assassination

[marsh fjord]

😄

[haughty flicker]

We are not good with xalatath, we team up with her because we (supposedly) have no other choice

[marsh fjord]

Yeah well you know what i mean 😄

[haughty flicker]

Once dimensius is dead we go back to fighting/gooning to her feet

[royal lantern]

no we are not unless you cant understand the most simple "allright, we work with you for this short time because otherwhise we all die" concept

where literally everyone says 24/7 "yeha, she will stab us the second he is dead" lol

[pliant remnant]

How are we with Xal'Xatah though

[marsh fjord]

I mean we work with her right now and then she betrays us again

[thorn thorn]

The story train for wow was derailed in SL and now its just taking forever to crash

[haughty flicker]

Depends on what those feet look like

[pliant remnant]

[marsh fjord]

sounds something a fotm reroller does

[hallow glade]

You’re telling me the crazy undead blue woman who is being pursued by a crazy elf hunter woman will turn out to be the good guy? They’ve never done this story before

[marsh fjord]

its gonna crash in midnight

i hope

[royal lantern]

oh shut up and circlejerk in nreddit with that

[red schooner]

Who's the nathanos in this situation though?

[marsh fjord]

if we get other cinematic without fighting im gonna riot

[hallow glade]

Me

[red schooner]

[hallow glade]

Xalatath 🥰

[pliant remnant]

Me too

Me me me

Step on meeeee, Xalatath

[haughty flicker]

[royal lantern]

they dont do that but ok

i swear

wow players

[pliant remnant]

[royal lantern]

are dumb af

complain about a story by making stuff up and then say its stupid

[hallow glade]

Hey watch it that’s my wife you’re talking about

[royal lantern]

its actually mindblowing how dumb they are

[proven willow]

its called midnight because we (story character) are going to wake up to realize everything after legion was a dream and it will pick up the lore from there starting a new timeline

[royal lantern]

[hallow glade]

Ok sorry it’s a totally original story they’re breaking new ground

[royal lantern]

srsly

if you dont care

skip everything

then just dont complain

cus you dont care

what so hard about that lol

[thorn thorn]

I skip everything since SL

[proven willow]

most people skip everything

[hallow glade]

I can complain if the story is bad wym

[royal lantern]

you literally made shit up and meme about it

like jfc

mental behaivor

not saying its good, cus its not

but wow players complaing about the story is so pathetic, its hurts

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-hide-in-shrubs-hiding-in-bushes-disappear-into-hedges-embarrassed-gif-24183287

[proven willow]

why are you so bothered by other peoples opinion

be alpha

[thorn thorn]

If I had a nickel for everytime a major villain of an xpac was hot, I would have 2

For now

[proven willow]

care about only yourself

[hallow glade]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-unimpressed-mrevnas-look-away-gif-13138892535409131752

[marsh fjord]

who's the second

[royal lantern]

cus its ALWAYS them skipping everything, making stuff up/repeating something they saw a random yt video say, and then say its bad

which is literally just dumb as hell lol

[gritty laurel]

princess theradras

[marsh fjord]

i want her to by my wife

[pliant remnant]

N'Zoth

[proven willow]

sylvanus obv

[thorn thorn]

N'zoth

[hallow glade]

Is xalatath not a crazy undead blue woman being pursued by a crazy elf hunter woman

[red schooner]

Ragnaros

[gritty laurel]

bro loves him some corpses, apparently

[hallow glade]

I didn’t really say a lot lmao

[thorn thorn]

It was actually a contest between Sylvanas and N'zoth but we know who wins out

[marsh fjord]

Nobody sayin valeera you fucking fake rogues

go to a other class

[thorn thorn]

N'zoth is our lord and savior

[royal lantern]

fyrakk was a fire dragon, thats by definition hot

[thorn thorn]

Real

[royal lantern]

literally a burn dmg aura during the fight

[red schooner]

why are you booing me i was right

[marsh fjord]

😄

[proven willow]

wait who is the first if sylvanas is second

[marsh fjord]

xal

[thorn thorn]

Khadgar Wheelchair do be pretty dumb in all fairness

[proven willow]

xal is gross

her and her feet

[thorn thorn]

I never understood why he doesnt just lay in a bed and use the crystal ball he used in legion

[pliant remnant]

A take for sure

[gritty laurel]

no, the wheelchair is the ultimate mount and blizzard are cowards for hiding it

[marsh fjord]

my friend who also doesq the bingo card thinks we see kadgar without a wheelchair on his bingo card

[hallow glade]

Don’t talk about her like that 💢

[marsh fjord]

that would be a instant mount buy for me

[proven willow]

if she put some shoes on maybe

[marsh fjord]

You're reflecting

[haughty flicker]

When do I get a glyph to make my paladin charger into a wheelchair

[royal lantern]

he was dead and brought back by a miracle and could not really walk for some time and was inside a wheelchair, so idk why thats dumb really?

[thorn thorn]

Bro is reflecting so hard

[proven willow]

are you calling me a mirror

[small garnet]

can rogue actually jsut get liek 3 charges ofsprint

[marsh fjord]

!fotm

[prisma monolith]

FOTM Info

• Fatebound is not playable in any AoE situation, and ESPECIALLY not in Mythic+. Don't bother.

• Tuning is nowhere near done and realistically won't be until mid-September; unless you enjoy playing rogue there is no point in you rerolling at this time, we don't bring anything impactful (e.g big aoe stops/party buff) to the group

• PTR sheets and PTR sims are borderline misinformation with how rapidly things are changing and most sims are not currently updated at this time. Again, this will fix itself as we get deeper into the patch and things solidify, but judging a reroll off of PTR tier lists and random sims or seeing one guy pump super hard on a stream is not indicative of anything.

[thorn thorn]

Ya but why travel in a wheel chair that would probably be uncomfortable when he could just lay in bed and use the crystal ball he used previously is my point

[proven willow]

i will never understand feet stuff, periot

[royal lantern]

oh god, ret players still doing the wheelchair memes when ret us not even low mobility anymore is so weird man

[haughty flicker]

Burst of speed my beloved

[small garnet]

playing my rogue after dh is so

slow

[red schooner]

Bel, he called you a ret player, are you gonna take that insult lying down?

[hallow glade]

If I were khagdar id be pretty fucking pissed at my lazy healer

[haughty flicker]

No but I might take it in a wheelchair

[thorn thorn]

Real

[hallow glade]

What he gets for not pressing ginvis

Ig

[red schooner]

You know what, I set myself up for that one.

[thorn thorn]

He should have simply used iceblock

[red schooner]

I can't even be mad.

[haughty flicker]

Khadgar didn't use defensives then started talking shit

[thorn thorn]

Or alter time

Unlucky

[haughty flicker]

Classic mage

[thorn thorn]

True

Bro had ginvis, alter time, mass barrier, and iceblock/ice cold available

[royal lantern]

imagine using iceblock in 2025 when ice cold exists lmao

[thorn thorn]

He is a griefer

[red schooner]

Standard mage behaviour

[thorn thorn]

Hey Iceblock would have prevented him getting oneshot bro

[royal lantern]

alter time minmax fail

[hallow glade]

Mage otps I swear to god

[proven willow]

mage dying with iceblock up is a tale as old as time

[thorn thorn]

Honestly kind on khadgar tho ngl

He made the choice to talk shit and not have a pocket oracle disc priest

Unlucky

[haughty flicker]

Me when the magical floating city dedicated to my hubris blows up again

[hallow glade]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-orange-cat-funny-cat-meme-explodes-gif-10706110874965244466

[thorn thorn]

Me when I die

[main bridge]

Dalaran was sick i can't believe they blew it up

[hallow glade]

I hope that fucker Griftah was in the explosion in the sewer

[haughty flicker]

I can't believe they blew up our class hall

[balmy condor]

he's in dorn

[hallow glade]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

[royal lantern]

you buy embelishment removal from him mate lol

[marsh fjord]

I love how whispyr is always the bearer of bad news

[balmy condor]

truth is bad news

[marsh fjord]

Whispyr when we get nerfed can you please give it to us softly

so i dont cry that much

[royal lantern]

but hey, you can find some of the NPCs in dornagal and even get a special interaction with them

as Mage

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr doesnt give anything soft

[proven willow]

is there a downside to having rupture and garrote on mouseover

[thorn thorn]

What is the downside to having them not on mouseover

[hallow glade]

Less caustic damage

From hunt them down and deadly poison

Less amp poison stacks

[marsh fjord]

Why would you have less caustic damage? with mouseovers?

[balmy condor]

GASP

[hallow glade]

No without mouse overs if you are tab targeting

[balmy condor]

NOT THE THREE AUTO ATTACKS!!!!!!!!!

[thorn thorn]

Yea im trying to figure out all of that

And exactly how insignificant it actually is

[balmy condor]

insanely

[thorn thorn]

Well yes

But I was trying to verbalize just how insanely insignificant it was

But I cant

[marsh fjord]

ngl im super confused lmao

[royal lantern]

hi super confused lmao

[haughty flicker]

I bet your parents can

[proven willow]

maybe i asked the question wrong

[marsh fjord]

Hi story teller

[haughty flicker]

Sorry that was uncalled for

[thorn thorn]

[hallow glade]

If you mouse over macro the worst that could happen is you accidentally hitting the wrong mob with the bleed

[balmy condor]

damn

[cursive root]

hey im new rogue here is assa good? i heard it's super fotm

[hallow glade]

But generally it’s good

[thorn thorn]

!fotm

[prisma monolith]

FOTM Info

• Fatebound is not playable in any AoE situation, and ESPECIALLY not in Mythic+. Don't bother.

• Tuning is nowhere near done and realistically won't be until mid-September; unless you enjoy playing rogue there is no point in you rerolling at this time, we don't bring anything impactful (e.g big aoe stops/party buff) to the group

• PTR sheets and PTR sims are borderline misinformation with how rapidly things are changing and most sims are not currently updated at this time. Again, this will fix itself as we get deeper into the patch and things solidify, but judging a reroll off of PTR tier lists and random sims or seeing one guy pump super hard on a stream is not indicative of anything.

[marsh fjord]

!fotm

[prisma monolith]

FOTM Info

• Fatebound is not playable in any AoE situation, and ESPECIALLY not in Mythic+. Don't bother.

• Tuning is nowhere near done and realistically won't be until mid-September; unless you enjoy playing rogue there is no point in you rerolling at this time, we don't bring anything impactful (e.g big aoe stops/party buff) to the group

• PTR sheets and PTR sims are borderline misinformation with how rapidly things are changing and most sims are not currently updated at this time. Again, this will fix itself as we get deeper into the patch and things solidify, but judging a reroll off of PTR tier lists and random sims or seeing one guy pump super hard on a stream is not indicative of anything.

[balmy condor]

this is BY FAR worse btw

[hallow glade]

At least for rupture and garrote specifically

Just have good aim gg

I also don’t like having to retab to the marked target personally

[balmy condor]

like missing one rupture accidentally accounts for all the gain you got from mouseovers for the entire rest of the dungeon

so

[proven willow]

mouseover to me is QOL rupture/emp garrote spread on big aoe i was wondering if there is a downside if you nevermisclick

[balmy condor]

get back to aimlabs soldier

no there's no downside

if you misclick there's a very apparent downside but in theory as long as you don't miss, it's good

[proven willow]

ok i only ask because i saw someone type they send rup on same target and let it auto spread which confused me

[balmy condor]

yeah that's the "lazy" way

[winged quail]

if you're not minmaxing OSU between keys you're not a real Assa player

[balmy condor]

carnage smart targets

[haughty flicker]

during keys you mean

[balmy condor]

so you just keep pounding the target you already have

and just eat the loss

[proven willow]

that way waste 1 application tho correct?

[hallow glade]

That is basically 4-5 tar

[balmy condor]

which on most target counts isn't a loss

[winged quail]

bosses are the perfect time to practice actually with the 3 apm

[balmy condor]

I mean you don't waste anything until big aoe

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[spice surge]

Youre atleast proccing your mark down

[marsh fjord]

We really are a goated discord

we have commands for everything

[cursive root]

!numbers

[hallow glade]

Primary rupture for priority dam

[cursive root]

???

[proven willow]

oh true that does proc the mark if you spam rupture on same target

[royal lantern]

!cat

[balmy condor]

ye

[royal lantern]

holy shit youbare right

[marsh fjord]

Im not significant enough bro

[cursive root]

bc you dont play fotm man

[marsh fjord]

true

rogue sucks

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tongue-tongue-out-wiggle-tongue-kitty-gif-17267236

[winged quail]

!fotm

[prisma monolith]

FOTM Info

• Fatebound is not playable in any AoE situation, and ESPECIALLY not in Mythic+. Don't bother.

• Tuning is nowhere near done and realistically won't be until mid-September; unless you enjoy playing rogue there is no point in you rerolling at this time, we don't bring anything impactful (e.g big aoe stops/party buff) to the group

• PTR sheets and PTR sims are borderline misinformation with how rapidly things are changing and most sims are not currently updated at this time. Again, this will fix itself as we get deeper into the patch and things solidify, but judging a reroll off of PTR tier lists and random sims or seeing one guy pump super hard on a stream is not indicative of anything.

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/despite-all-my-rage-gif-22554865

[cursive root]

what did shindig say about us in max review

fotm???

[thorn thorn]

Restealth

[hallow glade]

He said assa has a great damage profile in keys

But suffers from mark being somewhat annoying

[marsh fjord]

and put us in s+

[proven willow]

he put it in a tier with only 1 other dps at the top iirc

[cursive root]

only s+??? wtf im rerolling

[winged quail]

he was an honest chad not a dirty sandbagger

[hallow glade]

Because every other person that got on there was lying out of their ass lmao

[marsh fjord]

i laughed so hard

[cursive root]

we should do a rogue discrod tier list

[marsh fjord]

when kalemazi came on

[proven willow]

critcake was honest dont slander the warriormans

[hallow glade]

Bro had leaked dms of him sandbagging

[winged quail]

MM dobby af plz buff riot

[marsh fjord]

and put everything in A tier LOL

[marsh fjord]

im number 1 right

[royal lantern]

quake is SS tier

[cursive root]

no we rank the classes silly no users in the rogue discord

[royal lantern]

Stuart is SS+

[hallow glade]

Rogue going in yellow tier

[marsh fjord]

oh lol

Elusivness or however you spell it doesnt stack does it?

if you feint two times

[winged quail]

nah

[marsh fjord]

thats what i thought

[hallow glade]

It stack if you mean feint and evasions benefit from elusiveness

[marsh fjord]

No i mean the feint DR 20%

if that would stack twice

[hallow glade]

That would be pog

Ironfur for rogues

[winged quail]

it dosen't even stack with the AoE damage reduction on base feint vs AoE spells

[haughty flicker]

rogue tank spec confirmed

[marsh fjord]

every liquid raider can not talk about there class anymore. someone asked in hopefull chat how is mage and he said: i can't talk about it, only after the race

has this been a thing before?

[balmy condor]

yeah they've done that for a while

[marsh fjord]

interesting

[proven willow]

thats why they try not to use their raiders for the tierlist

[buoyant herald]

Comp probably plays a big part in strats so I’m not surprised

[marsh fjord]

yeah thats true actually

[balmy condor]

there's a lot of cringe gatekeeping from the teams

it is what it is

[proven willow]

someone said malarkass came into the discord and max got hyper for 5 seconds on stream

[balmy condor]

anything for competitive edge

[marsh fjord]

I forgot what boss it was but they are for sure bringing double sub rogue to the amp boss

[buoyant herald]

There’s $$$ involved so 🤷‍♂️

[marsh fjord]

or even 3

[winged quail]

considering the money involved now it makes sense for them to do it

[proven willow]

the rumor is winning vs losing is an extra months salary as a bonus

[marsh fjord]

They dont get more money of winning. it's just sponsers

or do they?

[winged quail]

yeah but the winning team gets more viewership which they turn in to more sponsor money

[marsh fjord]

yeah thats true

[royal lantern]

3 money?

[proven willow]

the org gets money and pay their employees its not an individual thing

[buoyant herald]

Yeah bro 3 monies

[cloud basin]

Couldn't pay me enough to "race" in WoW lol

[winged quail]

I'd love it if not for the 50 alts

[proven willow]

not everyone is a gamer

[marsh fjord]

Make a lockout for your entire account instead of character bound and splits are gone

easy easy

[winged quail]

yeah but that cucks normal people that play more than one character

[proven willow]

yeah splits suck ive beenin a guild where i had to play 3 meta classes that ive never played before in splits

[marsh fjord]

yeah but who cares about normal people

[winged quail]

make it class restricted tho?

[proven willow]

multiclass splits are a thing

[marsh fjord]

Hopefull is now gearing a 'warlock' to summon people

very

[winged quail]

ye there's basically no solution to splits that dosen't fuck with regular players

[proven willow]

you could kill splits with a tournament realm for RWF people only

but blizz wont spend the money to make that

[buoyant herald]

I think there’s a natural point of diminishing returns here where the alt requirement gets so high that the good players you lose isn’t made up for by the 20th alt

[winged quail]

also having the race be decided by who rng'd better loot in a single run would be giga cringe

[proven willow]

it should be like the mdi and great push tbh

[haughty flicker]

yeah they've definitely been toeing the line with that one

eventually they'll have to start self regulating it just so they dont all burn out lmao

[winged quail]

I think Blizzard like that it's a live realm thing, also means they don't have to spend any money for the free advertising

[marsh fjord]

i do enjoy liquids vibe alot

[hallow glade]

Just make a new account

[frank trench]

Season 1 there was like 3 Aug comp vs 3 devistation comp wasn’t there?

[marsh fjord]

yeah that will happen true

[proven willow]

same liquid comms are pretty peak

[hallow glade]

Any time they do something to fuck with splits it ruins the game for everyone else

[haughty flicker]

this was unironically max's response about that idea yeah

[hallow glade]

You can even transfer characters right?

[marsh fjord]

Make it so you can have only 1 account on the same IP Adress

so they have to buy multiple houses

[frank trench]

I just hope there is a Chinese team who figures out a bug to one shot bosses again.

[proven willow]

splits has become a skillful part of the race which is the problem. fast efficient splits can give you hours of a headstart

they should just do heroic week again

[winged quail]

heroic week is much better imo

but the m+ers don't like it

[marsh fjord]

Heroic week at the same time the patch comes out would be peak

[proven willow]

why dont m+ers like it?

[marsh fjord]

i genuinely dislike this week coming up

you do campaign

some m0

and thats it

[winged quail]

usually heroic week comes with no m+ or low capped m+

so it delays pushing by a week

[onyx gyro]

Delves too…for a week

[marsh fjord]

remove delves

i hate them

give me torghast

[onyx gyro]

I know but heroic gear

[proven willow]

that doesnt make sense tho because m+ gear is only hero track

youd get a mythic piece on mythic release only therefore 0 advantage

[winged quail]

they usually cap it to what would be champ track drops for heroic week tiers, it's weird

[proven willow]

yeah that makes no sense then

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/call-from-based-department-gif-25645857

[balmy condor]

hero track m+ during heroic week would remove heroic raid as a whole

[winged quail]

yep

[balmy condor]

cause it's just heroic raid but infinite gear

[royal lantern]

OH WAIT

[proven willow]

yeah but they added special raid gear

like the ring cantrip trinkets etc

i thought that was the purpose of that

[balmy condor]

they designed that to be a chase item for the duration of the season

not a week 1

[royal lantern]

m+ players love to forget that m+ often has those aswell

"cantrip item" is no raid exclusive thing

or good trinkets lol

[balmy condor]

I mean it kinda is

[proven willow]

the point is its not exclusive

both have something worthwhile

if it was a big deal then heroic raiders wouldnt exist theywould just do the nerfed mythic 7s and call it a season

[balmy condor]

the issue is that you can't make hero gear infinite from m+ and not from raid, so you have to put the lock on m+

raid is already loot limited for the week

[royal lantern]

m+ gives way too much shit, so they try to give raid some special things sometimes

[proven willow]

what about current m+ is loot limited when it comes to hero track tho

or am i not understanding

[gritty laurel]

that's his point

[proven willow]

people heroic raid tho

[balmy condor]

yes, there is no limit to hero track gear from m+

that's the entire issue

[proven willow]

in masses

[balmy condor]

we're talking about heroic week, yes?

[proven willow]

yeah

[balmy condor]

yeah, and why m+ is limited during heroic week

[proven willow]

and we are talking about player who play for 2-4 hours a day

not people who play for 8-10 hours a day

[balmy condor]

correct

okay

you realize the issue is the same, yes?

[proven willow]

so lets say you do 1.5 m+ in an hour

compare that to a heroic raiding guild

who also do m+

or are you comaring ONLY raid vs ONLY m+

[gritty laurel]

but blizzard isn't deciding how weeks 1&2 go based on heroic raiding guilds, they're balancing it to make RWF a tighter race rather than being overgeared

[proven willow]

that i would agree with but isnt realistic

[balmy condor]

I mean it doesn't particularly matter

the issue is that m+ is infinite gear, and they're curbing that

by limiting it

this was legit the issue with m+ during legion when it first released

it was designed to be a way to gear alongside raid

but people spammed the shit out of it, overgeared the entire raid

and thus emerald nightmare got cleared in a day

[proven willow]

kj was hard af tho

and the best mythic end boss imo

loved that guy

380 pulls i think

[balmy condor]

yeah that also is not the fucking patch I just mentioned

but go off

[proven willow]

i was just sidebarring

not making a point

youre a grouchy lad arent u

[normal mist]

hes alergic to stupid stuff

[proven willow]

i cant increase my eyes or queues

[balmy condor]

I mean I'm trying to explain my viewpoint and you're making some random side note that doesn't have any connection to what I just said

[royal lantern]

m+ has this funny overlap where its kinda supposed to be a serious mode that rewards you gear

but at the same time endless rewards cus you can grind it with no end

and also has MANY people getting angry if they make the basic +10 vault filling even slighlty harder as we saw in TWW S1

so like

idk what they can do there really

[proven willow]

you brought up a memory and my tism popped off

sorry

[normal mist]

i hated s1

[royal lantern]

m+ gear always makes a good bunch of people angry

[spice lagoon]

dont stress your self brotha

[royal lantern]

idk, it was not different then any other season after 2-3 weeks

[fallow canopy]

M+

[normal mist]

pugs said otherwise

[proven willow]

i just dont see the prob with m+ unless youre someone with a ton of exta time

which is the minority

[normal mist]

those are the more vocal

[royal lantern]

but the fact that people unironicaly said "needing to do +9 keys for MYTHIC CRESTS means they balance the game around the top 0,1% and they hate m+" was mindblowing

[normal mist]

they yap a lot

[royal lantern]

its fucming pugs

why do you bring up pugs

[normal mist]

because i dont have a team

[royal lantern]

everything is dogsshit in pugs

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean it's just people want gear, and blizzard wants players to play for more than a week, they have the same problem in every diablo game ever, ARPGs as a whole have the issue where unlimited progression in a seasonal game = people stop playing very quickly.

So the only thing you can do as blizzard is put roadblocks into place, be it valorstones, crest caps, drop rate of gear, limiting what gear is available at what time, adding random borrowed power helm enchants and rings and belts every 8 weeks

like it makes sense why it is the way it is

but it's also just never going to work

[fallow canopy]

Everything that can be abused by degens will be abused by degens, its why the crests are capped

[balmy condor]

people always want to just have all their things

[royal lantern]

yep

there is a reason why the "best m+ seasons" where also the seasons where getting gear was trivial and very fast lol

[normal mist]

S2 was amazing

[proven willow]

s2 was project retention

[normal mist]

they did a good job

[proven willow]

i stopped before masks came out and missed it unlucky

[gritty laurel]

yeah i actually got within 10ilvl of max in season 2, usually i bounce after AOTC and occasionally log in

[royal lantern]

DF S2 is a good example there tbh

a good chunk of people where saying how it was such a awesome season, and the main reason was simply that crafted gear was busted and everyone had full mythic gear in 4 weeks

but then the entire game kinda died down lol

[proven willow]

full mythic gear in 4 weeks is certainly a statement

you must be in a top 100 world guild

[balmy condor]

no, mid range CE guilds were actually just geared that fast

[royal lantern]

did you see DF S2 gearing

[balmy condor]

df s2 was insanely fast

[royal lantern]

crafted gear was literally the same ilvl as item drops

[proven willow]

or im dumb i didnt see DF

[royal lantern]

ofc all the gear addicts loved it

[proven willow]

i thought u meant this season

[royal lantern]

but it also caused such a noticable player drop lol

[proven willow]

which raid was s2 df

[royal lantern]

aberrus

[proven willow]

is abberrus the one with terros boss

[runic hinge]

[fallow canopy]

No

[balmy condor]

terros was season 1

[fallow canopy]

That was vault of the incarnates

[proven willow]

oh i took a break after that one

so s2 was popular and really good?

[balmy condor]

s2 was popular for a month

and then fell off a cliff

cause people ran out of gear

[proven willow]

so seasonal gamers were winning s2

[royal lantern]

turns out, if there is really no gear chase, people actually Stop playing

[proven willow]

what did they mess up to make it so easy

[marsh fjord]

i can't wait to raid for 10 weeks and still dont have my raid trinkets

love it

[gritty laurel]

just keep repeating "i'll get it when they add dinars this season" and you'll be golden

trust

[proven willow]

become the best dps in your guild

profit

all the gear

[royal lantern]

crafted gear same ilvl as mythic drops

[marsh fjord]

thats not how it works in our guild brudda

[royal lantern]

first 4 mythic raidbosses easy doable in pugs in week2 onward

[proven willow]

be a trendsetter make it that way by being SO much better than everyone else

[proven willow]

did you get if faster?

isnt it the same ilvl -3 now

[marsh fjord]

our guild use wow audit and look at increases and who ever has the most increase is getting it.

and yes it fucking sucks

[proven willow]

yeah i used that too xd

[buoyant herald]

Ewww

[royal lantern]

so you did the first 4 raidbosses, got 1-2 drops, crafted a item + vault

and suddenly you had 4-5 slots filled with mythic stuff in 1 week

[proven willow]

im old and dont raid hardcore anymore tho

i join blue parse guilds, parse orange and get free loot before i stop playing

[royal lantern]

didnt need to be hardcore for the first 4 abberus

[proven willow]

toxic behavior

[proven willow]

yeah thats a big diff

[royal lantern]

only 1 boss there had actually something going on

[proven willow]

i cant remember the last raid that had 4 puggable mythic bosses in the first weeks

[royal lantern]

the other 3 where borderline tank&spank lol

[marsh fjord]

our guild also has rules like. do 8 10's in the first week or you benched for mythic

[proven willow]

yeah mine from undermine had that too

[royal lantern]

whats your wr again

[proven willow]

and ilvl requirements

[marsh fjord]

700-900 ish

[fallow canopy]

jesus

[proven willow]

im retired so its smooth sailing

[royal lantern]

give me your RL discord tag so i can fold him togheter like the ape he is

actual idiot behaivor

[marsh fjord]

hahahahaha i wish

[royal lantern]

thats how you kill a guild in 3 raidtiers

trying to do pseudo hardcore shit

[marsh fjord]

well he has been doing this since bfa ish

[royal lantern]

while not being at a level where thats a real thing

[royal lantern]

AND ITS 700-900????

[marsh fjord]

yup

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-out-loud-laugh-ridiculous-hilarious-lolz-gif-17376550074772904877

[proven willow]

tbh that isnt a ridiculous ask

"fill your mythic plus vault"

seems normal mythic raider homework

[royal lantern]

saying "do a full mythic m+ vault week1" kinda is

[proven willow]

if you mythic raid why wouldnt you tho

[buoyant herald]

I think ours is still only 2/3 slot requirement

[proven willow]

unless you hate m+

[royal lantern]

cus like, 10keys week1 are hard lol

[fallow canopy]

time mostly

[marsh fjord]

We do have 30 raiders. and some people will just fail and get benched

it is what it is

[royal lantern]

whatthefuck 30?????

[proven willow]

10 keys is less than 10 hours

[royal lantern]

jfc

[marsh fjord]

he wants a competive environment

[royal lantern]

thats a cesspool

[royal lantern]

its fucking wr900 range

what the hell is competitive

[proven willow]

wait is he a gigachad that does COMPS in mythic?

[royal lantern]

30raiders? competitive with 30???

[marsh fjord]

yeah where everyone is afraid for there spot ish

[royal lantern]

leave

[marsh fjord]

😄

[royal lantern]

seriously

thats a cesspool

[proven willow]

i said that like 2 days ago xd

[royal lantern]

not a guild

[marsh fjord]

think of your heart bro

[proven willow]

pre knowledge

[marsh fjord]

i dont care i do 10's straight away with my group of friends anyway

[proven willow]

W

numbers has the friends buff

[royal lantern]

like, you cant build a good core group if you pull shit like that in lower ranks lol

[marsh fjord]

but

[royal lantern]

and if you dont have a good core, wtf are you even doing

[marsh fjord]

there are some people that did like 7 instead of 8 and didnt fill the requirement and genuinely got benched because of that

[proven willow]

if theyve been a guild since bfa he knows what hes doing

[marsh fjord]

it is what it is

[proven willow]

hard to flame that consistency

[royal lantern]

no it isnt

[marsh fjord]

in bfa this guild was world rank 2000

[royal lantern]

thats a shit guild

its not "it is what it is"

[marsh fjord]

so its kinda improved 😄

[royal lantern]

its genuinely a dogshit guild lol

[proven willow]

see they are even scaling

tyran is being a bully

[marsh fjord]

i can't really voice my opinion because if he sees this chat logs for whatever reason im like kicked

[proven willow]

blink if youre in danger

[royal lantern]

how tf do you build a raidteam if you bench people week1 for not fullfilling a goal that can be kinda hard with no bigger time investment

at fucking wr900

jesus christ

[marsh fjord]

Well. the bench happens in week 3 of the patch and they have more time to show they really want the spot.

[royal lantern]

get a decent 10-15 player core running first

[marsh fjord]

for some reason its working

because nobody is leaving

[royal lantern]

its not working

cus then it would not be wr900

after 4 expansions of a raidteam existing lol

[proven willow]

i think you are overvalueing world ranks

if they like the environment its fine

[royal lantern]

if you call yourself a "competitive team" and cant even get past the 600 after 4 expansions

and instead burn trought a 30man roster

[marsh fjord]

Tryan my intention was not getting you worked up bro 😄

its fine dw about it

Think of your heart my man ❤️

[proven willow]

some ppl just want t get CE and not fail the roster boss

while being competitive

[royal lantern]

like, genuinely, look for another guild

[proven willow]

if thats their goal they are killin it

[marsh fjord]

We take around 8/9 weeks for CE ish

depends on the tier really

[thorn thorn]

Im with tyran on this but only because of personal belief

[marsh fjord]

oh im also with tyran with this

but i just can't voice it 😄

[balmy condor]

gang do we like PTR sims with no context

I got a DOOZY

[marsh fjord]

yes

no

[proven willow]

yes

[thorn thorn]

yes

share the sauce whispyr

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

[thorn thorn]

That is some sauce alright

[proven willow]

i have no reference

is that good

[marsh fjord]

bad

demo is 6 mill

[balmy condor]

I mean it's bad

[thorn thorn]

Its only 1m behind destro in ST

[balmy condor]

but it's also nearly 500k higher than any other assa ST sim currently

so

[proven willow]

destro has to move tho so W sin?

[royal lantern]

bro, we are sitting at like 700 with 2 day raiding and the most scuffed raidteam in existence, reading stuff like that makes me question reality

[marsh fjord]

Hahahha sorry bro

[thorn thorn]

I just hate mythic raid teams tbh

Bad experiences and heard horror stories

[marsh fjord]

@proven willow

[haughty flicker]

[thorn thorn]

Most of them have head inconceivably high up their asses

[haughty flicker]

i love numbers

[marsh fjord]

i love you to

[proven willow]

fake news down with the purple class

[thorn thorn]

A tier btw

[marsh fjord]

but this is so wrong man

this sims are so inherently wrong

[proven willow]

peak experience 2 day raiding is the best

occasional excellence memories

[grand trail]

Assa simming more than sub, so strong and powerful

[balmy condor]

yeah balance still sucks

[royal lantern]

the trick is finding a raidteam that doesnt want to push endlessly higher anymore and has a good core team

cus then you avoid all the guild hoppers and the RL going full "you all must do X thing so we can climb ranks and then disband the guild in 7months" stuff

[balmy condor]

[haughty flicker]

good, fuck druids

[balmy condor]

also that sim has the KB bug still

[royal lantern]

always did

fuck boomkins

[balmy condor]

so when that gets fixed fb goes way up

the kb bug is legit like 200-250k or some shit

[haughty flicker]

i love flipping coins

[balmy condor]

just in time to make fatebound vibeo

(they're going to balance another 3 times and make the video outdated in 2 weeks time I love world of warcraft content creation its so fun and exciting)

[solar wyvern]

is the kb fixed on ptr or no?

[balmy condor]

no

[solar wyvern]

f in the chat

[royal lantern]

"yeha, macro CB to kingsbane and use vanish on the 2nd envenom during Deathmark"

[solar wyvern]

thought it was just sims

[haughty flicker]

surely they remember to fix it

[balmy condor]

no actually

[distant plinth]

Where can i find the whole chart

[marsh fjord]

one moment pls

[royal lantern]

is there an actual gameplay difference?

[balmy condor]

depends on the definition I guess but there's some sequencing differences

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

anyways

I am a pig

and I must dig for truffles

back to the mines

[thorn thorn]

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-cute-little-pig-gif-26189204

[summer trellis]

https://tenor.com/OY0yO5yjMT.gif

[haughty flicker]

inside you there are two pigs

[humble verge]

zzzzzzzzzzz

[hexed root]

any bis lists for manaforge yet?

[worn badger]

yeah, pork belly and carnitas

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/zoolander-zoolander-movie-movie-zoolander-derek-zoolander-derekzoolander-gif-16455225249682368207

[marsh fjord]

the chart is lost in the sauce sorry

[marsh fjord]

such a cutie

[marsh fjord]

Bro is it possible you could share the link?

or is it behind a paywall

[balmy condor]

for what reason do you need a link

[marsh fjord]

Want to investigate a bit

[balmy condor]

what's that mean

[dusky atlas]

misinformation spread

[marsh fjord]

no lol

[balmy condor]

I can't even trust some TCs with the link cause of misinformation spread

[marsh fjord]

Well if you don't want to share that's totally fine bro.

[brave comet]

half an hour later, still not invited D:

[balmy condor]

ya I mean unless you know how to write APL and have some idea or whatever I don't really want to

cause the moment I share a link it's in a spreadsheet

[marsh fjord]

Understandable!

[royal lantern]

oh common, thats not true

its also in a spreadsheet when you post a yt video and there is a blurred sim number on a random open tab

[balmy condor]

[thorn thorn]

Yum I sure do love useless as fuck information

My favorite

[marsh fjord]

i wont be suprised if they nerf CT again but does some more ST buffs to compensate

[balmy condor]

I would be

[marsh fjord]

Well if they do a aura nerf on us our ST is completely cooked 😄

[royal lantern]

C tier take

[buoyant herald]

is it hard being you?

[balmy condor]

I don't think so

but me is hard

[buoyant herald]

😒

what a good sim will do to a tc'er

[feral mason]

hi

man i really only ever type in this channel to reply to hornyposts i need to get a grip

[thorn thorn]

Dam vro what I gotta do to get S

[buoyant herald]

a grip you say

[balmy condor]

get a grip on what

[buoyant herald]

maybe need to relax that grip homie

[tender dagger]

life is short, be a gooner

[thorn thorn]

Yea need to get a deathgrip on more hornyposting

[pliant remnant]

Get a death grip on deez

[noble ridge]

I thought Titans Grip was a warrior ability ?

[marsh fjord]

wanna come over and find out?

[haughty flicker]

its a disease

[hexed root]

https://tenor.com/view/vorzek-vorzneck-oglg-og-lol-gang-gif-24901093

[indigo mulch]

Is the apl a lot different from s2?

[balmy condor]

for fatebound it will have to be in order to make 90s a thing

deathstalker not so much

there's also a fair bit of m+ things

[astral chasm]

Can someone help me? I'm running the raid ST with cleave build on wowhead. From stealth in both AOe and ST, should i be opening with ambush?

[gritty laurel]

yes, otherwise you won't have mark up for your hero talents. i'd recommend reading the guide a bit closer and understanding what the talents actually do

[orchid cedar]

i can't belive we are going into S3 and DS core mechanic is still like it is

[haughty flicker]

i can

[thorn thorn]

I can too unfortunately

[orchid cedar]

seems like no one at Blizz plays rogue

[thorn thorn]

Rogue Hero talents are on the back burner currently

Im assuming they havent had time for it

They been running a pretty tight clock this xpac

[haughty flicker]

midnight is our time to shine

[orchid cedar]

is there any other class that provides 0 real party/raid utility?

[thorn thorn]

Try TLT

[normal mist]

DMG reduction is a raid utility

[thorn thorn]

Stealth skips are also a party utility

Could be worse

We could be hunters that only have mark and lust

With mark being easily the worst raid buff in the game

[orchid cedar]

i'd say lust is way more valuable tho

specially when trying to get into a M+

[thorn thorn]

You could just bring a shaman and get skyfury

Or a lizard and get evoker utility

[normal mist]

Or mage and get int

[thorn thorn]

Or mage and get mage utility

And arcane int

[coral ibex]

i'd rather have a lust button than shroud

people dont give a fuck about shroud

[normal mist]

You know why

[orchid cedar]

at least the Hunter could get in

[haughty flicker]

every tank should have lust and tanks should be the only specs with it

[normal mist]

Because every single monster and their grandmother has true sight

[haughty flicker]

[thorn thorn]

Its cuz shroud sucks ass

[orchid cedar]

why'd you pick the Rogue tho

[normal mist]

Because I know that if they play rogue they must be based

[thorn thorn]

Ever since the mind soothe nerf they also made it happen to shroud

[orchid cedar]

give us a combat ress with % of failing like the engi item

[thorn thorn]

You can just buy engi cables

And everyone can brez with those

[orchid cedar]

i tried MoP a bit and at least there Rogue gave a buff

[normal mist]

And we had smoke bomb

[thorn thorn]

Yup

Now we get atrophic

[orchid cedar]

if we did like the most dmg in the game at least...

[haughty flicker]

[thorn thorn]

Bro you gotta stop or you gonna have a copium overdose

[orchid cedar]

it's w/e, god bless i have friends to play with and don't have to worry about meta

[astral current]

i'd appreciate some explanation about why the fuck sin is B and sub is A in raid

[haughty flicker]

because thats where shindig felt like putting them

any other questions

[astral current]

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1401049263680655430/image.png?ex=688f850e&is=688e338e&hm=0066c57edf59b2f1672137325fc5e2339c36262e19236c1233b330a6024f854c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[hallow glade]

assa -> a tier
sin -> s tier

[balmy condor]

all 3 hunter specs being at the bottom of the list and warlocks in A tier are fine?

[astral current]

im just gearing new toons for raid and i dont want to gear 2 specs at once so im trying to figure out what's better to stick with, sin or sub

[harsh anchor]

max tier list is gospel amen

[hallow glade]

mm is doing 10m overall easily and its one of the worst m+ specs apparently

[harsh anchor]

[astral chasm]

I'm runnning into an issue where becasue i have to start with ambush from stealth, that means i need ambush and mutilate on differnt keybinds. But as im running Blindside talent, i'd ideally would love to not have them on two different buttons. Cuz I forget to start with ambush a lot

[balmy condor]

tuning isn't done, there's a bunch of bugs, and the patch isn't out

we don't know.

[haughty flicker]

idk my personal favorite was tettles saying boomkin was the worst spec in the game because it only sims 5.2m

[astral current]

gotcha mate

[balmy condor]

you don't actually need this

you just put ambush on your stealth bar

and mut on your main bar

[haughty flicker]

mut will turn into ambush when you get blindside

so no need for different keybinds

[balmy condor]

that as well, yes

[upper wraith]

just play rogue. no one plays it and raid leads always have a soft spot for rogues. ez money

[harsh anchor]

I lost my rogue spot

I'm forced to play dh now

[upper wraith]

well dont suck

[haughty flicker]

nerd

[marsh fjord]

also this might sound elitism but just play what you enjoy if you are not world 100 nobody cares about your DPS, only you

[haughty flicker]

we had a rogue trial for this tier but he pressed vanish and i havent seen him since

so my spot is either very safe or very in danger

[astral current]

im world 33 on heroic

[harsh anchor]

It was just a roster change and I'm the other player that can play dh

[marsh fjord]

Big!

[astral current]

could also dig my ass into mythic list however previous RL is simping cuck

so we werent doing any myth raids

[astral chasm]

Ah! I see. Geez. I have to change my whole keybind. On my MMO mouse, the keys are tied to the mouse and when i stealth the bars don't change. The only bar that changes with stealth is the main bar , which my mutiltate and ambush isn't on

thank u all

[little night]

Is the M+ tree the same for the PTR?

[orchid cedar]

being a Rogue in raid is nice, i collected like 10 daggers that no one wanted You also never have to worry about raid cds

[marsh fjord]

yeah you play the same bleed build

[little night]

ty

[marsh fjord]

yeah most guilds only run 1 rogue i feel like

[orchid cedar]

4% dr go brrrr

[onyx lava]

is hybrid completely terrible on ptr or just so much worse then bleed its not worth playing? i honestly hate doing single target with bleed build, and having to depend on tanks pulling trash onto boss or boss having adds is meh.

[orchid cedar]

even with the dr stacking having more than 1 Rogue is trolling imo

maybe even 1 is

[hallow glade]

honestly if you wanna do st just play cleave build with forced induction

[orchid cedar]

or play Sub

[astral chasm]

Between the m+ bleed vs ST/cleave build, which one is better if i just want to use one buiild for both m+ and raid going into s3?

[balmy condor]

neither

[hallow glade]

that is a really bad idea

cleave build plays very similar to raid build though

[balmy condor]

the raid build doesn't take required m+ talents, and the m+ builds take talents that are fully worthless in raid

you would be significantly weaker

[orchid cedar]

embrace the fact that this is not classic and you can change builds at will

[balmy condor]

to the point of where I would honestly recommend changing talents and using the one button rotation

instead of using one build

[astral chasm]

ah geez, ok

thanks

[orchid cedar]

is KB still bugged?

[thorn thorn]

How is it bugged

[nocturne quail]

only for FB right ?

[orchid cedar]

i think it was something with the 2P tier set for FB yes

reseting the ramp up

[gritty laurel]

in fairness, as recently as shadowlands you still had to use a consumable to swap talents outside of a rest area

[balmy condor]

yes

[balmy condor]

"as recently as shadowlands"

so you mean before an entire overhaul of the talent system and the addition of hot-swappable sub-specs for each spec in the game

[gritty laurel]

look i'm trying to give the guy some credit

[proven willow]

depends, do you think death grip is a buff/utility

[pliant remnant]

Why is Whispyr bullying Classic players

[orchid cedar]

AMZ definetly is

[pliant remnant]

[bronze pike]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/253446173774315520/1060610510803980288/skateboardge.gif

[astral chasm]

Does shiv amplify damage for abilities after i use shiv or before?

[bronze pike]

I personally think grip isn’t a raid buff

Because they don’t make important adds grippavle

[balmy condor]

it buffs everything applicable for the duration of shiv

snapshotting is very rarely a thing anymore and basically not important

[astral chasm]

ok so any active bleeds on the target will be amped when i click shiv

[balmy condor]

if you have arterial precision yes

[gaunt sigil]

Am I the only one disappointed by the lack of bleed damage done in raids

[marsh fjord]

Whispyr has many guides on youtube i would advice watching them.

[gaunt sigil]

The dots don’t really feel as satisfying as they did in DF

I feel like I’m just an envenom machine at this point

[astral chasm]

sorry last question, for the m+ bleed build, when im AOEing and STing, should i even use envenom or just use crimson temp as my finisher - saw some video on YT saying its better to use CT?

[balmy condor]

you maintain ct

it's a bleed

[haughty flicker]

crimson tempest is just a dot, it isnt something you spam for damage

[balmy condor]

spamming it would do absolutely nothing

[astral chasm]

Got it! keep CT up (along witht he two other bleeds) and then envenom

[balmy condor]

yep

[pure raptor]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[golden storm]

@balmy condor, I summon thee haha. I’m really torn between Sin and Sub, leaning Sin because I spend way more hours a week in M+ and only do Heroic Raid. With that being said, I keep hearing about this 90 second FB build but can’t find a guide for it. Also should I do bleed or Kingsbane for 10-15 range? Thanks in advance.

[main bridge]

!bleed

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[whole mason]

Whispyr is cooking FBsin, so please wait for it.

[waxen oyster]

recent=4 years

[whole mason]

must be an elf who said that. To someone taking 120 years to be an adult, 4 years is like a holiday.

[astral chasm]

so playing bleed in raid and m+, i will be doing a lot less ST and boss damage , is that the idea

[golden storm]

I wouldn’t play bleed in raid, hence why I was interested in the variety of deathstalker in M+ and FB for raid. Could add some nice variety.

[main bridge]

i think i'm going to play sub in raid. seems fun

especially because there are damage amps in the new raid

[golden storm]

I love sub… well, did? I mained it through DF, it’s still fun but I’m still a little hurt about losing Shadow Dust. It’s a great spec, just not my favorite version.

I’m an outlier though, I gave up on Havoc when they killed momentum.

[main bridge]

i thought it still existed and there were just other options now

[golden storm]

Inertia and “Exergy” exist now but it’s not the same.

[chilly nimbus]

someone know one macro to get stealth with meld in middle of pull in a m+?

I'm try without macro and just don't work

[golden storm]

You want stealth and shadow meld on the same bind?

[chilly nimbus]

yes, is for proc Indiscriminate Carnage again

[golden storm]

#showtooltip
/cast [combat] Shadowmeld; Stealth

[main bridge]

#outlaw message

need to hit it multiple times apparently

[chilly nimbus]

thx

[balmy condor]

there's no guide for it cause it isn't out, you actually pinged me mid recording of the video breakdown

but yes, fatebound good

and the APL is still a bit whack

[haughty flicker]

Pog hello youtube

[balmy condor]

PTR cycle has been atrocious

like straight up vile

and since blizzard is so far behind tuning and bug fixing

[keen spruce]

hi youtube

[balmy condor]

sims and TC are also behind

it is what it is

[keen spruce]

i'll get behind the TC's

[balmy condor]

but the youtube video should be good enough

[keen spruce]

😏

[balmy condor]

and the wowhead guide is uh.......

kinda updated I guess

I'm missing a few things of fatebound

[silent pond]

cant wait for video!

[balmy condor]

for the most part it's legit just "do rotation but 1:30"

and fatebound is looking like 2/2 vicious venoms

so no improved garrote/master assassin nonsense

you just vanish every 3 min for some flippage during deathmark

and call it a day

[golden storm]

Noted, thank you @balmy condor, sorry I interrupted your video.

[balmy condor]

nah you didn't interrupt

discord goes mute when I'm recording

[golden storm]

Wait are we still supercharge then or do thistle tea/double vanish become options?

[buoyant herald]

Hard to imagine vanish is good when you’re holding it that long

Maybe some value on double vanish on short fights later on

Like super short

Heroic parsing type shi

[golden storm]

I’m only AotC so I love heroic parse haha.

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

for fatebound you would play neither

cold blood is a required talent on fatebound for all content without question

[buoyant herald]

(You need it to proc the fatebound capstone)

For the questioners

[balmy condor]

I mean even without the capstone, the alternate talent is just horrid

you would play it regardless of the capstone, simply for the additional guaranteed flips

[golden storm]

I was thinking CB + double vanish over CB + supercharge.

For 90 second optimization

[balmy condor]

nah

giving up vigor and tea is suicide and giving up deeper strat is unthinkable

[golden storm]

I figured, I’m just a sucker for double vanish after Shadow Dust (RIP)

[marsh fjord]

with fatebound we would want 1:30 trinkets right

[golden storm]

That mastery trinket from eco dome looks sweet for sub.

As long as I don’t have to wear a spider web on my back for another season though I’ll be happy haha.

[snow hamlet]

Maybe I should go out and buy a lottery ticket?

[balmy condor]

AI is getting too good

[rugged tusk]

does someone have a ptr build i could try out?

[balmy condor]

the talents are the same

play whatever you would on live

[buoyant herald]

or try some new stuff out

call it a Test

[balmy condor]

Imagine if there was a realm for that

[buoyant herald]

that would only work if it was available to a large group of people

[haughty flicker]

there might be but it wouldnt be open to the public

[fallow canopy]

something like an open experimental server

[whole mason]

do it when you get 30. I bought one Saturday.

[buoyant herald]

or an indiscriminate trial zone

[rotund oak]

happy bday and thats cope

[whole mason]

i meant stacks

[rotund oak]

ik

[rotund oak]

whispyr progress streams aight?

(for new season ofc)

[opaque jungle]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[snow hamlet]

Has the current tails coin benefited from zoldyk? I seem to have read that it didn't

[balmy condor]

correct, it does not

[hallow glade]

Is zoldyck the one thing that says poison and doesn’t mean nature?

[balmy condor]

mastery

[hallow glade]

I thought mastery benefitted hero talents

[balmy condor]

yeah but not just generic nature

zold is a weird one

[hallow glade]

Does zoldyck cleave to >35% mobs?

[balmy condor]

what does that even mean

[snow hamlet]

wait, but all DS things benefit from zlodydk, don't they?

[balmy condor]

yes

[hallow glade]

I heard someone say the extra damage from zoldyck affects the amount that is spattered

Which seemed very odd

[snow hamlet]

🤷‍♂️

[balmy condor]

no, that is false

both targets would need to be under 35%

[hallow glade]

Ah ok so same as shiv thanks that makes sense

[topaz dragon]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[faint crescent]

Is there any hope for fatebound assa in m+ or is deathstalker just too good

In 11.2

[buoyant herald]

!fotm

[prisma monolith]

FOTM Info

• Fatebound is not playable in any AoE situation, and ESPECIALLY not in Mythic+. Don't bother.

• Tuning is nowhere near done and realistically won't be until mid-September; unless you enjoy playing rogue there is no point in you rerolling at this time, we don't bring anything impactful (e.g big aoe stops/party buff) to the group

• PTR sheets and PTR sims are borderline misinformation with how rapidly things are changing and most sims are not currently updated at this time. Again, this will fix itself as we get deeper into the patch and things solidify, but judging a reroll off of PTR tier lists and random sims or seeing one guy pump super hard on a stream is not indicative of anything.

[hallow glade]

Probably not, the options are currently:

1. 2nd best priority in the game, highest overall damage in several keys
2. Negative priority damage, mid overall at best

[faint crescent]

Meh

[hallow glade]

if youre doing weeklies it might be ok idk

[buoyant herald]

Anything is ok for weeklies

[low grove]

How are we simming sin in m+? Any special things or just mdt sim?

[umbral sierra]

what ilvl do we thijnk is gonna be decent to do +2s next season got a friend worried about needing to gear now so they arnt behind but they are sitting at 660 ilvl

[balmy condor]

dungeonslice

[balmy condor]

660 is probably fine but it depends plenty on how shit they are as a player

champ track starts at 681, with +2 being 684 from end of dungeon

so realisitically you really shouldn't need much

bountiful delves drop 684 at level 8

seems pretty easy

especially considering next week m+ isn't open and you can use weathered crests on random ass world drops up to 678

m0 opens and drops 681 as well

lots of options

[umbral sierra]

awesome thx whisper

[umbral sierra]

they are a 3k player the last 2 seasons XD its an alt

[balmy condor]

also yes, I will be streaming everything no worries pookiebear

[rotund oak]

🫶

buying pizzas for the freezer,old habbits never die

[river vapor]

Hi is APL being updated before Tuesday?

[balmy condor]

will be updated on monday night, yes

[royal lantern]

oh shit time to steal the strats

[dusty crag]

Are there any talent changes going into next week, guild is doing another raid of Undermine for a few trials. I wanna see if Fatebound is playable before the new tier set

[royal lantern]

OR the stream is using wrong talents as a distraction so whisp can sandbag more

[balmy condor]

No, there’s not even talent changes after the season really

[balmy condor]

Unironically I kinda did that in the Fatebound video cause I’m not 100% sure yet

I didn’t make too much of a note about it but I for sure need to make a season 3 guide for the spec overall and I’ll fix it then after the fucking mess got cleaned up or something idk

Blizzard and releasing stable patches

Can’t wait for 37 hour maint on Tuesday

[royal lantern]

you mean like

when playing FB and when DS

?

[balmy condor]

No I was playing FB with imp gar ma in video

Should probably be 2vv

But TCing isn’t fully finished and there’s still the fucking kb bug

So WHO KNOWS

Hate this patch

I’m like 90% sure fb plays 2x vv

I’m like speedrunning APL any% the last couple days it’s all a blur

[royal lantern]

be strong and get enough sleep king

[spice surge]

2x vv as fb

What has the world come to

[snow hamlet]

[hoary remnant]

what is vv?