assassination

[normal mist]

18 weeks, 2nd trimester @spice spire

[quiet oar]

Quake you need to relax sometimes

[spice spire]

Just make her feel special too. It’s a lot to carry a child and any amount of unease and anxiety multiplies a bit. She’ll eventually get over child jealousy. She just has to remember that she’s also special to you.

Jealousy does happen though, and that’s okay

[spice spire]

Yeah I just spent two weeks sick hello

[keen spruce]

I’m retired

We make bangers

[normal mist]

Ty homie, I guess I need to kiss her even more then, (although I'll be honest, kissing the big belly makes me feel happy)

[keen spruce]

And by we I mean pen

[quiet oar]

Being Sick at home isnt relaxing

[spice spire]

[grim jay]

Ive always found it to be quite relaxing

Ive been sick for 3 days, first time calling in sick for 5 years, and what can I say

Good days

[humble verge]

wait

deltarune released

[quiet oar]

Depends on why you are sick

[grim jay]

Everything thats rather common like flu etc

Shitting your pants wouldnt be relaxing tho

[winged sun]

It moisturises ur ass tho thats for sure

[grim jay]

[winged sun]

Can feel quite comforting for some individuals

[humble verge]

stop shidding ur pants ross

[winged sun]

Hey im not talking about myself

[humble verge]

ok lad

anyways

i heard about some shit about how legacy raids now give more loot?

or is this for another patch

[subtle tundra]

just imagine a footjob rn

[humble verge]

ok varas, chill dawg

[quiet oar]

I Pass on this

[subtle tundra]

ok i can get both of yours

more for me

[flint star]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[humble verge]

depends what footjob you talking about

🤨

[subtle tundra]

the ones with the foot

[quiet oar]

You know which ones

[grim jay]

Disgusting

(no kink shaming tho)

[subtle tundra]

miau

[visual sun]

why is fatebound so ass

[royal lantern]

look at everything about it and tell me how it cant be ass

[maiden thunder]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtlety.

[rain coral]

hey guys do you try to refresh, in the bleed build youre garrotes and rupture as often as possible or try to stick with rupture ?

[zenith elm]

Between signet myth and house of cards heroic which would you choose? 🤔

[rain coral]

also is bleed build dead again?

[red schooner]

Probably myth signet, but just send the Sims. Like if you're proccing crit with signet a bunch then house may be better

[red schooner]

Nah, it's still alive

[rain coral]

heheh

nah i mean according to warcraftlogs only 7% spec on bluid?

[red schooner]

Because people running title level keys are playing a different game to the majority of people playing m+

[subtle tundra]

meta is 90% influenced by streamers and top r.io in m+
that means a build that performs better in low keys wont get represented

bcs people dumb

\

[red schooner]

As moroes says, if you have to ask about builds, just play bleed

[quiet oar]

Bleed is infinite DPS in low keys

and you cant do something wrong

[royal lantern]

tanked a +7 last week

[rain coral]

y iam currently pushing into 16s

[red schooner]

Yeah stick with bleed then

[rain coral]

oke

[red schooner]

People have timed 20s with bleed

[rain coral]

i mean its fun to play

[royal lantern]

assa rogue joins, Character a couple weeks old at best and didnt do keys above +10 on his main

uses the "cleave build" and instant poison

i love archon

[rain coral]

hast shadowmelt from nightelf any benefits over other races in this?

[royal lantern]

not really

[rain coral]

i ve seen many top rogues are either orc/nightelf

cant be just the cometics

[royal lantern]

are you suprised that many people play the "its totally not a human with pointy ears" race lol

racials are a meme

[red schooner]

Once again, they're playing a different game to us where extreme min/max matters

[rain coral]

oke oke

[red schooner]

For the majority of people it's so minor it ain't worth thinking about

[fresh kelp]

shadowmeld has good utility this season iirc, mag orc for dmg nelf for utility if u really care

[red schooner]

Pick whichever one looks cool

[fresh kelp]

doesnt really matter much though

certainly not worth the money to race change unless ur doing big stuff where it matters

[golden loom]

Human goated

[royal lantern]

?? i thought draenei are called goats

[normal mist]

HUMANS ARE THE TMOG GOATS

[golden loom]

Draenei worst of all time

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/change-my-mind-gif-11630051

Btw, real representation of me and my warrior that I've been playing for the last 3 weeks

https://tenor.com/view/i-don’t-want-to-play-with-you-anymore-dont-wanna-play-woody-andy-toystory-gif-11601810263057558835

[spring stream]

RIP Royalstorm

[normal mist]

(still need 34 rating for 3k)

[spring stream]

https://tenor.com/view/one-last-chance-ill-give-you-one-more-try-one-more-opportunity-this-is-your-last-chance-eric-lange-gif-26306724

[quiet oar]

Ahhh

You can read about this issue when you google ROyal Rule 34

[royal lantern]

ill just say it that way

if racial numbers would be importabt

there would be WAY more mechagnomes

instead of literally 0

[haughty flicker]

well

[zenith elm]

I'm at 11500 crit and 18000 mastery so if i'm unlucky i can proc the crit

[haughty flicker]

there would be more mechagnomes but even r1 players arent degen enough to play that shit

diaper baby goes hard though

[fresh kelp]

isnt mechagnome outscaled this season

[haughty flicker]

probablyt

i think maghar just bis

[fresh kelp]

if ur gonna racechange for performance ur not gonna go for 2nd or 3rd best

[haughty flicker]

well it was best at one point

and it still wasnt super common

[fresh kelp]

there were a lot more mechagnomes in s1 when it was bis

[normal mist]

Bis is the friends and laughs you made and had along the way

[fresh kelp]

but ya its also ugly as sin

[haughty flicker]

i think more people who arent actually doing content where its high enough to matter are willing to swap to maghar

than diaper baby

[fresh kelp]

yes

i kinda like maghar ngl

[royal lantern]

another good example was when tauren became avaible and suddenly people went OMG 2% CRIT DMG WTF I HAVE TO PLAY TAUREN even at higher levels

when dwarf has the same thing

[haughty flicker]

some people like the model yeah

[red schooner]

Just send the Sims and go from there is your best bet

[haughty flicker]

im not a huge fan but i get why people like it

[red schooner]

My boy was made as a troll and he'll die as a troll

Meta be damned

[haughty flicker]

my dk was male draenei

actual gigachad

[royal lantern]

or how people said for the entirerty of BfA that blood elf is giga good cus of 1% crit and they play it because of that

when 3 races have 1% crit

[royal lantern]

once you go troll, you never reroll

[red schooner]

preach

[golden loom]

not picking race for looks is wrong!

[zenith elm]

Yeah, just not liking the fact i can sometimes procc crit

[normal mist]

So many right choices

[golden loom]

also please let me use vision of sargeras on non-leather classes....

[haughty flicker]

remove transmog restrictions

kthx

[golden loom]

true!

i wanna use thunderfury outlaw sword on sin..

[spring stream]

priests with tusks of mannoroth mmhhhhhh

[golden loom]

like this sword is so cool...

[zenith elm]

Can we use swords as sin if we remove transmog restrictions?

[normal mist]

The moment I have to press pistol shot and a tiny ass pistol comes out of my pocket and pew pew I lose any respect for outlaw

[normal mist]

Depends on how far they remove those restrictions

[haughty flicker]

idk how i would handle weapons

armor definitely just unlock entirely (probably keeping class tier sets class locked)

[quiet oar]

ROYAL I SAID YOU DONT REVEAL MY NICKNAME ANDD MY TINY PISTOL

[haughty flicker]

but weapons could be weird

[quiet oar]

FFS ROYAL

ill never forgive you that to call me out like that

[haughty flicker]

tiny ass pistol is a good name for a band

[normal mist]

XDDDDDD

[subtle tundra]

fuck my assssssssssssssssssss

[nova aspen]

[thick sigil]

So do we have any rough numbers on how much more dmg we do in execute (sub 35%), in standard raid build?
Since not everything gets buffed

[hidden bay]

https://tenor.com/view/vampire-awake-gif-13648027

[burnt juniper]

ok 🙂

let's go

[royal lantern]

hey get in line

[spice surge]

Almost everything does, so like 25%?

Like its physical mutilate, auto attacks and trinkets/random proc effects that dont benefit

[midnight mist]

hi

[hidden bay]

what about if i give the boss a mean look?

does it hurt him more than usual?

[hollow talon]

Might turn the boss on

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-staring-cat-cat-mr-fresh-fresh-gif-4714710619997780774

[subtle tundra]

helo

[fallow canopy]

and if not the boss maybe someone else iykyk

[rich field]

for M+ - what would be considered the other BiS trinket beside HoC?

[coral ibex]

probably a passive trinket like pacemaker

[spice surge]

Pacemaker usually

Kezan is fine too in some circumstances

But generally any decent passive option is going to be solid

[rich field]

Okay, thank you guys 🙂

[normal mist]

You're welcome homie

[worldly sail]

Homie…

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-homer-dance-gif-23875943

[spice spire]

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1748633464911444.gif

[strange tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-scout-fridge-gif-25777785

[ornate nest]

Any advice on doing 5 masks in visions on assassination rogue?

[sacred schooner]

skip one with extra trash

it is hardest one

[rigid acorn]

thoughts on using both mythic hoc and signet? send signet with deathmark and hoc with kingsbane?

[fast phoenix]

kingsbane isnt that strong

[haughty flicker]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[rigid acorn]

oh thats unfort, my seaforium is only heroic

[fast phoenix]

1 passive 1 on use - no reason to play around a spell that doesnt hit that hard

[idle loom]

if i wanted to run kingsbane for boss dmg in keys what talent would make sense to drop?

[molten willow]

I simmed myself between a 671 junk magnet and a normal lvl upgraded max to 658 House of cards. there is a 20dps difference in my sim but I guess what im wondering is if raidbots is measuring every possible use of house of cards when I run a patchwerk sim for 5 minutes.

[spice surge]

If youre playing bleed kingsbane is less boss damage

You would swap to another set of talents, like cleave

[idle loom]

oh ok cool, ty

[molten willow]

I guess with a sim so close together it would be a matter of preference

[strange tundra]

Robot is speaking straight fax no printer 😤 👏

[molten willow]

so just go magnet?

[rigid acorn]

yeah its between mythic magnet and heroic seaforum for me

[molten willow]

mhmm

which one simmed better for you?

[rigid acorn]

still waiting on sims lol

im assuming seaforum better just cause one less button

but working with what i got

[molten willow]

gotcha

[waxen oyster]

mythic magnet will generally sim higher than hc seaforium

The strongest hero passive trinket is mechanocore.

[hidden bay]

You are the strongest Hero Passive trinket

[waxen oyster]

thanks king

im in a weird spot since didnt do the oab kill and not going back yet

and fuck spending dinar on signet

[molten willow]

where do we get mechanocore again?

[waxen oyster]

delves

[molten willow]

ahhh

[waxen oyster]

Just get lucky with your map

[molten willow]

ty

[waxen oyster]

or just loot a myth pacemaker

[spice spire]

Real

Or dinar it

[waxen oyster]

just loot it natty week 2

What are you doing

[autumn idol]

this

imagine not having mythic signet, pace, eye of kezan, and hoc

like are you even gaming

[spice surge]

Smh my head gaming shaming

[pine cave]

I have a question, does Echoing void work correctly now?

[spice surge]

No,

Its unlikely to change at this point, so just go void ritual and dont think about it

Theyre going away in s3 anyway

[pine cave]

ok thanks

[molten willow]

what about twilight dev?

[spice surge]

It doesnt really matter

[rigid acorn]

surprisingly vexie gear sims about just as high as mythic gally trinket lol @molten willow

[spice surge]

Kezan is only good on long fights

5 min is usually the breakpoint where it starts being alright

So anything below that and its not great, anything above its really strong

[rigid acorn]

gonna do signet + vexie gear for M+ and signet + mugzee trinket for raid

[humble verge]

i forgor to make brownies

[winged sun]

@spice surge

u have crimson tempest WA tracker for empowered?

or anyone

[spice surge]

LE does

Its on her wago page

[winged sun]

@slate crown

ok

[slate crown]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[slate crown]

it's in collection link

[spice spire]

It’s in her collection

Ye

[rigid acorn]

what do you guys sim for patchwerk ? is 2.5 mil good?

[normal mist]

probably

[runic hinge]

Sounds good

[normal mist]

i believe that at 660 i sim 2M

[past bobcat]

Does this replace the standard crimson tempset tracker in the wa pack

[slate crown]

The full pack already has it

I updated the pack to use it directly

[past bobcat]

Ah is there a way to update the packs without changing anything I've removed from it?

[midnight mist]

wasnt that zach guy banned

[hidden bay]

dont think so

i havent found a way

[waxen oyster]

2.6

[normal mist]

...

I'd appreciate you not dodging the filter

[hidden bay]

Too late, i did

i appreciate you appreciating that i dont dodge the filter

[rotund oak]

Humans >>> All

[normal mist]

100%

[waxen oyster]

Human was

3rd highest sim for me.

[rotund oak]

im going above sims here

human female hair >>>>> infinite dps

[waxen oyster]

yeah but then you have weird people that play male

[stuck knoll]

!mute @hidden bay appreciate it while muted, you're not new and you know that word is banned

[waxen oyster]

for reference

[runic hinge]

@grim jay the gap in ST was bigger than i thought, its 9.9% above bleed but bleed is 10.9% ahead in dslice seems like it's just a trade off tbh

[coral ibex]

troll racial not worth simming?

[waxen oyster]

It's farther down

why would you play troll

stinky

[coral ibex]

dey kick real high mon

[rotund oak]

was human,went mechagnome for a change and im about to go back human coz i miss the hair,idk,im love with human female,call me names

[coral ibex]

isn't it like a 5000 haste buff

or is it like 500

[waxen oyster]

Yeah i mean human you have weird people that play human male

[rotund oak]

yeah ik,those kinda

weird ppl

[waxen oyster]

10% haste

[coral ibex]

15% haste

[waxen oyster]

for 12s

[normal mist]

Jokes on you all

i can teleport home... TWICE!

https://tenor.com/view/burning-hell-muahaha-evil-laugh-gif-10739654

[waxen oyster]

human is ok

[runic hinge]

which mog did you post that i loved

[waxen oyster]

i'd rather have stoneform though

[runic hinge]

maybe i just go search

[normal mist]

i posted so many i forgot. Just search for image from me in this channel

[royal lantern]

human racial is a paladin deffensive buff

bubble hearth 2x

[waxen oyster]

w0t

oh right

If i see male human ret

i just assume 40+ y.o boomer

[runic hinge]

it was this one

[normal mist]

oh :3

[red schooner]

because good taste

[haughty flicker]

absolutely terrible taste

but i respect anyone who plays what they enjoy

[red schooner]

Consider the following: Incorrect.

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-wrong-oscar-the-grouch-ding-dong-gif-25943635

[red schooner]

Just consider it. For a little bit.

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-i-don't-i-don't-think-i-will-i-don't-think-captain-america-gif-2434807450742718320

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/trolls-band-together-trolls-3-vacay-island-branch-gif-4435410412105403362

[runic hinge]

nice, had enough tokens

[flint star]

Any way I can escape Mug'zee prisons without being void elf?

[normal mist]

afaik no

[waxen oyster]

at least not undead

[waxen oyster]

dont go in

cant be trapped if you never go in

if you get gaol on you just pretend your game froze

when you wipe

[haughty flicker]

real

[flint star]

I got targeted 3 times in a row tho

[haughty flicker]

pay the priest to grip you

[waxen oyster]

idk

thats a wipe angle

[graceful mortar]

Had the same question, my RL says i can get out and "just do it" but i have no idea how

[royal lantern]

you cant

lol

[haughty flicker]

for a while the raid leader discord had a pin saying you could shadowstep out of it but when zac asked for proof they said nothing and deleted it

lol

[royal lantern]

typical rogue interaction tbh

ROGUE CAN DO X THING!!!!->statement made by people that dont play rogue and just make stuff up

[haughty flicker]

you can grapple out of it tho if you sell your soul and play outlaw

[waxen oyster]

There is a comical amount of misinformation

on the RLE

[sonic pagoda]

easiest way out just stand in frontal

[coral ibex]

stand in the gaol circle and then just shadowstep out before it drops

"oops"

[fallow canopy]

Non velf plebs

[graceful mortar]

Dratnos says in his video for mythic Mug'zee that rogues can, and his word is truth

[graceful mortar]

3 min cd tho 😦

[fallow canopy]

Just get targeted once lmao skill diff

[haughty flicker]

it might theoretically be possible to shadowstep it, but the timing would be insanely tight

[spice surge]

Its technically possible but its so unreliable its not worth it

[haughty flicker]

compared to any other ability

[haughty flicker]

i assume you'd have to be in the air as the walls drop

[spice surge]

Theres no way of doing it consistently

[haughty flicker]

which is like

[spice surge]

Yes

[haughty flicker]

basically impossible to do consistently

ye

me when i shadowstep early and drop the gaol directly on the boss

grapple/grip/rescue all actually doable though since they have travel time

[waxen oyster]

Dratnos just lives on misinformation

swear half the shit he says is just wrong

perma

[brave comet]

my team's lust is 3:30, what can i do to maximize my damage here in terms of cooldowns on myth mugzee?

[haughty flicker]

well technically correct is the best kind of correct

so dr atnos has my vote

[waxen oyster]

You don't

[magic meadow]

Is it me or does the assa have almost no self-healing except for the bottle?

[south token]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[waxen oyster]

leech

You have 12% leech

[magic meadow]

serious answer

[waxen oyster]

its not insignificant tbh

It IS a serious answer

[graceful mortar]

Race swap Dracthyr - double jump + shadowstep = success

[spice surge]

Its not 12%, its 7.2% from leeching poison

[waxen oyster]

Yeah but who doesnt run leeching poison

[runic hinge]

they nerfed it

[magic meadow]

but where can I get the leech?

[spice surge]

Leeching poison

Gives 7.2% for assa

[waxen oyster]

I mean vial is a very strong self heal

for how short its cd is

[magic meadow]

in my opinion, the assa takes damage too quickly for it to heal properly, so the 7% leech doesn't really help.

[fallow canopy]

Symbols refreshing strawberry smoothie is kinda funny

[waxen oyster]

I realize how greedy i am with healthpots because of it

compared to other classes

[waxen oyster]

in what content

[magic meadow]

vision for example

[sinful fable]

So, just starting gearing out my rogue and only had time to do first dinar quest, so have 3 in total, do I buy Mythic Signet or HC Jastor as my first item? Got 684 mainhand but literally nothing else.

[waxen oyster]

Idk stuff just dies to sudden demise in visions

garrote 1 garrote 2 garrote 3

[magic meadow]

atm i'm 628 and i gearing my rogue assa. But I get hit so hard that it's really difficult to heal.

[waxen oyster]

Why are you doing visions for gear

do delves

spec sub and tricks bran

[fallow canopy]

We just suck at facetanking shit without our defensives

[runic hinge]

do the hallowfall dailies

and the weekly

[waxen oyster]

We are probably the worst melee at facetanking shit

in general

besides enhance

enhance is worse since they dont have stuns

or well cap totem is kinda poop vs one target

compared to kidney

[brave comet]

so i just accept it as is?

[waxen oyster]

Yeah speed strat is not good for assa

you either lust pull or get 3 jail sets

idk

[tall jay]

Any research done on the belt yet lol

[magic meadow]

I think you definitely have to increase the chances of survival with the assa. Make more healing sources or at least also recuperator baseline so that you can get life from slice and dice as well as the vial.

[waxen oyster]

Nah you don't

we're just bad at solo content

just how it is

Not everyone can be havoc dh

[brave comet]

i'm like thinking that maybe its not worth running eye of kazan on this boss with this strat

[waxen oyster]

idk i use pacemaker

[graceful mortar]

i slap pacemaker + signet on mug, works fine

[waxen oyster]

at 628 you should be doing the nightfall event if anything

idk thats really low

[magic meadow]

I agree with you, but cmon you can't tell me that it should stay that way... I also like to do solo content sometimes, so I would expect to get more healing from other sources^^

[waxen oyster]

play outlaw

perma evasion

[magic meadow]

nah i'm not that dude to roll the bones..

[waxen oyster]

I walk up to mobs and put garrotes up

and they just fall over

Rogue defensive kit is fine in group content

So they're not going to change anything

[magic meadow]

well good for group content but solo content must be buffed too

and with the visions i at least have a chance of getting gear with delves rather only through the keys. But if I don't have any more, that's impractical.

[waxen oyster]

you get 4 delve keys a week

+map for a hero piece

[magic meadow]

correct

[waxen oyster]

I know how delves work its too op for gear

[magic meadow]

and if you make visions with a mask and all bosses you get champion gear.

[waxen oyster]

i have characters almost 670 from just delving

Yeah only once a week

[magic meadow]

rly?

[waxen oyster]

per mask yeah

[magic meadow]

.... oh god

[waxen oyster]

think you can buy a hero weapon if you 5 mask?

[magic meadow]

well isnt account wide..

i must do 5 mask with every single character if i want hero gear

[waxen oyster]

i guess, kinda easy though

[magic meadow]

but not with my itemlvl 😄

[waxen oyster]

do delves then

or nightfall event

[runic hinge]

nightfall event, get circlet, do all 4 bountiful delves, run some keys

[last skiff]

Do we switch target for Giga-Juiced Technician on gally mythic?

[waxen oyster]

crafted gear

[runic hinge]

true

sparks are kinda random tho i feel like

[waxen oyster]

I mean do your weekly content for delve keys

and you should get them

get the free enchanted crest from storymode

+the renown one

[magic meadow]

i'm actually wondering why i as a rogue need the keys at all if i have lock picking?🤔

[waxen oyster]

No idea

you get 15 runed per t11 delve

its pretty easy

[cerulean nest]

yo im bissed out but am getting absolutely smacked by autos in 8-mask run

what am I doing wrong

[fallow canopy]

It do be like that

[cerulean nest]

like literally what am I supposed to do at the entrance to the mage area lol

[waxen oyster]

pull less

[simple raft]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[cerulean nest]

with the nonstop inflow of adds yeah

[waxen oyster]

Yeah you kinda just play bleed and kill before evasion runs out

[cerulean nest]

so wait 2 mins between each pack

sick

[deep gyro]

Run elusiveness and pop on cd plus cc.

[fallow canopy]

Its boring af but with sanity loss so low atp its the safest way

[gray raven]

can you provide enchanted gilded crests for others (or an alt)?

[main bridge]

sadly i don't think so

i have almost 1000 gilded crests (and counting) on my main doing nothing

[humble verge]

you guys play the game?

smh

[normal mist]

does that make you a "Sad Muffin"?

[main bridge]

yes

[normal mist]

Mood

[humble verge]

wtf

the new poe expansion looks lit

man

im cumming from the QoL they are adding

wtf

[dapper cradle]

haha oh shit you got a stream?

[humble verge]

https://www.twitch.tv/pathofexile

their official tiwtch channel

they are adding so much good shit

[dapper cradle]

haha nah not poe the other thing

[humble verge]

what other thing

[normal mist]

where do you find these xD

[haughty flicker]

he has millions of them stockpiled

see

[dapper cradle]

uber's got a catalogue

goated

[normal mist]

i really need to know what names each of these have

[humble verge]

im pretty sure if you download them, you get the "name.mp4"

since i do name them myself mostly

i only have 87 unique files in that folder

only.

whipsyr just ignores how i have conquered the #assassination chat

[scarlet orbit]

Gally is dead im free !!

[spice spire]

Grats

[fallow canopy]

gz!

[misty holly]

Does playing with the healer npc help maybe?

[cerulean nest]

havent tried idk

finally got through the mage area literally waiting foir defensives between most packs

[balmy condor]

generally playing with the npc is troll

cause the npc makes all the mobs way harder

[coral ibex]

hey whisp did your guild do the 6 coin hold damage strat for oab on reclear

or did you do the fast strat

[balmy condor]

idk

we did 5 coin on prog

but we had such a big roster swap and we're not looking to reprog

so my officers are deciding

they haven't said which strat

I should ask though

[coral ibex]

oh i thought you already recleared this week

[balmy condor]

good reminder

[balmy condor]

we went vexie -> mug -> gally

and then got back to stix

[humble verge]

has anyone tried the fast strat for mug yet

[coral ibex]

oh word same shit for me

[humble verge]

is it just pushing him down to 40 before the jails?

[coral ibex]

my guild is wondering if its worth to do the fast strat

bc otherwise we'd be omega holding

but no top guilds are doing the fast strat bc they're carrying a sale

so my officers are hesitant

[humble verge]

doenst the seller just die to make stuff easier tho

(i have not done mythic sales)

[balmy condor]

I think we're gonna stick to 5 coins

but idk

they're thinking about doing 4

but we've also gotten 5 ilvl

and corruptions

so idk

it's probably doable

[coral ibex]

can i see your 5 coin log

[simple imp]

well we did the skip and it went fine on progress... also dont know why you shouldnt do it... less to worry about and less damage in last phase...

if you meant fast strat by skipping sec cages

[woeful meteor]

it's about 4 coin bandit

[humble verge]

what the fuck are you talking about

5 coins

[coral ibex]

who types... like this... except... 40 year old boomers...

[humble verge]

you mean 5 add spawns?

[coral ibex]

5 coin sets

[balmy condor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qHbhP1KacDkRmdg7?fight=27&type=damage-done

[humble verge]

when are you killing sprocket

🤨

[balmy condor]

idk probably tonight

I wasn't in on prog and it's first reclear

[humble verge]

first sprocket reclear?

[inland dirge]

we will be watching

[humble verge]

whar

[balmy condor]

okay so scot

in the world of warcraft video game right

[humble verge]

no

[balmy condor]

there's this cool thing you can do

[humble verge]

im going back to nier

fuk u

[balmy condor]

where you EXTEND

[humble verge]

yeah

[balmy condor]

and then you don't kill the previous bosses

[humble verge]

but we had like

idk why but

[dapper cradle]

remember the extenze commercials on tv

[humble verge]

so many sprocket kills before we started extending

actually insane

you can kinda tell when we did it

[balmy condor]

how are the stupidity of your raid my problem

[humble verge]

nono

dw

[balmy condor]

[worn geyser]

we skipped it on our reclear before locking out perma

L

[humble verge]

icl

idk why we did 3 full reclears

before we decided to extend

[waxen oyster]

lowkey

extending usually means a guild is shit at reclear

or loot sucks

or both

[humble verge]

well

loot does kinda suck before oab

atleast for me

idk

[waxen oyster]

yeah exactly

[humble verge]

only good thing is getting tier set

[waxen oyster]

raid loot in general sucks

[humble verge]

i dont even have chest lolle

[waxen oyster]

since m+ is a thing

[runic hinge]

MY MOM

wait she's 60 something

[balmy condor]

does she have a phone number

[runic hinge]

yeah

[fallow canopy]

bandit or mugzee?

[coral ibex]

bandit

but it does look like non-carry runs are pushing at 4

[fallow canopy]

makes sense, mug'zee it is indeed doable with a carry

[drifting cloud]

well mugzee also has speed and speediest strat :d

or well at this point the speed one is considered the normal one

[normal mist]

aight im now a gaymer

[molten willow]

why does the timeline run out?

[balmy condor]

logs suck

does that on basically every timeline

idk why

but it's been bugged forever

[molten willow]

huh that is odd yeah

Whispyr have you ever mained sub or outlaw for an expac or always mained Sin primarily?

[spice spire]

He’s done sub for a tier or two

[dapper cradle]

gymrat zach

welcome back king

[molten willow]

Ayo we good ye I aint want no problems , communication misunderstanding on my end

[dapper cradle]

[spice spire]

Don’t respect him. Somnius deserves all the vitriol

[molten willow]

What in yall's perspective is missing from Sub that would make it giga better

[hollow river]

#1 opp

[molten willow]

I wish backstab was just replaced with Gloomblade

[hollow river]

dance CDR nerf reverted

[molten willow]

oh damn they really nerfed the cdr for it?

[hollow river]

multiple times

[runic hinge]

I wish sub didn’t have cdr at all and just had dance on a fixed cd that gives you 2 charges with blades tbh

[molten willow]

I dont get why Blizzard hates sub so much lol

[hollow river]

the last time they nerfed it, sub had Dust, now Dust was removed and CDR nerf wasn't reverted

[runic hinge]

Two charges with blades. One outside it then two charges with blades again

[dapper cradle]

dance cdr would be cool

[runic hinge]

Sec tech only usable in dance. And maybe get rid of symbols by baking it into dance

[molten willow]

Id be down with thta

[dapper cradle]

you could have a few more dances between your 90 sec windows

[runic hinge]

Cdr specs become uptime specs and it sucks when there’s forced downtime

[molten willow]

and make make backstab gloomblade

With shuriken storm baseline too

[runic hinge]

Yeah. Go all in on the shadowy damage

I think db is cool as well

[molten willow]

db?

doomblade?>

[runic hinge]

Dark brew

[molten willow]

ohh yeh

I enjoyed that build in SL

I think it would be cool if they created a spell where you drive your daggers in infusing the target with dark magic as a giga dot

or maybe not a dot

Probs not the identity of sub

Did you make the Nugbar addon?

[runic hinge]

No

They could do some cool stuff with sub and make it more approachable but I don’t know what they get to spend their dev time on

[royal lantern]

on bugged catchup event #8 of a season with a recolored mount and shoulder tmog that doesnt exist for any character that is not fresh msx level ofc

dev time babyyyyy

[runic hinge]

it's wild, idk, i know there's lots of people who consume casual content and will complain there's nothing to do, but I think basically most classes think their talents could use another pass of some sort and some specs are worse off than others but it seems like blizz will stop iterating on those systems in favor of the more casual content

[royal lantern]

its also like

the casual content is just so giga halfassed

it has no meat

just another "fill bar, get veteran gear and champion gear once a week"

for idk how many times now

[coral ibex]

guess we're doing 4 coin sets

gg

[runic hinge]

yeah, more like content churn

[balmy condor]

I think we're playing it safe and just holding

[coral ibex]

i suspect we will pivot to that if 4 coin goes poorly

[royal lantern]

eh, if we managed 4coins

everyone can

cus our dmg is abysall

[quiet oar]

4 Coins set is easy af

imo

[spice spire]

Ur easy af

[somber sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/ajholmes-word-gif-19862097

[sudden brook]

Sub is perfect

[runic hinge]

Maybe!

I think it could be more approachable, it has a lot of moving parts and some jank and some not great talents but I don't hate it

[thorn thorn]

@fallow canopy

@rotund oak

[winged quail]

Unironically if the new event just gave us valorstones it would be 100x more useful than veteran gear vendor no. 7 for gearing alts

[thorn thorn]

And/or crests

[fallow canopy]

[royal lantern]

[thorn thorn]

[thorn thorn]

[sullen mural]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-vs-aliens-bob-bob-my-honest-reaction-bobs-honest-reaction-funny-gif-17779188775390892642

[worthy rose]

congratulations

yoru mount shoul dbe in your mailbox

[slim copper]

on cauldron how long is it between intermissions?

[spice surge]

90s

First happens after 60s

So the second one is after 150s

[thorn thorn]

https://imgur.com/6yTR1eW

[humble verge]

(bruh the fucking cp wa)

[shy creek]

Can you evasion the mines on mug zee

[vagrant brook]

with only evasion you can soak one, but you gotta cloak as well if you want to soak more

[balmy condor]

@hidden bay fucked

stealing my hyena damag

[rotund oak]

[humble verge]

smh, not even purploh

log

[balmy condor]

bro the adds just disappeared in front of my eyes

I got a 95 on sprocket it's fine

[rancid wind]

Better to use a potion with CDs and Lust or with CDs with boss under 30%?

[balmy condor]

under 35%

lust isn't actually all that great

[rancid wind]

thats what I assumed

[worthy rose]

imagine calling it lust

its hero

like heroism

[balmy condor]

okiedokie ally cuck

smh

[fallow canopy]

woah woah

easy there savage tent dweller

[balmy condor]

big words from a guy playing velf for a single boss

[fallow canopy]

been velf all my rogue life mister

[balmy condor]

[fallow canopy]

shit I was portaling the ansurek ring for shits and giggles and even fell off the map

[slim copper]

only hero the alliance know is heroin

[worthy rose]

dont make me hit u over the head with my human racial

every man for himself was OP

[slim copper]

ngl that kultirran racial...

[thorn thorn]

Oh so you live in a mudhut, explains why your net is bad

Unlucky

[thorn thorn]

was

[spice spire]

Ok boomer

[balmy condor]

me AM that orc

me is him

me should call her

[spice spire]

Brother

[inland dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/blade-runner-gif-19054250

release me

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr trying to get a dommy

Horny on main

Crazy

[worthy rose]

bro is an orc

living in straw huts in a city that has no plumbing

no wonder his internet is bad

stormwind superior

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-madge-angry-angy-gif-12433487470922084221

[worthy rose]

shitposting aside tho

fuckin orgrimmar is a mess

[winged sun]

[worthy rose]

i stay alliance purely for the fact i dont need to use org as a secnodary hub city

[humble verge]

ok dawg, i actually topped the meters last stix kill, 4.1 i got idk

[haughty flicker]

ive spent like 10 minutes in org in the last decade

[humble verge]

funny how i actually topped

didnt feel like i did since i had 2 balls

i think atleast

[worthy rose]

wow out of context

[native turret]

Yeah that's gay homie

I approve

[worthy rose]

your name

reminds me of that one meme from the bbc

that girl who interviews people like a meme

"king arthur... he came a lot didnt he?"

[native turret]

Lmao

[worthy rose]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a1w7WrvJg-A

[humble verge]

"let me see your balls", said hector salamanca to the unassuming retail employee of los pollos hermanos

https://youtu.be/btMd7OjTE6I?si=zOo5bOM9ZoHw_omn

[thorn thorn]

"Im super good at sucking"

-A spec expert

[thorn thorn]

Its a real quote

[thorn thorn]

If you dont believe me I can send proof

[thorn thorn]

Also these arent mp4s

You failed me once again

[bronze swan]

What can i do better when running high keys? I feel like im doing something wrong and its breaking my dps.. Please see this log and let me know please, im struggling

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4ybcHDVxjFG6M2kZ?fight=7&type=damage-done&source=481

[thorn thorn]

Play bleed

[bronze swan]

what does that mean

lol

[jaunty sky]

!builds

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[thorn thorn]

Play the bleed build from wowhead

Works better on lower key levels

[bronze swan]

im doing 12s-14s now

are those considered lower?

[thorn thorn]

Thats on the lower end yea

In terms of key pushing

Usually you dont run hybrid until 17s or higher

[devout scarab]

what secondary stats should i put on my everforged stabber?

[gritty laurel]

you'd be perfectly fine not putting in a missive and letting the game decide

but if you really want to try to squeeze out the most of the like 800 secondary, sim it

[rigid acorn]

what helm corruption can i use for both assa and outlaw?

[bronze swan]

just took your advice to go bleed....my aoe went up 7mil higher on dummys....

wild

should i worry about using my tier 4 set in keys or just get the 2 set ?

wasnt sure if its that super different to run 2 or 4 set

[rigid acorn]

echoing void still bugged?

[thorn thorn]

P sure you just send 4pc

Current 4pc

[winged sun]

[timid bramble]

in terms of pulling out of combat mobs?

[winged sun]

This was some real pump almost perma combat so maybe 7m on wowlogs

[timid bramble]

at least they are big boy bricks.

[winged sun]

Tf is a brick

[timid bramble]

bricking the key lol

[winged sun]

Its timed

[worthy rose]

bros timed a 20

hes flexing on us poors

[timid bramble]

holy

[worthy rose]

zeross isnt rank 1 rogue for no reason

[timid bramble]

grats bro thats nuts

[winged sun]

I think im a point behind r1 atm

Kinda slacked alot with brewmaster tank

[dapper cradle]

Zeross is like 1st or 2nd rogue rn

[winged sun]

Now we’re back on our main team

Should gap again

I think

[rigid acorn]

hmmm

[dapper cradle]

(Zac stopped pushing, so ross is back)

[timid bramble]

thanks for repping the Rogues.

[worthy rose]

im still copying my boi chainbleed

[dapper cradle]

[worthy rose]

his build and gear and everything

very based

[winged sun]

We were carrying him ngl

[rigid acorn]

just debating which helm corruption i can pop on for outlaw and assa for raid/m+

[winged sun]

Not him as a player

His spec sucks balls

[worthy rose]

void ritual probably

its ghetto ascendance

[bronze swan]

chainbleeds spec is what made myt numbers shit the bed

apparently its not viable until 17+

also

[winged sun]

What build is he running anyway

[bronze swan]

should i be putting ascendance on my stabber?

wen i make it

[winged sun]

Would be surprised if he has some random shit build ngl

I think everyone’s copying my build in high keys if im not mistaken

[worthy rose]

looks like hybrid

to be fair im a 17 and under key noob

so i just use bleed most of hte time

but when carryig friends and alts

i almsot feel like i need to use hybrid

coz i dont have enough single target damage to carry on bosses

sadge

[gritty laurel]

probably, but the wowhead guide has enchants, embellishments, and the like all laid out

[worthy rose]

i use double dawnthread lining

if you use ascendance use writhing armor banding too

[dusky summit]

is caustic spatter bugged rn?

[thorn thorn]

Bugged how

[coral ibex]

man i love getting literally no cleave on gally bc the adds explode before the boss even starts moving

every single set

[balmy condor]

that's been my guild entire reclear man

[silk sundial]

Just got m gally kill. Yeah same thing, adds died way to fast to cleave with spatter 😦

[slim copper]

can we cloak beam on lick to get to mine

lock*

[fallow canopy]

I'm assigned first kick on the techs never have I cleaved the fucking goons for more than 0.2 scs

[coral ibex]

im considering just max melee + feint on every supression

muh uptime

[velvet sentinel]

can anyone tell me if DR's stack? like If I evasion (with evasion dr from deathstalker hero talent) and feint (with elusiveness), I benefit from both DR's?

[fresh kelp]

I liked cloaking the first one at 1min and feint evasion the next

[worthy rose]

why even take caustic spatter on riad build

the bleeding talent is almost always superior

the same way you blame your team for shit single target damage when you play bleed in mythics

you just gotta blame your team for not kiling ads in raid

[haughty flicker]

real

[coral ibex]

oh you can just feint it

and max melee

and it does like 55-60% of ur hp

kek

MY uptime

[golden loom]

Well so feint with elusiveness isnt 40% + 20%. The 20% elusiveness DR only works on abilities where the 40% DR doesnt kick in

[coral ibex]

yea but if you take a magical aoe

feint + eva will both mit it

.6 * .8

40% from feint and 20% from evasion deathstalker talent

[velvet sentinel]

oo ok, ty

[fallow canopy]

just the whiff I get of those adds plus the adds on p2-3 does like 100 times what IB could've done tho

[worthy rose]

but then it means u arent trying hard enough with IB

[fallow canopy]

need more haste so it ticks 99999% faster

[worthy rose]

exactly

the only appropriate time to stack haste

[coral ibex]

we did not reclear gally

end of the week

lmao

[haughty flicker]

[brave comet]

adds just implode this tier, its really difficult to get any amount of spatter damage in raids

[winged sun]

[static glacier]

we get opportunities to rip juiced dn envenoms post dm on a lot of adds

bandit, mug and gally all have plenty of chances

you hit all the key envenoms on add spawns you'll blast

like sure if there's an ele sham hell bent on sniping aoe they will beat you

[brave comet]

idk you say that, i'm following lorrg CD timers on bandit and the adds get deleted by the group, they dont survive long enough for me to actually do a meaningful amount of spatter damage

and like mugzee, our strategy is really problematic for my dps cause they push lust at 3:00 mins

[golden loom]

I mean thats gonna be a fast kill timer and not having to hold damage

idk why that would be bad for dps

[brave comet]

i would definitely like lust during my DM for example

[golden loom]

I mean yeah but at the same time if you are holding damage for 20-30 seconds before that

you end up losing more damage

you will get a set of cds in execute anyways

[balmy condor]

lust ain't all that great

[brave comet]

what about bandit, on my first kill i had to hold CDs for a bit but now lorrg top parses dont do that anymore

that means i dont get DM/KB when bombs are spawning

i guess should i just pray that they last for longer than 3 seconds

[golden loom]

well like our prog kill we held damage for like 30-40 seconds on bandit as well

[winged sun]

cd usage isn’t as relevant as you think it is on bandit, play well and you’ll parse good

[golden loom]

so just full sending stuff on cds never having to hold will always be big

[winged sun]

Parsing bad = your pressing random shit

[brave comet]

i've been holding my second KB for the first set of the gaol spawns. is that something people do?

[worn geyser]

with my guilds running slow strat it was not worth cause the misalignment of dm/kb made the next cd set lower dps cause more of the cd was during movement grabbing bomb soaks

and most logs i saw didnt do it either

[haughty flicker]

just dont soak

[worn geyser]

[nova kelp]

burn boss, always profess to doing everything you can on the gaol goon (which will be fuck all) then get regulated to sticking to the boss where you should be anyway

[worn geyser]

dont forget to complain the markers are too far apart a few times

[main bridge]

good old weaponized incompetence

[nova kelp]

like that sounds toxic but honestly, even saving shit for the goon and giga blasting you will do fuck all compared to other specs

or just like reroll ww and fucking blast the entire fight

if a goon is living long enough for a sin rogue to do competant damage to it, it's living long enough to cause an issue

[worn geyser]

i thought i was away from my spatter demons on mugzee but they are worse on gally, my tanks tank the adds on the gate and apparently enjoy social distancing the boss from the gate and the adds

[nova kelp]

gally you have to stand yourself next to the adds anyway

[magic meadow]

Is it even possible in Europe to send real suggestions to Blizzard that will be taken into consideration or are you left out?

[nova kelp]

wait wtf am I talking about, mythic isn't the whole hole issue

nvm

I think I spent longer on hero gally than I did mythic...

wth

[worn geyser]

i mean even doing that its legit not close enough for me to have the adds between me and boss/ontop its crazy

[balmy condor]

that's what forums are for yes

[nova kelp]

yeah the whole first phase isn't very nice for us

you catch up after the initial intermission

I'd be like swimming with the fishes until like the last 30%

[worn geyser]

we got them to change to tanking a little bit closer, then someone ate a few blue balls and they thought they got eaten by falling off the edge and they went back

[nova kelp]

then zoom towards the top

[magic meadow]

So the official forum of World of Warcraft is rather the worst way for them to take suggestions and make something out of them.

[balmy condor]

idk why you would think that

blizzard frequently tells people that forums are the way to voice feedback

[nova kelp]

depending on your group composition it might just not be worth the tanks adjusting positioning, if you're the only person who needs to stick to the big man, just like swallow your pride on ph1

[balmy condor]

if they wanted feedback from people in a different place they would like

say that they want it in a different place

so yes

the official forum or World of Warcraft is rather the best way for them

cause that's what they say

and what they want

so go do that

[worn geyser]

i mean i suppose, but i dont think it hurts the tank too bad being 3 yards closer to the edge

[nova kelp]

you're not wrong, but I THIIIIIIIIIINK from my understanding at least the whole positioning factor in that fight is awks

so I just decided to not make a deal of it

[golden loom]

I think his thinking was not KB for going into gaol

but for spattering outside

for re-clear parsing

[nova kelp]

oh well fuck me that's fair

[worn geyser]

i brought it up once to my rl but ye i mean it just sucks kinda, im missing like 300k spatter dps p1 bc of it

[nova kelp]

I still wouldn't bother in my group coz the gaols were miles away from me lol

[grim jay]

Kinda sounds like frustrated "we dont get heard" yapping

[nova kelp]

every time they'd get positioned well we'd "miraculously destroy the goons"

I'd point out why

didn't help

[worn geyser]

too real

[golden loom]

we had great gaol placements

[balmy condor]

ofc it is, but also like

none of our individual opinions matter

[golden loom]

but I didnt hold KB for it cause it was a race against the clock to not lose a cast, but idk how I will play it on sunday during reclear

[balmy condor]

lowkey mine matters the least cause if I give a suggestion they cannot take it

cause that's a fucking PR nightmare

"blizzard caves to wowhead/discord rats"

big no no

[nova kelp]

I'd like to think like this, but I know we're getting stuck on stix and sprocket so idc lol

[static glacier]

i mean they cave to rwf rats no?

[balmy condor]

that's why I try to always say "hey this is an issue that sucks" and not "I wish they did X"

[grim jay]

Thats what people dont get. They think they suggest something somewhere and need to get an answer/result out of it for blizz to read it. Its just like the "me and ALL THE HOMIES AROUND ME have that same opinion, must be everyones opinion."

[golden loom]

I heard one of the Riot designers talk about how even though they had a champ design suggestion area on the forums, the designers were adviced to never go look there cause it could turn into a legal nightmare

[grim jay]

Thats for a different reason

[golden loom]

ye I know

but its kinda funny how it works

[grim jay]

Best approach, company needs to figure out the solution they want

[nova kelp]

look as long as you don't lift actual WHOLE ASSESTS cough bungie cough
you SHOULD be good

[magic meadow]

My experience has rather shown that the EU forums, especially the non-English forums, are reluctantly used by Blizzard. Even when it comes to suggestions. Rather Reddit, US Forum are prioritized. At least that's my feeling.

[grim jay]

Champ suggestions can still be used as a "so thats what people like" estimate tho

[grim jay]

Thats one hell of a feeling

Noone knows what or how much they use any single thing

Except Blizzard.

Which is why them saying the forum is the best way is what matters at the end

[quiet oar]

Hey for its an Issue that you arent here by me, solution would be you snuggle into my bed