assassination

[rain coral]

y

worked 😄

still intresting how more easy keys are in this season compared to last one

[humble verge]

better gear

thats pretty much it

[rain coral]

true

but still

hard for pugs to get top 1%

[humble verge]

icy veins suggests around

7mil

at start of tww

could assume half of those are gone atleast

0.7% have all 17s

[rain coral]

7 mil what ?

[humble verge]

subs

[rain coral]

of all player

?

[humble verge]

yea.

[viscid spear]

I'm hoping to get 3k

[humble verge]

but thats just them guestimating

but if we base em off that

21k have all 17s

in time

[rain coral]

i mean what the number of players raider io is based on, for that chart

wow 21k seems a lot tbh

[humble verge]

but then you have to think about

how many of those actually bother to actively play after a while

how many of those are alts

[grim jay]

Dont let your memes be dreams. America is the country that turns your dreams into reality

Or so ive heard

[rain coral]

you mean same player have all 17 with many alts?

[hidden bay]

😂

[rain coral]

what youre rio btw. ?

🙂

[humble verge]

like

3350

idk

[grim jay]

You cant just ask him like that

Take him out first

[humble verge]

havent bothered to push this seaosn

were done with reclears

so i might unsub

[red schooner]

You're free

[rain coral]

thats pretty decent acually

[humble verge]

no its pretty bad

considering i was like

[rain coral]

wtf why?

[humble verge]

60 score off title last season

[rain coral]

i mean iam 3302

[humble verge]

if id bother

i could probably do 20s

[rain coral]

how long will this season last ?

how much more time we got to push ?

[humble verge]

supposed end of july

[rain coral]

oke any news on season 3

[humble verge]

no

11.1.7 isent even out yet

[rain coral]

yy

[rain coral]

btw. what you play?

assa or outlaw

and what is youre average dps overall

[humble verge]

you ask me what i play, where u think we at boy 🤨

idk,

i top meters in keys

do ok in raid

[subtle tundra]

sure you would!

if you didnt get title last season, youre not doing 20s rn

[rain coral]

i know youre assa

i ve just seen a lot of assa dudes shifting to outlaw

but 20s are meta right now

havent seen 21 on regular runs only on mdi

[humble verge]

i only missed out on like

3 17s okay

[blazing pumice]

imagine not just exploiting last season

and getting title anyway

[humble verge]

you could actually get title

if u did like a bunch of 18s in post season

actually scamaz

[rain coral]

guys are the dps data on mythicstats relyable in term of dps you can do?

[humble verge]

@thorn thorn im in another ass booster run

😭

pls kill me

[restive hawk]

i need the rogue swarm intelligence

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XmZnCB1NFWwt4d9k?fight=28&type=auras&source=5&ability=32645

in this log between 3:30 and 4 minutes my envenom buff drops for no reason, i had that happen a lot since start of tww and i cannot see any reason why it would ever drop after one second
im 100% certain im not rightclicking the buff or anything off of me

[spice surge]

Its a bug that happens sometimes, dont think anybody knows why

[restive hawk]

ok that sucks

thanks for clarifying

[nova aspen]

yep ive seen it also

[coral ibex]

i love envenoming before kingsbane just for the game to munch it

[nova aspen]

i feel like it has something to do with envenom being parried slightly beforehand

[nova aspen]

but im just guessing

[coral ibex]

nah that shit happens without any gcd input

you can be auto attacking and it just drops

[nova aspen]

it drops multiple times in a row tho

after reapplying

and seems to happen when my envenom was parried before

[restive hawk]

yep, noticed that as welll

not the parried part tho

[coral ibex]

i see it happen without a preceding parry all the time

i think the parry bit is anecdotal but maybe my bit is anecdotal

i feel after however many hours in this expansion playing like 99% assa rogue i’d have picked up on some pattern with it but i swear it is random or based on completely hidden variables

[nova aspen]

yea idk parry is prob just a coincidence

[coral ibex]

can hit a dummy for 20 mins no issue and then it will drop repeatedly in a short stretch with the same inputs

[nova aspen]

ive noticed it ever since we had to start tracking 2 envenom buffs

cant recall seeing it happen before

err the ttk change

[fair hearth]

hello, I need more information. We are 2 assa rogues in our raid with almost equivalent gear (4 or 5 ilvl difference). However, I can't dps as much. I put myself back on the raid boss post to do my cycle, and I have no doubt about it. The SIM tells me that I have to go up to 2M DPS, I'm there. However, in raid, I fall. I compared my spec, I have the same as my mate. But I see that his envenoms are much stronger than mine. I don't always envenom at max CP, but maybe I have to do it all the time?

[scarlet orbit]

No we finish on 5+ cp only with darkest night we force max cp

[coral ibex]

you need to consult an uncle at midnight to access hidden azerbaijan technology parse logic

(idk post your log)

[fair hearth]

here a log : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DMLZzYPTpJn3yRvC?fight=2&type=damage-done&source=15

[scarlet orbit]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[river meadow]

I was using hyribrid double vanish build and am playing around with a bleed build. I level is 669 but I only have 5% haste unbuffed does it make sense to mess with a bleed build with such low haste

[spice surge]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[spice surge]

Stats do not matter much at all

[red schooner]

Few things, you're FoKing a LOT, don't know how that lines up with add spawns but yeah, FoK less. You missed your kingsbane at the 1 minute mark it seems, second cd set at 2 mins you went deathmark double shiv into kingsbane which is, not good

I'm on mobile so can't do a full deep dive

The FoK might be the play I can't see on replay where adds are etc but, there's a lot of FoK

[fair hearth]

thx, ok but when FoK proc, i launch it. i shouldn't ?

[scarlet orbit]

Would also recommend to macro hoc into dm. It looks like sometimes you lose a globel for pressing it.
But yes Fok is not really used as a builder in raid because with the build you play you use it at 5 targets and you used it for example on couldren where its only used with ctw up

[scarlet orbit]

On pure single target with vv talented we dont use it.

[red schooner]

I couldn't see the talent build so I don't know if it's a VV build or MA, there was one cd set where I saw a vanish usage but yeah, not sure

[scarlet orbit]

He plays VV

[fair hearth]

What kind of macro? Sorry, I'm French so I don't have all the subtleties 🙂

[red schooner]

#showtooltip
/cast deathmark
/Use 13

The macro may need to be frenched idk

No clue if it works across languages

[fair hearth]

ah ok, a macro to launch deathmark and trinket, it's right ?

[red schooner]

Yeah pretty much!

[fair hearth]

ok i'll do it !

[scarlet orbit]

^ this is something you should read through. You make a lot of mistakes with builders from what i saw. Using unbuffed fok on 2 targets for example

[red schooner]

That's the main thing yeah, we're pretty much envenom the spec, so better builders = more envenoms

[fair hearth]

ok i read 🙂

[oblique sorrel]

Hey are you using death mark on the pull?

@fair hearth ?

[fair hearth]

i put ambush, garrot and rupture (don't know the english name), estro, envenom and death mark. So yes i use it in the 10sec of the pull average.

[oblique sorrel]

Save it on become

Vexie*

Save deathmark for the phase

[red schooner]

Yeah but at least for my guild, we can send cooldowns on pull then they're back in time for the amp

So, may as well send on pull

[spice surge]

Well yes for non-mythic vexie you can hold

[fair hearth]

ok, but it's up with the add and BL

[oblique sorrel]

Ok yea if it lines up

[spice surge]

Mythic amp is at ~2 minutes, the lower difficulty you can have the amp earlier at like 1:15-1:30

[oblique sorrel]

Does it line up?

[fair hearth]

yes, deathmark is up on amp in our raid

that's why i launch it at pull

[scarlet orbit]

@fair hearth your shiv usages is also somewhere off. On couldren you didnt use a second shiv in your opener dm. Also in your kbs you didnt use the second shiv right

[oblique sorrel]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WxqBcrzpG6QMwLvk?fight=33&type=damage-done

[fair hearth]

ok, need to be more vigilant

[oblique sorrel]

Help me out then should I be deathmarking on the pull?

😂

[red schooner]

If the amp comes up at 2 minutes then yeah, DM on pull, then DM on the amp

No reason not to, it's free damage

[oblique sorrel]

Is it static?

[red schooner]

Nah but I think it naturally comes up at around the 2 minute mark if your team does bikes and oils properly

[spice surge]

You cant do it much earlier than 2 min on mythic, on lower difficulties you can do it earlier

[scarlet orbit]

There are some which delay putting in the last bikes for a few seconds to get cds ready at the start of the phase and not in the middle of it.

[oblique sorrel]

Yea we aren’t that coordinated the boss almost enraged

I’m playing with a bunch of bums

[red schooner]

Even then if they're super efficient you just spend 10 seconds waiting for deathmark to come up in the amp and then send

And it's fine

[oblique sorrel]

I’ll try next week if we have enough for mythic

[scarlet orbit]

We are all ethical gamers here and only care if the boss dies anyway. We would never do suboptimal stuff just to get more dmg for logs 🙂

[fair hearth]

i'll try this evening in raid

[oblique sorrel]

Also you wanna shiv with darkest night proc for them 30 mil cries during the phase

Crits

Big dam

[red schooner]

I try and be ethical, my raid team, not ethical.

(I swear to god you chuckle fucks better start moving to fucking Narnia for the lines)

We don't need to squeeze out damage just play it safe

[scarlet orbit]

Best feeling to stand in narnia as a melee and see a mage in melee with lines

[oblique sorrel]

But yea outlaw looks like it’s hurting

Probably some masters out there but the pugs that joined my raid last night should be buff examples for the dev team

[fair hearth]

I read the FoK rules. I understand but i see that's a minor upgrade. When I compare my logs, I see about as much estro and envenom as my mate, I don't understand why his envenoms are at 500K and mine at 300K (this is an example, I don't have the real numbers). But the difference is obvious. Does the amount of energy we have left have an impact? I tend to play by spamming my keys. Maybe I spam too much and I should wait a little longer between my attacks?

[main bridge]

if you have logs then you do have the real numbers though, right?

[spice surge]

If i had to guess he probably has more darkest nights

Because you didnt finish at 5+ or did too many 7 cp finishers

[oblique sorrel]

Cause I’m no expert, is it better to have more darkest night procs or do you want more buffed darkest night procs with shiv

[fair hearth]

yes maybe but i need to search them atm 🙂

[solar wyvern]

Do you mean dryshiv at 7 instead of 5+? Its a loss of cp and not worth afaik

[oblique sorrel]

I probably also fall into the to many 7 point finishers

[solar wyvern]

Yeah its a lot of lost dsm procs you lose doing that

Even garroting at 6cp is bait lowkey, cause what if you garrote into double crit mut for 1+4cp

[oblique sorrel]

I definitely overcap cps 💯

I’ll work on it

[burnt juniper]

the entire sin rotation kinda revolves around cycling through marks and DN right now

[oblique sorrel]

You definitely 7cp shiv a dn proc if you have it though right

[burnt juniper]

you'll find your energy management will become better when you start trying to finish at 5 CPs

[solar wyvern]

No 5+ is still fine

[burnt juniper]

honestly not sure, it's not a situation i get into often though

[solar wyvern]

Unless you want BEEG DOPAMINE number

[burnt juniper]

the only situation it would realistically happen a lot in is M+

[oblique sorrel]

That’s kind of the burst is it not?

Instead of a 6 mil envenom it’s a 12

[solar wyvern]

2 combo points is not 6million damage

Its more like 8 instead of 10 mil

[burnt juniper]

i've found in ST you can still do competitive dmg by doing the tech of like pressing envenom when you have 2 CPs while FI is up

[royal lantern]

the "cp into dmg" growth is the same troughtot the entire time

[solar wyvern]

Which you could argue, is made up for by cycling marks and using that global to build to 7 to instead move to your next finisher

[burnt juniper]

or 4 CPs when DN and FI are up

[scarlet orbit]

You care about shiving dm only in lingering darkness so only every ~2 min+

[royal lantern]

you "get the same dmg" from going 4->5cp then you do going from 6->7

[ocean shell]

wait so why is doing too many 7 cp finishers bad?

[red schooner]

We want more finishers to cycle the mark

[royal lantern]

? becase you waste a shitton of CP while going to 7cp?

[oblique sorrel]

Why do we take the talent then

[royal lantern]

what talent

[ocean shell]

i'm guessing the strategems that give more cps in the first place

[royal lantern]

read the talents

[burnt juniper]

trying to hit 7 CPs wastes CPs and you cycle through marks and DN less

[spice surge]

Ok so if you are at 5 combo points and you do another mutilate that gives you 4 combo points, 2 of them are wasted

[solar wyvern]

Because its +5% finisher damage and you can crit on 2-3 cp and end on 6-7

[spice surge]

If you finish at 5 and then do it, youre at 4 instead

[solar wyvern]

^ this basically

[spice surge]

And then you do another mutilate that gives 3 and puts you at 7

[solar wyvern]

Your goal is to be efficient with globals

[oblique sorrel]

More practice for me

🥹

[burnt juniper]

you'll notice you become less energy starved

doing that

[solar wyvern]

Especially if you're playing vv

[burnt juniper]

casting 3 mutilates in a row is omega cringe

[solar wyvern]

Im already perma starved playing vv xddd

[burnt juniper]

btw i dunno why vv increases the energy cost

[ocean shell]

VV stands for what again?

[burnt juniper]

does the talent do THAT much dmg

vicious venoms

[solar wyvern]

Because 70% nature damage is actually insane for st

[burnt juniper]

honestly it is yeah

it kinda doubles mut/ambush dmg right?

[solar wyvern]

Mutilate and ambush do like 6-7% of our damage

[scarlet orbit]

Isnt vv 35% dmg amp?

[solar wyvern]

Is quite a bit. And also, zoldyck increases the damage vv does

So its amazing for execute

[burnt juniper]

ahhh ok makes sense

[solar wyvern]

Its a 2 point note, 5 energy and 35% per point

[scarlet orbit]

Completly forgot that its a 2 point note xD

[burnt juniper]

it reads as 70% but in actuality ends up being more

[solar wyvern]

Too bad it doesn't get amplified by mastery, then we'd be cooking

[burnt juniper]

oh it doesn't? damn

[spice surge]

It does

It was fixed

[solar wyvern]

Since when?

[burnt juniper]

took me a bit to get used to casting it on high target counts too

[solar wyvern]

Oh shit

[spice surge]

Start of the tier

Or around there

[solar wyvern]

Ahh shit I missed that damn thats really good then

[spice surge]

I think its shiv that its still bugged with

But maybe they fixed that too, i dont remember

[burnt juniper]

i remember the first time i looked at VV's dmg i expected it to be ~70% of the physical portion, and it ended up being higher

doing more than the phys portion

[golden loom]

random pull from a 6% mugzee wipe yesterday

big dam

[spice surge]

Ok nah the shiv part is fixed too

[burnt juniper]

what was the shiv bug?

[spice surge]

Ye but atleast its not using pre-armor values to determine it like shadowed finishers does for sub

[spice surge]

VV just didnt benefit from imp shiv

[burnt juniper]

lol sub always wonky

delete SF

both SFs

[bronze marsh]

idk I feel like sub could use more split damage events

[spice surge]

Ye needs to be like assa where theres 100000000 small piss effects

[burnt juniper]

i did a cinderbrew today

i legit fps lagged for 3-4 seconds on the 1st pull

[bronze marsh]

if you're not crashing other peoples' games, are you really living?

[burnt juniper]

sin in big pulls kills my computer lol

it screwed me up so bad i forgot to reapply spatter

[spice surge]

The shield miniboss in priory is the worst

[burnt juniper]

and did a portion of my burst without it up smile

[spice surge]

Unironically everybody in my group gets lags on that boss when its in the big pull

[burnt juniper]

ok yeah i'm killing myself on that shield on 18 holy

it's terrifying

1 time i legit moved off the miniboss

because i was dying

oh yeah lag there is unreal too

[ocean shell]

I just re-read talents but have some questions. Mut at base gives 2 combo points but with seal fate, it can give up to 4 cp based on crits?

[golden loom]

yep

mutilate is 2 hits and each one can crit

so you can either get 2 CP -> 3 CP (1 crit) -> 4 CP (2 crits)

[ocean shell]

!dry shiv

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[sharp moss]

do we run the circlet anymore?

[golden loom]

depends on what you have

[sharp moss]

also with my first item from cartel chips. should i get jaster or house of cards

[barren meteor]

is only me but i cant get out of cyrce ring, i dont have any 684 ring, i sim with a crafted rin 681 but i still get more dmg with the cyrce :C

any bug or something?

[ocean shell]

I also didnt gain damage from the crafted ring, but they were about even and I liked having more stamina

[golden loom]

circlet is good

[barren meteor]

ohh maybe is that a reason more stamina

[ocean shell]

now that it's uncapped, more reason to make the switch

[oblique sorrel]

I only gained 100k hp with the crafted ring but it’s a 16%dps loss according when I summed myself

Simmed

[golden loom]

16%+?

[scarlet orbit]

16% sounds wild. Pretty sure you made some mistake while simming it

[oblique sorrel]

Naw just chose the circlet and the ring and jastor

[barren meteor]

ye i loss like 0.1/0.2 fo far

did u put full ilvl and sockets?

[oblique sorrel]

I mean I could have simmed it wrong but I just asked
For top gear and chose the three choice rings I have so not much room for error

[golden loom]

well if a ring is ever a 16% loss theres something wrong in the sim

[ocean shell]

Maybe you simmed crafted ring at 580 ilvl or something

[fresh kelp]

i dont think even unequipping a ring entirely is a 16% loss

[oblique sorrel]

I’m wrong then

[crisp coral]

As Assassination rogue in MoP classic, should we use Finishers with 3 combos if we have Shadow Blades up? (in case we dont have anticipation talent)

[red schooner]

May be worth asking down in the classic channel

[solar wyvern]

anticipation

that is a name i have not heard

in a very long time

[oblique sorrel]

Outlaw in mop was banging

Red buff killing spree

[lyric gate]

y i remember that days

with full bis titanforged shit

legendary cloak

we killed protectors in 10 hc with 1 tank and 9 dps xd

[rotund oak]

was good for pvp first season as well

no one expected that much dmg

but quickly fell over to sub

[thorn thorn]

What happened

[rotund oak]

bro bored getting paid for carries

[tight ginkgo]

I've been asked to swap from warrior to rogue on OAB. For Sin do we pretty much just tag the melee reel assistant with rupture and vibe?

[worthy blade]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8wa2kJ97zxHjFCpv?fight=22&type=auras&source=149&pull=3

[humble verge]

3,5h raid 😭

[worthy blade]

@winged sun why did dawnthread lining disappear in this fight?

[kindred cradle]

Guys I have a question regarding raiding. I am struggling with the AOE fights in raid and on the ST I do good and I have a feeling I'm not playing arround caustic spatter well.

[worthy blade]

is it a log bug or embellishment bug

[humble verge]

i wonder why

[spice surge]

It doesnt show on that specific zoom of the key because it has 100% uptime

[worthy blade]

confirmed

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[humble verge]

atleast i was just a lootbody

so i was just chilling in bed

but jesus

9 wipes on mugzee hc

[spice surge]

3.5 hour heroic

[humble verge]

YES

[spice surge]

Bruh

[dapper cradle]

[humble verge]

i got the squad lead a warning

[thorn thorn]

Bro 3.5 hour heroic boost is insane

[humble verge]

unironically

2/2 boosts in a row

where ive reported the lead

[thorn thorn]

In 3 hours we clear and get some pulls on gally

as a casual guild

What on erf

[main bison]

Man sometimes I wish Indiscriminate Carnage effect was to cause CT spread garrote/rupture to the pack

[humble verge]

idk i could post logs, but that would be considered witchhunting

[thorn thorn]

I dont witchhunt but i do partake in roasting

[royal lantern]

yeha sure

that would not be giga broken

and also not force you to take 2 unrelated talents on different sides of the tree, right

[thorn thorn]

[main bison]

but my carpletunnel playing a rogue 😦

[winged sun]

i guess eleem answered?, idk i dont look at logs for M=

M+

[polar rampart]

did they ever fix raid rep for real or am i hardstuck at 2499 for eternity?

[molten willow]

how does one get to partake in these?

[humble verge]

join a boosting community

[molten willow]

ah I see gotcha

[humble verge]

i only did it cause i was bored

i still need to boost on my rogue

[hasty gate]

in supercharger build do we not use garrote

or not prio to get it on all

[molten willow]

Yeh I mean its been a hot ass minute I aint done that since BFA lmfao but it was nice to have the gold.

[humble verge]

idk

first hc boost went well atleast

got like just over 100k

[molten willow]

so that is like a 4mil dps requirement ye?

id imagine it would be higher

since carry

[humble verge]

nah you just need like

avg 85 logs lmao

but thats just the requirement to get raid role

[coral ibex]

the raid leads generally hand pick who gets into their boosts so just having logs means basically nothing if you don’t have some connection

[humble verge]

nrly

[coral ibex]

why would they risk time and money on some new guy who might just be a brick

[humble verge]

connection doesnt really matter that way in booster communities

[coral ibex]

that’s how it goes over here

[humble verge]

and where is over here

[coral ibex]

the collective

[humble verge]

oh havent heard about that lmao

i just boost in dawn or oblivion

[coral ibex]

i see the same people getting picked from the 50+ applications

for every run

[humble verge]

well

what i could see is they probably do it as a job, maybe

gold is still worth something for people outside europe, should they sell it

wait

is queen mount still 100% drop rate

from mythic?

[coral ibex]

i think so

idk i only signed up to boost bc i was bored

it’s dogshit gold per hour

if i need gold i just buy a token bc i have a job that pays like 10x what you make in a boost

[humble verge]

how much gold did you get tho?

from 1 hc boost

[hidden bay]

1hc boost is prolly like 70k?

[humble verge]

got like 100k in dawn

🤨

hmm idk

[coral ibex]

yea it was like 80k

and it took about an hr

i don’t live in the third world, this rate is worse than slave wages lol

[humble verge]

sometimes im just bored

and i wanted to do hc boost

[coral ibex]

yea exactly

[hidden bay]

not sure how people can play this game outside of mythic raid

its crazy

[coral ibex]

i just do it when i wanna play my character in a raid

[humble verge]

but then

most people who do boost hc

i feel its their job

theres 1 guy who does like 7 hc boosts daily in dawn

idk if he plays them all, but he atleast squad lead em

[hidden bay]

boosting only worth as leader

[coral ibex]

bro’s rent is on the line

[humble verge]

tbh

isent like boost lead cut like 30%?

or is it less

[hidden bay]

double the cut

[coral ibex]

i think i would pick a different game to sell services in if i needed rent money and had to play games for it

prob just sell osrs capes

[humble verge]

but tbh

wouldnt advertising be more money

but then again, probably just more doom time

as long as you know what to do

and have a clientelle

theres a different thing ig

[coral ibex]

it also just reminds me too much of the gdkp culture from classic

and i wasn’t a fan of that

[umbral cypress]

anyone know whats the addon that lets u sort out friend list tanks and heals...?

[west crown]

Is there some sort of trick to doing good damage on Sprocket? We haven’t killed it but I’m glueing to the boss some runs and the best I’m getting is 30 parses at 682 ilvl. I’m not a noob to the spec or anything

[loud hawk]

does cleave build benifits more on phys or Magical comps

[golden loom]

well its the only ethical fight in the raid

target dummy fight

[worthy blade]

Thx. You both are legends

[loud hawk]

because i dont know if poisons/bleeds counts as magical or physical idk

[golden loom]

poison stuff is magical, bleeds are physical

so for cleave that is more spatter/envenom focused DH would be better than monk

but they are pretty much the same anyways

[loud hawk]

alright

[snow kindle]

why do ppl play sin over sub rn in m+ high keys

[golden loom]

two biggest buffs for rogue would be warrior buff and shamanbuff either way tho

[west crown]

Yeah that’s why I’m curious. We didn’t have a warrior and my monk is perma dead every fight so I know I’m losing a decent chunk but still

[golden loom]

well as long as he hits the boss once before dying the monk should be doing his job

[loud hawk]

so the ultra buff comp would be: DH tank,Shaman Healer,Warrior DPS,Rogue,Druid kinda ?

[west crown]

Does it stay? Never played a monk

[west crown]

Monk > Druid but Druid is better rn so yeah

[loud hawk]

yep

[fast phoenix]

noticed the sprocketmonger build on wowhead guide has caustic spatter, must be an accident

[ornate pond]

Looking for some log feedback -- I'm using the "hybrid" build from the top 50 players, which I know understand fails somewhat in lower content because things die too fast, but it still feels like I'm underperforming. From what I can see I might be underapplying Ruptures? Planning to swap builds today and see if it helps.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PjNxF3wydRA7gK81?fight=21&type=damage-done&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24233409768.0.0.Rogue%24false%24315496&source=2

[fast phoenix]

you answered your own question haha

[grim jay]

working irl is more money

[ornate pond]

Hey, it's helpful to hear that I correctly identified the issue at least! I'll also look into the bleed build until stuff gets more challenging. The only time I really compete with other DPS is pulls that sustain for a while, if eveything gets nuked I'm down by the tank on charts

[ornate pond]

On the start of a pull with CDs up, do I want Rupture on 5 targets before popping them? Or live with the 3 targets from IC and go into Deathmark etc

[runic hinge]

You would want 5 ruptures out for scent

[fast phoenix]

youre playing a build thats somewhat meant for 17-20s in a 12, just go bleed build and close your eyes, and anything after 5 ruptures is superflous

[ornate pond]

I was wondering about that, guildies live by just "copy what the top guy does" but I noticed looking at +12 logs that the majority build is way different

[royal lantern]

tell yor guildies to get a brain

[ornate pond]

Unfortunately sometimes they're right

[jaunty matrix]

question about dots in wow

[royal lantern]

like there is a simple rule

are you playing on he same level as the "top guy"

if the answer is "no", you should maybe check again

[ornate pond]

I've always had Kingsbane on my bars, will feel really weird to go without it

[fast phoenix]

thats like saying "copy what the f1 drivers are doing" for your DMV test

[jaunty matrix]

if i apply a dot and i combat pot after

will the applied dot also get the pot buff ?

or do i need to reapply it

while the pot is active

[royal lantern]

everything is dynamic

aka no weird snapshotting

[fast phoenix]

its not that powerful of a spell, its not like last expansion

[royal lantern]

^

[quasi ledge]

It's weird for like, 1 dungeon. But genuinely enjoy not having it now. Bleed build is so chill, spread dots and actually pressing Shiv is fun

[royal lantern]

a basic Kingsbane does less totall dmg then a DN Envenom

which kinda puts it in perspective

[ornate pond]

Yeah, makes sense -- when I felt like it worked was on my main, which was doing 15s-16s when the top end was still cracking 18s, so the advice was more in line

[fast phoenix]

theres a reason KB isnt in the top 3/4 spells

[jaunty matrix]

we need df kingsbane back

they gutted the skill this expac

compared to df

[royal lantern]

"skill"

lol

"hope KB crits"

much skill

[jaunty matrix]

skill as ability/spell etc

[fast phoenix]

"hope i can get one more envenom in this KB window"

[royal lantern]

that didnt mater

[fast phoenix]

blizzard interp "good one"

[royal lantern]

envenom doesnt make KB stronger

KB is literally just

have the envenom buff up the full time (which happens by default)

thats it

[jaunty matrix]

get pi and stack poisons

dmgs goes brr

or did

before they reduced the max stacks by half

[royal lantern]

yes, and that was a good change

otherwhise assa would be really bad the last 2 tiers mate lol

imagine playing queens court with all of your dmg being kingsbane :)))))

[fast phoenix]

yeah miserable putting all your irons in one fire

[jaunty matrix]

but big fire

[fast phoenix]

i like seeing big envenoms rn tho, kind of fun

[royal lantern]

ngl

i never watch my dmb numbers

its really just after the fight looking at details

[main bridge]

big number feel good

i use ClassicFCT so the numbers are big

[royal lantern]

like, its so funny when people talk about OMG MY DN ENVENOM DID 20000GAZZILION DMG

and im here like

[fast phoenix]

me neither always a surprise

[royal lantern]

ok i gues? im #2 on details, im happy

😄

[fast phoenix]

i turn details off on fights tbh

ever since they disabled the CPU profiler WA

ruined my good fps

[royal lantern]

you play wow

what fps

[fast phoenix]

small indie company

[edgy mauve]

losslessscaling gives u the fps right back

[fast phoenix]

i had 200 fps in raids with that beautiful WA

then blizzard said "no fun, no improving our game" last patch

[haughty flicker]

why can only one of them afford a real umbrella

the other two are left scrounging for leaves

disgusting display of wealth inequality

then one of the poors admits to having gambled his money away

[worn geyser]

rogue 2 finally past the hardest part in the game . making it thru the tedium of leveling

[main bridge]

i kinda like leveling tbh. it was even better during the event recently

those little satchels with the gear owned

i leveled from 56-80 in about a day or two

[humble verge]

una

[true tide]

I feel like the more damage we get in reclear assa gets more annoying to play and optimize, does anyone else feel the same way?

[humble verge]

what

oh nvm, true

[humble verge]

we dont run mug fast strat, so we have to hold for jails

[true tide]

thats pretty gross we push at like 245-50 then lust so i can hold 2 mins for 3 min to pair with lust and execute or i can hope theres enough boss hp to get use of my cds after my 4 jail set assignment around 4 min

[autumn idol]

spectator pov

[worn geyser]

hold strat is lame , the real play is just keep hitting boss anyway and keep 'accidentally' pushing till they start using a strat that is normal

[wet spire]

Yeah holding dps for so long feels awful

[haughty flicker]

never hold dps, if boss pushes its someone elses fault for hitting boss

[worn geyser]

blame the mage theyre probably also hitting boss anyway

[haughty flicker]

send that kingsbane queens

[somber sparrow]

they snuck in a rogue buff to the patch next tuesday:
New Ability: Recuperate – Take a breather, prepare some food and have a meal. Restores 50% of your maximum health over 10 seconds.

[still steppe]

@opaque jacinth @errant patio

hi

[errant patio]

do i macro hoc to deathmark?

[zenith elm]

Quick question

on gallywix MM

can i disenrage the enrage with kriss ? on both?

[spice surge]

yes

[quiet oriole]

Anyone having issues with rupture sometimes not seemingly applying to my target. At least judging by my weak aura tracking it.

[shy creek]

Happens to me sometimes

Unsure why or how

[nova aspen]

least played class cuz its the most bugged class

[quiet oriole]

Awh rip. It's only really happening when im spamming in M+ bleed build. I wonder if it's tied to lag as well

[spice spire]

#assassination message

It’s likely this

[trail scarab]

is raidbot dead?

[rotund oak]

very

[trail scarab]

[quiet oriole]

Thank you! That's sadge though

[frozen glacier]

vexie is the only fun fight for assassination this season

[trail scarab]

i cooked my gear a little bit too much need raidbots to show me the way home again

[keen spruce]

gm

[winged sun]

does amp on a boss increase my spatter dmg too?

[cursive smelt]

I'm here to do my sims before crafting :/ and the raid bot site is down

[hard river]

cloudflare is down

[queen spoke]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hard river]

a lot of the internet is imploding

[spice spire]

Oh that explains

[lyric gate]

no big g mount

sadlife

[compact umbra]

Maybe it's written somewhere and I missed it, in that case sorry.

But does assassination have dimnishing return from mastery stacking? When do I stop caring about it in favor of other stats like crit?

[main bridge]

you don't ever care about stats and just sim top gear

[compact umbra]

Humm, ok

[sonic pagoda]

when the robot tells you to start adding hase/vers you will know when you have enough...whichn is anywhere around 20k-25k mastery just depends on your available gear just sim it

[rain granite]

is jastor worth spending dinars on?

[compact umbra]

Which robot, sorry? Raidbots?

[rain granite]

and is 26k mastery too much for m+?

[sonic pagoda]

st sims it will taell you to take haste when you have enough mastery/crit and then dungeon slice tells me to take vers instead of haste i have like 25k mastery and 12k crit and 2k haste and 10k vers just depends on your gear

yall better go hit the raidbots sims yeah

[main bridge]

#assassination message

[sonic pagoda]

what does dungeon slice sim tell you?

[rain granite]

never tried simming, do i need an addon?

[main bridge]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-raidbots-and-run-character-simulations-6050

[rain granite]

ty muffin

[sonic pagoda]

yea simulationcraft in curseforge you copy that into raidbots then click around

[main bridge]

raidbots is down right meow though

[rain granite]

oh

[main bridge]

it won't be forever, the internet is just having issues today

[rain granite]

myth track signet or myth pacemaker generally better?

i have hero track pace and hero track house of cards

[sonic pagoda]

both

yes

[cursive smelt]

Will it take 2-3 hours to come back? for raid bot

[fast phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/crystal-ball-crowley-david-tennant-good-omens-psychic-gif-3436909361193405344

[somber sparrow]

do you have access to either of those (pace and signet) in mythic quality at the moment?

[main bridge]

we don't really know https://status.cloud.google.com/

[haughty flicker]

brother its a major outage across the entire internet

no one here is gonna be answering that lmao

[sonic pagoda]

Is there a twitter for cloudflare?

as cloudlfare is just a manager of online companies?

for any given informations thats the best bet

[main bridge]

Cloudflare provides various services for all kinds of copmanies

[sonic pagoda]

yea muffin thats what i just said lol

[restive glade]

Google cloud is dogshit cloud hosting

[scarlet orbit]

If you want to know what has problem from cloudflare(not sure if thats the question)
https://www.cloudflarestatus.com

[sonic pagoda]

@cursive smelt

[fast phoenix]

no caustic spatter fun on sprocket is such a downer

[restive glade]

cloud flare is like intermediary layer before going to respective website/online service

layer is extremely important
when layer down can’t go to online service

so like let’s say Amazon utilized cloud flare and cloud flare down - you can’t go to Amazon etc

[scarlet orbit]

This time they have issues with a bit more things. But thats a really good explanation 👍

[restive glade]

yuh I didn’t read all into it and where service is failing but tldr if you have single point of failure (which if raidbots depends on cloudflare solely w no fallback) and thing breaks - bad time

[somber sparrow]

the whole google cloud is down essentially. can't even use elevenlabs for work (I love using their voices for storyboarding/ideating on video concepts)

[scarlet orbit]

Thats sounds hella interesting? What are you working as to need to use stuff like that?

[somber sparrow]

mm i am a video producer/editor for a corporation, not hollywood or anything like that 😄 lots of demonstration videos and commercial style content

but right now i've been working on a concept for a "hype" kind of video to get people excited about a live training service

[normal mist]

You'll do great homie

[austere olive]

so what is the rule for reapplying ruptures and garrotes on aoe

do u only reapply on primary target usually?

[haughty flicker]

You always want at least 5 ruptures out in aoe for scent of blood, so reapply if the mobs will live

[runic hinge]

You want ruptures on 5 things. Garrote on main target

[haughty flicker]

Garrote not great

[thorn thorn]

Oh wait fr?

[quasi hill]

hey guys, anyone up for a m+ log review? doing garbage dps (feelcraft), and got really no idea whats wrong:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hM3gX8jWrvybKYH9?fight=4

[thorn thorn]

Spatter seems very low

[cursive orchid]

you have your 1st darkest night at 1:23

[quasi hill]

so too much doing ?

dotting

[cursive orchid]

seems to me at a first glance that you miss your hero talent

[thorn thorn]

ya, all stuff relating to the hero talent is super low

[quasi hill]

isnt it half automatic ?

[thorn thorn]

All of it relies on mark and darkest night

If you have neither you have no hero talent effects

[cursive orchid]

you have to apply the 1st mark at pull

with either ambush or with consuming darkest night

[quasi hill]

i usually do

ambush and spread the dot love

so i am doing too late ambush is the point ?

[cursive orchid]

here yes,

you have 12 secs to do it

also you dot from your already dotted target and with that you only apply 2 new ruptures and garrotes with IC

[sonic pagoda]

what key level is that?

[quasi hill]

even with bleed build ?

[quasi hill]

14

[sonic pagoda]

your sudden demise dmg is low af andyour not running KB

yeah you need to make sure 5 ruptures up at all times

and rupture sniping as well for energy for more envenoms

IC idk my opener if i cant hit my prio target is just garrote til full cp then rupture which usually hits max cp then rupture again and ambus on prio target within the 6 second window of IC yeah its half auto like you said

[quasi hill]

thought no KB is fine until 17

[sonic pagoda]

but always always ambush your prio target

[normal mist]

it is

[sonic pagoda]

you are thinking correct however in a 14 sudden demise kind of just carries with zoihdak

[cursive smelt]

When we craft the head, do we have the gem space directly on it or not?

[quasi hill]

okay so mainly keep more eye on 5 Ruptures up and ambush earlier ?

[sonic pagoda]

yeah like in cindy i usually open with an ambush on the muscle and hit 2 garrotes then start spamming ruputures until i have 5 then its go time with cds

and it 14s its dependent on your temmates whether the adds die quick enough and i rupture snipe like a mofof

[quasi hill]

dont go above 5 ruptures ?

[sonic pagoda]

the blee build is pretty sweet i can start to feel the difference in 16 keys where im like yeah i can see why we start to swap stuff lives long enouhg and can actually have more caustic throughput in 17+

you can go above 5 ruptures its like a cherry on top of the ice cream just more rupture dmg but its not crucial to gameplay rotational mechanics

may just be that hunter got hot procs while adds where in exe phase and he snuffed the dmg could be your not spreading and keeping ruptures up

could be your not using tier 3 consumables

[quasi hill]

thought more ruptures would be better then spatter with bleed build

[sonic pagoda]

dude

5 ruptures up at all times in bleed build

in cleave or hybrid build in 17+ keys i was giving you the reasoning of why we swap builds

that is all

[quasi hill]

i got your answer. just wondered if i should ignore ruptures if 5 are up and prio on spatter damage

[sonic pagoda]

think of it this way the more ruptures you have out if adds die with ruptures still on them the more you spread the more execute dmg your going to get increasing your dmg and energy regen as well

dont even think of spatter dmg other than keeping it up

its just a by product of hitting mulitate and envenom in m+

[quasi hill]

yep

[sonic pagoda]

the adds do not live long enough for spatter dmg to be relevent its usually only 9% of overall breakdown

reapplying ruptures on mobs after prios die is kind of clutch for energy sniping and if your tank chain pulls you kind of have a few ruptures rolling and then y ou dont even have to vanish for ease of play

just keep grinding bud

[quasi hill]

thanks for sharing your insight

[sonic pagoda]

your welcome

you should definetly be doing more than 3 mill overall lol

[sonic pagoda]

no

[worthy rose]

damn dust why are you labelled as a spammer by discord

thats kinda racist by disc

[ocean quiver]

How exactly does the smart tricks weakaura work

[red schooner]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/massive-buffs-to-disc-belt-in-patch-11-1-7-377236?utm_source=discord-webhook

Nobody could have predicted this

Not a single person

[runic hinge]

I did

[acoustic kite]

I’ve been pugging and I’m starting to push 16s, is this the point I need to start trying to join more ideal comps/try to get into a push group?

I’ve just been spam applying and praying

[balmy condor]

I just turned in my guides

[gentle belfry]

I mean that's always the goal tbh, just harder to find them until around the point you are

[winged sun]

wait

no way

they buffed charged crystal by 40%

has to be crazy now or?

[thorn thorn]

Hi is delve belt good for sin

[inland dirge]

back to the mines

[red schooner]

Shouldn't have done that, should have never turned them in so we could ignore the belt

[inland dirge]

[thorn thorn]

[winged sun]

wait

was the sim in pins already at 700 ilvl

the belt got buffed from 694 to 701 💀

so basically shit buff or

[spice surge]

Siphoned Stiletto type shit

[balmy condor]

My reacting to this info

[winged sun]

whispyr

where sims

me cannot wait

[spice surge]

Its charged bolts

by far

[balmy condor]

Yah prolly charged bolts

[cursive smelt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iszXwBu4htsnYrLPh38bs7 Why is the neck less strong?

[winged sun]

i mean

no way elecrtic current only 8% buff

[ocean quiver]

When do we replace ring

just sim?

[red schooner]

Ye

[maiden sierra]

Do i need any specific delve tier to get belt?

[spice surge]

The overcharged ones

Oh tier, ye idk

[maiden sierra]

Ive not touched a single delve this season...

[hexed root]

i cant believe the pins haven't been updated yet

i need to know the bis list immediately /s

[bronze pike]

@balmy condor

Where sim

[balmy condor]

Take it up with my jailer

[winged sun]

@balmy condor of Comcast Sucks
Where sim
:BearAlarm:

[balmy condor]

Legally not allowed to sim until I’m released from nap prison

[winged sun]

@spice surge ???

my guy linked sub sim

and not sin

[bronze pike]

Oh understandable

[red schooner]

That's reasonable, carry on

[waxen oyster]

not even for maps?

[bronze pike]

@spice spire

I know you have secret mod powers

Where sim

[maiden sierra]

Why would i

[winged sun]

guys

how many weeks gated is the belt

[spice spire]

Only mod powers I have is to delete stupid messages

[winged sun]

i heard its not day 1 u get full ilvl

[spice spire]

[winged sun]

need few weeks right?

[maiden sierra]

5

[spice spire]

And to thread

[winged sun]

NO FUCKING WAY 5 WEEKS

5 WEEKS MY BALLS????

WTF BLIZZ

💀

[spice spire]

[waxen oyster]

hero track gear first 1-2 weeks

[red schooner]

I was doing delves anyhow so, I guess I'll continue to do delves

[bronze pike]

I can’t wait

Till 11.1.7

Cause then

11.2 ptr

[red schooner]

This changes nothing

[bronze pike]

The actual game

[maiden sierra]

Literally just do +8 spam, had full heroic day 2

[waxen oyster]

well i did it on the assumption

ritual knife was still on the table

[maiden sierra]

I would have done it

[ocean quiver]

is raidbots back up

[maiden sierra]

If trinkets didint drop like candy from dungeons

[waxen oyster]

i mean

ritual knife was better than any other hero trinket

last season

[maiden sierra]

Last season data is irrelevant innit

[waxen oyster]

and tbh this season

[maiden sierra]

Never use your brain

[waxen oyster]

mechanocore/energy drink

is better

[maiden sierra]

Wait for smarter people to use theirs

[waxen oyster]

than any other

[maiden sierra]

Meh, had a mythic signet week 3

[runic hinge]

Mechnocore on hero outsimmed pacemaker for me

[waxen oyster]

Yeah

[maiden sierra]

And a mythic peacemaker week 5

[waxen oyster]

mechanocore on hero is just so good

[runic hinge]

Myth delve trinkets when

[waxen oyster]

i got pacemaker myth week 2

dh got mechano first map week 1

[maiden sierra]

Either way, the point stands: delves are inneficient

[runic hinge]

They aren’t

I can do sluice in 5 minutes and trade up runed for guilded and it’s 5 for 5 minutes of work and I don’t have to find other people

[waxen oyster]

tier 11 takes 5 minutes yeah

[runic hinge]

Xiani was also talking about running one a week for a map for a hero trinket week 1-2

[waxen oyster]

you can get 15 runed from sluce

[runic hinge]

3 runs is 15 guilded and 15 minutes

[maiden sierra]

I can do a +12 for 20 gilded and an item in 17 mins

• vault slot

Inneficient.

[runic hinge]

You gotta find 4 other people for that

[maiden sierra]

You dont have a guild?

[red schooner]

Sometimes you just wanna vibe solo

[runic hinge]

If you’re getting your guildies to carry you sure. Delves are inefficient compared to just getting carried lol

[maiden sierra]

Vibing solo does not change the fact they are less efficient than spaming keys

Delves are a source of power for sure

[red schooner]

I'm also not a m+ enjoyer, if I can do delves for what I need instead of m+ I'm doing delves

[maiden sierra]

But not as good as simply doing other things

[maiden sierra]

If you need to get carried in a 12 then thats your skill issue

[red schooner]

I no longer need vaults or crests, I've not done m+ in like a month, life is good

[maiden sierra]

Me too, not touched a key in 3 weeks

[rain coral]

guys how can i do world quests in the broken isle? i cant see none and i need them for my class hall questline

[somber sparrow]

if charged crystal was only .3% lower than electric current, and electric current increased mastery by 8%, and they buffed charged bolts damage by 141%, and charged bolts was formerly .7% lower than electric current, what wins!!? 😄

[red schooner]

I need to touch one more because I'm 13 points shy of 3k, but, I lack the motivation

[somber sparrow]

will have to wait for update to pin

[runic hinge]

You’re not doing rat 12’s in 17 minutes

[red schooner]

I only did all 12s purely for dinar options

[somber sparrow]

i'm just happy we timed a +12 darkflame cleft by about 5 seconds yesterday

[maiden sierra]

I got my 3k at like 3rd week of the season, then stopped doing keys above a 12

Motivation is strkng early

Gone in 5 weeks

[waxen oyster]

Same

except i stopped at 2.9

then just lived in rookery

and dfc

perma

[red schooner]

I should have probably done higher, but I only needed vault and crests so 10s sufficed

[waxen oyster]

The biggest issue was variety

theater pugs are most likely to brick

[winged sun]

Sheeesh my guy solved world’s biggest problems

[waxen oyster]

for some reason

inefficient

[maiden sierra]

My mental break for this seasons score were pugs

[waxen oyster]

But also like

the map chest from delves

[maiden sierra]

In rookery every caster in every group got hit by the frontal

[waxen oyster]

gave 10 gildeds

now 20

[maiden sierra]

Like what???

[uneven plume]

We need simmmssss

[waxen oyster]

also

bran presses interrupt

more than 90% of pug dps

[runic hinge]

+7 from the chest as well

[waxen oyster]

yep

[maiden sierra]

@balmy condor cat update

[hollow river]

:o

[maiden sierra]

Also why no cat in the pins???

[hollow river]

delete me plz

[waxen oyster]

But yeah idk delves have been super good for alts

to gear them

[west crown]

[spice spire]

I’d never

[balmy condor]

Also Comcast sucks but I have news

[hidden bay]

fix it already

[gentle belfry]

Does anyone have a standalone bone Spike tracker week aura?

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

They hung this on my door

[runic hinge]

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

People don’t really track bone spike, what’s the point

[waxen oyster]

They want around whispyr’s pole.

[gentle belfry]

Ig

[thorn thorn]

Oh cool they know comcast sucks

Someone from here must know the whispyr comcast lore and also know where you live and also work for atnt

Crazy

[sonic pagoda]

it was by there mistake or someone logged in or tried to log in to my account? idk i hashed it out and idk weird stuff which i was a spammer/scammer make all the money lmao

[ocean quiver]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oVYK4T2YnDRkbQtXZgYUUW eye of kezan true?

[worthy rose]

you will want a heroic or mythic signet of the priory

or a heroic or mythic house of cards

along with the seaforium

the kezan at equal ilvl will outscale a seaforium for longer fights

mainly its a raid trinket for rogues

[ocean quiver]

I was going to wait until I time all 12s before spending

but if HoC hero is better than myth signet

I can just buy that now

[waxen oyster]

why didnt you craft a wep first

[ocean quiver]

I was outlaw

so I have crafted weapons already

I don't have spare sparks atm to craft so doing stuff to get them

[waxen oyster]

shouldnt you have more than 4 sparks

unlucky though

[ocean quiver]

Yeah I was gearing for outlaw

so I have crafted items already too

I have belt, neck, ring, wrist and feet all crafted

• the 2 weapons

[waxen oyster]

Oh oopsie making a second sword ig

[ocean quiver]

I just finished dung so I can craft a dagger rn

[waxen oyster]

since outlaw only needs 1

[ocean quiver]

Oh actually yeah

I only crafted 1

[waxen oyster]

get an on use though

[ocean quiver]

was using this

[waxen oyster]

signet hoc

even funhouse lens can be ok

[ocean quiver]

Do I save for 12s timed for myth signet

or buy hero hoc

[waxen oyster]

If you dont raid

just save for signet

[ocean quiver]

I only myth raid on my main

[waxen oyster]

hero funhouse lens actually outsims hoc hero for me

by 7k

granted im not convinced on use crit is that powerful

[ocean quiver]

Yeah not sure what I should do then tbf

[waxen oyster]

farm prioriy

kill oab heroic

[runic hinge]

Get your 12’s done

[waxen oyster]

Do at least one map from delves a week

funhouse, mechanocore, energy drink are all extremely strong

[ocean quiver]

I do have it

[waxen oyster]

not hero but

its likely stronger

than kezan in lower keys

[ocean quiver]

geargrinder's keys sim higher

slightly lower than eye but rather use that than eye

since I will drop stacks a lot

[waxen oyster]

geargrinder

💀

[ocean quiver]

so I should not use it?

[cursive slate]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[waxen oyster]

personally i wouldnt

maybe geargrinder does better with low gear

who knows

[runic hinge]

On use damage trinkets usually are better with lower gear

Also coming from outlaw maybe he’s got lots of vers

[waxen oyster]

yeah generally

if your spec likes direct damage gear

cooked

i feel thats a sign your dps spec sucks

[royal lantern]

did somebody allready spam ping whisp about pin Updates

[rain coral]

what the best way to farm reputation on the broken isle?

[runic hinge]

Yeah like ten people

We got Linux pictures instead

[rain coral]

anyone have an idea?

[royal lantern]

YOOOOOO

[runic hinge]

Which rep

[royal lantern]

do worldquest during timewalking?

[runic hinge]

It’s almost always questing tho

[rain coral]

no iam doing the quest from Khadgar to unlock worldquest

but i need to gain friendly rep in all of the zones from the broken isle

[runic hinge]

Do the campaign

[waxen oyster]

probably quest

[runic hinge]

Could wait for legion timewalking and it’ll be very quick

[royal lantern]

do the Campaign

[rain coral]

which campaign?

i am doing already classhall campaign

[runic hinge]

Legion

There’s questing in each zone

[waxen oyster]

the main story

[rain coral]

uff but this will take some time

[runic hinge]

If you wanna be really patient

You can wait for legion remix

Probably level another rogue fast and get all that done easy peasy

[rain coral]

is there no way like rare mobs or something

[runic hinge]

Probably not. Idk legion was 8 years ago

Better off asking wowhead

[winged sun]

@midnight mist u think we will get the title???????????

[runic hinge]

No

Too low

[polar cape]

Need resil 21 obviously

[indigo thicket]

should i be buying hero version of signet or house of cards?

[maiden sierra]

this might be the first ever title where you will need 4k score

[waxen oyster]

Happens when they needlessly add 6 ilvl

[maiden sierra]

i believe in the chinese to make up some sick dungeon strats

[waxen oyster]

to a season

[waxen oyster]

neither

[indigo thicket]

any recs for a first dinar buy on a 625 character?

[waxen oyster]

jastor or just dont buy

[maiden sierra]

whispyr is typing for a while, the cat jail is over!

[waxen oyster]

nothing else is worth at heroic

[balmy condor]

No one saw this coming

The delve belt got buffed a ridiculous amount, image 1 is single target, image 2 in dungeons

Take Charged Bolts (random single target proc damage), its real good, turns out buffing something by 141% makes it strong

If you're sweaty for some aoe or whatever then take Electric Current still, it's just a mastery buff and still fine

[royal lantern]

makes no real difference, both are equal for assa

if you can do all keys on +12, get a mythic signet ofc

if you are planning on playing sub, get HoC as sub kinda needs it

[winged sun]

charged bolt all the way for m+ baby

lets fucking gooooooooo

[maiden sierra]

will charged bolt make me outdps a prot warrior in st in a dungeon?

[royal lantern]

the prot warrior will also have it