assassination

[marble hemlock]

like, aug having 100 parses on gally, shits gonna be whack

[thorn thorn]

And some others

[worthy rose]

yeah i didnt need kezan

its just heroic gally

[balmy condor]

data size is pretty rough in mythic/m+

[waxen oyster]

my warrior got it in 3

[worthy rose]

i got the jastor diamond

and i peaced out

LOL

only celared once nad got what i needed

[sullen mural]

My guild has killed heroic gally every week

and we have dropped 0 rings

?

[balmy condor]

60 survival hunters on m gally

[worthy rose]

i fucking

[balmy condor]

[worthy rose]

was ready to blast my dps rotation cd

on the first blast

then i imediately get plonked

[waxen oyster]

i got my rogue’s jastor from vault

[worthy rose]

by the bomb healer mechanic

and im like ??????????

afk rest of the fight

[waxen oyster]

then 2 weeks later got it from mythic dungeon box

[sullen mural]

I had to buy heroic jastor with dinar

[worthy rose]

my guild only just started mythic raiding tho

[sullen mural]

[thorn thorn]

I got house of cards from mythic dungeon box

[waxen oyster]

i just have a spare hc jastor in my bags

[worthy rose]

and we got the carnage and the vexie first try

was not bad

[balmy condor]

but like heroic lockenstock for example with a bigger sample size

[worthy rose]

got my fist wep and trinket keys

[balmy condor]

things mellow out

[waxen oyster]

ok im not buying hc jastor when doing mythic

[balmy condor]

quite a bit

[waxen oyster]

thats banned

[worthy rose]

lockenmonger sprocketstock

[thorn thorn]

Outlaw the only spec at 0

[sullen mural]

We were on oab when i did that to be fair

[worthy rose]

stockensprocket locketmong

[waxen oyster]

still

[sullen mural]

I mean what else am i doing with dinar

was my only upgrade

[worthy rose]

mythic seaforium > heroic eye of kezan

[worthy rose]

theres not much to buy if youre alreayd at the top of the cutting edge gear tbh

[balmy condor]

hmmmmmm

[worthy rose]

dinar is dead content in a way

[sullen mural]

Yeah noone talking about eye of khazan

[worthy rose]

just to gear up offspecs

no i mean

most of what you can buy off dinars

[balmy condor]

5% unholy arcane and outlaw

[worthy rose]

is basically dea content

or for your offspec

[thorn thorn]

Ok maybe not the only spec

Only dps

[sullen mural]

Or rare items u dont loot

[worthy rose]

yeah

[sullen mural]

jastor was like 1.9% upgrade even on heroic

[balmy condor]

but yeah, logs have a lot of data, just need way more people logging/playing mythic and m+

cause the data as it stands, usually pretty sus

[thorn thorn]

People only wanna play the meta specs

[balmy condor]

"which rogue spec is best for one arm" and there's fucking 19 otulaw parses

[waxen oyster]

get a normal one from tw box

[balmy condor]

like just looking at data

good fucking luck

[waxen oyster]

im still sitting on 6 dinars

till gally dies

[sullen mural]

ppl not rerolling fotm every season are some real mvps

[balmy condor]

there's 2 survival hunters on OAB

look at this shit

good data

[waxen oyster]

I dont enjoy most specs tbh

[sullen mural]

One of em is in my guild

yoo

[waxen oyster]

i alt havoc in case since average havoc player

sucks

[sullen mural]

Nvm he was in korea/japan trip when we killed

I lied!

[balmy condor]

it has to fucking interpolate the quartiles off a data set of 2

insane work

like yes, technically accurate

but there's more stat points here than actual parses

good meme

[thorn thorn]

Who out here looking at bandit and like "man, i wanna play surv on this boss"

2 people

2 very weird people

[waxen oyster]

People who dont wanna do coins

i guess

[balmy condor]

I played crimson tempest on tempest this week

I didn't do shit for damage

but CT was pumping

[fallow canopy]

very unethical of you

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr

[balmy condor]

I think it could be good

I'm a believer

[thorn thorn]

You should play surv as an alt

Dot Spec

[balmy condor]

did you just call me a slur

[sullen mural]

He did

[balmy condor]

me, a member of the LGBT?

during pride?

yikes bro

you're done

[thorn thorn]

Its a time of being seen

We all know Whispyr is a closet surv player

[balmy condor]

"you should play survival" is like top 10 most insulting things of all time

[thorn thorn]

Time to commit to the bit

[sullen mural]

is it like barely top 10

or how high

[balmy condor]

telling a dps at the end of the key "maybe try beast mastery" is just funny flaming

"you should play survival" has hatred in his veins

pure contempt

[thorn thorn]

The man christian would play survival

[balmy condor]

christian left me on read man

so fucked

[sullen mural]

@autumn idol you should play survival

[thorn thorn]

Ok fine

If not survival then play Shadow

Also dot spec

[balmy condor]

the anime pfp's are yelling at each other again says the man with a chibi pfp

[autumn idol]

why

[sullen mural]

No reason dw about it

[balmy condor]

you're getting hatecrimed

[thorn thorn]

They hate you is why

[sullen mural]

[worthy rose]

fucking

shadow is the most complex thesis type rotatino

fuck

i cant believe i went from playing shadow priest

to assassination rogue

to now unholy dk

[autumn idol]

nothing new

[worthy rose]

its like my progression of losing braincells

to do more dps

shadow is way too complex to pay for too little reward

[thorn thorn]

If you play Dev its jover

[worthy rose]

if i reduce my brain cells any further

im prob gonna have to play retadin or frost dk

channel my inner arthas

[fresh kelp]

apply dots, don't overcap, spend procs, profit?

[worthy rose]

frost dk with a 2hander weapon

[balmy condor]

[worthy rose]

of all the class discords rogue discord prob the best

[thorn thorn]

So question

Is "You should play Survival" higher on the list of insults than "You should play Augmentation"

[sullen mural]

kinda a compliment no

[thorn thorn]

Idk whispyr said its an insult

[worthy rose]

might as well play disc priest for dps at that point

[ocean shell]

isn't aug kind of hard in raid though

[thorn thorn]

Yes

[sullen mural]

Yeah thats why i said kinda compliment

[worthy rose]

its only a compliment if the player can actually pull it off

otherwise ur just inting

[sullen mural]

I mean would you say that to your worst player in raid

I wouldnt

[thorn thorn]

I told a friend he should try aug and he told me to toaster bathtub

[autumn idol]

@sullen mural

[thorn thorn]

Would before

Not anymore

Now that it takes actual effort to get any decent value from

[worthy rose]

you know

on that run of mythic raiding right

on carnage and vexie

we were wiping on cauldron of carnage

until our evoker guildie left

and then magically we replaced it with another person who was doing good dps

and we cleared it

💀

anyone want to take a guess what dps the evoker was doing

[thorn thorn]

what spec were they

[worthy rose]

devastation

i had to double check

and triple check

[thorn thorn]

Too little

[worthy rose]

coz i thought it was aug

[thorn thorn]

Idk how people do shit dps as Dev

[worthy rose]

guess the dps i dare u

[thorn thorn]

Spec is piss easy

[worthy rose]

do it i dare u

[ocean shell]

losing to warr tank

[thorn thorn]

Im gonna guess some animalistic behavior of 800k

[worthy rose]

it was in fact

i shit u not

fucking

435k

im like ??????????

how is taht even possible

[ocean shell]

well was the dev at least paying for a carry?

[worthy rose]

no

guildie

[ocean shell]

sadge

[balmy condor]

augmentation players are just based support players and get too much hate because the m+ community has destroyed their reputation, the real augheads are insanely based

[worthy rose]

was there for the vibes

[thorn thorn]

Real

We all wanna be like Fluup

But probably never will

[worthy rose]

this was the chart of my clear when they left

cauldron of carnage

[keen spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-donkey-i-believe-gif-14280727

[worthy rose]

i had no idea what i was diong other than unga bunga

[keen spruce]

NOT A TRACE

OF DOUBT IN MY MIND

[ocean shell]

wait wtf you can beat dev as aug now?

[thorn thorn]

Show dam breakdown

[fallow canopy]

Why we hating on survival tho

[worthy rose]

@thorn thorn dont you love it

[keen spruce]

[worthy rose]

when your hunter is fighitng with a holy pally for dps

DONT U LOVE IT

[waxen oyster]

man

[worthy rose]

@thorn thorn

this was my damage breakdonw

[waxen oyster]

and i thought seeing a vdh doing 400k st

was bad

[thorn thorn]

Bro

Of the Dev

Show the breakdown of the Dev

[worthy rose]

bro

me and my friends are like make a wish

with the way we carry some people

[thorn thorn]

Or the talent build

[worthy rose]

oh

[thorn thorn]

Cuz I gurantee he is running some giga cursed no causality build or some shit

[worthy rose]

this was the run we actually cleared

that my firned logged

not of the evoker

we dont have that log

do u want to see the breakdown of that hunter tho

thats 521k dps right there

[thorn thorn]

How do you expect me to roast a wild Evoker if I cant see their breakdown or talents

[waxen oyster]

i saw a brm monk

[worthy rose]

bro heres the hunter u can roast

[waxen oyster]

with like 50+ kills of every boss on hc

and no he wasnt a sale runner

[thorn thorn]

Idk I dont play MM

MM is cringe

[fallow canopy]

Woah woah

[worthy rose]

hes actually fighting it out with the healers

[fallow canopy]

Sybau

MM is cool

[waxen oyster]

isnt mm more of a caster

than actual casters

[thorn thorn]

MM has real "My mom thinks im cool" energy

[worthy rose]

mm is the one that casts aimed shot right

[fallow canopy]

Ye

[bronze pike]

dev hardge

[worthy rose]

but guys

the fucking duality

[thorn thorn]

[worthy rose]

my friend sneakypatty

irl friend

and the pumbz guy

LOL

the same spec

its like worlds apart difference

[bronze pike]

[worthy rose]

almsot 5x the damage

5x the dps

[thorn thorn]

Dev very easy

[bronze pike]

hardge

i have to stand around

and wait

for rank 3 firebreath

me no like

[thorn thorn]

Bro

Its the same cast time as aimed shot

[dense grove]

I'm getting bullied by my friends for not doing enough dps idk what to do i don't even wanna play mythics anymore lol.
I even follow a rotation I found on methods website but it's just not working
I'm ilvl 646

[worthy rose]

@thorn thorn ok i found a log of a heroic clear where i was doing make a wish

can u spot the evoker

[balmy condor]

ilvl is pretty low, but do you have any logs to look at

[bronze pike]

but i wanna

awsd

[thorn thorn]

Show breakdown

[dense grove]

only got details not logs

[balmy condor]

okay well lets see that

and maybe we can go from there

[worthy rose]

bleed build 646 ilvl my rough guess should be youre doing maybe 2.5mil dps in a dungeon

[viscid spear]

Halfway

[worthy rose]

which is basically a geared tank's dps overall this late into the season

i think youre doing ok

your friend smight be giving you a hard time as banter and memes

[waxen oyster]

this image tells nothing

[worthy rose]

wait till youre 660 or 670 ilvl and youd be bigboi blasting

[dense grove]

nah hes for real

just cuz hes playing a demon hunter

[worthy rose]

whats your dps?

your details screenshot only shows the overall damage done

[dense grove]

and is able to make big dmg

[worthy rose]

what is his ilvl?

[balmy condor]

please

just link anything

[worthy rose]

every 10 ilvls is like 20% damage boost or so

[dense grove]

mb im getting it

[worthy rose]

main point is what is your main hand?

is your mainhand ilvl 681 or 684?

that alone is kneecapping you significantly

[waxen oyster]

also read the wowhead guide

[worthy rose]

of all the upgrades you can do to your gear right now it would be to rush a 681 mainhand

[waxen oyster]

who even wrote the method one

[dense grove]

645

[waxen oyster]

i forgot they made guides

[worthy rose]

that is the biggest reaspn

[balmy condor]

me

[worthy rose]

your friend must be using 681 or 684 warglaives

youre losing by default at least 15% dps

by not having a good mainhand

could be more tbh

[dense grove]

details is weird with the logs

lol

[worthy rose]

whats the dps overall tho?

[dense grove]

single target is like 1m

1.2

cleaves i can get up to 3m

[balmy condor]

would suggest not playing that build

should go bleed probably

[thorn thorn]

Are you on Wyrmrest Accord or Ragnaros

[dense grove]

wyrmrest

[balmy condor]

those garrotes seem a bit low as well idk

[thorn thorn]

Gnome rogue?

[balmy condor]

don't tell me you're playing forced induction

[dense grove]

yeah

[runic hinge]

show talents

[dense grove]

it's a hybrid not bleed

[balmy condor]

pfew

okay at least hybrid

should be bleed probably, but that's fine at least

[worthy rose]

ok for starters

do not use the hybrid build

at your ilvl

and at the keys your edoing

[balmy condor]

what

[worthy rose]

please use the bleedbiuld

[balmy condor]

hybrid is fine

[thorn thorn]

Capital recommendation start logging your runs

[worthy rose]

i mean for low keys hybrid isnt really the way to go

[thorn thorn]

Much easier for people to give support if we have logs to look at

[balmy condor]

it's fine

[runic hinge]

you're confusing it with FI/cleave build

[balmy condor]

but yeah, there's some rotational issue but no way to tell without logs

like rox said

log your key

and then we can disect

[waxen oyster]

hybrid still follows the general rules bleed does

[dense grove]

I just started playing assasination, I was sub rogue and haven't played since bfa

[worthy rose]

ah possibly

[dense grove]

but sub rogue is cheeks

I barely do any damage

[thorn thorn]

I still recommend starting to log your runs

[spice surge]

Ultimately it doesnt matter that much what talent setup you play, how you play is significantly more impactful than exactly which one of the good builds youre using

[thorn thorn]

And return when you have one for us to look at

[waxen oyster]

sub does damage

every 1.5mins

[dense grove]

downloading the addon rn

[waxen oyster]

then you wet noodle

until your cds are back

[dense grove]

yeah

[thorn thorn]

Details only showss blatantly obvious problems like not using a core ability enough but logs let us get into the weeds of it

Figure out of your opener is some uber cursed double shiv into DM or something weird

[runic hinge]

imaigne if shiv stacked

[waxen oyster]

sometimes i open my character pane just to laugh when my mastery goes to like 200% on sub

during cds

[dense grove]

Thanks for the tips

[thorn thorn]

[slim copper]

guys i hate to ask this because i feel i know the answer. I know adds are more important in M Rik, but we still funnel on Rik right?

[dense grove]

should I just get a dagger crafted

[balmy condor]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtlety.

[balmy condor]

yes, mainhand dagger is your most important slot by ilvl

by far

offhand daggers on the other hand are entirely worthless

so you shouldn't craft two daggers

but just for the mainhand ilvl, great craft

[waxen oyster]

gonna be honest

rik is basically a test if your ranged can hit far barrel

[dense grove]

this one right

shit mb

[balmy condor]

yes

make sure it's not the intellect one

[dense grove]

yeah i read that on wowhead just wanted to be sure lmao

thank you

[balmy condor]

no matter how many big warnings I add

people still do it

[slim copper]

figured thanks sorry

[balmy condor]

np

that's what it's there for

[slim copper]

not gonna lie... i was on my DH and I was using an int weapon for a while... was embarassing as hell when i found out

[main bridge]

The blind fold probably makes that an easy mistake to make

[slim copper]

couldnt see the stats clearly... i think you're on to something

[dense grove]

that's just with a 658 mainhand wtf

on cleave dummies

[balmy condor]

mainhand is important yah

it's the main thing that influences ability damage

[molten willow]

does shiv no longer get rid of enrage

[balmy condor]

it does

[spice surge]

I love having my dispel tied to my major offensive cooldown

Like first boss top dispelling the bull

Very fun

[limpid hawk]

hello, assassination rogue is my alt. I got a champion house of cards and a champion signet of the priory, which should i be running? my other trinket is a crafted alchemist stone, but i didnt know if two on use's were the play

[balmy condor]

house of cards and signet are equal

just pick one

[viscid spear]

Yeah but which one is better

[cold sparrow]

Hello, when DM is up and we have supercharged CP, do we still finish at 7 (max) or can we finish at 5 to proc DM? Or it does not matter lol

[balmy condor]

doesn't matter

[molten willow]

idk why but everytime I use it does nothin

[balmy condor]

what are you using it on

[molten willow]

the bull on ToP

[oak musk]

11.1.7 rogue gets lust but it's also tied to shiv

[molten willow]

I tried out and in stealth

[balmy condor]

and it still stomps?

the aoe stomp is the enrage

should glow all purple and shit, gets bigger, then you shiv

[molten willow]

it stays red for me

on my momma

it is weird

[balmy condor]

then you're not hitting shiv or something, log it

[molten willow]

Ill record it

[errant heath]

Tea supposed to come up before shiv? Seems to always happen. Using the shiv marco from here

[balmy condor]

tea is off gcd

shiv isn't

so if you hit the macro, tea will fire instantly, shiv will get queued

[errant heath]

I see

seems to happen everytime for me, guess i need to watch the gcd

[balmy condor]

okay but why do you care

it's always before

[errant heath]

My OCD is going wild everytime I see it cast first

[thorn thorn]

Dont be tricked into thinking it actually matters

Cuz it dont

[errant heath]

Gotcha!

[balmy condor]

what's the problem with it casting first

[dapper cradle]

I’m sorry miss jackson

[spice spire]

I am four eels

[restive glade]

anyone know how to configure my wa to color my energy when its at sang blade threshold?

[coral ibex]

yea

set a condition on the gradient color most likely

[swift wing]

@balmy condor ill see you in the next one buddy

[restive glade]

added this in wa ty for idea

[balmy condor]

W

[swift wing]

my comcast legend

im d4 how are u in my game LMAO

[balmy condor]

I used to be fucking masters in treeline man

what happened

[restive glade]

in treeline been a min

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah, that'll happen

[swift wing]

[balmy condor]

I haven't played since they removed treeline

aside from like random fuckass arams

[swift wing]

that garen is bronze giga chad elo dropper for flex Q

[balmy condor]

the Q max caught me off guard early ngl

all of a sudden I get flash Q'd for like 300

[swift wing]

thats just what he does (everything wrong)

[balmy condor]

respectable jumpscare

[swift wing]

https://tenor.com/view/gragas-falling-sky-flying-gif-9168416654789210060

[little tulip]

do we uh, not worry about sanguine blades in aoe?

[swift wing]

wdym

u basically should always be fine enough for energy in mass AOE from rupture but yah make sure ur getting max uptime

huge dmg

[little tulip]

no i get that, i was getting the vibe that just sending

was huge damage

guess im asking we only worry about sanguine in single target

end of a pack there's a few mobs alive just keep sending ignore sanguine zug zug

[balmy condor]

you only worry about sanguine in single target if you're playing bleed build and there's nothing else happening

[little tulip]

okay was garroting too much and it opened up this whole thing, thanks

[runic hinge]

are you playing league

[balmy condor]

yes

[runic hinge]

gross

[balmy condor]

playing with irl friends is good

I like playing with friends

[runic hinge]

yeah one of my bffs wants me to start playing again

I had a million jinx mastery

[balmy condor]

my like 5th game back after 4-5 years

I got my gwen counterpicked by an aatrox

[swift wing]

F

[balmy condor]

he was diamond 2

1.6mil mastery

[timber hare]

hey guys im just returning to wow after a pretty long deployment. im trying to figure out why i feel scuffed (gameplay wise) coming out of stealth are we just spamming garrot/rupture on pack until all dots still?

[main bridge]

wowhead has a pretty good guide on this

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps#aoe-priority

[timber hare]

what weakaura should i be using to track darkest night etc

[pure moth]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[runic hinge]

Dunno if I wanna put that needle back into the vein I’m like one year clean

[main bridge]

play WoW with friends instead much better

[undone kelp]

does feint stack, i have 2 charges of it

[main bridge]

no

it just increases the duration

[undone kelp]

ok

[runic hinge]

We do but it’s off season. Everyone got 3k and aotc

[main bridge]

why stop at 3k now? we keep gaining more power

never been a better time to get m+ title and CE

[runic hinge]

[rotund oak]

[pure moth]

groups are impossible..

[main bridge]

just stack charisma and then you will have no problem grouping

[pure moth]

i just want one tank that doesnt overpull and go my b, then they leave party

[rotund oak]

u can do like 3.3k-ish with pugs,assuming u wanna torture urself but title is a very big word

[main bridge]

i would rather envenom my eyes than pug

[rotund oak]

if u have a team then u can target the title,its a different game

[main bridge]

yeah it's super fun to play with a team

[rotund oak]

my last team experience was bfa

after that i chilled alot

even when if we bricked like 10 keys a day it wouldnt matter

we yapped alot on discord

over and over again until we timed stuff

[main bridge]

sounds wonderful

[rotund oak]

was fun in its own way

[runic walrus]

Anyone know why the shiv macro isn't working for me that the bot links? It wont cast thistle tea at all when I press shiv.

[waxen oyster]

do you have charges

[runic walrus]

yes

[waxen oyster]

because tea autocasts at 30 energy

so some people think they do

[waxen oyster]

pugs are getting worse and worse

[runic walrus]

Yeah this is just me hitting a dummy in town. The macro used to work when I used it last tier, but then I started just using a stand alone button for tea for a while - But now I want to macro it back and it doesnt seem to be working. Copied the macro exactly from the bot as well.

[waxen oyster]

maybe typo

[main bridge]

yeah i think the turbo boost event has forced a lot of people that don't normally do keys into higher ones for the dinar

[balmy condor]

do you have tea in your bank

[runic walrus]

... Probably

[waxen oyster]

me looking at the sub 680 peasants

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-pathetic-principal-skinner-gif-13486077408184960752

[balmy condor]

first off, clean your bank

second off

delete that old ass tea

it's expired

[little tulip]

chicken spread :]

[waxen oyster]

whispyr i have legion raid gear in my bank

thoughts?

[runic walrus]

Gotta keep the memories!

[main bridge]

i had corrupted and titanforged gear in my bags when i logged onto my rogue recently

[waxen oyster]

bro has a mythic folly in his bags

[main bridge]

i think i actually do

that weapon owned

[runic walrus]

You never know when they bring it back and it bugs out something and I 1 shot a mythic boss.

[waxen oyster]

i still have both of mine

[runic walrus]

deleted my bank tea, and the macro still doesnt seem to be working...

[waxen oyster]

I ended a rookery over 4m

[balmy condor]

dunno

[waxen oyster]

with the other 2 dps barely pushing 2m

[onyx nymph]

recover that immediately

[balmy condor]

that's usually the issue for people

[waxen oyster]

where does the tea item come from

even

im not that big of a rogue unc

[main bridge]

you used to be able to buy it iirc

[onyx nymph]

from the venth guy

i forget his name

[waxen oyster]

theotar’s tea was diff

[main bridge]

in classic you had to do a quest to unlock poisons and then make them

[waxen oyster]

Also gave me haste half the time as sub

[onyx nymph]

ah

[waxen oyster]

fuck you theotar

[onyx nymph]

xD

[runic walrus]

Think the troll in our legion order hall sold it for a time maybe?

[waxen oyster]

all i remember about the order halls

was at least 3-4 people inspected my mog

when i went down there

[runic walrus]

ok well I had 2 different thistle tea's in my bank...

this one is deff from the order hall, the other must've been original item.

I can't hold all these teas

[main bridge]

you're a tea hoarder

are you British?

[runic walrus]

Australian, so British convict I suppose.

[main bridge]

explains a lot

[runic walrus]

stole the tea

[balmy condor]

and the macro works now?

[runic walrus]

it does not, but I will relog and see if that changes anything.

I've deleted anything that has the word tea in it...

[runic walrus]

Yep works after I've relogged. Thank you for all the help!

[balmy condor]

np

[brave comet]

still waiting for echoing void to be fixed

[waxen oyster]

Why

just play void ritual

[balmy condor]

or gushing

or twilight dev

they all do the same

[waxen oyster]

nah whispyr i need to cope and pretend

my ritual proc in execute

stars align

yk

[balmy condor]

yeah surely

[waxen oyster]

Twilight dev is fun too

sometimes it procs infinite times

[main bridge]

is it hard to avoid pulling random shit with twilight dev? i'm surprised anyone is willing to risk that

[waxen oyster]

sometimes never

just play tank

and say you meant to pull that

[main bridge]

haha

[waxen oyster]

idk the td beam isnt that far

if your tanking that close where td can pull idk what to tell you

(its also just comedy on specs like havoc where a td crit is like 5m)

[little tulip]

dumb question is there a discord for m+ lfg?

[main bridge]

there is at least one!

[brave comet]

i'm definitely pplaying my tank rogue so i can use twilight dev

[little tulip]

sucks doing pugs on a weekend with scrubbins

[waxen oyster]

I mean none of the corruptions matter

[little tulip]

point me :y

[waxen oyster]

twilight dev works fine on dps

[main bridge]

search for "mythic plus friends"

[little tulip]

[waxen oyster]

The old peak m+ discord on na

got archived

too many gamerwords

rip legion m+

[brave comet]

is that actually useful?

[waxen oyster]

when the content was actually fun

[main bridge]

legion was pretty awesome

i'm sad they abandoned class halls and stuff. all of that was the best

[rotund oak]

the 1st part was kinda torturous

but in all was great

[waxen oyster]

i got vendetta boots 2nd

[main bridge]

i liked the class quests so much that i did it for every class

[waxen oyster]

no idea what you mean

forget the part where i did every lfr wing weekly

and wanted to rope

[little tulip]

the top gladiator skip is awful by the way

[rotund oak]

and the gated follower stuff to get them weekly quests

[rotund oak]

wasnt that bad but there were better^^

[waxen oyster]

i dont recall

i hate doing top in pugs though

i just kidney people in the duel to assert dominance

[brave comet]

ye that M+ discord is basically dead heh

[waxen oyster]

I mean rogue has always been a pvp theming class

Also god i miss dfa and no fall damage

[little tulip]

it's probably the best dungeon this season

[waxen oyster]

i used to kill people on their flying mounts

in open world

[little tulip]

just tedious with pugs

[rotund oak]

can remember back in SL,in top ild press sblades/dance to delete the one in arena and kill the flag as well when we were kicked back up

[waxen oyster]

you just shadowstriked teleport into full cp dfa

and killed someone

[little tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/hosico-twerking-cat-pole-dancing-funny-gif-25444578

[waxen oyster]

Did it to afk people who were like 500 yd in the air

must have been confused why they come back to pc dead

[waxen oyster]

nah rookery

fastest vault key

cinderbrew can be just as fast if your dps are good but eh

[little tulip]

yeah i miss the world pvp zones like tol barad

[waxen oyster]

the best part about subterfuge was you could netomatic someone from stealth

[little tulip]

was watching the bear season 3 and there's a lot of those carmy vibes rn is good but

[waxen oyster]

and it wouldnt unstealth you until the net cast finished

[little tulip]

world control points pvp was good

[waxen oyster]

theres also something so funny about casting net on someone and watching them fall z axis

to their death

df the closest trolling you could do was kidney someone fighting a pack of elites

as the pack spawned swirlies

then watch them die to it

[main bridge]

[waxen oyster]

I need to buy jaina’s locket on alt

to put old dalaran portal on lock closets

and blame the mage

[dusky vault]

Do we know what ilvl M jastors is equivalent too? Will it be a s3 forever keeper?

[waxen oyster]

You can probably sim it

add what 39 ilvl to a current ring?

[balmy condor]

will depend on the rest of your gear and what the tier set is and if we play fatebound or deathstalker, but generally speaking a similar mastery/haste ring can replace it at 710ish

so like end of hero track/start of myth track

crafted ring would beat it as well

[dusky vault]

ok thank you

[red schooner]

"if we play fatebound", horrifying

The darkest timeline

[balmy condor]

I mean who knows

fatebound could get a rework going into next tier

probably won't

[waxen oyster]

Why do people worry so much

[balmy condor]

but no one can point me to something that says otherwise

[waxen oyster]

about a new season

[balmy condor]

we just have no clue

[red schooner]

Crippling anxiety

[waxen oyster]

i didnt even know what the s2 trinkets were

until this tier started

”what is this house of cards everyone is yapping about”

tbh i only look at gear to stop the annoying yap of raid leaders

to send your droptimizers etc

[dusky vault]

For me its just sending heroic jastor 😶‍🌫️ for gally prog vs being behind by a big item all of next season, not that its that much but still

[waxen oyster]

huh

Atp in the tier there are no dps checks

🤣

[balmy condor]

yeah don't buy anything for prog

that's omega troll

[waxen oyster]

personally i feel

upgrading for prog past the first month

is a waste

its 90% mechanic checks

after multiple nerfs come in

1% sim dps isnt going to stop the frost dk in my guild from stepping on a mine every pull

[dusky vault]

haha yeah thats fair

[rotund oak]

wheelchairs..

[dusky vault]

Doesnt stop our guild missing dps checks though

[rotund oak]

most ppl,like the vast majority focus either on dps or mechanics

a good raider does both^^

[waxen oyster]

Nah how do you miss dps checks

at this point in the tier

💀

We got an extra 6 ilvl+aura buff

[waxen oyster]

What happens if person does neither

[rotund oak]

hold on

https://tenor.com/bfuQS.gif

like its a legitimate reason to find a replacement

its a cruel world,u just need to get better

ive failed alot in the past,still do

there is no shame in trying to get better

[waxen oyster]

oh i know

[lethal arrow]

be goated and focus on both

or be naturally good at one and focus on the other

[rotund oak]

Do both equally,nothing less

https://tenor.com/eN85caNnI91.gif

[soft flicker]

@balmy condor sneaking in to defend our honor informing that we ranked #84 execution on Mug reclear

[balmy condor]

[zenith elm]

Hello, gonna try to raid a bit more agressively for this end of season and next one, any advice ?

[bright tartan]

press buttons harder you deal more damage this way

[zenith elm]

I'll add Finger day for my workout plans

[rotund oak]

In ancient Greece ppl said ''νους υγιης εν σωματι υγιη'' which in free translation means a healthy sharp mind requires a healthy strong body

😉

try to work out to remain sharp

(in case u missed)

[zenith elm]

I'm in the army, being physically fit is a requirement, its not optional 🥲

[grim jay]

ha

not everywhere

fitter than average, yes, but some armies only have really fit people in special groups

[zenith elm]

really? we need to train at least two times a week haha

[grim jay]

depends on the training itself and on the definition ig

1-2 times per week would be above average for me personally

[zenith elm]

yeah, we run mostly except if there is some other kind of training needed

mostly 1 to 2 hours runs

[cinder mountain]

how do you guys track if rupture is on 5 targets, I'm looking for ideas, I guess its pretty personal afterall, I have WA showing how many users have it. e.g. 2/5 but I always forget looking at it (skill issue I guess) 😄

[balmy condor]

scent of blood tracker on my rupture weakaura

so basically same thing you have

[cinder mountain]

ahh so maybe I should just train my brain better

I was thinking amybe of changing plater color or something in that direction

[balmy condor]

I mean I guess you could, think some people do that

but that gets super messy in my experience

cause people also color their marked target

and they mark enemies by kick/frontal, like jundies plater and stuff

so then you have like 7 different colors on your screen

absolute disaster

[cinder mountain]

yea, prio targets casters are already colored

makes sense

maybe I should just make that 2/5 bigger

like 5 times bigger 😄

sound cue could also work possibly, but again we have already a lot of sound cues anyways

but still better than coloring

[balmy condor]

a sound cue to remind you to press rupture is insane

idk just practice

it's like a core rotational thing

you shouldn't be struggling much with it if you have the rotation down, but you have the knowledge obviously

so you just need repetition

[cinder mountain]

yea, you are right, maybe I should just get to work and stop thinking about workarounds 🙂 ty for the discussion!

[final star]

I sometimes have prio target as different colours in my plater, but I usually have mark on it anyway so it goes a sensual hot pink

but I am the anomoly who doesn't use npc colours too much

outside of super important raid npc's

[buoyant jewel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[tiny plank]

For monk back when motc existed I had a dashed border on nameplates if <5, that way I could keep the nameplate colors

[cinder mountain]

I saw something similar dks use to show when to pop razorice, dashed border around targets, that can also be a thing I guess, atleast in some learning phase hopefully it will be automatic in later stages

[tiny plank]

I for now moved rupture to the special buffs on plater to make it easier to see when there are a lot of mobs

but don't play assa enough so I still struggle a bit and overwrite it in sometimes

[final star]

I would probably NOT learn these things

because the UI changes blizzard are looking to implement in future

will likely break this kind of tracking

Hopefully not, but I wouldn't hold out on it

[tiny plank]

I am now so used to the nameplate tracking be it next to it or above, that I would have to re-learn anyways. And as long as I don't know what comes for sure it doesn't make sense for me to re-learn it now.

[cinder mountain]

Yea, same, I modified jundies a lot to be able to track dots in a better way on the left side, naguura plater and jundies had a child on my side 😄

[final star]

I more meant WA for dashed lines/colour plates

that likely will break

[tiny plank]

oh yeah. I rely on Jundies and nameplate colors to an extend that it gets comical in voice chat. "kick the light blue one". I hope they don't change this.

[final star]

they might

but they might also add it to the base game

who knows

[tiny plank]

I will adapt if I have no other options. Be like water.

[tiny plank]

Also got that idea from Naguura's plater

[cinder mountain]

same hahah, it gets cringe when somebody is not using jundies, and I said "why we pulled 2 purple ones"

but if they standardize it into their UI , we will all have the same -> victory

even tho I doubt that will ever happen

why would blizzard tell you what is "important" target

it should be on us to figure that out

[ancient rain]

I open discord
Echoing Void is still bugged
I close

[stiff quiver]

shrimpd

[red schooner]

Maximum shrimp

[brave comet]

i'm on NA for fun i'm wondering which one do you guys think wins

[royal lantern]

no spine, only shrimp

[nova kelp]

roll OL, spare keys clean win

[sharp viper]

you've already lost by rolling outlaw

[nova kelp]

by playing wow*

[broken thicket]

correct me if i'm wrong but wasnt there a website that showed where every spec used cd's at a given boss taking data from warcraftlogs?

[spice surge]

lorrgs.io

@broken thicket

[broken thicket]

thanks

[sharp viper]

I distrust lorrgs ever since having to do bombs on tindral

top logs usually dont have mechanics assigned

[normal mist]

I distrust you for distrusting lorrgs

[subtle tundra]

miau

[final star]

Using vods better imo

But llorgs decent for a baseline

Probably not defensive usage though lmao

Ive noticed even though classes have off gcd defensive people just dont press them

[sharp viper]

I distrust you for distrusting me

[sharp viper]

that's the healers job

[shy axle]

how many raid renown levels can you catch up a week again? 2?

[worldly sail]

won't catch me wasting energy on feint

[potent raven]

any rogue players i nhere

[normal mist]

no

[red schooner]

we're all druids really

[spice spire]

Warrior player here

[hidden bay]

Can’t wait to play fatebound

[rotund oak]

u cant wait to play anything

[hidden bay]

It’s true, that’s why I raid later in fatebound tree

[rotund oak]

next lvl move

[hidden bay]

Already have done it last week but numbers were illegal

[gray hazel]

How do you guys do 8 mask solo? I just die to white hits lol

[zenith elm]

positive or negative ?

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/noahnoah-gif-15569947813902812404

[hidden bay]

Negative compared to DS

[bleak plume]

whats the best helm enchant for m+?

[zenith elm]

even on sprocketmonger?

[bleak plume]

in guide its written echoing void but top players play gushing wound?

[hidden bay]

Yea, sprocket aswell

Just unlucky flips you know

[fallow canopy]

Did someone say fatebound?

[red schooner]

No

[neat smelt]

most play void ritual

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-cat-based-cat-me-literalmente-yo-gif-27439468

[royal lantern]

pins

🙂

[nova kelp]

imagine, you open disc at midnight while listening to political content creators lose their minds about the real world wrestlemania going on between trumpstein and elon ma
and right as things go quiet you get hit with this gif, no context, no understanding

[bleak plume]

thanks

[fallow canopy]

you go to sleep happy as a clam fs

[faint tapir]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[viscid spear]

He has broads in Atlanta

[rotund oak]

be a mage or a pet class

tank works too

[gray hazel]

lol, so it’s just not me as assassination

[rotund oak]

havent tried on my rogue to push it but from what im getting is hard ye

[mortal crystal]

Take it real slow, that’s the best tip I can give. Crippling can help you out if kiting is necessary

[viscid spear]

I haven't even seen Stormwind under the effect of Multitudes.

[hallow glade]

Visions are very easy for sin, bleed build -> feint before pulling a pack and iron wire everything

[mortal crystal]

Mage quarter start is bad, but you can drag them out to the canal

[viscid spear]

tbh I wish that final talent node was available from the original, like it was on PTR

[hallow glade]

Orgrimmar is harder because the insane amount of obnoxious cc

[viscid spear]

idc if it means I'm soft, I just want my shiny achievement

[viscid spear]

The stupid casters in TVoW with their 5-second stuns

I would try some 8-Masks but I'm definitely not in a good mood already

[hallow glade]

Tvow?

I mean any casters you just step to them and iron wire

If you’re talking about the dominators

But otherwise if you’re ccd it’s a one shot

[wheat nest]

During your Deathmark window, should prio 7 CP envenoms over the normal 5 CP? I am trying to understand why my per-cast envenom is so low.
Things I know:

• Missing 6 Ilvl
• Missing 6% raid buff from Loyal Customer
• Missing Monk from group

[wary light]

Are you hitting your DN Lingering shiv envenom here?

On bandit that hits for like 22mil

So my guess is you're probs not doing that

[golden loom]

I didnt dry shiv on bandit

just double shiv the kingsbanes cause you are hitting the adds at the same time

[golden loom]

but no, your finisher rules do not change

u still finish on 5

[wheat nest]

I do the standard double shiv in KB window, then save for the next one. Are you saying its best to line up the DN boost for envenom with the dry shiv or one of the KB shivs?

[marsh ferry]

Lingering is 30s. It’s a pretty long window to get DN so you don’t have to do a lot to line them up for the dry shiv

Just have to use the one shiv there, then the 1min KB is just one shiv

[golden loom]

dry shiv vs double shiv on KB on bandit is probably the same overall anyways

idk

[shy sorrel]

Is there any way to make it so you can do a macro to target your target with Deathstalkets mark? Makes it easier after tabtarget to kick or to use rupture

[main bridge]

you could macro your kick to /targetlasttarget

[wary light]

Sure that's not his original question though is it

Just "why is my per cast envenom lower"

[shy sorrel]

So does that send me back to my DM target?

[golden loom]

I mean yeah I guess but you arent gaining 200m envenom damage from dry shiving

[main bridge]

it does what it says

[wary light]

The diff was only 40 mil in the screenshots he missed though

[shy sorrel]

Yeah but does it put me back to it or do I kick the last target

[wary light]

Which could be ilvl + monk + missing DN etc

[golden loom]

oh

well monk doesnt matter but yeah

no raid buff + ilvl

and no dry shiv

[wary light]

Always forget which buff does what

[golden loom]

monk is 5% physical

so do monk does nothing for envenom

[wary light]

Also idk what his high roller stacks were Vs the other rogue he was comparing

[golden loom]

killing bandit while missing 6% raid buff is interesting tho

[balmy hatch]

for a decent sim with bleed build, what kind of target should I put? how many bosses, minuts? what would be accurate to have the best idea for 10-12 m+

[golden loom]

just sim dungeon slice

[balmy hatch]

ok! and can you explain me how to add gems on a ring I would creat on raidbots please? I would like to test a ilvl 681 ring with 2 gems but I guess I'm blind, I can't find the way to add them

(to see if its better than the circlet one)

[golden loom]

uh just right click "add max sockets" on the ring and then select the gems lower down

[sand jewel]

mm

[wheat nest]

I missed one coin at the 21 second mark, so reducing the zoom to just the first 20 seconds and I am still getting mega gapped

[wheat nest]

Yeah, I am super late to the tier, coming from endgame in other MMO's. Competency is there, just need a repping out a bit and will be good

First time trying to get into an actual group and was a tryout

[golden loom]

based

[wheat nest]

Knowing how rogue is, does ilvl/raid buffs scale differently with the dots/DN/envenom?

[worn geyser]

is there a way to check how many cps were used per finisher in a log? in general but also for blackoutsr’s log, the other guy coulda also got mega seal fate rng and 7cp envemom all of those

[wheat nest]

I have been using the WoW Log Analyzer, it shows you

[worn geyser]

w

[wheat nest]

You could also pull it up in logs like so, but not as friendly on the eyes. You just have to pin the resources so it shows while looking at other metrics

[worn geyser]

oh i actually like that one better thank you

[wary light]

What's your stat breakdown like @wheat nest

[normal mist]

Does it matter? :3

[wheat nest]

Its pretty rough, it is one of the things I need to change.

I don't understand why there is so much variance right here though. 1st one is prior pulls, 2nd one is clear

[wheat nest]

I'm planning on swapping for crafted ring and bumping Mastery up

Obvi sim and everything

[wary light]

No 🤣

[fallow canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449080055893590017/1280746470815043646/456.gif

[uneven plume]

This is kinda true but having 30% haste rn is kinda wild ngl

[viscid spear]

Wasn't sure we were going to get it, had 12 deaths before Braunpyke. 32 seconds to spare.

5/8 so far

[outer kernel]

guys Echoing void fixed?

[viscid spear]

#assassination message

[outer kernel]

ok he will update the ping thx 😛

[viscid spear]

Yu should totally ping him

[humble verge]

idk @winged sun

holding 2nd kb on mug feels pretty bad

no value

@balmy condor IS ECHOING VOID FIXED

[spice spire]

Wait I can delete messages

LMFAO?

[raw marlin]

with sanguine blades and bleed, do i stay above 150 almost no matter what? my gear is so shit its hard lol

in ST

[runic hinge]

unreal

[spice spire]

Done

[runic hinge]

mod abuse

[spice spire]

You do not

[winged sun]

?

[spice spire]

I will not be doing that

[winged sun]

wdym feels pretty bad

and for what reason is it bad

[humble verge]

no value

feels like

i dont get any extra damage out of it

and i feel like it just lines up really bad

[runic hinge]

it is your lowest priority

[humble verge]

for the 3rd

[winged sun]

idk where u cooked that but u can do whatever u want ig

ur missing kingsbane spatter dmg

[humble verge]

idk maybe

bad placements of jails ig

[winged sun]

lines up perfectly for me and i dont lose boss dmg

[sage basin]

If you aren't getting spatter dmg on 2nd KB, they're just placing cages too far

usually out of an abundance of caution to not clip mugzee

[spice surge]

Spattering on them is just pad anyway nowadays

The people inside are stopping dps anyway

[winter willow]

how do i damagemax the pyrotechnics on rik?

[haughty flicker]

By yelling at your tank to move boss

[worn geyser]

delay first dm/kb a few seconds so it makes your cds line up better with them, then can use brain and slightly delay shiv/kb/dn’s and hope ur tank doesnt grief u and u get lucky with spawns

also flame your ranged players into prioing the far ones like theyre supposed to

[deep breach]

anyone got a weakaura to show the target that has deathstalkers mark on?

[west crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[mortal wave]

should I just buy highest rarity items with bejeweled curio? only champion gear is not red for me in the shop

nvm

[full spear]

is it viable to play assa with 16% vers :x

[viral sage]

at what key level does hybrid become better than bleed build

[normal mist]

probably 18s

19s

its team dependant

[west crown]

None, if ur considering dropping bleed just go forced induction

[west crown]

At high keys you need it to survive, otherwise it’s not ideal

But always sim

[winged quail]

Rank 6 Sprocket on 1st kill LETSFUCKINGGOOOO

[runic hinge]