for the love of god do soaks
#assassination
royal lantern
spice surge
Frontal is some ranged type shit
neat smelt
shadowstep is whack on that boss, press it a few times to get used to its positioning
golden loom
or just find someone to focus step on
neat smelt
step on tryan
royal lantern
Frontal is some ranged type shit
look at mr fancy having a "balanced raidcomp"
and not way to many melee dps
red schooner
speaking of soaks, soaks cemented my distrust of mages.
our mage on mugzee prog did 7 soaks over 2 nights, got benched due to it and had a fucking meltdown and ragequit
fuckin' mages man
last skiff
red schooner
Nah this mage was frost/arcane
Our fire mage is chill
Apart from his insistence of putting portals to oribos on top of the warlock closets
shy axle
ty guys, lets see how it goes this night
lunar pond
Laugh at everyone who dies to the opening slam on your first pull
sullen mural
speaking of soaks, soaks cemented my distrust of mages.
our mage on mugzee pro...
Me having 130 soaks on mugzee prog looking at my other melees having 20 over like 40+ pulls 
red schooner
Me having 130 soaks on mugzee prog looking at my other melees having 20 over lik...
20 is still better than 7 over like... 60 pulls, as a fucking ranged 
sullen mural
Yeah true
still not enough considering thats what we mainly wiped to after intermission
royal lantern
Apart from his insistence of putting portals to oribos on top of the warlock clo...
our warlocks just put gates on top of the summ stone
zenith steeple
!wa
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sharp viper
Daily disappointment of seeing no change to echoing void corruption 
timber socket
Daily disappointment of seeing no change to echoing void corruption <:ApuCry:969...
idd
nova kelp
zenith elm
Apart from his insistence of putting portals to oribos on top of the warlock clo...
Fcking hate it hahaha
lusty kraken
Daily disappointment of seeing no change to echoing void corruption <:ApuCry:969...
at this point I doubt they will fix it
midnight scroll
hey guys, this might be a silly question, i play a lot of bleed build and i love it, but when the rookery calls i gotta switch to hybrid, i was wondering if we should still keep CT on single target or just skip it? at this point it's a habit 😄
scarlet orbit
You only ever want to use ct on singletarget with bleed build. On hybrid you dont use it in singletarget
midnight scroll
got it, thanks!
lusty kraken
the reset after
sonic schooner
zeross has belt issue
oh shoot, this is not the shitalking channel, mb cuties assa 
feral mason
is belt this reset
in 2 resets but its bad when it releases unless they buff
gotta wait another week or two before its goodge
timegated again 
winged sun
ross going saiko
idk i like this gif when its desynced and 3 of them
looks funny as hell
humble verge
idk i like this gif when its desynced and 3 of them
violet berry
When did they change lingering darkness to shadow damage?
Wasn’t it 30% nature damage at one point or am I going crazy
keen spruce
humble verge
haughty flicker
When did they change lingering darkness to shadow damage?
its shadow damage on sub
nature damage on assa
thorny coyote
Hi, is there something useful i could buy with dinars, or i can invest to buy weapons to be able to respec to outlaw ? thanks 🙂
main bridge
raidbots has a droptimizer setting for puzzling cartel chips
hollow river
midnight mist
@winged sun did you check the pins
keen spruce
molten willow
How does one get into 13s ? Ive got 3 13s timed rest are 12s but I get declined all the time. How did yall get past this wall.
keen spruce
List your own key and make friends
molten willow
Figured
tawny geyser
Hey all, had a 3 month break from the game. Bleed Build is the way to go for M+
? Without KB?
keen spruce
Ye
tawny geyser
Any changes in Raid Build? We don't Vanish anymore right?
molten willow
Do yall like using the hybrid m+ build using KB?
red schooner
Any changes in Raid Build? We don't Vanish anymore right?
Depends if you run VV or MA
Some people have MA simming higher
tawny geyser
Alright thanks.
What's this with Crests? No more cap?
red schooner
No more cap
waxen oyster
mainly a single target choice tho
fatebound chad?
golden loom
hell no
pure moth
Do yall like using the hybrid m+ build using KB?
Alot use bleed build
But whatever you play works.
molten willow
is it because its more manageable
hasty acorn
Hello fellas, I would like to do pvp with assa rogue. Where can I find talents for that? I'm new with the spec btw
hasty acorn
thanks!
quasi hill
Hey folks, I need a sanity check for m+. Playing bleed build on, +14ish
Trash opener: am I supposed to spam garrote and rupture until carnage falls off or everything has both dots - assist with fan of knifes if I lack cps. Then crimson tempest, blow deathmark and trinket on prio target, blast envenom/fok/muti(for spatter).
Did I got this right ?
Do you guys redot if ruptures/garrotes fall off in longer trash fights? Found my self using vanish for it to get carnage up for easier spread.
runic hinge
I’d get ct up a bit sooner. It does big damage and yeah. Use vanish to refit
winged sun
<@1172550924519080006> did you check the pins
Yea i did, it might make some 21s abit easier with the stamina boost ig
Looks useless
midnight mist
ye
dapper cradle
100% they will buff it
winged sun
If they buff it 2-3% might make 21s easy
golden loom
I hope it gets buffed but also hope it doesnt get to a point where we use it as long as we did circlet..
dapper cradle
They want people to do their slop content and grind it out
sharp viper
I’ll grind you out and slop on your content
sharp viper
broken weapon dude
next up on the build list for m+ is no dagger assa, you just fok and ambush for builders 
runic ridge
dumb question, but what poisons are in use these days.... it seems a little different from S1
sharp viper
always deadly poison, atrophic/numbing for utility, if you have dragon tempered blades you additionally use atrophic and crippling poison. wound poison has a very niche use case for pvp and last trash pack in cinderbrew
normal mist
dumb question, but what poisons are in use these days.... it seems a little diff...
!poison
prisma monolithBOT
You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:
Lethals:
- Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
Non-Lethals: - Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB
Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used
runic ridge
Noticed that kingsbane has been dropped form M+ builds too
normal mist
it still is a thing for prio dmg builds
sharp viper
!bleed
prisma monolithBOT
Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:
- If you have to ask, you should play bleed
- If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed
Some general concepts as to why people play different things:
- Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
- Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
- Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
- Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
runic ridge
well on wowhead
normal mist
Bleed is the easiest build without KB that we recommend using up until high 17's/18s
runic ridge
ah, so bleed vs poisons
i forogt about all the help commands, i will read up on those and pins
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
shy axle
i guess you just splatter the techs on gally and not focus them?
waxen oyster
broken weapon dude
it has 2 procs doesnt it
spice surge
i guess you just splatter the techs on gally and not focus them?
Yes, there is no situation in the current raid where you would swap target for anything but a rupture for energy
Or well, guess when you swap sides on carnage
jaunty warren
always deadly poison, atrophic/numbing for utility, if you have dragon tempered ...
Which trash pack on which side ? I had not noticed any trash healing that much in cinderbrew ?
normal mist
It's super niche and you might not even care about that
and its literally the last trash pack iirc
b4 the last boss
sharp viper
Which trash pack on which side ? I had not noticed any trash healing that much i...
the yes-men before last boss, but your group needs to be aware and everybody needs to do big aoe
winged sun
@midnight mist priest fade is stronger than stealth against eye mobs
lmao
kira route is insane, they reached duo boss with 37% at sub 5 mins
wipe tho thats why 7 min
waxen oyster
no idea, was in raid on DH <:wagmi:1098996097201995908>
molten gold
midnight mist
<@352916297262301194> priest fade is stronger than stealth against eye mobs
priest fade is kinda infinite as far as i know
broken thicket
!shiv
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
runic basin
do you guys sim dungeons slice or 5 targets 40 sec or something
normal mist
Dslice for m+
glass grotto
Can melee classes get the gallywix mythic lazer frontal on them?
rose inlet
Yeah everyone can iirc
spice surge
Nop
Probably goes on melee if you dont have ranged players, but it definitely does not target melee
glass grotto
Gotcha
lethal lynx
how much better is heroic Jastor Diamond over a myth 85-Year Tenure Ring?
I could sim it ig but my gear is all sorts of scuffed stats wise since I'm not geared yet
normal mist
Unless you want feelscraft answers, sim is probably your best answer
waxen oyster
For most people jastor is always going to be one of your 2 slots
the other being myth/crafted ring or circlet
lethal lynx
Unless you want feelscraft answers, sim is probably your best answer
feelcraft is fine, mainly looking for an excuse to spend my 2 dinars on trinkets
isn't jastor only good if you can maintain combat?
main bridge
you might be thinking of eye of kezan
waxen oyster
signet good
lethal lynx
do y'all macro signet to deathmark or use it on cd since it's not 2min?
normal mist
macro
lethal lynx
waxen oyster
both get macroed
lethal lynx
I'm getting everything backwards today
waxen oyster
do your delve map every week
hero energy drink or mechanocore are super strong
Idk if they buffed it but i got map first bountiful sidestreet
on like multiple chars 2 weeks in a row
normal mist
this is really good yeah
waxen oyster
Idk if they buffed map rates
because getting it first delve on 4 chars
2 weeks in a row
cant be just luck
also getting warbound champ gear from them
spare kayak
!wa
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runic hinge
signet and pacemaker at myth were both bigger increases than jastor for me
runic basin
fkn circlet...will never drop it..
keen spruce
sir can you turn down your brightness
runic basin
its OLED im sorry
main bridge
do you have empty sockets?
runic basin
just for sims
main bridge
runic basin
i get the rings 2 min ago
main bridge
oh okay
runic basin
after differnt mdt sims...still circlet 
worn geyser
@spice surge really sorry for ping but read ur note on profile, do you happen to record your povs and have a gally one? i usually steal your lorrigs but just was interested in seeing pov since u can get a ton more broad info faster than diving thru log
spice surge
Not really no, but its mostly just send on CD
Except making sure you have it up at 7 mins when the adds spawn for maxx padd
(obviously dont send kingsbane 2 seconds before he does supression)
worn geyser
yee thats what it seemed, your cd usage always makes sense to me which is why i take your lorrigs, but thats okay i can look thru the replay system for positioning related stuff
spice surge
Im not particularly fond of ultra paddmaxxing on adds
Like the current top sub logs hold cds until first adds, which feels demonic
worn geyser
our enh shaman i think must have seen that log
its kinda cringe doing that stuff but i dont mind holding them a bit for the 2x tech spawn ig which is what alot of logs do : edit ty eleem !
restive glade
god DAMN brother u must hate seeing contrast
restive glade
after differnt mdt sims...still circlet <a:ICANT:969218093052207124>
same - fucking pain man
royal lantern
god DAMN brother u must hate seeing contrast
runic basin
its OLED boys 
restive glade
i have oled too boss man, not flashbanging myself you can adjust contrast
unless u are big fan of hdr
thorn thorn
runic basin
hate you guys...
restive glade
which monitor u got
main bridge
probably a CRT from 1974 befcause you take pictures of a monitor with your phone
bitter gale
whats best way to sim for m+?
spice surge
Dslice typically
restive glade
can I get some critique on my oab kill? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vakwy9dH27DjhVfJ?fight=27&type=casts&view=timeline&source=15
some things I know -
*kb wasn't always on cd, delayed like 10s - kinda fucking up missing mayb one additional kb in kill
*didnt rupture snipe as much as I could have
*died last 20s
*did some funky target swapping when tank wasn't pulling oab on top ads which shafted deathstalker stacks a bit
got 20 parse but felt like a 40 idk just looking to see if there's anything else I should focus on
lunar pond
idk why i looks like that when i use snipping tool
Snipping tool > settings > hdr screenshot color corrector set to “on”
main bridge
dang thanks! i have that issue too and i never knew why
spice surge
can I get some critique on my oab kill? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vak...
!fok
prisma monolithBOT
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
spice surge
Should not be using fok much, if at all on a fight like bandit
runic basin
Snipping tool > settings > hdr screenshot color corrector set to “on”
oh lord thank you
lunar pond
I kept getting bullied by guild on my vault screenshots and went looking for a fix
restive glade
!fok
yea sometimes I'm moving and out of melee so panic fok but need to have better way remembering/not pressing
still steppe
!fok
prisma monolithBOT
Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
runic hinge
becoming quite handy
Handy? 
keen spruce
Handy? <:peepoBlushHands:1124758907986911272>
pliant remnant
sir
keen spruce
RIP Cloris Leachman 
sharp viper
Mugzee 0.0% wipe 
sharp viper
https://www.twitch.tv/ryandavies19977/clip/NiceBumblingRedpandaStinkyCheese-1O4CBuUoa9f8c3hB there's even a clip of it
sharp viper
I should have crit harder 
sharp viper
that popped the mines?
sharp viper
yeah i think that is one of the mechanics to pop it
winged sun
chat hold up
sharp viper
keen spruce
on topic 
sharp viper
assa is off topic
sharp viper
you want #1113805668625944656
hidden bay
is dune awakening game good?
if you have no friends, no
hidden bay
if you have 2-3 people to play with you, yes
winged sun
maybe not 3 max 2 ig
hidden bay
1-2 is fine
winged sun
but idk
hidden bay
do you want to be my friend and we play?
your answer takes too long, i take it back and cry
winged sun
I WAS ALT TABBED MAN
hidden bay
😂
winged sun
i am extremely picky with games
hidden bay
same
sharp viper
not even IGN, your sources are not trustworthy
winged sun
well
top 10 doesn't mean there are good games he didnt mention
sounds like the whole fest is a fiesta
winged sun
also why the fuck is there a black ops 7
like
they add a new cod game every year and add 100 skins
wtf is this dogshit 
atleast let people have their skins in the new game or someshit
main bridge
probably because people keep buying and playing it
winged sun
ngl i lost all my respect to all cod years ago
main bridge
WoW is even worse honestly. they release 20 year old content and people still play it
winged sun
disgusting company.. wait
keen spruce
u buy wow expansions every 2 years 
for the same price
winged sun
WoW is even worse honestly. they release 20 year old content and people still pl...
wow u can keep ur things
imagine losing ur mounts
sharp viper
but u play wow
winged sun
cuz new expansion has new mounts
xdd ?
sure i might buy it but
everytime i just end up disappointed
@hidden bay ngl dune looks abit underwhelming, i heard u need a server too?
red schooner
Nah hosting private servers is great
red schooner
I've not looked into the dune game anyhow, or the recent announcements.
I normally only buy games 3 years after launch in steam sales anyhow
frozen glacier
normal mist
If they don't, you won't need to care about it
its a W
If they do, we need to grind if for 5 weeks
main bridge
it will be buffed until it's busted just like circlet
red schooner
If they do, we need to grind if for 5 weeks
Just when I think I'm safe to raid log they keep ruining it
fallow canopy
<@197687900878405632> <:xla:1283127722180087808>
fallow canopy
Just when I think I'm safe to raid log they keep ruining it
ikr I barely play this game but they know how to tickle my fomo
thorn thorn
<:xla:1283127722180087808>
fallow canopy
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/965458290358235147/1381396293741449371/20...
lmao
bring back the duel bug from early in the season
thorn thorn
I loved waycrest manor simply because of the mindcontrol on the coven
So many frost mages oneshotting their teammates with frost spike
worthy rose
guys
this isnt a strictly rogue or assassination questionr ight
but
would it be better to craft a haste mastery necklace or to craft the 681 pants with dusktrhead lining
i remember the rule of thumb is that mainpieces over accesories
but my hatse is so dogshit low and iirc like 70% of your stats come from necklace and rings
keen spruce
just sim it 
keen spruce
worthy rose
also i only just dinged the day before yesterday
gearing is pretty decently fast these days
keen spruce
wut server is that toon on
worthy rose
frostmourne
my gut feeling is still to craft the pants
but then the necklace is screaming for an upgrade
thats my levelling necklace i got in some heroic or something
keen spruce
yeah but you can get a necklace from anywhere
if you're going to put an embelishment in your legs anyways
then that's a more permenant solution
keen spruce
you could just do both though no?
worthy rose
legs first then necklace
yeah
i got a fucktonne of sparks
i just have to keep farming and grinding stuff out
its insane when i was at 640 ilvl i was doing like 3.5-4mil dps on cinderbrew
was going neck and neck with a sub rogue at 675ilvl
💀
either sub rogues are doodoo or unholy dks are mad op
and fuuuck i aint gonna lie eye of kezan is kind of inting in low level mythics where shit dies too fast and i have to keep ramping
asking tank to just do fatty chainpulls LOL
normal mist
Kezan isnt really good for m+ anyway
worthy rose
been farming floodgate nonstop yesteday
no sign of seaforium
took me 15 runs i think on my rogue before i got a heroic seaforium
normal mist
Desire sensor goes hard
waxen oyster
been farming floodgate nonstop yesteday
get energy drink
keen spruce
so like
the neck would be the biggest upgrade rn
but since you can get a heroic one
just by farming
idk it doesn't rly matter
if you plan on farming out crests and stuff anyways
worthy rose
get energy drink
suspicious energy drink?
waxen oyster
yeah
keen spruce
then you could craft a neck to do more dmg to farm
or just craft the legs and be done with it and you might find a neck while farming crests
kind of all the same
worthy rose
hmmm
keen spruce
that thing doesn't do embelishments
worthy rose
im at 30 crests in inventory atm
keen spruce
the one i pulled
worthy rose
if every 10 gives 16 and every 12 gives 20
keen spruce
but roughly the right numbers
worthy rose
best case i need 270 crests in total coz i need two duskthread linings
pants and bracers or cape prob
keen spruce
oh i also simmed ST 
waxen oyster
bounty map chest gives 20
worthy rose
pants and cape maybe
keen spruce
w/e same same
worthy rose
and necklace
30/270 of the way there
240/20 thats 12 dungeons fuuuck
gonna take me all night
worthy rose
i dont have runed crests either
normal mist
basic craft is like 640 right?
keen spruce
waxen oyster
to the delve mines with you
keen spruce
probably something like that
worthy rose
hmmmm
my original intention was to gear up in full heroic pieces in prep for next season
but i thinkt heres enough time to try get fully myth'd out on this dk
normal mist
probably
normal mist
^
worthy rose
yeah
also holy shit crafting that 2handerw as expenisve
it uses 12 of whatever those alloys
and that was like 10k in itself
fuuuck
worthy rose
how many gilded do 11's give
normal mist
and that was like 10k in itself
i've learned early into DF s1... If you want your weapons done, level an alt with BS
worthy rose
i've learned early into DF s1... If you want your weapons done, level an alt wit...
that i definitely do
waxen oyster
+20 from map chest
that gives a hero piece
also gives you the onetime quest
of do a key and get 15 gilded and runed
hidden bay
@balmy condor are you alive? almost 12h no post from you in here
normal mist
<@167090536602140682> are you alive? almost 12h no post from you in here
chat was super chill today
normal mist
dude gotta rest sometimes
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> are you alive? almost 12h no post from you in here
Ofc I’m alive
worthy rose
i think whispy's mud hutt in orgrimmar collapsed
hes got no internet
look his ghost is talking to us right now
waxen oyster
i mean yeah you can just the bountiful cap per week is nice
keen spruce
Ofc I’m alive
gm king
waxen oyster
considering you can do a t11 in 5 minutes
technically mug/gally on hc give th best crest rate
at 15 gilded+runed a week
normal mist
for the next season
what are those
worthy rose
between rogue/priest/dk i think dk is gonna be the best bet next season
i just cant believe how complex rogue is compared to dk 💀
waxen oyster
dk tanking higher keys is probably trickier
worthy rose
dk unholy is press buttons in the right order and just blast
waxen oyster
because one bad gcd
normal mist
Once you play rogue for so long, other classes start to look easier in comparisson
waxen oyster
=deadge
worthy rose
but in aoe pulls you just spread your ebola
infection and then the ebola spreader
and you do mad millions dps
frost on the other hand
its the literal embodiment of the "random bullshit go!" meme
worthy rose
pog
prot warriors can be insane
nah but never forget
arthas the lich king himself was a frost DK
waxen oyster
the only downside of pwar is
worthy rose
it explains why he was a brainlet in the lore
waxen oyster
you cant yank mobs around
worthy rose
which is mad suboptimal
abomination limb has to be the funniest troll shit ever
theatre of pain
oops the ghost into the boss
wipe the team
LOL
or on cinderbrew
oops a droplet into ipa
wipe the team
waxen oyster
Limb doesnt even do much damage
worthy rose
or you can actually be a team player and do the mechanic properly and pop abom limb
waxen oyster
unless you’re blood then its somewhat ok damage
worthy rose
helps group everything together
waxen oyster
for some reason
worthy rose
abom limb makes a lot of mechanics just braindead easy
you also have a chance to yoink casters in from far away and count as an interrupt
LOL
waxen oyster
dk in general*
worthy rose
like surveyors on floodgate
also i could have sworn ams used to work like cloak of shadows
at last back in cata
now it doesnt
it absorbs like some damage and then disappears
that shits trolled me a couple times
keen spruce
ye if AMS is up when stuff hits u then it will fizzles some things
worthy rose
you can almost just about negate a ghost spawn every time
the ams cd is short enough
like how rogues can negate a ghost from spawning with cloak of shadows
but cloak of skill cd is mad long
waxen oyster
More than dk rn
chilly sluice
yo, wondering where and when do we send garrotes in the no garrote build?
worthy rose
when arthas wasnt even at his peak lich king form
waxen oyster
but low bar
worthy rose
the key to garrote is to garotte your main target
and rupture the rest
mouseover rupture macro will change your life
chilly sluice
ngl if you need to ask that question
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chilly sluice
the newer build that drops talents that buff garrote
worthy rose
realistically
you stil want to play bleed up to 17 and maybe even beyond
you change to hybrid depending on your team comp at 16+
chilly sluice
bringing no garrote build into 12s
well im in 17's so whats the harm in learning before i'm in the 18's
worthy rose
remember its always team comp dependent
bleed build does mad aoe damage as im sure you know
chilly sluice
yeah i get all this
worthy rose
if you have like an arcane mage or hunter on your team that can make up for your lack of single target
just blame them if you cant time keys due to boss
its literally their fault
chilly sluice
i just want to learn the new build and how it functions
waxen oyster
its more of you should know the core of the spec
worthy rose
i havent checked what that build is
waxen oyster
If doing keys where it actually matters
worthy rose
raid build???
youre going mad full single target?
that seems a bit inting
you wont have neough for aoe pulls right
and thats the bulk of mythics
chilly sluice
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hero, thank you
worthy rose
definitely can see it working on higher keys
waxen oyster
so its kind of bad
waxen oyster
outside of high high keys
fresh kelp
hero, thank you
worthy rose
boss doesnt live long enough on lower keys to make full use of that said build
it wont be worth it with the sacrifices you make
waxen oyster
Not even bosses just
worthy rose
i would have a vague guess as to i think
waxen oyster
you’d need beefy minibosses
worthy rose
15-16 keys territory
waxen oyster
to send kbs on
worthy rose
is where bossess tart becoming bottlenekcs
for the key
sub 15 its all trash pulls being the bottleneck
and how you do trash management
worthy rose
probably
waxen oyster
or your group just sucks
Like if your mage is doing 2m on trash
average pug mage experience
worthy rose
fuck me
i swear
almost every arcane mage ive met sucks
they jus tplay it for the fotm meta
waxen oyster
lowkey i think
worthy rose
so many 2mil or less mages
waxen oyster
if vdh wasnt meta
havoc would take assa over in the funnel niche
its just better at it
worthy rose
outlaw is straight up griefing
and 99% of sub players suck
LOL
the amount of times ive griefed my friends playing killing spree
waxen oyster
sub has a whole 3-4 players per season
static glacier
wounded quarry is a superior version
yeah though thankfully cp gen benefits from funnel situations
wounded quary is super overtuned
waxen oyster
and some people who play it when its the best prog spec
worthy rose
get frontalled by a boss while linked to teammate? IM SENDING KILLING SPREE
worthy rose
tanks are in a strange place in tww
or maybe thats just wow in general today
tanks can do actually so much damage
wtf
why doesnt everyone just play tank in pvp
unkillable and you do damage
waxen oyster
bear damage sucks
waxen oyster
i feel like prot warrior is highest dps tank
worthy rose
prot warrior some sort of hunter and shaman healer
worthy rose
my fucking
blood beast
it never pops when i need it to
the amount of times we finish a trash pull
and my blood beast rocks up next to me
waxen oyster
fun fact
worthy rose
you can pop seaforium bombs with dk pet
if you comand them to move over it
very efficient map clearer
worthy rose
30second downtime
not too bad
but again
frost is just
random bullshit go
just press highlighted button
kind of like outlaw gameplay
except the frost gameplay is just follow the highlighted button
waxen oyster
its literally a casino spec
worthy rose
outlaw you have two rotations to keep track of
waxen oyster
you press your hero talent
worthy rose
outlaw is like you do the sinister strike into dispatch rotation as baseline
waxen oyster
then hope it makes your ability light up
worthy rose
then randomly whip out your glock
waxen oyster
to yeet scythes
worthy rose
and hit the enemy with your blicky
may have to play frost next season
i already crafted an unholy weapon
worthy rose
yea it is
i played frost levelling
very nice front loaded damage
no ramp
just blast
static glacier
I didnt craft a wep, was lucky to get mythic rik sword and mast crit axe from vault
worthy rose
frost falls into the same camp as ret and fury war
one of these is not like the others
static glacier
frost prio is more nuanced than ret
static glacier
there are ass rogues
waxen oyster
enhance is pretty entertaining
worthy rose
are enhance still as op as they were last season
static glacier
enhance is what rogue could be if we got over the whole 0 visuals to our spells
worthy rose
unlike dk you just tank it
then death strike
who needs to move for mechanics in keys under 15
not me
just tank it to the face
then death strike
ezclap
waxen oyster
They’re not as op anymore
blizz moved them heavily away from spenders being 90% of their damage
worthy rose
rip
i just remember last season in pvp
enhance would just explode someone
3v3 or 2v2
waxen oyster
primordial storm might just be
worthy rose
watch the enhance just 100-0 some guy
waxen oyster
the biggest burst aoe nuke
on a 30s cd
though the tier bonus buffs a spell
you dont even take in raid builds
make sundering incap targets again ty
even on resets
worthy rose
all i remember is how much grief potential shamans had in wotlk
naxxramas being high up in the air
you can blast people out of the dungeon if they were summoning
waxen oyster
well every spec has thunderstorm now
worthy rose
good old alliance v horde toxicity
sadly we cant do that shit anymore
nerub ar and liberation of undermine arent really up in the sky
waxen oyster
its just a choice node if you want to make thunderstorm a knock up
or punt back farther
worthy rose
where would you blast people into
waxen oyster
generally you take knockup in pve
shaman has way more utility nodes in their general tree than rogue though
sullen mural
Was really cool when my shaman thought he only has knockup talent
and knocked all the adds away on brood prog
did not tilt me on try number 100
worthy rose
the pugstomper
are you guys excited
for fucking
the darkness from dfc to be a raidboss
viral linden
Zee's thug hotline worth a shit?
worthy rose
99% sure its gona be a pugstomper
nobody uses zees thug hotline
dont think its optimal
what spec are you playing
assassination?
viral linden
Indeed
worthy rose
you want hoc/signet and seaforium/kezan
kezan mostly for raiding tho
hoc and signet are esesntially the same thing
sullen mural
Its ait for outlaw yea
sullen mural
real memers use the whistle for outlaw tho
worthy rose
i cant play outlaw to save my life
i got a mythic mainhand fist wep
and i still cant play for shit
how does one outlaw
are substats important?
worthy rose
maybe im doing it wrong by using asassination gear for outlaw
coz outlaw needs vers and haste right
sullen mural
Yeah u want haste
worthy rose
im purely crit mastery
sullen mural
U want a certain amount of haste depending on build
sullen mural
Cuz u get lower gcd depending on haste with AR
waxen oyster
you need 20% haste for outlaw else your gcd is too long
waxen oyster
and mastery is just bad
sullen mural
and mastery is just bad
Debatable
worthy rose
too much hassle to recraft gear to the right substats
sullen mural
high key outlaw uses HOC
worthy rose
i think with a fucktonne of mastery you want a big pp damage offhand right
coz the mastery is to have an offhand swing or something
or was it a mainhand swing
it was ane xtra swing of some weapon
worthy rose
high key outlaw uses HOC
hoc and geargrinder keys prob
worthy rose
based
oh well assassination is good enough for the keys imdoing
if i get one shot by a mechanic i just blame my healer frined
not enough healing
sullen mural
I mean yeah assa is slightly better than outlaw rn i think
cunning ruin
Assa needs a st buff
waxen oyster
lolno
worthy rose
sin single target is insane
you just have to talent into it
you either go all in single target or you go all in aoe
shame you cant do both
waxen oyster
It’s honestly fine on st
viscid spear
Another one 
sullen mural
Its not if you dont talent into it
waxen oyster
still do like 1.8 on a pure st boss
sullen mural
like if u run pure bleed ur ass is not doing st
waxen oyster
its enough to do bosses where you dont have extra targets to fluff up ct damage on the boss
sullen mural
I mean yeah u can easily do midish range keys with bleed for sure
u do have to go st for higher after tho
waxen oyster
yeah like 18/19s or higher
sullen mural
no?
waxen oyster
mugzee is a very good sin boss
worthy rose
sounds like skill issue
waxen oyster
oab well depends how much you can pad on booty
sullen mural
assa is actually bottom half on mugzee
same for gally
especially this late cuz all the adds ust insta die
so u dont pad with spatter
waxen oyster
you jump like 5-6 places on the execute dm set
sullen mural
Yeah mugzee i was looking at outlaw that was on me we are actually midtier for it
but gally we are not it
adds just insta rip
no spatter pad
Bandit we are pgood
sullen mural
Yup
worthy rose
ok guys
waxen oyster
is massive
worthy rose
what ilvl should i stop farming for my DK
sullen mural
I mean every classes dmg is killtime specific
worthy rose
is 675 or so ilvl enough for next season
sullen mural
Either way no reason to bitch since im no longer rogue in s3 
sullen mural
Prog always feels bad before u prog last % of the fight
cuz ur just chillin waiting for execute
and are hugging bottom of the meter
sullen mural
Its aoe still suffering from heroic week nerub
im saying it
This gally guy has to die today or on reset I dont wanna raid when poe1 comes out
thorn thorn
gally assassination isat the bottom
Why is outlaws variance so massive on this chart
worthy rose
yeah
thats what i was thinking
the peak dot of damage is so high
but the average lines are much lower
sullen mural
cuz its rng spec
balmy condor
yeah so
worthy rose
which means the outlaw gods are god tier
sullen mural
not rocket science
balmy condor
I mean
worthy rose
and the avreage outlawer is doodoo
balmy condor
that's not entirely what that means
worthy rose
you either die a hero
sullen mural
Needs a good player + has rng
balmy condor
but yes
worthy rose
or you become a cyka blyat
worthy rose
the fat lines are the average percentiles
thorn thorn
Or is it something else
worthy rose
the skinny lines are the top percentiles
and the dot is peak damage right
the god of gods
the peak
the whispy of outlaw
the zeross of sub
waxen oyster
i mean most specs have heavy rng nowadays
proccing blindside every builder on assa feels
sullen mural
Yeah its just the combination i think
Needs good player, needs perma uptime, needs to highrollish
haughty flicker
thorn thorn
Is rng really gonna cause some people to do 800k instead of 2m+ tho
spice surge
It means that theres a lot of difference between the worst performers of that spec and the best performers, which is moreso tied to the difficulty of the spec rather than than the RNG
thorn thorn
Makes sense
So the thin line is just representation of the spec, fat is the average and dot is the peak then
marble hemlock
psure in this case it just means theres like about 10% of total parses for outlaw that are just basically boosted runs
thorn thorn
Boosted so they can play sin
spice surge
Ye theres not a lot of them
thorn thorn
marble hemlock
outlaw only has ~200 parses total
thorn thorn
Oh so its just a few people drowning the average
marble hemlock
so having like 15 of them be boosted runs, skews the results in the graph
thorn thorn
Neat
fresh kelp
yea so little outlaw parses that the boosted runs don't qualify as outliers
fresh kelp
sullen mural
thorn thorn
Real
waxen oyster
I feel most havoc players i see
thorn thorn
basically, outlaw players are more boosted than any other spec in the game
Even zac???
sullen mural
Funny 
thorn thorn
Being insufferable or unpleasent to deal with?
thorn thorn
Weird way of saying funny 
waxen oyster
Being insufferable or unpleasent to deal with?
what does dropping gamer words count as?
balmy condor
What is that thin bar then
so the thick bar is 25% to 75% parse, with the grey bar in the middle of the thick bar being the median 50% parse
the thin line is 5% on the minimum to 95% on the maximum. The dot on the far right is the absolute maximum
thorn thorn
A peak is like 2.5
balmy condor
95% is 2.7
thorn thorn
I cant read
balmy condor
and the max is 2.9
thorn thorn
Mages
marble hemlock
i stand by my statement that this is irrefutable evidence that outlaw is the most boosted spec, and by extension, outlaw players are the most boosted players.
thorn thorn
Mage players spawn with a 1/3 chance to be completely unlikeable people
marble hemlock
Mage players spawn with a 1/3 chance to be completely unlikeable people
more like 95%
worthy rose
i died right as the fight started coz healer couldnt keep me up
main bridge
this chat rn
sullen mural
Every fire mage wants to be imfiredup so bad instead of just being normal
balmy condor
I'd say for "most rng spec" you can kinda maybe sometimes infer it from the size of the thick bar
like this is aug and unholy
25% on aug is way way worse, but 75% is almost the same
that's just raid rng for the most part
worthy rose
me not caring about heroic raiding
marble hemlock
id still only do that if it has at least 500 parses tho, anything below that is kinda ass as a handful of individual results skew the results too much
worthy rose
me trolling the guild on mythic raiding
thorn thorn
Im surprised aug isnt the spec with the lowest since most people playing the spec play it like they have 2 fingers on each hand
waxen oyster
Who tf is playing aug
balmy condor
id still only do that if it has at least 500 parses tho, anything below that is ...
ye
sullen mural
me not caring about heroic raiding
1 kill on gally? did u insta drop ring or what