What item level are you
#assassination
native turret
rain mortar
are there any transmoggy rogue things to collect while this increase drop rate thing is active?
humble verge
What item level are you
660 
deft shard
I'm below my normal self in dps than hekili and idk why. I think i got the spec but, their is something i must know and i dont?
worthy rose
may have to show us logs so we know how you are casting your abilities
theres some things hekili doesnt do right too
but if youre bored and you want to punch a dummy i believe the static rotation of hekili is close to perfect
assuming you dont have to move or do mechanics or use defensives
brave comet
tbf, he's a warrior
humble verge
tbf, he's a warrior
real
worthy rose
the true battle is to measure against an unholy dk
humble verge
unholy dik
brave comet
I'm below my normal self in dps than hekili and idk why. I think i got the spec ...
do you footage or a log we can look through
deft shard
do you footage or a log we can look through
i will link you my profile just dont check sub
humble verge
do i go for the back craft
@balmy condor chu think dawg
brave comet
do i go for the back craft
myth raid and kill the first 3 and get yourself a weapon
humble verge
myth raid and kill the first 3 and get yourself a weapon
getting carried through 6/8 tmr for free
:3
worthy rose
why belt not 701
worthy rose
laziness detected
humble verge
i need to grab circlet
honestly
such a huge upgrade for me
but its so ass to upgrade it
also its 4am
and i started up rs3
for no reason
worthy rose
i would have thought
crafting a helmet
would be bigger than the cape
cos helm can be critmast if you craft it
haste vers isnt really useful to assassination compared to crit mast
brave comet
but its so ass to upgrade it
use the bug and get it upgraded to max for free
brave comet
it requires a level 80 friend whos never been there
brave comet
you quest sync with him and then go there
worthy rose
i would probably in your position wait to get a hero chest drop from somewhere
and catalyst
no point wasting charges on a champion track
brave comet
and youll get the ring + an upgrade item
brave comet
quit the zone, and do it over and over and over
humble verge
aint gonna get my champ tiered
brave comet
but he must not go in the zone i believe
worthy rose
on the other hand
you probabyl want to set piec the champ gear
to get the mog
if you dont already
brave comet
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/hyjal/gobroyoll
after ambush you wanna garrote, if you dont have 5 points by then you mutilate again and rupture
after that you build again so you can envenom before you send your DM, and then send the shiv
and Kingsbane after
around here there should be a dry shiv
!dryshiv
!shiv
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
deft shard
i need to use this macro?
brave comet
not really im trying to find where whyspir talks about dry shivs
cause he would explain it better than me
deft shard
like dry shiv is shiv withtout thistle?
brave comet
after your DM ends, you get a buff to your envenom
during that buff your shiv will come up and you'll have darkest night
deft shard
oh ok
brave comet
you shiv and thistle on that darkest night so you can get a giga envenom
you do know what darkest night is right?
The dry shiv. With lingering darkness from deathstalker after your deathmark, you will recover a shiv charge in the last 10-15 seconds. During this time if you proc a Darkest Night, shiv into a 7cp envenom for a large darkest night hit. This is the biggest gain in single target out of everything above me.
deft shard
yea
ok so its a huge buff on the next evnom
so i need to shiv + thistle to boost the boost?
brave comet
just before your non-DM window Kingsbane you wait before kingsbane for 4 seconds
gritty laurel
tea isn't really a factor in dry shiv, just macro tea to shiv and forget it exists
brave comet
pooling energy and during this, you'll only have one shiv for this kingsbane
you use it in the last 8 seconds of this kingsbane window
its hard to tell what you do wrong with just this though, if you have a video of your rotation i can help you more
deft shard
i dont really have a video but thank you!!
i have a question like
do i need to always stay on 100~energy and then pool when i have cd
brave comet
no
deft shard
or like i stay on -30 and spam when i can mutilate and envenom
haughty flicker
only reason to pool is a few seconds before kingsbane
or if you know adds are coming up soon
so you can get slightly more spatter value
deft shard
but if i have 0 energy wouldnt it use tea when i do not want?
haughty flicker
yeah but you dont care if it auto procs
drifting cloud
keep in mind usually when people pool they manage to fuck it up more often than not, its not worth thinking about for what is nowhere near a 1% gain
brave comet
when I have 15 seconds left on my Kingbane cooldown, I usually start pooling energy and combo points until it hits around 11 seconds, from there i continue using skills until 4 seconds left
so you basically pool for around 8 seconds total and thats it
drifting cloud
their dots drop
brave comet
but theyre not wrong, you can just send your stuff if you want its like not a big of a deal
deft shard
ok so i can "spam" my spells and dont really care if it slow pace. i just kinda pool ~10s before kingsbane is up
brave comet
no
deft shard
ok i'm dumb xdd
brave comet
4 seconds before kingsbane and thats it
deft shard
oh ok
brave comet
make sure your envenom debuff is up before you send kingsbane
you should be about energy 100-150 when you send kingsbane
thats about 4-8 seconds of pooling total
brave comet
its really not a big deal you just need to be mindful of your DM-KB and dry shiv, and to follow the rules of
finishing with 5 points and 7 on darkest nights
and you're about 90% there
the rest is just luck
deft shard
ok so the really important think to idk how to summary$
when deathmark end i noo to do a big 7 envenom with shiv
brave comet
on darkest night
deft shard
yes
brave comet
and to set up your CDs properly
deft shard
ofc
brave comet
also change internal bleeding to caustic spatter on fights where there are ads
sharp turtle
Any reason why we don’t get tricks as sin?
lusty narwhal
Any reason why we don’t get tricks as sin?
?
brave comet
oh nvm
lusty narwhal
Yeah its a choice node
sharp turtle
I pull aggro in pugs :/
peak bobcat
Whispyr the guide writer is a known tricks hater
sharp turtle
I’m not at the computer, what’s the other talent on the choice node I’m assuming we take?
lusty narwhal
Blackjack
deft shard
i have taken a video of me on a target for 5m
sharp turtle
Hmm I do see tricks is taken for the m+ build. Maybe I’m just a dummy and didn’t see it
brave comet
i have taken a video of me on a target for 5m
share
brave comet
your first envenom, you could've finished at 5 and then sent dm - shiv + thistle then kingsbane
you dont need to spend envenoms at 7 if youre not at darkest night
brave comet
yes
deft shard
ok
brave comet
good fundementals
just make sure to pick caustic spatter in fights where there are ads
you took internal bleeding on stix which is not a single target fight
deft shard
yeah on which boss do i need to take the split?
idk very well when its worth to take it or not
caustic*
brave comet
all of this raid's fights have ads, so you can take the cleave build from the link above
on all fights except sprocket
deft shard
oh ok
i didnt know i needed to use it on all xd
i take raid cleave for all but not sprocket thats it?
brave comet
sprocket is a single target fight so its excluded, yes
deft shard
make sense
and the vanish is not usable?
just like a def to break a slow or something
brave comet
vanish doesnt matter unless you wanna move your deathmark
haughty flicker
np
deft shard
ive learned a lot thanks to you all
brave comet
yw
haughty flicker
L
balmy condor
I'm trying something new
balmy condor
and just ignoring stupid questions where I get pinged
balmy condor
I am immune to your ragebait
humble verge
drifting cloud
lucid silo
what % of a buff is an 8% buff
weary spear
@balmy condor why isn’t our 8% aura buff pinned? Vid when?
balmy condor
what % of a buff is an 8% buff
7.2%ish
subtle kiln
<@167090536602140682> why isn’t our 8% aura buff pinned? Vid when?
Cause you’re gonna get another aura buff and then he’d have to update the pin and the video. Too much work this far out from s3.
lucid silo
Cause you’re gonna get another aura buff and then he’d have to update the pin an...
i dont think he's figured out how to update pins yet
subtle kiln
i dont think he's figured out how to update pins yet
My guy can bowl a 300. He knows how to work the pins.
weary spear
Cause you’re gonna get another aura buff and then he’d have to update the pin an...
I’m trolling btw
dense cedar
Hate trolls in the discussion channels smh
static glacier
🙂
waxen oyster
i feel like sprocket is the boss of this tier
where you fight the urge to crash out at people in the raid
waxen oyster
nah theres a mechanic
golden loom
waiting for ranged just to figure it out
waxen oyster
its called your dk running into a trap early and killing half the raid
non assigned trap
gloomy heart
smite em down
static glacier
just reported it
waxen oyster
how did that guy survive being canceled
static glacier
because when it comes down to it
static glacier
people don't actually give a shit, they just join in group virtue signalling without understanding what it is to actually boycott someone
spice spire
@slate crown you around big dog?
haughty flicker
im so good at boycotting him i was doing it before it was cool
waxen oyster
people don't actually give a shit, they just join in group virtue signalling wit...
What do you mean people on twitter definitely condone wars across the world.
It's not like they stop as soon as its not on mainstream tv
static glacier
What do you mean people on twitter definitely condone wars across the world.
ask yourself
how many of the silent majority care
people care about wars and justice and everything
until it comes at any kind of expense to themselves
waxen oyster
When it gets them social meddia clicks
static glacier
it's why this keyboard activism shit is so rampant
waxen oyster
slate crown
!ban @royal trail Spam account
weary spear
Lmao
waxen oyster
anyway too off topic i just found it funny that guy is just walking around as if he wasn't in hot water less than a year ago
static glacier
if diddy can get out 🙂
spice spire
ty queen can't wait to run keys next week 
slate crown
Sorry I was slow I had to remember the syntax I always forget
spice spire
oh ya how dare you not remember the thing you never use
waxen oyster
are quakewarr keys real keys
slate crown
Yhey are!
waxen oyster
or monday night noleavers
spice spire
reporting you to the higher authorities (the piss boys)
spice spire
or monday night noleavers
they're like 12-14s
so not really
but kinda
but also
deadass haven't keyed in a month
slate crown
no you haven't
drifting cloud
but theres mounts to farm all of July
spice spire
yeah I logged in yesterday and one tapped invincible
tf else do I go for
my mount total is 150
the 150th being invincible
drifting cloud
the buff covers 45 in total!
drifting cloud
yeah theres an addon to track it
spice spire
I've been on a break ryler!
playing magic the virgining n shit
really gaining that virginity back
drifting cloud
I have 300 games in this set drafting you dont have to tell me
sacred schooner
yeah theres an addon to track it
what kind of addon?
drifting cloud
I dunno its called collectory bounty something
just qol tracking of what you have to do
sacred schooner
thanks
spice spire
I have 300 games in this set drafting you dont have to tell me
Dog I’m pretty sure I’m pushing 200 dog how
Also this is an all timer limited ngl
It’s so fucking fun
drifting cloud
not really no and I wfh not full time
spice spire
waxen oyster
mount this
spice spire
Trying king damn
zenith elm
Good morning fellow rogues
nova kelp
Good friday afternoon. The weekend is upon us.
zenith elm
Are you from the east ?
visual sun
may you have a blessed 8% 7.2% weekend ahead of you
zenith elm
Thanks man, it will be good
haughty flicker
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
quiet oar
Do you touch grass king?
No im Straight Edge
icy geyser
subtle tundra
assa buffed? so back
snow hamlet
So back
runic hinge
Still no catfish
zenith elm
assa buffed? so back
8 percent aura buff
subtle tundra
OLD VARAS PIC
panty and stocking season 2 IS AIRING
hype and aura?
nope
sex and prostitution
quiet oar
What are you talking about
quiet oar
Gamer Weebras
zenith elm
Now we know the truth
zenith elm
You're an outlaw
quiet oar
and you are a gooner
hearty seal
just as predicted, a flat aura buff, a holding pattern till 12.0
well, at least it's a pretty chonky buff, we'll see how things shake out in sims
zenith elm
just as predicted, a flat aura buff, a holding pattern till 12.0
well, at least ...
Some says its not enough, some says it is, we'll see
hearty seal
hmmm
with this new tier set, I expect bleed to fall off for M+, spatter will likely be king again
quiet oar
i fucking hate deathstalker btw
runic hinge
same
quiet oar
On gally
hearty seal
I hate Fatebound more
quiet oar
you cant be in stelath for the start
and i vanished but somehow it got canceled
and i had to wait 2 Minutes
TO USE MY FUKCING HERO TALENTKSFJNADJGNAIF
hearty seal
RIP
royal lantern
you cant be in stelath for the start
huh?
amber brook
just walk up and hit
quiet oar
thats the exact opposite of where i ahv eto be
zenith elm
Sprint
quiet oar
at
amber brook
but there should be enough time to get your mark in
zenith elm
Are you taking the gates ?
royal lantern
you stack witz everyone->when he gets pulled you sprint to him and hit
quiet oar
because i could use vanish anyways
But im scared because my ranges are menaces
and they pull
and i ambush
red schooner
Yeah there's normally ample time to get to your spot on the wheel of death after the initial melee
quiet oar
and i death or cheat
amber brook
tricks tank?
keen spruce
give akio cheese
hearty seal
why
keen spruce
yeah but have cheese
quiet oar
royal lantern
but you have cheese
hearty seal
is there
an actual point to having blackjack in raid?
quiet oar
give akio cheese
he got Pommes frites yesterday
royal lantern
you cant get hit lol
quiet oar
that were left over
red schooner
is there
an actual point to having blackjack in raid?
Works on the adds I guess
royal lantern
is there
an actual point to having blackjack in raid?
more then tricks tbh 
quiet oar
The thing is i never thought about that
i just went straight to the position where i have to be
and vanished for ambush
because vanish is cosmetic anyways
hearty seal
more then tricks tbh <:dracthyr_kek:1002454136706580620>
I mean, kinda fair...
red schooner
Find a reliable ranged in your quadrant, hit boss and shadowstep
Unless your ranged are all maniacs
golden loom
I mean you dont have to shadowstep what
quiet oar
He also belives in Santa
golden loom
on pull just wait for circle to appear -> sprint -> ambush opener stuff while moving into position
red schooner
I mean you dont have to shadowstep what
You can also just walk but, its more stylish this way
If I had the ability to teleport places then I ain't fucking walking like a peasant
hearty seal
but seriously I feel like Fatebound is probably
the worst hero talent spec in the game overall
theme, SFX, mechanics - it's all trash
and DS wins off theme and being only half garbage mechanically
quiet oar
but yeah that would be an solution
but my point stands
only being able to activate your hero talent
every 2 Minutes
Is garbage
red schooner
Missing the fatal intent stacks, why live
quiet oar
like
just but deathstalker mark
on idk
shiv
or something
well no
dont do that
hearty seal
yeah that'd be bad
runic hinge
make it a self buff
hearty seal
true
but obtained in what way
"entering stealth", perhaps, if the current design was to be preserved?
no 1 min timer, just stacks
quiet oar
That would work yeah
As self buff
you wouldnt have the problem
of getting out of stealth
and not having deathmark on it
Deathstalker Mark
why does it have to be almos thte same name
hearty seal
creative bankruptcy
sudden brook
anybody do testing on sin
worn geyser
ye , first 3 bosses as sin are pretty good, still mega gapped by hunter, spriest and balance tho
they felt pretty good tho, fights were fun
quiet oar
Numbers will be tuned
zenith elm
The rest didnt feel that bad
balmy condor
anybody do testing on sin
no
spec sucks
or so I'm told
by ravenholdt #assassination channel
every waking minute of my miserable existance
tall jay
Heard we got a buff lol
quiet oar
by ravenholdt <#316923750073499648> channel
So the usual
zenith elm
Do you not live in the US @balmy condor ?
zenith elm
Whispyr is always down bad when he looks into RH
True true
red schooner
He does but also his sleep pattern is wild
balmy condor
I wore my gf's apple watch for a week cause she wanted to see my sleep data and it said I sleep an average of 4 hours a day with a sleep time between 3am and 7am and a wake up time between 7:45am and 2pm
and she looked at it, tweaked out a little
and I've never worn it since
quiet oar
haughty flicker
quiet oar
I wore my gf's apple watch for a week cause she wanted to see my sleep data and ...
What would be also ineresting
WHat your Sleep schedule looked like, when you are in germany
balmy condor
more normal cause my grandma calls me slurs if I'm not awake for kaffee
red schooner
4 hours a night sounds like death
royal lantern
more normal cause my grandma calls me slurs if I'm not awake for kaffee <:garf:1...
most normal grandma behaivor tbh
balmy condor
4 hours a night sounds like death
not when your blood is equal parts water and monster
red schooner
not when your blood is equal parts water and monster
Water and 'water'
quiet oar
more normal cause my grandma calls me slurs if I'm not awake for kaffee <:garf:1...
Kaffee not tee?
red schooner
I think I'm getting old, more than one monster in a day and I get twitchy as fuck
quiet oar
Maybe tee is an local thing here
red schooner
Well, twitchier than usual
balmy condor
Kaffee not tee?
kaffee und hefezopf
royal lantern
Yeah i think tea time is a local thing here <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
Ostfriesland has one of the biggest tea cultures in the world btw
royal lantern
like, holy shit they drink that ALOT there
balmy condor
wegen dem wetter, nicht die leute
quiet oar
Ostfriesland has one of the biggest tea cultures in the world btw
And thats where i live
You dont ahve to tell me
royal lantern
LOL opfer
royal lantern
zenith elm
I'll start speaking french belgian if you continue
quiet oar
For French you have to enter Outlaw channel
Sin is german territory
im sorry bring that to you
sharp viper
more normal cause my grandma calls me slurs if I'm not awake for kaffee <:garf:1...
Kaffee 
sharp viper
What is the sub language then?
"Harder, daddy"
lone pasture
thorny kraken
o wow some rogue tuning for the new patch
sharp viper
Yeah I somehow get mad at flat aura buffs
thorny kraken
it feels low effort
sharp viper
because it is
thorny kraken
i would love to see some fatebound changes so we can actually use the interesting tierbonus 😛
sharp viper
Warlock gets more tuning in a single PTR iteration than all rogue specs combined over several
quiet oar
Warlock gets more tuning in a single PTR iteration than all rogue specs combined...
I remember the Patch notes
where literally every class
got a whole poge of the biblbe
and rogue got 2 lines
thorny kraken
i would like to play fatebound at least once this expansion 😛
sharp viper
it was playabl eon sprocketmonger
sharp viper
also playable as Outlaw last season
thorny kraken
yeah.... outlaw aint my thing
thorn thorn
@humble verge I am fighting an ear infection rn and i think its actually more painful than playing outlaw
static glacier
I remember the Patch notes
every patchnotes amiright?
sharp viper
every patchnotes amiright? <:besad:507266809431326729>
we sdhould be grateful for every single line we get
even if it would just read
We are aware that rogues somewhat exist
lethal mortar
whats the ptr m+ build
earnest remnant
lethal mortar
is it just full crit mastery
winged sun
is it just full crit mastery
10-12% vers minimum for the dr value without losing dps much and the rest whatever the fuck just avoid haste assuming ur playing high m+ build
lethal mortar
hmm ok
winged sun
Double shiv will easily dominate next season so
No subterfuge builds will easily shine
lethal mortar
so i should take lightweight shiv?
winged sun
Just play bleed build and see how it feels for you
It will need haste more than crit
Sim urself on bleed build
astral current
so according to just plain % buffs to sin we're in literally ideal balance rn?
normal mist
Who knows
strange tundra
fluid zodiac
well, putting the design flaws aside, sin was already doing a bit above average damage
8% across the board is a lot of damage
i think we will top a lot of meters
but again, that does not account for bugs or the design of the spec, just raw numbers
i personally like how sin plays, my only gripe with the spec is the need to re-stealth to spread dots and to apply mark, also keep track of the marked target on m+ but that is a skill issue on my part
subtle tundra
good thing theres still a month until raid and plenty of changes can still happen, and then more after patch is out
golden loom
good thing theres still a month until raid and plenty of changes can still happe...
Are you playing or did you quit for real?
fluid zodiac
i honestly don't think we will see any big design changes anymore, be it changes to the tree or how it plays
just tuning
less than a month to release
subtle tundra
Are you playing or did you quit for real?
i quat
subtle tundra
i honestly don't think we will see any big design changes anymore, be it changes...
i didnt mean design changes, number wise only
but things like cold blood functionality change can still happen
fluid zodiac
i honestly don't think so. They put a lot of resources on making the DK changes. At this point i really believe only changes we will see is tuning
wich is ridiculous to say, blizz have billions and its the only game i know where i need to buy expansions, pay monthly and STILL has a cash shop
but it's pretty obv they don't have enough people to cover all things as it should
also the engine is ancient, it can be pretty hard to hire for it
not justifying blizz, again, billions of dollars
but what can you do?
shy axle
i just hope they delete the fatebound selfnerf part of the talent
and cb i guess
what did zeros mean with the double shiv builds will shine on combination with no subterfuge builds? I am just not understanding it as the bleed build has 2x shiv as well
dense cedar
did u mutilate
lethal mortar
does this breakdown look right
lethal mortar
yea
dense cedar
not sure then haven't played that build much
royal lantern
well, putting the design flaws aside, sin was already doing a bit above average ...
what desing flaws
hero talents? yeha sure, but thats hero talents
marsh fjord
Wondering if we would get new hero talents in midnight or just the same 😄
indigo mulch
From what i understand we keep them.
Who knows, they might release more info at games com germany though
marsh fjord
It's pretty close by for me im from holland otherwise i couldnt either
fluid zodiac
From what i understand we keep them.
wasn't hero talents an evergreen system? meaning, hero talents system stay, but the talents itself might change?
shy axle
yeah its evergreen according to them
gusty mirage
<@192059095279337473> do your job <:garf:1320173032743899157>
What’s my job
golden loom
What’s my job
was some bot spammer that needed to be sent to the shadowrealm
zenith elm
Oh no i never see bot spammer 😦
zinc vale
sup bros
red schooner
What in the fuck
normal mist
Have you ever thought about moving from the sun?
zinc vale
not yet
lunar pond
That is like desert weather in the US
iron carbon
My CPU temperature
iron carbon
If Royal is happy, So I am
normal mist
If you are, then I'm even more
iron carbon
Infinite loop of happiness
zenith elm
I am happy
normal mist
Infinite loop of happiness
Recipe for success
iron carbon
We're so successful
ocean quiver
For the challenge with assassin rogue I was watching a yt video and someone said enhancement is the easiest spec for that challenge, would anyone say assassin is better if they have done it?
I don’t have enhance levelled up nor have I played it since shadowlands until level 22 lol
iron carbon
I think he does
restive hawk
For the challenge with assassin rogue I was watching a yt video and someone said...
Dont know if they changed scaling but in DF you were able to just 100-0 burst the challenge without any special gear
royal lantern
For the challenge with assassin rogue I was watching a yt video and someone said...
well i did it as assa because im a assa main and can play it way way way better then i could ever play enh shaman lol
royal lantern
Dont know if they changed scaling but in DF you were able to just 100-0 burst th...
cant really do it THAT cheesy anymore
spice surge
Ive heard the symbiosis darkmoon deck and embellishment aint scaling down properly
So you can have infinite stats using those
ocean quiver
Dont know if they changed scaling but in DF you were able to just 100-0 burst th...
Oh dang I’ll give it a go
I mean I’ve done 5 challenges so far
4 of them I was able to do in like 2 attempts
iron carbon
Never did that stuff
ocean quiver
I just can’t do the healer one feels impossible
cinder mountain
!builds
prisma monolithBOT
Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:
- If you have to ask, you should play bleed
- If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed
Some general concepts as to why people play different things:
- Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
- Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
- Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
- Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
iron carbon
I'll prolly give a shot one day
cinder mountain
is everyone above 17 now playing zeros cleave build?
normal mist
E Z mount
normal mist
is everyone above 17 now playing zeros cleave build?
No
humble verge
wait
cinder mountain
I started playing rogue few weeks ago, currently I’m finishing all 16’s, I’m wondering what is the best resource to learn about cleave to prepare for next season
humble verge
who is it again, that did all 12 keys really late into this patch again
i forgot who it is
normal mist
I did
serene mason
HDR? 😄
normal mist
to whenever you did anotehr 12 or
Hmmmmm probably not. I did it as a warrior
humble verge
im 100% it was an orange role
dim rover
any one know my rotation on M+ with this one ?
dim rover
That's the standard bleed build iirc
yeah but I want to know the rotaion on group and singel target I think Im doing it wrong
normal mist
Muffinman is right
dim rover
can you share me the link please
marsh fjord
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
dim rover
Wowhead.com
😂
humble verge
nah
golden loom
can you share me the link please
in the guide, go to rotation -> scroll down here and fill in stuff
golden loom
and then u can scroll down even further for the AoE stuff
dim rover
in the guide, go to rotation -> scroll down here and fill in stuff
i found it cheers
marsh fjord
wasnt oxi or stealthi
I doubt it's me. but i was finishing all 12's. but i think that's just coincidence
humble verge
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm guess imma craft chest, ring maybe the trinket even if i dont get anything good in vault
humble verge
I doubt it's me. but i was finishing all 12's. but i think that's just coinciden...
no it was a community figure i know
or someone with better colooorrr
marsh fjord
Why does it matter btw?
humble verge
because i wanted to check if they were done or not
marsh fjord
Ahhh oke
marsh fjord
Could type in the search finishing all 12s and see if something comes up
humble verge
ocean quiver
Ive heard the symbiosis darkmoon deck and embellishment aint scaling down proper...
worth using those over HoC?
for burst or nah
iron carbon
Image =/= file
cinder mountain
where can I read more about high level keys build not using improved garrote for example, it seems to me all resources didnt take it into account
iron carbon
but file indicates its most of the time an image
I was sure it was attachment
golden loom
worth using those over HoC?
current lvl stats in scaled down content very good by the sounds of it
spice surge
where can I read more about high level keys build not using improved garrote for...
Theres no gameplay difference
humble verge
Image =/= file
changing it didnt give any different results tho lol
spice surge
Its just like the hybrid one in the wowhead guide
Except you obviously cant cast multiple garrotes in IC as it has a CD
ocean quiver
current lvl stats in scaled down content very good by the sounds of it
Yeah I just heard that the trinkets from darkmoon don't scale properly or something so was checking if HoC is worth swapping over or having big burst would be better not sure
iron carbon
changing it didnt give any different results tho lol
Sadge
iron carbon
I started playing rogue few weeks ago, currently I’m finishing all 16’s, I’m won...
Sticking on hybrid cuz I don't like bleeds but bleeds playable until 20+
ocean quiver
I started playing rogue few weeks ago, currently I’m finishing all 16’s, I’m won...
how you getting into them tho
ocean quiver
REAL
caps
keybind
just 1 shot the rogue challenge
so ggs ig
shame that the healer one is impossible
main bridge
skill issue
ocean quiver
skill issue
real
It's the stupid aoe fan of knives the mobs do
and like 1 tick of it kills my rogue
and there's 2 of them doing it at the same time
main bridge
what happens when you stop them
ocean quiver
what happens when you stop them
My team are 1hp and die the next global
cinder mountain
Except you obviously cant cast multiple garrotes in IC as it has a CD
yea, this is why I mostly didnt go further with reading because even basics like this weren’t taken into account so wasnt sure about advanced caveats
crisp sluice
Question: do we ALWAYS want to shiv before proccing darkest night? Like if I have full cp should I throw the shiv anyway
iron carbon
Question: do we ALWAYS want to shiv before proccing darkest night? Like if I hav...
Only with lingering darkness
And yes, shiv isn't used for cp
But, if you're not capping energy, just wait ur shiv for proccing it
golden loom
Like ofc you would rather use the shiv to build combopoints aswell, but ur also fine overcapping to dry shiv
iron carbon
Yes
crisp sluice
Got it ty ty
I feel like rj the spec is kinda cooked cause if you don't hit those big 18m envenoms you're cooked
iron carbon
It's a 0,5 %
iron carbon
dry shiving is like 0.5%
You so slow
golden loom
smoge
iron carbon
Luv ya
crisp sluice
Ty ty
iron carbon
If you missed the lingering darkness window, just use it with next kb
crisp sluice
Im just struggling rn cause there's pulls on mugzee where im parsing 80 and others im 20 and its just like rng to my envenom crits
iron carbon
Hmmm prolly not
dense cedar
likely just uptime issues
iron carbon
If it's not on kill, it will depends timing
dense cedar
that also
iron carbon
If you wipe 20 sec after cd or 20 before, you'll be 80 or 20 also
crisp sluice
So k last q
On my first big envenom with opener to prroc darkest night, im holding the 2nd shiv for lingering darkness aka after deathmark expires or im using it rigut away to proc darkest night
Like ambush rupture mutilate enveom shiv tt deathmark envenom mutilate mutilate envenom
Then im full cp with proc
iron carbon
No
crisp sluice
Should I send the 2nd shiv then
iron carbon
During DM, you just send shiv for whole duration of KB
crisp sluice
Aite got it got it ty ty. Do we still care to wait last 6 sec of kb
Or thst is irrelevant
iron carbon
After this, the next shiv you get back, you use with DN and Ljngering Darkness buff to proc it as a 9cp envenom
crisp sluice
Ty ty 💙
iron carbon
Then you'll have one shiv for solo kb than you use for 8 last second of it
Repeat the cycle
crisp sluice
Thank you again 💓
runic basin
the 8% are not enough compared with other meele dps or im wrong?
plush umbra
It's the stupid aoe fan of knives the mobs do
stopping those casts is mandatory. Druid can just typhoon/mighty bash, monk can leg sweep/paralysis, shaman can stun totem/thunderstorm, paladin can blinding light/hoj/turn undead, priest can shackle
ocean quiver
There's so much going on that it's hard lmao
plush umbra
the entire healer one is just a case of planning out when are you using what stops and what healing cd's
ocean quiver
like i'm being chased and getting 3 hit I die
so I have to kite him
but then I have to stop both casts
and if both are far away I cannot deal with both
plush umbra
2 fan of knives usually kills stuff yes, one fan of knives is healable for all healers with just a cd
sleek spear
hey guys just starting to gear assas rogue, which trinket is BIS and my 1st priority to get with the puzzling cartel chips?
i see on wowhead is these 2 trinkets. which one should i prioritise first?
iron carbon
Check the gear section
You'll get more information about it
Cuz these are "overall bis" But you'll prolly have Priory trinket MM track easier than HoC. And Eye is good for long fight, Floodgate one is better overall
And easier to have in MM track
shy axle
house of cards or signet + pacemaker is probably the best thing you can buy, eye is dependable on fight lenght
static glacier
hey guys just starting to gear assas rogue, which trinket is BIS and my 1st prio...
house of cards = signet of the priory for active
passive is seaforium pacemaker or if you're lucky hero track mechano core is pretty good too
iron carbon
Tbh, I would just buy HC gally ring, then MM Signet/Peacemaker
sleek spear
Tbh, I would just buy HC gally ring, then MM Signet/Peacemaker
i have 9 puzzling cartel chips to spend on
so buy the gally ring -> MM signet then?
iron carbon
Yes, i told 3 items
sleek spear
awesome! ill do that then
iron carbon
That's my opinion, but it means you're able to do all 12 more or less fast
I don't know you current level and how hard it is for you
sharp turtle
if i have a myth dagger and i need to craft a dagger 681 with an embelishment, is it okay for the crafted one to be on offhand?
main bridge
offhand is lowest priority, but i am sure your sim already told you that
sharp turtle
fook so put the 684 myth dagger on offhand then
peak helm
best to use house of cards on cooldown or hold it to match with deathmark?
spice surge
Macro to deathmark
sharp turtle
offhand is lowest priority, but i am sure your sim already told you that
you know python btw?
i need to make a bot
sharp turtle
good idea, i will look for it
main bridge
spice spire
discord.gg/python
Nice try bucko Ik ur scamming me rn
weary spear
fook so put the 684 myth dagger on offhand then
Offhand being lowest priority means you want your lower ilvl dagger in it
sharp viper
fook so put the 684 myth dagger on offhand then
highest ilvl always in mainhand, crafted 681 goes to the offhand if you have a 684 dagger
sharp turtle
ahhhh okay, i thought it would be the case but since it would have an embelishment i wasnt sure if it would change anything
iron carbon
We put craft dagger in offhand cuz we assume we will have full 684 everywhere else, so we craft less good slot in craft
But, you prolly won't have MM track every slot if you start gearing now, so just craft items that upgrade the most
That's stupid micro optimization btw
sharp turtle
discord.gg/python
python discord is useless, they arent allowed to help with what i need
severe silo
Could someone help me with my raid rotation? I did it in POV to find out what I'm doing wrong. Although I don't have the full raid buff, my damage was still low.
shrewd night
Link logs linstead
severe silo
kk
iron carbon
HC ?
iron carbon
It's pug, your damages won't have any sense
severe silo
I don't want the damage, to know if there is something I can improve in the rotation
iron carbon
You complaining about damages
main bridge
python discord is useless, they arent allowed to help with what i need
rule 5 unlucky
iron carbon
But sure, someone will prolly check this, I can't right right
sharp turtle
rule 5 unlucky
i know lol, luckily i didnt get kicked for asking
sleek spear
i have 9 puzzling cartel chips to spend on
what is a MM signet and Peacemaker?
severe silo
You complaining about damages
No, I just want to know if I'm doing something wrong. To improve for the new season, I'd like to try to progress to Mythic with my Rogue.
iron carbon
No, I just want to know if I'm doing something wrong. To improve for the new sea...
It looks like complaining but that's okay
I see you miss a KB
sleek spear
house of cards = signet of the priory for active
ill get house of cards this week, i mainly play solo not M+
prisma monolithBOT
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
fallow canopy
unless you had god barrels spawn everytime where all 4 barrels + the boss were in a cluster
iron carbon
I don't see fok
Oh, I'm on boss targeted
Need to check on computer mobile wlog is cursed
sharp turtle
whats our blue X looking ability called?
iron carbon
Mutilate?
severe silo
I think so
fallow canopy
severe silo
xutilate
shrewd night
I was thinking of shiv 
severe silo
I thought of a feint
iron carbon
royal lantern
@balmy condor
severe silo
Should Darkest Night always have three supercharged combos? Or is it not that relevant?
royal lantern
not relevant
iron carbon
Wdym
royal lantern
you ignore that supercharger exists
iron carbon
Relevant part of it is the lingering darkness
winged sun
The relevant part of it is shiv
iron carbon
Shiv > envenom with lingering darkness and DN
winged sun
You will have it lined up
So thats not something you should totally think about
Besides
You can envenom at 5 cp
Dowsnt have to be max, also neutral dps gain
Ideally you’ll want to avoid wasting the superchargers on normal envenoms but you can’t really play around this as much as u think u can
Its quite rare that you have total control over this
winged sun
Yes
winged sun
And why would you do that on 1 as if ur gonna get double darkest nights
Its irrelevant
1 and 0
Are the same
winged sun
Me trying to remember my gameplay, i do heavily force supercharger on darkest night, sure but 1 vs 0 marks up is the same
U can get fked by it tho
Sometimes u wont be able to send a shiv on DN inside of lingering
But that wont happen that often
iron carbon
Yes, I was just curious to see if there's a difference
To have the shiv buff empowered by lingering
- having dn supercharger proc
iron carbon
Lemme be back at my computer
winged sun
Im assuming you already know all the sin minmaxes, im surprised your asking about this in tc channel because its a basic thing within our normal rotation
iron carbon
no computer time for you young man
Later mom, plz
iron carbon
Im assuming you already know all the sin minmaxes, im surprised your asking abou...
Tbh, I was just shiving the Dn proc when Lingering up as told by whispyr on his pin
winged sun
Brother
I have no idea what ur talking about
Did u open wowhead one day
Because it has all the info you need
iron carbon
Dont be rude plz
static glacier
Can we lube up the shiv?
winged sun
Can we lube up the shiv?
iron carbon
I'm asking something diff
Wowhead just say : Press shiv when LD and DN up to buff next envenom
I was asking if shiving with these conditions is a dps improve : Press shiv if DN up or mark = 1 and LD > 8 sec
Cuz in the first case, you can have the 2 condition met with 3 sec left on LD
So you're sure to profit from 2 envenoms buffed by shiv and LD, one classic and one buffed by DN proc
Prolly irrelevant
Just asking if numbers has been done
winged sun
Idk, you have 30 seconds and u only got ur DN after 28 seconds?
fallow canopy
Can we lube up the shiv?
get it wetter
iron carbon
Sometimes I got DN up but not shiv and i'm capping energy
winged sun
U can always pool you dont have to spam ur buttons
iron carbon
Lust + Cd + double tea situation
But if your assessment is : It should not happen, you bad, stop thinking about.
I'll take it mate
winged sun
Me bad ok
frozen glacier
zeross you beating tanks yet on the ptr?
frozen glacier
20% buff blizz
iron carbon
Last 2 seconds if it happens idk if its a dps gain or a loss
I guess it's more a playstyle feeling
Won't be relevant in all case
iron carbon
Yeah, I'm prolly just bad then ahaha
All just conrtol to rupture out of shiv and DN
At least, I try
winged sun
You dont have to strictly rupture in the pandemic
winged sun
You dont have to strictly rupture in the pandemic
Idk i hate giving this advice because its so situational
iron carbon
Yeah, I put earlier to avoid it or before CD if I got <16 sec remaining wheh DM come back
For exemple
winged sun
Especially on 3 target cleaves
U may even rupture at very weird timings
To do the most dps
iron carbon
I don't have the data
iron carbon
Agreed
Tbh, would really love speaking about the min max you can do
That goes out of generic guide
golden loom
Because im still in bed
Wait arent you eu
iron carbon
If you okay with it
iron carbon
unemployed statement
winged sun
iron carbon
Or night shifter
golden loom
I woke up at 6:30, but also my vacation starts today
Also suddenly good weather here
golden loom
We living life
iron carbon
Less you work better you are
iron carbon
I 100 % see
winged sun
It was so long when i wake up i was like dude no way this dream took ages
iron carbon
Last time happens after a big KFC bucket
winged sun
Dude i was awake for 22 hrs it was kinda bad i slept 4-5
iron carbon
Felt asleep at 20:30, woke up at 9
winged sun
Im feeling like shit ngl
golden loom
Yeah idk I legit could never function on low sleep
iron carbon
Missed raid night and nearly missed my daily meeting
golden loom
Like since I was little my schedule was always super early
But I am always on time (like 20min Early usually)
iron carbon
But, beer time now, so I see you later boyz
golden loom
And a few of my friends are the opposite 
golden loom
But, beer time now, so I see you later boyz
Way ahead of you
iron carbon
Wtf is that shit?
golden loom
Seltzer
iron carbon
But nice weather you have
iron carbon
That's water?
golden loom
That's water?
Carbonated water + vodka
golden loom
Low cal alcohol 😎
iron carbon
Same
iron carbon
Low cal alcohol 😎
golden loom
Banger
iron carbon
I barely drink other beer than Belgian beers
violet hemlock
Hey, love seeing a bier from home.
golden loom
I barely drink other beer than Belgian beers
I have some Stellas in the fridge
zenith elm
I barely drink other beer than Belgian beers
Belgian is the best
I'm belgian, so its my pride and joy
golden loom
Even have one with me!
violet hemlock
On vacation in france and love seeing every bar having Affligem on tap.
iron carbon
Where you from my dear belgian friends?
coral ibex
im gonna guess belgium