assassination

[hearty seal]

how's that different

[thorn thorn]

Crazy almost as if the spec is designed to have some downtime

[glad osprey]

Not as much

[glad osprey]

Yeah but someone was asking to compare

it’s not that sin isn’t fun it is

[spice surge]

Youre right, its not as much, its actually more on average

[glad osprey]

but feral’s TF makes it so you don’t have to pool

I never find myself pooling on feral I can’t lie

I do on sin

[runic hinge]

Feral has a reason to pool. Like there’s gameplay attached. Sin you’re just out of energy.

[thorn thorn]

If we talk about pooling it means we will eventually talk about tea and eventually auto tea

And then Whispyr will kill all of us

[glad osprey]

LOL

[hearty seal]

ngl if Sin's changed to have to pool for a noticeable benefit
I'm swapping lul

[glad osprey]

Auto tea is worse yeah

[royal lantern]

aaaand here it goes

[runic hinge]

I wouldn’t. I think pooling with a purpose is fine.

[hearty seal]

will he have to drink tea for it tho?

[glad osprey]

But I find feral a lot more fun to play unfortunately, I like them both but sin is a lot more clunky

[balmy condor]

Nah I’m leaving

It’s fine

Gonna eat food

[thorn thorn]

Look what yall did

Feel shame

[balmy condor]

Nah don’t

[royal lantern]

making him eat

[pliant remnant]

[drifting cloud]

enjoy king

[balmy condor]

Live with your delusions

[hearty seal]

making a guy eat

[glad osprey]

Yeah pooling with sin is just energy

[balmy condor]

Idc

[hearty seal]

smh

[glad osprey]

I don’t like it it sucks

[hearty seal]

it's fine
but not for me

just wanna slam but like, with purpose
current SIn is close to that for me

[glad osprey]

feral also gets like 0 energy bite procs, more to click

[royal lantern]

then play something else, you are not the Protagonist?

[thorn thorn]

You are extremely quotable

[glad osprey]

I do play it, but not liking something about a spec doesn’t mean I shouldn’t talk about it !

it’s fixable

[spice surge]

Yep, gotta make envenom not have 150% uptime so theres a reason to hold your energy to slam it in quick succession

Or something else

I liked the tier from amirdrassil

Rapid injection is just way too weak for it to matter though

[royal lantern]

and the fix is not "give it mindless endless energy"

[lean plover]

amirdrassil gameplay was fun

[royal lantern]

there are 120000000specs tgat allready work like that

[runic hinge]

Have a good night pookie

[royal lantern]

so i really dont understand why people come to the one that is slightly different and immediatly say how bad it is and should be different

[buoyant herald]

Yeah there’s hardly any specs left in the game that aren’t gcd capped yet people find their way to them and complain

[thorn thorn]

Surprisingly the concept of a specific playstyle or concept having a small but dedicated population because it is not homogenized is a foreign concept to people

[hearty seal]

tbh my preferred solution would be to introduce something to the ST rotation that ends up generating more energy
but you shouldn't get it automatically or be able to press it mindlessly so it can't be a proc or something that just says "here generate X energy per press"

[thorn thorn]

That sounds like tigers fury

Which is just Thistle Tea

[spice surge]

It doesnt need to be more energy, that doesnt really fix the issue. There needs to be something that makes the downtime where you are waiting feel better, more purposeful

[runic hinge]

Sin is basically gcd capped rn except with the bleed build in ST. Which is like one build in one scenario. People just can’t stand not slamming buttons

[spice surge]

Both sub and feral have more downtime in their rotation than assa as an example

[hearty seal]

my thinking was more along the lines of a GCD strike, rather than an oGCD CD

[lean plover]

i want less envenom spam, bigger kb, and energy gameplay

[spice surge]

But fewer people are complaining about that downtime on those specs

(theres still some that complain ofc, but less than with assa)

[thorn thorn]

Bigger Kb yes

[hearty seal]

well
Assa, on the surface, looks like a very sustained damage spec (as most DoT specs are wont to be)
Sub just makes it super clear that it has several major CDs and nothing much outside of that

[sweet plover]

Hear me out, unlimited energy and 80% dmg buff to all abilities.

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[hearty seal]

which is why Assa gets complaints because it's neither perceived as a burst/CD spec (which has expected downtime)
or actually able to slam forever despite being perceived as more or less a slammer with DoT upkeep

[royal lantern]

average mage patchnotes be like

[runic hinge]

What did you mean by this specifically

[thorn thorn]

Buff KB 80% then we will talk

[royal lantern]

buff shadowhearth by 80%

[indigo mulch]

Give me back 100 stacks of kb! 😄

pewpew

[thorn thorn]

true

[indigo mulch]

It was so cancer to play around.

[thorn thorn]

Revert the KB changes

[spice surge]

Convoke eats my BT stacks and maxes the berserk extra cp, so after convoke i have to either do no BT bites just to get rid of my cps or overcap cps to get BT up

[hearty seal]

tbh I wonder if buffing shadowheart to be like
50% leech when it applies
without changing anything else
will do anything at all to its popularity and usability

[spice surge]

You could make it 500% and it would still be bad

[hearty seal]

weeeeell
500% could lead to some funni degenerate PvP stuff

[spice surge]

Or well, for raid as assa it would be fine since vanish is useless ig

[hearty seal]

like a Garrote+Rupture healing you for a million per second

but only when stealthed

basically get to reset combat for yourself even harder if you aren't knocked out of stealth quickly

[balmy condor]

Shadowheart doesn’t heal from vanish, only full stealth

Long time bug

I don’t think they ever fixed it

[spice surge]

Ye you have to sit in vanish for 3s

[indigo mulch]

I'd rather they stopped shoving things into vanish period. 😒

[hearty seal]

true

[balmy condor]

I mean

They are

[spice surge]

I mean shadowheart is never gonna be good until they make it work with more things

[indigo mulch]

And that's a good thing!

Now for the last patch notes.

[spice surge]

The fact that it doesnt work with vanish, subterfuge nor shadow dance is just baffling

[hearty seal]

the best change this year was the +40% buff to Mutilate that made VV outdo MA+Subterfuge

[indigo mulch]

I expect to see: "Cooldblood's cooldown starts when using the ability while in assassination"

😦

[spice surge]

Idk why that would be limited to assa

[hearty seal]

even if it works permanently it's just 2% leech
so it's just
borderline meaningless regardless
it's just borked on every side

[indigo mulch]

I'm guessing they put the whole thing in there because there was some cheese going on.

I don't see why else they would put it to be like that if not for that ;s

[hearty seal]

it could also be how the ability's worked for a while and nobody's touched it
can't remember if it was like that in vanilla

[spice surge]

But idk, even if they do fix cold blood its possible you end up using it at 2 minutes a lot of the time anyway because racial+2 min trinket+MA

[indigo mulch]

I wouldn't know i'm not smart enough for that, but i would assume you could at least use the 1.5min cds somehow if your cb arent drifting all the time.

[spice surge]

If you dont BL on pull playing prism instead of the 2 min one is probably fine though

[hearty seal]

what, is DS set back enough that people are actually considering Fatebound for S3, barring future changes?

[lean plover]

no

[indigo mulch]

Noone is considering fatebound.

lol

[lean plover]

fatebound is not playable

at all

[indigo mulch]

I just want it to be viable. Playing around 1.5min cds sounds fun. That's all.

[hearty seal]

what's CB have to do with anything then

[lean plover]

cb is the reason you delay kb

so not 45 sec cd kb

so no 90 sec dm

[indigo mulch]

Because of CB you end up at 2min cds instead of 1.5min windows.

When you click CB the cooldown dosen't start until you use 2 finishers.

So everytime you use CB your CB cd drifts futher and futher away from your KB.

So you end up having to hold KB and that just invalidates the entire 4p.

[hearty seal]

which is why FB is dead, right?

[spice surge]

Ye here is the fatebound set bonus for anybody who missed it

[indigo mulch]

No, it has more issues.

[spice surge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1083360651394678784/1399744062554112000/image.png?ex=688b6e3e&is=688a1cbe&hm=54c2639c5c9afca66caa844fb9d58e33939f8ad5d63626db34340d3a5d8cd8d5&

[hearty seal]

well, part of it

[indigo mulch]

The other issues is the self nerf in AoE.

People wants to play fatebound in AoE cause you don't have to juggle the mark around. So it would make add swapping way easier

[hearty seal]

ok yeah I was just thinking about it in the context of "wtf does CB have to do with DS, if FB is dead? is FB somehow not fully dead?"

[indigo mulch]

but fatebound self nerfs itself with adds up.

[hearty seal]

but it's dead
(good, trash from top to bottom, nothing good about this talent tree)

[lean plover]

yep, i would love not having to play ds

[spice surge]

Theres going to be A LOT of complaining about DS in here this tier

[indigo mulch]

Yeah..

[spice surge]

Most bosses have target swaps

[lean plover]

wdym? ill have fun as trickster

[hearty seal]

haven't been following the raid stuff

[indigo mulch]

I mean this will just be a sub tier that's all.

Most people will prob play sub while the rest of us stays assa 😄

[visual sun]

Play a different tier problem solve

[hearty seal]

how many target swaps are we talking

[indigo mulch]

Many.

[hearty seal]

ye but like
every second boss kind of many
or 1-2 bosses but lots of swaps in them?

[spice surge]

First 3 doesnt, 4th does, 5 is a council boss so it has a fuckton, 6 doesnt, 7 and 8 does

[hearty seal]

shit

so both

[lean plover]

no worries next patch notes they fix fb and we are free

[indigo mulch]

lmao

[spice surge]

Some of them are more akin to how ansurekk was

Theres like an intermission type thing where you need to make sure you dont have your mark on her when it starts

[hearty seal]

weeeeell
Ansurek was manageable

[fresh kelp]

is the eranog mechanic on loomithar more often than vanish cd?

[spice surge]

Well if that ends up being tightly tuned ye ig thats one more boss

[hallow glade]

2nd boss eco dome

[indigo mulch]

A lot of people just picks spec depending on the end bosses.

If they are heavily favored by sub then i guess a lot of people will just play sub because they don't want to swap around specs.

and people look at rwf obv. If they play sub (they will) people will just automatically copy what they do.

[hearty seal]

at least fishstick isn't a totem anymore so no need to hardswap

[fresh kelp]

assa might just end up being annoying to play with the mark shit

regardless of tuning

[spice surge]

speaking of

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/ghosts-of-k’aresh-development-notes/577478/12

They fixed cb

[visual sun]

Bro

Fb back?

Whispyr pins when

[rose inlet]

WHOA WHOA WHOA

[shy creek]

hmmm

[vital flicker]

this is the post I would expect about rogue changes but there is actually more!

[wanton mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/wowawewa-borat-wowwawewaa-gif-15656274

[bronze pike]

Yo pog

[hearty seal]

lol lmao

[visual sun]

Kb fixed too for fb

[lunar sonnet]

[hearty seal]

Manaforge Omega 4-set bonus – Now increases Shiv duration by 3 seconds (was 2 seconds).
11 seconds of shiv...

[lusty narwhal]

Pog

somehow warriors still get nothing lmfao

fixing CB is interesting

[runic hinge]

Lmfao

[wanton mirage]

Maybe we won't just be above Prot Warrior is damage now?!?!

[runic hinge]

Fatebound playable yet?

[velvet cairn]

is cb change enough for fatebound tho? thinking you kinda want vanish still or its just vanish on opener and then 3 min in?

[hearty seal]

I mean
the design isn't changed

[vital flicker]

so that delve trinket got like a 50% nerf?

[marsh fjord]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/hunters-nerfed-again-patch-11-2-ptr-class-tuning-377950

WE ARE BUFFED

POGGIES WOGGIES

[thorn thorn]

Sin changes

Set changes

[haughty flicker]

fatebound not changed but maybe cb makes it not cancer to play on pure st

[runic hinge]

Coin damage buffs

Poggies

[haughty flicker]

true

[runic hinge]

Think about the cosmic damage

[haughty flicker]

[runic hinge]

No mark swapping

[marsh fjord]

@flat pier waiting for those feetpics

[runic hinge]

Fb tier

[wanton mirage]

Where Whispyr? Where pins?

[haughty flicker]

i mean if fb wasnt ass in anything other than pure st i'd swap immediately

fuck mark

all my homies hate mark

[wanton mirage]

Maybe I'm the majority but I don't mind mark gaming.

[visual sun]

Where pookies

[wanton mirage]

Minority***

[fathom flax]

Stonks

Boys we got it

They fixed rogue

[runic hinge]

I am just tired of mark gaming after 2 seasons of it

[fathom flax]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/hunters-nerfed-again-patch-11-2-ptr-class-tuning-377950

@balmy condor wake up they fixed fatebound

[runic hinge]

Can we not ping the guy 15 times lol I’m sure he knows. He went out to dinner

[visual sun]

I think he went out to eat. Quick someone chew his food rq

[haughty flicker]

lmao

no

where sims

fuck food

[thorn thorn]

Yall are crazy

[visual sun]

Specify it

Ptr sims

Trigger the guy

[fathom flax]

Okay but how about 14

[hearty seal]

don't like mark
but hate FB more

[marsh fjord]

stop pinging him tho

let the man enjoy his evening

you rogue babies can wait for a few hours

[hot pasture]

ROGUE CHANGERS AJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ

[inland dirge]

only ping whispyr with feet pics thanks

[cerulean walrus]

[fathom flax]

“Changes” is a loose term haha

[sleek ember]

[fathom flax]

It’s more like aura buffs and bug fixes

[hot pasture]

BROOOOOOOOO

[white lance]

when everyone is getting nerfed, but rogues getting buffed, you know we were cooked

[wanton mirage]

I'll send him my dogs and tell him to get to werk

[hot pasture]

whispyr come

[inland dirge]

my dogs are barking rn

[buoyant herald]

https://tenor.com/view/kamala-harris-do-not-come-gif-25102112

[hot pasture]

ALELUYA

[visual sun]

Not familiar with the other class ptr state, did they get the nerf bat?

[hot pasture]

hype¿

[somber fractal]

fatebound saved

[lusty narwhal]

wrong

[vital flicker]

fatebound in raid?

[lusty narwhal]

You cant play it still lol

[buoyant herald]

Nah it’s playable at least in the sense that it doesn’t just break

[lusty narwhal]

DS getting buffed and aoe situations, I doubt its touched at all

[buoyant herald]

But the general design issues still remain so eh

You still might just not

[runic hinge]

One week before the patch whisp gotta suddenly figure out if fb is worth it

[haughty flicker]

fatebound fractillus gaming

holy

playable on one boss pog

[fathom flax]

There’s like 3? ST fights in the raid

Maybe fate is good for them

[hallow glade]

surely in pure st

surely fatebound finally sees play

[haughty flicker]

[hallow glade]

THIS TIME

[oak eagle]

Fr

[somber fractal]

the cold blood thing would need to be changed i think

[hallow glade]

it did

get changed

and kingsbane bug

[somber fractal]

oh word

[humble ginkgo]

dude were still getting buffed

[fathom flax]

Sentinel, Man with wall and kyvesza’s dad all ST right?

[oak eagle]

Surely Fatebound is gonna see some play this tier

[hallow glade]

why do they wait until last week of ptr to fix rogue shit

[runic hinge]

You’re a boomkin main anyways

[hallow glade]

after all raid testing is done

[fathom flax]

Stealth buffs

[buoyant herald]

Learn to live for the excitement

[somber fractal]

fatebound is kinda cringe and ill be glad it stays dead tbh

[hearty seal]

execute phase

[hallow glade]

wonder if they fixed anything with coup

[hallow glade]

LMAO

[oak eagle]

Chat how do we play with Fatebound, Ive never even speced into the talents

[haughty flicker]

my boomkin still had its details showing our first stix kill up until i logged in to farm raids on it

i refuse to be a boomkin

[fleet patrol]

yeh mans typing an essay

[oak eagle]

Im just waiting for him to post his essay

[thorn thorn]

He is typing up a pin

[haughty flicker]

pin for the pookies

[fleet patrol]

maybe i can get him to check my logs from S1?

[haughty flicker]

[buoyant herald]

How long can it take to screencap wowhead and pin smh

[bronze pike]

Whipsyr

Whispyr

Tell them to fix ret

Please

I can’t

Have Gerald of the sun dead

[visual sun]

Patch gonna be bonkers/ broken on day 1 when devs arent even done tuning this close to patch

[bronze pike]

For all expansion

[thorn thorn]

We are rogues here sir

[pure tide]

dont care about ret

[bronze pike]

I’m not fatebound for rogues

[pure tide]

save rogue

[bronze pike]

Yall can have the shitty dead hero tree

[marsh fjord]

wrong discord bro

[oak eagle]

Sir this is the Rogue discord.

[bronze pike]

Fix mine

[hearty seal]

are you fatebound for anything

[bronze pike]

I’ll bless u

[haughty flicker]

wait werent herald and templar already kind of close on ptr after the divine hammer nerf though

[bronze pike]

With light praise

[bronze pike]

LMAO

[subtle kiln]

@spice surge good job you beat assa with the pin

[haughty flicker]

idk man i saw like one pin one time

[bronze pike]

Ohh whispyr is

[haughty flicker]

i try to avoid that place

[bronze pike]

Slacking

He gotta speed up

[haughty flicker]

smh

[balmy condor]

Holy Fu....atebound buffs

Pookie Video For Patch Notes, Fatebound Deep Dive Later This Week

• Cold Blood Fixed -> Very good, hard to quantify, makes the rotation not feel like ass
• Kingsbane bug fixed (roughly 3.5%) -> Very good #2
• 17% buff to tails is actually crazy. This line ON ITS OWN is a 3% overall buff in single target, and most of that will be condensed into Deathmark/Kingsbane windows with edge flips, which are now also stronger because of the cold blood fix, absolutely crazy
• 4% overall is good too, that's another 3.7%

All together fatebound is gaining roughly 12% from these changes, and possibly more depending on APL changes that come as a result of this and the (hopefully upcoming soon) death of Araz's Ritual Forge. Right now Ritual Forge is oppressively strong compared to 1:30 options which is hindering fatebound a bit.

Deathstalker
Tier buffs are good but nowhere near enough, but the extra second on shiv is nice. The Tier set before was roughly 9%, and most likely will be around 12-13% afterwards, which still puts it well and truly in the "weak" category of tier sets overall, but no longer awful.

[wanton mirage]

POG

[bronze pike]

Ya that’s the larp we tell people

[wanton mirage]

@balmy condor I owe you feet pics.

[bronze pike]

Herald is bugged to shit

[haughty flicker]

i cant wait to play fatebound gaming

[thorn thorn]

Fatebound playable

[buoyant herald]

Ty mystr whyspr

[marsh fjord]

@balmy condor i love you im gonna sub to you on twitch

[amber fossil]

is there any concern about trading DM, which you can control, vs the total rng of FB?

[fleet patrol]

doesnt the 4% then buff DS more

feels like good changes but shame there wasnt more tweaks makes me wonder if midnight is a good rework

[balmy condor]

Fatebound with tier isn’t actually that much more rng than deathstalker

[hearty seal]

no major tweaks would happen 5 days before patch

[buoyant herald]

Can’t wait to see the new sim spreadsheet and find where rogue sits now

[fleet patrol]

i mean surely they could be able to play fatebound with an add up

[buoyant herald]

https://tenor.com/view/muttly-laughing-giggle-silent-laugh-laugh-gif-5561789

[hearty seal]

ye waiting for sims

[fleet patrol]

i always enjoyed the possibility of fb

[marsh fjord]

someone explain to me because i never played fatebound why do we use cold blood for fatebound?

whats the reason behind it

[buoyant herald]

Cold blood games the coin flips to let you reach the keystone reliably

[spice surge]

Theres a talent in fatebound that makes cold blood better

Literally as simple as that

[marsh fjord]

Ohhhh

makes sense

[haughty flicker]

fatebound+cb=gud

[marsh fjord]

Thanks!

[amber fossil]

tbh, I am not looking forward to more coin bs, roll the bones is why I came back to sin

if this do that, if that do this, etc

[haughty flicker]

there is literally none of that with fatebound

you proc the coin in opener and completely ignore it

the entire fight

[balmy condor]

it feels like people have no clue how fatebound works lmao

[buoyant herald]

It’s all just in the background you don’t interact with it yeah

[visual sun]

Why is blizz doing this, dont they know them youtube streamers already did a class tier list this close to patch like smh

[turbid bone]

teach me 🙂

[visual sun]

Think of the fotm enjoyers

[buoyant herald]

They hear coin toss, they think roll the bones

[amber fossil]

well tooltip says you can get a chance to get a 15 sec buff or just dmg thew target

[balmy condor]

well it's not a chance, they're guaranteed

[amber fossil]

so I assume tghe rotation will be diff when you have the buff?

[balmy condor]

you either get one or the other, guaranteed

[haughty flicker]

no

[balmy condor]

and neither of them change the rotation

it's just bonus damage on finishers

either you're doing bonus damage because you have heads and everything does more damage

[amber fossil]

halleluiah!

[balmy condor]

or you're doing bonus damage because you got tails

and it just..... did damage

you don't even need to track the coins at all

there's no buffs or debuffs to track

no anything

[cloud basin]

so you saying i wont have to potentially play deathstalker this season?

[balmy condor]

it plays itself

[balmy condor]

I mean it's looking a lot better now

[amber fossil]

thats great news

[haughty flicker]

just keep raw buffing coin damage until losing damage from extra targets just doesnt matter anymore

[balmy condor]

okay I can't overload the algorithm with multiple videos too quickly, so pookies get patch note run down and then I finish writing guides since the fatebound stuff needs to change now omegakekw

and then y'all will get a fatebound rundown later this week

deal?

[fallow canopy]

as long as we get more hiya

[pastel roost]

Very nices changes, would fatebound buff be enough to counter Deathstalker damage profile ? In M+ ? 😄 i guess the futur will tell us

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-memes-handshake-gentleman-gif-2235389675259549968

deal

[jolly heath]

Patch was out for 20 minutes and no sim yet? Hello

[buoyant herald]

Oh shit whispyr sounds positive this must be REALLY good

[marsh fjord]

8/10 ragebait

[spice surge]

Patch isnt out, just notes

[marsh fjord]

oef the correct

he got owned

[spice surge]

Sometimes things dont match what they wrote and/or theres undocumented shit ontop of it

[marsh fjord]

is fatebound considered the easier hero talent?

since its all passive

[balmy condor]

by far yes

[pure tide]

hi

[marsh fjord]

well it would be nice to change it up a bit

[jolly heath]

Would fatebound playable in cleave fight

So i dont have to care about mark anymore

[marsh fjord]

DS doesnt change in cleave? so if fatebound is good then you wouldnt have to play FB

[jolly heath]

Some bosses require swapping target and it’s really aids with ds

[marsh fjord]

yeah thats what i meant

if both hero talents are good. you would play fatebound in cleave because of swapping is ass?

if you only care about the swapping that is

i dont know any other interactions.

but that really depends on tuning i feel like

[haughty flicker]

fatebound actively loses damage when there are any adds out, which is a big reason why we havent been playing it even when it theoretically was ahead/even in st

if they keep raw buffing it maybe it just wont matter though lmao

[marsh fjord]

Oh why does FB loses damage on adds?

[haughty flicker]

mainly these

[prisma cypress]

i think it’s more that it doesn’t really have anything that benefits your aoe

[haughty flicker]

thats also the other half

[delicate trench]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[haughty flicker]

deathstalker actively helps your cleave

while fatebound actively hurts your prio

[nova kelp]

we kinda just suck at target switching as a baseline, like built into the spec
the hero talents just make it shittier for various reasons

[haughty flicker]

real answer is just never swap

regardless of hero talents

[delicate trench]

1m

!m

[lusty narwhal]

The rik reverb treatment

[thorn thorn]

Its time for me to play fatebound sin

[humble ginkgo]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[marsh fjord]

with fatebound we dont have to press fok or mut at 6 Cp's anymore

which is nice

[somber fractal]

is the araz trinket actually getting nerfed or is that just a wishlist?

[spice surge]

Theres been no notes about it no

So just a wishlist

[unborn wharf]

can someone explain what the cold blood change means? was it bugged before

[spice surge]

No thats just how it worked

It doesnt matter at all for sub

[haughty flicker]

it didnt line up well with new tier

now it will line up better

[spice surge]

Its fatebound related

[haughty flicker]

is basically it

[spice surge]

Oh my bad were in #assassination

[haughty flicker]

[spice surge]

But ye before you needed to use both of your envenoms for cold blood to go on CD

And since you want to line up cb with coldblood

It effectively made kingsbane a 50-52s cd

Instead of 45

[unborn wharf]

ahhhhh that makes sense

i wasnt too familar with fatebound sin tbh

[haughty flicker]

nobody is fortunately

[spice surge]

And when you get to 1:46 when your stuff is ready you might aswell hold for 2 minutes since you have racial, vanish and a strong 2 min trinket

[haughty flicker]

[unborn wharf]

ok so good stuff and sub CB is not really functionally different at all?

[rose inlet]

none of this changes the fact that fatebound insta loses in aoe right

[spice surge]

Fatebound loses a lot in aoe yes

[haughty flicker]

sub uses cb the same time they press it so yeah doesnt matter

changes nothing for them

[spice surge]

But these buffs seem big so it might do enough damage to tank the loss

in raid that is

[rose inlet]

would that mean our st is just out of control at that point for fatebound

[spice surge]

Relative to deathstalker probably ye

[rose inlet]

ig blizz really wants someone to pick this hero talent before the xpac ends lol

[spice surge]

Theres a lot of target swapping this raid

[potent dawn]

Hopefully its the last hurrah before they NUKE them all for midnight and give us something not trash.....

[haughty flicker]

yeah thats not happening

[rose inlet]

fwiw i think they're pretty close to being ok

[haughty flicker]

[rose inlet]

but then they just have some bigger problems that make them feel terrible

[cobalt relic]

Does the rotation feel more like Sub or Outlaw then?

[rose inlet]

is this up on ptr already btw

[pliant remnant]

Sub

[spice surge]

No

[rose inlet]

dang

[pliant remnant]

It's funny as fuck watching people on Acherus, in the Frost channels, talking about how they're happy to have a week to gear rogue

Guess we're in god comp now

[marsh fjord]

How? this doesnt even make us really good

[lusty narwhal]

DK Discord is ridiculous

[haughty flicker]

well you see

[spice surge]

People are overdramatic as per usual

[haughty flicker]

rogue got lines that say + in the same note dk got lines that say -

[lusty narwhal]

Frost is still going to be absolutely bonkers

[pliant remnant]

#AtrophicIsNOTaRaidBuff

[haughty flicker]

therefore rogue is now better than dk

[buoyant herald]

That’s bonkers

[pliant remnant]

[spice surge]

But ye rogue should be good now, i still think people are sleeping on sub

[buoyant herald]

Are people actually that demented that they assume the most recent buff recipient is therefore meta

[haughty flicker]

i already thought sub would be good (in raid) before and now it got buffed

kinda nice

[balmy condor]

yes

[pliant remnant]

yes

[covert jewel]

holy we eating good, arent we

[lusty narwhal]

Objectively harder spec so people are less inclined to play it too I imagine

[spice surge]

I was mostly talking about keys, but ye raid we should be fine either way

[haughty flicker]

oh i dont do keys i enjoy my life

but if sub is good in keys pog

[spice surge]

Would say its not nearly as hard as people make it out to be. Its just different

Most classes press buttons when theyre ready, sub pools a lot of them

[lusty narwhal]

I think its the CDR that's a bit daunting

[prisma cypress]

i’ll admit to being sub-curious lately

[lusty narwhal]

Was for me at first

[prisma cypress]

i liked it in aberrus but that’s the last time i tried it

[buoyant herald]

For me it’s that you kinda need to know what you’re prepping for and pug keys are a shambles

Like you get ready then the tank pulls one pack

Do I send or keep waiting?

[pastel roost]

Honestly excited to see sub in action with thoses buff and fixes

[lusty narwhal]

It also just blows in world content haha

[haughty flicker]

yeah i didnt enjoy it in keys but i always pug

with a group im sure its more like how it is in raid

where you just plan where you want to use cds

probably decently fun

[buoyant herald]

Yeah exactly

I don’t dislike the playstyle, it just brings more frustrations than assass or outlaw in pugs

[humble ginkgo]

is trickster better than DS now

[haughty flicker]

yes

[marsh fjord]

wrong channel

[humble ginkgo]

wtf am i saying

LOL

i meant fate

[spice surge]

For pure ST ye probably, for anything with adds unsure

[humble ginkgo]

hmm

[haughty flicker]

also remember

assa tier might not look great

but just tell your loot council you'll play sub if you get tier

then dont play it

[pliant remnant]

That's what I did in Undermine

but they still didn't give me tier

[buoyant herald]

Same as last tier 😎

[pliant remnant]

[marsh fjord]

Between FB and DS are there rotionals differences? i saw we play with imp garrote

so you vanish after deathmark i geuss

[haughty flicker]

you do press vanish at one point yes

[fringe sierra]

is FB in disscussion now with the buffs?

[marsh fjord]

Yes

[slim hamlet]

This is the tech I am in this discord for

[marsh fjord]

no your not

only reason why you are in this discord is for this

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-suck-sucker-sucking-gif-13638182052461067209

[slim hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-record-cat-gif-21749933

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-tongue-cat-licking-white-cat-cursed-cat-gif-27575167

[pliant remnant]

Sir?

[marsh fjord]

Yes sir

[robust pulsar]

Hmm I wonder if fatebound will be good beyond pure single target though

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/despite-all-my-rage-gif-22554865

[slim hamlet]

[dawn pollen]

not likely unless they rework hero talent

[sudden locust]

sometimes fan of knives gives me two combo points in PURE ST and it isn't CTW, what is causing me to gain two combo points instead of one?

[balmy condor]

you're critting

[sudden locust]

its that simple huh

i see

[tawny shell]

Today good day to be yellow

[balmy condor]

I mean, yeh

[haughty flicker]

[pliant remnant]

[balmy condor]

1cp baseline + 1 target crit = 2 cp

[prisma cypress]

math checks out

[pliant remnant]

Are you sure that's right

[dawn pollen]

math is mathing

[pliant remnant]

Did you do the math correctly

[balmy condor]

let me double check my math

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xDAVCuAyP6U

[slim hamlet]

Idk I saw some video thta said 1=0

[pliant remnant]

Ayo there IS a new Whispyr video

My goat works QUICK

[slim hamlet]

So might need to double check

[fringe sierra]

link it

[balmy condor]

its in the pin

[slim hamlet]

Whispyr asmr for bedtime yippie

[slim hamlet]

New​ emoji unlocked

[prisma cypress]

70s fridge

[balmy condor]

yeah but it's sad

[haughty flicker]

pookie video is out

now i know what opinion to hav

[dawn pollen]

really hopeing for some fatebound gameplay in raid

[haughty flicker]

im so happi

[slim hamlet]

Is there a happy fridge too?

[balmy condor]

no

[slim hamlet]

:(

[chrome blaze]

So is fate bound still doa

[prisma cypress]

just need to stay away from adds

[haughty flicker]

tell tanks to pull boss away from adds

[dawn pollen]

but isn't there alot of cleave in raid xD

[haughty flicker]

mine already do that anyway

[balmy condor]

yeah where's all the people complaining that their raid doesn't stack adds

fatebound is perfect

just play with shitter tanks

[slim hamlet]

Smart

[runic hinge]

Oh this is me

Let’s gooo

Fatebound is here

[worn badger]

wait my only alt is my guardian druid.. that makes me the shiter tank that helps fatebound 😕

[runic hinge]

@bronze pike what hero talent is ret playing

[slim hamlet]

The one with highest number from robot

[worn badger]

the one that lets them stil have a 3 button fashsmash rotation?

[marsh fjord]

@balmy condor this might be impossible to asnwer but if current tuning stays. do we play FB in single target fights? or is it just dependant on trinket tuning

[balmy condor]

yes

[rain mortar]

Assa rogue maybe best rogue now for raid

[balmy condor]

would've probably played it on fractilus before the tuning

[worn badger]

as science intended

[marsh fjord]

so if we nerf that trinket with the huge main stat from araz

its FB gaming

[balmy condor]

on at least 1 fight, yes

[dawn pollen]

fb on one fight better than 0 xD

[runic hinge]

Can I play it on every fight

[balmy condor]

you specifically yes

[pliant remnant]

No

[slim hamlet]

That's like 12.5% of the fights

[runic hinge]

Okay I will

[pliant remnant]

No don't do it

[vale shore]

If I switch to fatebound, can I also switch to Shadowheart?

[pliant remnant]

The entire game will explode

[spice surge]

With how big the buffs were its possible its solid on some of the other bosses too if you can tank a few seconds of reduced damage from adds being up

[haughty flicker]

even more if you skip dh boss

[dawn pollen]

math is mathing hard

[slim hamlet]

Was about to say

[spice surge]

Do you really mean shadowheart? That talent is unironically useless

[haughty flicker]

wtf stop shitting on shadowheart

[vale shore]

and yet Larian says its the most-romanced talent in the game!

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/shadowheart-baldur's-gate-3-baldur's-gate-my-beloved-shadowheart-my-beloved-gif-15220474770414965689

[spice surge]

2% leech on my ambush on pull

[eager condor]

I for one welcome our new Fatebound overlords.

[vale shore]

https://tenor.com/view/shadowheart-gif-3040622816962320009

[marsh fjord]

Shadowheart my love

[eager condor]

Karlach >>>

[vale shore]

Karlach does not give us leech in stealth!

[haughty flicker]

yeah we dont have a talent named karlach

[worn badger]

owlbear is the real love of our lives

[eager condor]

true true

but spicy

[slim hamlet]

Another karlach glazer

[eager condor]

❤️

[haughty flicker]

owlbear cub my beloved

[eager condor]

this

[thorn thorn]

[pliant remnant]

[haughty flicker]

[runic hinge]

[worn badger]

so who would be happy if you never had to press shiv again except for the soothe effect ?

[balmy condor]

that sounds awful

[haughty flicker]

why are we trying to remove even more buttons

[slim hamlet]

Literally would have less cooldowns than defensives

[runic hinge]

I have a gif just for this occasion

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1014354006270808144/1240325651664343142/AssassinationShiv.gif

[pliant remnant]

I'd be happy if we just had no combo points and only pressed Envenom

[spice surge]

Having the soothe being tied to one of my main damage cooldowns definitely didnt feel good in theatre of pain

[pliant remnant]

Nothing else

[spice surge]

But that piss dungeon is no longer with us

So

[marsh fjord]

Did you kill owlbear on first playtrough be honest

[spice surge]

[slim hamlet]

Aoe shiv for enrage affix

[haughty flicker]

if im in a group where shiv is the only soothe then im in a group that doesnt have a soothe

[thorn thorn]

Isnt Sin the only spec that presses it rotationally

[haughty flicker]

and its the party leaders fault

[haughty flicker]

well yeah i kill the mom to assert dominance

[marsh fjord]

bully

[haughty flicker]

then steal the baby and make it love me through stockholm syndrome

[worn badger]

that gif is going to age like fine dwarven milk

[haughty flicker]

exp is exp

[chrome blaze]

Is fatebound mostly passive, what changes in the gameplay?

[haughty flicker]

[static glacier]

nothing, its just standard og sin

[hearty seal]

you spec into CB and press it in opener

[runic hinge]

They aren’t taking shiv away from assa.

[balmy condor]

deleting shiv might as well just rework the spec from scratch

there's nothing left at that point

[thorn thorn]

Not true

We have deathstalker

[hearty seal]

just make mutilate do everything 5hed

[balmy condor]

yeh mutilate and envenom

very cool

[haughty flicker]

they could replace shiv with a button that buffed bleeds specifically

maybe it could be on a 1m cd

[hearty seal]

don't you love the new and improved rotation of
1-1-1-2 x20

[bronze pike]

Templar

[thorn thorn]

Ngl no jab at anyone (directly) but every cook I see come in here to "fix" the spec has always been extremely fried

Without fail

[haughty flicker]

could like duplicate bleed damage or something

that would be cool

[runic hinge]

What about a button that every 45 seconds made your bleeds tick out twice as fast, snapshotted your haste and increased their damage by 100%

[haughty flicker]

wait you're right that sounds great

[hearty seal]

all this talk is making me think of my ex

[haughty flicker]

holy

https://tenor.com/view/science-wise-monty-python-who-are-you-gif-13606581

[thorn thorn]

Give KB a 2nd charge

[woeful violet]

Does atrophic poison stack in raid with multiple rogues?

[runic hinge]

Yes

[hearty seal]

yes

[thorn thorn]

For absolutely no reason too

[runic hinge]

Multiplicatively

[hearty seal]

so it's -3.6%, then -3.6% of what remains, etc.

still, could get like a 10.5% damage reduction with just three rogues

[cedar elm]

fatebound inc

[tropic rover]

Hear me out

Assassination with wands

[pastel roost]

Bro stop

[marsh fjord]

someone yesterday said: poison knifes throwing spec. and your idea is even worse then that

[tropic rover]

You are all cowards

You're not ready for my unarmed assassination cook....

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/elder-scrolls-stop-you-violated-the-law-gif-21698958

[haughty flicker]

idk i like the idea of ass wands

[hearty seal]

okay but that sounds almost good
though kinda stupid because you could just make outlaw lose like the last 3 melee abilities they have instead and make them embrace the gun

[neat flame]

BLIZZARD REMEMBERED FATEBOUND EXISTS?!?!?

[vale shore]

It was a coin toss...

[mint umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-he-said-it-he-said-gif-5286270

[elfin flame]

looking at pinned post are the assa DS changes looking like a 7-8% buff in ST then? since 3-4% from tier + 4% aura buff? or have i misunderstood

[spice surge]

Roughly ye

But its probably not going live until tomorrow

[elfin flame]

ah that explains the "over the next few days" note

tyty

[rich dragon]

yo is fatebond gonna be op? After this?

[lusty narwhal]

OP no

[nova kelp]

lol OP

[subtle drift]

QUick question, can't find it in the guide. Do i apply rupture/garrote on the main target to spread it or switch trough target to spread it? Like, is it intelligent and is applied to new mobs that doesn't have the bleeds already or could i be unlucky and refresh bleeds if i stay on the main target?

[balmy condor]

!carnage

[prisma monolith]

Indiscriminate Carnage Targetting and Swapping
TLDRMouseovers/Target swapping is optimal on 6 target, or 8+ targets, but not necessarily required

• The 2 Bleeds spread by carnage are smart and will prioritize mobs without the bleed. If everything already has bleeds it'll apply randomly
• You as the character are still casting the bleed against your target like normal, this is why people will sometimes use mouseover macros or swap targets

Swapping targets is situationally better, but can be ignored if you're having difficulties with it. Take 5 mob aoe as an example, your first garrote cast will apply to 3 targets (your target + 2 more). Regardless of if you swap or not, your second cast of garrote will hit your target, and then apply 2 more garrotes, prioritizing the mobs that do not have garrote. In very large aoe pulls (12 or more), a standard opener (garrote-garrote-rupture-rupture-garrote-garrote) will only apply 9 garrotes (3+2+2+2) and 5 ruptures (3+2) if you do not swap, losing you 3 garrotes and a rupture.

It is technically worse, but the situations in which you lose bleeds aren't very common; the lost ruptures/garrotes don't contribute much to your already flooded energy, you don't get additional scent of blood stacks, etc. The loss is purely the extra damage from those bleeds.

[subtle drift]

Ty

[indigo mulch]

wait they actually fixed CB

The hopium huffing wasen't all for naught

[rich dragon]

Bro I want fatebound to be op so bad lol coin tossing fantasy

[indigo mulch]

I don't care about the coins, i just want 1.5min cds. D:

I mean i guess its still awful on cleave 😐

[hoary remnant]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[indigo mulch]

[runic hinge]

More kb damage and coin damage means more spatter so maybe it’s not quite as bad

[indigo mulch]

I dunno, it still self nerfs itself

and coin damage dosen't count towards spatter right? Or maybe i'm huffing glue.

[runic hinge]

Coin damage definitely spatters

[indigo mulch]

That just shows you how much spatter+fatebound i've played.

[haughty flicker]

cosmic damage gaming

[rich dragon]

What is cosmic damage? Like is it a special type of damage does anything special?

I see it there but never figure it out

[buoyant herald]

It’s arcane/nature I think?

[worn badger]

its magical girl rogue powers

[buoyant herald]

Combined damage types now all have their own names

[haughty flicker]

its just a hodgepodge of magic types

[buoyant herald]

Spellfire is arcane/fire, plague is nature/shadow etc

[haughty flicker]

arcane nature and a few others even i think

but since its nature it spatters

op

[frozen glacier]

in the hypothetical scenario of fatebound being worth it does the rotation change much?

[marsh fjord]

I was looking at some reels on youtube and i just saw this picture

This is PTR btw

like a Week ago

[indigo mulch]

no i don't think so unless there are some major apl changes.

[buoyant herald]

Unlikely, FB is giga passive

No more dry shiv i guess if that counts

[marsh fjord]

You do play with improve garrote

But that might be changed. was just looking earlier at wowhead

[buoyant herald]

I mean sure, there could be changes from changing your spec tree

[marsh fjord]

but when i was looking at the opener it didnt say to refresh garrote

which was weird

oh it does but a bit later actually

[indigo mulch]

I'm guessing whispyr will finish the new guide in a couple of days.

We can read it then 😮

He also said he would deep dive into fatebound in a video if you don't want to read. So patience is a virtue!

[marsh fjord]

Yeah i know he said it in his earlier video where he is finishing some wowhead work

and after that he would make the video

[golden loom]

Okayyy atleast we get to play fatebound on 1 fight now

[indigo mulch]

I mean prob more than that tbh

first boss you could prob fatebound on tbh

There are only adds in the intermissions

and they are spread apart so they aren't really affected by the selfnerfing

i think

[marsh fjord]

I think most fights next tier has adds

[indigo mulch]

The spider thingie you can prob play fatebound at as well. There are no adds there other than the circles that spawns.

[rich dragon]

Fatebound op pog?

[indigo mulch]

I mean its still only 2 or maybe 3 bosses where you could play it lmao

[rich dragon]

I played like 4 class this season rogue is the only class being hero talent such one sided

Every other one I played switch atleast some cases

[golden loom]

Think Dark ranger for BM hunters was -30% in all content this season

[rich dragon]

lol

[indigo mulch]

But is fatebound even good on outlaw?

I think fatebound been dead for both outlaw and assa for like 2 raid tiers now, maybe even a third if it dosen't do good enough in omega

[golden loom]

Better ST and gets self nerfed in aoe just like assa

[indigo mulch]

Even with the buffs i still have my doubts that it will be playable in omega

Maybe if there are fights where its impossible to manage your mark with different adds? I dunno

[sour skiff]

like almost every fight?

[indigo mulch]

Yeah but in undermine those adds just died to passive cleave.

99% of them actually.

[rich dragon]

More buff lets pray

[sour skiff]

won't in mythic prog

[indigo mulch]

I mean most people outside of top100 never had to bother with the adds much. ;s

Everything got nerfed so fast after rwf and with the stacking damage buff, adds just became irrelevant really quickly and just became a cleave fest.

[sour skiff]

ok im talking mythic prog

after prog it doesnt matter

[indigo mulch]

?

I'm also talking about mythic prog.

[gaunt sigil]

We so back

[spice lagoon]

fdk is doomed

[sour skiff]

yes so in my mythic prog, deathstalker is maybe playable imo in like 3 fights, but no point in playing it if sub is just better or comparable. all the other fights switch targets or remove your current target etc

[haughty flicker]

just because there are adds doesnt mean you have to swap to them to do damage

on most of those fights you'll be able to cleave off boss and do perfectly fine

there are some where it could potentially be annoying though for sure

do dh boss and your marked target jumps to the other side of the map

[sour skiff]

forgeweaver force switches your target, soul hunter force switches your target, nexus king force switches your target, not even counting adds you need to switch to kill on any other fight

[haughty flicker]

forgeweaver and soul hunter could be annoying yeah, nexus king shouldnt be an issue

and the other fights you just cleave off boss

[sour skiff]

nexus king will be an issue

dragon spawns you lose mark

you go to ramp you need to kill adds lose mark

[haughty flicker]

if you struggle that much then dont play it

i dont think it will be nearly as bad as you make it out to be

[indigo mulch]

The guy wants to play what is the best. I suspect sub will be the best for almost all the fights so just play sub 😮

And that's fine as well

[sour skiff]

i will be playing sub probably, i was just saying, no deathstalker doesn't feel great in raid atm

[golden loom]

I mean a swap there doesnt sound bad, can just vanish

[sour skiff]

yes but you vanish for dragon then you go to platform after, so you need to juggle the mark again to platform and back down

[haughty flicker]

tbf i think nexus king is 100% a sub fight anyway, but not because of mark

they'll just do way better on platform than assa even assuming your mark is perfect, plus amp phase if it lines up properly

[sour skiff]

possibly, i only tested sub a little for it

[runic hinge]

Is it a timed thing? The platforms?

[uncut dragon]

Hey rogue friends. Had a hand injury probably going to need surgery. How bad is the one button rotation compared to a five finger symphony? can I get away with it in heroic raids or mid-tier m+?

I'd do the comparison myself but I don't have all 5 fingers at the moment

[main bridge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[haughty flicker]

afaik platform is timed and lines up well for sub, but the amp phase after is hp % based so that timing might get thrown off

but i wasnt able to test that boss so this is just what i watched

[main bridge]

wowhead shows the damage loss in those guides above

[runic hinge]

I mean if you know a phase is coming you can just hold DN

[haughty flicker]

we'll be playing fatebound anyway

[runic hinge]

Not saying it’s a perfect solution but I mean there’s more than just sending vanish

[haughty flicker]

coin gaming

[sour skiff]

yes you can, its totally doable. it just doesn't feel good and i don't think deathstalker is great

[runic hinge]

I mean I’m coin gaming every boss

(I’m not on rogue this tier)

[haughty flicker]

wtf

[runic hinge]

Deathstalker has pushed me away

[haughty flicker]

fair lmao

[tight ginkgo]

We're SO BACK

[haughty flicker]

there was a distinct possiblity i swapped this tier but the rogue trial we picked up just randomly left and i cant convince anyone else to swap

[runic hinge]

I am Aotc Andy anyways and my guild has 9 billion melee so I figured I’d get out of that cluster for a tier and see what midnight holds

I’ll be back on rogue by the .5 patch more than likely anyways

[uncut dragon]

one button keeps letting rupture and garote drop off for a second or 2 and doesn't factor in pandemic I think, messes with my ocd.

[main bridge]

OBR doesn't use cooldowns either

[uncut dragon]

just deathmark, I think?

[main bridge]

yes

not sure if it uses shiv but that's also important

[subtle tundra]

ahahahh

[runic hinge]

You wish you still played rogue

[subtle tundra]

laughing at the whole spec rn

[runic hinge]

Hehe

[proud salmon]

with current tuning is it the case where we will play one hero tree for the 1:30 profile and the other for the 2 min profile or is fatebound just better always atm?

[balmy condor]

neither

[subtle tundra]

with current tuning you play fatebound for the pure st and then ask for a discord stream

[balmy condor]

we'll play fatebound on maybe 2 fights

[proud salmon]

what;s the reasoning for the differnece atm?

i can also wait on your video 🫡

[balmy condor]

fatebound is giga omega dogshit the moment there's anything other than 1 target

[proud salmon]

ahh okay 💀

[balmy condor]

most fights have moments with more than 1 target

[proud salmon]

switching for the diff timings seemed so cool to me

[balmy condor]

there's no clear 1:30 fight currently

most damage amps seem to be 2:00

[amber blaze]

Are we Back?!

[rich dragon]

sub is pretty back idk about assa tho

[subtle tundra]

we are front

[misty holly]

Man when I saw the title to your video I was really hoping we saw a change to delivered doom and fate intertwined to help fix that multitarget problem.

[buoyant herald]

80% there

[spark rain]

Chat are we happy or still sad?

[balmy condor]

Honestly if they fixed both of those things it would still just be behind

Fixing those is a good step

But half of deathstalkers tree is deadass just aoe talents

You can’t compete with that

[buoyant herald]

i think we're pretty happy i mean. general buffs + some bug/dumb interaction fixes

[spark rain]

This is big for the rogue community

I just like how the top comment on Dratnos video is “wow the devs remembered rogues exist”

[red schooner]

Fatebound changes let's go

[prisma cypress]

where we going

[buoyant herald]

to the moon, obviously

[obtuse robin]

https://www.twitch.tv/zorthas/clip/AmorphousTalentedRavenGingerPower-Q-CkdQnk-91aCwYR?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time

[buoyant herald]

actual and factual

[red schooner]

I wake up and there's a new video for the pookies as asll

This is a good day

[runic hinge]

Wait the cold blood change is actually a nerf for me standing around with a blue hand in dornogal

[subtle tundra]

hahahahhahahah

[nova kelp]

TRUUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEE

COOLHAND MODE NERFED!

[rotund oak]

babe we coin flippin' at last

[grim jay]

Sounds like a con

[reef timber]

what bleeds do we track? newer to sin coming from outlaw

[zenith elm]

All of them

Even your menstrual cycle

(Cause apparently we are blizzard bitches)

[rotund oak]

we coinflippin

comfy life

im down

[balmy condor]

erm ACTUALLY

don't need to track bone spike and doomblade

[subtle tundra]

ahahHahahaha

[worn badger]

i track bonespike when im dead just to say im still contributing =/

[rotund oak]

the return of varas

as in the return of the king

[subtle tundra]

no...

but theres a chance

always is

[rotund oak]

why no..

yes always

[subtle tundra]

anyways

ahahahhahaha

[zenith elm]

Oh no i've been corrected by GOD himself

[urban anvil]

So m+ deathstalker builds have you guys played on ptr?

Which*

[balmy condor]

the 3 that we've been playing since dragonflight

[zenith elm]

Nooo dont trust him, trust Zeeros builds

He is always ahead of his time

[orchid pewter]

Zerros build is the best build

Fuck garrote

[zenith elm]

Garrote is for SIGMA

[orchid pewter]

Im cleave pilled

[balmy condor]

you're the reason envenom keeps getting a billion buffs every season

[orchid pewter]

Yes and i am happy

[bronze pike]

Fdk obliterating treatment

[red schooner]

I am a simple man, I bleed build

[obtuse robin]

does cold blood make all the kb hits crit?

[balmy condor]

it doesn't work on kingsbane

[obtuse robin]

why some ppl macroing it to kb

[balmy condor]

and with fatebound the hero talent explicitly states "only applies to envenom"

the timing

[obtuse robin]

ok i thought so

[balmy condor]

macroing to kingsbane just guarantees perfect timing every time

[obtuse robin]

oooooooooohh

i understand

ty

[runic hinge]

missed you

[thick zinc]

@balmy condor when can we expect video about fatebound and the new PTR changes in general?

:))

[zenith elm]

Whispyr helping everyone so that ass rogue pump and we cant sandbag it 😦

[balmy condor]

idk I'm aiming for the weekend

[thick zinc]

Can’t wait 🙂

[red schooner]

The pookies are eating good this week

[zenith elm]

Double vids of whispyr ?

[grim jay]

Im still debating if I play next season

[subtle tundra]

dont?

like me

prague will feel so much better knowing i could be playing wow

but i will be in prague

🐐

[grim jay]

Thinking about just becoming an m+ andy

So I can be the most based m+ andy there is

[subtle tundra]

sorry to burst your bubble

if you dont say slurs youre not a m+ andy

[graceful plinth]

Being an m+ andy is simply the most enjoyable way to play the game

the slurs are just the cherry on top

[orchid pewter]

Being a m+ andy without mythic raiding guild is misery though

[brazen pine]

Big Same

Also being an M+ Andy without a Mythic raid guild only sucks when it comes to trinkets.

[sharp viper]

priory trinket exists tho

[brazen pine]

I'm not saying it is impossible, I am just saying that's the time when it sucks the most.

Especially if the forge remains ridiculous this patch. At least it is only from boss 4 and not a super-rare marked item.

[sharp viper]

Fair

[onyx swift]

Are we meta now after yesterdays changes?

[haughty flicker]

my mom said we are yeah

[balmy condor]

impossible to know

[flat pier]

So Fatebound is our new tree ?

https://tenor.com/view/broad-city-ilana-wexler-screaming-yell-shouting-gif-463947102641666941

[balmy condor]

for some fights

it's possible

[flat pier]

Gross how dare they make me learn both tree's

[balmy condor]

there is legit nothing to learn with fatebound

[golden loom]

I guess we will probably treat vanish as a 3min cd and play VV on fateboundington

or is that fried

[flat pier]

[balmy condor]

current TCing says that's fried

but yeah, that's an idea