#assassination
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does the dmg make a big difference? And does dark iron have a passive buff similar to the extra crit dmg of dwarf?
yeah but that's down to tuning, and voting for dungeons specifically because of their trinket drops is braindead as all get out
Except then you have to feel bad when every fucker in the guild gets a lucky vault while you're a hero level Andy for months
Yes and yes
aren't we gonna want the ritual forge or whatever from raid prolly?
depends on how they tune it
Yeappppp, or you still gotta kill the boss on myth and trinket have to drop as qell
It wouldn’t take to long to kill that mythic boss tho it’s the 4th boss
If they do this I hope they put the black mount and the 4 mop ones on the trader or some shit
5/6 weeks in the patch for decently guilds
That or I will HAVE to take mop classic seriously for a while. And I might just kms
i'd prefer a variety of new options rather than the same things from s1 and s2
first day 
I also have my racial in the macro with DM and HoC.
POGGERS
resetting us only to have to get the same things again seems kinda tragic
i guess that kinda defeats the purpose of the cleanse now that I thinka bout it
but might be nice in dungeons where you don't need it
ill carry u in mop fellow rogue main
we need to stick together

All my cooldowns line up at 90 sec, so the crit racial that lines up goes a long way if you plan your packs.
Won't matter as much in pugs that pull randomly with no plan.
it'll take longer to wait in like with 12 out of 14 other dps also wanting it
Haha yeah
rogue gets prio tho
like we got prio on HoC?
skill issue idk
i lack the negotiation skills to get my RL to prio to me 😢
just perform
no, i refuse
man i'd be in trouble if trinket prio was on a player skill basis in my guild 😂
We just do it by biggest gain
Skill goes into it a little though
Like if two or three people are close
And it’s not overwhelmingly better
Then like yeah the guy who’s fucking up mechanics constantly maybe doesn’t get it
Trinket doesn’t do as much as it sims for if they’re floor pov for half of prog
Offer him 5mill
I hate biggest gain because it generally rewards people who do less independent gearing.
Many may remember my complaining about being benched for last 3 because of a late joiner who was an officer
Guess who got our first (and only) mythic HoC?
Nah I was a trial so it’s a bit of a downer but whatever
Oh this dude is better than me for sure
ok at least good structure
But he didn’t prog the first few bosses because too many rogues
How do you dodge rik reverbs pillar? Just evasion and look at it?
who is the rogue thats going to maxs stream tomorrow
doesnt work anymore
Awh dang, good to know. I was losing my mind trying
Great question, the rogue creators are pretty low key funnily enough
My guess will probably be whispyr tbh
its shindig
I think he’s number 2 on the io ladder and max watches his vid on stream so wouldn’t surprise me
It’s all meme content anyway and bro can yap well enough, I wouldn’t have an issue
not guessing
Crazy he’s actually planned it out this time round haha
If its not whispyr what are we even doing. Its hiya for the pookies or bust
Idk hard to argue with that list
In general
Whispyr obviously knows more finer details but like. Is that what this list is about?
its for a tier list to bait echo into another loss
I think if you’re Max you want people the wider viewer base will recognise
i recognise whispyr as a rogue main
TRUE
Is he though. He's only been playing since wod...
im tbc wot
whyd u wait so long
Because I didn't want a taskbar that takes up half the screen? Idk
the bottom bar?
!sheet
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
Can confirm W11 sucks donkey boner
!log
Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage
Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/
Not sure that website is up to date if you just link the log someone can look at it for you
Maybe even me when I get home
I thought there was a command to start a thread for log review, was trying to find that
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JRkcdbG2gtvNn4PH?fight=31&type=damage-done
Char: Zeusuwu
If anyone could take a look
Not in this channel
Trinket Sims: Deathstalker
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xcBJMDuj5VMpDQh1ew683o
Fatebound: (only 2p)
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mxWD2MzDrPaigbY4eNbNgy
Astral Antenna 2nd Boss Mythic Dropps now our BiS Passive Trinket (Also BiS for Sub)
Hope that helps
i dont think the recent trinket tunings have made it to simc
hmm fatebound still might not be implemented properly this could be misleading
they did
otherwise pacemaker would be topping
yeah the number goes higher a bit more but the trinket are the same
i missed the commit
just curious, what makes you so certain the trinkets would be the same?
because how you play fatebound is entirely passive. Their is no gameplay imo just see a hero talent doing some % of your damage in pure st.
Hey if this is all wrong which I doubt feel free to correct just early sims
Do you think the changes/fixes to FB effect whether or not you want 4p?
Because that sim still has 2p
I just copied the profile from fuus sheet
so might change some things you right
that is a mistake on my behave
but their is no real good 90 sec trinket
the new hoc from the new dungeon eco dom is just trash

Just might be harmful rushing to answers til FB stuff is tested more since the changes. At least best I figure.
fatebound perse is in just I was to lazy to add the 4p
I can do that later
I bet nothing will change trinket wise
also fatebound again is a nothing burger
you dont change any playstyle bind CB to kingsbane and thats it
I'll wait to hear what whispyr and further testing leads to 
you will play fatebound after the fixes on pure st
Is there a reason, or am I misremembering, for Assassination consistently simming pretty low when the profiles are aggregated, even if it ends up performing toward the top in ST?
55,008 hours.
pretty standard assa behaviour tbh
but no "reason" as yet discovered
one of the tc'ers said the other day it makes them suspect they're missing something but
might just be an aggregate off assa having good cd timings, execute, and smaller effect from downtime as other specs
My raidlead wants me to play sub next season because of the huge amount of dmg amps next raid. We are a WR ~800 guild. Never played sub before and just can't get the hang of it, would love to play sin next season. How well is it performing as of now? i know, there will be some class tuning until patch but I am generally lost on what to play next season
That’s what I mean, I think it happens pretty often historically, but I don’t know enough to posit a reason
it is indeed very mysterious
i cant even get simc to use fb 4p , it seems to not care for it
something seems off
Couple of answers -
1 - at that level you can and should play what you want
2 - stats don’t matter and you can just play both depending on what seems better for you per fight
My general rule is I play whatever I like until there’s an encounter where I start doing more damage just by pressing n
ahhh i see youre an outlaw enjoyer
yeah. he is especially talking about potential dmg checks which i get, really but i mostly outperform every other specc when playing outlaw. he made me play assa on our mugzee reclears because we struggled to get through the 2nd phase with some trials every reclear but. and i enjoy sin aswell but i can't get sub right. so its either outlaw or sin for me
that makes things a bit more complicated
realistically tho you wont hit a wall until 4th or 5th boss
so play whatever and build a backup set
No one really knows, koji might have some eldritch ancient knowledge but assa has always simmed low since I before started TCing in ny’alotha and it’s performing exactly on par when doing dummy tests so it’s just kinda ???? The rogue APLs don’t get giga cooked like havoc or something so that’s like a part of it but not to the extent that it should be so historically low. We’ve kinda just accepted it at this point that it just be like that
That’s case the APL from fuu’s sheet isn’t updated and doesn’t know the timings btw
It’s just so odd
yes i did that this season aswell but the backup set mostly sucks because i can not concentrate on both with the times i can play
it was especially hard this season with trinket choices
It is insanely odd but over the course of like 5 expansions now no one has been able to point to a reason
And all the abilities are doing correct damage
Rotation is good
Assa A+?
You can hit a dummy and it’s basically spot on
But then you open sprocket logs or something and it’s overperforming
It’s very weird but it’s just life idk
!fotm
FOTM Info
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Fatebound is not playable in any AoE situation, and ESPECIALLY not in Mythic+. Don't bother.
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Tuning is nowhere near done and realistically won't be until mid-September; unless you enjoy playing rogue there is no point in you rerolling at this time, we don't bring anything impactful (e.g big aoe stops/party buff) to the group
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PTR sheets and PTR sims are borderline misinformation with how rapidly things are changing and most sims are not currently updated at this time. Again, this will fix itself as we get deeper into the patch and things solidify, but judging a reroll off of PTR tier lists and random sims or seeing one guy pump super hard on a stream is not indicative of anything.
The moment I saw people posting out of context details screenshots from streamers
I knew I had to get out ahead of it

Best part of the ptr cycle
Case in point
disgusting fotm rerollers
Just let the Bot post this every 5 Minutes
Like clockwork
assa seems good
Arent u a fotm reroller? xddddd
Good seems assa
i have a question about thistle tea
i played a while back before tea was a thing and loved sin rouge a while ago i went to play it again and was like where my energy at and realised i needed to drink tea to sustain it and that kinda turned me off the class honestly just didnt feel like it belonged
so my question is do we still need to drink the tea to maintain energy ?
its 8.30 am and im laughing, seems like a good day, like assa ptr
!tea
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
Last screenshot this screenshot furhter, until its unreadable
I’m just gonna start muting people
hahaha




you use tea during cds (and if it for some reason autoprocs outside of cds u dont really care, just macro and forget about it)
For everytime someone says, is Assa Meta/Fotm/STier let the Bot Muteroulette for the Person
ahh ok that is helpful thankyou imma go enjoy rouge again 😄
Id say anytime someone asks fotm/S/meta it you just random number gen a number from 1-1000000000 and thats how many seconds they are timed out for lol
I hate blz does update when I just started to do FBSin, but good buffs, ngl
I mean thats kinda Muteroulette
You have a chance to get muted for up to 2 Hours i think
You can participate this by using !mr in #bot-spam

I can send you my update
ahh ok i wasnt familiar w it
im not im curretly a lvl 76 sin rogue main
facts
Great, thanks 💯
had to make sure I still knew what i was doing
it was better when it was in OT
do you crimson tempest in ST on ptr?
ah, another shindigg stream enjoyer
!fotm
FOTM Info
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Fatebound is not playable in any AoE situation, and ESPECIALLY not in Mythic+. Don't bother.
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Tuning is nowhere near done and realistically won't be until mid-September; unless you enjoy playing rogue there is no point in you rerolling at this time, we don't bring anything impactful (e.g big aoe stops/party buff) to the group
-
PTR sheets and PTR sims are borderline misinformation with how rapidly things are changing and most sims are not currently updated at this time. Again, this will fix itself as we get deeper into the patch and things solidify, but judging a reroll off of PTR tier lists and random sims or seeing one guy pump super hard on a stream is not indicative of anything.
Ew
are you playing bleed build
yes sir
ty
if you have amp poison, it's envenom city
@balmy condor you forgot to specifically mention spreadsheets in the command. Considering how much pain they caused, definitely worthy of it

How we doing in ptr w the buffs ytd? Will it be sufficient to bring us up to S tier w the frost DKs?
!bislist
whispyr you know why assa sims low and does better in reality?
cause it loses less from downtime
!strawberrycookie
yes suck my dick etc etc etc
real and true
also rogue has a hidden stat where it gets less mechanics
so it has more uptime on average
I can tell you with confidence that we are doing better than before the buffs
!fuu
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
Dang ive been away for some time and still cant read. Wow definitely scarred me for life

Like the hidden tech where you use distract on top of someone and it changes the mechanic target?

Frost got nerfed by like 8% st in the last iteration, wouldn’t say it’s S anymore
I mean you are in stealth, ofcourse you get less. The Boss doesnt see you !?
how much hopium do I have to inhale in order to believe playing fatebound in m+ would be on par with deathstalker? I hate that mark shit
i would say no is the correct answer

only chance for this is that fatebound gets the whole nerfing itself in aoe thing removed
and even then, you lose the capstone between pulls
which is just
yeah
deathstalkers mark alone is just aaaaeeehhhhhhh
dumbest thing introduced since caustic, which was dumbest thing since original IC
great time to play something else
i mean class..
im still playing hc poe
Yotei comes out in October bruh plenty of time

ill have your cock strangled
Still didnt get into poe 
just read the development notes, rogue is getting A LOT of love, im impressed
💀
still not enough, lets see if we are above tanks in raid
We will be meta? A lot of meta chasers will join here 🍋🟩
Did you ever try reading the pins?
!fotm
FOTM Info
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Fatebound is not playable in any AoE situation, and ESPECIALLY not in Mythic+. Don't bother.
-
Tuning is nowhere near done and realistically won't be until mid-September; unless you enjoy playing rogue there is no point in you rerolling at this time, we don't bring anything impactful (e.g big aoe stops/party buff) to the group
-
PTR sheets and PTR sims are borderline misinformation with how rapidly things are changing and most sims are not currently updated at this time. Again, this will fix itself as we get deeper into the patch and things solidify, but judging a reroll off of PTR tier lists and random sims or seeing one guy pump super hard on a stream is not indicative of anything.
wtf is a meme buff
for example, the buff they did mid season to ambush
that was useless
??????
it was like 2% but okay
forgot about this
dude is stuck in the rogue is always bad echo chamber
Sounds like a minus because trinkets were shit already and now they have to make them more shit so the new ones can be even shittier
still one of the worst ST in M+
It was a decent buff
with zeross build it was okay imo
Does sub has a better st with m+ build?
Yes
talent build with bad ST will remain bad ST
but taking sin's context into account, it was a meme buff. Too little too late tbh
Now you’re slightly less of a liability though 😎
Yeah I don't get the reason for nerfing the s2 trinkets because some of the s3 trinkets looked wild
For what renember we had a balance build between aoe and st didn't we?
swapping to KB build??
I didnt really test it tbh
you're talking about the forced induction one right?
Sometimes it feels like people forget a whole year worth of knowledge just because a new patch is about to drop
ye no garrote
its a good amount better in high keys i was told, tested in like 17 18 keys and it was pretty decent
are you a fotm player if you only play ptr and quit until the next ptr
Bold of you to assume I had a whole year worth of knowledge

I dont even mean you, because there are times where you are one of the knowledgeable persons here 
I was under the impression (Whispyr said it at the time) that the forced induction build was underperforming heavily compared to bleed/hybrid and wasnt worth it for low keys (17 and below)
Call me a goldfish the way i forgot 5 minutes ago
thats correct
Which is a scathing indictment on the rest of the room 
its not that bad in low keys (for ex like 12s) but bleed does better overall for sure
Yhea
that's true, but if you're bitching about low ST, there's solutions to that, you just play the ST build

you need to be using the highest overall build in keys
let other dps ST

dont X me
gaslight the other 2 dps to do their job
I mean it's kinda true
sin on ptr at least is doin absurd things, will see if it goes live that way
let us cook
the biggest overall group dps is the fastest key by definition
until you explode the rookery because you ran bleed build 
simply dont zone into rookery
Done and done
theres no rookery next season
any askers
A non-sponsored water is the drink of choice for whispyr viewing
any idea if the no-garrote build will be viable next season with the changes?
Cant be true
What is that sorcery
What changes 
yep
everything is exactly the way it is now
so if it's viable now
it'll be viable
and if it isn't, well it probably won't be
Blasphemous. You arent a real rogue if you dont chug a Monster or two while watching his stream
Yeah fuck it st, ego on overall
i ingested so much pre-workout today i almost had a heart attack
you cant link overall if you sacrifice overall to do more st
well im happy
youre evil
just came here to see what the tuning meant for rogues
but I like that blizzard fixed sub shadow blades stuff, the sin tierset and CB stuff
they're finally fixing bugs that were here during whole expac
@balmy condor summarized it really well
I mean he made a command called fotm, which is basically confirmation that assa is now fotm and therefore meta
By the way, I just finished the video and have 1 question for master assassin whisp
What happens if they nerf forge trinket hard?
Will we be playing fatebound in ST?
Oh
"tune the trinket and we're in bussiness"
i think i know what that means
@balmy condor how’s bleed build navigating next patch?
Hey guys! Are the rogue spec sims out after recent tuning? I checked pins but sadly cannot find it
Never trust them anyway
Sin will sim 600k down from outlaw and do more dmg 
Yhea this was VERY evident this season
ofcourse with a grain of salt, but my guild wants me on a rogue so thats why im mainly doing research into the individual specs
my sin was simming 2.1 while sub was simming 2.6
You’re 99% going to be a dagger rogue
Will have to see how the raid plays out
If it’s like this tier you can play any spec
Wait he did? I wanna see it but I don't want to check the list to actually know what's the !
!fotm
FOTM Info
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Fatebound is not playable in any AoE situation, and ESPECIALLY not in Mythic+. Don't bother.
-
Tuning is nowhere near done and realistically won't be until mid-September; unless you enjoy playing rogue there is no point in you rerolling at this time, we don't bring anything impactful (e.g big aoe stops/party buff) to the group
-
PTR sheets and PTR sims are borderline misinformation with how rapidly things are changing and most sims are not currently updated at this time. Again, this will fix itself as we get deeper into the patch and things solidify, but judging a reroll off of PTR tier lists and random sims or seeing one guy pump super hard on a stream is not indicative of anything.
???
wtf
i gotchu im the fotm police
brah
There are usually multiple ! for the same stuff
Some of them don't really make sense too
im the dumb one, I wasnt even aware of this
sorry guys
i need to rebrand
toxic david
You can get the same command typing ! Bleed/cleave/hybrid/builds(?)
I am nice now! 😄
And the one I don't understand the most is ! Poison. Singular poison
!poisons would make sense
lol
You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:
Lethals:
- Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
Non-Lethals: - Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB
Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used
why is instant poison even listed as an option
So although it was indeed obvious, the fotm stuff, I needed to make sure xD
bad very bad dont even think about it
!tea
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
no no
there's a phrase you can command
that contains the letters TEA in one of the words
I can't remember
It was eventually changed maybe
!stealth
Yeah
With all the chat I haven't read the fotm info yet
standard stuff
There was a weird build in Df s3 or 4 that took dtb but no amp poison so your second poison would be instant.
I enjoyed the last sentence
He’s never heard of ptr tuning
Basically "don't mind what streamers do"
I went bald cause I saw zerocool do it
valid reason did u gain IO tho?
Stu appearance, today is blessed
Haven't heard of zerocool in a minute, is he playing rogue?
He played rogue last season but didn't push super hard
You'll be back. They always come back.
wasn't streaming a lot
Whois zerocool
powerful assas one trick
Quitting wow is easy, I've done it 8 times now 
I want to quit too, I'm debating if I'm playing this season or not
I don't even have the blizzard client installed
I will 99% quit next expansion
💀
Based reasons
Oh that reminds me
Remember to add the required
when posting misinformation, thank you
yes i know these are pre-buffs, sims are fake, etc etc
@jade abyss

you guys dont get it
THIS is the narrative we have to push
rogue is bad
trash
worse class
Saying it won't change anything
We gotta show it on logs
We gotta throw knife a bunch in ST
poisoned knife > KB > shiv > shiv > envenom > garrote > rupture > DM ?
Sub kinda does that, or we can do that. Shuriken storm/toss between coups during shadow blades 
im going to storm
wbu?
im not binding toss ffs
I'll choose it randomly before each raid night, a bit of variety ya'know
because some depraved mind is playing DTB without atrophic
good answer
🇬 🇴 🇦 🇹
Well do they play DTB without atrophic because we list instant as an option or do we list it as an option because someone plays it 
Where was it listed as an option?
It was a niche build in an old season that simmed high but I don’t think it really did more dps
i had more fun in hardcore than entire last season 💀
I had a lot of fun last season and I can’t wait for this one
are you a boomer by any chance?
!poison
You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:
Lethals:
- Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
Non-Lethals: - Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB
Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used
Yes
you gotta be at LEAST 30+ to enjoy that insanely slow paced gameplay
40+
yep, when I was younger it was warlock xd
50+
dont smack me in with them
now im 30+
30s is young af

I'm literally 30 rn
the last season for me was horrible with performance issues and rogue tuning was crap.
im living to 120 min
where did my hair go brother?
95 kids assemble
and about to be a dad
That's the best meh part!!!
yeah i got a dog but i dont think its the same
not havin hair anymore?
Assa was like top 5 specs all season
I fully believe it too, you have a dependant to raise and teach
I just need to wait a bit to turn my daughter into a gold farmer
game performance issues? or you mean your dmg output?
raising kids
losing my hair didn't matter much, got a hefty beard instead and I highrolled head shape
based my friend has his kids farm gold
what spec you coaching her on
man I can't go bald, I got a big water head 
Either druid balance so the blizzard employees don't ban her
megamind looking ass
Or BM hunter
wait for demon hunters 3rd spec itll be op
flashy and ez
you be the judge of that.
i was dead, but on my screen i was alive
Kpop demon hunter spec
bro they're trying to deny it in the interviews but we all know it's coming 11.2.5 or 12.0
didnt they use words like "doesnt necessarily mean there will be one"
because they arent trying to spoil
too bad wow hasnt heard of drip marketing
someone know where i can find this WA ?
"In terms of a new class or spec, we have nothing to announce, but it does sound really cool.”
oh wow i havent heard drip used like that in forever
he even said its obvious there will be one
question is will it be ranged or melee
imagine a mid range glaive throwing dh
that consume spell seemed to be a cast time ranged nuke but the other spells were dashes or aoe around the boss
its looking to be a hybrid kinda spec that uses both spells and more direct attacks
Caster DH would be bonkers
ah man that gave me a good chuckle. season 1 was extra buggy and holy crap the game was almost unplayable on some encounters like ovinax
my baby cousin is a year old now
she loves watching me play wow
sometimes i set up her food chair next to me as i game and she loves it
You are giving me hope
@balmy condor what's the used logic of ritual + 2nd on use trinket? use ritual and 14s in go DM+shiv+kb, 2nd trinket at 20s after ritual?
my 9 year old loves watching m+. especially with alotta shit in the floor i gotta dodge
I so hope that trinket gets nerfed
did ya see.. sacbrood buff?.. like boooring
the druid is a good friend of mine, that's a random ass video
I forget that ara ara comes back..
small world. im friends with the paladin and the mage and we found the druid in LFG
There's this one YouTube channel where it's the dad doing m+ with his child
It's so cozy and funny to watch
There is a famous csgo clip where the father goes afk and his son replace him and get the important kill to get the round
I SAW THAT ONE

I saw a clip from that channel or a similar one of the kid saying “you are not bringing your resto druid to my key!”
cinema stuff
The kid tanking as a bear, in a +10 floodgate, inventing his own route "just trust me"
And his dad blows up instantly in a mine
Also the kids picking on each other over dps
Pure cinema
Was there not this 10 aged girl on twitch that play pvp on a relativ good level?
Does this innovative tech work in Floodgate? According to Little Jon the main failure point was our DPS not having the route down resulting in some unfortunate pulls. Pa remains unconvinced that we'll see this route used in next season's MDI. In the end, IO was gained and mostly fun was had.
I'm talking about this channel in specific
INSANE as in holy moly what are they doing
They have fun, and it's fun to watch
Fun in wow how?
actually sounds like a good watch
gonna have some breakfast and put it on
Let me know if you liked it
It's good to have on the background
!spreadsheet
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
bruh fatebound sin isn't using 4pc xd
it's also not using a good APL
:)
hate it

miau
It’s almost like it was ignored for majority of the expansion. 
When is the wowhead guide done? 😮 I'm curious :C
Or rather, when is the deadline? 😄
today
nah I have a fixed APL, the sim just ain't using it :)
due date is 11:59pm PST
copy edits over the weekend
live on monday-ish
Does the trinket choices depend on hero talents
At least there isn't a whole bunch to change. Just imagine being the spriest writer 
Nice. I just want to see the burst window. Completely crush my sub rogue soul. 
Every other patch gotta do a full rewrite

it's not much higher than deathstalker with the tier, bout 10%
like 12ish million peaks
12-13
yeah I mean sub is actually 0dps outside of cds
yea
so logically should be higher
on a longer fight with execute cds you can peak at like 14ish
Stop gatekeeping
I’m also looking at it in a vacuum of only giving a shit about boss dmg and no concern for cleave adds
no
If I don't gatekeep, it ends up in spreadsheets
and if it ends up in spreadsheet people take it out of context
fuck all the PTR fiends
The best content
Set Izan free!
And if people take it out of context they post about it in here 
the sims will be available when they're needed
Ok, how about a compromise, can you tell us the rotational changes colloquially so we can be prepared for next patch?
until then they can fuck off
They’ll do that anyways
Like the important shit
I mean, true.
WHERES SIMS?!?!?!?
sure I guess
it's not that much
dry shiv is really good, but you want to avoid using shiv on darkest night cause of the 4pc
otherwise all normal for deathstalker
i need them now
So a slight shiv optimisation timing bc of tier set mark consumption, intuitive

So logically (depending on timings) sub should be better for the dmg amp bosses
fatebound if/when the 90s trinkets get buffed or forge gets a hammer you just play 90s with vanish on 3min timers
otherwise normal
logically your shivs for 45s kb would be 2 on deathmark, 1 on kb, 2 on deathmark, rinse repeat
With forge is it still 2 min
otherwise it's all still the same
Shame they didn’t let tierset make vanish 90s, mighta helped fatebound m+ a bit
frankly I'm scared to check and cold blood isn't fixed in sims so kinda whack to try and sim
Ic
Assa PvP trinket time. 
since kb last longer do we delay shiv to match 14s ?
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i swear to god it would be so funny
pvp trinket
You don’t have to pvp at least
pvp trinket week 1
and ruby knows how to upgrade it now

yes on non-deathmarks, which you would've done anyway, but you don't hold on deathmark shivs, cause you'd be wasting deathmark

Lets imagine if fatebound wasnt trash in any multitarget/aoe situation...
How shit would it still be in m+, with 4-set tied to lucky coin that might drop between packs in some dungeons?
theres an actual real possibility i might prog last boss and last boss only
there's nothing unintuitive
it's all very logical and straight forward rotationally
Are you on rogue or no?
rogue only feature
deathstalker is still deathstalker, all the s2 stuff stays
if its good
fatebound is still fatebound, all the s2 stuff stays, you just have to single shiv the off-dm kbs
carried for loot 
but it's all very straight forward
Come kill last boss
I assume if you have that much down time you're probably in an intermission of some kind in which case you'll have cds to get the coin back up afterwards and can plan it out
or if it's dropping on like regular ass pulls, your tank sucks
being fully out of combat for 15 seconds sounds insanely troll
Well sometimes waiting for patrols etc
thats the nature of m+, you have walking and waiting for patrols and gathering and mana
and and and....
But ye with the tier might be easy enough to get back again, so might not be an issue
yeah but in those situations its big pulls and important mobs that you would've had cds for anyway
10seconds is a very small amount of time
like cds can be used
which is kinda what you do with DS anyway lol
it's a silly hypothetical anyway though cause fatebound needs divine intervention to be remotely viable
Not that i like fatebound, i just think i hate deathstalker more after 2 seasons...
Well one can dream 😂
it loses so much damage in aoe it's silly
Ye would need alot of changes i recon, tbh would be nice if it was atleast decent on 2-3 targets compared to deathstalker
Allow more room for switching stuff in raid atleast
like lets say fatebound is 4%ish ahead of deathstalker in single target
in just 3 target aoe, it's 9% behind
and it gets worse and worse as you add more
how much does it look like after the adjustments btw?
just a rough %
on 8 targets or something it's like 15 or 16% behind
is this factoring in how quickly dev, mm and locks delete said adds? 
Ye, its actually mind-boggling shit design in current wow...
erm
lemme go find a deathstalker profile to use
it’s just a throwback to only focus on the boss assa rogue.
Ye fine in theory, doesnt work in current iteration of the game, and 99% of boss designs etc
They keep wanting to spawn tons of other targets for some reason, pure ST is dead
I mean it’s the same. Just people focus on details overall more vs what we used to refer to as ethical dmg
Goal posts just move
True, if you have others blasting adds etc might be viable, IF its better ST than other classes/specs
Dont think it is tho, but i might be wrong
Loads of passive cleave for mosts, so it just feels out of place
is the cleave actually important / can you xfer enough of it into the boss is what it ultimately breaks down to
cause technically until the cold blood fix and shit is in sims
and they actually tune trinkets to reasonable levels
2min fb is still 1% better
so realistically lets call it 6-7%
and just ignore that hell
They did nerf forge 10% tho, so obviously its useless now 😂
Ahead of what
Dn
Its been ahead of deathstalker since the start of PTR yes
When a 2 min trinket even looks good on a spec like sub, i guess it might be a tiny bit overtuned 😂
Idk that we play fate in next raid
On fractillus maybe 👍
The balancing is actually so bad that I can’t tell if forge is overtuned to shit or the 90s trinkets are undertuned to shit, or both
thats a impressive difference tbh
atleast it can see play on a single boss now i gues 
Like I have no idea where it’s even SUPPOSED to be
Isn't the dungeon 90s trinket bad compared to hoc
I suspect both tbh
Yeah they’re all bad and Hoc got nerfed

another signet season 
Another thing tho, on reset day when we still have current gear, we're gonna be quiet a bit stronger than current no?
With all the aura buffs we keep getting 😂
I was hoping for sub season but look kinda grim now
where do u see this
Aurely
why should it look grim
Surely
Sub good at first, gets nerf, assa gets buff, so back to assa after 1-2 weeks
raider io seasonal stats
My prediction
Every season is a Sub season
My prediction is since I raid on Thursday... that i open logs hour before raid and play that
*sub is good for the first 1 1/2 months, assa gets a 4% aura buff, people realise they hate sub and only play it because its always the best raid spec and play assa now because they are not objectively forced into sub again
outlaw eats glue in the corner and jerks over dungeon dmg overall screenshots

the rogue circle since SL
sounds like the words of someone who always wanted to join the outlaw crew but stuck with the crayon ass spec
Not having to play DS as Sub is kinda nice though….
the solution is to be in a better guild so you do real content when sub is better
Glue eating outlaw i agree with.
Due to deathstalker i much prefer sub to assa though...
But assa is so chill to play
go and complain about target caps you wannabe fury warrior

Has the new trinket tuning make any 1.5min trinkets look promising for fatebound?
dayum
Show ds
what talents zeross
secret talents cooking stuff atm
dm me babe
streaming tho if u wanna watch
okies will do
Oh boy cant wait to steal zerros build for my weekly 10s

-# side note i dont think ive even bothered once to look at his talent build
Dont give me hope. God i hate deathstalker...
@balmy condor i remember you saying something something fb m+ something something, might happen
good luck moderating the channel
Bleed build in the weekly keys homie.
Just dot it all up and watch it fall over.
im bursting 50m in some packs
wtf
I was sarcastic
leave it to zeross to do the real cooking
but not enough testing thats why im doing that rn
the hero we need

life is getting worse and worse isnt it
Does every mother fucker on earth have random ass details screenshots to post
Get them out of your system now
r o f l
here is a random ass picture of a bnuy
nah they are on past broad
great stew
same
lowkey
how hard would it go if they doubled the tier set effects for both hero trees
1 min dm, 30s kb 
His name is Details
Like your profilpicture
just had a mage tell me that blastwave is an interrupt. 
insisted that he stops the cast bar
its called a stop, not an intrerrupt
i know
What about an interstop
im just baffled how ppl w/ 3k rating don't know is all.
3k rating is low
yeah im learning that.
Because I keep getting asked for some reason
- Yes the latest tuning is live on PTR
- The only thing missing on PTR currently is the kingsbane bug fix
- Cold Blood has a duration and the 4% aura buff/tails coin buffs are live and datamined. The Deathstalker tier buffs are live as well with the extra shiv duration and additional effect
- Guides will update after the weekend, before the patch goes live
except people with high score who are full of themselves, and ego
or think they have high score
but in actuality play like they park in a special parking place
its just that the point was that he insisted it was correct. and blamed me for messing the key and such.
can I be full of myself with low score 
you can be full of me. come here baby
idk the whole score=self worth thing some of these m+ guys are on
is really cursed
Its soloq, it is what it is
You mean to say they are women?
(are parking spaces for women internationally known?)
any talent builds for ptr to testout?
and, in my mind, an insult to women
They are usually closer to the entrance and exit
So they dont have to walk as far
??????????????
the same as s2

thats literally the same as handicapped parking spaces
No those are bigger aswell
And for a different reason
alot bigger
ty
well of course
can park a semi sideways in some handicapped places.
Parking spaces for women are like that so they feel safer not walking alone in dark places
Quite as far
or are bigger since they have to get children out of the car as well
men can have children with them aswell.
and the children and just as children with or without women around
ik youre sarcastic
wait sorry it's parent-child parking
i would park on women parking spaces though
could be cause im an asshole
but its more to be against the stupidity of it
dont know what that is
it's like a parking lot but inside
Underground parking, parking decks and supermarkets
MoD is still bugged
Mermaid on Drugs?
Close
whats bugged about it
after cast shiv, it will stop working (seems to be related to ds 4p)
🐛
oh that bug
yeah
if you refresh it, it should work again no?
not too bad
lose a bit of uptime on a 100% uptime effect, its whatever
we've lived off bugs our entire wow career 
protein

maybe you're the clown that keeps making people flood my dms with "FATEBOUND GOOD NOW?????????????????? KINGSBANE INFINITE DAMAGE WITH BUG FIX?????????? BUFF NOT LIVE?????????????????? TO THE MOOOOOOON????????????????????????????"
I'm blaming you
no i am jeter
proof?
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whispyr i think you should consume alcohol
drink
maybe I just crack open a crisp can of compressed air
huff that sweet sweet nitrogen
Not gona cut it
MIAUUUUUU
Meow?
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