My uncles brother works at blizzard and he said in 12.0 we will be playing fatebound
#assassination
thorn thorn
haughty flicker
marsh fjord
would you guys play fatebound if it was just as strong as DS?
vivid seal
do we think 2nd charge of shiv is mandatory now in keys with the tier set?
balmy condor
would you guys play fatebound if it was just as strong as DS?
Yes
vivid seal
guessing we can take it instead of MA
balmy condor
do we think 2nd charge of shiv is mandatory now in keys with the tier set?
It’s already kinda mandatory
Basically every build takes it
Unless you’re still taking iron wire I guess
royal lantern
would you guys play fatebound if it was just as strong as DS?
if they where equal, yes because both are boring passive effects but FB has no cringe mark juggeling attached
balmy condor
For whatever reason
marsh fjord
i geuss rnging a coin is kinda fun 😄
royal lantern
no
runic hinge
if they where equal, yes because both are boring passive effects but FB has no c...
You changed
royal lantern
the coin flip is dumb as hell
marsh fjord
i kinda like rng in my spec's lol
royal lantern
but the mark is dumb as hell aswell and Sometimes gives you a headache
marsh fjord
im weird i know 😄
haughty flicker
would you guys play fatebound if it was just as strong as DS?
i played fatebound all of sprocket prog
royal lantern
like, both are nearly 100% passive shit trees in the end
haughty flicker
and its just deathstalker but you vanish in a different spot
royal lantern
but atleast fb has no mark juggeling
marsh fjord
i played fatebound all of sprocket prog
god bless your soul
haughty flicker
but with no mark
balmy condor
i geuss rnging a coin is kinda fun 😄
I just don’t want mark anymore
haughty flicker
the mark has got to fucking go
i didnt mind it at first but holy fuck two seasons of this shit
marsh fjord
I just don’t want mark anymore
yah i was in your stream ranting about it. i know how much you want it lol
haughty flicker
going on a third
royal lantern
also like
i hate fb
like, the entire idea behind it, the gameplay, the shity made up "fantasy" and all that stuff
but jfc what kind of failed system did they create when the 2nd option was never even a choice at all
the fact that going FB was never even really a option at all is criminal
fallow canopy
and the name implies control over our fate and that's doesn't happen at least on live and last season
main bridge
well it's not called freewillbound
fallow canopy
at least the coin has a sound cue ig
main bridge
it's fatebound
haughty flicker
fatebund
fallow canopy
fatebund
main bridge
fatebuns
royal lantern
and its also insane how the low hanging fixes to FB just dont happen
remove the frking self nerf
like jfc, it cant be that hard
haughty flicker
i mean im sure they change it next expansion to be playable
royal lantern
im kinda convinced that rogue gets bigger changes to hero talents in midnight
if not full reworks on them
runic hinge
I just don’t want mark anymore
Davyn was in here telling me mark wasn’t that bad and mutilating on 6 combo points isn’t cringe
marsh fjord
i think we are getting reworked but who knows
runic hinge
I will play rogue again in midnight but I need a season off playing DS
royal lantern
if you take the "rng tree", remove the rng part and give it a bonkers effect like "your 2min window is 90sec now" and its still not playable, im kinda hoping that they get the message that it really needs Attention
runic hinge
Can’t do it three seasons in a row
haughty flicker
yeah i might be taking a break from rogue next season
if i can scam someone else into playing it
we had a trial but i think he just left before even starting
royal lantern
Davyn was in here telling me mark wasn’t that bad and mutilating on 6 combo poin...
it IS not that bad
but it still feels bad
and 95% of the time the mark doesnt matter and you just play, but those 5% of encounters where it matters and you need to juggle it around feel so fucking bad, its incredible
its all just exhausting
humble verge
finally
haughty flicker
i need to do it at some point, idc about the coat but i want the maxed rep
and if i dont do it now it'll be more annoying to do it later
runic hinge
its all just exhausting
Also like I do feral keys and it feels so good to bleed everything and target swap to whatever. I hate just being so target locked on this spec rn
royal lantern
and if i dont do it now it'll be more annoying to do it later
a problem for future You
royal lantern
Also like I do feral keys and it feels so good to bleed everything and target sw...
playing ansurek mythic where during the shield phase you kinda have to judge if you can bring out enough envenoms to get DN running before she goes immune
like, that shit was so anti-fun
humble verge
gratz i aint grinding that
took me like 2h now cause of the WQ thats up
marsh fjord
ahhh
humble verge
so like
marsh fjord
how much did you have
marsh fjord
ah not to bad
humble verge
i had 7000 into honored
marsh fjord
some people say on wowhead around 36 hours of grinding
humble verge
so i needed 26000 rep
marsh fjord
😄
drifting cloud
5h? do you not have a loot addon
keen spruce
drifting cloud
you can grind from 0 to exalted in 2h
marsh fjord
100k reward
viscid spear
https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-cat-staring-cat-face-hey-men-acala-hey-men-gif-...
Lemme see that thang, boy
humble verge
5h? do you not have a loot addon
no
im pressing them idk
it took me like 2h for the 26000
i.e. 2600 market research
since i was one of the guys clicking
it felt a bit slower ig
keen spruce
Lemme see that thang, boy
you're not men 
humble verge
since the loot was a bit away from me to actually loot it
drifting cloud
oh in total nvm I read it poorly
humble verge
drifting cloud
im at 11k atm ive been here 5h but im legit tabbed out 70% of the time
viscid spear
you're not men <:monkahmm:585734084571955211>
keen spruce
It’s on topic 👍
drifting cloud
for free
viscid spear
It’s not lookin good
Ban me too
keen spruce
we have the same crazy toe
viscid spear
The second one?
viscid spear
that forest tattoo is dope lemmy get that
Can't get a good pic of the back of the leg but I have Celtic knots
Here's one arm
viscid spear
looks very PNW
Wtf does that mean
keen spruce
it looks like you're from the Seattle/Portland area
😁
also get out of bed
it's like
daytime still
thorn thorn
It’s not lookin good
Your lambofeeties are showing
viscid spear
it looks like you're from the Seattle/Portland area
NJ. It's 10pm here.
Have work in 6 hours
I need sleep, she says
haughty flicker
viscid spear
<:uglyassdog:1370509827280867400> that's too late
Well it's still Prime Week.
Five days, 11 hours
keen spruce
are you an amazonian?
viscid spear
Warehouse slave / associate?
I do Kiva
thorn thorn
keen spruce
tf is a kiva
viscid spear
tf is a kiva
The robots
viscid spear
I keep them working so a lonely obese housewife can get her Idris Elba dildo on time
waxen oyster
When is your regulated shit in the bezos cage break
keen spruce
you're doing the lords work
waxen oyster
i cant imagine being the person
keen spruce
Y'know I'm a guy, right
not with that attitude you're not
keen spruce
on the internet you can be whatever I want you to be
(I forgot)
(ash sounds like a girl name)
waxen oyster
the internet told me you can be whatever you call yourself
haughty flicker
i am glorp
viscid spear
(ash sounds like a girl name)
Technically it is bc it's my cat's name
keen spruce
Technically it is bc it's my cat's name
I suspected I was mistaken when you sent the dawgs
viscid spear
And she wants me to sleep too so good night
keen spruce
goodbye forever 👋
haughty flicker
runic hinge
thorn thorn
life is hardly worth living
nitro is the least of your concerns i think
haughty flicker
fallow canopy
Sometimes ISP suck hard yk
thorn thorn
Real
Just look at Whispyr
He is gonna be the leader of the Anti-Comcast movement at this rate
runic hinge
<@221124352861667340> hey bro do you think im getting cheated
94% win rate. Lmfaooo
fallow canopy
<@221124352861667340> hey bro do you think im getting cheated
he just has an insane mousepad and gaming chair
runic hinge
Just click heads!
runic hinge
my prem stats for reference
What site is this I wanna look myself up
coral ibex
thorn thorn
<@221124352861667340> hey bro do you think im getting cheated
Nah only 47% hs rate
You have 50% so clearly you are the scripter
coral ibex
its so shameless xd
coral ibex
74 adr is pretty avg tbh
fallow canopy
holy my winrate is ass
runic hinge
If I played more than 2 games a month maybe I’d be slightly less ass
coral ibex
if i include my comp stats which are inflated bc the game refuses to rank me up out of silver
its higher
i play a regular comp game against silvers and drop 25+ kills with a deagle
runic hinge
Comp is so ass
I’m the silver you’re dropping 25 kills on
It was so hard to herd my friends out of playing comp. They had ranked anxiety about premier and I’m like comp is ten times worse. You don’t know what you’re gonna get. Hackers. Smurfs. But like ten times the amount of them that’s in premier
coral ibex
ladder anxiety is real
it sucks
i wish it was just 10 games for rank recalibration and not 10 wins
this is gonna be like a 15 hour endeavor to get my rank again
thorn thorn
I have 0% everything (I have never played)
runic hinge
I don’t get ladder anxiety cause I don’t care what my rank is
If I did care I wouldn’t queue with my boy who is natty 1500
thorn thorn
fallow canopy
based af
brave comet
i mean the strength and performance metrics unholy DK are rather irrelevant to the fact that most people universally dislike the removal of slappy hands as well as the reasoning given for such removal
hallow bobcat
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
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LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
thorn thorn
i mean the strength and performance metrics unholy DK are rather irrelevant to t...
Its about as disliked as other extremely controversial changes they decide to commit to
No kick for holy or disc because "interrupts are not something we view as essential for every spec to have" even though they are literally the only 2 specs that dont have one
Their laughably long blue post about "friction" talking about why feral still has to shift out of cat to brez in the 21st century
waxen oyster
Remember when you could cast brez and cyclone with predators swiftness? I do
blame pvp pauls
haughty flicker
waxen oyster
Kind of regret not doing the slime spawn shit the other day.
Doing revered to exalted darkfuse gonna be annoying
fallow canopy
something something about exploiting early
rotund oak
main bridge
brazen pine
Kind of regret not doing the slime spawn shit the other day.
Do the moths near the golf course still work? That's what I did, but I did it before the event started.
Search custom pve for the word Darkfuse and join any group that is a raid.
waxen oyster
common farm is the goblins at the top of the map
runic hinge
https://tenor.com/view/psalm-cat-gif-14454160419064468361
is this about me
haughty flicker
is this about me
Depends on whether you identify as a small cat who's liable to fall down stairs and spontaneously combust
runic hinge
rotund oak
sharp viper
zenith elm
Good morning fellow rogues
buoyant herald
It’s 10pm man it’s time for beddy byes
marble hemlock
https://tenor.com/view/duck-ducks-confused-surprised-what-gif-184553572782862893...
zenith elm
Whispyr vids > all of youtube
royal lantern
i mean, its more like
he is 100% true with it
i personaly dont even like FB for a couple of reasons, but that we never even had it as a option at all is just sooooo bad
combined with how deathstalker can feel not great in some situations/fights aswell just makes it feel horrible all around
i REALLY hope they have something cooking for rogue in general with Midnight
we reached the poin where the general community is aware of rogue getting kinda shafted very often and it becomes a louder talking point, which is kinda a good thing for that
snow hamlet
FB sin, DS sub=almost 0% players, no one knows why Blizzard is doing nothing about this
royal lantern
i mean, sub in general has many problems for many players
isnt it the least played spec in the game bit a good margin
royal lantern
and like, sub isnt weak most of the time, in raids it tends to be good to really good quiet often, but its a spec that cant hold players at all
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
royal lantern
if sub is strong, people play it cus they feel forced, and the second assa/outlaw get slightly buffed its playrate drops to 0 again
which screams "there is a bigger problem here"
rotund oak
thats because of the complexity of the spec
no one is gonna get forced into playing a spec that requires constant planning
sub is extreme is that respect
royal lantern
a spec broken by default
imo the problem is that sub is the result of not thought trought changes for a long time
sooooo many things are condensed into a handfull of ability, muliple things happen at once everytime you press a button
rotund oak
very brain draining
royal lantern
it makes for a bad experince for many players
like, sub rn isnt even really hard to play because its exremely scripted
rotund oak
imo the problem is that sub is the result of not thought trought changes for a l...
also true,sub should be redesigned in a way that it makes sense for everyone
random @vestal wren tag coz its a sub conversation about complexity
royal lantern
like, you dont need to make every spec a ret paladin "press divine storm because divine storm does 3 billion dmg when you press it cus thats its base dmg lol"
rotund oak
ret paladin is the sewer of rat gaming
royal lantern
but sub is a spec where it often feels that way too many small parts are moving at once, and most people cant keep up with that anymore and get confused and then dont play it
"press ability and it does dmg, when you stack 1-2 things on it it does more dmg" is a good thing
"press ability and it does no dmg, when you stack 8 things on it it suddenly nukes everything away and then you do no dmg again" can be fitting for a burst spec, but its too extreme in that regard for many people rn when the 8things you stack and often not really obvious too understand on first sight
rotund oak
its why its very unforgiving coz lets say u fail to allign or deliver the dmg in ur sblades/back-to-back window
its all over
royal lantern
ye
tbh, its not just sub, Outlaw has the problem where blizz doesnt seem to really know what they want from the spec
like, outlaws base desing being "you do good consistent dmg with no burst and high uptime on stuff" is allright
snow hamlet
The S3 tier set is the first set designed for "hero talent". If FB sin/DS sub still maintains almost 0% selection, maybe Blizzard will find the problem.
rotund oak
sub has still stupid bugs
royal lantern
but then at some point they decided to give outlaw "Burst window gameplay" with the BtE stealth stuff, but then realised that its Outlaw and cant burst so you play with a burst window that does no burst dmg and its just a big questionmark of whats going on
red schooner
The S3 tier set is the first set designed for "hero talent". If FB sin/DS sub st...
They don't need to find it,the same issues have been said since the talents were first announced.
rotund oak
how do you let a bug like that exist on a spec that does most of the dmg on that window
its criminal
royal lantern
The S3 tier set is the first set designed for "hero talent". If FB sin/DS sub st...
the FB assa set is fucking insane
It removes the RNG of a RNG tree AND gives a spec controll over playing like a 2min or 90sec spec
thats fucking crazy
and like
removing RNG from the "rng tree" allready kinda feels like waving the white flag, cus people will hate the FB rng even more without the tierset when they had the no-rng version once
but it all doesnt matter, because FB is so bad baseline hat you cant even play it lol
snow hamlet
They don't need to find it,the same issues have been said since the talents were...
ture, but Blizzard has been like a blind man so far. 
rotund oak
ture, but Blizzard has been like a blind man so far. <:omegalul:5857340847774760...
personally i dont think they dont know it
they just cant fix it
coz i refuse to accept they can and wont
that would mean other things.. 😉
royal lantern
they probably can
problem is more like
the increased release schedule has obvious flaws, and the lack of herotalent changes on rogue is a good example for them
rogue always was kinda lower priority cus not that many peeps play it
but now where everything must come out faster, low priority stuff just gets pushed aside more and more and more
rogues complaining is just not as big of a deal when paladins complain that their tierset shoulders are 4pixels too big and its the reason they stop playing the game now and make a huge outrage over it
royal lantern
sadly just how priority in a highly stressfull envoirment works, you do the stuff that has the biggest impact on your playerbase first, and rogue having problems doesnt have a huge impact on that overall
rotund oak
mild spoke
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
royal lantern
and again, its why im kinda happy that the community overall gets more vocal about rogue in the past half year
when half my guild pings me with "look, rogue got their first changes and its just % buffs again lol", you know something is kinda fucked because people that dont even play it notice it now
vestal wren
random <@194804407706189824> tag coz its a sub conversation about complexity
sorry, i was eating
if it comes to complexity, its not difficulty of execution
so what exactly was the discussion?
grand trail
but sub is a spec where it often feels that way too many small parts are moving ...
comon, you would not play sub even if it have two buttons to press 😄
brave comet
comon, you would not play sub even if it have two buttons to press 😄
You really dont know that
fast mural
!builds
prisma monolithBOT
Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:
- If you have to ask, you should play bleed
- If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed
Some general concepts as to why people play different things:
- Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
- Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
- Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
- Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
plush isle
How is the possibility that someone of blizzard is lurking here and can change the Thistle Tea to be a Choice Note without the automatic activation ?
balmy condor
0
subtle tundra
nooo man fuck im quitting then
grand trail
How is the possibility that someone of blizzard is lurking here and can change t...
they do, and they know but they wont change shit
brave comet
i mean its annoying and all, but really you just need to stop spamming and it wont consume all your charges
red schooner
You just need to stop caring about it. You'll auto use tea, it happens, it ain't a big deal
glass relic
Make it autoproc when you go below 150 energy to piss everyone off
brave comet
that would be demonic
rotund oak
so what exactly was the discussion?
about sub being complex and punishing enough to discourage ppl from actually playing it
vestal wren
it is punishing, the complexity is managable
but if you can play a spec you can use rotation assist
balmy condor
Make it autoproc when you go below 150 energy to piss everyone off
well, not everyone
vestal wren
and perform the same as subtlety
balmy condor
I wouldn't care
vestal wren
why play subtlety where you can't and will perform noticable worse if you fuck up
balmy condor
I either drink tea during cooldowns, and I'm happy cause it helped me
or I drink tea outside of cooldowns, and I'm happy cause it helped me
either way I'm happy
earnest remnant
and white monster for the pregame
glass relic
I wouldn't care
You and me both king
brave stump
terse brook
how to make bleed build st less suck
pls
i'm loosing my mind
considering switching build
balmy condor
Then switch?
snow hamlet
considering switching build
go raid build ye
balmy condor
No one’s holding you at gunpoint to play a talent setup you don’t enjoy
terse brook
go raid build ye
can't go raid build in m+
terse brook
No one’s holding you at gunpoint to play a talent setup you don’t enjoy
i don't mind the gameplay of bleed build, it's just i find the st damage profile to be abysmally low
snow hamlet
you can, and make a good st
balmy condor
Try cleave I guess
terse brook
for me hybrid and bleed are both as much fun but hybrid requires higher concentration and when i'm tired its bad
deep gyro
tight ginkgo
it is like the world is your oyster and you're allergic to shellfish
terse brook
Try cleave I guess
will do
viscid spear
Try cleave I guess
Whispyr do you associate with class guide writers for other classes, like perhaps Balance Druid?
I want to know what you think of the changes for them going into this next patch
humble verge
5h? do you not have a loot addon
also, what loot addon would that be
drifting cloud
Im sure you can notice the difference then
drifting cloud
Ive just been using it for so many years I forget how much blizz default can fuck you
acoustic sky
i fount speedy autoloot
speedy autoloot is a definitive banger
royal hazel
!plater
prisma monolithBOT
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humble verge
lead is trying to make it OCD
pliant remnant
bro invited half the game's playerbase still playing and still didn't get a priest or a lock
humble verge
bro invited half the game's playerbase still playing and still didn't get a prie...
theres no reason to
the mobs just insta die
static glacier
lead is trying to make it OCD
what's this for even
static glacier
oh shit you can do it in a raidgroup now?
static glacier
i farmed it the old way smh
static glacier
ahh gl
pliant remnant
viscid spear
Wdym by associate
I mean you all are guide writers, maybe there's a secret society that meets in the woods and worships an effigy of some kind
brave comet
i don't mind the gameplay of bleed build, it's just i find the st damage profile...
what key level are we talking
ocean quiver
https://puu.sh/KxqYE/988b3ed4f8.mp4
bad pc
took me 2 hours to get exalted doing that
warm vortex
Lmao, had one of my first assas of the season earlier
Forgot how it's literally just
Obnoxiously good AoE
The worst st in the game
viscid spear
Forgot how it's literally just
Obnoxiously good AoE
The worst st in the game
I made it this entire season without someone telling me my dps was bad.
humble verge
took me 2 hours to get exalted doing that
yeah but, did you do 2 paragons to get the mount? 😎
ocean quiver
yeah but, did you do 2 paragons to get the mount? 😎
I'm not fussed for mounts like that, only wanted the coat
ocean quiver
also true
Holy smokes
tbf even my pc was lagging and I got an i9-14900kf
was unable to loot at some points but no game freezes
warm vortex
I made it this entire season without someone telling me my dps was bad.
<a:Fight...
Omg same!!!
I actually got complimented on it a bit
But i mean lkets be real
The expectation of BM isn't high
Like you see a bm, you assume braindead
Which i am, but i can dps
ocean quiver
I made it this entire season without someone telling me my dps was bad.
<a:Fight...
the best is when they say "I've never seen a rogue do as much damage as you"
humble verge
I'm not fussed for mounts like that, only wanted the coat
same but since the WQ was still up i figured to try out my luck
viscid spear
the best is when they say "I've never seen a rogue do as much damage as you"
Don't get me wrong, people have complained about things, just not my damage
ocean quiver
same but since the WQ was still up i figured to try out my luck
true tbf it's only 1000 which you make around an hour anyways
ocean quiver
Don't get me wrong, people *have* complained about things, just not my damage <:...
yeah interrupts for me
I just go full dps mode and forget to cc or anything
viscid spear
yeah interrupts for me
Workshop first room
humble verge
true tbf it's only 1000 which you make around an hour anyways
half an hour if ure efficient
ocean quiver
Workshop first room <:omegalul:585734084777476096>
Every dungeon for me
viscid spear
"DON'T YOU HAVE CLEAVE SILENCE"
humble verge
why would you double account
viscid spear
Brubby no, I'm bleed build
ocean quiver
I use a UI that tells me to interrupt if they are set as a focus and I ignore it lmfao
humble verge
wait @viscid spear are you done with all 12s now
ocean quiver
why would you double account
Some people have 2 accounts, I was going to
Some people have the characters they play the game on, and another account for gold farming like professions and stuff
main bridge
what's the point
viscid spear
wait <@317720728331878400> are you done with all 12s now
Yeah, 2950 rating now. Need to bug some people to hit 3k
ocean quiver
Especially if you pvp, solo shuffle queue times are like 50 minutes of just sitting doing nothing
humble verge
Yeah, 2950 rating now. Need to bug some people to hit 3k
i spent 4 days to get it on my 2nd rogue 😭
main bridge
if someone asks you a question you think you already answered, it's because it's not clear to them
viscid spear
i spent 4 days to get it on my 2nd rogue 😭
So far every pug I've done in a 13 has fallen apart before the first boss
humble verge
well i dont think it was 4 days
humble verge
So far every pug I've done in a 13 has fallen apart before the first boss
now thats insane to me
ocean quiver
if someone asks you a question you think you already answered, it's because it's...
"some people have the characters they play the game on, and another account for gold farming like professions and stuff"
how more clear do I need to be lol
viscid spear
now thats insane to me
I have extremely terrible luck trying to solo queue sometimes
humble verge
but then
u have like
2 weeks left
i believe
this and next until the season achis are gone
humble verge
no
viscid spear
Yeah, work's been real busy lately but it's tapering off
ocean quiver
damn
humble verge
so use em
humble verge
but like
ocean quiver
not if they transfer over
I really like being able to just buy bis to prevent bad luck
ocean quiver
"are we getting another system like it"
humble verge
the first week
ocean quiver
I don't literally mean the exact system
if I say "are we getting denars next season" will you reply: "why would we buy shadowlands gear"
humble verge
So much fun getting Pacemaker again next season
took me 2 runs on this rogue
warm vortex
what's the point
The point is a name for the sharp end of an object
dense cedar
next season kinda evil for trinkets tbh
humble verge
im surprised i dont have top 2*
viscid spear
took me 2 runs on this rogue
Finally got lucky in a 10 so far into the season. First thing I bought with my Dinar was the Myth track version
pliant remnant
viscid spear
im surprised i dont have top 2*
ToP makes me sad.
I have to just let them kill me on Xav. 
dense cedar
oh alright
like actually fucked trinkets
humble verge
H
V HV HV HV HV HV HV HV HV HV HV HV HV HV HV HV HV HV HV HV HV HV HV HV HV HV
viscid spear
oh alright
Yep, get ready to farm out Pacemaker and Signet again
humble verge
Yep, get ready to farm out Pacemaker and Signet again
you guys farmed signet?
i got hoc first week
smh
spice sentinel
i got hoc first week
humble verge
yeah but
using champ hoc all the way into OAB progress
🤨
just as we kill him, i already got signet from vault lul
terse brook
what key level are we talking
10-13
viscid spear
i got hoc first week
No HoC this time
humble verge
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brave comet
10-13
bleed single target is more than enough
if you know how to play assassination rogue, you can beat most of the people who are playing within that range in single target
humble verge
glad osprey
Forgot how it's literally just
Obnoxiously good AoE
The worst st in the game
bro thats how i am feeling rn
I usually play feral but oh my god
i am starting on this sin alt and i thought feral was bad st
warm vortex
Yep
glad osprey
its not even bad its just HORRID
nocturne quail
unless
you play the build with the same aoe and BiS ST
but you need every mob in the pull to live minimum 30 seconds
nocturne quail
<- zeross believer
brave comet
royal lantern
NO KINGS
empty tide
hey so any tips on myth gally?
save second deathmark for when adds spawns, and it simcs perfectly for the rest of the fight
the ones after third bomb
supple spindle
save second deathmark for when adds spawns, and it simcs perfectly for the rest ...
damn that's a poggers advise btw
thanks!
marsh fjord
save second deathmark for when adds spawns, and it simcs perfectly for the rest ...
Do you save second DN when adds spawn with caustic because your getting so much energy back is that why its so good?
and are spamming envenoms?
empty tide
Do you save second DN when adds spawn with caustic because your getting so much ...
ye its more damage, otherwise your DM timings are so bad for the rest of the fight
plus you pad the adds 
marsh fjord
Do you snipe them with ruptures or just let it be?
you do have a lot of energy already
empty tide
nah you just blast
empty tide
so your last DM will be up when last add wave spawns, which is what needs to die to kill the boss
marsh fjord
yeah makes sense.
empty tide
Also, play eye of kezan
bold tulip
!tricks
prisma monolithBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
versed mica
Do you save second DN when adds spawn with caustic because your getting so much ...
What's DN
marsh fjord
humble verge
we love being invincible
royal lantern
hi washed
ocean quiver
my parses just are so dogshit
royal lantern
or "omg its only a 88" and im gonna strangle you?
humble verge
dumbass
royal lantern
killtimer?
ocean quiver
cauldron
humble verge
or "omg its only a 88" and im gonna strangle you?
YEAHY MY 99 CAULDRON COULDVE BEEN R1
ocean quiver
4:34
royal lantern
and i mean, a 67 is still "you did more dmg then 67% of people in your spec that killed the boss"
ocean quiver
bandit 5:25
royal lantern
yeha oof, cursed killtimer tbh
ocean quiver
where did you get sprocket from
ocean quiver
;o
ocean quiver
humble verge
dont link ur strings
ocean quiver
not my string
humble verge
wait
ocean quiver
someone elses
ocean quiver
yeah
humble verge
what in the
ocean quiver
humble verge
thats like my time when i boost cauldron
humble verge
godly 623 gamer
ocean quiver
he has been 623
for like 4 weeks now
he just comes on that alt for kills for no reason
besides wasting our time
royal lantern
kinda based, ngl
humble verge
just like, 96 log while boosting smh
humble verge
yes
ocean quiver
im so shit then
look at my parse
😢
this is my vixie
our kill timer is 4:21
when damage phase ends we are at like 1.6b hp
humble verge
is your guild privatelogging? xd
ocean quiver
yeah
humble verge
bruh
ocean quiver
guild rules
works in my favour
imagine checking my parses and you see the dog shit on there
i'll get into nothing
rather have it private and look like im boosted than show that
ocean quiver
Anything like, m+, heroics etcs
humble verge
idk ure 683
humble verge
thats enough to get into a heroic
ocean quiver
684
ocean quiver
:(
jaunty matrix
and nobody is looking at raid logs for m+
marsh fjord
Link logs and let people help you
ocean quiver
Which boss would be best?
jaunty matrix
like your roster, your items, your kill time
marsh fjord
Also parsing right now is absolutely cursed.
ocean quiver
this my current loadout
marsh fjord
Which boss would be best?
Prob lockenstock
ocean quiver
our kill timers are slow
ocean quiver
marsh fjord
Well other people gotta look at it. i can't
ocean quiver
Oh
marsh fjord
@golden loom is the best log reviewer i know
marsh fjord
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DzcxR9j6mTBdQW2g?fight=36&type=damage-done&...
I did took a quick glance. this won't be very big. but why did you fan of knives in your opener?
ocean quiver
I did took a quick glance. this won't be very big. but why did you fan of knives...
had the fan of knives buff
marsh fjord
You dont press it on single target. im pretty sure. not in the ST build
Someone cna correct me if im wrong
prisma monolithBOT
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
marsh fjord
It says. if you have lingering darkness or not vicious venoms. with vicious venoms its dps neutral during darkness
Its not very big. it doesnt make or break your parse.
ocean quiver
I will learn to not press it from now, any little bit helps
marsh fjord
You also used your Shiv before your deathmark. It's deathmark - shiv - kingsbane -shiv
ocean quiver
You also used your Shiv before your deathmark. It's deathmark - shiv - kingsbane...
Is there a reason for this?
marsh fjord
Yeah you want to have a full shiv duration for your entire kingsbane window.
ocean quiver
ah okay I see
My second shiv is normally late because I try save it for the big envenom in cds too
marsh fjord
ocean quiver
not sure if they stack the buff orn ot
marsh fjord
What helped for me.
Was a sound when kingsbane is 8 seconds. to press my second shiv.
i just made a weakaura 😄
pure moth
Its about lining it up. Second shiv is as first one falls and it covers full duration kb. You just got to optimize the damage gains
ocean quiver
Was a sound when kingsbane is 8 seconds. to press my second shiv.
Tbf I think it's just me being dumb, now I know this I should be able to do it properly
ocean quiver
Its about lining it up. Second shiv is as first one falls and it covers full du...
Yeah, I just kinda winged the whole time doing what I thought was best, guess I should watch a guide lmfao
marsh fjord
Also what im seeing is that you are rupturing a bit to early. you could fit other envom in
you did this 4 times on rik
ocean quiver
do you know what time it was
so I watch video back
I could have been putting rupture on the ads at that point not sure
well one ad
marsh fjord
0.28, 0.31 0.59 3.02
ocean quiver
0.28, 0.31 0.59 3.02
28 seconds?
marsh fjord
Also it seems that you have no enchant on your head. the one from the event i forgot the name of it
ocean quiver
Yeah that was a mistake
vocal hedge
echoing void
ocean quiver
https://wowanalyzer.com/report/DzcxR9j6mTBdQW2g/36-Mythic+Rik+Reverb+-+Kill+(3:5...
Yeah looking at that now
Vanish I don't have to worry about right? I only saved it for when I drop the hero talent by not attacking boss (mainly in rik when he goes immune)
marsh fjord
Vanish I don't have to worry about right? I only saved it for when I drop the he...
yup
ocean quiver
Or are we pressing it other times?
marsh fjord
no. not in this build no
ocean quiver
we can doubld gem the belt?
ocean quiver
main bridge
wtf
marsh fjord
a pro rogue. i just see somethings that i know from my understand. i twould come later and ask again honestly 😄
But your opener + shiv usage is the only thing that really gets my eye
thats really big
ocean quiver
Yeah hopefully the guy you pinged has a chance to look over it, if not all good too he doesn't have to but yeah
marsh fjord
also did you rupture the adds for energy?
ocean quiver
also did you rupture the adds for energy?
somtimes yeah
marsh fjord
Thats good
ocean quiver
same for bandit
marsh fjord
yeah boss gotta be brought on the adds on bandit.
rupture the add and caustic spatter the boss
ocean quiver
Yeah
I lost so much damage in logs tho
because they hide the damage to the ads near the end
idk the name of them
went from 2.95m to like 2.2 or something
ocean quiver
yeah
marsh fjord
yeah
ocean quiver
yeah
I appreciate your help tho, i'll try to implement it and see how it goes
we not raiding this monday so will have to be reset
or I go into heroic and try
onyx pond
!sims
prisma monolithBOT
Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
pure moth
Yeah, I just kinda winged the whole time doing what I thought was best, guess I ...
Guides are always good
golden loom
<@267351433018474496> is the best log reviewer i know
Sadly out drinking today
normal mist
Be safe
golden loom
But yeah idk looking at the log half blind, the spatter damage seems low (20m compared to like 97m from a log I have), and the shiv placement in ur cds seems weird (should be dm shiv kb) and idk 15 wasted combot points from seal fate in a 3min fight is a bit strange
marsh fjord
Sadly out drinking today
have fun cutie
bitter crow
does anyone has the % dps loss of using thistle tea actively VS not pooling and letting it go off when you go sub-30 energy?
tried to find it on sims, and I just get some random reddit thread with 0.2%
and whispyr's guide on wowhead saying The main mechanic for min-maxing is what we refer to as "pooling." Pooling is the concept of taking a resource from a point of low efficiency to a point of higher efficiency. Assassination is a spec limited in single target by Energy Energy. Given our large maximum pool, we can use this to our advantage. In Season 2, the benefit of playing around this is very low, and the only objective optimization is to save energy for 2-3 seconds before a Kingsbane window if you are below 50% energy.
golden loom
does anyone has the % dps loss of using thistle tea actively VS not pooling and ...
Like 0.2
normal mist
Yeah around 0.2
bitter crow
ty ❤️
golden loom
The sim macroes tea to shiv aswell
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
bitter crow
yeah that only works if you have thistle tea charges though
normal mist
You'll have 1 tea charge every kb and every dm
bitter crow
so if you just let it proc off itself, the macro won't work (if you're not pooling)
normal mist
You'll have guaranteed 1 during kb and during Dm
Assuming you're playing the rotation properly
novel niche
hi all quick question, does Sudden Demise consider crit chance in any way?
golden loom
so if you just let it proc off itself, the macro won't work (if you're not pooli...
You use teas during opener when you shiv so you cant autoproc teas since they are on cd
And then ur teas line up for when you need them
normal mist
hi all quick question, does Sudden Demise consider crit chance in any way?
This is a question that gets asked every now and then, I believe it does not but I'm not entirely sure
balmy condor
It doesn’t
novel niche
thank you!
spring lark
Am I the only one who's losing their mind everytime when that new belt hits a mob and you instantly lose stealth ?
normal mist
You can changethe power and probably should
fallow canopy
No one should be using that after it got nerfed
spring lark
oooh
yeeeeet
thank you for the feedback, i dont really have a different one at the time but will prob craft one
fallow canopy
I meant using that belt buff not the belt itself just in case
balmy condor
thank you for the feedback, i dont really have a different one at the time but w...
Do not craft a belt
balmy condor
Quick way to lose 3% of your damage
spring lark
which buff should I use, instead of charged bolts
spring lark
ooh sorry, will read the pins instead!
thorn thorn
It's in the pins
thorn thorn
I love to take things out of context
runic hinge
thorn thorn
near nacelle
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
raw marlin
The end of a season like this is always so boring lol. You’ve basically done everything just waiting for the new season
polar rampart
true
raw marlin
Aren’t even good single player games to play in the downtime anymore
ocean quiver
But yeah idk looking at the log half blind, the spatter damage seems low (20m co...
15 wasted combo points from seal fate? i'm gonna be totally honest I have no idea what that ability even is so that's probably why. Also spatter damage was bad because tanks didn't bring boss over to the ads for me to cleave
gritty laurel
seal fate is bonus combo points from crits. 15 waste from that doesn't sound outrageous and it's not something you have any control over when you have to force 5 combo points or 7 for DN
ocean quiver
Ah okay I see thanks
Wasn't too sure about it, tbf I should probably watch a guide and readup and the abilities lmfao
I've just been playing blind and assuming how to play, and has worked for me this far but wanted to increase parses
gritty laurel
yeah asking for log reviews when you haven't read the abilities probably isn't going to help much
raw marlin
I've just been playing blind and assuming how to play, and has worked for me thi...
Increase parses by padding
And parses increase with everyone being better
Parses are complete shit half the time lol.
marsh fjord
I'm looking at people caustic spatter breakdowns. and so many logs with so much of a big difference in caustic spatter. what makes it that some people have really high caustic damage and some people don't are they just doing more evenoms? is there like a trick to it?
radiant pine
Guys, is there some way to see PTR keys on Warcraftlogs?
thorn thorn
Guys, is there some way to see PTR keys on Warcraftlogs?
Its on the home page and scroll down a bit
radiant pine
Its on the home page and scroll down a bit
I can see Liberation of undermine, Nerubar and all that, but cant seem to find a button to take me to M+ Ptr logs?
thorn thorn
Its not a button
gritty laurel
I'm looking at people caustic spatter breakdowns. and so many logs with so much ...
it's most likely that adds are getting blown up before you get to spatter them or your tanks aren't moving the boss to the adds. possible that you're not standing close enough to the adds against giant bosses
thorn thorn
Its literally on the home page about halfway down
thorn thorn
Near the bottomish
marsh fjord
it's most likely that adds are getting blown up before you get to spatter them o...
Is caustic from your positon? not from the target position?
ocean quiver
And parses increase with everyone being better
Yeah true
ocean quiver
I mean, rank 4 has 13 wasted from Seal Fate
Okay good
normal mist
Wasted cps will always be a passive thing with assa
Even if you're playing like a god
marsh fjord
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923750073499648/1348817256531...
TY
humble verge
@viscid spear its possible to get 3k without doing 13s :p
waxen oyster
DN just made combo point waste much worse
waxen oyster
<@317720728331878400> its possible to get 3k without doing 13s :p
Yeah you need to +2 12s
humble verge
i was 2999 and got 1 score from dfc lol
ocean quiver
Wasted cps will always be a passive thing with assa
are you good at understanding logs?
normal mist
Trust me, it isn't a requirement
humble verge
jus be a lil funni guy
normal mist
In this channel I'm as red as you
I just somewhat know how things work and do stuff. But I'm an heroic raider lol so my experience vs people who actually mythic raid is a big fat 0
normal mist
I can parse well in heroic if I try hard enough!! :3
thorn thorn
I just somewhat know how things work and do stuff. But I'm an heroic raider lol ...
The peoples rogue expert
shy creek
!tricks
prisma monolithBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
does sin rogue change much rotationally from our current position? I haven't logged in for a while as I did everything I wanted to do this season but tempted to go back now and grind some keys with friends to get some 'practice' in.. I assume our rotation isnt that different to new season?
marsh fjord
how long ago have you played?
marsh fjord
Nah nothing different compared to last month. i dont know if the bleed build was around then
raw marlin
bleed build being execute to steal everyones dps?
marsh fjord
!build
thorn thorn
marsh fjord
or whats the command
raw marlin
!noice
marsh fjord
!builds
prisma monolithBOT
Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:
- If you have to ask, you should play bleed
- If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed
Some general concepts as to why people play different things:
- Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
- Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
- Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
- Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
raw marlin
oh yh i played all of them
ive played every spec for many years but just wondering if we actually get changes as i havent watched ptr
or even know what our tier set is lol
normal mist
or even know what our tier set is lol
check pins
keen spruce
raw marlin
oh lol ive literally watched whispyr's video
and his raid testing one
but he is my 'put him on repeat while i go to sleep' youtuber
i miss the 60 minute deep dives of rogue earlier this xpac man
@balmy condor you doing another big deep dive for s3 (even if nothing has changed, just waffle for us?)
waxen oyster
sin tbh doesnt need changes tbh
thorn thorn
What is there to deep dive
waxen oyster
mechanically
red schooner
We just need hero talent changes.
normal mist
sin tbh doesnt need changes tbh
thats how you start wars
normal mist
I agree
red schooner
Base spec? Good. Hero talent? Not good.
raw marlin
What is there to deep dive
i just want whispyr to have in hte background, is that so much to ask
thorn thorn
The hero talents need some kind of god
raw marlin
I think whispyr should just make a video that is ranting about every change he would do in the perfect world for 3 hours
raw marlin
i mean we play wow
normal mist
I also want world peace and yet here we are
raw marlin
it is all a waste of time
raw marlin
like literally everything we are doing right now is a waste of time
waxen oyster
but thats not the worst thing
normal mist
like literally everything we are doing right now is a waste of time
Not me
normal mist
yeahh huuhh
... i'm not actually also playing the game hehe
raw marlin
... i'm not actually also playing the game hehe
but talking to me is a waste of time
normal mist
but talking to me is a waste of time
Depends on the PoV!
raw marlin
Depends on the PoV!
normal mist
I just can't imagine whispyr wasting 3 hours talking about "if's" when he has so much work to do already
waxen oyster
the elite weapons this season are underwhelming
its just the lou weapons
but purple
normal mist
That's what i meant
waxen oyster
my personal s3 prediction is
streamer overhypes sub for rwf
community thinks assa bad
assa random aura buff week 3
thorn thorn
I just can't imagine whispyr wasting 3 hours talking about "if's" when he has so...
Like grilling out comcast
rancid wind
what would a bleed focused ST build look like even if its not stronger?
main bridge
The hybrid build
thorn thorn
Im assuming he means for raid
balmy condor
Depends on what you define as not stronger, but you can start by taking improved garrote and shrouded suffocation and then it gets hard
raw marlin
streamer overhypes sub for rwf
i think if they buff the ST anymore, sub will be broken lol
viscid spear
<@317720728331878400> its possible to get 3k without doing 13s :p
Knowing my luck I'd have to do all 13s
viscid spear
I mean, I timed my first Cinderbrew 10 but literally 1 second
waxen oyster
just the first 15 seconds on details on a stream
raw marlin
I mean community is stupid
problem is the community is who invites or doesnt in pugs
waxen oyster
Dont pug
raw marlin
Dont pug
yh bro..
everyone says that
but doesnt offer any solutions, get me 4 friends each playing the right roles please
raw marlin
nah i need
right times, right roles
right skills
dont pug or just pug
is like saying just be a billionare bro
like no fucking shit
raw marlin
else its kind of on you
no it isnt lol
thorn thorn
I dont mind pugging though because you get some really funny experiences
raw marlin
I only key with guildies
wonderful my guildies dont do keys high enough for me to not need to pug
thorn thorn
I get keys like this occasionally
waxen oyster
I dont mind pugging though because you get some really funny experiences
you mean pain
thorn thorn
I prefer funny because im on copium
raw marlin
I only key with guildies
guildies typically do the weekly vault level, they arent about ot do 18s
waxen oyster
Anytime i pug a vault key on warrior im usually 3rd
Yeah i mean im not going to bother with keys if not going for title
useless waste of time
marsh fjord
I feel like they gotta add some transmorg sets to 3k
raw marlin
i mean when i talk about pugging im not talking about getting into 10s or some shit lol
marsh fjord
we already have a mount at 2k
thorn thorn
We get a second mount at 2k at least