assassination

[molten junco]

But the rest seems okay-ish ig

[brave comet]

and ignored applying rupture for a while for me

[waxen oyster]

the best part about patch

is recuperate

[molten junco]

haven't tried enough yet

[waxen oyster]

dont have to need no stinky mage buns

[brave comet]

are you talking about the classic spell?

[lyric gate]

belt actually slaps

just another 25 week timegate

to get that 0.2% more item level upgrade

[waxen oyster]

the thing in the spellbook

[frozen glacier]

a lot of stuff just announced for 11.2 on wowhead

[keen mantle]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/war-within-season-3-mythic-full-rotation-revealed-377226

Funnel dungeons

assa is meta

ill come back next season

cya

[frozen glacier]

i never did the tazavesh dungeons

are they good for ass

[keen mantle]

ye gambit is like 1 big more and 1000 smallish

streets is like big pulls still

[molten willow]

fucking dawnbreaker are you kidding me and priory jesus christ

[lyric gate]

no fu king way ?

[molten willow]

yuick

[lyric gate]

i wanted court of stars

what is this shit game

[keen spruce]

Season 3 mog

[frozen glacier]

yeah mog looks sick

[molten willow]

THey should of brought back Cathederal of night

[keen spruce]

looks pretty roguey

[frozen glacier]

and another borrowed power system

yay

[keen spruce]

another fancy cloak

[topaz horizon]

Or Seat of the Triumvirate

[winged quail]

Oh boy hero-talent based tier sets, I sure am looking forward to that

I love our hero talents

[hasty viper]

,,You can now trigger Deathstalker's mark with 5+ CP finishers when you have darkest night up"

[frozen glacier]

what if blizzard are incredibly based and change deathstalkers mark to be on the player

[strange tundra]

Dawnbreajer the most boring dungeon ever to farm

Thank God its fast af

[stuck knoll]

Why did Rogue have an etheral mog in season 1 and not this season

[golden loom]

cause kyveza is sick as fuck

[hasty viper]

I'd guess because Kyveza

[golden loom]

[stuck knoll]

That was the first thing that occurred to me seeing this raid

[hasty viper]

Yea

[desert cove]

GUYS

[keen spruce]

I'm not a geologist

[desert cove]

sin rogue in the first look

[stuck knoll]

okay but like surely an etheral raid>1 etheral boss right

[desert cove]

doing a delve

we're so back

[hasty viper]

Tbf. Kyveza was kind of an important set piece in the palace and she was a fucking sick boss. So I don't mind it much

[golden loom]

wonder when she is showing up again

[molten willow]

or the Arcway

[hasty viper]

The post on wowhead says she's in the delve

[golden loom]

bruh

[stuck knoll]

It's gonna be like the Broker guy in CN and Sepulchre

just complaining about us showing up again

[frozen glacier]

so kyveza gonna be the delve boss

[stuck knoll]

[frozen glacier]

i figured she would be one of the raid bosses

[hasty viper]

Yeah I think so

This is written under the new delve

[golden loom]

so shes gonna be like underpin or zekvir

I mean I guess they could make it a cool solo fight

[hasty viper]

Yeah for us it's gonna be the coolest

[golden loom]

https://tenor.com/view/isshin-ashina-sekiro-sword-saint-gif-18951335

[hasty viper]

1 v 1 assasins fighting

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-upgradeable-artifact-cloak-coming-in-patch-11-2-reshii-wraps-377249 guys i dont like it

[hasty viper]

Eh, weekly warbound shit with catchup, it's gonna be alr

[coral ibex]

i love weekly chores i love weekly chores i love weekly chores

[visual sun]

someone check pins if cloak is bis

[spice spire]

Whispyr left us

[spice surge]

Now were stuck with sadwhispyr instead, it is what it is

[spice spire]

Not enough people are testing his game

[normal mist]

xDD

[old obsidian]

wtf happen?

[molten willow]

Hope he feel better

[old obsidian]

oooh

[normal mist]

He's doing a new 2d game project with his friends

[old obsidian]

got hacket

[normal mist]

xD

[humble verge]

so

its the ilvl 700 timegated?

i assume

[old obsidian]

Whispyr got hackermanned, it happens, don't let it happen to you''''''''

[nova aspen]

is it time gated

good one

[humble verge]

HoA for next tier

[nova aspen]

time-gate is in blizzards terms of agreement, "u agree to let blizzard dangle everything in front of u locked behind time"

[humble verge]

wrong

its called

we-still-need-your-money-content

oh no

we're getting a new artifact

[nova aspen]

yes thats right

it goes in the borrowed power time gate hole

https://tenor.com/view/the-square-hole-square-hole-shapes-piklas-gif-24625312

[humble verge]

:3

[fallow canopy]

:3

[marble hemlock]

tbf it doesnt seem like its actually going to be borrowed power

and just a mechanical thing

the borrowed power is prolly gonna be the tier sets

(not in the sense that the cloak will give a sizable chunk of more DPS than any other item and then be gone again)

[pearl mauve]

pinned message is up to date for belt "enchant" ?
Been playing with the charged bolt but it's proccing while I'm in stealth, kinda annoying. Is there one not breaking stealth ?

[golden loom]

you can add /cancelaura to stealth

[rain berry]

hi, the new belt can have 2 sockets? or only the default one?

[golden loom]

/cancelaura Charged Bolts
/cast Stealth
From outlaw pins

[golden loom]

only the default one

[pearl mauve]

thx ! still another annoying dumb ass design, I really enjoy assa but so many weirdly/badly designed things here and there....

[nova aspen]

i could see that

i just assumed cuz wowhead post called it borrowed power kek

[royal lantern]

clickbait? on wowhead??

[nova aspen]

[blazing plaza]

hey. 691 is the max level of the belt this week ?

[brave comet]

vs mugzee would you guys still use charged bullet even though it might target the shielded add?

[golden loom]

dont think anything is getting close to 2%+ damage of the other options

[brave comet]

i just wish all of these upgrades werent so random

its a 50/50 chance this thing does 0 damage on mugzee

[solemn echo]

Bit more than that

[golden loom]

well it for sure does more than 0

[solemn echo]

Hits mines too

But prolly still ur best bet

Just omega cringe

[brave comet]

how did it do that damage against mk2

dont they take 99% less damage

[golden loom]

well not after their shield is broken

[solemn echo]

The targeted frontal breaks the shield

[brave comet]

is this heroic?

[solemn echo]

Prolly not

Not my log

[brave comet]

cause mk2 still has its shield within the first 20 seconds of the fight

[solemn echo]

Correct

It's the elemental front sorry

Not finger guns

Oh that's right this was a parse run heroic for that guy

But point still stands

[brave comet]

oh thats a heroic log, heroic mugzee doesnt matter

[solemn echo]

Yeah

My point was it hits mines

[brave comet]

ah

[solemn echo]

Which is arguably worse

[brave comet]

oh thats unarguably worse

[solemn echo]

Kekw

Still prolly better tho /shurgs

[cloud basin]

maybe fatebound good in S3?

LOL

[brave comet]

i guess ill stick with it for now

[solemn echo]

xd

[hallow glade]

maybe if the coin is aoe and you dont lose damage from delivered doom on certain fights

[keen tundra]

Dioes charged bolts not show up on details?

[waxen oyster]

not vs dummies

for some reason

[waxen oyster]

play vers trust

[quasi hill]

Is unlocking the belt account wide or does every Twink need to go Delves twice ?

[waxen oyster]

powers are acc wide belt isnt

ngl if you have more than 1-2 alts you need help

[strange tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/akira-job-application-get-a-job-akira-job-application-gif-8274337411388777231

[zenith elm]

Anyone seeing no BIS neck for next season for now

i feel its gonna be in the raid 🥲

[spice surge]

Craft

[zenith elm]

It's gonna be the way 🥲

[normal mist]

What's a bis neck

[zenith elm]

I'd say one neck skewed into mastery or crit and maybe haste with it a little

cause i feel like in raid we benefit a lot from haste

[drifting cloud]

this is assa channel

Sir

[normal mist]

It is

He's lost

[zenith elm]

??

[normal mist]

Hehehe

[drifting cloud]

unless you know stats on tier and special items

[normal mist]

Basically the only thing we should consider bis are trinkets and special items

The rest is SimCity

[strange tundra]

I do not want to raid
If they make neck raid achievable only I will kms

(In Minecraft)

[zenith elm]

i hope ara kara trinket is better than stimulator

cause damn it's skewing my stats sometimes

[normal mist]

Wdym?

[zenith elm]

cause if i get some random procs of crits and my stimulator at the same times it procs crit on Priory trinket

and i want mastery, not crits ^^'

[normal mist]

Why

Ah

Priory

[zenith elm]

Yes

and i wont have HOC next season

[normal mist]

Yeah that's the only trinket that forces us to move stats around unfortunately

[zenith elm]

only priory 🥲

I really hope there's a mastery active trinket next raid

or agility active trinket

Idc, pls just no priory 🥲

[waxen oyster]

idk assa stats are flexible

which is nice

just super annoying for shit like droptimizers

[stone gust]

!corruption

[strange tundra]

#assassination message

[normal mist]

Back when whispyr was huge here

[strange tundra]

Why what happened to him

[normal mist]

Oh you don't know

His (discord) acc got compromised

[drifting cloud]

we sent him to monster rehab

[strange tundra]

How tf

Ts?🥀 💔 😭

[zenith elm]

So sad

[strange tundra]

Nvm I just read he got backstabbed by his friend from uni

sucks

[normal mist]

Maybe his friend was already compromised as well

Happens to the best of us

[strange tundra]

#assassination message

[normal mist]

I see

[zenith elm]

Damn

[subtle tundra]

maybe that guy also got got...

[coral ibex]

you are probably just low on mastery overall then

wow that took forever to send

[pearl halo]

hi wich buff we take on rogue assasination?

for the belt

[coral ibex]

pins

[lavish portal]

this belt with charged bolts get me out of stealth sometime if tank pulls next pack, someone have the same issue?

[brave comet]

my crit chance here is disgusting

[astral plover]

is echoing void still bugged?

[brave comet]

yes

[astral plover]

Nice

[shut needle]

Is it possible that rogue visions with 8 masks are bugged? I almost get one-hit by a non-elite group i got no probs with 7 masks.

[thick sigil]

well if you add multitudes mask and the one that bolsters.. ye that'll happen

[kindred flare]

Use tank Sori, let her walk in and get aggro then tricks and murder

[royal lantern]

murder?????

im calling the authority's

[lavish portal]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[normal mist]

guys

this is legit

[last skiff]

switch the 5

for more

[normal mist]

nah, i need to see some cds

[thick sigil]

so belt seems to be quiet shit on mug, or just me? targets random shit constantly

[shut needle]

without bolster one mop hits me already with 800k-1,2mio

[waxen oyster]

Its random targeting

[thick sigil]

ye, was unsure if its actually worth using because of that

[vestal cliff]

YO why is this healthbar so cool

[royal lantern]

charged bolts is the effect the belt starts with, right

[nimble tartan]

anyone try the one button rotation in mythic raid yet

ima do it next week

[normal mist]

right?! its dk only tho

[royal lantern]

if you like doing tank dmg and having stuff used at bad times, sure

[spice surge]

How to not get your stealth removed with the new Belt

When stealthing with the belt buff active (charged bolts) the chain lightnings will remove you from stealth. This using this macro to stealth will prevent this from happening
#showtooltip /cast Stealth /cancelaura Charged Bolts

[distant plinth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[worn geyser]

actual goat

[subtle tundra]

aint no way my friend pauses the anime to roll a joint fucking hell
and i have to go to work tomorrow

fuck adult life bring back 2020

[strange tundra]

Is this an issue with electric ?

[runic hinge]

Fuck adult life

[waxen oyster]

Is it even worth to play bolt if you cancel the buff half the time?

[worn geyser]

tbh in high keys maybe depending on dungeon to help ST ig

otherwise since its so easy to swap them might as well use electric right

[thorn thorn]

Is it good

[normal mist]

im afk doing my work as a tank

[thorn thorn]

The ele one is not good

[worn geyser]

tbh one button might get me to send a steam deck to do my wow chores on my inoffice days at work seems kinda gas

[waxen oyster]

i tested it on my rogue last night

it hit kb then shiv x2

then snd

[worn geyser]

manual snd hell ya

[misty holly]

I just saw hero talent tier sets coming! Maybe they gonna make fatebound good finally.

[normal mist]

who knows!

[waxen oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[versed mica]

This made me laugh I'm sorry

[thorn thorn]

Could be worse

You could have a 25% damage loss from bugs

[waxen oyster]

thats what you get for playing anime class

[hot pasture]

!spreeadsheet

!spreadshet

!spread

[thorn thorn]

Wouldnt that be dh

[waxen oyster]

have you seen the hair

[thorn thorn]

nope

[waxen oyster]

human male

foxtail

[bitter apex]

We fucking did it bois!

[royal lantern]

gz

[bitter apex]

ty

[ocean quiver]

gz on the lorewalking achievement bro!!

[red schooner]

Gally 12%, next raid night I'm free

It has to be over

[edgy mauve]

Belt is so good, cant even put engieering tinkers on it

[bronze pike]

I’m literally

So upsetti

[thorn thorn]

do you pay protpal

[pure bridge]

The tier set is going to make One Armed Bandit coins that you have to roll yourself to do damage and get buffs.

[solemn echo]

Then the reclears begin

[red schooner]

Yeah but reclears are chill

I hope

[marble hemlock]

set bonuses out

[red schooner]

I dunno never got CE before, they better be chill

[upper timber]

lets go

[red schooner]

Raid leader told people to focus adds, adds died instantly. I'm shocked.

[marble hemlock]

Season 3 Setbonuses

Deathstalker

• 2pc: Shiv increases the effectiveness of all Deathstalker damage effects and damage bonuses by 50% while active.
• 4pc: Shiv has 2 sec increased duration and consumes an application of your active Deathstalker's Mark when activated.
• Somewhat simple set bonus built around Shiv which just buffs Deathstalker even more.

Fatebound

• 2pc: Kingsbane deals 10% increased damage and has 4 sec increased duration. Edge Case now flips an additional Fatebound Coin and activating Kingsbane triggers its effect.
• 4pc: Having a lucky Fatebound Coin reduces the cooldown of Deathmark by 30.0 sec and Kingsbane by 15.0 sec.
• This effect retroactively reduces the CD, and with the new set bonus you are guaranteed a 7-flip in your opener, so this is not RNG at all.
• Turns us into a 90-sec CD spec which has some big ramifications depending on encounter design, and gives us even more flexibility for Raid. Probably still shit in AoE though.

Within seconds we figured out that the set bonuses are 13.7563% gain so you don't have to ask about it. (For legal reasons, this is a joke.)

Pins will be updated when smart people have figured this shit out. Since most of these could potentially lead to minor or major rotational shifts, figuring out how good these actually are is gonna take a little.

[subtle tundra]

wtf is that fatebound one

holy fuck

a pain in the asshole

[fallow canopy]

time to flip some coins

[red schooner]

STILL NO EVOKER DISPELS

PLEASE

I BEG

[subtle tundra]

what is lucky fatebound coin?

[humble ginkgo]

YES WERE SO FUCKING BACK

[upper timber]

that deathstalker tier set looks so bad

[humble ginkgo]

FATEBOUND GAMBA FTW

[upper timber]

but who knows after sims

[humble ginkgo]

I love being able to highroll and do 3 times the other rogues damage just because i was lucky on fatebound rolls

[subtle tundra]

dont underestimate it

[upper timber]

true

[subtle tundra]

a whole 1.5%er

[red schooner]

Shiv to burn a deathstalker charge seems pretty good

[indigo mulch]

They adding even more rng to fatebound? D:

[subtle tundra]

but look at the bright side. not a mastery increase

[red schooner]

Good thing I'll never play it

[upper timber]

I feel like that shiv consumption is going to bug with DN

[indigo mulch]

LOL

100%.

[red schooner]

Shiv removes DN, we lose mark

For sure

[upper timber]

LOL

[marble hemlock]

i feel bad for sub

[plush isle]

is it a bug that fatebound and deathstalker work for outlaw/sub ?

[marble hemlock]

that trickster bonus is just super uninspired and boring

[thick sigil]

man i had hoped they would throw out deathstalker, seems not

eh

[rare jackal]

nice

assa stealing the 1:30 burst

from sub now too

epic

[thick sigil]

well maybe

[humble ginkgo]

fatebound might be the most fun thing ive heard since season 3 shadowlands sub rogue

[thick sigil]

if you actually get RNG

[humble ginkgo]

I LOVE rng and CDR

[marble hemlock]

but the assa ones seem very POSSIBLY rotation-altering

[humble ginkgo]

lets go bro

[marble hemlock]

why?

[humble ginkgo]

RNG and cdr is goated

[marble hemlock]

no i meant, why do you...

[humble ginkgo]

oh

lmao

[marble hemlock]

glad youre still alive tho skip

[humble ginkgo]

just chilling

[indigo mulch]

What is the "Lucky fatebound coin" though?

I haven't played enough fatebound <.<

Is that the get 6 in a row kind of thing?

[thick sigil]

y

[plush isle]

aving a lucky Fatebound Coin reduces the cooldown of Deathmark by 30.0 sec and Kingsbane by 15.0 sec.

[indigo mulch]

Nice, so you might not even get it then. Cool cool.

[plush isle]

What is a lucky Fatebound coin ?

[marble hemlock]

the capstone

when you get 7 flips in a row

[indigo mulch]

You have to roll the same coin x amount of times in a row. Its the one that gives fatebound the extra agi.

[plush isle]

The 0,7% chance ?

[karmic dawn]

You know I'm gonna be using that giga gambling build next tier.

[marble hemlock]

When your Fatebound Coin flips the same face for the seventh time in a row, keep the lucky coin to gain 7% Agility until you leave combat for 10 seconds.

[golden loom]

wait doesnt the 2 piece make getting capstone in opener 100%

[indigo mulch]

But still, its super common that you don't even get that in your opener, so getting it outside of your cds vanish etc is just not going to happen.

Oh

[tranquil cobalt]

Fatebound tier set looks really good right

[marble hemlock]

the 2pc together with proper use of vanish etc. will basically guarantee it

[golden loom]

we might be so back

[marble hemlock]

you already kinda could before any of this as long as the first 2-3 rolls were the same

[golden loom]

or we might not

[marble hemlock]

(but needed CB for that)

[fallow canopy]

the innate problem of it being shit in aoe compared to deathstalker is still there no?

[indigo mulch]

But its still going to be awful for aoe.

[golden loom]

yeah I mean currently the entire opener relies on a 50/50

[marble hemlock]

now you can prolly skip that dogwater talent and still get consistent 7-rolls

[indigo mulch]

hmm

[marble hemlock]

dunno how i feel about the 4pc cdr tho

random cdr on assa seems... not it

[subtle tundra]

imagine you highroll another lucky coin

1 min cd deathmark

poooooooooooging

[fallow canopy]

some ethical and based parsing in the horizon

[golden loom]

u cant roll another lucky coin...MEOW

[subtle tundra]

anyways cd timers are so fucked with that tier set

imagine you proc it and press DM, oops now i dont have the deathmark for 3min adds

[rocky zodiac]

i hate the CDR on the set... literally coinflip if you do damage

[indigo mulch]

I mean if you can garantee the coinflip every 2min then atleast you can do it i guess.

[worn geyser]

"to gain 7% Agility until you leave combat for 10 seconds" am i stupid is it until you leave combat or is it 10 seconds

[thorn thorn]

KB duration is pog

[fallow canopy]

until you leave combat

[subtle tundra]

errr isnt it fucked though cause vanish is still 2 minute?

[plush isle]

Maybe reducing the Cooldown doesn't mean just for the next Cooldown Usage but for all

[fallow canopy]

and then 10 secs

[subtle tundra]

so 2nd DM onwards they are desync'd

[marble hemlock]

what do we need vanish for though?

[worn geyser]

ty i see

[subtle tundra]

to keep proc'ing the lucky coin

and be 1.5min spec

[marble hemlock]

i mean yeah

[humble verge]

my old guild 😭

[marble hemlock]

but thats not really the issue with 2 vanish charges (assuming we still play that)

[subtle tundra]

uh i dont see how thats ever viable in raid

[marble hemlock]

idk how thatll be for raid though

idk its all kind of whack

like

[proper schooner]

What does consuming an application of deathstalker mark mean

[marble hemlock]

do you plan for 90sec cd consistently?

what if it procs twice and your DM/Kb area ready earlier

[indigo mulch]

lol true

[marble hemlock]

do you just... not use it? cause you are assigned to use it every 90?

[subtle tundra]

anyways its gonna be deathstalker everywhere

[marble hemlock]

etc.

[subtle tundra]

so no need to think about fatebound

[marble hemlock]

it means that if your mark is at 3 stacks, and you use shiv, it goes down to 2, same as if you cast a finisher

it will basically allow us to cycle through marks faster, and get more DN procs

[devout mist]

can u even get lucky coin consistently every 90s?

[proper schooner]

Ah ok

[golden loom]

more ENVENOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[indigo mulch]

If we can garantee that we can become a 90s spec with some talents etc, then i would totally go for it, but if its just a "maybe" then its just another deathstalker tier even if fatebound sims way higher.

What if that add needs to die extremly fast but my fatebound coins didnt proc so i don't have my cds for it now.

[zealous moth]

what are our thoughts on S3 set gang?

[worn geyser]

i am praying on fatebounds downfall i want 0 to do with any gamba related activities

[zealous moth]

quick look at 4set and it feels like absolute ass

[elfin flame]

imagine forming an m+ route around being a 1:30 spec and then u dont lucky roll and u have to go again

[indigo mulch]

Unless they rework the tree i don't think you have to worry about that. Deathstalker will always dumpster fatebound on aoe.

[marble hemlock]

you aint gonna be playing that in m+ anyway

since maintaining coins in m+ is really really whack

[fallow canopy]

fatebound is in the st jail

[marble hemlock]

theres forced downtime in many of the new dungeons

[elfin flame]

surely there are some critters about

[indigo mulch]

I mean, we don't know what the raid looks like. It could be super ST heavy. In that case maybe fatebound?

But like... the last couple of raids have not been so... 😄

[humble ginkgo]

Hey man PTR is up where are the sims

[devout mist]

we know we have a 3 boss council at some point

[humble verge]

whispyr is dead

wdym?

why would there be sims

[elfin flame]

but nah assa deathstalker 2 set seems wild. we already have giga prio. singular focus to the moon rn

[marble hemlock]

the dryshivs with that new 2pc are gonna be stupid

[indigo mulch]

yeah

[marble hemlock]

then again, the extended duration might mean we could be looking at symbolic victory instead

[main solar]

This just going to make me hate hero talents even more

[rose inlet]

2s buff to shiv uptime kinda odd

[marble hemlock]

with the mark countdown effect on it as well, we'll basically almost always get a DN envenom during every shiv that way

[indigo mulch]

I have to say though, design wise. Trickster sub really got shafted by something extremely big and black.

[marble hemlock]

getting 27% damage bonus to all envenoms during shiv might outweigh 45% from lingering darkness

but ye for us its mostly fine

[winged widget]

cant wait to have that bug where you go from 6 stacks directly to 8 and never actually proc the lucky coin because of it.
it's gonna be so fun

[marble hemlock]

but for some other classes, these new set bonuses basically remove a lot of talent variety

by just forcing one build very hard

[sharp falcon]

no reason I can see they'd ever be desync'd -- maybe I missed some context though (didnt read all comments)

[ocean quiver]

new tier sounds good?

[marble hemlock]

kinda the same for fatebound, theres no way youre playing a KB-less build now

[red schooner]

Oh shit, outlaw finally got KS changed

Hell yes

[serene mason]

w

[indigo mulch]

But if we can't garantee the DM's to be 90s i just find it very weird to use. Like if we are at fight x and we're assigned to do x to y mob at 90s. I might not even have it cause my lucky coin didn't proc that rotation. So thats kind of an oof if you ask me.

[restive falcon]

Having a lucky Fatebound Coin reduces the cooldown of Deathmark by 30.0 sec and Kingsbane by 15.0 sec.

r we going fatebound finally?

[red schooner]

Although every class, MANY changes, rogues - just KS change.

Still huge but also, pls, a little bit more

You started cooking, finish the meal

[indigo mulch]

Is it going to be another round of 5% more aoe 2 days before the raid releases? 😄

[haughty flicker]

uh

[wind totem]

Fatebound wont desync DM and KB but will desync doublt shiv windows on kingsbane and that sounds kinda janky

[haughty flicker]

is it just me or do both of these tier sets sound weird as fuck

idk if i like either of them

lmao

[sharp falcon]

On a raid boss, it'll basically be 90/45 the whole time. You don't have to re-proc it mid fight, just once to start the fight

[wind totem]

I like them in theory

[red schooner]

DS seems okay from the outset

Dunno there's probably something tied to it that I'm too dumb to see

[sharp falcon]

very weird. You'll just have to try to see what u like or dont 🙂

[red schooner]

But at the moment, this is alright

[haughty flicker]

i respect the attempt to do something more than "you do x more damage" at least

[frozen glacier]

guys the janitor that works nights at blizzard and does rogue balance changes hasn't had time to include all the rogue changes

[haughty flicker]

and the trickster one sounds hype for sub

[wind totem]

Stop dooming about balance changes

Numbers are easy to tweak

[frozen glacier]

hes typing

[indigo mulch]

I'm guessing there is an icd on that proc so it can only happen once per 90s or something then, but what if you don't get it in your opener? Thats the main issue i had with fatebound on live. Unless you delay your cds and stuffs you can't garantee your lucky coin in your opener. I think thats my biggest peev with fatebound. Will there be a way for us to garantee the luckycoin in the opener?

[haughty flicker]

sadwhispyr about to unleash

[wind totem]

Pretty sure you can guarantee 6 coin flips on opener

[indigo mulch]

Hide your children!

[wind totem]

not sure about the 7th

[haughty flicker]

i mean i think you can get 7 for sure in opener with 2p no

[wind totem]

I counted 6 with the 2p. But I've never played fatebound so I honestly have no idea.

[shell plaza]

release date for the path or no?

[sharp falcon]

I bet you'll find a way to collect it in your opener, given the set bonuses available... just a guess.

And you only collect the coin once, it's not an ICD thing. Once you collect it, it's as if your CDs are 90/45 permanently, until you manage to lose that coin (which is never in a raid fight, just in the previous example)

[frozen glacier]

whispyr typing an essay

[waxen oyster]

deathstalker tier sounds like it makes dry shivs even more potent

[pure bridge]

Deathstalker Dry Shivs going to hit like a nuclear bomb?

[haughty flicker]

yeah those dry shivs are gonna go hard

[marble hemlock]

but what if you don't get it in your opener?
that wont ever happen if both KB and DM get you 2 edge case charges each and CB also gives you 2 guaranteed rolls

your first 7flip is guaranteed in the opener with that set

[indigo mulch]

Ohhh, thanks for that clarification!

[devout mist]

oh so mandatory CB

[red schooner]

Happy for outlaw, they're free

They can blast

[shell plaza]

mid august patch or ?

[haughty flicker]

cb was already mandatory for fatebound

[indigo mulch]

Yeah, sounds good. I just hope it will be somewhat useful on AoE cleave. Right now DM is just so much better. There isen't even a comparison 😦

[rose inlet]

sorry is this saying that the cdr will apply to the entire encounter if it procs once?

[marble hemlock]

And you only collect the coin once, it's not an ICD thing. Once you collect it, it's as if your CDs are 90/45 permanently, until you manage to lose that coin (which is never in a raid fight, just in the previous example)
okay thats cool

[sharp falcon]

Yes. And the first proc will refresh that much time if the abilities were already on CD

[rose inlet]

okay thats sick

[sharp falcon]

So u dont have to freak out about getting 7 in a row BEFORE using CDs, its okay, just send

[indigo mulch]

Just out of curiousity... If you die? Does the "cdr buff" disapear? :p

[frozen glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

whispyr rn

[devout mist]

this will get nerfed, starting to sounds like the aoe kidney shot 😐

[plush isle]

So Start will be => Double Jeopardy => Cold Blood (Inevitable End) => Envenom => Deathmark/Kingsbane (4x Edge Case) => 7 Coins ?

[devout mist]

too good to be true

[golden loom]

Thats good to hear

[red schooner]

Waiting for whispyr to just drop a 'changes seem neat' after this much typing

[haughty flicker]

im coming around to the fatebound one the more i think about it

[red schooner]

I like having the set bonuses have active effects instead of just, 'more damage'

Thats neat

[devout mist]

how much begging will it take to make tea a choice node where it doesnt auto proc 🏃‍♂️‍➡️

[indigo mulch]

What if you die during the encounter? I don't remember if you lose the AGI buff when you die. Does that mean i will lose the CDR buff as well?

[glacial relic]

me looking at fatebound rn

[fallen charm]

the unalingment of shivs with kb dm are giving me nighmares

[haughty flicker]

dont die

4head

[indigo mulch]

I mean.. It will happen whenever you like it or not kekw

[runic hinge]

Bless you

For making fb good

[red schooner]

Now it just needs to make FB not die when there's more than 1 target

[frozen glacier]

holy

[indigo mulch]

[marble hemlock]

i can pin you in all kinds of ways

[restive falcon]

[winged sun]

sin will be crazy meta in m+

be ready everyone

45k agility trinket too

and empowered deathmark

its legit over

[indigo mulch]

I don't think we will play fb in keys tho 😄

[plush isle]

Every Class gets like 50 Changes, Rogues get One 🙂

[scenic kiln]

wait sadwhispyr what happened to real whispyr

[marble hemlock]

playing fatebound in m+ is certainly a choice

[scenic kiln]

sadge

[indigo mulch]

Its a repeat of 11.1 😄

[scenic kiln]

its a repeat of all of 11.x

[devout mist]

we are so perfect we dont need changes

[elfin sapphire]

[indigo mulch]

We legit got nothing until the last couple of days, then they buffed us with some aoe that noone really asked for.

[hidden bay]

man i had such bad raid today

[raw marlin]

Pinky promise?

[hidden bay]

couldve been better

[indigo mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/blush-chip-smile-happy-flattered-gif-17057004678816887909

[hidden bay]

i legit fell asleep on mugzee

[devout mist]

the humble brag

[burnt star]

Surely.. they gonna rework deathstalker

[true rapids]

priest get a novel worth of changes and we just get an outlaw change

[burnt star]

Right

[winged sun]

yes yes it'll be crazy even tho got baited by fatebound

double shiv about to go crazy

next season

lmao

[frozen glacier]

they are just waiting to hit us with the "deathstalker mark is now applied to the player and not the enemy" right guys?

[raw marlin]

I’m too dumb to understand fully even after reading the pins lol

[indigo mulch]

I'm kind of sad if we're not getting any changes what so ever. Its been to long since they touched us in any meaningful way

:C

[devout mist]

how meaningfully u wanna be touched?

[rose inlet]

its just the first iteration of ptr

classes have gotten full reworks halfway through ptr

doesn't mean we're getting nothing

[runic hinge]

Full fatebound rework inc to make it op in aoe

[indigo mulch]

I mean, if we look back on the rest of 11.x it sure dosen't look all to good.

[tall flume]

fatebound tier look dope but I rly hope we get some bigger hero talent changes soon

[hidden bay]

damn i wish i wouldve known it earlier to play fatebound!

[indigo mulch]

If we don't get any changes like 11.0 > 11.1 its going to get a bit stale.

[haughty flicker]

idk i feel like both of these tier sets will potentially change the rotation enough to feel fine

the deathstalker ones might be a bit cringe but i'll let the smart people figure out optimizations there

[winged sun]

ngl i dont think the shiv part is boring whispyr it sounds lame that its just shiv but in reality i think it'll be super well and feel very very good to play

[royal lantern]

eh, the outlaw change is good (and should have been a thing 10years ago allready, but w/e, its outlaw who cares)

[winged sun]

its hard to explain whispyer

but in m+ u want fast marks

its gonna be rly good imo

[midnight atlas]

who is this new whispyr impostor ?

[winged sun]

ur a raider

[indigo mulch]

But i think the main issue is that there are no changes what so ever. If they just slap another 2% aoe buff again its not going to feel very good going into a new tier. Generally more shit gets changed around.

[winged sun]

so

thats understandable

[fallen charm]

just wait for the update and press what the rotation assist tells you to

[winged sun]

its way different if ur a raider

u wont give a shit about mark

mark my words

[hidden bay]

how about you write a small text about it

[winged sun]

this tier set will be insanely fun to play

[golden loom]

give me darkest night and marks at the same time so I can shiv on DN

[winged sun]

in m+

[frozen glacier]

zeross making whispyr punch air right now

[winged sun]

we've always had minor changes to tier sets and things that make it sometimes powerful and people end up liking the op tier sets

but ngl

[sharp viper]

what happened, why is whisper orange

[indigo mulch]

I don't see a world where FB will beat out DM in a key though.

[winged sun]

this sounds like a really good quality of life while buffing ur prio dmg by a heavy amount

💀 brother

in raid u have 100% uptime

[hidden bay]

[winged sun]

idk what ur yapping about

but a super long shiv is crazy good

[hidden bay]

mark is certainly not 100% uptime

more like 40% haha

[marble hemlock]

you think LS is still a lock-in? feels like with extended shiv duration and 90% envenom dam bonus from DN, symbolic victory might end up not dogshit

[frozen glacier]

🍿

[indigo mulch]

Explain to me, a non-brainiac avarage joe mythic raider. How does the new fatebound changes make FB better than DM in a key? Lets say a low-high end key. Like an 18.

[true rapids]

ya im not denying that at all its a very cool change but our class does good numbers but has some badly needed qol changes so sucks to not see any

[marble hemlock]

since we can basically guarantee one DN envenom each shiv now, which wasnt really a given previously

mhhh fair

[winged sun]

well with supercharger u can send 2 envenoms back to back in 3 gcd's in shiv and with the extra 2 seconds it'll bring out crazy lingering darkness dmg, besides im not talking about ur io at all, its different when a tier set affects m+ heavily and looks very minimal of a change for raid

[marble hemlock]

well you could hold shiv

[royal lantern]

probsbably not at all because fatebound still has selfnerf nodes when its more then 1target

[marble hemlock]

for 1 mark stack

[serene mason]

https://www.wowhead.com/ptr-2/item=242402/arazs-ritual-forge

[marble hemlock]

but idk if that messes with the other bonuses of shiv too much

probably will

[winged sun]

playing double shiv without having to use it for aoe/bleed build shit is way different in m+

[royal lantern]

it is what it is

[winged sun]

feels way different

[grand trail]

if you have DN ready and shiv it will consume it aswell?

[winged sun]

well ye for sure its better

[grand trail]

sadge

[winged sun]

i think it just adds flavor to the gameplay imo

[sharp viper]

I just want huge kingsbanes 😦

[marble hemlock]

i wouldnt mind a "shiv at 1 mark stack" prio instead of whatever this is gonna lead to

[fathom flax]

A crumb please Mr blizzard

[grand trail]

thats good actually we get some gameplay 😄

[marble hemlock]

with symbolic instead of lingering

[fallen charm]

the decay is kinda sad since Kb grows over time

[grand trail]

playing around shiv and mark charges 😄

[sharp viper]

i forgot that exists

[frozen glacier]

i just want assassination to be the top aoe and top single target build is that too much 😦

[pearl mauve]

How should I open fights when I have Darkest Night from last pack, should I :

• ignore ambush as opener and just apply mark with full CP envenom (if so should I do it after applying bleeds or before)
• ambush, apply dots and just do a max CP envenom as my first envenom
• anything else ?

[marble hemlock]

dw i had to look it up too

[maiden sierra]

what happened to whispyr? did he not follow the announcment? smh

[royal lantern]

be the blue class

[serene mason]

maybe for the first DN inside your KB window`?

[winged sun]

i dont think the tier set has anything to do with sin being super op other than fatebeound tier being quite decent

[grand trail]

video about how to play around new tier set where? someone slacking

xdd

[winged sun]

i was talking purely about how shiv will affect the gameplay

and not if its op or not lol

few people rly dislike the current tier set of s2

because it does legit nothing

[marble hemlock]

btu assuming the 50% bonus of the set also applies to the amp of DN, and us cycling through marks slightly faster (not by much though), maybe stacking the symbolic amp might be better value than 45% lingering

[winged sun]

nothing to play around

[pearl mauve]

any reason why mark stacks don't get consumed when Darkest Night is up ? or just a bug / bad design ?

[winged sun]

no u dont

u wont press it with lingering up

you'd want to do that before it happens

[lusty narwhal]

Lmao no sin or sub changes is wild

[pearl mauve]

lovely, ty !

[winged sun]

and it lowers a mark which is super op

it's gonna make sin feel faster

[marble hemlock]

looking at the KS change, id rather not have changes than whatever the fuck that is

[winged sun]

and not extremely slow and brainrotting gameplay in m+ st

[humble ginkgo]

rogue gets 1 ability changed, every other spec in the game gets reworked

[humble ginkgo]

honestly true

i don’t think assa needs much changed

[lusty narwhal]

Dead class Im rerolling

[marble hemlock]

3.5sec channel on a 0.8sec GCD class that wants to spend every single GCD on abilities

is comedy

[winged sun]

i didnt say that

[humble ginkgo]

but it gives combo points

[mighty rapids]

so theres just no rogue dev or what

[lusty narwhal]

Whoever is looking after rogues needs help

[humble ginkgo]

don’t be rude now

[winged sun]

im just comparing on how this will be super fun to play with in m+, while i can see how it sounds boring from a raiding prespective

[humble ginkgo]

they removed parry on kb that’s all that matters

[indigo mulch]

Thats been gone for awhile now ;s

[humble ginkgo]

take what u can get

rogue rework at the end of Midnight

[marble hemlock]

ask yourself the following questions

• does rogue NEED changing?
• will there never gonna be changes to any class EVER again?
• will the patch release next week and this is the last possible chance for rogue changes in 11.2?
• do you WANT to have changes that could possibly make things worse?
• do we KNOW whether the set bonus itself wont already affect our rotation, talents, gearing priority etc. in a notable way?

[grand trail]

its channel lol? :D:D

i take it back that i liked it

[mighty rapids]

I think rogue could use changes yes

[indigo mulch]

I mean to be fair. I would like some more changes than just outlaw getting a KS redesign to be fair.

[marble hemlock]

i think assa is in a pretty dman good spot rn, and adding the possibility for a 90sec cd damage profile through a tier set will already open a bunch of additional doors

[lusty narwhal]

Just want deathmark to be more intuitive to play around tbh. Also Fatebound actually being playable would be nice lmao

[velvet ridge]

yooooo reduces deathmark CD by 30s???? goollyyyy

[maiden sierra]

i think rogue is in its worst state in years.
(raid not m+, m+ is in fact kinda big)

[royal lantern]

cant wait to grab 90sec trinkets away

[indigo mulch]

It does, but if its as add heavy as this tier was. Then.. is it really viable then? ;s

[marble hemlock]

we woudl all like some changes regularly, but we're not in a world where we can all always have what we want. and rogue has historically been the spec with the least changes to its gameplay cuz its always working pretty well without major shifts and swaps

[sour elm]

Law needs a full resource reset tbh, needing 5 rolls and 90+% uptime on rush, things are getting pretty wild with the rotation.

[humble ginkgo]

bring back shadowlands outlaw

been saying this

[marble hemlock]

bring back wod combat

thanks

[sour elm]

yea Idk what the answer is, but slands outlaw was a lot more fun imo

[lusty narwhal]

Not confusing just the fact that it’s ambush only on a 2min CD is kinda cringe. Also swapping the mark between targets kinda stinks

I meant the deathstalkers mark my b

[red schooner]

Bring back exsanguinate

Thanks

[indigo mulch]

I mean, i still feel like our ST needs some big improvements. Sure our overall damage is pretty decent in the current raid. We're like in the middle of the pack. But going from 11.0 > 11.2 without any changes is a bit to long.

[marble hemlock]

what improvements does our st need?

[hidden bay]

shits out for an hour and people go crazy

how about you guys calm down

[royal python]

Wtb 1.5 minute fatebound deathmarks

[storm forum]

i cant wait for the pinned post where whispyr begs us not to use the shadowmeld pot for more garottes

[marble hemlock]

other than us being envenom - the spec, which obviously sucks

but that aint gonna switch mid expac

[red schooner]

But what if I want to shout into the void

[maiden sierra]

evenom is 30% of all my damage, the belt proc is my 4th highest damage source.
you cannot cope into thinking this is a fun design

[hidden bay]

only thing you do is playing fatebound, thats for sure

[red schooner]

I refuse

[marble hemlock]

i absolutely loathe the envenom shit, but blizz clearly doesnt seem to like dot classes. dont ask me why. the last one the game had was SP, and look what theyre doing to that

[maiden sierra]

yep...

[lusty narwhal]

Dot classes have been historically quite hard to balance I think

[marble hemlock]

ive played the game a longass time, and my frustrations with it lessened when i realized i need to stop expecting things that arent ever gonna happen. itll just lead to disappointment over and over again.

[red schooner]

Main ST thing I'd like is some benefit for pooling or energy management

[maiden sierra]

unironacly this was the first tier in all my years of playing rogue where i considered rerolling

[red schooner]

That'd be neat

[royal lantern]

yeha, its the main problem with them and why dot specs all got changed into "dots create Ressources that feed a instant dmg ability"

[haughty flicker]

reroll to ret

their tier set is sick transmog

[red schooner]

God no

[marble hemlock]

so when i play the class with the historically least amount of changes, one of the lowest playercounts, and one that despite these, has always done well in both highend pve and pvp, then i just dont expect major sweeping shifts

[maiden sierra]

real

[fallow canopy]

based

[lusty narwhal]

Paladin tier appearances never miss

[thorn thorn]

Is fatebound saved with tier

[marble hemlock]

this set looks like a mix of cloth and plate

not leather

[fallow canopy]

[marble hemlock]

last time they made good leather sets was in legion/bfa

[thorn thorn]

[haughty flicker]

idk i really like this set

at least individual pieces of it

the whole thing is just ok

the chest is sick though

[marble hemlock]

idk this looks almost more DK than rogue to me

[indigo mulch]

I dunno, looking at 99% of all the other specs. Got some form of changes. Just by glancing over the patch notes. Not getting any changes for 2 major patches is kind of oof in my opinion. Yes sure assassination plays well but it dosen't mean we should just leave it like that forever.

[marble hemlock]

it is oof. but its also expected.

doesnt make it less off, ofc

[maiden sierra]

i looked at the set (mog), i feel nothing tworwards it, its not hype, but its also not bad, just meh

[fallen charm]

one day they will replace envenom for an exsanguinate like spender

[marble hemlock]

please no

just lemme stack dots instead

[red schooner]

I shall continue to use the same transmog I have used for years, this is fine

[maiden sierra]

real

[marble hemlock]

remove envenom, rupture can now stack up to 3 times, gives scent stacks in ST for each stack too

[misty holly]

oh shit I didn't even consider being able to do that yet. I fucking love garotte. Selling all my temepered power pots asap new meta is here.

[marble hemlock]

make bleeds great again

[red schooner]

Bleed raid spec would be great

[indigo mulch]

I mean i enjoy how assassination plays, i always have. I've been a sin main for years now, but it does feel bad for the player if we don't get any changes good or bad.

[marble hemlock]

or just have a finisher that does damage, but does so by advancing your bleeds

[fallow canopy]

i dont think blizz will ever make our dots relevant (as in make them do most of our dmg in st) again but open to be proven wrong

[red schooner]

I love m+ bleed build, so just make that work in raid

Somehow

[marble hemlock]

as in "shortens the duration of all your bleeds and deals their damage instantly", some shit like that

[storm forum]

exsanguinate as a finisher lets goooooo

[marble hemlock]

you could call it... exsanguinate. literally.

[royal python]

Bleed lovers are just bad poolers

[royal lantern]

this looks like the DF S2 set in a different color lol

[indigo mulch]

Hopefully fatebound is somewhat competitve in raid. If it is, then maybe it would be somewhat accaptable. 😒

[red schooner]

When you hit that and then instantly go into demise range

Get popped

[misty holly]

I like the base coat and pants design a lot, but all the extra flair is kinda meh.

[marble hemlock]

i just want sets that look like actual leather

not padded pauldrons and spikes and thick gear

thats plate

[royal lantern]

can see it being a good choice in atleast some fights because of the 90sec windows

[fallow canopy]

and daggers that actually look like daggers while we are on it

[fallen charm]

but everyone loves 5ft daggers bro

[red schooner]

Stealth class, also here have some shoulders that you can see from 2 miles away

[royal lantern]

take your somewhat sharp club and gtfo

[fallow canopy]

thats just swords with extra steps

[marble hemlock]

tbf, wowhead also needs to fucking stop showing all the transmog on male humans

no one plays that

and it always looks ass

[coral ibex]

!tea

[royal lantern]

found the female belf player

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[indigo mulch]

But if it looks like the current raid does. I have a hard time seeing us playing fatebound for anything but like 1 boss maybe. :c

[maiden sierra]

crimson blade: replaces evenom, uses combo points to do a finishing move whose damage scales with the amount of bleeds on the target, each use of crimson blade gives you a stacking 8 sec buff that increeses your bleed damage by 15%, at 5 stacks, all your bleeds damage increeses by 200% and they tick down 100% faster

[royal lantern]

good

fuck fatebound

[indigo mulch]

D:

[marble hemlock]

https://i.imgur.com/dpikL5i.jpeg

yeah, problem?

[indigo mulch]

BUT MY CHANGES BRUH

[marble hemlock]

this is still one of the best sets they ever made

[royal lantern]

best tierset effect would be "auto change into something else" for it

[marble hemlock]

the shoulders are too big and the boots suck

but it looks like actual leather

[fathom flax]

Can we crash out yet

[royal lantern]

you need a reason?

[red schooner]

Already crashing

[fathom flax]

Rogues out here least played class worst hero talents no changes

I cry

[marble hemlock]

i wasnt joking when i said you can call it exsanguinate. making someone bleed out really fucking fast by shortening bleed durations for some quick burst damage is literally exsanguinating them

[red schooner]

But we have each other and that's the main thing

[maiden sierra]

well its not exactly exanguinate, i tried to give it a little spin

[coral ibex]

!tricks

[maiden sierra]

but yeah xD

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[misty holly]

Im pumped for the fatebound tier set. Looks nice. No reason to doom!

[fathom flax]

It’s 8:29 am and my day is already ruined

[marble hemlock]

i meant in the irl-exsanguination sense

[lethal arrow]

new 4 set at least gunna change our rotation again!

[royal lantern]

wdym no reason to doom, we play doomblade

always dooming

[red schooner]

Took you long enough, I wrote this year off on January 2nd

We go again 2026

[misty holly]

dooming is worth 2% lethal dose damage. Always a good call.

[tawdry root]

does the fatebound changes mean sometimes our cd's will be 1:30 and sometimes 2 min during the same fight?

[indigo mulch]

You know, i would like something like caustic, but instead of poison, you use bleeds 😄 So like you put your bleeds on the targets and when you envenom 1 target all the targets with ruptures will take like 75% of that envenom damage. I miss bleeding stuffs in raid :C

[haughty flicker]

you'll get lucky coin in opener 100% so its just 90s the whole fight

[marble hemlock]

always 90 once it procs, which it does guaranteed in opener

[haughty flicker]

unless you die

[red schooner]

Poison enemies blood, bleed now splashes

[haughty flicker]

so dont die

[tawdry root]

ah okay so it persists for future CDs

[haughty flicker]

(unless you dont lose lucky coin on death but im pretty sure you do?)

[royal lantern]

you basically turn into a 90sec spec with it, no rng involved

[tawdry root]

thats cool

[royal lantern]

they just had to remove the rng on fatebound

[indigo mulch]

I mean it is cool, and i hope its fun.

[marble hemlock]

so, real important question

do you still flip a coin if your finisher gets parried?

[indigo mulch]

Oh god.

[golden loom]

Well you cycle DSM marks if you get parried

[haughty flicker]

[golden loom]

So probably?

[haughty flicker]

yeah it should work

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1385024380928655511/GtwRDB9WQAAEct5.jpg?ex=68548ff8&is=68533e78&hm=1903dc9e9a140afdb6b89fdd005d01a633ecc1238d65f57dea46bfa4fced86eb&

[marble hemlock]

theyre a debuff tho

[marble hemlock]

i think thats too small?

https://x.com/Stiven_SRB/status/1935451386554032280

Stiven (@Stiven_SRB)

Okey, now real Dimensius the All-Devouring next to N'zoth xD

X · Jun 18, 2025, 9:35 PM

my man is BIG

[maiden sierra]

tiny nzoth on the right kekw

[indigo mulch]

Like... him being as big as stormwind is really an understatment. I'm pretty sure Dimentius is like a cosmic being. He should be as big as the planet no? ;s

He's like sargeras big.

[marble hemlock]

hes been devouring since tbc, so maybe he just didnt get enough food yet

[golden loom]

And we are supposed to stab him with daggers

[haughty flicker]

spine of deathwing 2.0

[royal lantern]

we apperantely fight when he is starting to get summoned/reborn/whatever

[haughty flicker]

we go up and stab him in the eye repeatedly

[golden loom]

Nah fuck this im rerolling to a god class (wizard)

[haughty flicker]

while trying not to get thrown off

[royal lantern]

yes

like always, you just stab REALLY good

[maiden sierra]

i only stab ok good, tarifs hit hard

[indigo mulch]

Every exp i say "Ah yeah imma re-roll" I play the first mythic week then i realize its not rogue and i go back to assassination.

kekw

[golden loom]

Honestly tho, if you've seen castlevania it does line up with the greateat scene of all time

[west crown]

Why are we cats now

[royal lantern]

this is the catboi channel

wdym "now"

[golden loom]

@subtle tundra MEOOOOOOW

[west crown]

[west crown]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[haughty flicker]

[maiden sierra]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1069667540151844884/1070814867478560778/D1604373-7A2B-41E8-A1C0-46661F9291F4.gif

[indigo mulch]

[nova kelp]

I just want some class changes 😢

[normal mist]

yes

[thick basin]

Hi new rogue here! I've read the guides and I see the priority lists but I've got a question on my M+ opener. for normal AOE packs Standard build (or so I've copied from Murlok)

Stealth->Ambush->Garrote->Fan (for combo points)->Garrote->Garrote->Fan->Crimson->Mutilate->Enter normal combo rotation

Can someone tell me if this is a good opener? It seems like that bit is largely scripted the same every time, for the most part? Just looking to practice it on the training dummies.

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-boy-gif-24157752

saw that coming

from a mile away

[normal mist]

🙂

[waxen oyster]

They already used the rogue set

for s1

also hot take but rogue was the only good s1 set

[normal mist]

So anyway

[violet raven]

is there a particular non weapon slot that's best for craft? I'm about to sim all of the crafts and curious if there's an easier way.

[zenith elm]

What do we think of deathstalker tier set ?

[normal mist]

Pins

[violet raven]

and needles

[waxen oyster]

Whatever your weak slots are

[violet raven]

yeah that is what I had figured, just wanted to make sure I didn't miss something glaring like

the legendary rogue exclusive gloves

[royal lantern]

what build

cus pls, donr copypaste something from all those weird datascraping sites, its a bad thing to do

[thick basin]

CMQAA0tw2gAD7pPTLoW5IGZDeMjZmZmxM2mBAAAAAgZB2mBAAAAAg2WmZGMzYMzMLz2MzMYGzYwMzsZZMDwmZZgBsFsMMBGWA
This is the build I'm using

[royal lantern]

im on Phone

[thick basin]

🙂

[runic hinge]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[west crown]

Need ruptures

[static glacier]

Doesn’t matter, watch them somehow make it garbage compared to ds in aoe again

Deathmark doesn’t do shit in aoe, this doesn’t fix fatebounds primary problem

[humble verge]

@tidal raven i decided to vote for WNBA, ignore the obvious choice i have done - i know these are the best women ballers

[thick basin]

Oh shoot. I typo'd. I'm bad @west crown

Stealth->Ambush->Garrote->Fan (for combo points)->Rupture->Rupture->Fan->Crimson->Mutilate->Enter normal combo rotation

[humble verge]

(i only know caitlin clark and cameron brink)

[zenith elm]

Agree, we'll see how it goes

[normal mist]

I also only know Caitlin clark because of a podcast

LOL

[west crown]

@thick basin Check this out, gives you everything you need and a link to the guide

[royal lantern]

thats why you dont blindly copypaste stuff from those shity datascraping sites

you play something that literall only really works in REALLY high keys

[humble verge]

royal, i think the joke went over your head

[royal lantern]

just play the bleed build from wowhead

[fallow canopy]

meow

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-cat-gif-27161697

[normal mist]

what joke? D:

[thick basin]

OK, thank you. Lmeme check that bleed build.

[humble verge]

[prime hull]

is it just me or are they forcing fatebound super hard by making the tier set op, and then giving deathstlaker the most underwhelming tier set ive seen in 10 years

[thick basin]

But I guess, since I've already target dummied for like an hour -- would that be a good opener for the build that I have? lol

[humble verge]

i would like

[normal mist]

i find both good

[humble verge]

if fatebound was good

so we dont rely on deathstalker

so we can actually switch targets

[royal lantern]

doesnt change the fact that fatenound kinda goes down the dump if a 2nd target exists

[static glacier]

What happens if the raid is cleave central again? Fatebound dead on arrival

[indigo mulch]

These are all the changes we got from 11.0 to 11.2. I dunno, but i feel like its never been this small of changes for us 😒 Sure its chatgpt'ed so there is prob som misses but like.. isen't this a bit little for over 10 months? ;s +2~3 months for next tier. So almost a year without any real changes? I'm i just crazy for thinking that?

[prime hull]

What is that death stalker 4p...

[waxen oyster]

I mean how many assa tier bonuses are “interesting”

[prime hull]

0.2% dps?

[waxen oyster]

and not just another mastery

[bronze pike]

i mean

rogue in general doesnt need much changes beyond the bias ones people might have

[royal lantern]

the deathstalker set is just "you do more dmg and MAYBE use shiv slightly different"

[waxen oyster]

if anyone says nerubar tier bonuses were interesting

we gonna have problems

[bronze pike]

atleast thats how it is for outlaw

[humble verge]

ive forgor

nerub tier

i still dont know what my tier does

in LOU

[waxen oyster]

one gave poison dam

[humble verge]

i just know theres damage

[waxen oyster]

other gave bleed

[waxen oyster]

basically

[indigo mulch]

You say that but like.. like someone just said if this tier is cleave heavy again. Then our only "new cool thing" is dead before the tier even starts.

So i mean there has to be something they can do to spice things up lmao

[waxen oyster]

Most assa tier bonuses can just be read as

a flat mastery gain

and not much else

[static glacier]

They need to read the fatebound try and think for like two hours

[bronze pike]

this is also day one of multiple days of ptr

[zenith elm]

At least here its not that lon

[bronze pike]

so if it is dead in the water

[west crown]

Change one line of text and fatebound is playable

[bronze pike]

its probably going to be changed to be fixed

[static glacier]

I’m sure they’ll figure out that the tree having no aoe is cursed

[bronze pike]

rn the outlaw issue is that new ks is 2 long and thats true

5second channel

but im not worried about it cause its obviously gonna get changed again

[indigo mulch]

You can move though!

[bronze pike]

just write feedback when threads appear

[indigo mulch]

Atleast you don't get chucked off the map for no reason.

[bronze pike]

this is important btw, it has to been readable feedback not like a thesis essay dump

gotta uses

[prime hull]

I like the long killing spree channel to give my fingers a 5 second break rhen back into spam rotation haha

[humble verge]

how many fingers are in my horse

[violet raven]

hmmmmm mythic reverb radio, or 6 coins

[royal lantern]

ew

[humble verge]

wait so

our basically best in slot

[spice surge]

But you get kinda screwed if you shiv during DN though right

[humble verge]

for the belt - is the first one you get for free

[prime hull]

oh yeah hmm thats not that bad

[cerulean nest]

is there any achievement or whatever for collecting them all?

if not I wont touch delves lol

[royal lantern]

btw, if that Cloak is not given to us by Wrathion