assassination

[keen tree]

i guess the quest givers are there

[rotund oak]

its North West

press M and go North West,there is a Mark there

the camp is right around there,its 4-5 quests

[rotund oak]

yes there

good

[keen tree]

ok startrs in 28 mins.. i guess i need to tag mobs though?

picked up like 4 blue ! quests

[rotund oak]

take the quests behind u on the camp and do them,cant remember

its very easy,just follow what they ask

[keen tree]

cool will do thx

[rotund oak]

just prioritize the nightfall event before the dailies

if the event is about to start skip azjkahet dailies

do main event first

[keen tree]

ok - quest just says complete the nighfall scenario

doesnt really say what you have to do

[rotund oak]

yup this is it

its progressive

just stay there and wait

[naive dragon]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[red schooner]

Bandit down, now to pray that mugzee prog is more comfortable

[keen tree]

Gz!

[red schooner]

Every boss kill that we somehow pull off is a miracle

[keen tree]

does the luxthos WA give us everything we need? i know there are customised edits but id rather using a standard one if it is good enough.

[jaunty sky]

i ahte rookery so much

[royal lantern]

do more dmg

??

[keen tree]

oh god - im horde on a 99% alliance server. I guess trade is going to be a bitch

[red schooner]

Okay, mythic mugzee, do I try and persuade my RL to keep me out of the gaols or no

[jaunty sky]

i got baited by knockup and missed my rock

[red schooner]

I expected us to spend far more time fucking about on bandit and now I am fully unprepared

[jaunty sky]

with doing last boss twice

[red schooner]

I still love that our bandit prog team had a ret pally on coins

I don't know how this happened

And it shouldn't have happened

[jaunty sky]

they're ranged wdym

[red schooner]

We have 2 hunters

[keen tree]

when i come out of stealth it takes a few seconds for my actions to reappear - anyone seen this? using native ui .

and can you stop the action bars chaging in stealth in the default ui now?

[red schooner]

Thats normal, usually we just bind things the same in stealth and out of stealth with the exception of ambush

[royal lantern]

most of the big server crafters have automated TOTALLY NOT BOTS for both factions for more sales

and in the worst case, you just make a lvl1 character too ask in tradechat, and then swap characters

or, you know, guild orders and let a guildmate craft it, cus guildorders are cross server and cross faction

[keen tree]

ok i'll do the binding in and out of stealth thing but i was just conerned that it took a while for them to show up

[royal lantern]

i mean, no RL will put a rogue into a set in stone gaol spots lol, you are one of the guys that goes in when they actually have the gaol, but not by themself

only exception is maybe p3 starts with 3 gaols

[red schooner]

ye I assumed so. I just expected us to faceplant against bandit for longer and I did no prep

For I am not a smart person

[royal lantern]

my stealth and normal bar is 100% the same

except that mutilate is ambush inside stealth

[keen tree]

makes sense - thx!

so the bit thats confusing me is that when i come out of stealth it seems to take a few seconds for that ambush to show up as mutilate. There's some kind of lag - is that cos i have a talent that gives me stealth abilities when i first come out of stealth?

[royal lantern]

idk, never used elvui

[keen tree]

im not using elvui

im using native

[royal lantern]

and never had that problem, and others saying they have it

cant really help there

[jaunty sky]

@keen treedo you have subterfuge

[royal lantern]

oh yeha

[keen tree]

yes 2/2

[royal lantern]

subterfuge

[jaunty sky]

read the talent

[royal lantern]

i mean, subterfuge is 6 seconds of stealth

[keen tree]

yup .. feeling stupid now 🙂

lol thx

[royal lantern]

nah

only sweaty NERDS read

feelcraft gameplay is for the real players

[keen tree]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spring prawn]

how does that whisphyr envenom bar work?

[keen tree]

oh! Whispyr incorporates important mob tracking from quazii in his plater.

[dusk fox]

Does anyone know if you can skip to Bandit after Vixie without killing Mug?

[coral ibex]

yes

well you have to have killed oab iirc*

[dusk fox]

Yes we have oab down

but not mug

[coral ibex]

killing oab/mugzee unlocks the skip to that boss afaik

bc my guild had the oab skip during mugzee prog

and we'd run thru the empty room to mugzee

[dusk fox]

But would that be because an extended lockout? Like everything else is dead so that could be a condition for it to unlock.

[coral ibex]

oh yea the quest is to kill mugzee to get the skip

so it was from an extended lockout

[spring prawn]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[humble verge]

we finally locked in on sprocket

surely it will be my only other pink/orange

[lavish wing]

does sprock die under 5 mins?

[humble verge]

we killed him in 4:49 now

[lavish wing]

reclear?

[humble verge]

ja

[lavish wing]

aye

[grim jay]

SAHNEMILCH

[grim jay]

gz

[pale root]

is ambush the only thing that applies deathstalker? i looked at someone's 19 cinderbrew and they only cast ambush 8 times

[coral ibex]

7cp envenom with DN buff

should be the most common way you apply it

and if you dont play bleed build you dont have blindside for ambush procs

[pale root]

do i still need to ambush to get my first mark? or is it just max envenom

[crisp stream]

guys, mythic gally, cannister soak with cloak or evasion since im between tank and healers?

[coral ibex]

p sure you just feint it

[thick forge]

Guys, what stats assa should have on myth raid? how much haste crit etc

[coral ibex]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[cosmic robin]

rn working on +16 keys and my ST sucks with bleed build in certain fights. should i consider using the non-garotte build? How is this build executed?

[coral ibex]

does evasion even do anything for the soak? it doesn't reduce magic damage when you take cheat death right?

[runic hinge]

it does with the deathstalker talents

[coral ibex]

oh right i always forget about that one

oh elusiveness makes evasion gives 20% ALL dr sheesh

me when i read my talents

[potent raven]

DN?

[thick forge]

i see ppl doing so much more envenoms on boss in same time, its the haste thing? cuz haste = energy right?

[normal mist]

No

[thick forge]

Hmm

[normal mist]

What scenario we talking about?

M+, raid?

[thick forge]

raid

One Bandit

[normal mist]

They literally just press envenom more I guess

You don't really feel haste

[thick forge]

Hm ok

[normal mist]

And they might be dry shiving too

[thick forge]

i do dry shggiv

shiv*

[normal mist]

Then check how many envenoms you're doing and how many they are doing and CRIT %

[thick forge]

% crits almost same

but this guy what i compare to have like 30 more envenoms

i snipe my ruptures etc to get energy and always spaming envenoms

[normal mist]

Maybe mutilate crits

idk if theres a way to see how many CP's both generated

[thick forge]

i did 2% more crits on mutilates

[balmy condor]

no, you deserve the dickening

[grim jay]

probably

most likely

but my poor mum

[balmy condor]

it's true, she's very poor

thats why she works the corner

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

I heard she's doing a sale for memorial day

[grim jay]

im getting forced to do m+ and now the dickening on the side

what a day

[spice spire]

Hey

[grim jay]

[subtle tundra]

who did this to you

they will pay

[grim jay]

bilzard

[subtle tundra]

oh nvm youre the one paying

[red schooner]

Throw ruptures out on adds for more energy for more envenom

[thick forge]

i did that

[red schooner]

Okay I'm out of ideas

[thick forge]

:/

[red schooner]

Mugzee doesn't seem too bad so far. Give it a week and I'll hate the boss and everything it stands for probably.

[lethal arrow]

its really not that bad tbh

[red schooner]

We've only done an hour and a half of prog on it but he seems alright

Only got him to 55% mind so its still early days

[lethal arrow]

the only time ur gunna wanna end it is if u get gaols

then u feel like shit and youve never wanted to be void elf more in your life

[red schooner]

I refuse to race change, not worth it

[lethal arrow]

i didnt either

[hidden bay]

@balmy condor stream today

[prime hull]

I'm looking on logs and people aren't even pressing garrote for your deathmark'd target with the cleave build on aoe. They are sending a deathmark with just a rupture and spammign envenoms instead. Is that troll or actually the correct way to play?

[normal mist]

they lose like 3-4% dmg on that dm if i remember Whispyr's maths

let me check

#assassination message

here

[prime hull]

I'm also curious why CT on single target is only a thing on the bleed build and not on the cleave build as well. Both of them take sudden demise improving the bleed damage

i guess you have dashing scoundrel

[balmy condor]

amplifying poison, double poisons, poison bomb

mainly amplifying

[prime hull]

Ah yeah, duh.

[gentle belfry]

I know its months out, but is there any way to tell what the title cutoff roughly might be by end of s2? Like no less than = X?

[coral ibex]

probably no less than 3700

shit it might be 3800 who knows

[balmy condor]

depends how strong the delve belt is tbh

but I would assume like 3750

[spice surge]

Depends on your region too

EU is usually a bit higher than Na

[uneven plume]

us title not going higher than 3700-3750

lfg capped at 17s

belt doesnt buy you a team

[earnest flume]

any news on echoing void being fixed?

[bold nimbus]

I don't think so theres no updates on pinned messages

either hotfix patch or smth

[balmy condor]

will try yes

if ISP allows

[hidden bay]

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/ko-gif-16926230046883295645

[oblique sorrel]

rogue brothers is it worth it to craft a neck and back for

[sudden brook]

Uh, yeah?

[balmy condor]

that's what it says

[oblique sorrel]

i lose out on like 3.3k mastery but gain some crit

[worthy rose]

i mean

[balmy condor]

that's cool

[worthy rose]

do you really need 0.6% dps increase?

if yes then craft

[hidden bay]

yes

[worthy rose]

if no then just wait for welfare ault to possibly give you what you want

[oblique sorrel]

i suck so yea

[hidden bay]

everyone needs 0,6%

if you dont need it

then you suck

i said it

[worthy rose]

no im saying if he needs it right now he can craft it or he can wait

but waiting is purely rngesus dependent

so it sbetter to craft it now

so you have a guaranteed upgrade

[oblique sorrel]

my guild wont be getting mythic bosses killed for the trinkets and stuff so ill max out pretty much there

[hidden bay]

crests are free, just farm em if you need em again

[worthy rose]

the main thing lucky for rogues is that we dont need raid trinkets

hope blizzard keeps it that way knock on wood

signet and seaforium is pretty based

i think last season we also didnt need raid trinkets

[oblique sorrel]

yea im buying signet next

[worthy rose]

skardyn and something else

forgot

yea

is that a heroic house of cards

[oblique sorrel]

yea

[worthy rose]

very based

did you ninja it from someone in your guild in raid or did you dinar it

[oblique sorrel]

vault

[worthy rose]

oh very nice

woudl have been extra based if you ninjad it off someone in your guild as a sin rogue

[oblique sorrel]

no i dont really get anything from raid

i let the other dps have stuff wer eon the buss

[worthy rose]

same

[oblique sorrel]

the struggle buss

[worthy rose]

i just carry my guild as top dps

[oblique sorrel]

yea

it aint right

[worthy rose]

the one demon hunter i gave the heroic house of cards to

proceeds to do tank level dps with it

im so mald

mald and madge

shoudl have just ninjad it off his ass

[oblique sorrel]

i wonder what some of my parses would be if the dps was a bit higher

[humble verge]

thats why i dont give people stuff anymore

(considering i dont even do pugs)

[worthy rose]

aklthough to be fair

[royal lantern]

???

you gave me your ass Yesterday

[worthy rose]

when i play sub i give myself and my team an aneurysm

so i dont really need hoc

[worthy rose]

kinky

[oblique sorrel]

imagin if i really skipped the trash collecting

aight imma go craft that stuff and try it out

[humble verge]

craft what

🤨

[oblique sorrel]

neck and cloak

[humble verge]

ah

[spice spire]

You cheating on me or

[pure moth]

Sounds so..

[meager plank]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[novel star]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[marsh hill]

Hey i'm really new to rogue, what should i spend my dinars on?

i'm thinking of getting a trinket

[balmy condor]

guides have recommendations

[marsh hill]

I havent really looked at any guides

[balmy condor]

highly suggest doing some of that

[hidden bay]

Guides schmuides it’s what I always say

[balmy condor]

we also have #1146207476983812117

for your bird

🐔

[fallow canopy]

only channel i really read

[balmy condor]

#1146207476983812117 message

WOOOOOOO

[worthy rose]

whats your current gear

the trinkets you want is mythic seaforium and mythic signet

or a mythic house of cards

for assassination hoc and signet is basically negligible difference

[fast phoenix]

HoC is nice if you play sub too, so can double dip

[fervent fractal]

do you guys use pure st build for one armed bandit or raid with cleave

[humble condor]

normal spatter build

[balmy condor]

yeh standard caustic on every fight

and then sprocket you swap internal in

[hidden bay]

It’s a lie

On sprocket you go fatebound

[balmy condor]

fatebound

pog

[hidden bay]

[coral ibex]

[hidden bay]

Next reset I’ll play fatebound in entire raid

[fervent fractal]

what is normal caustic build?

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps

st w/ cleave i take it?

[humble verge]

@balmy condor

[worthy rose]

@balmy condor can i get a definitive statement from u

at what point in mythics should i start using consumables

and at what point can i just rawdog the dungeon

like 12+ or 14+

[balmy condor]

you use consumables when you lose keys to timer

they're like 3% dps or something

use it whenever idk

free damage

[worthy rose]

is it only 3%

surely feels more than that

popping tempered pots feels like its a mad boost

[humble verge]

nrly

its just in the moment

[hidden bay]

I see pot is ready, I press pot

[fresh kelp]

more of a question of economics than key level

[coral ibex]

yea like if a key is 25 minutes you pot 4-5 times

rank 2 pots are 30 gold

you literally get that much gold from the box at the end

[fresh kelp]

i personally use rank 2 flasks and dont really pot unless pushing io

then swap to r3 stuff

[coral ibex]

i just use my same DM macro all the time

when i run out of rank 2 pots i just buy 100 more

[wise plume]

I cba to spend the extra 300 gold on r3 pots just for an additional 250 stat

[worthy rose]

silver potions work just fine

silver alchemical chaos and silver tempered pots

what can go wrong

[gray hazel]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[worthy rose]

is there a tricks macro to automatically always direct the tricks to the tank

party grouping these days indicates whos the tank/healer/dps'ers so would a macro exist to target tanks specifically

[coral ibex]

it was just linked

[worthy rose]

thats leftbutton1

what does that even mean

[coral ibex]

it could mean anything

who knows!

[worthy rose]

-_-

[balmy condor]

it means it casts tricks

[coral ibex]

definitely dont click the link

to find out

[willow rover]

Hero Jastor ring (as long as we cant kill myth gallywix) is still always going to be better than any myth track ring due to the effect the ring has?

[balmy condor]

yes

[willow rover]

Thx chief

[worthy rose]

youd most likely be using the circlet from last season plus jastor

or if you craft a 681 ring and jastor

[balmy condor]

jastor + crafted wins for most yeah

[buoyant herald]

but also stam is nice

[strange python]

Is there a way to see the list of !commands?

[fast phoenix]

671 roulette ring and 671 Jastor is what I use

Felt so good getting rid of that cyrce

[balmy condor]

@hidden bay its okay, no kill

[hidden bay]

[willow rover]

Hmm so crafted 681 + hero jastor is the way to go? Thought we were using cyrce/jastor cause wowhead said cyrce was good up to 700 ilvl

[buoyant herald]

wowhead is just whispyr yappin, don't listen

trust in the robot

[balmy condor]

It’s generally on par with a 700 ilvl ring but it’s like a 90% mastery ring and jastors is another mast heavy ring

[winged sun]

Daddy chill

[balmy condor]

So like while it’s on par, reasonably it’s gonna get crunched by a ring with crit or something

But that’s dependent on the rest of your gear kinda

I couldn’t replace my circlet until I crafted like 4 other slots

[winged sun]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-silly-cat-cat-explode-yellow-cat-gif-12654556298327310612

I miss zac’s crazy comments at this time

[willow rover]

Ahh ok got it

[oak eagle]

@balmy condor you kill boss?

[balmy condor]

Nyet

[oak eagle]

lame

tomorrow fs

[balmy condor]

Yuh

[rotund oak]

the fat goblin?

had the impression u cleared the tier

[worthy rose]

dont celebrate too soon

we get a delve belt next week

its the new cyrce circlet

get back to farming

i have 270 gilded crests with nothing to do with them

sadge

[fast phoenix]

Oh I already had the party, soon as the sim gave me the green light of 0.5% upgrade over cryce

Got lucky and it’s all crit with little mastery

[golden loom]

[fast phoenix]

+1 luck

Hehe see what I did there

[runic hinge]

lots more stam tho

[golden loom]

just dont get hit

[drifting charm]

If I have a crafted/hero ring… should I be running circes over 85 year old?

[subtle tundra]

yhes

drive over the elderly

[fast phoenix]

They have an AARP card, you introduce them to asphalt

[novel star]

arterial precision has 5 quintillion yard range suddenly or

im griefing floodgates like crazy rn

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/eN85caNnI91.gif

[fervent fractal]

whats the max amount of poisons you can have applied? I have four currently in the caustic build

[golden loom]

has for a long time

it just chain lightnings to narnia and back

[grizzled lynx]

Hi guys, one new assa player qestion, in pools with more than 5 adds, how i apply bleeds to all mobs?

[novel star]

you do it

[rotund oak]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[rotund oak]

frst one

pretty good

u spread them inside ur IC windows

take a look at the guide,will help

[grizzled lynx]

Ok

I supose that on opener

When u use garrote and the other bleed multiple times

Is it chaning the target?

[red schooner]

It'll apply it to your current target as well as 2 additional targets, it prioritises targets that don't have bleeds for the 2 additional ones

[grizzled lynx]

Ah ok so i take one prio target ambush and use bleeds many times on the same target until they spread on pool?

[rotund oak]

yeah guide explains that

[grizzled lynx]

Thx

[subtle tundra]

type shit

[rotund oak]

u apply ur mark,continue with ur bleeds,go to max scent stacks at least with 5 ruptures,then continue spreading garrotes and bleeds if u can,since its a bleed spec (for more dmg),assuming we are talking for the bleed build

ild take my time to read the entire thing,can understand its big but its very very good and explains everything

[grizzled lynx]

Yes i just wanted to now if i habe to swap main target at opener to apply as many bleeds as i can with garrote and rupture

Thank u guys

[rotund oak]

u r welcome fam

[fervent fractal]

Can you have more than 4 poisons

[rotund oak]

no,max is 4

assuming u are using dragon tempered blades

without DTB is 2 poisons with DTB is 4 poisons

[median roost]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[red cloak]

hey quick question, how much does your offhand matter for damage?

[runic hinge]

Almost none

[red cloak]

cool ill focus on other stuff then

[runic hinge]

Least amount of stats for any slot and doesn’t affect ability damage

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-walter-white-falling-walter-white-sad-hank-death-breaking-bad-gif-11929995292147864802

The arcane mage watching his prio target take a 32M Demise proc and fcuking die within 8 sec of the pull

(He is cooked for the next pull)

[runic hinge]

lmao my buddy is arcane and i did that too him like 10 times tonight lol

[hexed frost]

We engage in a mild amount of toomfoolery

[red schooner]

That's what he gets for being a mage.

[hexed frost]

I'll make fall of dalaran look like a circus once I'm done with briefing all arcane mages

[runic hinge]

true, its like his 4th alt but i hadn't finished my vault keys so i made sure he didnt have fun

[grim jay]

Saaaame yesterday

Also didnt help the other guy was a WW monk

[grizzled lynx]

Is this a good build for a begginer?

[red schooner]

Looks like the bleed build so yeah, that's probably the most beginner friendly m+ spec

[clever sparrow]

guys how you manage to keep playing alone?

[haughty flicker]

[clever sparrow]

when nobody invites you for a high lvl key?

[indigo mulch]

o.O

I mean i don't do super high keys but i def don't have to play alone lol

[clever sparrow]

i dont do super high keys either

but ppl werent even inviting me for 13's

[indigo mulch]

I only do about 12s and 13s and i get invites all the time ;s

[clever sparrow]

whats your IO?

i was stuck on 2973 for about 2 weeks

0 invites

[runic hinge]

Just keep applying

[hollow saddle]

just q with a friend

[runic hinge]

Took me like 45 minutes for my 13’s

[red schooner]

I should probably finish off my 3k at some point, but I'm also in a 10 day long no m+ streak and life is good right now

[clever sparrow]

all of them quit

[red schooner]

Don't need crests, can get my last 2 upgrades from dinars

[clever sparrow]

been doing it 3 hours a day

[red schooner]

All is well

[clever sparrow]

and i managed to get one that the tank bigs first pack and we wipe

[hollow saddle]

force ur lil bro to play healer

[clever sparrow]

no friend

[hollow saddle]

go to fiverr

[ocean elbow]

how hard is it getting into assa or overall just rogue? maining mw as a heal and looking for a melee dps spec i can sink some time into

[hollow saddle]

bleed build is like the most chil dps ever. but its not the best build

If you put up as many ruptures and empowered garrots and keep CT up and use shiv. You pretty much do 90% of the dmg a perfect rotation does.

[clever sparrow]

if its your first melee spec

its HARD

[ocean elbow]

it isnt my first, have played ww, both dk's war and a bit of feral

but rogue seems like a class to play over expansions in comparison to the usual fotm reroll theatrics

[crisp stream]

It's a mindset, nothing is hard.

Needs practise

Practice*

[clever sparrow]

dude you cant say ret pala and rogue have same difficulty

[clever sparrow]

if you play ww you will be fine

i had melee issue

rogue and ww are squishy af

[hollow saddle]

induction build is hard imo x) but i guess its cause i dont practise it. just run my keys for caps which are too low to practise in, or if my friends ask to play but then i cba inting their key.

[grim jay]

Its literally just Hybrid gameplay we did for the last seasons, so nothing special

[ocean elbow]

alright thanks

[crisp stream]

I never said that, you assume things and spit it out here. I said what is hard and easy depends on the mindset. Rogue is not difficult to play is what I meant. Read !

[hollow saddle]

Yeah i'm not sure why my dps is so weak tho. like finnished workshop 17 with 3m overall.

[nova kelp]

rogue is for sure not squishy, neither is ww... what?

they're both wildly tanky for dps

difficulty is for sure dependant on the player, but I'd suggest rogue is probably one of the less INTUATIVE classes in general

and yeah induction is harder than bleed but yeah it's just hybrid, nothing long time rogues aren't used to

[subtle tundra]

well they are squishy in the sense that they dont have anything passive to keep them alive

[orchid pewter]

Compared to dk, rogue is paper

[subtle tundra]

other classes get shields, drs, heals etc that just happen

[gusty mirage]

compared to dk most classes are paper

[subtle tundra]

HI OXI HOW ARE YOU HI OXI

[orchid pewter]

Other classes just have 1mil more hp

[subtle tundra]

HI

[gusty mirage]

hello varas

[orchid pewter]

Or 2 mil

[clever sparrow]

i played dk i wasnt used to cast defensives thats why 😄

[nova kelp]

dk are insanely tanky atm, comparing anything to them is kinda silly in the current day and age
but apart from that rogue are one of the tankiest dps

[subtle tundra]

well thats a skill issue!

[orchid pewter]

Rogue is tanky if you press your shit, but if you have to perma faint you sometimes cry a little bit inside

[nova kelp]

rot damage isn't a non issue for us, that's about it

[clever sparrow]

YES

[gusty mirage]

brother that's a wild ass double negative

[orchid pewter]

Double negatives fry my brain

[gusty mirage]

my brain's extra fried atm too

21 hours awake

about to be up for another 14

[orchid pewter]

Jesus

[gusty mirage]

mistakes were made

[grim jay]

Thats what marriage does to a man

Dw

[gusty mirage]

(I made a cup of coffee at 10pm thinking it was sunday and I had tomorrow off)

[nova kelp]

midnight coffee is the best

[gusty mirage]

not when you have to be at work at 7am

[grim jay]

Why does a 10pm coffee keep you awake tho

[gusty mirage]

because I've reduced my caffeine intake

[orchid pewter]

Why would you even consider a 10pm coffee

[gusty mirage]

instead of enough caffeine to kill a toddler, I now only consume enough to kill an infant

[subtle tundra]

why not, it taste great

[gusty mirage]

tbf I've been working on a case evaluation summary for the last 7 hours

finally got it done

[grim jay]

Literally can go a week without caffeine and it still wouldnt keep me awake at 10m

[orchid pewter]

But it kills your sleep

[grim jay]

Id sleep before it even hits

[subtle tundra]

cap

[gusty mirage]

considering if you consume a lot of caffeine and it can take 9 days for it to clear your system

try 9 days instead of a week BUD

[subtle tundra]

IS THAT THE CASE?

[gusty mirage]

why are you yelling at me

it's 5am

[subtle tundra]

its

a yoke

[grim jay]

A lot as in a lot for most people or a lot as in a lot for my weight

[gusty mirage]

por que no los dos?

but it takes 8-9 days for your adenosine receptors to return to normal levels

[grim jay]

Ich hab keine Ahnung was du da faselst

[nova kelp]

pork wee?

[grim jay]

Alright, thats really bad

I need my booster sometimes tho

So I cant test it out

[gusty mirage]

coward

[subtle tundra]

i wish i test-ed

[gusty mirage]

you're an ed alright

[balmy condor]

he's not ed

he's varas

[gusty mirage]

he's a very special kind tho

plus varas could be romanian for ed

my neighbor's romanian and his name is Edward

[balmy condor]

so edward and not ed

[nova kelp]

man I need a coffee now

[gusty mirage]

he could go by Ed for short

[grim jay]

Idk how people do hard leg days without a pre workout

Certainly couldnt be me

[grim jay]

The real question is if his skin shines weirdly in the sun

[gusty mirage]

?

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/noah-mika-raj-edward-cullen-twilight-gif-26413150

(Edward, character in twilight)

[nova kelp]

leg days in general require external pressure as well as stimulents

[grim jay]

If you ask your doc for stimulants to make your leg strong

It might take unexpected turns

[midnight mist]

Twillight is a banger serie

Fight me

[nova kelp]

Deja_Dotren?

[midnight mist]

I love twillight

I rewatch it all every 2 years

[nova kelp]

zac just wants to get flamed

[grim jay]

Cant, watched it aswell

[nova kelp]

like just do a roast me post

holy shit

[midnight mist]

I love twillight!

Idk why people always hate on it

I know the dialogues are cringe

[grim jay]

Whats your favorite character tho

[midnight mist]

Doesn't matter

[midnight mist]

BELLA UUWU

[nova kelp]

that's a lie

[midnight mist]

No I like the girl that like

Sees in the future

Cool gal

[grim jay]

Alice is the best

[nova kelp]

you're an outlaw nutter, you're clearly team jacob

[midnight mist]

Who tf is team Jacob

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/aro-laughing-volturi-aro-laughing-twilight-aro-laugh-gif-14282240539723921617

I'm about this guy

and his laugh

[midnight mist]

I'm glad you all are twillight enjoyers aswell

[nova kelp]

I like the aussie dude that does all the piss takes on it

https://tenor.com/view/vampires-sucks-edward-running-vampires-sucks-edward-cullen-gif-25392521

[subtle tundra]

romania power we will conquer the world just you wait we have all the plans arranged. most of europe is already full of us

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smile-happy-happy-cat-smile-cat-gif-18259408098481512759

[royal lantern]

wdym arranged

you are at eachothers throat because somebody is born in a Village 400meters away

[rotund oak]

if any of it remains from war

[rotund oak]

btw,pugs are rly fun

have to go IW coz no one has interrupts on their bars

they die in every boss

u end up doing most of the dmg in ur key

and u cant say anything ofc

coz u will be mean

and ofc no thx at all

[subtle tundra]

did you just install wow for the first time?

[rotund oak]

im actually thinking srsly to uninstall it

the community is rly f@kin bad

[subtle tundra]

yes the easier m+ is, the worse weeklies are

[rotund oak]

like yeah

its basicly a disgusting routine,idk

[grim jay]

Its worse in every other game tho

Ngl

Thats why I like bdo

[rotund oak]

priest zones in the key asking ''who's the big D dps here''

672 ret says ''me''

im like ''the nerve''

he ends up taking externals

ive ended twice his overall

ild legit stop queing keys after that

[royal lantern]

i love 682 ret paladins doing 200k more dps then the tank

:3

[subtle tundra]

crank one out before each key

[quiet oar]

I had an Sin with 668

that did 1,8 Million overall

and i was like

YOU CAN DO SOMETHING WRONG ABOUT SIN !?

[static glacier]

here's a funny story, was listing our key with a friend of mine me:"what dps should we get"

him:"take the ret, it's hard to be bad at ret"

ret proceeds to do litterally tank overall with other dps 2xing him

xd

[gusty mirage]

Why are you calling me out like this

[subtle tundra]

cause youre half asleep rn

[gusty mirage]

I just drove 24 miles to work

Fight me

[subtle tundra]

24 miles is

ergh more than me

how long is it

time wise

[gusty mirage]

Full parking lot

[rotund oak]

its jsut ppl filthy fotm rolling

no clue about the game

[grim jay]

But if he did tank dps and the other dps only did twice his damage, how long did the key take?

[subtle tundra]

i have like 25 km drive but takes an hour uwu

[rotund oak]

traffic i guess

[grim jay]

Enough space for your rari

[rotund oak]

coz 25klm is normally like 10-15min

[grim jay]

12km to work and it takes fucking 25 minutes

[subtle tundra]

well going through the whole city during hours people go/leave work yeah!

[rotund oak]

yup makes sense

[static glacier]

tank was on around 2.1

other dps were 4+

was a cinderbrew

[rotund oak]

im doing 35min about 7-8ish klm by foot 😂

disgusting

[static glacier]

highest dps was 4.6

[gusty mirage]

I drive a Volkswagen dog

[static glacier]

(me on my 667 enh)

[rotund oak]

im smashing 10+ ilvls above me in pugs

my ponytatils only 660

[subtle tundra]

better a german car than my fr*nch

[static glacier]

there's a massive difference between dedicated gamers who put in 15-20 hrs a week into wow and randoms I think

[grim jay]

A volkswagen AND a Ferrari? Talk about money

[rotund oak]

BMW>all

[grim jay]

You spelled Audi wrong

[rotund oak]

also VW not so ''car of the ppl'' anymore

[rotund oak]

about the same cars rly

[gusty mirage]

My engine is apparently designed to burn oil

So yeah

About that

[subtle tundra]

it has a negative stigma in romania so nope

[gusty mirage]

Das auto my nuts

[grim jay]

In germany aswell

[subtle tundra]

golf and eating oil 🥳

[rotund oak]

what negative stigma

[gusty mirage]

Audis are garbage

[grim jay]

Audis look better

[gusty mirage]

They’re just dressed up VWs lmao

[grim jay]

Suck my nuts

[gusty mirage]

Hey man, I love Audis

But it is what it is

[grim jay]

If you buy the poor people A series cars

[subtle tundra]

they are commonly driven by a certain type of person who isnt very nice

[gusty mirage]

Nah Audis have power train issues in the US

Like notorious for it

[rotund oak]

dont rly care about looks tbh,but truth is BMW is what brunettes are in my brain,both hot af

cant resist

[red schooner]

If only Audi drivers could actually drive

What a world

[grim jay]

Some are really bad ye

[gusty mirage]

You have an extra word in there

[grim jay]

But same for BMW and merc

[gusty mirage]

All drivers are dogshit

[rotund oak]

drug dealers?

[gusty mirage]

Irrespective of brand lmao

[red schooner]

Some are more dog shit than others

[gusty mirage]

True. The luxury German car drivers do seem more than often dogshit

[grim jay]

BMW drivers are literally the worst overall, followed by amg Mercedes and VW Golf

[subtle tundra]

no? not really a thing here
usually people with low education but doing illegal things

and very very rude humans

[rotund oak]

oh cool

idk how that works in Romania

[grim jay]

Its the same in germany. BMW drivers usually have that stigma

Rude, stupid, cant drive and never use their indicators

(also using the car with their 7 brothers, because they cant afford it alone, but thats the same for merc)

[red schooner]

I just drive a cheap vauxhall, life is okay

[rotund oak]

lol if they dotn use their indicators they shouldnt drive at all

[grim jay]

Exactly

[subtle tundra]

i asked deepseek to explain

[rotund oak]

in all honesty i wouldnt mind even a smart,dont rly care just do the job and im ok

[grim jay]

I'm currently still enjoying my 2018 Audi S5 sportback.

[gusty mirage]

Is this European for turn signals

[grim jay]

Yes

[red schooner]

I'm not a car person, so I don't care for fancy cars.

[gusty mirage]

I got my Volkswagen for 0% interest over 6 years

Seemed like a no brainer

[red schooner]

Just get me something cheap and reliable and I'm happy

[gusty mirage]

[quiet oar]

Couldnt be you, the sin wasnt hot af

[gusty mirage]

[grim jay]

Around here its like 6% or something

I just buy them

[rotund oak]

yeah

and signs

[gusty mirage]

Yeah VW had a special, our usual interest rates for cars are around 6%

[rotund oak]

generally indicators

[gusty mirage]

So I went German for the first time

[subtle tundra]

never go full german

[gusty mirage]

If you’re gonna loan me 34k for free imma take it

[rotund oak]

i just want one for work,always liked to have a nice one if possible though

not a life goal per se but ye

[grim jay]

VW kinda got wonky over the years. I only buy Audis that they worked with Porsche on or used their own tech

Its still good overall tho

[rotund oak]

wise words from a wise varas @quiet oar

[grim jay]

Warum bist du denn jetzt so?

[gusty mirage]

Bless you

[quiet oar]

Verstehe ich jetzt auch nicht

[rotund oak]

hold on need to translate

[grim jay]

You are my blessing

[rotund oak]

Taunting the Shiba Inu's dad to rage on his ppl

(ild write that in german but cant paste from the translator lul)

[rotund oak]

liar

[glass ice]

yo, i came back to assa rogue and in season 1 we took the talent that silences on garrote application from stealth

was the skill tree changed

[subtle tundra]

no

[glass ice]

and we dont take it anymore?

[subtle tundra]

we didnt take it either if we didnt need it

in s1

[glass ice]

okay, i just liked the utility of it and i dont remember what i exchanged it for

[potent raven]

aint that the guy

that guy

[subtle tundra]

depends on your build

[glass ice]

the kingsbane hybrid

[subtle tundra]

unfortunately i cant help you since i dont know this

beyond my current scope

[glass ice]

yeah, i will try to figure it out through old logs

[thick sigil]

Most likely sanguine blades if i recall

[novel star]

u drop 2nd shiv for iw

assuming bleedge build

and its like only 2-3%

ah hybrid

ermmmmm

firstly eww dont play hybrid yuck

jk

in that one it was sang ye

[livid creek]

Sorry i'm a complete nub, and I need something spelled out for me about Energy pooling for upcoming kingsbane window. So in order to Maximize damage output for kingsbane, it would be best for me (if I have low energy, and assuming my garote, rupture and crimson tempest is active on targets) to simply not press anything for 2-4 seconds before kingsbane, to have enough energy for my burst window. Correct?

[novel star]

yes but its also such a small gain it dont really matter

if you not pressing anything means youre fucking up the rest of the prio list and dropping uptime on anything you lose hella

actually wait nvm

youre asking an aoe question

pooling doesnt exist in aoe

bc energy doesnt exist

you just press buttons

[livid creek]

What about in ST then lets say a dungeon boss

If we're assuming all bleeds are active and outside pandemic. Caustic spatter is active

[novel star]

then sure

its a itty bitty gain but you can if you want

[livid creek]

Would you rather continue to mutilate > Envenom instead of pulling?

[novel star]

personally yes

because the gain for pooling for a raw kb is like 0.3%

and i just dont give a fuck

[livid creek]

Hahaha fair enough. I appreciate your insight. Thanks!

[novel star]

good luck goat

[livid creek]

💪

[novel star]

implement every minmax in the game to still do 70% as much damage as any other spec drooling on keyboard

on m+ bosses

i believe in you

[normal mist]

Funny how I also never cared about dry shivving

[novel star]

dry shiv at least feels cool

ill do that bc its free dopamine and makes me press more than the same 2 buttons

kinda like using ctw

[potent raven]

does anyone know how to turn off gcd showing on your class weakaura

so when i press an ability i dont see those loading i.e

nvm got it

[red schooner]

I care because big envenom makes me happy

[subtle tundra]

i care cause its some small optimization you need to think about

[winged sun]

[spare kayak]

Dry shiving sometimes makes me tingle in the pants

[red schooner]

Getting a big dry shiv when there's adds in spatter range?

[winged sun]

?

[spare kayak]

Positive feeling in general

[winged sun]

U know that shiv doesn’t spatter right

I forgot its the most cooked time to talk here

[red schooner]

The big envenom after does

Which is why we dry shiv

[nocturne quail]

He means the shiv empowered darkest night lingering darkness envenom

[winged sun]

[nocturne quail]

Surely

[winged sun]

I think i’ll just go watch a movie instead

[indigo sphinx]

M+ brain

[spare kayak]

Stream when?

[tardy trench]

I dry shiv my gf once she couldn’t walk after

[wide sand]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[red schooner]

But yeah raid caustic build runs arterial, so the shiv hits multiple targets which then boosts spatter, or am I missing something here?

Shiv doesn't increase spatter unless other targets have shiv on them as well, at least that was my understanding from the guide

[golden loom]

Yep that works

[red schooner]

Yeah, thought so. Wouldn't work with single target shiv but for raid build with spatter I run arterial.

[loud hearth]

No Arterial in M+ is what Ross is yapping about

[red schooner]

Yeah who cares about m+

[rotund oak]

Who is ross

[scarlet orbit]

Bob Ross?

[nocturne quail]

Ze Ross

[rotund oak]

[grim jay]

Zerocool had a son with Bob Ross

Its zeross

[loud hearth]

Most famous Assassination Rogue pusher and build innovator

[rotund oak]

one moment brb,need to throw up,too much bs

[royal lantern]

how much mental dmg did you takwe by typing that

[loud hearth]

I've lost it already

[strange python]

hey in M+, if we KB the prio target in aoe pull- and dont have areterial - do we still shiv the prio target?

for the KB

[red schooner]

It still helps kill the prio target quicker so it's probably worth it, not ran hybrid since S1 though

[strange python]

just watched shindigg video and it said we dont really shiv in aoe without areterial

[rotund oak]

i mean if u idolize ppl like that.. Im rly worried about ur health friend,no person should suffer

[loud hearth]

I should have added some emote

[nocturne quail]

Yes

[loud hearth]

This server doesn't have enough Kappas

[strange python]

ok ty

[red schooner]

It's why we have

[grim jay]

Or

[subtle kiln]

[earnest remnant]

it wont spatter the amp from shiv

DN and lingering does tho

[red schooner]

Yeah but with arterial I was under the impression that all targets affected by the shiv would take the increased damage

[spice surge]

They will yes

[earnest remnant]

yes those targets will

[red schooner]

So big dry shiv can still give me the

[earnest remnant]

but the envenom dmg wont be transfered

[red schooner]

Still a fucktonne of damage in one go and I am on record as being a fan of big numbers

[earnest remnant]

and for what its worth all flurry like effects work like this

buff directly on YOU then yes
debuff/buff on target nopers

[late birch]

Quick question, fine to face tank suppression as rogue with just Feint if you're full HP on Gally myth?

[earnest remnant]

eh walk max melee range

then yes

if you stay in close

[loud hearth]

You need to move out a bit. Just not under boss.

[earnest remnant]

you will get clapped

the fall off dmg is insane

[loud hearth]

You can also pop evasion for DR

[red schooner]

But with arterial and for example all targets having shiv on them, it'd be a relatively moot point or am I missing something?

[spice surge]

All targets with shiv on them take the extra damage from shiv yes

[red schooner]

Okay that's what I was thinking.

I am too uncaffeinated for this today

[split veldt]

i cant decide if i want to lose 27k slice to gain 16k patch and a shitload of stamina, since ST in keys is booty with bleed build

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confused-math-gif-26401692

[grim jay]

Just flip a coin

[earnest remnant]

those extra target hit yeah they will, + afaik we dont even dry shiv in AoE unless whispyr changed it, it was more worth to 2x shiv KB but take that with a pinch of salt i dont really keep up to date with Assa anymore

[solar wyvern]

If you're playing bleed build then ST isn't your specialty and you should realistically be playing for overall damage

If you want boss damage with good overall, probably just play hybrid FI

[red schooner]

Sometimes I'll hold it if I know adds are wandering in imminently and it won't result in me missing lingering

[split veldt]

yeah i know, im just trying to justify getting rid of circlet lol

[red schooner]

Though yeah it may be more optimal for the 2x kingsbane, not fully sure on that point. I can get it on vexie though

[earnest remnant]

it just a case of yeah you can dry shiv if you know there wont be adds up for KB ticks, but if there will be then hold it typa deal

[red schooner]

Sometimes I shall forgo optimal play for the big single number. It's why I demisemaxx in m+

[earnest remnant]

respectable honestly

i sometimes do also fall victim to that

[red schooner]

I also don't enjoy m+ but fishing for demise makes me happy

And you take what joy you can get in this world

(I also run the lowest level of m+ I need to get me what I want so like, I don't need to play optimally)

[soft grotto]

Im running Hybrid currently

Feels so smooth for someone new to Rogue in general

Legit just pop garrote 3 times, ruputure, fan of knives, envenom, theyre dead.

[potent raven]

пщввфьт

goddamn it brah

who else spatterin they caustic

[viscid spear]

Isn't Fatebound terrible?

[potent raven]

nah its good

zeross runs it

in +30 keys

its broken

[gusty mirage]

That’s the neat part, all our hero talents are terrible

[potent raven]

goddamn it bro tried the no garrote build in 15 mechagoon

i was so fucking lost

timed it tho

[pure moth]

whats the no garrote build and why are people using it?

[potent raven]

thats up for you to find out bro..

[nocturne quail]

It’s a build that streamer zeross cooked up and it’s basically an old cleave build, does slightly less aoe and unlimited ST

[nocturne quail]

I feel same way about bleed after only playing no garrote for last few weeks

[potent raven]

went into a 16 rookery and whole team wiped to the frontal on 1st pack

kinda crazy

[pure moth]

Gotcha.

[royal lantern]

"unlimited ST"

i swear, m+ andys cant talk like normal people

[iron carbon]

Less Aoe?

[coral ibex]

emplussers aren't people

that's why blizz treats them like 2nd class citizens

that's what they are!

[pure moth]

For real

[coral ibex]

[royal lantern]

its just a somewhat more ST focused build that assa played the last few seasons

[coral ibex]

if you aren't a mythic raid andy you barely count as a MAU

[royal lantern]

bleed is raw aoe blasting, that thing is just "chose a big guy and delete it + cleave bigtime from it"

[nocturne quail]

I’m p sure the zeross no garrote build is brand new

[iron carbon]

I know what the buîd does

It's not less AoE

[nocturne quail]

Other than that it is similar to a raid cleave build from a prior tier

[iron carbon]

If you pull big

[nocturne quail]

Idk I haven’t played bleed in a long time

The thinking used to be that bleed did more aoe

[royal lantern]

i mean, for 99,8% of people it does

you need to play really high keys + have a team where other people dont instant delete your big guy aswell

have fun trying to cleave from something in a +13 or +16 key with a arcane mage in the group

[nocturne quail]

Makes sense to me, even in some 17 I have KB target die p fast

No garrote build more fun too imo

[royal lantern]

eh, kinda like that we have a different playstyle after 3 seasons of "cleave from big guy"

[silent compass]

Is off hand enc important

[royal lantern]

its the same as MH enchant, so yes

[nocturne quail]

I like more buttons, and doing negative ST is not fun to me

So hybrid/no garrote is good

[silent compass]

I was thinking i should get autho or crit since my crits low

Sim said close

[novel star]

whatever makes your heart happy

if the sim is equal

[silent compass]

Thx 🙂

[novel star]

its not a huge deal either way

[royal lantern]

top gear sims

[potent raven]

15 rookery timed

[royal lantern]

if sim number blue = doesnt matter

[potent raven]

with 3,84m overall

[novel star]

gj

[potent raven]

kinda bad but tank didnt pull massive massive

[novel star]

hard to do big dam in rook

[novel star]

just a cringe key

[potent raven]

but the other guys were trolling

feral so low xd

[iron carbon]

That's my fav gameplay tbh

[indigo sphinx]

It is nice to have some options for slightly different gameplay that have strengths in different areas though, and that they are close enough for the overwhelming majority of players that you can just pick whatever you enjoy and vibe

Better than having 1 build and everyone complaining that every talent is dogshit

[royal lantern]

oh man

we do that anyway

[indigo sphinx]

For sure

[quiet oriole]

What's this new no garrote M+ build? I wanna try it.

[pliant remnant]

No, you don't

[winged sun]

This upcoming reset hopefully

[grim jay]

Its not new

Its not no garrote

And if you dont do like 18+ it sucks

[pure moth]

And if you scroll up a tad.. you'll get a "it's up to you to figure out bro".. lol

[quiet oriole]

Haha thanks

[quiet oriole]

[hidden bay]

wheres the NA vaults

[nova aspen]

every1 quit

[viscid spear]

I wish I could quit you

[coral ibex]

maint extended to 1pm

[nova aspen]

[viscid spear]

I'm stuck at work for another 6 hours.
Then it's opening disappointing vaults, running Vision Org for motorcycle parts and Masks, then just sorta get tired of caring.

[thorny fog]

https://tenor.com/view/eric-andre-let-me-wahh-wild-go-gif-13490041

Maintenance when vault is maxed

[hidden bay]

NA beta server

[novel star]

[woven trout]

sv on

[gusty mirage]

Gonna have to wait like 5 hours for my

I’m at work

https://tenor.com/view/piggy-pig-eats-pig-hal-pig-eating-pigwaith-gif-27009053

[restive glade]

i got u

[hidden bay]

very nice

pick the pants

good off-set piece

[novel star]

world

of warcraft

[restive glade]

i can convert to set piece just simming it, dont have myth pants rn would love to get rid of cyrce

[novel star]

[hidden bay]

good belt

but belt is useless

[novel star]

(anything is good i came back 2 weeks ago all my shit is hero track)

[hidden bay]

[gusty mirage]

TIL I’m a belt

[coral ibex]

gonna get a socket