assassination

[balmy condor]

incredible

[vestal cliff]

F

honestly who thought it was a good idea to let talents reduce your dmg

[oak eagle]

blizzard

they hate fun

[bronze pike]

r u back back?

[balmy condor]

no

[vestal cliff]

everytime my ST dmg gets decreased with this talent, i want an automated angry email written to Blizzard HQ

[red schooner]

I'm half asleep and uncaffeinated, I'm not getting how this is a big loss

Reread it like 5 times and I'm just not getting it

[royal lantern]

because those are mandatory talents, the dmg is Balanced around it

[bronze pike]

ur u still indanger??

[royal lantern]

aka the "no enemys around" dmg IS the basic dmg

[balmy condor]

so you have 1 target right, your envenom crits, you caustic the envenom and the fate intertwined

you have 2 targets

your envenom crits

you caustic the envenom

and the fate intertwined fucks off and hits the off-target

[red schooner]

Yeah but... If the cleave is hitting 2 targets if cleave happens then...

I dunno I'm legit tired af rn

[balmy condor]

so that's just objectively worse

3 targets

you envenom, it crits

you spatter the envenom

the fate intertwined hits literally every target except your main target

[red schooner]

Okay, that makes sense

Thanks.

Legit reread it like 8 times and it wasn't clicking in my head

[balmy condor]

yeh

the only time fate intertwined procs caustic

is when you have 1 target

[red schooner]

[shell plaza]

cursed

🫣

[red schooner]

This shows how much thought I've given FB this expansion

[potent moon]

wait, doesnt the duplicated damage to main target also count as cosmic and therefore doesn't even count then?

[red schooner]

Cos I legit don't know what half of it does

[potent moon]

(even tho it doesnt matter with 1 target)

[rotund oak]

welcome back babe

[grim jay]

Cosmic is a bunch of damage types

Including nature

[balmy condor]

cosmic damage spatters

[potent moon]

oh wow ok, thought it was gonna be smth like arcane and shadow

[balmy condor]

nature physical arcane and holy I think

or something like that

[potent moon]

what a combo

[balmy condor]

nature/physical is the important part

so that it works with caustic and blade flurry

[potent moon]

makes sense then

apart from the way that talent works X)

[grim jay]

Arcane holy nature shadow

[balmy condor]

sure yeah

point is

it works with blade flurry and caustic

[potent moon]

i was 50% right 😂

[grim jay]

Think Chaos has all types, always need to look that shit up aswell

[balmy condor]

yes

chaos is all

[runic hinge]

I'd run that

[potent moon]

i never tried fatebound, does that come without the issue of not being able to spontaneously swap targets without dmg loss like deathstalker?

[balmy condor]

no

it's just passive damage on finishers

[potent moon]

huh, might be smth for lots of ppl even being 4% behind

[lusty narwhal]

Pure ST only too

[balmy condor]

it's 4% behind if they flip the logic on a talent that makes fatebound inherently unplayable

it's not currently 4% behind

[lusty narwhal]

Wild to me that they haven’t done ANY tuning on it

[potent moon]

oooh right, forgot

rn it's 6% loss per additional target, my bad

[keen pecan]

I miss orange whispyr

[rotund oak]

idk how far it was ago when i was saying we will be playing deathstalker but taking a step back and watch all this is

weird

[balmy condor]

no fixing fatebound

is baffling

[rotund oak]

ive havent logged on ptr or anything dunno about sets n stuff but onyl from reading some wowhead stuff

DS looks better yet again

even if FB is fixed

they kinda need to gigabuff it i think

[balmy condor]

I think objectively speaking the fatebound tier set is much better than deathstalker

like MUCH better

[rotund oak]

then we should expect a shift according to that

[balmy condor]

fatebound is entirely playable if they just made it not garbage in aoe

[rotund oak]

what can u do for fatebound for aoe idk

[balmy condor]

literally just fix fate intertwined and get rid of the stupid debuff on delivered doom

I just went over this

[rotund oak]

but since its blizzard we are talking

they prefer to rework and gigabuff spatter

coz something something reasons something

[opaque jacinth]

it probably doesn't help that they're restricted by balancing delivered doom around outlaw as well

[red schooner]

Imagine if it's just a typo

[slate crown]

This plays a custom sound as well, yes? It must, yes? If it doesn't you have some splaining to do

holy fuck my discord was behind where I opened to

[rotund oak]

behind where i opened

trying to decipher

[balmy condor]

it's not, cause they reworded it in 11.0.5

[red schooner]

Okay that makes me feel slightly better

[vestal cliff]

I really hope Blizz does something. I would love to play the Fatebound Tset

[shell plaza]

i never liked deathstalkers mark and managing it, if fatebound becomes meta - im a happy guy

[haughty flicker]

they'll change nothing and we'll be playing deathstalker forever

it do be like that

[rotund oak]

yup

[haughty flicker]

i used to shit on fatebound but fuck if i havent gotten tired of this mark bullshit

[rotund oak]

could be like that

coz blizzard

[potent moon]

you mean stuff like "your grp dmg became so much the timing with swapping mark between targets is off again and now you play without hero talents for a phase"?

[rotund oak]

will rotate much faster with shiv now

[haughty flicker]

when does that even happen

[rotund oak]

[haughty flicker]

[rotund oak]

will catch up again when pirates gonna be here talking about high apm kungfu

''shiv compresses mark to two stacks now,more spaming more dmg''

[balmy condor]

yes

[shell plaza]

my favourite - stop the dps for 5-6 sec cuz you just got the buff and if you finish you wont swap the mark :^)

[balmy condor]

the insane cope

[shell plaza]

remember when compo points were on the target and not on your character ? imagine if they make the mark your buff and not a target debuff

[balmy condor]

you mean the thing people suggested in alpha?

[shell plaza]

noone thought of it im sure

:^)))

[balmy condor]

yeh

original thought

[subtle tundra]

hi whispyr

its monday

https://tenor.com/view/bigsad-garfield-sad-sadge-garf-tears-gif-9205869916302272837

[balmy condor]

true

I can always trust you to know what day of the week it is varas

I love that about you

[subtle tundra]

thanks man its good to have someone reliable close

[haughty flicker]

god i wish i could do that

[rotund oak]

as in being close

or reliable

or both

[runic hinge]

[haughty flicker]

no being able to tell what day of the week it is consistantly

[rotund oak]

ok enough trolling,going back to work lul

[red schooner]

I got tired of it after silken court last season

That boss was bad enough without having to deal with the mark

[gilded rune]

Does sin not rely on a lot of ilvl

feel like my output is really high for 660

with bad trinks

[balmy condor]

that's not really a thing

[gilded rune]

or maybe its the turbo boost gear

[balmy condor]

ilvl differences between specs would only show over like

100 ilvl

not like 20

[gilded rune]

well I mean I feel like at the beginning of the season on my arms warrior I wasnt able to achieve 4m output until way later

and im already there on my rogue

around 650

I apologize if it sounds dumb im still fairly new to sin

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean idk

[runic hinge]

Sin blasts overall

[balmy condor]

it is what it is I guess

[runic hinge]

It will get better with ilvl but since it always does damage in aoe without cds it just looks good on details

[visual sun]

Whispyr back. We are so back.

Serious tho. Glad ur back

[brave stump]

Whispyr glad you're back, is it normal i run out of energy in single target? Do i need more haste?

[balmy condor]

ty

[brave stump]

🪤

[drowsy hollow]

in general, how long does it normally take to get a lucky fatebound coin?

[balmy condor]

you got a 50/50 on opener

[haughty flicker]

so never for me

[balmy condor]

after that it's just an rng fiesta

[drowsy hollow]

oof

[balmy condor]

next patch it's just guaranteed

[drowsy hollow]

really? Hard to read the talents to understand why but yeah, has to otherwise that tier set is rough

[haughty flicker]

the 2p will make it guaranteed in opener

another edge case plus another coin for each one

[balmy condor]

with 2 piece the worst case opener is envenom before dm to 1-0, dm is 3-2, kb is 5-4, then cold blood to 6-5, vanish cold blood to 8-7

[drowsy hollow]

oh, the vanish gives you lucky coin and procs the cosmic damage?

[balmy condor]

what

the vanish double flips

[drowsy hollow]

I guess I'm misunderstanding the 8-7 sorry.

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean that gives you the lucky coin

but it's just the flips

8-7 is heads/tails

[drowsy hollow]

I am misunderstanding, I thought the edge cases were adding up to somehow proc Fateful Ending twice at once.

[balmy condor]

no

it's just guaranteeing you get fateful ending

[drowsy hollow]

Wouldn't Inevitabile End already do that? I get why use the vanish, it's still opener and lust and all that but it does feel extra.

RIP Destiny Defined though.

[bronze pike]

[balmy condor]

well how would you get to 7 without the tier

[drowsy hollow]

My confusion is why the vanish for double jeopardy is necessary.

At least I thought we were talking about the next season.

[balmy condor]

it's not neccessary but the alternative is playing destiny defined

[drowsy hollow]

Can destiny defined actually hit 7 for sure cause my brain is thinking the cold blood matches are needed, the talents read weird though.

[balmy condor]

correct

without the cold blood match you'd go 1-0, 3-2, 5-4, and then run out of steam

and you'd have to vanish and hit the 50/50

[drowsy hollow]

Inevitabile End affects two finishers correct, so the vanish is just extra with the new tier correct? Also is the spelling on purpose for that cause I don't get what bile has to do with fatebound lol.

[haughty flicker]

wat

[balmy condor]

the name is a typo

[haughty flicker]

wait it is just typoed huh

thats very funny

[drowsy hollow]

Inevitabile isn't a word so I'm assuming its a pun with bile.

[haughty flicker]

well done blizzard

[balmy condor]

but I don't understand what you mean by the vanish

vanish flips 2 coins

cold blood matches

[royal lantern]

does cold blood imply that all rogues are reptiles

[haughty flicker]

maybe fish

[drowsy hollow]

I guess I just don't see how without the vanish you only end up with 6 matches.

[balmy condor]

without the vanish you would get to 7-6

[drowsy hollow]

but the 7 means you've proc'd no?

[balmy condor]

correct

Idk what's confusing

[drowsy hollow]

You're making it sound like you needed the 8-7, my bad.

[balmy condor]

no

you don't

[drowsy hollow]

Sorry for my confusion. I'm guessing there's not a cap to how many matches can stack but odds are just really against you for more than 8?

[balmy condor]

if you do nothing but envenom you have a 2/3rds chance to match

so I guess off of the 8-7 you'd have like a 25% chance to get to 11

and then like 19% to get to 12

12% to get to 13

etc etc

[drowsy hollow]

neat

The Deathstalker Set making you absolutely want to shiv just before 20% is kinda funky.

[balmy condor]

before which 20%

[drowsy hollow]

20% enemy HP, so mostly bosses I presume.

[balmy condor]

what does 20% have to do with anything

[drowsy hollow]

Fatal Intent?

[balmy condor]

fatal intent doesn't do damage

I mean it does

but it really doesn't

[drowsy hollow]

Okay, sorry for the weird questions. Part of me would love to play my void elf rogue more in 11.2 cause thematics, but have been very causal cause pure dps is a rough pug life.

[bronze pike]

i like to pretend my be outlaw is still a void elf

and she has no swords

just guns

but not like a crappy hunter

[balmy condor]

it's all good

fatal intent reads like it should do something

and then it does less than fan of knives in single target

[drowsy hollow]

pity

I still want a massive deathstalker rework in Midnight

[visual sun]

Renown hot sauce coming after fatal intent

[drowsy hollow]

Like at least do something by giving it a unique poison for Sub and Sin. I know that's basically Hunt Them Down, but at least it'd feel cooler being applied, lol.

[humble verge]

it does, but you have to upload it manually to a folder in the interface addons folder

[broken lion]

When does this take place?

[red schooner]

This reset

[broken lion]

Ah that makes sense

[final star]

I can't wait for this to do 50% more next patch

if we time it with shiv!

huge gain found, implement it rn

If it wasn't bugged and didn't stop stacking at 30% it would do damage, promise guys

[balmy condor]

[lavish portal]

should i cover a single KB without a DM with 2x shiv? or only last 8 sec

[balmy condor]

depends on if you sent a dry shiv or not

[strange tundra]

@balmy condor will bleed still be good in m+?

[balmy condor]

yes

[strange tundra]

Ty bro

[nova kelp]

Whispyr sir I would like 100% accurate to final release logs now to decide what I want to play and wear

hurry up now

[tall jay]

electric current is the play now corrrect. 😄

[red schooner]

The pins got updated, but any of the stat ones are pretty good

[tall jay]

i saw the pins, just making sure, i just woke up]

[red schooner]

At least passive secondary stats won't knock me out of stealth

[red schooner]

Ye nw, just ye, passive secondaries are the play

[ancient tangle]

Does someone know if caustic spatter is taken into account for singular focus ? does 5% of spatter is redirected on main target every time ?

[royal lantern]

it spatters once iirc

no looping stuff or anything like that

[ancient tangle]

yes singular focus doesn't spatter so it doesn't loop

[royal lantern]

you do dmg->spatter cleaves->singular focus does part of that dmg again as plague dmg->that cleaves again and then it "ends"

im pretty sure it does?

[subtle tundra]

meowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[ancient tangle]

i saw on this channel that it doesn't

[marble hemlock]

put on the cat ears first

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor does Singular focus plague dmg spatter or not

im really not sure rn

[balmy condor]

yes

[subtle tundra]

only if whispyr does aswell

[marble hemlock]

he has them perma on

[ancient tangle]

ok so 5% of spatter is redirected on main target and it stop there isn't it ?

[balmy condor]

singular focus damage spatters once and does not return as singular focus damage, spatter counts for singular focus

[subtle tundra]

infinite damage hack

[ancient tangle]

ho ok

sorry Tryan you were right then

and thx Whispyr 🙂

[marble hemlock]

dw, doesnt happen that often, no need to apologize

[silent compass]

Any recommendations about what to do on mythic bandit?

[marble hemlock]

[marble hemlock]

get benched or hit boss

not much else you can do

[silent compass]

[royal lantern]

dont get hit by coins

[marble hemlock]

ye that too

[royal lantern]

and bait coins correct

[marble hemlock]

but its just a boss where we cant do shit on that is "unique" to rogue

[royal lantern]

thats all you do as melee

[silent compass]

We stacking in the middle now

[marble hemlock]

just gotta wait for the ranged to not be shit

[silent compass]

Oh so i really dont have much to do

[lethal arrow]

Rupture some coin adds

[red schooner]

And then wait for execute phase where your full power can be revealed

[lethal arrow]

Vanish some fixates

[silent compass]

Wait we can do that?

[royal lantern]

waiting for 18years

[lethal arrow]

Bait some coins

Yes

[silent compass]

Ohhh thanks thats amazing

[royal lantern]

yes, but do it immediatly

[lethal arrow]

It just goes on someone else

[royal lantern]

and not when multiple people are inside the adds allready, you vanish and it targets one of them

[silent compass]

Aity

[royal lantern]

[lethal arrow]

Vanish the moment they spawn and u get fixated

If ur kiting and u get fixated, u can just kite with ur team

[silent compass]

Ok so almost all i need to do is to stack in the middle

[lethal arrow]

I assume ur strat is to stack with team

Our original strat pre nerf was stack as adds spawn and do like a half circle kite around the room

Since they changed it, we just let the adds spawn and cleave after baiting coins

[hollow sphinx]

Hello, Any tips to do more average damage on oab progress? last night i average 3mill on 30 pulls. We got down p2 twice but died before.

[red schooner]

Rupture snipe adds, and just try to maximise the rolling coin debuff as much as you can really

[vestal cliff]

i love rupture sniping. Especially on mugzee it just feels sooooo good. Adds are just walking thistle teas for me

[lethal arrow]

U wait til the boss is below 30% then ur dmg goes up

[nova kelp]

last phase on oab is wild yeah

although I feel like damage is so high now it's kinda fucked us over lol

so much less sexecute time

[hollow sphinx]

Had 62% uptime on high roller buff avarage is that to low?

[normal mist]

What buff is that

[hollow sphinx]

Coin buff

[normal mist]

Oh fatebound?

[hollow sphinx]

No from the coins from oab

[normal mist]

Oh... No idea

Must be a mythic only thing or something

[normal mist]

?

[red schooner]

It's on heroic and normal, the damage buff you get from standing next to the coins being rolled.

[nova kelp]

I wana say I had like a 77% uptime on the kill for us?

but idk why I think that, just some distant memory

[normal mist]

Wait that's a thing?!

LOl

[subtle tundra]

bruh

[nova kelp]

kek

[red schooner]

Yeah, stand really close to the coins as they roll past and it's a 10% damage buff

For like, 20 seconds?

[normal mist]

You'd think I knew stuff when I raided for like 1 day and got aotc

[normal mist]

What, tell me varas

[subtle tundra]

idk i thought you played the game
thats like the whole gimmick of the fight

[normal mist]

BRO

I started this tier when my guild was killing that boss. I got invited and we oneshotted it and then oneshotted gally

[subtle tundra]

sorry i forgot to search your rio and see your prog history

[normal mist]

Sec

Royalflux-grimbatol

[subtle tundra]

no thanks you can do it

[normal mist]

Fy varas

[subtle tundra]

everyone wants to

[normal mist]

I know, me too

But honestly I got to the raid and they explained how I wouldn't fuck the fight up and that's it

I didn't know about the coins buff xD

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/grim-batol/royalflux

I didn't really care about this tier

Didn't like it

[nova kelp]

the MOG tho

I quite liked mythic this tier except for stix and sprocket

stix coz it's dogshit and sprocket because my guild ultra sucks at dance bosses

[red schooner]

Stix was great for me

[normal mist]

I died mid sprocket because I had no idea what was happening

Never cared to parse again

[red schooner]

Bench for the first 100 pulls, get brought in for a few pulls cos someone was late, killed boss

Easiest prog of my life

[normal mist]

Thanks man, I enjoy it a lot

[red schooner]

Fancy as fuck

[normal mist]

:3

[vestal cliff]

we had the same idea with the boots there XD

[normal mist]

Yours awesome too, nice head piece

[vestal cliff]

ty <3

[red schooner]

I need to work on my mog at some point

[jaunty hill]

Yo Mog is fine, this is a Bob!

[red schooner]

Thank you!

[royal lantern]

average bri*ish geezer

[radiant raven]

oi oi oi wot's all this den bit'o the 'ol poisony tempesty tonite lads.

[red schooner]

[urban anvil]

@balmy condor are you going to make any 11.2 content on YouTube anytime soon? 🙂

[red schooner]

The pookies demand content

[urban anvil]

I know there isnt any changes but would like to hear thoughts on tier etc.

[jaunty hill]

Just a Heya and Byea will do to forfill this need

[static glacier]

p4 pin inc

xd

[balmy condor]

it's been.... a long week

but yes

there are plans

when I get the time and re-setup

[hexed frost]

You're gonna remain uggo regardless of the mog. Truly a cursed race

[red schooner]

Incorrect opinion.

[main bridge]

imagine playing a fantasy MMORPG where you can be anything from a dragon to an upright cow, and you choose to be a human

[normal mist]

That's me

[zenith tree]

to be fair, dragons and upright cows couldn't be rogues for a very long time

[royal lantern]

uhm its because im a Human and wanna rp as that->proceeds to skip all cutscenes and doesnt invite people from RP servers

[zenith tree]

being from Moon Guard is a debuff and I hate it

[red schooner]

Trolls though, rogues from the get go

[royal lantern]

ngl, i never looked at the servers anyway

[red schooner]

Nah RP servers are neat. It's neat just randomly coming across big player planned events

[rare jackal]

classic

[nova aspen]

human paladin probably the most played

[flat mesa]

Is Stonebound Artistry (weapon enchant) Simbait for Raid?

[royal lantern]

Human Paladin in T2 = 38 year old that thinks WotLK was Peak wow in all ways

[nova aspen]

woltk very memorable for me

i played horde tho

[robust ember]

good morning guys! New Rogue here. picking up the class for next season as it is the one class my team never has. atm im really liking the play style of Assassination but I feel like with the current built I am always starved for energy. I spread garrote and rupture when i can to generate more energy. Am I just spending energy too quickly?

[royal lantern]

!Design

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

it's fine, all the enchants and embellishments this expac suck

[nova aspen]

morning whisp

is the sun even up yet on the west coast

[balmy condor]

a lot easier for things to sim equal if they're all dogshit 0.x%

[hidden bay]

Yeah he just woke up next to me

[balmy condor]

rising atm

[nova aspen]

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/knight-xbox-gaming-elder-scrolls-games-gif-27629886

[royal lantern]

that eso trailer was funny cus like

2hand builds always suck in that game

[nova kelp]

a LOOOOOOOOOOOT of builds 2nd bar a 2 hander

tends to be better than a staff 2nd bar

[normal mist]

He's also a bad guy right?

[nova kelp]

he's not actually a character specifically

which is the actual tragic part of that trailer

in the end everything sucks compared to multiclassing now anyway

[radiant raven]

He's the cool Warrior main who won't stop playing pvp.

[cursive smelt]

Sorry to bother you, but I don't understand the last ping. What should I take in the belt for single target?

[coral ibex]

the 3 listed are within margin of error

[golden loom]

all of them being within margin of error means they are all the same

[coral ibex]

so it doesnt matter

[cursive smelt]

@golden loom Oh okay

[wet spire]

I have to say all of the ahit that could have been cool that blizzard gave us ends up being dogshit lol

I'm excited to see how bad their versions of weakauras turns out

[prime hull]

to be honest i prefer stat procs as more cool than random lightning that pulls mobs you ccd and destealths you

[wet spire]

Or ...get this they fix it lol

[red schooner]

I trust passive secondaries more than I trust blizzard to fix it

It'd be nice if they fix it, but yeah

[wet spire]

Yea and that's the exciting part about their weakauras lol

I just find the stats boring is all it's been just stats for everything they have released and it lame af

[cursive smelt]

after the proof that weak aura has too much power, some guys managed to change the one button to remove the 0.5 second delay which made their one button smoked)

If you don't stop this addon in the future it will become anything

yet I only play with the weak class aura right in the middle of my screen, no problem, I'll learn to play differently

[royal lantern]

"proof"

lol

like

the entire "announcement" just showed me that 99% of wow players cant read or understand written words

[cursive smelt]

Ah bon peut-être que toi non plus tu ne sais maintenant plus lire ni comprendre l'écrit ?

[royal lantern]

i dont speak spanish

[main blaze]

french

[royal lantern]

@midnight mist need spanish translation

[royal lantern]

norway?

[cursive smelt]

I do the best I can to speak your language with my knowledge

[royal lantern]

ok sorry then if it was rude

[cursive smelt]

No, it made me laugh, but others might take it the wrong way

[spice surge]

Not only was it fixed within hours but it was also using stuff thats 100% bannable

Aka not the basic weakaura suite

[fallow canopy]

voulez vous coucher avec moi?

[dapper cradle]

bro said coochie

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-feline-cute-close-up-gif-17802459

[royal lantern]

allright the thing is

its not "lmao addons bad we ban them"

like, they aim to ADD many of their features to the game

(even if i doubt they will do it in a good way)

[final star]

what you mean you can't change macros in combat usually?!!?!?

[royal lantern]

if there is something that is truly problematic, they just ban i fast

like they did multiple times

[midnight mist]

i dont speak spanish either

@subtle tundra need spanish translation

[gusty mirage]

@gilded oasis welcome back

[gilded oasis]

Ty king

[subtle tundra]

esto unas biblioteca

[waxen oyster]

Random damage proc isnt exciting

it contributes nothing to gameplay

[wet spire]

but it looks cool

random stats dont add anything either so i mean its meh either way

at least i can see lightning hitting shit lol

what is 4k mastery like .2% dmg?

[waxen oyster]

you cant see anything

[wet spire]

you know what youre right

[waxen oyster]

People playing wow zoomed all the way in or something

[zenith elm]

I just love seeing my DPS meter go up, idc how be it procs or stats 🤣

[static glacier]

yo its still charged bolts til the reset right, since all these changes come on reset

[red schooner]

Yup

[soft cape]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nail-file-gif-6041763

It's called rp and it's classy.
You wouldn't understand

[desert cove]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/803568511858901022/1139543380121104384/blinks.gif

[runic basin]

on ptr assa feels even more shitty wtf

[normal mist]

I heard @winged sun talking good about it

[runic basin]

idk but it feels like you have 95% no energy

[keen spruce]

that's assas

[winged sun]

the tier set doesnt work on energy

apparently

bug

doesnt scale with darkest night energy

[keen spruce]

envenom spammers not energy havers

[royal lantern]

how can guys still be suprised about that

and always call it "shity"

[desert cove]

I'm never surprised, I just don't like the design

[royal lantern]

then dont play it?

[desert cove]

not fun to just be out of energy for like, 30s until DM

[keen spruce]

There was like a couple of tiers where we had infinite energy but that's kind of been assas's whole shtick forever

[desert cove]

I play it b/c A: it's good, and B: I still like the spec

I just don't like the energy stuff

[royal lantern]

30+ other specs avaible that can spam without looking at their bar

[desert cove]

mostly just b/c of the tea change

not being able to control my energy output is kinda sadge

[polar rampart]

simplifying tea made it harder 😦

[royal lantern]

that change changed literally nothing at all

[keen spruce]

'member when we only had 100 energy and mutilate cost 60

[royal lantern]

like, legit 0

but ok

[keen spruce]

[wide gorge]

u have to slow ur gameplay to prepare for KB and DM windows

just pool

[royal lantern]

instead of using tea with shiv its now.....using tea with shiv

[desert cove]

I do, but sometimes I clip just like a few points below the energy point of forced tea

it's a skill issue I know

[royal lantern]

mate, that literally doesnt matter

dont tell me you play around it lol

[desert cove]

I know it doesn't matter

[royal lantern]

if yes, no wonder you think it plays bad lol

[red schooner]

Just bind tea to shiv, take tea off of your bars.

Its dead to us now

[keen spruce]

set blindside animation thingy to be invisible, remove tea from bars and macro

anything that isn't active u can just delete from your brain

when no energy just

[desert cove]

I think you're right, I'm thinking too actively about it

[keen spruce]

use that time to scroll RH

or yell at your raid buddies

[desert cove]

when I started playing rogue in DF I played outlaw

[red schooner]

Don't think, just hit buttons, this is the best advice.

[desert cove]

so going from perma active always to having downtime feels weird to me I guess?

[red schooner]

Not even me shitposting, just... hit buttons

[desert cove]

the only time I've had to think this raid tier is lining up the dry shiv with first add spawn on mythic gally

[keen spruce]

well yeah I mean the percieved pace of OL vs ass

is drastic

especially since they added crackrocks

[zenith elm]

and hit them hard

[main bridge]

hit them very hard and very fast

[keen spruce]

yeah you can still have high apm if you're spamming your buttons waiting for energy

starcraft warmup simulator

[main bridge]

many whelps, handle it

[zenith elm]

That's what i do

[desert cove]

bro I literally have to ad spam to keep my brain active while playing this spec

I'm cooked

[keen spruce]

I started ad spamming in BC cuz good PVPers did that

[scarlet orbit]

I dont need it to be engaged i just like pressing something

[keen spruce]

(i never pvpd)

[runic basin]

ahh okay

[red schooner]

I started ad spamming to flex on the casters who were stuck in place

[desert cove]

kinda based

[keen spruce]

whenever I play destro

I can't stop the wiggles

[desert cove]

my RL always gets pissy with me for AD spamming even though I can count the number of times on one hand it has caused problems

[keen spruce]

so many chaos bolts flushed

[keen spruce]

gm king

[red schooner]

the melee brainrot takes over

[zenith elm]

Good morning Handsome

[keen spruce]

unless there's a specific positioning reason not to it could not matter less

[zenith elm]

This is, exactly me rn

[desert cove]

that's what I always tell them

neurotypicals smh /s

[zenith elm]

RL always dislikes Ass rogue

[red schooner]

like our DK with gaol on mugzee continuously spamming ad and fucking up the positioning

That man also got himself killed on gorilla side of cauldron

[keen spruce]

Me and the DH used to chase each other around the Volcoros arena with the circles during prog

[zenith elm]

@red schooner and me FR

[keen spruce]

(he's also a duck)

[hidden bay]

you guys can just chill till everything is fixed on the PTR (public TEST realm)

[keen spruce]

!herp

[zenith elm]

We are all just silly ducks

[keen spruce]

[zenith elm]

[red schooner]

Or I can doompost a bit and flush it out of my system

[hidden bay]

you should start getting the correct color

you silly duck

[zenith elm]

Herp is speaking the language of gods

Hooray hooray for Herp !

[red schooner]

my raid leader asked me to learn sub as a flex role

[red schooner]

tbf its kind of fun

[humble verge]

i told him to fuck himself

[red schooner]

so may swap between sub and sin a bit this tier

[humble verge]

:3

[red schooner]

based

[desert cove]

based

[zenith elm]

Blasphemy

[red schooner]

I have seen the purple glowy light

[desert cove]

I'm gonna do what I always do

[keen spruce]

the trick is to just say "ok i learned sub" then show them how bad you are at sub

[desert cove]

play outlaw until it is unplayable in raid then swap to sin

[red schooner]

Sub also allows me adequate downtime between cooldowns, just like with sin and energy.

So there's ample time for me to file taxes mid raid

[humble verge]

so tuff

[red schooner]

Productivity boost

[zenith elm]

Us all, being silly ducks in chat

[hidden bay]

i never played sub

[desert cove]

I played sub once

that was enough

[zenith elm]

Can i get the name of the character ?

[hidden bay]

ok i lied, i played it on Zul

[zenith elm]

so that i can have him as my profile pictur

i've played sub once in dungeon, never again

[keen spruce]

I spent like 4 days hitting target dummies on sub before we got to zul only for it to be nerfed out of existence the next week

(we were a heroic guild)

[red schooner]

still full bleed for dungeons, just in raids, maybe a little bit of sub rogue

[desert cove]

sub in dungeon is just worse outlaw ironically enough

[red schooner]

as a treat

[desert cove]

had to steal BF from outlaw just to be somewhat enjoyable in keys

[zenith elm]

True true

my question still stands

[zenith elm]

who is this character?

[zenith elm]

Please Uberscot

hear my parole, and tell me, who is this character

[zenith elm]

You are torturing me

[zenith elm]

I do not speak Ninja language

please, help me someone 🥲

[keen spruce]

he ain't gonna tell u

[desert cove]

me asf when I play outlaw in raid

[humble verge]

ok his name is usagi

[zenith elm]

Thank you

but i have resigned, and forever shall remember this sad moment

in my profile picture, very sad

[hot pasture]

!light

[balmy condor]

!dark

[spice spire]

!heavy

[haughty flicker]

!whispyr

[worn geyser]

!yellr

[keen spruce]

#assassination message

[zenith elm]

!haste

[keen spruce]

[spice spire]

Real

[humble verge]

!cock

[hot pasture]

!spreadsheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[nova python]

!spreadcheeks

[winged sun]

ngl

rupture energy regen in raid feels way different than m+

feels like this shit does nothing holy shit

like rupturing other mobs, i think boss rupture is fine

[keen spruce]

[bronze pike]

yes

next question

[cold sparrow]

Hello, do we garrote adds at mugzee or only rupture for energy?

[balmy condor]

rupture

[cold sparrow]

thanks 🙏

[runic hinge]

[keen spruce]

[red schooner]

first ce lets gooo

[bronze pike]

grats grats

[storm forum]

[bronze pike]

[sullen mural]

Reclear mugzee > first gally kill

difficulty wise

[red schooner]

we can only pray that I am reclear bench

[hybrid jolt]

230 pulls deep on Mugz Prog. i hope so!

[keen spruce]

[royal lantern]

yooooo gz

[hybrid jolt]

but everything ive heard is basically "you kill mugz, gally dies)

[red schooner]

Gally is defo easier than Mugzee I reckon.

Like, Gally you get past the bad overlap, you got it

[spice spire]

That’s my (discombobulated) goat

[red schooner]

I'm free, prog is over

I can sleep until 11.2 now

[spice spire]

Now you’re in reclear prison

Gl king

[red schooner]

pls

i pray for the bench

give me the bench

[zenith elm]

You wont get the bench

[weary stump]

Just tell them your fish has to be taken to the hospital, easy bench excuse

[lethal arrow]

unlikely ur getting benched as an execute class with high survivability

but we can dream

[hybrid jolt]

spoke too soon!

[red schooner]

Hell yeah!

We got gally down in 3 and a bit raid nights, so you've got plenty of time for CE

You're chilling

[hybrid jolt]

236 pulls on mugz 💀

[red schooner]

The important thing, he's dead

Fuck that ogre

[hybrid jolt]

indeed. just need to kill him 1 more time so the whole raid roster can get it

unless i can snag a gally lockout, dunno if people trade them or not

[fallow canopy]

Grats 🐐

[spice spire]

He was my “would” boss of the tier

[vestal wren]

nicuuu congrats

[red schooner]

Thank you!

[runic terrace]

Do we dot the Coin-Adds on OAB with Rupture on Mythic?

[red schooner]

If you need energy then yeah

(We're sin, we always need energy)

[runic terrace]

2-3 CP Rupture is okay, or does it have to be higher?

[coral ibex]

the energy return scales with cp spent so that's up to you

[solar wyvern]

Rupture middle, step rupture left/right whichever you're hitting target boss

[cyan trellis]

is bad overlap the 3rd frontal ?

where its frontal right into soak?

[red schooner]

I forget, its 2:45 but yeah, frontal into soak

[cyan trellis]

gotcha

yeah my guild keeps dying there

[red schooner]

But, thats the main hard part

You get through that, you're good

[cyan trellis]

getting CE would be super poggers never gotten before

[red schooner]

You've got this

[cyan trellis]

race to world last hahaha

[red schooner]

Get through that bit consistently and yeah, you're sorted.

[cyan trellis]

❤️

[rocky zodiac]

gz man. Achieved my first CE also tonight

[red schooner]

Hell yeah, congrats!

[hidden bay]

the real question is

how did you parse

[rocky zodiac]

absolut desaster. got mechanically fucked big time got lines after lines and big circle and only managed a 14 after i couldnt pop my last set of CDs due do delay

[haughty flicker]

boss is dead though

we take those

[rocky zodiac]

absolutely. Parses come with reclears

[red schooner]

not that well, adds just instantly died

Top boss damage at least

[waxen oyster]

tbh gally is only going to get harder to parse

if you arent selling

kills will be under 7mins and adds die faster

[red schooner]

Adds just melted on prog anyhow

[waxen oyster]

not our last set

[red schooner]

Fuckin' barely got any spatters out

[waxen oyster]

because we had like 4 dps down

including a dk and warrior

[red schooner]

We just had classes that melted them, so I'm just there like, 'well, okay then'

[waxen oyster]

i sent my 5min dm a bit late

so didnt get full value last one

or pot

[vague dragon]

guys which plater is good for assassination

[runic hinge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[runic hinge]

One of those two at the bottom

[broken lion]

What are we using 3rd dinars for?

[red schooner]

For me, mythic jastors

[waxen oyster]

eye for me

[waxen oyster]

last 30s

[nova kelp]

mythic jastors was a bigger increase for me than trinket upgrades so that was my no.1

I can't use the eye lol

even gally doesn't last long enough for it to matter

[waxen oyster]

Well its hoc then jastor for me

nothing else worth buying

[nova kelp]

heroic jastors is a pretty good ring

[red schooner]

let me bin off the circlet so i'll take it

[nova kelp]

but hey, if you still have fight lengths worth an eye go nuts

[waxen oyster]

i've had heroic jastor for awhile

[nova kelp]

I had no luck on heroic jastors through prog

I don't think we even saw one drop till like mythic kill no.4

even after all the heroic farming

[waxen oyster]

got a normal one from tw quest

then from vault 2 weeks later

now i have a spare jc jastor in bag from dungeon quest

warrior alt saw it drop 3rd hc gally and won roll

[fallow canopy]

Eye for next tier

[waxen oyster]

yep

Literally only thing to buy really

[nova kelp]

meh

even next tier I'm not expecting the eye to be worth it

not many raid fights are long enough

thankfully

[broken lion]

Are we just using last dinar on weapon or what?

[buoyant herald]

What weapon would you need to use dinar on

[nova kelp]

for me the last dinar is the fucking pacemaker lol, I have the worst vault luck in existence

[neat smelt]

HoC-Jastor-Kezan

[red schooner]

Just send it on what Sims the best idk

[neat smelt]

at least what my choices were

[red schooner]

There's a droptimiser option for it

[broken lion]

hoc?

[runic hinge]

House of cards

[broken lion]

ohh

[nova kelp]

if I already had a pacemaker, I'd probably grab the mugzee knuckles lol

[runic hinge]

You can do signet and pacemaker if you don’t mythic raid

[broken lion]

Yeah I mean I guess Im just simming but I think my trinkets are set

[red schooner]

So, send that and go from there. There ain't a one size fits all option really

[nova kelp]

pacemaker >>>>> eye for me

even for raid

[red schooner]

Depends on what you've got already

[broken lion]

myth pace and signet and I have a H kezan in my bag

and H jastor

[red schooner]

Mythic bee trinket it is

[broken lion]

So Ill just sim but idk, I SHOULD get dagger from myth boss but like.

I just dont

[buoyant herald]

I’m not convinced eye is worth unless you have no other options, guess it might go hard for prog next tier as you get close to kills

Or you play keys with kindly tanks

[nova kelp]

eye for me doesn't even sim equal to pacemaker until I hit 8 mins

[buoyant herald]

Exactly

[nova kelp]

if it takes that long to hit par, I'm literally never bothering

[waxen oyster]

got it week 3

[buoyant herald]

Anyway if you’re out of options you should just take the clear best choice remaining

Mugzee knuckles for outlaw

[nova kelp]

that would be the choice for me if I already had a myth pace

[red schooner]

We don't advocate for self harm in this channel

[broken lion]

Yeah I might take knuckles since I wanna go back to outlaw next season

[waxen oyster]

Idk ill probably buy eye since nothing else worth after hoc and jastor

[buoyant herald]

KS got fixed it’s time to blast again

[red schooner]

[nova kelp]

to be fair, gun fu is pretty cool

[waxen oyster]

my last “upgrades” would be

to replace my crafted neck bracers or cloak

with 684s

but one has to be crafted for armor patch

[red schooner]

Myth jastors fit me for sure. Not simmed it but like, it's gotta be

[nova kelp]

jastors is yuge

[red schooner]

I'll send the sim Wednesday just in case

[waxen oyster]

hc to myth jastor for me was like

[red schooner]

But I can't see it losing

[waxen oyster]

12k on sim?

[nova kelp]

the jastor upgrade beat the hoc by a long margin for me

[waxen oyster]

my dh alt apparently

[nova kelp]

mind going cyrces to myth jastor

[waxen oyster]

hc jastor is worse than crafed ring

[royal lantern]

get out nerd

[waxen oyster]

so im safe on that

[red schooner]

I went hoc just for sub options as well

[waxen oyster]

its a bit funny how dh is like that

double crafted ring is my bis

[broken lion]

Idk its hard bc I can play assassination on 150-200 ping if Im playing in US servers which is really the only thing I like about it

[royal lantern]

i took HoC so gearing at the beginning of next season is a bit less cringe

can imagine that early gearing where stats are all over the place will be a bit oof with Signet which kinda needs mastery to function

[buoyant herald]

Good point

[red schooner]

Also signet + FB tier set is a bit scuffed

[waxen oyster]

i mean if you have access to hoc no point buying signet

[red schooner]

At least you have the 90 second trinket from the get go

[royal lantern]

wdym buy

i got it in vault

[waxen oyster]

i got pacemaker in vault

[royal lantern]

that one aswell

[waxen oyster]

week 3

[royal lantern]

in week3 or something

YOOOOOO

week 3 besties

[waxen oyster]

i got mechagon dagger week 2

[buoyant herald]

Gonna use this conversation to remind people of the pvp trinket on champ track from conquest vendor, crit with big agi on use 1min cd

That’ll be available again next season for a real easy one to grab

[royal lantern]

i play outlaw before i touch PvP for gear

[buoyant herald]

I don’t PvP lol I farm war crates while afk

[waxen oyster]

week 1 on the top

and each after

[buoyant herald]

That makes sense. Last season, after a week of delves, then after key farming

[waxen oyster]

i got a pacemaker in 2nd floodgate i did

was using mechanocore though since it simmed better

[buoyant herald]

I got signet in my first vault as my only option I’d done that week 🙃

[waxen oyster]

i used badge our first m vexie

[molten willow]

is this what I should be running for higher key levels?

This is whats on wowhead guide so I assume so but just wanted to ask

[nova kelp]

what's "higher"

[molten willow]

like 14 keyus up

[royal lantern]

yes

[nova kelp]

I mean you could just keep running bleed too

[broken lion]

Yeah simming dinars I get nothing besides Myth jastor which I cant yet

[royal lantern]

oh wait thats not bleed

yeha bleed works until the end lol

[runic hinge]

That is just regular hybrid

[nova kelp]

honestly I feel like the best answer is
"If you feel like you still need to ask, at all, the answer is bleed"

[buoyant herald]

That’s literally what the pin says isn’t it

[tall rose]

What posions are i using for St and for AOE

[coral ibex]

the ones you talent into

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[nova kelp]

i've seen people running instant with the bleed build too, which COULD be the question at hand

[coral ibex]

[nova kelp]

please do not do this

[runic hinge]

The command does, yeah

[coral ibex]

sounds dumb

[buoyant herald]

Surely this is just general foolishness and nothing to do with bleed build

Like you can’t even put points in your tree without taking deadly

[nova kelp]

Yeah, it's people not actually reading how their stuff works, but it's a thing that happens

[buoyant herald]

“Is caustic spatter bugged? I can’t get it to apply”

[nova kelp]

exactly

[buoyant herald]

Did you read the tooltip

lol no what am I some kind of literate nerd

[nova kelp]

but you gota remember that a LOT of players literally just copy paste builds, read rotation, and copy. A lot of the time they don't necessarily LEARN what does what and why until MUCH LATER

[buoyant herald]

If ever

But yeah you gotta find some sympathy for the uneducated sometimes

[nova kelp]

So some just copy paste the bleed build in, and apply instant poison because ??? reasons? maybe they think it LOOKS better? idk

[buoyant herald]

I don’t think they think at all. I think they just click the first poison on the dropdown

[nova kelp]

it's the same thing often with hunters. if you ever care to look at what lower performing peeps do sometimes you'll see bm hunters just pumping zero kill commands
YOU think but... why?
They think - why press 2 buttons when this one still does damage?

Which naturally sends your mind into a WILD spiral of questions and confusion, but they're not thinking that deep

although now you can just tell them "use 1 button assistant :)"

[buoyant herald]

Will that apply the correct poison though? 😂

[nova kelp]

ACTUALLY... I think it does?\

don't quote me on that, but I'm pretty sure it forces deadly application if you don't have anything

like it's not GOOD by any stretch, but it's definitely not attrocious

[elfin halo]

How does supercharger impact the "envenoms with max cp" part of Darkest Night? Do you have to actually fill the cp bar to trigger the new stacks of deathstalker's mark, or do the bonus 2-3 cp count towards max cp?

[runic hinge]

You should just use normal finisher rules

5+ and 7 for darkest night

[elfin halo]

ok, so the supercharged CP don't count towards the total for the darkest night mechanic

[turbid sandal]

yes it does

[elfin halo]

ok, then 4-5 cp should trigger it depending on if you have superchager (and possibly forced induction)

[turbid sandal]

yeah it will

[elfin halo]

thanks!

[spice surge]

It will but its better to not care about the superchargers

[topaz crow]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[molten willow]

Anyone here use murloc io?

[balmy condor]

Too many people probably

[molten willow]

I just learned of it today but ive been playing with a bud of mine who told me top rogues using the abilities here https://murlok.io/rogue/assassination/3v3

for m+ and rn im using a twist the knife build with supercharger

and it feels weird to play but they say the top rogues are using this build for higher keys

[balmy condor]

Correct

[balmy condor]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[winged sun]

listen up gym rat, that build aint no steroids ok

u run it for high keys 17-22s

otherwise its a big dps loss

[molten willow]

hmm whhat makes it dps loss

this new bujild is odd but I am still trying to learn it for when I get to that levfel but at the same time it feels odd as hell

[winged sun]

fights in 16s and below, bosses live too short making bleed build decent on st on them because the fights dont last 10 years

[molten willow]

right

that makes senes

[balmy condor]

Sudden demise is also just a flat damage

[molten willow]

but this other build

[winged sun]

and bleed build does way more aoe in low keys

[worn geyser]

also prio targets live like 10 less envenoms and its annoying af to resetup spatter fast enough before pack dies

[balmy condor]

More mob health = sudden demise doing the same damage = less % big good

[winged sun]

sudden demise doesn't even proc in higher keys sometimes

cuz too much hp

they die too fast because everyone's pumping 20-30m dps

wwwwwwwwwwwww

oops

[balmy condor]

But yeh, if you’re desperate like a housewife with a traveling husband and just NEEDD THAT BOSS DAM SO BAD

[molten willow]

gotcha ok

[balmy condor]

Then you play cleave

[molten willow]

so cleave if I need that boss damn badly just running cleave

[balmy condor]

You have to scratch at your neck like a crack addict when you talk about needing more single target as well

That’s a requirement

[winged sun]

i've seen bleed do rly good st dmg on very low keys

now that everyone is geared up

[molten willow]

hmm ill work on crack

[worn geyser]

and start posting cinderbrew first pull details pictures from the 1\10 pull u top dps over the uhdk

[balmy condor]

True true

[molten willow]

Is this the cleave build btw?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[molten willow]

gotcha

So the cleave build does use supercharger and forced induction becaues I think the guide had different talents running

[winged sun]

idk what guide ur looking at

but

wowhead has everything cuh

[molten willow]

oops

The Raid cleave one on the wowhead guid yes?

[balmy condor]

The.. RAID cleave?

For RAID?

[balmy condor]

RAID?

[worn geyser]

I think that m+ is different from raid just a hunch tho

[molten willow]

im so confused 😭

[balmy condor]

Is raid mythic+?

[molten willow]

nooo

[balmy condor]

Then probably not that build

[worn geyser]

if u scroll down a lil it shows the m+ build variations

[molten willow]

oh nvm

found it

[worn geyser]

also just out of curiosity in that guide u linked, u werent using the 3v3 talents right, cause thats what u linked to and if so that is very funny ngl

[molten willow]

3v3?

[molten willow]

Thank you 🙂

[worn geyser]

like player vs player 3v3