assassination

[haughty flicker]

i only need to do like 2 keys to get 3k and havent bothered

[thorn thorn]

Is it obvious I was phoning it in this season

[marsh fjord]

if you are EU i can help whenever bel

[jaunty sky]

I wanted to get triple threat i dont think i will tbh

No tanks are fun or interesting to me rn

[thorn thorn]

I wanted to do it too but desire to play this season 0

I been through like 3 guilds this season

Nightmare

[marsh fjord]

they added more tuning lol

https://www.wowhead.com/news/updated-patch-11-2-ptr-development-notes-now-includes-boomkin-and-windwalker-377886

[honest vector]

Was ww not looking good in raid?

[jaunty sky]

Yeah i stopped raiding with my current guild, got curve with a friend group instead

[jaunty sky]

Yes but m+

[honest vector]

Yea but we know they think of M+ as the secondary form of PvE content

[balmy condor]

reasonable numerical tuning that's happening here a week and a half out from the patch

152% is a super reasonable number

[marsh fjord]

this is the cloak reshi right?

[balmy condor]

yes

[jaunty sky]

Boomkin 8% dmg buff

[marsh fjord]

crazy 😄

[balmy condor]

slight adjustment

[marsh fjord]

that aint slight bro

😄

[honest vector]

Lol...

[balmy condor]

sure it is

[haughty flicker]

Cloak barely changed

[balmy condor]

it just depends on your scale

152% is slight if they could've buffed it by a billion%

[honest vector]

Yea they only needed to buff it by 152%. Honestly they were pretty close to proper tuning on that item before. That's a small number considering how much time we have until release

🙂

[balmy condor]

I'm sure everything will be tuned perfectly fine for release

they're not behind

[lean plover]

152% buff is in line with how they have worked with the seasonal items this xpansion

[thorn thorn]

Im sure we are about to have a perfectly normal season with absolutely nothing weird happening

[balmy condor]

yes yes

absurd to think otherwise

[honest vector]

They have a lot of time to fix fatebound as well

Oh sorry. I went too far

Apologies

[balmy condor]

if they can buff the cloak by 152% just imagine how large the fatebound buffs will be

[haughty flicker]

Good thing we have a heroic week to fix obvious outliers and issues

[jaunty sky]

Is 150% dmg buff on tails coin really gonna fix fatebound

[balmy condor]

true!

[balmy condor]

easily yes

that would be a 12% overall buff for fatebound

[jaunty sky]

Gotta get that outlaw nerf in, youd forget about it otherwise

[spice surge]

Deathstalker tierset clearly very balanced as well

Just 1/3 of a bunch of other specs tier values

[balmy condor]

says the trickster player

worry about your own numbers

I'm just gonna be out here copy pasting my season 2 guide

[spice surge]

Yeah same

[balmy condor]

guide due on friday and I'm not even stressed about it cause 90% of the work is already done from season 2

[snow hamlet]

[balmy condor]

and the bis lists are super easy too cause you just load up on cantrips

so based

[spice surge]

Theyll do 1000 last minute fixes

[balmy condor]

no they would never

far too busy with 11.2.5 on their internal dev servers

[thorn thorn]

[honest vector]

You could just change the 2 to 3 and change the bis list, right? W

We hate changes

[balmy condor]

dead serious, that is exactly what I'm going to do

we have a page for the tier set

I'm just replacing the descriptions

[spice surge]

Also i am worried about my own numbers, but my spells aint doing what the tooltip says and theyre not fixing any of it so

[honest vector]

xD love it

[balmy condor]

and then ctrl+f'ing season 2 to season 3

ctrl+f'ing 11.1 to 11.2

loading the bis list with special equip items, filling the rest with crit/mast or mast/haste

[spice surge]

We have advanced technology

[balmy condor]

and that's uh

the guide

[spice surge]

of @currentSeason and @currentPatch

So i dont even need to change

[balmy condor]

we have that too

but we don't use it much on the wow side

that's a diablo thing mostly

those macros are mostly used for like the headers/footers

like this is just a generic find replace template

that'll update automatically

[haughty flicker]

Updated the guide for you

[balmy condor]

what if I just +1 every number in the guide

and then call it a day

[spice surge]

Sounds like youre matching blizzards energy in regards to rogues

[jaunty sky]

22.2.8

[spice surge]

Good thing the patch is less than 2 weeks away, they have so much time left

[thorn thorn]

2

[royal lantern]

blizz is pooling

[visual sun]

3 vanish legooo, surely no more dn doomers cuz 3x chances - blizz prolly

[marsh fjord]

You guys reckon we are getting other dinar system next season

i wonder if they wanted it to stay

[royal lantern]

maybe?

[haughty flicker]

They said they liked how turbo boost worked out and dinars were a large part of that

So I'd be surprised if they don't come back

Not sure how I feel about being artificially made to farm dungeons halfway through a patch but anything for engagement metrics

And makes ce easier for shitters like me

[nova oxide]

No point in pushing keys until turbo boost.

[runic hinge]

I think tbh they like the engagement but they also probably like soft nerfing bosses that way instead of patch note nerfing them instead

[marsh fjord]

at that point with a half decent group or friends you already done all 12's

[haughty flicker]

I actually want to see if this tier even had fewer boss nerfs than normal

Bc I don't feel like it did

But I also don't feel like looking it up myself

[runic hinge]

I think it had less end of tier % damage and health nerfs

[haughty flicker]

Fewer late in the tier maybe yeah

[runic hinge]

But the mechanics at the start that rwf deal with I’m sure still got nerfed

[haughty flicker]

Probably still accomplished the goal with stacking raid buff and turbo boost

Just shitty start

[hallow glade]

They did some odd nerfs to last 2 just before hof closed

Like gallywix nerfs for some reason? Not sure why they did that

[jovial adder]

Is Rogue the black sheep? lol

[marsh fjord]

nah thats hunters

[vale shore]

always has been

[jovial adder]

Ya I'm about to go on reddit and advocate for the hunters

[wooden radish]

They used up all their rogue energy making new killing spree

No energy left for anything else for rogues

[pliant remnant]

What's a rogue?

[haughty flicker]

They put all the rogue changes in under rouge and they got lost due to the typo

Unlucky

[humble verge]

@balmy condor can you tell me what in the fuck is "discipline IT leader" supposed to mean

[thorn thorn]

HUNTERS GOT CHANGES

[marsh fjord]

yeah i asw

[thorn thorn]

otherwise they would be

[marsh fjord]

saw*

[thorn thorn]

Is ok tho

We just avoided tuning for better or worse

[marsh fjord]

second boss damage

balanced

[humble verge]

surely

[thorn thorn]

Bro hasnt seem demo yet

[humble verge]

they wont get nerfed

[thorn thorn]

Who is gonna tell him chat

[marsh fjord]

oh i've seen demo

tuning is fucking horrible atm

[thorn thorn]

Nonsense

We just got a 152% buff to our artifact item

Tuning is in a very normal, very reasonable spot

[marsh fjord]

XD

[thorn thorn]

And anybody who says otherwise is an enemy of the state

[marsh fjord]

XD

[humble verge]

wtf andrew garfield is 41, almost 42

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116

[humble verge]

WHAT TOBEY MAGUIRE IS 50*

dawg doesnt look that older than garfield

[marsh fjord]

does anyone remember the movie saving private ryan

banger

[humble verge]

what about it

[marsh fjord]

its a banger

[humble verge]

yeah

[marsh fjord]

@raw marlin

[marsh fjord]

no way im clicking a dark video XD

thats

[craggy crown]

What's up with my quick sim being way off from what single target numbers im actually pulling on a dummy, getting about 5-700k more on single target dps than what my quick sim is reading. AOE quick sim seems to be accurate from what I can tell though.

[polar rampart]

perma execute?

[balmy condor]

sounds like either perma execute or bad talents

[craggy crown]

perma execute? Could you explain what you mean by that?

[polar rampart]

dummy is low health and triggers your execute damage amp, and just stays low health and doesn't die

[marsh fjord]

35% more damage on bleeds?

blindside triggering more in execute?

Assassination rogue does extremely good damage below 35%

[haughty flicker]

the dummy is always at low hp so you're permanently getting execute benefits

surely someday they fix that

surely

if only we had some type of instanced location you could go and actually practice your class

they could call it something cool

like proving grounds

maybe even add in some small challenges or something too

[craggy crown]

They outta hire you!

[marsh fjord]

Im asking for a practice tool for years now

[haughty flicker]

they're too afraid to add it because they know they'll fuck it up and people will abuse it somehow

[marsh fjord]

if diablo 4 can add one wow can

But they rather have housing bro XD

[haughty flicker]

i'd rather have housing too housing op as fuck

i'll go full casual back to my halfhill roots

give me a dog and a farm

[marsh fjord]

i feel like all content updates are just catered to the casual playerbase

[haughty flicker]

for my house on a hill

well yeah the casual playerbase is like 90%+ of the playerbase

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-sweet-trouble-gif-26762341

[haughty flicker]

i stand in solidarity with the mole people

https://tenor.com/view/monty-mole-gaming-happy-belly-gif-16335217

[thorn thorn]

Not exclusively but recent additions are pretty well tailored to them

[marsh fjord]

yup

[thorn thorn]

If hunters cant display some of their pets then we riot

[marsh fjord]

Every expansion they have like this new feature and midnight is gonna have housing. nothing combat related

[haughty flicker]

i want battle pets running around my house

let arfus free

[thorn thorn]

The raid buff was a pretty neat idea but personally im not a big fan of it

It just makes farm and reclears even more boring than they already are

[marsh fjord]

i dont mind that. but if we keep the same hero talents and just get housing in a new expansion. i dont think that will get recieved well

but thats just speculation atm

[thorn thorn]

If the level cap is increased and we get no new talents or anything to play with the ultra casuals will riot

[haughty flicker]

i mean when is the expansion "feature" ever not casual related tbf

[thorn thorn]

Its pretty rare we get an expansion feature that isnt combat related

[haughty flicker]

hero talents are just reskins of us getting a new talent row so i wouldnt really count them

[marsh fjord]

this.

[haughty flicker]

delves are "combat"

[thorn thorn]

They count more than housing does

[marsh fjord]

i count hero talents more then housing

SL we had covenants

[haughty flicker]

but we're also getting hero talents in midnight

[thorn thorn]

I dont trust blizzard to not botch this

[marsh fjord]

legion we had artifacts

[thorn thorn]

Im expecting some silly shit like the garrisons with that stupid mission table

[haughty flicker]

artifacts and class halls were 100% aimed towards casuals

[marsh fjord]

people i spoke to and tested housing said it was really good. and almost impossible to fuck up.

[haughty flicker]

that wanted ashbringer on their paladin

[haughty flicker]

ive heard a lot of really good things

[marsh fjord]

but i just dont want it as a expansion feature.

[haughty flicker]

but it is blizzard so who knows how it actually goes

[thorn thorn]

Is that true? I havent heard any confirmation on this

[marsh fjord]

Yeah hero talents are here to stay

it's a green addition

[haughty flicker]

i mean the whole marketing campaign around hero talents was that they were "evergreen"

[thorn thorn]

Well yea I knew that

I dont think thats what he meant

[haughty flicker]

so unless they just immediately change their mind, yeah we're getting hero talents

unless you think we just arent getting any talent or hero talent additions at all

[marsh fjord]

If you go into midnight with just hero talents and housing. what's new?

[thorn thorn]

More hero talents or extensions to them prolly

[haughty flicker]

we'll learn more at gamescon i guess

[marsh fjord]

i do think that the cinematic for midnight is gonna be a banger.

[haughty flicker]

but they intentionally moved away from the type of thing you're asking for because people complained about borrowed power

[marsh fjord]

and people will get hyped anyway

[haughty flicker]

cinematics are always bangers

wow art team carries

[marsh fjord]

I understand that. but they can give us more evergreen stuff right?

[haughty flicker]

i'd much rather them fix the mess of shit they've added

[marsh fjord]

Yeah me to. but they can fix + add new stuff

they are blizzard

they are massive.

[haughty flicker]

if they did an expansion with literally 0 new additions and just fixed stuff i'd love that

[haughty flicker]

they're a small indie company

smol tiny family owned indie company

ion does his best for you and this is how you react

smh

[marsh fjord]

My friend thinks that they will add the new DH Spec tied to midnight and if you pre-order it you can play it.

[haughty flicker]

dh spec in prepatch only if you preorder would be so funny

now i pray for that too

[thorn thorn]

I hope dh doesnt get a new spec simply because im a hater and it would be funny as hell

After all this time DH thinks they get a new spec, void meta icon is datamined

Sike

Good luck next time fuckers

[haughty flicker]

its actually a new spec for warlock

[thorn thorn]

I like that idea more

[haughty flicker]

maybe thats the midnight reveal

new support specs for everyone

rogue gets bard spec

uh

i cant think of any more supports for some reason

too tired

[main bridge]

ranged DH support throwing buff glaives

[marsh fjord]

You guys are diabolic cooking at the moment

[thorn thorn]

Rogue gets bard, Warrior gets SL banner, priest gets PI; the spec, Hunter gets ranged survival

[haughty flicker]

oh actually

good point on warrior

it could be like battlemaster in dnd

you have a bunch of manouvers to buff allies or debuff enemies

[thorn thorn]

Yes correct

every spec except dk has enough built in flavor for a support spec to exist and the reason I know this was after aug released there was a very long and exhausting debate about how it would work with the other classes

Warrior gets SL banner, Shaman gets vesper totem on roids, etc

[marsh fjord]

We dont need more specs

they cant tune anything already XD

[thorn thorn]

Correct we dont need more rogue specs

Cuz they dont give a shit about rogue

Now a 4th spec for mage

That we could do

[haughty flicker]

mage tank when

[marsh fjord]

i think you guys need to get timed out for a few minutes

hahahaha

[thorn thorn]

No im cooking bro

Mage healer

[haughty flicker]

ok but cloth tank goes hard

[thorn thorn]

It works

And mage tank

[marsh fjord]

You're cooking without a pot at the moment

[thorn thorn]

4th and 5th spec for mage

[haughty flicker]

actually make disc a tank

it didnt work as a shield healer but now it can be a shield/barrier tank

[marsh fjord]

thats just warrior with ignore pain

[haughty flicker]

im sure they can make it unique

more unique than pwar and ppal just being shield guy and shiny shield guy

[thorn thorn]

Can we just delete disc actually

They cant decide on shield healing or damage healing

[haughty flicker]

well thats the great part, this does functionally delete them

[thorn thorn]

I guess

[humble verge]

lads

what am i getting for dinner tomorrow

[main bridge]

korean bbq

[humble verge]

we dont have that here

[main bridge]

unlucky

[frank trench]

Turbo boost was great it kept me playing waaaaaaaaaaay longer than usual. It also got my friend who is hardcore casual his mythic gallywix kill they one night a week mythic raid and usually either barely down final boss or get stuck right at end of season

It also makes playing alts way less crappy

[thorn thorn]

Pasta

[frank trench]

Has anyone played bleed build on ptr?

[runic hinge]

Chicken pot pie

[high cloak]

Is there a way to get Crimson Tempest to show up on Plater?

[main bridge]

pretty sure it does by default and whatever profile you are using is what's changing it

[haughty flicker]

make sure its not blacklisted

somewhere in buffs/debuffs settings

[high cloak]

This is what I get when manually adding it

Blacklist is cleared. Manually adding doesn't find the spell at all.

[balmy condor]

how exactly are you adding it

[balmy condor]

are you trying to add it by ID or something

hm

yeh dunno

[high cloak]

Reinstalled Plater and reset profile to default got rid of whatever was making it unable to read that spell.

[rich dragon]

We got no changes

Seriously

Are we like the perfect class right now? The perfection

[thorn thorn]

Yup

Perfection

No tuning needed

[snow hamlet]

[viscid spear]

Isn't Rogue one of the classes that get tuned the least

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/carisibot-sonny-carisi-perfection-gif-22919245

[humble verge]

yall have some boring ass saturday meal suggestions

[thorn thorn]

Birria tacos

[keen spruce]

[runic hinge]

[haughty flicker]

deez

[rancid wind]

Does Atrophic Poison stack with multiple rogues?

[balmy condor]

yes

[rancid wind]

How does it stack? is it just 3+3=6% reduced damage ?

or is it 97% of 97%

[rich dragon]

wait actually?

[balmy condor]

this

[rancid wind]

thats what I assumed

[balmy condor]

first is 3% of 100, then 3% of that, then 3% of that, etc etc

3.6% technically cause the talent

but same math

[humble verge]

dont think we have that here

[balmy condor]

yes

[humble verge]

were not that multicultured where i live

[rich dragon]

Sorry stupid question to ask, is atrophic poison reduce on all the damage the target deals? Like even include the boss’ adds?

[haughty flicker]

well if its an add you need to have the poison on the add

[fallow canopy]

enviroment damage is weird and it does not get reduced

[haughty flicker]

and environmental damage doesnt work

[fallow canopy]

but if it is damage that comes from the target it does yes

[balmy condor]

anything that can be poisoned will be reduced

[haughty flicker]

but if its damage that is attributed to a target that has poison on it then the poison will reduce it

[waxen oyster]

atrophic is just how we cope

and justify we're needed in raid

[balmy condor]

yeah atrophic stacking is SO INSAAAAAAAAANE HOLYYYYYYYYYYYYY WHAT AN OVERSIGHT FROM BLIZZARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

only 1 rogue in RWF

[haughty flicker]

i mean ive seen atro reduce more damage than devo so its definitely not bad

but yeah the stacking is just a meme

[balmy condor]

it's not that it's bad

atrophic is good

[waxen oyster]

idk why warriors always complain

[balmy condor]

it's just unnecessary

[waxen oyster]

one of their specs is always good

in raid

[haughty flicker]

Dks complaining they need a raid buff to be brought to raid meanwhile unholy alone has as many parses as all 3 rogue specs combined

[unreal tide]

cuz it's normally prot

[waxen oyster]

nah it hasnt been prot always

[balmy condor]

prot in raid kinda meme, no?

[waxen oyster]

this tier was weird with how shield block kind of negates gally's egocheck

entirely

[balmy condor]

yah I mean aside from cheese

[waxen oyster]

they're usually not a default tank spec in raid

unless you got a prot otp

[visual sun]

why do some fotm enjoyers preach a random streamer class tier list as gospel

and when i join their keys, they are fighting for 2nd place

[waxen oyster]

because they're bad at the game

[main bridge]

everybody knows tier lists are factual and true

[waxen oyster]

do you expect people to realize they're the problem

and be accountable

[visual sun]

and then mid season, reroll to another class

[balmy condor]

very few people are actually capable of being fotm rerollers

[visual sun]

kinda aids

[balmy condor]

like 95% of fotm rerollers are just dumbasses that think they're getting an edge because they rerolled

[waxen oyster]

well whispyr they think

its the class issue

or spec

not them

[balmy condor]

yeh

[visual sun]

can you pin that please, gonna be a while until we see rogue changes iether way

[waxen oyster]

or they are minigame players

who treat m+ like league solo q

My other source of entertainment is playing tank in classic dungeons and being top dps

[haughty flicker]

That's why I only play rogue

[waxen oyster]

someone called me a retail andy btw

[haughty flicker]

That way I can always say class issue

[waxen oyster]

as if people didnt gigapull in dungeons

in mop

[haughty flicker]

And can come to this discord whenever I want to embrace the dooming and validate myself

[waxen oyster]

i play dh to ask myself

why most people suck ass at this class

[proper cosmos]

Next Rogue tuning in 11.2.5 +5% all dmg

[waxen oyster]

"is assa/outlaw/sub viable for mythic raid? wr 1000 guild btw"

[spice sentinel]

some 2k io guy made a tier list based off of wowhead and now ill never get group invites 🥺

[haughty flicker]

I just don't get invited because nobody likes me

[waxen oyster]

same people who adhere to tierlists

[haughty flicker]

[waxen oyster]

are fighting with me on dps when im playing tank

[rain mortar]

I just want to point out… no one in world rank 1000 guilds is saying that haha. Those are still CE players. It’s the people who are like 2/8 mythic guild at the end of a tier saying “is rogue viable for mythic gally!?!”

[waxen oyster]

Idk there's been multiple people who ask what spec

when they're doing gally in like june

[rain mortar]

Legit CE raiders? That’s wild.

[waxen oyster]

Idk late CE

is kind of free

[rain mortar]

I mean, those players all still know how to at least look at Warcraft logs you would think

[haughty flicker]

If I can get ce anyone can

Especially with turbo boost and rep buffs

[waxen oyster]

Most people dont know how to use wcl properly

they look at the parse number

and thats it

[still steppe]

true

[waxen oyster]

if someone genuinely watches wow content creators

outside of boss guides

you have issues

[haughty flicker]

My warlocks playing demo on stix because it parsed highest and then proceeding to do less damage to bombshells above 80% hp than melee

[waxen oyster]

stix was when i realized some boomkins

dont know how to press starfall

[main bridge]

you're missing out on a lot of good content with this ridiculous belief

[haughty flicker]

I swapped to boomkin for that fight and was doing twice the damage to bombshells as our actual boomkin for most of prog

He eventually got the hang of it but it was a bit unfortunate

Also idk wow content kind of sucks

I don't think you have issues if you watch it though that's a bit extreme

[waxen oyster]

idk my yt is animal cafes

or cooking

[radiant snow]

Is it looking like a sub summer?

[waxen oyster]

both gear about the same

[raw marlin]

sup

[static glacier]

I knew watching Whispyr would have consequences 😔

[nocturne quail]

yo whats the deal with spatter tooltip ? its not just nature dam or something

[static glacier]

I think there’s something fundamentally off about how boomie players approach fights where starfall is insane, I’ve figured that one’s doing meh damage just don’t pool astral power for 2-3 starfall immediately prior to add spawns

[static glacier]

It is most inherent nature dmg to our class

[nocturne quail]

no bleed dam tho right

[static glacier]

Eg it would work on envenom, weapon poisons while it would not work on stuff like stix magnet trinket dmg

[nocturne quail]

i just remember someone saying the tool tip was misleading or something

yeah make sense

[static glacier]

Despite it being technically nature dmg (plague = nature / shadow)

[static glacier]

Tooltips in general are atrocious

[nocturne quail]

yeah facts

[static glacier]

For specific number accuracy

[zenith elm]

Best part of my day

And, Good morning Fellow rogues

[worthy rose]

Are we talking about raiding players and the general player base

A solid 80% could do better just blindly following hekili or blizzards one button 😂

[subtle tundra]

nice rogue chances losers

everyone getting changes except you

[marsh fjord]

Changes *

[subtle tundra]

you owned me

[marsh fjord]

Sit

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[runic hinge]

i hope you never change

[subtle tundra]

well sorry to say but i do have to change my underwear every week or so

[zenith elm]

Nah mate, you're losing potential

Every month at the very least not beforr

Before*

[waxen oyster]

hold on chat

[haughty flicker]

After a certain point you can't get any dirtier so why bother

[waxen oyster]

mystic touch is dropping heat

granted idk how i'd feel going from one blizz adopted stepchild

to another

windwanker is probably second most ignored spec

[static glacier]

Bruh this guy went ww 1 season

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-vii-remake-cloud-strife-tifa-lockhart-aerith-gainsborough-cloti-gif-27060423

[static glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/euu-gif-25682408

[royal lantern]

*3rd

Brewmaster exists

[spice surge]

Ww did get an aura buff now so

Clearly not ignored /s

[royal lantern]

time for another Dark Ranger revamp then

[worthy fable]

Yo! Has anyone created a BiS list or something similar for season 3?

[normal mist]

That doesn't exist

www.raidbots.com

The only thing that can be listed bis are special items / trinkets

[pliant remnant]

But how do I know what to farm two weeks before season starts then HUH FLUX?

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/you-don't-invincible-omni-man-jk-simmons-that's-the-neat-thing-gif-4390372980992221432

[pliant remnant]

[worthy fable]

I mean surely you can?

[normal mist]

Are there special items? Like the boots and ring? Then yeah you want those for sure

[spice surge]

Yes but theres practically no difference for items besides those royal mentioned

[pliant remnant]

You might also want at least four tier set pieces.

Two daggers maybe.

[spice surge]

Like if 4 bracers all sim the exact same

The bis list is gonna pick one at random

[pliant remnant]

Where's that Whispyr video where he shows all the margin of error options

[spice surge]

And youd be doing yourself a disservice farming only those instead of trying go get either of the 4

[worthy fable]

Thats true

[balmy condor]

Off-items are completely irrelevant for bis

Hell, even the tier slots don’t matter

If you have 4/5 tier slots it really doesn’t matter which slot is missing

You’ll find something that fits

Or wear all 5

[hoary remnant]

Bis is a meme for any decent prog just nice to know what to aim for

[balmy condor]

That’s chill too

[pliant remnant]

If you just wanna know what to farm for trinkets, Floodgate, Priory and Dawnbreaker are probably pretty safe spots to park in

[balmy condor]

Is this where I reveal that 0 trinket tuning has occurred

[spice surge]

Neither of those dungeons drop the forge trinket

[balmy condor]

[pliant remnant]

[balmy condor]

But fatebound is 1:30 eleem

Or 1:45

Or 1:50

Or whatever

[spice surge]

So youll be stealing my netherprism

[hoary remnant]

fatebound again sim bait. Although fractilus? No play their?

[spice surge]

Is that what im hearing

[balmy condor]

Forget sim bait

Fatebound is ragebait

That shit is simply not playable

Idc how high it sims

[snow hamlet]

[spice surge]

"hhhhhhey guys, cccan you kill the adds pls? My damage goes down while adds are up please kill them"

[balmy condor]

On mythic testing fractilus if you send on cd on fatebound your shit ends up in the middle of a wall break -> spread

Cause you’re on legit like a fucking 1:47 timer

[royal lantern]

fate was not on your side

[hoary remnant]

really? Just gameplay? I mean if the numbers are so far ahead gameplay because irrelvant during prog

[balmy condor]

Yes really

It’s a 1:30 spec where the requirements to burst are not available in 1:30

[red schooner]

Did they at least fix the kingsbane buff expiring bug?

Please

[balmy condor]

Like it just functionally does not work

[red schooner]

[balmy condor]

The deathstalker set is undertuned to shit and playing fatebound is like rubbing your bare ballsack over a cheese grater

Take your pick

[spice surge]

Do i get to pick which side of the grater

[balmy condor]

That’s a lot of words to spell Maplestory

[royal lantern]

the single big one for stripes

[pliant remnant]

Or can you just rub your ballsack with your hands but just...while it's hovering over a cheese grater?

That seems kinda nice actually

[red schooner]

I never played it but new games take a lot for me to get into. I've at least played ff14 before.

[scarlet orbit]

how are the chances that tww is over and fatebound will never be played at all?

[balmy condor]

It’s this and you gotta lower one nut into it at a time

[balmy condor]

Insanely high

[scarlet orbit]

[amber brook]

Fated to fail

[balmy condor]

Like at this point if there’s no shakeup for season 4

It’s like 95%

[amber brook]

Bound by failure

[red schooner]

I thought we weren't getting a season 4

[balmy condor]

Idk

[red schooner]

It was just midnight after this season

[royal lantern]

there isnt gonna be a S4 i think?

[balmy condor]

Blizzard wouldn’t lie

It’s just going to be super turbo boost extreme disco belt-o-rama circlet of doom and agony

[royal lantern]

+legion remix

[spice surge]

They could just do what they did to sub deathstalker in s1, buff the fuck out of it without fixing any issues. Like +50% coin damage

[royal lantern]

(where they had to ask what rewards people want lol)

[red schooner]

Waiting for the patch where every item we equip is mid season boost items + tier set

Make it happen

[balmy condor]

Season 4 is just season 3 after 12% of rep buff and 20% of boss nerfs and 15% of random fuckass borrowed power and 10% power creep from leveling the cloak

[red schooner]

Easiest bis list of your life

[royal lantern]

where is the 3% shoulder enchant?

[balmy condor]

We were killing first boss in 4 minutes during mythic testing btw

In champ track gear

[red schooner]

what shoulder enchant? Is echoing shoulder still bugged?

[balmy condor]

Surely that’s going to be fine in like November

[vestal cliff]

how far did you get on nexus king

[balmy condor]

We saw the end of p1

[vestal cliff]

sick, this boss will slap so hard in the RWF

[balmy condor]

Not that it matters cause that fight will not exist in that way

[vestal cliff]

probably yes

[balmy condor]

Even if that version survives until RWF the boss will be absolutely gutted by the time any reasonable guild gets there

[royal lantern]

who tf cares about RWF, i want decent fights lol

not w/e bullshit they cook up and then gets 300% nerfs cus nobody can clear it

[balmy condor]

It’s just tindral again but the fight looks cool

[vestal cliff]

decent fights are a big no no for blizzy, same with hero talents #fixFatebound

[balmy condor]

One person moves a half second slow and then all of a sudden 12 people are stuck in a leg sweep and the healer is spell locked from a kick so you just wipe and go next

Good design tbh

[pliant remnant]

Cheese grater my beloved

[balmy condor]

Definitely not annoying to have to untalent aoe blind every time you get to the boss

[royal lantern]

"we want to move away from fights where a single player doing a minor mistake immediatly wipes the raid"

they say that for years now btw

[balmy condor]

Yeah

You get mind controlled it’s not an immediate wipe

It just happens that you get mind controlled and full cp kidney shot the resto druid mid ramp

[vestal cliff]

that is really funny

[scarlet orbit]

I still firmly believe mechanics that not instant implode the whole raid but still are 100% wipes are worse because so many players i played with where not able to make the connection between an error 3 seconds before wiping

[balmy condor]

It’s even worse than that, the tank combo is two soaks and two big 180 degree sweeps, but they go out in any order

So on one of the pulls it was sweep soak sweep soak

Sweep, fine. Soak, fine.

sweep 2 clips a mage

Groups 3 and 4 running to stack for soak2

Except hold on, mage “died” from the sweep

So they’re mind controlled

Fucking dragons breath the entire group running to the soak

[red schooner]

Mages don't have minds, this is a lie

[balmy condor]

6 people don’t get in

[vestal cliff]

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[red schooner]

How do you control what doesn't exist

[golden loom]

[balmy condor]

And it’s insta wipe

[vestal cliff]

i love it

[balmy condor]

One of the healers said I hit an aoe blind which interrupted 3 healer casts

And then I step kidney’d the priest immediately after

Like I’d rather just fucking die if I die

Why am I getting mind controlled and then pvp’ing my entire raid

[red schooner]

Spec into bleed build, sudden demise your raid.

[golden loom]

finally a pvp update

[vestal cliff]

vanish before death so you get everyone with IC

[spice surge]

Just have a specific talent build for that boss where nobody specs their aoe CC

[golden loom]

imagine pvp talents worked and duel was still in the game

[red schooner]

Just need your boomkin to ursols + typhoon your entire raid into a frontal

[golden loom]

"wtf our main tank just got shadow dueld by our rogue"

[red schooner]

Druid gets mind controlled, casts teleport moonglade

[golden loom]

in my hc classic guild we lost one of our main paladin healers to first boss in AQ40, as it mindcontrolled him and cast blessing of sacrifice on the boss -> which everyone was hitting so it just killed him

[royal lantern]

reminds me of that time when vulpera just released

and when they got mindcontrolled used Return to Camp

[red schooner]

[split cipher]

Late to party, don't know if it's been said but the necrolord hearthstone wasn't blacklisted on mc, my healer hearthed a key once because of it

[coral ibex]

“i got mc’d sorry i hearthed ill catch you guys next week”

[warm vortex]

Tbh

I remember doing mop remix or smth
Doing sha of anger, and it deciding the most important spell for me to cast when MCed was the one that swaps flight styles

[static glacier]

I still remember getting knocked up by a flame shock pvp talent on neltharion.

And yes, we were told to not cleave but mr shaman wanted funnel

[viscid spear]

Ever get MCd and it makes you do Killing Spree and you fall through the world?

[warm vortex]

Every time i hear killing spree, that's one of the two clips that comes to mind

the other is the one on sprocket

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741275386188529734/1372656620034592869/3882ade1b2e0cab5893c24ec180af244.gif?ex=6885d4d8&is=68848358&hm=2bc3b6c1d0a4aabe1c0b5822c977540622ce04b39cab83f8727fe9e9b2d3d65e&

[pliant remnant]

Good times

Straight into the mine

[peak lake]

This is a great patchnote 😮

[pliant remnant]

They remembered we exist

[lean plover]

They mentioned every class but rogue didnt they?

[pure moth]

We just got 2 rounds of buffs. They are going to be making changes for another few weeks.

[lean plover]

I only wanted assa tier buff, ks durstion and some sub bugfixes

[scarlet orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-daring-today-spongebob-spongebob-meme-daring-today-arent-we-gif-23808696

[pliant remnant]

Yeah nah that's not happening

Maaaybe the first one, but even then

[lean plover]

Idk they arent crazy requests i think

[wide atlas]

hello guys

What items should I equip in the ptr to test m+?

[pure moth]

just copy your character from live and youre fine

[wide atlas]

ty

[wooden silo]

I wish Blizzard would at least try to make Fatebound a choice instead of DOA.

I think Outlaw plays it sometimes?

[hearty seal]

no worries
we'll have to play Fatebound next expac once it's buffed to shit

for the entire expac

[ocean quiver]

myth test pilot and myth undercircuit racing flag, crit haste leech

test pilot dps loss sheesh

[vocal cradle]

@balmy condor any idea when jasters will get replaced in s3?

[coral ibex]

when you get a ring with high enough item level that the sim says to replace it

guaranteed

that's when you'll replace it

jastor is strong because the stat allocation is much higher than the item level should give

https://tenor.com/view/noahnoah-gif-15569947813902812404

[vocal cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-laptop-drake-gif-21716481

[dusky minnow]

question please. is caustic spatter still not working on gally adds?

[red schooner]

#assassination message

It works but that post will explain it better than I can

[pliant remnant]

This is giving me Nerubar Palace logs vibes from yesterday

[bronze plover]

HI is there any bug here ? or is it possible to cast ambush and mutilate at the same time?

[main bridge]

maybe that's a Blindside proc?

[cerulean walrus]

That is a Blindside proc

[spice surge]

You are not casting them at the same time, its just an ambush with blindside up that gets displayed oddly

(because blindside transforms your mutilate to ambush while its up)

[lime onyx]

Hey there! New to rogue and I’m going to be CE raiding on it. I have a few questions I’d appreciate some answers on.
1: Assassination seems to be the highest performing raid spec based on what I’ve heard, does this seem to be the case for S3?
2: Do I use kingsbane and death mark at the same time when they’re both up or save one for after the other?
3: How do you deal with multi-dotting a bunch of mobs? Right now I’m tab targeting but it feels like I’m missing something.
Thanks in advance! 🙂

[pure moth]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[red schooner]

1. We ain't sure really, there's still tuning to go
2. For raiding, your basic cooldown usage is deathmark -> shiv -> kingsbane -> normal rotation -> shiv when there's 8 seconds left on kingsbane
3. In raids I normally just tab target then tab back to boss and it works fine.

For point 2 - That may change slightly given the tier set changes but thats the general gist of it

[spice surge]

The tierset doesnt change it, you just end up with a few extra seconds of shiv after DM ends

[red schooner]

Sweet, wasn't sure so I wanted to add that clarification!

[golden loom]

I guess only thing tierset does is make it so its less bad to fumble globals and shiv before deathmark

[spice surge]

Ye

Tbf maybe bleed likes having it up for all of DM, but i dont know if its been checked

Raid build was still better to just do it like before atleast

[lime onyx]

How good is the hekili APL to help me practice the rotation and proper cd usage?

[pure moth]

its very bad

[main bridge]

you're actually training yourself to do what it says rather than learning to the spec

so if it ever broke or you didn't have it, you'd just be clueless

[pure moth]

thats why its good to read the guide and get a good foundation. then come back and ask questions for contextual things.

[red schooner]

Also sin in raids isn't too bad, just practice on a dummy for a bit and you can nail the basics down relatively quickly.

[tender ember]

could someone pls share plater profile for rogue? i only want to see my bleeds such as garrote, big bleed and aoe bleed. and i have no idea how to do it

[pure moth]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[humble verge]

finally i can do some damage

[gaunt sigil]

Huge, I just renewed my subscription since early Season 1 and I forgot I had spymasters on my rogue until I pressed DM and a huge WA appeared on my screen saying “JUMP 3 TIMES”

[humble verge]

:D

but you mean transmitter

not spymaster

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah that’s what I meant mb

[humble verge]

kekw

[gaunt sigil]

[humble verge]

JUUUUGE ring

[iron carbon]

You can blacklist the debuffs you don' want to see

Here, for exemple

[buoyant herald]

Just gonna pipe up to say that the APL Hekili uses is what the sims use so it’s actually as good as it could possibly get (outside of contextual things like holding cooldowns for an upcoming damage amp or add spawn)

The question of whether it’s good to learn with is another thing entirely

[gaunt sigil]

Honestly my opinion on hekili is that as long as it doesn’t distract you from mechanics is okay to use especially if you are new to a spec. I used it to learn frost mage and eventually I didn’t need it anymore but I hate it on specs I am skilled at and play well.

It got me used to my Keybinds very quickly and made that whole process much easier.

[normal mist]

1 button rotation op

Can't be distracted that way

[gaunt sigil]

Real

Okay but what was it Season 3 DF fury warrior you could literally macro your rotational abilities to play the spec optimally

All you had to do otherwise was press recklessness, avatar, and Odyns fury

[buoyant herald]

I agree, great on a brand new spec to get a feel for the flow, how often you press what to help with binds etc

[normal mist]

Yeah but the gcd penalty hurts me

Oh df

Nvm

Also hekili doesn't really explain why you're pressing those abilities, so you're just pressing what lights up

At that point play ret paladin

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah it was like
/cast Bloodbath
/cast Rampage
/cast Bloodthirst

[buoyant herald]

True and real

[lean plover]

i dont line hekili for that reason

i need to know why im pressing stuff

[gaunt sigil]

Just macrod that to your fav button and you were optimally playing fury

[normal mist]

EXACTLY

[lean plover]

i read guides and read discord channels

[gaunt sigil]

That is definitely the biggest downside to hekili

[lean plover]

when i started playing assa and sub this discord was a huuuge time saver

[normal mist]

I'm not hating hekili because of what it does, but because of why people think they are using it

[lean plover]

also whispyr guides were on point

[buoyant herald]

Ultimately Hekili is a tool and as with any other tool, if you use for things outside of its purpose then you’re going to get consequences

[gaunt sigil]

Exactly

[buoyant herald]

I don’t get mad at a hammer when I smash a window trying to squash a fly that’s landed on it

[lean plover]

And when i started plsying sub i just repeated my opener for 5 hours on training dummies or so

[gaunt sigil]

Lmao

[normal mist]

A guy that uses hekili and tells me "I'm using it to learn my spec" is really delusional. He's lying to himself

[gaunt sigil]

I’ll admit I used hekili when my Raid leader made me swap to sub for M fyrakk

[lean plover]

you use hekili to not bother with the spec interactions without sacrificing too much dps

[buoyant herald]

You use Hekili for whatever purpose you want it for, that’s not going to be the same for everyone

[normal mist]

I can only play assassination properly, but I know what I'm doing with every single click I do

[gaunt sigil]

Same

[normal mist]

I can't do that with outlaw or sub

[gaunt sigil]

Outlaw is mashing hell imo

I can’t play it for shit

[normal mist]

I only played HO outlaw, found it fun, but way to fast

[gaunt sigil]

I was pretty good at classic rogue

[normal mist]

Pog

[gaunt sigil]

Well at least compared to my peers at the time

[lean plover]

I cant play a version of rogue with cp on targets

[gaunt sigil]

It’s not fun lol

[normal mist]

Oh you tabbed for NO reason?

ahahahahah

[buoyant herald]

He says in the Deathstalkers Mark channel

[ebon glade]

guys I play outlaw and I do good dps problem is my wowlogs numbers are not so good, how to increase it ?

[normal mist]

Play better

[gaunt sigil]

Play better

[normal mist]

Pad more

[lean plover]

#outlaw probably better help here

[normal mist]

I believe padding is the real answer

[ebon glade]

sorry just realized\ wrong channel ❤️

[normal mist]

You can be the best player in that raid group, you didn't pad, get a 70 parse

[lean plover]

no worries

[gaunt sigil]

I got my PI taken away for padding and then I started questioning my existence

I’m not even kidding too

My guild fucked me over in many ways

Put me on bombs with no Pi on tindral

[flat pier]

https://tenor.com/view/you-guys-are-getting-paid-gif-20686662

[gaunt sigil]

Still parsed a 99

[flat pier]

Wait you're getting PI

[gaunt sigil]

🖕 fuck you Castro

[lean plover]

pi on amirdrassil was big

[normal mist]

That's what you get for not playing in a aotc guild full of funny homies that you can irl meet up for coffee

[lean plover]

not anymore

[normal mist]

My priest can be bribed really well

[lean plover]

if i ever play priest i will pi the highest bidder i wont bother with sims

[gaunt sigil]

lol I tried to convince my boyfriend to play priest but he never fell for it

[normal mist]

Fuck

Double meaning

@gaunt sigil bribe him too

For every 10 Pi's he might get lucky

Chance increases every 10

[gaunt sigil]

There is a reason he isn’t my boyfriend now lol

[normal mist]

LOOOOOL

Chad

[lean plover]

No pi no relationship

based

[buoyant herald]

No PI, no PiV

[gaunt sigil]

Exactly

You guys get it

[normal mist]

There's always time to discuss things like this in this channel between mutilates

[gaunt sigil]

I payed for his Spotify premium and he still didn’t swap smh

Can’t believe he manipulated me so

[normal mist]

Meanwhile my gf tries to bribe my priest too

So we fight over pi

[gaunt sigil]

Yeah like cmon, you don’t even have to heal you can play shadow

[normal mist]

Or even disc

And feel cool

[candid sun]

If they don't PI just don't peel

[lean plover]

no pi on me, then tricks on you

[gaunt sigil]

Ugh, I need to redo my UI

[candid sun]

The sacred relationship of the rogue and the healer; peel thy healer, receiver buffs

[gaunt sigil]

If you don’t Pi me I tricks you

[normal mist]

Actual reaction on the priest

https://tenor.com/view/wink-cute-kid-heart-anime-gif-15546572

[candid sun]

And I'm sure the priest probably deserves it because they're probably the kind of person to life grip troll

[lean plover]

life grip trolls can be hilarious tho

[candid sun]

At least our shadow priest was a huge troll

[gaunt sigil]

Oh my god one of my fav guildies ever we did this shit all the time of gripping and tricks’ing eachother

[lean plover]

its like mages and portals

u HAVE to troll

[candid sun]

Being a mage is troll enough, I feel like the class itself attracts ADHD riddled zoomer personalities

[normal mist]

And we rogues can swapblast slow people

[candid sun]

(totally didn't name my mage zoomies)

[lean plover]

mage attracts people that want to be meta every tier, cant blame them

i do hate them tho

[candid sun]

I dislike the kind of PvPer personality the class attracts, most of the PvErs were just uptight arcane mages

[lean plover]

i just hate how most mages cant to dps or press defensives

or both

[gaunt sigil]

I always thought most rogue players I met were gonna be pvpers but I was wrong

[candid sun]

Aren't they squishy as fuck normally or something

[normal mist]

They can blink to death tho

[candid sun]

Like they're a nightmare to heal

Never played one so I don't know their survivability

[normal mist]

If played well, it's good

[candid sun]

You can tell if they spam ADADAD in PVE

[lean plover]

mages have 10 defensives

they are very tanky

but you have to be very proactive with them

[candid sun]

Makes sense

[gaunt sigil]

Real, I used to spam strafe but on assa I stand still, tab out, write and essay, doomscrool. and then tab back in to mutilate again

[candid sun]

Forgot to include playing subway surfers

[gaunt sigil]

True!

Ill put my monitor in portrail and scale wow down, put it on top, and put Subaway Surfers on the bottom

Roguemaxing

Sin-Roguemaxing*

[thorn thorn]

Im a certified hekili hater

[gaunt sigil]

what should I even do to get geared now

is there good catch up stuff rn, I havent played in a few seasons

[main bridge]

so much stuff

[weary spear]

Not really lol

It’s still a grind

[main bridge]

what do you mean bro it's so easy

delves, dinar quest, weekly quests

[weary spear]

Yeh if you wanna be 650 ig

[main bridge]

the only part that's a grind is where you have to start getting lots of gilded

[lean plover]

and valorstones ;D

bc they still exist

[main bridge]

valor stones are nothing i'm always capped

and you can transfer them

[lean plover]

u are always capped until u need to upgrade gear

i just dont like needing 2 currencies to upgrade gear

[main bridge]

yeah it would be cooler if they didn't exist

[humble verge]

@viscid spear almost done with the 3rd alt

👴

[thorn thorn]

Take me with you

[humble verge]

no

[thorn thorn]

Rude

I can actually believe you of all people would do this

[viscid spear]

I need to just do it

[thorn thorn]

Just do it

[humble verge]

what are you even missing

is it 3k

or all 12s

[thorn thorn]

Why are you getting 3k on multiple rogues anyway

[lean plover]

got to inflate rogue playerbase numbers

[balmy condor]

He’s got issues

It’s okay

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

Just let him post his react videos and he’ll go away

the typing

I’m ready

[bronze saffron]

anyone have advice to handling energy starvation on ST fights? any advice on how to handle it? am i using thistle teas to offensively early on? basically maintaining mastery buff?

[humble verge]

no i dont have issues

[balmy condor]

Oh

[humble verge]

i just have nothing else to do

[balmy condor]

You just run out, there is no handling

[humble verge]

imma get gold cap first week of the season

[drowsy hollow]

So what's up with the rumor that rogue lost it's main combat designer? I feel like I missed something

[spice surge]

Rogue hasnt gotten many changes, so people made shit up

[humble verge]

the guy in #outlaw ?

[spice surge]

Simple as

[balmy condor]

People have been rumoring about it since legion

Someone says some dumb shit and then everyone locks on

Internet be like that

[gaunt sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[fallow canopy]

My favorite hobby, spreading misinformation

[thorn thorn]

Content creator says some dumb shit and then everyone locks in

[bronze saffron]

once you run out, do you just auto and let it build up? or just burn as it comes in

[balmy condor]

He remembered my favorite my goat

[balmy condor]

You just burn it

[bronze saffron]

thx

[balmy condor]

Np

[humble verge]

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr what is the gain/loss from recent tuning

[balmy condor]

Wdym

[thorn thorn]

Surely there was tuning they just forgot to put in the post

[balmy condor]

True

Deathstalker tier set is like half of fatebounds still

Even though fatebound tier set is weak

And also Fatebound doesn’t work

[thorn thorn]

Surely they fix it in time

[humble verge]

im the only one in my guild actually actively playing the game since im gearing my 3rd rogue

[honest vector]

Do I just tell my raid lead that I don't need tier pieces early on and to prio literally anyone else kek

[humble verge]

probably

[honest vector]

Actually our tier set gets buffed before release, nvm

😉

[balmy condor]

The tier is a huge gain

Don’t get me wrong

Like even the weakest tier set bonuses are 2x what current tier is

It’s just that going from a 4%/4% tier to an 8%/8% tier

Isn’t impressive

When other specs have like 20/20

[honest vector]

Yea 😭 makes sense

[thorn thorn]

Very normal spec

[honest vector]

Sorry is essence bomb just the tier set

[balmy condor]

If we weren’t in bizarro world tuning, our tier is kinda fine

But like half the specs in the game have 30-40% tier sets

[thorn thorn]

Yes Essence Bomb is the tier set

[balmy condor]

And the other half have 15% tier sets

And it’s like

?????

Trickster is like 35% or some shit for sub

[honest vector]

I mean. July is a longer month so they have a whole extra day to realize one of these things is not like the other

[balmy condor]

Eleem will correct me if I’m wrong

But like what the fuck

[honest vector]

🙂

[thorn thorn]

Ok that image was a lie, its not 31%, that was just a burst

[humble verge]

how fun is dev

[thorn thorn]

Over a key tho its only gonna be your second highest ability

[humble verge]

wtf is essence bomb

[thorn thorn]

FS tier

[earnest remnant]

yeh thats about right

[thorn thorn]

Kinda op

[honest vector]

I do still need to learn sub just in case

[thorn thorn]

Dev is fun

Im a hardcore Flameshaper hater but its super bursty and very strong

[honest vector]

I would play evoker if I could look like anything else 100% of the time

[thorn thorn]

Use a toy or consumable is only answer

[honest vector]

Not enough uptime I think

Kek

[balmy condor]

also this is the most whispyr-complaint ever but it's so much harder to theorycraft when your shit is bad compared to when its good

not even talking motivation wise, which is obviously non-existent

but just logically like if you have a thing that's 30%

and you find gains for it

GG, you did it

it gets nerfed, you just test the things you added to see if they're still good

and if they're not, you reverse it

but if your shit is BAD

then the gains aren't there to begin with

[thorn thorn]

Surprisingly it goes both ways

[balmy condor]

and so when it gets buffed, now you have to test a bunch of shit

[thorn thorn]

I can think of pres as an example

[balmy condor]

and it's hell

[thorn thorn]

Of situations where new stuff is so insanely strong that you have no choice but to play around it

[honest vector]

When the realization hit that you could essentially find and replace a few words in your guide because there's no changes. I realized it was a tier

[thorn thorn]

And any attempt at theorycrafting ends up being dismissed as a loss

Pres has it with the new tier for Flameshaper

[viscid spear]

I have all 12s, I'm at 2945

[thorn thorn]

Its so insanely overtuned that you have no choice but to play around it thoroughly and entirely without it being a hefty loss

[balmy condor]

yah but it's WAYYYYYY easier to backpedal out of a crazy tier set than it is to randomly get your tier set tripled in the first week of a patch and then have to scramble to find gains

[thorn thorn]

True

Blizzard loves to do last minute major buffs to stuff

Maybe our sets power is increased by 400% next ptr or when patch is live

[humble verge]

:(

i am about to go for 3 mounts

[balmy condor]

blizzard pov when they buff the shit out of envenom and all of a sudden it's "wait a minute, dry shiv?"

[thorn thorn]

Real as hell

[spice surge]

Its achtually only 30%

Oh damn my discord didnt update

Im a bozo

[balmy condor]

you are

[thorn thorn]

But whispyr

You could cook fatebound

Make it kinda sorta not really playable

[balmy condor]

dude this patch I've had less than 0 desire to theorycraft anything

[humble verge]

no

[balmy condor]

like whats the point

[thorn thorn]

Dont worry king they are chefing up a god tier rework for midnight

[balmy condor]

I got the sims working with the dry shiv stuff and did some fixes for m+ where it wasn't vanishing and whatever

I took one look at fatebound

saw it was going 0:00, 0:45, 2:00

and I just went "yea......"

and then left it to rot

[vapid terrace]

Any tips on CD usage on gally p1? My 1 min comes up as we move to next set of adds but adds die too fast to put on there. Feels weird using it at like 40s left before big CDs come back up. Is it worth just holding kingsbane or send it on an add anyways?

[balmy condor]

but the deathstalker tier is so bad fatebound is simming higher even trolling insanely hard