gearing alts is so free
#assassination
ocean quiver
just get a hero one for now
Now I killed bandit I can buy myth hoc instead of champ#
then my pacemaker
I just need to time a 12 ToP
and I get the myth one
ocean quiver
well theres a massive time loss
Why would I farm floodgate
to get a hero tracked trinket
main bridge
0 crest andy 
waxen oyster
I guess floodgate is slightly longer?
idk whats the fastest dungeon this season
im inclined to say rook
spice surge
For weeklies its absolutely rookery
waxen oyster
cinderbrew can be fast if your group has big meats
if you got a 2m overall mage like most pugs
closer to 30
outer sundial
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ocean quiver
and not have the crests to upgrade
I mean
so then I can just farm dungeons that are better
rather than shitty floodgate
waxen oyster
Floodgate seemed fine
Me and some dk carried a bm hunter that overalled 2.6
and we still 2 chested
đ¤Ł
silk sundial
Floodgate is probably my favorite dungeon this season. But then again I never hard to farm it
humble verge
why am i getting every fucking trinket*
main bridge
KUJO trinket 
grats bro
haughty flicker
holy
harsh harbor
anyone have any idea why the sims would be making me stack vers to the point the signet is giving me vers?
or is that just normal now?
fallow canopy
robot smart
harsh harbor
Fair enough
haughty flicker
waxen oyster
Floodgate is probably my favorite dungeon this season. But then again I never ha...
same just get it in your vault 3rd week
onyx linden
Is delve belt bugged to always have the default effect in raidbots?
wait maybe I need to update my simc addon
Nah its still doing it
Nvm, its fixed now. It was the addon
golden loom
@drifting cloud is this a valid wipe parse.. 
haughty flicker
thats like 200k off of r1 parse
i knew that wipe parses werent accurate but thats impressive
to be 200k off at .1%
also f though that wouldve still been an insane parse
golden loom
ur so right king
main bridge
it's more likely the buttons you are pressing that are responsible for your damage being low
haughty flicker
no that doesnt sound right
obtuse furnace
why is my sin dmg trash
runic hinge
Check opener in guide and practice like one hour on dummies
coral ibex
doubt
runic hinge
If your raid damage is bad I have some doubt
runic hinge
Okay well then if bel trusts you
main bridge
you can sim that if you really want to know
the damage spike is doing your rotation correctly and as long as you are convinced you can do no wrong, you probably won't improve
runic hinge
All that together is like 4%. Helm enchant is 2%. Embellishes are like 1% each.
obtuse furnace
is 1 button on assasin unplayable?
runic hinge
Probably
main bridge
ass
runic hinge
Doesnât work wellll for assa
runic hinge
Works better for other specs
main bridge
hekeli is an addon that trains you to press buttons when it tells you what to do but it won't help you understand why you press those buttons so it's basically a crutch
wowhead
haughty flicker
ok ngl i dont trust anymore
main bridge
best advice so far #assassination message
haughty flicker
i may have misread the aura
runic hinge
Open the wowhead guide on your second monitor. Do opener. Keep bleeds up. Consume darkest night asap.
haughty flicker
might just be better at sub
runic hinge
Assa isnât too complicated as long as you do the cd sequence correctly
And outside of that maintain bleeds and do the hero talent mini game
I blasted the entire raid and topped my raids dps. So idk.
runic hinge
No I donât record myself that would be embarrassing when @drifting cloud roasts me
haughty flicker
cauldron is fine since we can just vanish
rik was annoying for sin on prog
if your raid didnt actually hit barrels
but otherwise very good raid for assa
buoyant herald
Fair, I progged Ricardo as outlaw
buoyant herald
By the time we recleared sin was fine
Cauldron isnât hard, just for new players who donât manage the mark well
nova kelp
Maybe. Maybe not? Build?
obtuse furnace
i play sub
i want to get into assassination
i need help
1 button rotation ISNT doing any damage
at all
nova kelp
What build are you using and in what gameplay?
main bridge
1 button rotation ISNT doing any damage
honestly what were you expecting
one button is never going to be optimal
buoyant herald
Thatâs the bleed build for keys, boss damage on that is pretty low compared to other classes and specs unless you can pull trash onto it
Havenât tried one button for aoe but I canât imagine itâs very good for things like keys with constantly changing target counts and priorities
main bridge
it's the worst way to learn any spec
it doesn't even tell you what button you are pressing
buoyant herald
Yeah I wouldnât. But as paragons of virtue in the rogue discord we try help everyone right
main bridge
if your goal is to help people you should teach them the spec instead of using something that teaches you nothing
main bridge
i dunno it wasn't really clear to me what you were trying to suggest there
buoyant herald
Heâs asking why his damage sucks and my answer was âyouâre using an AoE spec and 1br probably sucks for thatâ
waxen oyster
Undermine is very sin friendly
mugzee and gally are both super good for sin imo
and endbosses matter more
buoyant herald
The only weakness sin has is target swapping which made rik and OAB a bit sketchy early on
half light
I felt like stix wasn't as friendly but maybe it was my guild's strat
besides that, up to bandit, I felt it was good
buoyant herald
Stix was an odd one because while killing the bomb guys was vital, sin was just SO pointless to swap in those situations that it was kinda just not your problem. Like if it was an issue youâd have to go sub, but if you were playing sin you just tunnelled boss
As long as you werenât silly and popped CDs before balls came out it was kinda just hit him
hallow glade
Best rogue spec for stix was the bench
buoyant herald
True
solar wyvern
Best rogue spec for stix was the bench
Actually so happy i didn't have to prog that fight
Just chilled on the couch watching from the side
hallow glade
Hyenas feared me on prog
waxen oyster
The only weakness sin has is target swapping which made rik and OAB a bit sketch...
rik is mostly your ranged being greedy
with hitting far barrels
nova kelp
Sprocket is mostly your ranged assasinating YOU with drills
red schooner
Sprocket is the demon hunter assassinating me, every time.
nova kelp
or one persons inability to swap polarity causing a 6 minute conversation about who was where when and who bumped who
red schooner
straight up murder
nova kelp
get shreked son
royal lantern
straight up murder
nova kelp
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
DAMN Rogue! Back at it again with the Killing Spree's!
also what fkn group has 3 rogues?
They're hoarding the whole playerbased
waxen oyster
gonna be honest
first polarity on prog
our healers were playinf wii bowling
with the raid
i feel very rarely
do bad healers get called out
for shit movement
unless its straight wiping the raid
nova kelp
healers are the real numero uno with tunnelling yeah
but it's because they actually ARE just staring at healthbars
the ability to still passively do all the required movement at the same time is probably less common than doing good dps
drifting cloud
also what fkn group has 3 rogues?
split run
nova kelp
split run
look, I hear you, you're correct, and also... You're ruining my jest at them hoarding the whole rogue playerbase
nova kelp
well stop stealing all the rogues
I think in my guild, even if I scraped the bottom of the alts for multiple rogues, I still couldn't get 3 for a few myth bosses
buoyant herald
rik is mostly your ranged being greedy
Tell that to my RL who called me out on barrel damage đ âyouâre losing to the tankâ meanwhile protwar saving demolish for every barrel cluster đđ
worthy rose
assassination rogues dont switch
nova kelp
just gota tie them to a chair and force feed them rogue theorycrafting videos
buoyant herald
I do đ
buoyant herald
Well actually I donât because it doesnât matter anymore but
buoyant herald
I certainly made a showing of shadow stepping to individual ranged barrels for some performative dps
Look mum Iâm doing it
runic hinge
<:garf:1320173032743899157>
buoyant herald
Idk all I know is that he was beating most dps on barrel damage lol
I mean good for him they gotta die
But itâs a bad benchmark for others
stark matrix
Their damage is already going down next season
Talent tree changes is like another 8% damage nerf or something
waxen oyster
prot warriors will be nerfed
spell block goes boom
also lack of utility compared to vdh
stark matrix
also lack of utility compared to vdh
Huh?
stark matrix
You uhhh do realize that in terms of mob control itâs the same minus chains
waxen oyster
Do people even run intim shout
stark matrix
Yes
spice spire
prot warriors will be nerfed
Shut your mouth
waxen oyster
do you need the followup talebt to make it worth
spice spire
Sorry you donât deserve that dog
waxen oyster
i feel mobs spreading out is shit
spice spire
Do people even run intim shout
Run it in priory only
spice spire
Yeah but you also lose meaningful talents
spice spire
Oh boy I lose a small amount of revenge damage and gain an aoe silence
Or the cheat
waxen oyster
Isnt it an aoe kick
spice spire
stark matrix
No lol
waxen oyster
not a silence
spice spire
It is a silence
stark matrix
You wouldnât not run BSV in actual content
Youâd drop ravager or battering ram for BSV
stark matrix
Isnt it an aoe kick
Yea itâs a kick
But I mean you kick something theyâre locked out unless another school anyways /shrug
But in general in terms of mob control vdh and warrior are functionally the same
The biggest thing DH has over warrior in that department is being able to use misery for skips
runic hinge
worthy rose
having a prot warrior is like having another dps in your team
a prot warrior's single target is insane
its like a whole ass other real dps
1.6+m single target is nuts
main bridge
indeed
oak eagle
Isnt it an aoe kick
its a kick and silence
normal mist
That's what happens when you kick someone in the nuts
nova kelp
ah the muffled grunt that continues to go silent and create worry until they manage a deep breath in
hallow pelican
Took a season off. Wondering about sin deathstalker impressions for s3
ocean quiver
this normal for first boss in raid?
I aint never seen mine crit anywhere close to that
hallow pelican
Good in m+ and mid-ish in raid? That about right?
balmy condor
based on my breakdown from yesterday yeah
looks right
big evenom crit gg
I only got a 42ish
haughty flicker
holy
balmy condor
don't have my last rep buff
worthy rose
whats more annoying
not being able to get off your last envenom at full CP as a rogue when the mob dies
or being an unholy dk and watching your blood beast get zero value as you finish clearing a mob pack and the blood beast runs up next to you
then explodes
hidden bay
tawdry flume
umm, did we get nerfed? Why is my single target sim'ing so low? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tfmnpiwsNeQfXbvcZWSniF
silk sundial
spatter instead of IB?
its not much but its a bit of an increase in ST
i just sim spatter though. Lockenstock is the only ST fight
tawdry flume
I feel like I used to sim for over 3m with this cleave build. But either way, pure ST is like 50k more
silk sundial
nah. Sin doesnt sim 3m ST
tawdry flume
hmmm
nova kelp
I think give or take we hit our limit at like 2.67? 65?
somewhere around there
fatebound hits the 2.7 mark but also has to flip coins
so it can fuck off and flip coins
silk sundial
pre charged bolt nerf i was simming 2.7-2.73. RN im sitting at 2.67
nova kelp
I'll take the bolt nerf just to spite ww's
those fuckers were hitting like 80m in 2 minutes from bolts alone lol
gilded rune
week 2 on rogue I got loaded
nova kelp
week 2 on rogue I got loaded
gota get that belt to 701
gilded rune
frozen iris
With reading stuff about addon restrictions. Does that mean my ability to track my own debuffs and buffs with weak auras will likely be going away?
Or do we still not know enough.
gilded rune
dont think we know enough yet
they atleast develop their in game weakaura thing before doing restrictions I think
dont think weakaura bars are apart of their issue
frozen iris
im not, most likely midnight i assume
novel star
buoyant herald
Itâs a goodie for sure
rotund oak
But in general in terms of mob control vdh and warrior are functionally the same
isnt vdh stronger coz spamming sigils?
stark matrix
no
stark matrix
outside of sigil of flames or w/e they're not exactly short CDs
rotund oak
yeah we cant rly remove something from their kit and talk about long cds do we
kinda obvious
might be wrong though
stark matrix
how does warrior compare to silencing caster pulls
you mean the same thing warrior can do as long as it's an interruptible cast?
rotund oak
you mean the same thing warrior can do as long as it's an interruptible cast?
?
vdh presses sigil and silences
it doesnt wait for a cast
stark matrix
how does warrior compare to silencing caster pulls
it's functionally the same
disrupting is double the lockout of a normal kick
rotund oak
the one is interrupt the other is silence though
functionally ye sure
both used for the same thing
stark matrix
And in what case is a silence going to behave differently than an interrupt
stark matrix
but how does that actually impact this season
rotund oak
ive never claimed anything for this season,its pretty much a comparison between the two
stark matrix
fwiw this isn't some crazy position I came up with, this is a sentiment that Yoda and the DH discord have echoed
woeful galleon
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/W7MxcNkLpT8RfzgH?boss=3016&difficulty=5&wipes=1&type=damage-done is my darkest night uptime a lot better now?
lol
rotund oak
u can use it as if it was a sigil but sigil is stronger
haughty flicker
dh discord downplaying the thing that has made them the meta tank for seasons now
yeah makes sense
unbaised opinion for sure
stark matrix
u can use it as if it was a sigil but sigil is stronger
4 seconds is stronger than 6 seconds?
stark matrix
dh discord downplaying the thing that has made them the meta tank for seasons no...
considering it's an opinion that they were initially against....
rotund oak
4 seconds is stronger than 6 seconds?
are u trying to deny understanding plain english brother?
i cant help u more than that,its pretty obvious
haughty flicker
considering it's an opinion that they were initially against....
them changing their opinion doenst help your argument
stark matrix
are u trying to deny understanding plain english brother?
you've already admitted they're functionally the same
runic hinge
4 seconds is stronger than 6 seconds?
Silence doesnât require something to already be casting
stark matrix
Silence doesnât require something to already be casting
ok and what good does wasting 1-2 seconds of silence do you if they weren't casting
runic hinge
Like if one mob is casting but another is on cd then they cast right after you press it
Or you can just have them all be silenced for 4 seconds
And come to you
rotund oak
you've already admitted they're functionally the same
u are using the word ''functionally'' pretty inacurate but it doesnt rly matter.They dont function the same way,the warrior ''version'' of what u think is needs to interrupt a cast the other doesnt
stark matrix
and has the added benefit of syncing casts
stark matrix
which if you use silence on the cast it counts as a kick and puts the ability on CD
runic hinge
So itâs better
Because you silence mobs that arenât casting as well as ones that are
Thanks for clarifying
runic hinge
Yes. Definitely equal to use 2 cds
rotund oak
haughty flicker
so you can shockwave and dr all the mobs, or just use sigil
stark matrix
Yes. Definitely equal to use 2 cds
you almost always send chains before you silence
rotund oak
hard prot war cope here
stark matrix
so you can shockwave and dr all the mobs, or just use sigil
20 second CD that is also a knockup
haughty flicker
its not even prot warrior cope, its dh propaganda
haughty flicker
20 second CD that is also a knockup
the cd has nothing to do with dr
runic hinge
What does chains dr with and what does shockwave dr with
stark matrix
What does chains dr with and what does shockwave dr with
what portion of shockwave
the knockup has no DR đ
rotund oak
its not even prot warrior cope, its dh propaganda
dhs are vile,we found a common ground
runic hinge
Okay but youâre still stun drâing lol
Doesnât matter if thereâs two parts if one drâs the rest of your teams
And chains doesnât
haughty flicker
you're either intentionally missing the point or are just too dumb to debate
rotund oak
if,they might as well dont,u have to DR the pull coz the spell isnt the same as a sigil
why are we even discussing this still
rotund oak
could spam some cope memes but got to bounce to work
stark matrix
Apparently prot is just as good as dh thatâs why prot has been so meta
that's a blatant strawman
there's a difference between saying the mob control is similar and that they are just as good overall
runic hinge
Did we start with you saying they are just as good?
stark matrix
Did we start with you saying they are just as good?
that's a very different statement than saying prot is just as good as dh
runic hinge
Functionally the same is way different than just as good? Sure yup. Ok.
Goodnight please donât ping me anymore
haughty flicker
i mean your argument for their mob control being functionally the same is that warrior can kind of sorta almost do something similar to what dh can with sigils, if they also dr the mobs and still dont have the grouping capabilities
while also ignoring that dh has nova on top of everything else
it just doesnt add up
like you could argue that prot wars mob control is pretty good, and it is
stark matrix
Vengeance mob stops: interrupt, aoe silence, chains, aoe fear, aoe stun (maybe imprison if you're really in a bad way)
Prot warrior mob stops: interrupt, single target stun, aoe stun (also knockup on a 20s CD), aoe kick, aoe fear if you choose to drop something for it (similar to how chains is a choice)
haughty flicker
but absolutely not functionally the same as vdh
haughty flicker
Vengeance mob stops: interrupt, aoe silence, chains, aoe fear, aoe stun (maybe i...
your own list is showing how lopsided it is lmao
stark matrix
it's 6 best case scenario both ways
haughty flicker
like even ignoring how much stronger silence is than aoe kick and chains is than aoe fear
you listed 5 for prot
you cant count a stun and knockup on the same ability as seperate stops lmao
stark matrix
Sure
I'll concede that even if it always works regardless of DR
But as far as the notion that aoe silence is any significant portion stronger than an aoe kick in practice I haven't run into any situations where I've felt that's the case even in 17s/18s
runic hinge
like even ignoring how much stronger silence is than aoe kick and chains is than...
They should nerf iron wire youâre right
stark matrix
only place I'd feel like it would actually matter would maybe be the ghost hallway in ToP
haughty flicker
They should nerf iron wire youâre right
they shouldve given us aoe kidney
the cowards
dense cedar
they shouldve given us aoe kidney
it will have a 5min cd for some reason
runic hinge
The problem was they tried to split the utility between aoe blind aoe kidney and iron wire and like one is very obviously stronger
Sub wouldâve always been the Meta rogue spec
runic hinge
Iron wire should be baked in
Iâve been in the spriest discord a lot and they are complaining about having the give up throughput for a point in silence and âno other spec gives up damage for utilityâ and I wanna AHEM them but I wonât cause I mostly just read over there
haughty flicker
every other spec complains that no other spec gives up damage for utility
anyway as fun as discussing cc is my sanctum run is coming to an end
its time for me to move on
no mount
runic hinge
no mount
I got invincible and ZG raptor last night and then went 0/16 before work today
runic hinge
I was expecting invincible to take me like 3 weeks so getting it on run 4 has me in shambles trying to figure out whatâs next priority
runic hinge
Have that
runic hinge
Bmah in SL for 1.2 million
Got that in wotlk
Got war mammoth in 2009
Got blue and azure drakes already
haughty flicker
ok i guess you already finished the wotlk wave
runic hinge
Wotlk is basically done lol
haughty flicker
onyxia
haughty flicker
runic hinge
Yeah idk. Threw a 120k bid at it before work and came back to it in my mailbox
haughty flicker
well thats incredibly depressing considering how many times ive killed onyxia
on that note time for bed
zenith elm
Damn tony you lucky dog
Btw the reclear started, we are on bandit, got a bit of wipes on sprocket
and the time we killed, i was dead for more than 1min đĽ˛
storm forum
I'd say damn you lucker dog but I'm also a lucker dog
runic hinge
I'd say damn you lucker dog but I'm also a lucker dog
That coulda been you!
storm forum
I don't even know where the black market ah is this expac* but I got half of a bunch of tier 3 sets before they were craftable doing similar stuff lol
runic hinge
Itâs right in dornogal near the portal to AK
I also finished rogue t3 not too long ago
storm forum
Nice, I only finished mage t3 and then stopped caring
runic hinge
I might go for priest
Some of them on our server go for cheap
The warrior one I never see bid high
storm forum
Yeah
I used to look a lot and then I stopped boosting and don't have the disposable income for that anymore
But now I sell PI and get more money than boosting
storm forum
I started saying as a joke, and it was a joke for a couple tiers, and then someone actually traded me 100k for PI so now it's not a joke anymore
storm forum
I'm not sure what I am next tier, probably healing as disc again but my GM might wanna do that and I think it would be funny to watch
runic hinge
Back to assa
storm forum
They took away long arms and I see my priest and druid 45 yrd range and just wonder why I'd go back
red schooner
They took away long arms and I see my priest and druid 45 yrd range and just won...
Because we have the best class discord, clearly
storm forum
Also I think if I got KB parried one more time I would quit wow forever
storm forum
Because we have the best class discord, clearly
This is true
I do miss knowing wtf was going on in whispyr's videos
red schooner
Also I think if I got KB parried one more time I would quit wow forever
They took that out
Kingsblade unparryable
runic hinge
They did fix kb
scarlet relic
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Also miss trolling whispyr with differently worded "can you repeat the answer in the bot command about divisive thing that I refuse to acknowledge unless you explain to me 20 times"
Ok
KB fixed maybe Lanille returns
Hopefully I remember this in the morning
runic hinge
runic hinge
leave some water and ibuprophen on your bedside table
red schooner
Also drink some water now
lyric nebula
Hey Iâm kinda new to raid pushing ( first time this seasons going M4/8) I havenât done to much reading on the new stuff coming out with the new season but how are rouges feeling as a whole ? Any tips/ tricks would be great as well
red schooner
Hey Iâm kinda new to raid pushing ( first time this seasons going M4/8) I havenâ...
Too early to really tell how we're doing next patch
lyric nebula
Got it, new to wow as a whole so I wasnât sure how solid the info is rn
nova kelp
it wouldn't be looking good if it went live right now
golden loom
but feeling wise nothing will really change for assa so if you like atm then you will probably like it next patch
nova kelp
but that will change
balmy condor
generally speaking unless you're raiding top 100ish, balance won't really set until 2 weeks after the patch goes out
if you're referring to gameplay, deathstalker is identical and fatebound is still unplayable
red schooner
Got it, new to wow as a whole so I wasnât sure how solid the info is rn
Things are subject to change and there has been limited raid testing so, very unreliable
nova kelp
if you're referring to gameplay, deathstalker is identical and fatebound is stil...
I was watching your vid with the new fights and such
tell me something, does the target switching seem like it might be an issue for DSM? Or is the difference between DS and FB still too shit to consider?
also fuck coins
balmy condor
would you consider target swapping on cauldron an issue
nova kelp
to be fair I've never had to switch more than 1 time really
so like no, but one vanish into one switch was always kinda meh
balmy condor
I mean I don't consider dsm swapping that much of an issue
nova kelp
it's kinda shit
balmy condor
but there is definitely more swapping than now
nova kelp
it's not like OMG IT'S SO BAD OMG I'M SWAPPING CLASSS
quiet oar
I mean I don't consider dsm swapping that much of an issue
On Cualdron no, but on Queen and Court in Nerubar it was kinda ass
weary spear
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quiet oar
Because you used Vanish for DPS in DM
balmy condor
On Cualdron no, but on Queen and Court in Nerubar it was kinda ass
yeh, it's similar to that
balmy condor
don't think we get to play VV
golden loom
alright im qutting
nova kelp
though I guess the shiv DSM dealio from the set allows us to switch a bit more readily
a BIT
easier to load up a DN and open up on a new target
golden loom
is there something specific making VV worse?
nova kelp
wait we DON'T get to play vv?
balmy condor
deathstalker tier is a lot of burst
it's possible I guess that VV might survive but it's not really all that far ahead and if we're doing way more burst then idk, imp gar/ma sounds pretty good
nova kelp
hmmm interesting, I hadn't really considered it would be a NOT vv play at all
royal lantern
I mean I don't consider dsm swapping that much of an issue
dsm swapping with the free vanish we have is not really that Much of a deal
S1 court? yeha sure, kinda aids
but rn? eh
balmy condor
VV lives and dies based entirely on the dsm buff
that is literally the thread it hangs on
hallow glade
but rn? eh
tried the new dungeon yet?
royal lantern
why should i
static glacier
VV lives and dies based entirely on the dsm buff
iirc fatebound takes 1 VV for pure st?
static glacier
but yeah dsm buff juices mut v hard
royal lantern
just a V?
golden loom
the kitchen is on fire
balmy condor
you're high as a kite surely
hallow glade
why should i
2nd boss you lose dsm if you dont sit on dn
balmy condor
how the fuck does that even work
nova kelp
lol whispyr out here getting triggered by everything
nova kelp
it's ok man, we're on your side for the most part, promise
royal lantern
2nd boss you lose dsm if you dont sit on dn
no, why should i care about shit+ 
static glacier
how's whispyr gonna call me out being high xd
good morning gents (idk what time it is in freedom land)
nova kelp
sometimes whispyr isn't about the quiet life, in spite of the name
runic hinge
69 oclock
nova kelp
mans gona give peeps the hard word
balmy condor
I mean one VV is diabolical
strange python
Hello assassin friends, how are your tier sets looking feelycraft wise? 
balmy condor
brother what is that
nova kelp
THERE IT IS! IT'S THE SECRET SAUCE!
static glacier
I Can already tell he's gonna tilt when I tell him where I found it
golden loom
please dont make me drop VV its so beautiful
balmy condor
I mean I'm already tilted
hallow glade
no, why should i care about shit+ <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
because thats where swapping dsm is an issue
static glacier
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
static glacier
XD
static glacier
litterally there
static glacier
i remember seeing it somewhere and thinking this shit is wierd
nova kelp
is this just one of those, sim vs practical use case scenarios?
static glacier
I mean my own sims were telling me to take no or 1 vv and going for MA about a month or so ago
static glacier
is this just one of those, sim vs practical use case scenarios?
practical use is massively in favour of vv
it's why I didn't drop vv even when ma was simming like 0.9-1% gain
golden loom
practical use is not playing fatebound
static glacier
oh wait
xd
well in st it doesn't really matter much
if you can give up evasion dr fatebound is a valid choice
nova kelp
I'm just gona go ahead and say it
I know it's probably not popular as an idea or reasoning
but I prefer MA just because I suddenly feel like I'm drowning in usable energy
not that I DO use MA but still
royal lantern
well in st it doesn't really matter much
how much pure st is there in the raid
static glacier
always being able to bank vanish is such QoL
static glacier
how much pure st is there in the raid
1 boss xd
balmy condor
can't even bank vanishes on fatebound
static glacier
tbf with you I did play fatebound for some kyveza reclears last tier
nova kelp
I mean you CAN still bank vanish with the no vv build, but its obviously not optimal
golden loom
why are we banking vanishes if we are playing MA
static glacier
can't even bank vanishes on fatebound
ye, thats not what I meant, moreso that VV letting you vanish for utility or target switching is a point in its favour
balmy condor
sure
strange python
Damn I read sin for once and thereâs wild cooking going on
Gordon Ramsey would call you an idiot sandwich for sure
balmy condor
not even cooking
static glacier
nah, its just 1 talent point difference
balmy condor
just el classico spreadsheet
nova kelp
there is cooking - 1 vv cooking
balmy condor
being el classico spreadsheet
strange python
balmy condor
and having dumb shit on it
static glacier
someone remind me what the standard fatebound st tree was
nova kelp
or some shit
golden loom
drop the 1 point in vv and take AP
balmy condor
yeh, that
red schooner
Wait, no VV next season? Back to the MA mines boys
balmy condor
we love going fast during prepull
golden loom
yes
nova kelp
BIG TRUE
static glacier
im a lil curious how close 0 vv was to 1 vv for fate, might run a sim
balmy condor
dropping art is pretty silly yeh
nova kelp
wait how shit is it to NOT PLAY ma on FB?
plain flower
Is there a path that is optimised for single target that includes DTB and sudden demise
static glacier
if im taking ma I should take art
static glacier
wait how shit is it to NOT PLAY ma on FB?
pretty shit
strange python
Wait whispyr I just remembered, isnât it unpaid gardener time pretty soonish?
static glacier
too much of your dmg is in ma
balmy condor
Is there a path that is optimised for single target that includes DTB and sudden...
that's just the m+ cleave build
nova kelp
I don't even think I've ever checked it out
balmy condor
fatebound is doing like 40-45% of its damage during deathmark windows
balmy condor
if outlaw was the opposite of what it was, then yeh
fatebound is one of the highest burst things assa has had available in a couple expansions
static glacier
I wish we had trickster đŚ
lmao shiv key spell then
balmy condor
yeh it's hard to mesh outlaw and assa thematically
just thematically they don't even use the same weapons
kinda bleak
nova kelp
lmao shiv key spell then
imagine the nimble flurry cleave on shiv usage đ
golden loom
huh
nova kelp
honestly outlaw should just be a dagger spec too
static glacier
imagine the nimble flurry cleave on shiv usage đ
ayo nimble spatter
plain flower
that's just the m+ cleave build
Are you sure the one im looking at has sudden death but not dragon tempered blades
loud light
no dtb sounds an awful lot like bleed build my dude
nova kelp
yeah but who even writes those!?!?!?
static glacier
yeah but who even writes those!?!?!?
a real bozo who didn't even know about 1v
nova kelp
I'm just happy to see we might have another CT boss incoming
golden loom
cant wait for them to dart all around the place the global I press CT and I hit air đ
static glacier
cant wait for them to dart all around the place the global I press CT and I hit ...
jump during ct
extra range
golden loom
I will get the ogre suit from dire maul and jump to have insane hitbox
red schooner
Had a healer drop out of the guild going, 'killing the end boss this close to end of season with the nerfs and extra ilvl isn't satisfying'. Sir, why did you join a RFWL guild then
nova kelp
did he GET the kill first?
red schooner
With us, yeah.
nova kelp
how long ago did you get it?
zenith elm
Had a healer drop out of the guild going, 'killing the end boss this close to en...
whats RFWL?
nova kelp
race for world last
zenith elm
Oooooooh
red schooner
how long ago did you get it?
Like, a week and a half back
nova kelp
it's just not what I'd call world last tbh if you have it now
some peeps will be fine lining it to the very last week
zenith elm
Like, a week and a half back
same as the guild i'm applying đ
red schooner
So we did it before RLE even opened up their RFWL channel
strange python
some peeps will be fine lining it to the very last week
Donât have to tell me twice
I promised my gm friend im staying all tier and i do have my regrets
red schooner
248
zenith elm
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Nfng1v9m76HLkyF2 here is the logs from my apply, i died to the 5th boss đĽ˛
strange python
248 <:uglyassdog:1370509827280867400>
I am in hell
nova kelp
peeps can be upset by w/e they want really, but the logic does seem to fall through
red schooner
I am in hell
I thought the 202 and sprocket was bad for us
red schooner
247 on sprocket
nova kelp
shit peep
red schooner
the real question is did they get a big g on the kill?
Nah
strange python
If it wasnât for my friend I wouldnât be able to cope with this
red schooner
It's just, last tier we missed CE, this tier we got it with 15% buff, I don't know what he was expecting
strange python
I am on autopilot since pull 20 the boss actually does nothing
red schooner
We ain't ever killing it early
strange python
I havenât been this bored in a long time
nova kelp
my guild isn't SUPER prog by any means, we sorta crack the top 1k
but I'm with them coz I just like raiding with them
if we missed ce I'd still be here
red schooner
my guild isn't SUPER prog by any means, we sorta crack the top 1k
1370-sometning for us
strange python
248 <:uglyassdog:1370509827280867400>
Itâs not dead yet btw
This number is gonna rize
zenith elm
Damn
red schooner
Itâs not dead yet btw
Are you hitting P2 at least?
strange python
Are you hitting P2 at least?
Sometimes 
zenith elm
Oh shit
strange python
10% is best pull but
zenith elm
i think its time to call it quit? lol
strange python
Bro
I swear
Idk whatâs happening here
You donât need to use brainpower at all
strange python
Of course it could
red schooner
And you're free
strange python
But 248 is too many
zenith elm
whats the hardest bosses to reclear ?
balmy condor
mug probably
zenith elm
honestly on gally 30% means any pull could be the pull
THIS ^^^
and if you have to pick another one?
balmy condor
mug reclears are insanely awkward cause of the power creep
strange python
balmy condor
uh
strange python
Iâll just drop it
The curve says it all
(Donât look at sprocket and mugzee)
balmy condor
maybe stix?
strange python
balmy condor
stix or oab
red schooner
Considering we tried 'reclearing', (it wasn't a reclear I got fucking lied to) mugzee last night and spent 3 hours without a kill, probs mugzee
balmy condor
oab also has some awkward timings
nova kelp
stix reclears are super funny
red schooner
'oh hey goat it's just a reclear it's fine', join raid, 7 people who haven't done the boss before are there
nova kelp
you can jjust straight bash the territorial bombs and still fuck on him now
red schooner
I got fucking tricked
runic hinge
zenith elm
'oh hey goat it's just a reclear it's fine', join raid, 7 people who haven't don...
Hahahaa get bamboozled
zenith elm
I got fucking tricked
the real tricks of the trade
red schooner
This ain't a reclear this is round 2 of prog
zenith elm
This ain't a reclear this is round 2 of prog <:uglyassdog:1370509827280867400>
And now you have prog depression lol
we got to the fifth boss, we'll see how it goes on AOB and Mug
zenith elm
Yeah
balmy condor
raid leaders a psychopath or what
strange python
I need to fix my oab and sprocket but at this rate I wonât see any other boss than gally anymore
zenith elm
Maybe cause he wants me to master another class and as much as assa my other specs đĽ˛
balmy condor
new guild angle
zenith elm
Yes
red schooner
Sometimes you put up with bad raids for playing with friends
zenith elm
Yes, it was fun ! even if a few raiders got OWNED
strange python
Ye itâs new guild angle but Iâm not breaking my promise - I do regret that promise but Iâm not breaking it
Bro shits not fun
Be it my friends or not
red schooner
Ye itâs new guild angle but Iâm not breaking my promise - I do regret that promi...
Good on you for sticking it out
zenith elm
RL at the end of our raid :" it was pathetic, applies which havent done sprocket are better than you"
strange python
But 240 pulls for gallywix is where friendships have their limit
If boss was hard
No problem
But boss is literally just standing there
zenith elm
240 pulls on gally is diabolical
red schooner
But 240 pulls for gallywix is where friendships have their limit
We had 400 pulls on queen and didn't kill
golden loom
oab reclear yesterday was a movie
strange python
We had 400 pulls on queen and didn't kill <:garf:1320173032743899157>
See thatâs a hard boss tho
zenith elm
oab reclear yesterday was a movie
Oh noo đĽ˛
red schooner
See thatâs a hard boss tho
400 times having to pop circles and go through portals, pain
balmy condor
oab reclear yesterday was a movie
like quentin tarantino self-inserting himself for a foot fetish scene
đŚ
hallow glade
Whispyr should know oab timings better than anyone
strange python
400 times having to pop circles and go through portals, pain
Idk I quit last tier because irl but queen seemed like a hard boss at least
zenith elm
oab reclear yesterday was a movie
ABSOLUTE CINEMA
balmy condor
it's true, we changed strats 3 times during prog for no fucking reason
golden loom
we have new players and new comp every re-clear so its always a movie but atleast the bosses die eventually (after I have 20 god pulls and then play bad on kill)
zenith elm
we have new players and new comp every re-clear so its always a movie but atleas...
SAME
I always did more than 2.8M on my dps on sprocket
moment i die? we kill it
red schooner
I still question our reclear strategy of 'yeah we put all the people who got benched on at once' instead of like, drip feeding one or two at a time in to get them CE
But idk I just turn up to raid and stab boss
hallow glade
it's true, we changed strats 3 times during prog for no fucking reason
The only thing the bandit stole was time 
red schooner
This is way above my pay grade
golden loom
atleast it wasnt a horrible day yesterday but as per usual FUCK STIX
strange python
We have no dh since stix I think, our prot warr is doing bomb with evoker rescue, which has bomb debuff and is in general a bit of a liability, shits not a movie atp itâs a whole ass standup comedy
balmy condor
The only thing the bandit stole was time <:omegalul:585734084777476096>
every day is a test of my waning mental
red schooner
We have no dh since stix I think, our prot warr is doing bomb with evoker rescue...
Not even a gust of wind potion?
strange python
Not even a gust of wind potion?
Heâs using some potion idfk what non dh bomb tanks are doing all I know is our evoker dies every time he rescues him
And blows up
Because heâs doing a bomb before
golden loom
We have no dh since stix I think, our prot warr is doing bomb with evoker rescue...
our tank comps have been:
Initial prog: VDH/BDK
reclear 1: VDH/prot pally
reclear 2: VDH/prot pally/ brewmaster
reclear 3: port warrior / vdh / prot pally
red schooner
Do bomb and shadowstep back to platform, ezpz
balmy condor
yeh armin can you just hold cloak for the duds mate thanks
hallow glade
Every time my raid lead talks about who should do bombs when making roster I just kinda stay quiet and hope they donât pick me
Worked so far
balmy condor
I was first bomb gally cause our trial mage was a fucking idiot
and then xfinity struck
and I was taken off bombs
EZ
maybe I shouldn't upgrade
hallow glade
Comcast W
golden loom
feel like the only assignment I have had the entire tier is shiving on gally, melee life is so easy
nova kelp
I LEGIT can't fucking pick up bombs on the rogue, i don't know what it is, I just cant interact with them at all
I have another weird thing in priory, I CAN'T soak the orbs on the second boss no matter what
hallow glade
I had Xfinity just intermittently stop working over the course of like 3 days
balmy condor
I'm getting left on read by christian
red schooner
feel like the only assignment I have had the entire tier is shiving on gally, me...
I was designated token bitch on bandit but other than that, chill. Unlike our Ret pally who has had to do bandit coins twice now
hallow glade
Dud funnel is op
red schooner
Ret pally bandit coins, it's the strat for sure
zenith elm
why isnt it a hunt or mage ?
balmy condor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6L7v-GygBU
đŁ CELESTIAL CONDUIT IN ACHT
red schooner
why isnt it a hunt or mage ?
Our hunters and mages cannot be trusted
strange python
đŁ **CELESTIAL CONDUIT IN ACHT**
HAHAHAH
strange python
tbf our raids are content if you wanna make memes
zenith elm
its like, their only duty to be trusted on mechanics đĽ˛
static glacier
Hahahahahaha
lmao
balmy condor
this video is nothing but pain man holy
golden loom
videos like these are such bangers tho
strange python
This is the evoker rescuing my tank on gally btw
open jolt
Chat
What is the mythic and heroic ilvl req for raiding this tier
Because I wanna know if I am losing my mind or not about this guild
open jolt
I was being told if I was not 665+ I was not allowed to prog heroic.......
runic hinge
Lmao heroic gear is like 665
open jolt
Lmao heroic gear is like 665
That is my point....
fresh kelp
prog heroic at this point?
open jolt
Like what???
fresh kelp
quiet oar
prolly needs this ilvl
golden loom
this is my tanks ilvl on last weeks mythic gally re-clear
open jolt
They are apparently all 665+ and have only just started to get close to a gally heroic kill
wise pilot
gear question: is the eng helmet actually worth crafting at 681?
runic hinge
Yikes
weary spear
!tricks
prisma monolithBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
I mean tbh even 665 is kinda low, if they played the whole season
imo
runic hinge
gear question: is the eng helmet actually worth crafting at 681?
Probably not. The tinkers all suck ass
open jolt
Yikes
One person said you should need to have a 1.3m dps avg to show you know your class đ¤
Is that supposed to be hard?
quiet oar
One person said you should need to have a 1.3m dps avg to show you know your cla...
1.3M ?!?!?!?!?!?
Nerubar DPS
runic hinge
Yeah half my sim dps
open jolt
.....
runic hinge
I can manage that probably
quiet oar
That is not hard tbh
runic hinge
open jolt
Like I was doing that at 645 ilvl with 20% crit
What kind of shit stain players have they seen
quiet oar
% of crit doesnt amtter
open jolt
To thing that is hard?
quiet oar
only ilvl
drifting cloud
I can manage that probably
open jolt
Like I don't even play retail
runic hinge
<:garf:1320173032743899157>
Maybe I canât. Idk. Donât check my parses
open jolt
Came back and learned the basics of the roto
open jolt
And still could probably out perform
Actually
Ima go look at their logs
See if it hurts
quiet oar
Those people
golden loom
Progging Heroic till now
they are just fellas doing some gaming
red schooner
If we're on about funny guild fuck up clips, had this beauty from my guild.
quiet oar
Nice server tag. Very cute
Thanks 
strange python
Progging Heroic till now
I mean kudos to the guy keeping the guild alive, imagine you find enough people to prog heroic for a whole ass season
open jolt
Holy.....
strange python
What the fuck
quiet oar
quiet oar
Like our Gally is almost 7 Minutes on Mythic
hushed yew
anyone have any idea why the sims would be making me stack vers to the point the...
hasnt happend to me yet but 16s slap hard enough that i start thinking about vers for survival
strange python
Do you want me to supply bleach?
No supply the summary of the best pull pls
open jolt
If you want I can just post the log
strange python
Nah donât need to do that
golden loom
let the gamers game
strange python
I just expected worse from a last week aotc prog tbf
runic hinge
Find a different guild if you wanna prog Faster
open jolt
Find a different guild if you wanna prog Faster
I haven't even raided with them
Haven't "proved my worth yet"
strange python
Find a different guild if you wanna prog Faster
I mean his point is they are being very âur not good enoughâ
Which is eh
Weird at that pace
open jolt
Like im sorry I am 650 ilvl atm because I only really started playing last weekend
strange python
Nothing against guilds that prog aotc a season long they are probably having a blast
open jolt
And I definitely could out parse them
strange python
I swear if they wouldnât have fun they wouldnât do this
So itâs probably fun
open jolt
I swear if they wouldnât have fun they wouldnât do this
No then genuinely are trying to prog so they can do mythic next tier
royal lantern
And I definitely could out parse them
if your first thought in raiding is parses, oof
open jolt
If it was "for fun" I would have been able to join
open jolt
if your first thought in raiding is parses, oof
I come from classic
So
Brain is wired for it
royal lantern
well, dont lol
royal lantern
parse brained gameplay is one of the absolute worst things you can do as a raider during looong times of gameplay
strange python
Idk itâs a weird situation, in lower wr if you are looking to swap guilds parses do matter
Because
âŚ
Itâs low we
Wr*
open jolt
Idk itâs a weird situation, in lower wr if you are looking to swap guilds parses...
This
Parses matter to get into better guilds
100%
strange python
Until a certain point
You get to a wr where people actually know what to look for
golden loom
Parse brain is based
quiet oar
parse brained gameplay is one of the absolute worst things you can do as a raide...
Corporate need you to find the Difference between these two:
- Parse Brain
- Smooth Brain
open jolt
if you have shit parses you are not getting into a better guild. Once you are in a mid end guild then they start to look at you knowing fights properly
golden loom
I think especially this tier, as melee there legit is nothing else going on so why not just think about dam
quiet oar
Depends what tasks you get