100% positive thing having the catalyst to get it

[balmy condor]

Double jeopardy yeh

[dense cedar]

but like why even have it tied to gear anymore

[marsh fjord]

this yes

see i payed attention to your video whispyr

[vestal geyser]

Whispyr says 75 mutilates optimal

[balmy condor]

[marsh fjord]

All you bozo's go watch the video before you ask qeustions

[tight ginkgo]

My next raid log I will vanish and mutilate 75 times and then ask this channel why my parse was so low

[dense cedar]

didn't get PI

unlucky

[marsh fjord]

screenshotted and send to your raid leader

so you get benched

[tight ginkgo]

[vestal geyser]

Just say whispyr told you to do it

[dense cedar]

anyone here enjoy doing mechanics?

🦗

[vestal geyser]

Oh you mean like

When I get a big number on details?

Those mechanics right

[spice spire]

Yes

[dense cedar]

[balmy condor]

The mechanics of straight jorkin it between deathmarks

[spice spire]

also yes

[dense cedar]

i always liked being the perosn assigned to do some dumb task in a fight

[marsh fjord]

it might be a unpopular opinion but i think i prefer only 1 hero talent good so we dont have to swap every boss in the raid

don't hit me

[dense cedar]

cos i legit just hate when the person who is assigned other than me sucks at it

[vestal geyser]

Its fine to be wrong

[dense cedar]

they probably just shouldn't exist at that point

[vestal geyser]

But no seriously I'm just sick of deathstalker