what will crafted s3 belt be in ilvl? like 725 or smthin
#assassination
golden loom
golden loom
cause I simmed a 701 crafted belt compared to delve belt and they are equal
yeah okay so its smoked
golden loom
yeah thats the main thing
my rat DH with 640 ilvl has its bis belt already, ready for s3 m+ 😎
nocturne quail
Yep
honest vector
+39 ilevel each season, interesting
marsh fjord
midnight we gonna get stat quished 100%
spice surge
+39 ilevel each season, interesting
Thats been their goto for quite a while
somber sparrow
do you think that in midnight, there will be additional talents added, or an additional hero tree
or maybe they just add new talents to the regular trees
onyx scroll
maybe we get 3 fully fleshed out hero trees first
candid sun
Inb4 hero trees get scrapped next xpac
somber sparrow
Inb4 hero trees get scrapped next xpac
we call that the Way of the Shadowlands
candid sun
That's exactly why i said it
Though I had garrisons in mind
E.g. "gimmick for the expansion we'll abandon next round"
somber sparrow
ah, yeah i was thinking how all those tokens unlocking abilities and buffs and then they became part of the spec essentially
candid sun
imagine trying to build a house out of spaghetti
Easy just don't cook it
Firm foundation right there
It's like making a toothpick castle
somber sparrow
maybe the void consumes all of our talent trees and specs
main bridge
maybe the void consumes all of our talent trees and specs
i mean they kinda did do this with artifact weapons so it's not unprecedented
marsh fjord
maybe the void consumes all of our talent trees and specs
that's after the last titan. because then wow 2 comes
somber sparrow
and being the 2nd of a trilogy, Midnight, like two towers, things become the darkest, all will seem lost
candid sun
WoW2 releases after we fight John warcraft
ivory kraken
gray dirge
Hi, quick question. As a beginner to Assassination (and Rogue in general), what's the best build to use in Mythic+ to get started with the class ?
iron carbon
prisma monolithBOT
Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:
- If you have to ask, you should play bleed
- If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed
Some general concepts as to why people play different things:
- Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
- Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
- Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
- Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
gray dirge
Perfect thanks
marsh fjord
!fok
prisma monolithBOT
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
broken chasm
Looking for a WeakAura to track Rupture/Garrote on big bosses ? debuffs are hard to see on large models
runic hinge
Looking for a WeakAura to track Rupture/Garrote on big bosses ? debuffs are hard...
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
strange comet
im playing hunter since 1 week and i think ive been wasting my entire season try to sort out what to do how to comb'ne them, fallow buffs, combine things beg tank to stealth blabla... why rogues need to be that complicated to play its like after u are pro with rogue, all other classes are so damn simple to play. expecially hunter, dh, ret, dk i mean all
really sad that we cant play like a bm hunter 😄
marsh fjord
im playing hunter since 1 week and i think ive been wasting my entire season try...
You dont have to stealth on rogue really.
if you think you gotta stealth you are gimping your group
strange comet
You dont have to stealth on rogue really.
lol no ofc?
normal mist
He's right
marsh fjord
lol no ofc?
Why do you want to stealth?
You already getting agi from previous ruptures.
strange comet
well letz consider u play bleed build or u play sub or outlaw
marsh fjord
It's worse for the key to stay there and hit one mob so you can stealth
strange comet
dont u want stealth?
marsh fjord
Even with bleed build
normal mist
No
marsh fjord
yes
strange comet
u consider we play shiv envenom hybrib build
strange comet
well whatever dont go stealth 😄 but point is not that anyway 😄
some ppl play with 1 eye 1 hand
marsh fjord
if you would do high keys you know you dont need to stealth.
strange comet
and do way more then rogues
normal mist
We already have double vanish
strange comet
skill base cath ups are so low for some classes but for rogue man its sick
normal mist
and do way more then rogues
If we wanted to min max the class we wouldn't be playing rogue anyway
marsh fjord
I think you are in a bubble not gonna lie
normal mist
People play rogue because they enjoy playing it
And because it is somewhat hard in comparison to other classes
strange comet
enjoy sweat try to make dps?D while hunter doing same dps with 1 hand 😄
solar wyvern
having played havoc for my split toon this season id rather just play rogue
nothing exciting about pressing sweep and annihilation on repeat
strange comet
everyone in game inv balance dk and mage for example, after all those fallows and try hards if we could hit hard atleast
normal mist
But we do
strange comet
then we could get inv but stil after all those sweat we cant get inv like balances
if u do its good for u 😄
solar wyvern
fellas does is rogues do is less dps than dk?>??
strange comet
im 3.5k and its hard as fuk for me gto get in que
main bridge
there's always going to be someone better even if you play meta classes, so the best approach is to make friends so you don't need to pug
normal mist
fellas does is rogues do is less dps than dk?>??
FaKe!!!
strange comet
u play with sux dk where u stole all dps and u show it to me ?:D
tulip tiger
Hi I want a brain dead ret pally spec for rogue
solar wyvern
u play with sux dk where u stole all dps and u show it to me ?:D
that was just an ipa pull haha
normal mist
Charrend playing with amazing players
- you did better than them? They shit
strange comet
dont fallow anything
normal mist
You were obviously boosting him
strange comet
whatever im done with rogue, instead now i open balance hunter dk and ret and gear up all swear god never turn back to rogue
solar wyvern
gl 🙂
strange comet
suffer all my nerve system to suffer to be able to make dps 😄
solar wyvern
those specs are fun too
you'll be a bit shocked to find out that thers more to dk ret boomkin and hunter than 2 buttons
to do top dps
red schooner
He'll be back, they always come back 
strange comet
i play rogue since 2004 and i really love i did everyting i got glad tittle season 3 i do CE raids and many other thing only rogue
but since ive seen other classes how easy they are
i cant believe myself that i waste that much effort for rogue
coral ibex
tulip tiger
Then leave bro go play flavor of the month nobody is holding you here hostage
spice surge
that was just an ipa pull haha
This is honestly the worst part about playing assa
If theres adds youll do insane damage, if not its gg go next
New tier makes it worse since it amps singular focus even more 
normal mist
"oops I pulled extra hihi"
hearty reef
And doesnt amp dn energy
spice surge
Surely they fix nimble bugs on sub (or buff it even more) so i can play sub in keys instead 
gritty laurel
in fairness it just says "damage effects and damage bonuses by 50% while active" so i wouldn't expect it to buff the energy gain
hearty reef
Surely they fix nimble bugs on sub (or buff it even more) so i can play sub in k...
You wish
spice surge
I love the rogue fantasy of running away and hiding out of range or los while my tank gathers mobs because i dont want them to randomly target me and break my stealth so i lose the mark
golden loom
I love the rogue fantasy of running away and hiding out of range or los while my...
Hiding in stealth lowkey kinda real to fantasy
spice surge
On like the pull after big MOMMA, the inspectors can put you out of stealth if they jump to you, the earthbolt boys you pull onto first boss motherlode also have a random burst
spice surge
Hiding in stealth lowkey kinda real to fantasy
Yeah for sure, unfortunately its not particularly fun
golden loom
hearty reef
Yup not running subterfuge is ass
golden loom
I mean even then getting pulled out of stealth is aids
spice surge
Idk would be mostly the same even with, but ye you wouldnt lose the mark
Just ma and ic uptime
jaunty salmon
hey there, where can i see the current "bug list" on rogues abilities ?
main bridge
!bugs
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue
jaunty salmon
easy, thanks 😄
spice surge
hey there, where can i see the current "bug list" on rogues abilities ?
Assa doesnt have that many nor many big ones so theres no big list, but sub and outlaw has if you do !bugs in their respective channel
chilly sluice
is there a excel or something for what mechanics our defensives work on?
crisp stream
is the st energy starving still there or solved for assa?
main bridge
!design
prisma monolithBOT
Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.
Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.
marsh fjord
I like being energy starved
so i can watch people fuck up things in raid or m+
while waiting for energy
dense cedar
if enough people complain about the energy starving thing we're gonna get given a mind flay equivalent and its gonna suck
half light
so i can watch people fuck up things in raid or m+
so real
marsh fjord
real reconqnize real
rain mortar
I like being energy starved
I like feeling as though there is value to multi dotting things for energy. It’s a fun mini game. I don’t even know if it’s really worth it half the time but I do it anyway. Like the mobs that take super reduced damage on mugzee. Better believe outside of cooldowns I’m popping them with bleeds to try and get extra energy regent.
marsh fjord
I like feeling as though there is value to multi dotting things for energy. It’s...
Without jokes i also like it.
solar wyvern
I like feeling as though there is value to multi dotting things for energy. It’s...
iirc this was a .2% gain and thats if u dont miss any globals doing it be AWARE
rain mortar
iirc this was a .2% gain and thats if u dont miss any globals doing it be AWARE
Yeah I figure it’s probably not really worth unless you are playing flawlessly but I like it so I don’t care haha
blazing yoke
Hey there all! I'm trying to help one of my raiders improve his DPS. He has great uptime, but I don't know enough about assassination to know what to recommend he improve on for better throughput.
If anyone has any tips or is willing to log review, it would be amazing!
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Rfw7326vAbZJpGWr?fight=39&type=damage-done&source=2789
!log
golden loom
Hey there all! I'm trying to help one of my raiders improve his DPS. He has grea...
Hmm he didnt use trinket/pot on his opener deathmark for some reason
waxen oyster
3 dm casts in over 6min
golden loom
-1 trinket usage -1 pot on kind of a slow kill is a bit weirdge
waxen oyster
40% highroller uptime
golden loom
He is also overcapping a lot of combo points
Finisher on 5+ and only force 7 on darkest night good rule to follow
marsh fjord
@golden loom remember my logs a few days ago
his logs have the same issues that i had i feel like
But he does dry shiv atleast 😄
golden loom
Quite a common issue xd
marsh fjord
XD
brave comet
Finisher on 5+ and only force 7 on darkest night good rule to follow
how do you see this
terse brook
how do you see this
Wdym?
marsh fjord
he wants to see how much people are finishing on in logs
coral ibex
doesnt the log show seal fate procs
so you can figure out if he's pressing mutilate at 5+
rigid flicker
I've only been playing rogue a couple of months, but thinking of switching my main from Warlock to Rogue. My raid team is on break until next tier, so i have been doing heroic LoU on my rogue. Any pointers or suggestions? Is he ready for Mythic? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/z1AaRg8GPv2h6cK4?fight=3&type=damage-done
haughty flicker
how do you see this
go to resources and change it to combo points
that guy builds to 7 cp every time so not great
lethal arrow
how do you see this
You can also tell from how many mutilates he's casting between envenoms
And how little envenoms he's getting out
He's very prone to capping cp before dumping envenoms which is pretty wasteful
Like if u look at his second kingsbane after opener, he casts like 2-3 envenoms
Same with his ruptures as well, 3 mutilates + CTW for a rupture is a lot
icy geyser
hello. who can provide me a feedback based on my logs? I would accept any constructive criticism in order to improve my gameplay
short pine
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
icy geyser
!log
prisma monolithBOT
Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage
Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/
lethal arrow
hello. who can provide me a feedback based on my logs? I would accept any constr...
Can post it here and ppl around can help
frosty plover
What is "Pandemic" in WoW?
Pandemic is a game mechanic from the Shadowlands expansion (and continuing into later expansions) regarding damage-over-time (DoT) effects.
It allows you to refresh a DoT before it expires and extend its duration by the remaining time, up to a certain cap (usually 30% of the base duration).
This lets you “roll” your DoTs forward efficiently without losing uptime or damage.
What about Rupture?
Rupture is a rogue DoT ability that deals damage over time.
Pandemic Rupture means refreshing Rupture early to gain the benefit of extending its duration by the remaining time, maximizing damage.
"Don’t need to pandemic Rupture" means:
In some situations (like certain boss fights, rotations, or with specific talents or builds), you don’t have to refresh Rupture early to extend its duration.
You can let it run its full duration before reapplying, simplifying your rotation.
This might be because:
The extra complexity doesn’t significantly increase damage.
You want to prioritize other abilities or resources.
The fight mechanics or talents reduce the benefit of pandemic refreshing.
golden loom
how do you see this
Resources -> combo points -> table
icy geyser
Which is a bit of an issue
yea, don't bother with that, I don't do raid
lethal arrow
Oh ur asking specifically about m+ rotation?
icy geyser
yes, strictly M+
icy geyser
What is "Pandemic" in WoW?
Pandemic is a game mechanic from the Shadowlands expa...
I usually refresh rupture when it has <8s left
lethal arrow
Think u might just be under ilvls or something
frosty plover
I usually refresh rupture when it has <8s left
if i remember right it should be closer to 2-4 secs left. Could be wrong
lethal arrow
Just do it under 8
frosty plover
and only if the target is going to live for some time to get the full use of it
lethal arrow
But yeah depends on target hp
frosty plover
🙂
icy geyser
i see logs for 5.6m in cinder, whilst I was at 2.9m, with 675ilvl. but I guess the pulls make a big difference here right? there should not be 2.7m dmg difference from mistakes
and 10ilvl
frosty plover
Ive created some TellMeWhen icons that tell me exactly when I need to do rupture, when im over 5 CP and can use a certain finish ability etc. Helps here and there. Like only to use Fan of Knives with 3 or more targets in range, Crimson Tempest with 2 or more. Use Envenom after 4 CP etc. And yea basic UI shows them but not exactly when to use them meeting certain conditions. Just says when they are avaailable to use 🙂
icy geyser
I macro'd TT with shiv..is it ok? I see lots of red because of it
normal mist
I macro'd TT with shiv..is it ok? I see lots of red because of it
yes the TT shiv macro is correct
lethal arrow
i see logs for 5.6m in cinder, whilst I was at 2.9m, with 675ilvl. but I guess t...
bigger pulls, bigger dps
haughty flicker
I macro'd TT with shiv..is it ok? I see lots of red because of it
wowanalyzer is not up to date for assa
you can get some things from it but overall it isnt great atm
lethal arrow
yeah i wouldnt use wowanalyzer for anything atm
it still thinks echoing reprimand is in the game
icy geyser
ok, thx for letting me know
frosty plover
I know this isnt great but this is before I did TellMeWhen. Any quick thoughts on what i can do to correct? https://wowanalyzer.com/report/DXvtBJQzWFL79AVf/1-Normal+Stix+Bunkjunker+-+Kill+(5:21)/Dräconïs/standard/overview
oops
normal mist
You're probably better off using a WA pack
than TMW
I know because i myself use TMW
frosty plover
frosty plover
I know because i myself use TMW
lol. ummm ok 🙂 you dont like TMW?
normal mist
i do
frosty plover
so, unlink other characters, there is just a standard raid spec for rogue? not one for individual bossses?
somber sparrow
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DXvtBJQzWFL79AVf?fight=1&type=damage-done&s...
your first rupture was 12 seconds in, did kingsbane before deathmark, and no envenom before it. (your first envenom was 23 seconds in the fight)... I would definitely change your talent build to not be mythic spec (no crimson tempest etc)
waxen oyster
idk dh doesnt change any of their talents either 
frosty plover
do you have the build you could cut and paste here?
half light
But dh and rogue work differently, assa i think loses quite some dmg from m+ st to raid st
lethal arrow
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DXvtBJQzWFL79AVf?fight=1&type=damage-done&s...
you also dont have to press slice and dice anymore
amongst other things
red wolf
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
half light
do you have the build you could cut and paste here?
I think they are in wowhead lemme see if I can take it
somber sparrow
here's the last time I killed stix on heroic https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rc8pmD4xw9PjqaXA?fight=14&type=summary&source=7 could copy that build if you want
half light
Ah there it is lmao
frosty plover
your first rupture was 12 seconds in, did kingsbane before deathmark, and no env...
yea, I totally messed that up. I just hit 80 and am learning rogue. I noticed after i hit those in the wrong order lol. I thought i needed to have them on CD all the time but in fact youre right, i needed to hit after i applied my DoTs lol
waxen oyster
But dh and rogue work differently, assa i think loses quite some dmg from m+ st ...
No i’m talking raid
dh plays their ragefire talents in keys
frosty plover
here's the last time I killed stix on heroic https://www.warcraftlogs.com/report...
ty
half light
I meant that rogue does have to change talents for raid and for m+, I understood that the rogue player wasn’t changing talents and had M+ build in use
But if it wasn’t like that, my bad!
waxen oyster
that keys build is like
a hyperspecific one only for the highest keys
really shows people take random players builds with no context
half light
Ohh the hybrid one?
waxen oyster
the no garrote build
terse brook
Bleed build is better for lower keys or hybrid ?
half light
Lower go bleed
terse brook
I’ve been using both and I don’t see that much difference
red wolf
bleed
prisma monolithBOT
Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:
- If you have to ask, you should play bleed
- If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed
Some general concepts as to why people play different things:
- Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
- Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
- Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
- Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
half light
Wow fr?
royal lantern
there is no objective choice with assa builds in keys
frosty plover
so what build do you suggest then for M+ specifically? Care to share? Im always willing to learn
waxen oyster
Read the command
half light
Bleed build
royal lantern
if you have a arcane mage that does giga prio dmg and nukes the big target, playing a prio dmg build that needs a big target to stay alive so you can cleave in aoe is not really THAT great
half light
Unless rookery or 17+
red wolf
and the wowhead guide
waxen oyster
nah rookery on 10-13 you should not play cleave
frosty plover
I did research on different people in M+ and what they were using including using Archon, Warcraft logs etc
royal lantern
at the same time playing bleed for its big aoe blasting with a unholy dk + balance druid is not really great aswell cus you allready drown in aoe dmg
brave comet
like this right
waxen oyster
what never gets old is when i do a rookery for vault
royal lantern
so what build do you suggest then for M+ specifically? Care to share? Im always ...
overall its simply bleed, its the "Kinda best for most situation for the majority of players" thing
waxen oyster
and get a wtf in chat after ending the first pack at 20m
half light
Oh yeah that pack is lovely
waxen oyster
Demise go brr
frosty plover
overall its simply bleed, its the "Kinda best for most situation for the majorit...
would love to see your build if you wouldnt mind sharing 🙂 see where I went wrong
royal lantern
what never gets old is when i do a rookery for vault
doing a +10 key and enemys explode at 35% 
half light
I messed it up like 3 days ago because I came back to play m+ to help a friend get 3k
And forgot about the frontal, I ate it
waxen oyster
I did 10 without poisons on
royal lantern
would love to see your build if you wouldnt mind sharing 🙂 see where I went wro...
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
waxen oyster
lil oopsie
frosty plover
so you make no changes from those builds then?
Ive seen those biut normally people find improvements between when tehy were posted and now
royal lantern
wowhead has them
waxen oyster
improvements imply blizz gives rogue changes
frosty plover
can ttype worth shit today lol. meds are kicking in lol
frosty plover
improvements imply blizz gives rogue changes
lol true
somber sparrow
here is whispy'rs bleed build video from the pins, should def watch it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHB3zxwBuQE
frosty plover
will do ty 🙂
humble verge
paint me like one of your french girls
brave comet
I've only been playing rogue a couple of months, but thinking of switching my ma...
you dont need help
rigid flicker
you dont need help
Cool. TY!
brave comet
if you're underlevel, overall really doesnt matter much
i'd say thats especially true since youre 663, everyone is bis'd out
and have over 20 ilvls on you, so ilvl is the only statistical fair metric you have
and doing 97% is decent
rigid flicker
i'd say thats especially true since youre 663, everyone is bis'd out
i'M 676 NOW. AND FEELS SMOOTHER.
brave comet
really decent for someone learning the spec
rigid flicker
really decent for someone learning the spec
ty.
rigid flicker
I gotta be honest though. I see everyone talking about Rogue being hard, but i find it easier and more enjoyable than Warlock.
rigid flicker
Demo last tier and Destro this tier.
waxen oyster
Yeah assa is the easiest of all 3.
rigid flicker
rofl
waxen oyster
brave comet
all 3 rogue specs are kinda easy, people are turtles and so they see any amount of apm higher than 1 as difficult
normal mist
that's only for outlaw really
sub and assa apm's are really close
by that logic, fury warrior would be really hard xd
brave comet
sub has moments in which its apm is really high, then sleep for 40 seconds
brave comet
and active times too?
half light
I think so
brave comet
cause dead times of sub are really really dead
normal mist
and sub burst windows are really high from what i've come to understand
frosty plover
doing some reading, multi rupturing , is it only worth it with 2-3 targets? More? or just one and use Fan of Knives and Crimson Tempest instead?
half light
that reminds me of WoD, I was trying to play Assa in HFC and it felt so sorry compared to sub
normal mist
doing some reading, multi rupturing , is it only worth it with 2-3 targets? More...
m+ correct?
prisma monolithBOT
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
half light
it depends on your talents and the number of targets
brave comet
doing some reading, multi rupturing , is it only worth it with 2-3 targets? More...
what do you mean use crimson tempest?
normal mist
You want 5 stacks of scent of blood (5 ruptures) at all times if possible, more ruptures = more energy = more zugzug
crimson tempest up 100% of the time
assuming bleed build
brave comet
but yeah you just keep tempest up time at 100% and thats it
i hope he doesnt mean build with fok and spend with ct
normal mist
same
royal lantern
i had that in Elden Ring just right now lol
frosty plover
Crimson tempest is the finishing ability for AoE correct? so I guess i mean do you use FoK to build cp then use crimson after 5cp? or is multi rupture better
frosty plover
k
pliant remnant
You maintain Crimson Tempest
It's not "the finishing ability for AoE"
That's Envenom, with Caustic Spatter up
cunning scaffold
sub has moments in which its apm is really high, then sleep for 40 seconds
Yeah, the worst sub apm gets is about 120, but only for 4 seconds between flag and your first sectech with shadowblades. The rest is a bit sleeper
brave comet
crimson tempest and rupture are DoTs
normal mist
Crimson tempest is a dot that also applies in AoE, rupture is a ST dot, you want both in your targets at all times
brave comet
apply them, keep an eye on the timer, and refresh once the timer is almost out
its technically a finisher, but not spammable like envenom is
frosty plover
Caustic spatter is when you apply rupture and then use Mutilate . it spreads to 5 targets. How does it spread? using mutilate or ... I know I try to keep caustic splatter up as much as I can and trying to do the others you mentioned as well
brave comet
Caustic spatter is when you apply rupture and then use Mutilate . it spreads to ...
this includes envenoms
frosty plover
yes ... but reading the guide doesnt make sense to me... I learn better by communication and feedback. Doesnt matter what the subject.. its just how I learn better
normal mist
fair enough
you can only apply spatter to 1 (one) target
you cleave from that target
frosty plover
trust me, i read them but it only helps a little
to make it more clear, I cant read novels or stories etc because they are just words to me. I cant imagine what the charafters look like for example... after I watch a movie i can read the book and it makes more sense and more enjoyable
frosty plover
lol
Im not trying to apply spatter individually like I was curious about with rupture.
🙂
I just learn differntly then others
🙂
brave comet
kingsbane and envenoms are poisons, rupture isnt
frosty plover
right , I meant multi applying rupture
frosty plover
i know that
normal mist
When you come out of stealth, you'll have IC up for a while, that means your rupture and garrote will apply to your target + 2 other targets that are not affected by said bleeds
waxen oyster
most tanks are half afk
normal mist
Outside of IC windows, you manually rupture targets because bleeds good and you gain energy back
frosty plover
When you come out of stealth, you'll have IC up for a while, that means your rup...
kk. is that why they say to use vanish on cd then?
normal mist
no
frosty plover
oh lol
half light
kk. is that why they say to use vanish on cd then?
It’s a damage cd too
brave comet
just use your stealth button between pulls
half light
Because it triggers master assassin if you’re running it and ic too, but also silencing garrote if you run it
frosty plover
kk thanks. Sorry to be a bother but I appreciate the clarity
humble verge
i had that in Elden Ring just right now lol
maybe it is a gpu issue then
i might download elden ring just to see if i have the same issue lol
normal mist
kk. is that why they say to use vanish on cd then?
We usually use vanish for IC spreading if theres a giga pull and you were unable to go stealth before your tank pulled, which will help you zug zug, other than that you use it for more dmg if you're playing MA. I'm a pleb and i don't run high keys so i just use it for giga pulls IC spread
spice surge
If you have to choose between using it for MA or spreading bleeds slightly later you typically choose the bleeds
frosty plover
kk ty
spice surge
But obviously dont sit on 2 charges for too long
rose inlet
dry shivs hitting like a truck on ptr yeesh
fallow canopy
Theres an explanation about them on the wowhead guide
spice surge
Shiving for a big darkest night during lingering darkness, instead of holding for kingsbane
fallow canopy
That
robust pulsar
sometimes you can do it twice in a lingering darkness window
it depends where the cards fall on your darkest night / deathmark timing
spice surge
sometimes you can do it twice in a lingering darkness window
Shiv has 30s cd, so you cannot use two during lingering unless you dont use two during deathmark
half light
i guess they mean having 2 charges ready
spice surge
But you shouldnt
half light
then use one and then the other one, all within the window since shiv effect lasts like 10s
spice surge
Oh like getting two DNs
robust pulsar
if you delay the deathmark shiv slightly it can sometimes be your first global after deathmark expires
spice surge
Not 2 shivs
robust pulsar
you have 2 shiv charges, so the first of those two comes back with around 6-8 seconds left on lingering darkness
robust pulsar
oh true... my math aint mathing
probably going to be more common with the longer shiv duration next season too
waxen oyster
runic hinge
Anything is possible through god and anime
golden loom
No way to fit 2 darkest nights in 1 shiv even with updated duration from tier and perfect rng
robust pulsar
i didnt say fit in 1 shiv
golden loom
God is dead and anime is cringe
robust pulsar
i said fit 2 in darkest night during shiv windows
one shiv right after deathstalkers mark ends, another one before the 30s timer finishes on another shiv
robust pulsar
yes, and that first shiv takes place several seconds before the second one expires
golden loom
So it takes like 10-16 seconds or whatever for 1 charge to come back
Well dm is 16 seconds duration no matter what
And you either shiv global before or after (dependent on tier idk who cares) so that comes back 15 seconds after
Cause shiv cd is 30 sec
runic hinge
The extra combo points from forced induction is what makes a dry shiv. Otherwise it’s just a shiv with a DN in it. Even if say the extra duration after dm lasts into lingering
runic hinge
But idk if it even lines up that you would get DN right after dm
And I’m not gonna check
robust pulsar
yeah you dont get supercharger on the 1st one
golden loom
Well anywas u still one shiv for the backend of KB
potent lance
Assa is better or outlaw now ? For m+
buoyant herald
Like today? Or after buffs on ptr?
polar rampart
i think you can use either
pliant remnant
If you have to ask, it doesn't matter
Also kinda depends on what other specs you're playing with
midnight mist
Assa is better or outlaw now ? For m+
is assa or outlaw better on live
midnight mist
ye i mean my point is just that both are strong on live and its legit impossible to tell which is better even after months of people playing both specs
so
they fit into different comps
damage profile is vastly different
buoyant herald
Both good now, both unknown for 11.2 🙃 people just gotta chill out and roll with it
winged sun
Sin is bad in 11.2
The new tier set is far too dog for our class to be half decent
And not to mention it plays like a big ass mf
thorn thorn
Based ross
winged sun
Designed by ai or someshit
buoyant herald
Ah but is it better than outlaw? 🤔
midnight mist
Outlaw is back now I think
vivid lodge
iam sitting ehre at bandit mythic and my deathmark is doing almost no dmg
winged sun
Assa weak*
vivid lodge
what am i doing wrong oO
winged sun
Maybe more buffs
thorn thorn
iam sitting ehre at bandit mythic and my deathmark is doing almost no dmg
Post log
winged sun
iam sitting ehre at bandit mythic and my deathmark is doing almost no dmg
Idk why ur looking at deathmark dmg
thorn thorn
But in general the deathmark itself will do a negligable amount of damage, its damage is from the other effects it causes
winged sun
Its useless
Deathmark only gives faster kingsbane stacks and high lethal dose stacks
The dmg itself can fuck itself
We dont need it
strange comet
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
vivid lodge
i will post logs after raid, maybe someone is so kind to look at one. we did 4 boss kills and i sucked in everyone. normally iam a m+ player but my hc logs were not that bad.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/draenor/mygmá can anyone tell me why the fuck i suck ass . thx 😄
rigid flicker
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/draenor/mygm%c3%a1 can anyone tell me ...
Just from my uneducated eyes, it appears you are in your M+ spec not a raid spec.
half tartan
Sin is dead 😦 ⚰️
frosty talon
what to sim for m+ dungeon slice?
vivid lodge
Just from my uneducated eyes, it appears you are in your M+ spec not a raid spec...
? dont think the spec was wrong.
red schooner
Nah spec is alright
runic hinge
what to sim for m+ dungeon slice?
Yes
frosty talon
ty
balmy condor
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/draenor/mygm%c3%a1 can anyone tell me ...
- Take arterial instead of tiny toxic
- press envenom before your deathmark
- don’t desync cooldowns
- stop hitting rupture on everything you see you only need to rupture secondary targets if you’re low on energy
- you’re pressing fok way too much, it’s only used on 2 target if you have clear the witnesses or 5 targets without
- your second shiv is almost always late or missing entirely, which is also not helping your desyncing and late kingsbanes
That was just from Rik, lemme look at oab
rigid flicker
But he had CT and it should only be used in m+ for lots of targets with bleed build correct?
red schooner
But he had CT and it should only be used in m+ for lots of targets with bleed bu...
He wasn't running it in fights. If you go to each fight you can see the spec
It just shows the m+ build on the overall summary
rigid flicker
He wasn't running it in fights. If you go to each fight you can see the spec
Oh ok. So that doesn't show the spec at fight time. Good to know. Thanks.
balmy condor
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/draenor/mygm%c3%a1 can anyone tell me ...
Yeah on oab you also overcapped a ton of cp, I think it’s really just an issue of you doing like the first 30 seconds fine, and then things start to go downhill randomly, like you start having a ton of downtime, you’re pressing fok like 3x in a row, not pressing shiv, Kingsbane is like 6 seconds into your deathmark. Dunno what exactly is causing it but like the first 25-30 seconds and the last minute-ish of these pulls are completely different people
runic hinge
is there any reason to press envenom before mark ?
You press envenom before deathmark so your poisons stack up faster on kb
balmy condor
Just repeat what you did on your opener every minute, chill out on the foks, and be a little more deliberate when you’re sniping energy
Instead of this like idk, panic? And just hitting things
Also every now and then I see a mut or something on a reel assistant
Should always be hitting boss
The most you do for the reel assistants is just rupturing them and moving on with your life
vivid lodge
ok then thank you helps very much
half tartan
Is Hekili ani good for sin? For people learning?
royal lantern
well, the problem with those things (and same with the ingame rotation helper) is that they are decent if you wanna do allright, but actually LEARNING is a different thing
cus you kinda dont learn to play your spec, you learn to follow pictures
but the thinking why you do X is left out
if you just wanna hit buttons and not be dead weight, sure
but if you wanna actually learn your class/spec, you open a guide and try to memorize your basic rules and work up from there
main bridge
agreed - if you want to perform well and actually understand your class, then those kind of addons are not a good idea
also if that addon ever stops being updated or is disabled by Blizzard you won't know how to play your class anymore
chilly rock
So it is correct to ignore clear the witnesses on pure ST ?
humble verge
getting up there
idk if imma just drop my last 3 dinar on jastor or not
was hoping to do a reclear with this char
fast mural
Does anyone have Ptr Build for M+?
runic hinge
Builds haven’t changed
fast mural
The no garrote build?
runic hinge
I wouldn’t play that one but I don’t push super high
spice surge
The no garrote build?
!builds
prisma monolithBOT
Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:
- If you have to ask, you should play bleed
- If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed
Some general concepts as to why people play different things:
- Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
- Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
- Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
- Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
spice surge
Same on ptr, not much has changed 
fast mural
cool
echo crystal
Is caustic spatter around the rogue or the mob?
balmy condor
the mob
echo crystal
Ty! 
quiet oriole
I played ass this season. I was contemplating swapping to outlaw. I heard outlaw is currently outperforming on M+ and close in raid on the ptr? Anyone have actual numbers?
main bridge
did you mean to ask this in #assassination ?
quiet oriole
did you mean to ask this in <#316923750073499648> ?
Yeah i guess that would make sense sorry just used to chatting in here 😅
spice surge
Also not sure what you mean by "the numbers"
Theres no hard numbers
Tuning shifts all the time on ptr
quiet oriole
Also not sure what you mean by "the numbers"
Just people that have played on the ptr
spice surge
Trinkets havent been tuned
royal lantern
Just people that have played on the ptr
PTR numbers are literally always ussules
nothing is tuned, people are testing, stuff is bugged
quiet oriole
Yeah I just thought with it being close to ending it would be "less" buggy
haughty flicker
royal lantern
mate, ptr number just never said anything
and never will
nobody does or can play the ptr for numbers
stuff gets tuned every week, and then more when the stuff releases
bugs everywhere
quiet oriole
Fair im just restless i guess haha
royal lantern
people that go crazy over "X spec will be insane, look at the PTR" are the same guys that jerk about tier lists
like, look at literally every PTR ever
and wich spec was "insane on the PTR"
and then at logs 4 weeks later on the liveserver
runic hinge
where are the numbers
The numbers mason. What do they mean
spice surge
The numbers mason. What do they mean
Red number bad
Green number good
Hope this helps
royal lantern
Red number bad
Green number good
wow, green name racism
balmy condor
Red number bad
Green number good
mfw red green colorblind
spice surge
>mfw red green colorblind
Then all of your numbers will be mid
royal lantern
>mfw red green colorblind
uhm, akshualy red green colorblind means that its hard to see the difference bettwen both colors when they overlap 🤓
balmy condor
uhm, akshualy red green colorblind means that its hard to see the difference bet...
sorry can't read this cause I'm grey/white blind
spice surge
Brother you sure youre not just natty blind to everything?
royal lantern
sorry can't read this cause I'm grey/white blind
so thats why you dont review my logs
raw marlin
yo, is there anything in raid that is super giga bis or are us m+ semi-free from it?
main bridge
sim or check out wowhead if you're too lazy to sim
raw marlin
how can i sim the ptr when i dont load ptr
main bridge
oh i didn't see anything about ptr in your question
hallow glade
probably the 2min forge trinket
main bridge
i don't think we really know yet because there can still be tuning
hallow glade
assuming the crit trinket gets nerfed
raw marlin
oh i didn't see anything about ptr in your question
oh i just assumed cause who is still playing the game atm lol
main bridge
hallow glade
you also need boots from the council boss which dont drop anywhere else
raw marlin
do the boots have an aura that says 'instantly invited to pugs?'
hallow glade
that would require rerolling
raw marlin
dw i have my mage waiting
raw marlin
every class i play is never meta unless i am a tank then its always meta
hallow glade
rogue has been just under meta for a while now
raw marlin
yh ive mained monk and rogue
last few years lol
i know the pain
was forced to play mw in DF for a bit as it got so bad lol
hallow glade
higher likelihood of rogue in meta if priest/vdh get nerfed imo
main bridge
i'd rather not play than pug
balmy condor
asking if anything from raid is giga bis when PTR hasn't seen any trinket tuning
raw marlin
whenever i have played tank i just luck into meta tank for some reason
balmy condor
hallow glade
i mean surely boots will be
balmy condor
boots yes
raw marlin
asking if anything from raid is giga bis when PTR hasn't seen any trinket tuning
blizzard dont do tuning
balmy condor
aside from that though who fucking knows
thorn thorn
main bridge
i think people just don't like playing tank so you will generally get invited because they are much more rare than dps
raw marlin
i mean i also played bdk in SL s3/s4 and vdh everywhere else, its not like the tank meta changes
load VDH and you are 90% guarenteed meta spec
hallow glade
fatebound will be bad for sin and deathstalker will be bad for sub
am i prophet or what
raw marlin
if its a bear or prot war i just dont play the game
dont even like seeing them in my damn parties lol
weird people main those classes
thorn thorn
Everytime I have invited a bear this season its been a big mistake
Cuz I always get somebody that has like 7% uptime on ironfur and isnt using frenzied regen
hallow glade
Everytime I have invited a bear this season its been a big mistake
real aaf
haughty flicker
have you tried inviting twinks instead
hallow glade
bears are scary
thorn thorn
I wouldnt go that far
haughty flicker
raw marlin
ok sorry, its priest isnt it
thorn thorn
Pedo is Havoc
hallow glade
there are two types of druids, pedos and yet to be revealed pedos
raw marlin
havoc is just wannabe rogues
royal lantern
Cuz I always get somebody that has like 7% uptime on ironfur and isnt using fren...
why would you not use ironfur
its like 20% of your aoe dmg lmao
raw marlin
they prob think killing spree change is good lol
prisma cypress
havoc isn't the pedos, havoc is the pedo victims
thorn thorn
why would you not use ironfur
its like 20% of your aoe dmg lmao
Idk bro I didnt ask him why he wasnt pressing iron fur 
royal lantern
there are two types of druids, pedos and yet to be revealed pedos
maybe dont type shit like that in a open discord server :3
raw marlin
maybe dont type shit like that in a open discord server :3
tbf only druids that this applies to would get upset
royal lantern
Idk bro I didnt ask him why he wasnt pressing iron fur <:dracthyr_lulmao:1002321...
man, you can macro it to thrash/mangle and its fine
guardian rn is literally "if rage avaible, press iron fur, whats Maul?"
raw marlin
i reckon meta will be
vdh, priest, druid, mage, dk
royal lantern
tbf only druids that this applies to would get upset
no its shity edgelord "humor"
thorn thorn
man, you can macro it to thrash/mangle and its fine <:dracthyr_kek:1002454136706...
I wasnt aboutta ask or tell him
raw marlin
no its shity edgelord "humor"
you have uwu in your discord name though
thorn thorn
I was more concerned that he made it to 10s without pressing iron fur or frenzied regen
prisma cypress
in an open discord server! clutches pearls
royal lantern
you have uwu in your discord name though
what are you trying to say with that
are you fucking insane
thorn thorn
What is happening here
raw marlin
i stated a fact about his name
main bridge
thorn thorn
marsh fjord
people that go crazy over "X spec will be insane, look at the PTR" are the same ...
Can i jerk something else
prisma cypress
the best is when people choose their class solely according to what's broken on PTR a month before the patch
and then doom and whine about it when it inevitably gets fixed
jaunty matrix
nah
the best is when people choose their class according to the yapping streamers do
hallow glade
Can i jerk something else
royal lantern
but the streamers have no idea what the fuck they talk about
something something sub funnel
prisma cypress
i know i'm fucking old because i keep forgetting that streamers are actually influential
waxen oyster
the best is when people choose their class solely according to what's broken on ...
easy fix
play mage
always good
marsh fjord
good kitten
raw marlin
always good
that is what people said about rogues before
prisma cypress
i played mage last tier but i was frost 😦
jaunty matrix
mage is always good
marsh fjord
I feel like DPS spec's that only can go DPS need to be always good
royal lantern
mage is always good is a frking fact
like, thats not a dumb joke
its REALLY rare that mage is genuinely mediocre
mage is always good in raids and very often meta in m+
even warlock doesnt come close to it, because warlock tends to be Meh in m+ most of the time
thorn thorn
always good
And get random pings for stuff
raw marlin
I feel like DPS spec's that only can go DPS need to be always good
the problem isnt mage being always good
its vdh being always good
and raid buffs being dumb
in m+ content making mage good
potent turret
What does any of this have to do with assassination?
jaunty matrix
how do you guys feel about DKs losing their shit over it
tww is a dk expansion
main bridge
you're not gonna like it here if you think we're always on topic
royal lantern
ask a question about assa and we can talk about assa
potent turret
ask a question about assa and we can talk about assa
Are they gay?
prisma cypress
ask a question and someone will direct you to the pins or wowhead guide
jaunty matrix
prisma cypress
go ahead
potent turret
Assass players?
hallow glade
sometimes
polar rampart
AssX2
jaunty matrix
and whether fatebound gets reworked or not
thorn thorn
What the hell how did it somehow get more unhinged while I was gone
potent turret
Well I mean they have double ass
raw marlin
isnt a double ass just boobs?
polar rampart
isn't fatebound unplayable for both specs?
raw marlin
isn't fatebound unplayable for both specs?
id say boundfeet is playable
i dont get why feetbound isnt even a good hero talent
polar rampart
feetbound would be too op a hero talent, blizzard is scared
potent turret
polar rampart
we need to start a petition for them to rework it into feetbound
thorn thorn
raw marlin
@balmy condor can you petititon?
royal lantern
how do you guys feel about DKs losing their shit over it
its one of those things where they are technically correct because it IS a bit dumb that DK has grip as its raidbuff when grips are sometimes not used
but at the same time, its sich a pathetic outcry that you cant take it seriously
mfs act as if DK sees 0play when Unholy has this tier more logs then all 3 rogue specs combined while not even being that strong in raid, and rogue has a unqiue raidbuff
- the fact that TWW is a expansion where DK crushes everything its entire runtime lol
"ypu will never bring a DK if you dont need grips except on 1 fight!!!" is such a "heroic raider that watched world first" take, its insane in how stupid it is
royal lantern
Are they gay?
yes
prisma cypress
is feetbound like the chinese lotus foot thing
raw marlin
look we have established, druids are pedos, havoc are victims and rogues are gay
jaunty matrix
havocs are victims of what
jaunty matrix
oh
potent turret
potent turret
What are DKs then?
raw marlin
DKs are raid buffs
potent turret
Who do they even buff
hallow glade
potent turret
Themselves?
jaunty matrix
themselves
spice surge
i mean surely boots will be
Not even necessarily, cloak seems to suck right now so the boot effect is only like 0.3-0.4%, so If the stats on the boots and bad for your class it could just be neutral/not worth
jaunty matrix
Not even necessarily, cloak seems to suck right now so the boot effect is only l...
what
raw marlin
feetbound
jaunty matrix
cloak boots and ring will all be bis
potent turret
I guess?
jaunty matrix
and turbo broken
if they are not for even a single class
blizz will mega buff them
to be
its decided
jaunty matrix
if you don't have them and someone else has you're eternally behind with no way of catching up
spice surge
I mean the cloak is bis
balmy condor
okay well you guys have fun with that I guess
spice surge
But the damage proc isnt strong
raw marlin
okay well you guys have fun with that I guess
can i ask 1 serious question?
balmy condor
would be a first for you from what I've seen
haughty flicker
potent turret
OWNED
potent turret
because were not whispering?
royal lantern
why whispyr grumpy
he looks at this channel
jaunty matrix
make you happy
until you oversleep and then you jump out of the bed shouting "fuck"
hallow glade
i mean you can budget any stats on boots for sin so it having any additional damage effect makes it BiS automatically, no?
raw marlin
would be a first for you from what I've seen
what is the best ( not numbers but fun wise) season was rogue ever?
jaunty matrix
df s3 ?
raw marlin
why df s3?
royal lantern
i mean, fun is subjective af
potent turret
i mean, fun is subjective af
Nuh uh
jaunty matrix
whispyr has no opinion
haughty flicker
wiushasd
jaunty matrix
he is the sin hivemind
haughty flicker
bames jonds having a stronk
raw marlin
bames jonds having a stronk
bames jonds la feet boomer
potent lance
ye i mean my point is just that both are strong on live and its legit impossible...
Yeap i just wanna know which spec should i play next season xD i was main fire mage this season then i was main arcane for long time in this season and i hate this spec and gameplay i just wanna go back too my outlaw rogue for fun game play xD i was main outlaw in dragonflight
raw marlin
Yeap i just wanna know which spec should i play next season xD i was main fire m...
i would say best spec would be feral druid
potent turret
Yeap i just wanna know which spec should i play next season xD i was main fire m...
Survival?
raw marlin
3rd spec of dh would be bis
balmy condor
what is the best ( not numbers but fun wise) season was rogue ever?
tomb of sargeras
potent lance
i would say best spec would be feral druid
Realy?
raw marlin
tomb of sargeras
why?
potent lance
i have no idea
Lool
potent turret
Played it in season 1 warwithin xD
Hmmm fair. Then just play feral
raw marlin
wasnt there a ring in one of the blackrock raids where it like stored all your damage for 15 seconds then burst it all out or something? I remember seeing the damage meters be hilarious back then lol
potent lance
Hmmm fair. Then just play feral
i can play any spec and class btw not a high score player im 3400 io not going for 0.1% so i dontthink so be meta or not is that much matter xD
potent turret
i can play any spec and class btw not a high score player im 3400 io not going ...
Is feral meta?
potent lance
Just want a fun spec
potent turret
People that care for meta are pedos
potent lance
People that care for meta are pedos
Hahahah
balmy condor
why?
as a rogue you had an insane impact in raids cause everything required a soak and was cloakable, sub with death from above was fun, assa was doing big stuff with the shoulders, fights were interesting and hard but felt fresh, artifact weapons and legendaries weren't as cringe 3 patches in anymore
prisma cypress
i am once again nitpicking the wowhead guide (WA/macros/addons page has a duplicate sentence about weakauras2 and the wowinterface link points to curseforge)
thorn thorn
Why are pedos still being talked about, is this the fel hammer now
waxen oyster
that is what people said about rogues before
I mean when has rogue been bad
potent lance
Why are pedos still being talked about, is this the fel hammer now
They are rhe hated ones bro sick ppl fck pedos ❤️
balmy condor
wasnt there a ring in one of the blackrock raids where it like stored all your d...
hellfire citadel trinket https://www.wowhead.com/item=124225/soul-capacitor
haughty flicker
I mean when has rogue been bad
whenever i play it
waxen oyster
its been a long time since rogue was genuinely shit
haughty flicker
raw marlin
as a rogue you had an insane impact in raids cause everything required a soak an...
i only remember rogue being needed in everything due to skips lol
balmy condor
They are rhe hated ones bro sick ppl fck pedos ❤️
yeah but like why in here
potent lance
Fun spec... hmmm braindead ret?
Nahhhhhh pls i want lots of levels too use i love feels im doing damage not spammuing 1 button and being on top dps
potent lance
yeah but like why in here
i didnt start it xD
raw marlin
hellfire citadel trinket https://www.wowhead.com/item=124225/soul-capacitor
oh we should get this back lol
potent turret
Nahhhhhh pls i want lots of levels too use i love feels im doing damage not spam...
Enhance if you want piano class
potent lance
Enhance if you want piano class
yeah i was thinking about it i also played enhance in season 1 was fun
thorn thorn
I'm just saying
Whispyr if you could make 1 change to sin, hero talent or not what would it be
raw marlin
yeah i was thinking about it i also played enhance in season 1 was fun
honestly, prob more benefit just playing with a broken calculator than playing wow
waxen oyster
I like how everyone stopped playing enhance
royal lantern
I mean when has rogue been bad
nathria i think?
balmy condor
does rework both hero talents count as 1 change
waxen oyster
as soon as the spec didnt do 6m openers
potent turret
yeah i was thinking about it i also played enhance in season 1 was fun
Then thats what youre bound to play now. Cant change.
potent lance
honestly, prob more benefit just playing with a broken calculator than playing w...
Hahaha
thorn thorn
We can count it as 1 change yea
raw marlin
Then thats what youre bound to play now. Cant change.
you should main tank
waxen oyster
The class that annoys me super hard is dk
potent turret
you should main tank
Stfu
potent lance
Then thats what youre bound to play now. Cant change.
Hell yeah mets go gearing enhance for nwxt season in next season ythey still need good comp with PI from priest?
raw marlin
how does anyone die
oh so... that is because everyone who plays it is hmm... 6 letters long and starts with an r ?
really good
potent turret
Hell yeah mets go gearing enhance for nwxt season in next season ythey still nee...
I dunno. Never gave a fuck about where PI is good
thorn thorn
Hell yeah mets go gearing enhance for nwxt season in next season ythey still nee...
You type like you are either intoxicated or stroking out, are u good
potent lance
I dunno. Never gave a fuck about where PI is good
Ah they have a talent which give them haste in CD and if they be with a priest in gp they can choose another talent for more dps and get the haste on CDs from PI you lwarn something roday brother
prisma cypress
bro is on one
waxen oyster
One thing i appreciate is they actually have hero talent diversity
potent lance
You type like you are either intoxicated or stroking out, are u good
Im little bit drunk and not used too type alot with phone sorry about that❤️
waxen oyster
but stone bulwark totem is the worst 3min defensive ever
potent turret
Ah they have a talent which give them haste in CD and if they be with a priest i...
Thing is, I dont play enhance much so cant help ya. Just suggesting what I still had fun with even if I didnt master it.
thorn thorn
but stone bulwark totem is the worst 3min defensive ever
Totemic is pretty sick as rsham
potent lance
Thing is, I dont play enhance much so cant help ya. Just suggesting what I still...
Got it
prisma cypress
if you guys didn't play rogue, what would you play
potent lance
so i decided play outlaw most fun class in the game
thorn thorn
if you guys didn't play rogue, what would you play
Evoker
potent lance
if you guys didn't play rogue, what would you play
Mage/hunter MM
royal lantern
if you guys didn't play rogue, what would you play
another game
potent turret
another game
Bit edgy
prisma cypress
no
main bridge
no it's still good apparently
potent lance
Is frost dk cringe
Dk is completly cringe if you love mobility classes
royal lantern
its a simple spec
thorn thorn
Am I gonna be cringe for playing it I meant
main bridge
no probably gonna be owning
prisma cypress
last time i tried frost dk i felt it was kind of spammy but still very visceral
main bridge
someone in my m+ group is already prepping it as an alt
royal lantern
Am I gonna be cringe for playing it I meant
are you gonna complain about Grip and raidbuffs and say every 5min how your artifact should have been frostmourne?
if yes, cringe
haughty flicker
ok but dw frost was a mistake
royal lantern
wasnt dw frost a thing since basically forever
haughty flicker
and it was always a mistake
prisma cypress
thats kind of true yeah
haughty flicker
frost is 2h gigachad obliterates
waxen oyster
for anything
haughty flicker
anything else is wrong
waxen oyster
2h frost is for boomers who want to rp as arthas
prisma cypress
wotlk was the best iteration of dk. change my mind
haughty flicker
i didnt even play wotlk
main bridge
Arthas is badass who doesn't wanna RP as him
haughty flicker
i just know quality when i see it
deft shard
Isnt unholy better?
haughty flicker
according to unholy players the spec is dead because no spec with a target cap can ever be good ever
royal lantern
Arthas is badass who doesn't wanna RP as him
RP as a whiny brat that got corrupted by the first opportunity?
AND he was a Paladin, which makes it even worse
main bridge
every hero gets corrupted in WoW
waxen oyster
the real gigachad is garrosh
main bridge
it's a meme at this point
waxen oyster
who did nothing wrong
haughty flicker
cringe jokes about orc hitler doing nothing wrong aside, i respect that he never gave a fuck right up to the end
deft shard
according to unholy players the spec is dead because no spec with a target cap c...
True
royal lantern
garrosh didnt get corrupted, he just was orc hitler from the start
which is impressive
haughty flicker
they didnt pussy out of his story, he owned that shit until he got disenchanted
royal lantern
I mean why would you not mana bomb a human city
better idea
bomb a elven city
silvermoon still exists
could make a crater there
waxen oyster
better idea
bomb a elven city
they did that to themselves
prisma cypress
bomb whatever hole the vulpera crawled out of
prisma cypress
not as egregious
haughty flicker
gilneas is kinda cool though
prisma cypress
at least they have a human form
waxen oyster
that you never see
prisma cypress
true
royal lantern
original furry sin
tauren exists
waxen oyster
ghuun
haughty flicker
ghuun gave us a fantastic emote
that i cant use bc i dont have nitro atm
but that means he cant be a bad villain
royal lantern
i mean, ghuun is a normal "force of nature" enemy
royal lantern
makes stuff bad, you went and defeated him
royal lantern
a failed old god recreation
yes
waxen oyster
lowk it makes you think
why are all these titan keeper constructs
so suspectible to corruption
royal lantern
titans trying to learn how old gods worked and made their "own"->ghuun was the result, when they where defeated he just festered and slowly broke out
royal lantern
so suspectible to corruption
because they are near corrupting stuff for literally over 10k years
royal lantern
like, you have to remember that .ost titan things where not supposed to be endless containment cells
uneven plume
@balmy condor We got any 11.2 trinket sims?
royal lantern
the titans just got kinda forced away
haughty flicker
where numbers whippy
royal lantern
so now there are facilitys with automated systems that run for over 10k years and stuff starts to fail
haughty flicker
world soul turned into titan corrupted by sargeras
royal lantern
titans are manifestations of a planets soul, argus was the titan of, well argus
royal lantern
and extremely weakend cus he was used for the quick legion rez machine
royal lantern
are the most brainless people alive
boomkins exists
marsh fjord
was doing a 11 and a DK flamed me for not doing more overall with max IL but i was just running the high level key build because i couldnt be bother to swap to bleed
royal lantern
i mean, how is he supposed to know that
royal lantern
its cringe to bring up dmg when the key is going fine
royal lantern
im a 3900 rank IO rogue
everyone is
everyone also was in the #2 eu guild that killed ragnaros/LK back in the days, but on a different acc
marsh fjord
things dont even live long enough for my second shiv XD
did 4 million overall people are so crazy XD
thorn thorn
did 4 million overall people are so crazy XD
I wish my keys had people like this unironically
Most of the time I do 11s or 12s the overall ends up looking like this
marsh fjord
wtf 😄
thorn thorn
Suboptimal
haughty flicker
Most of the time I do 11s or 12s the overall ends up looking like this
i asked you not to post this wtf
thorn thorn
It was a top and we wiped 3 times to the last boss cuz the ret and rogue kept getting hit by the pigs
fallow canopy
the hated him because he spoke the truth
thorn thorn
the hated him because he spoke the truth
thorn thorn
the hated him because he spoke the truth
Im about to speak some massive truth tho unironically
@gritty laurel
fallow canopy
<:xla:1283127722180087808>
fallow canopy
Im about to speak some massive truth tho unironically
apparently even though its been months (?) the world ain't ready for that conversation
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> We got any 11.2 trinket sims?
12.0 even
thorn thorn
@normal mist
@humble verge
@rotund oak
balmy condor
We’re in the future bud
haughty flicker
holy pings
thorn thorn
holy pings
I have an obligation to upkeep a meme I started by accident
haughty flicker
no they add another hero tree thats equally as cursed
if not more
and dont fix either of the existing two
thorn thorn
Not feasible