assassination

[winged sun]

[balmy condor]

he does like a 3 second cast for the slam

you bait slam

press w

ambush

and then just follow him over

[winged sun]

https://tenor.com/view/yuh-uh-cat-gif-27323770

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-cat-ghoul-gif-15685393113271845735

[uneven plume]

i see xD

[winged sun]

xD

[dapper cradle]

xD

[runic hinge]

xd

It ain’t that funny

[dapper cradle]

idk I always have a lil giggle to myself

hope ur having a great one tony

[runic hinge]

I’m at work on the worst day of the week

[rotund oak]

Try working 6/7 or 7/7

[restive glade]

wow i jumped up 5 dps places after changing talents ....

[dapper cradle]

why are thursdays so bad?

and what kinda work are ya in

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/kobe-not-satisfied-jobs-finished-gif-18340629

[runic hinge]

Thursday is the day I’m the most tired because it’s been four days and I don’t have the weekend to look forward to yet because tomorrow is also a work day. Friday is better just because the next day is the weekend

[coral ibex]

so true

[runic hinge]

Also generally everyone at work is in a better mood on Friday so that helps

[rotund oak]

imagine working on friday and the weekend

and get paid 1.1k euro

imagine the paradise

imagine that u work for nothing coz money barely enough

now plz continue,thursday is a gr8 day

[runic hinge]

My boss will also give me a no lunch on fridays so I can leave a half hour sooner as well

[dapper cradle]

you can do it king, I know you'll make it to the weekend

it's been raining all fucking week here

three day weekend of sunshine coming up

new bike came in today

[runic hinge]

It’s rained every weekend for 8 weeks now. Monday it’s finally supposed to be nice. Thankful to have it off

[wise plume]

wish it would rain here

[runic hinge]

It was 78 and sunny last Friday while I worked and then it rained an inch and a half on Saturday

[charred mango]

if im simming about 2.5m as assa and I sim sub for like 2.53 or something, is that reliable or are sim comparisons only relevant within the same spec?

[runic hinge]

It’s only relevant for gear in the same spec. Not good for spec comparison

[nimble tartan]

umm chat how come pacemaker is not an upgrade for me... wow...

[runic hinge]

Do you have magnet?

[nimble tartan]

i do..

[runic hinge]

Yeah I think magnet is better on paper but idk if I would ever use it

[sudden brook]

cuz it fucks with ur stats

if ur enchants/rings/crafts arent setup for pacemaker it's not an upgrade sometimes too

[restive glade]

what r other 2 trinkets

[nimble tartan]

oo ok ok ill still buy it next dinar and change my trinkets up cause lord knows i dont wanna keep presin this magnet

[runic hinge]

Real

[nimble tartan]

i have mythic signet and magneto

[coral ibex]

magnet is really good

[rotund oak]

core amplifier is rly good

magnet is meh

[hexed root]

finally

[coral ibex]

idk magnet outsims every other trinket in combination with signet for me

[gloomy heart]

what looks wrong here https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1371341018754056334/1375319287899754589/image.png?ex=68314166&is=682fefe6&hm=86c3f4c290cbb8359657ab6444dfb4957349de3229baf6ed968360d7ce13737d&

[thorn thorn]

Your healer either wasnt kicking or you had a priest

Both big problems tbh

[restive glade]

gz boss

[umbral sierra]

wrong channel

[restive glade]

is there a smarter way to sim my gems

[sudden brook]

always use

[craggy basin]

is there a good WA to track if all my enemies have garrote and rupture from IC minus just looking and double checking all the healthbars? i feel like im casting too many but im always nervous im missing a few during the window

[runic hinge]

Not all enemies need garrote and rupture

[lucid silo]

Yes they do shut it nerd!

[magic ginkgo]

Where is bleed build useful because I see most top m+ players using the hybrid, probably for more necessary prio dmg but is there a sweet spot in key level where bleed build is just better up til?

[wise plume]

bleed is good until you hit +17's

[magic ginkgo]

Okay, appreciate it!

[runic hinge]

U right. I forgor

[indigo epoch]

i read pins, i still dont know which head enchant to run for M+, how shit is twilight dev? does it pull a lot or rarely?

[wise plume]

anything that isnt ritual

or echo

yeah echo

[indigo epoch]

rog. thanks

guess ill just go gushing

fuck it

[wise plume]

for st or m+?

[indigo epoch]

m+, but i dont wanna troll and be pullin shit

[wise plume]

go ritual

[hollow talon]

The lesser ones don't rly do much anyway

Is what I've been hearing

[wise plume]

not really no

[hollow talon]

So what do we get for the next two weeks? Just vision talent tree upgrades

[wise plume]

gated content

[hollow talon]

Since greater is 3 weeks away

[wise plume]

thats what we get

[hollow talon]

Ty blizzard

[sudden brook]

Bleed is better for a majority if players

[wise plume]

cant even re-introduce 6 year old content without it being buggy as all hell

[restive glade]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[sage stag]

how accurate is m+ parses compared to raid parses? i know there is a ton of viables and playstyle is alot different.. im parsing 98-99 in my 14 keys, but my raid parses always been trash

[wise plume]

there's m+ parsing?

[errant swallow]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sage stag]

yes? 😄 warcraft logs, search your character.. then u can change from liberation of Undermine to Mythic+ Season 2

[coral ibex]

last pull gaming

were a 4th quarter guild

[golden loom]

Gzz

[wise plume]

had no clue tbh

[fallow canopy]

grats

[coral ibex]

officially 6/8

(i missed oab kill)

[analog field]

These are not parses, just the points by completing the keys, so key level practically is the parse

Unless you log your runs but not many do it

[rotund oak]

gz man

[grim jay]

They suck really bad

Even worse than raid ilvl parses

Way worse

[lavish geyser]

What is the reason for all this added player power? We got ilvls, we get a waist, and we get a greater head enchant at some point. Just seems like alot, is it cause the season is ending soon?

[buoyant herald]

Why not

Give people a reason to keep playing the mains / at all

[wise plume]

we get a waist?

[runic hinge]

It also lets people keep pushing and kill bosses without just giving aura buffs to every spec

Or nerfs to every boss

[lavish geyser]

Idk cause you need to play a long time to actually be challenged now. Need to pug 18s personally before it is the same. And doesnt it kinda make raid, a joke? I mean mechancis are important, but with the extra dmg dont you just skip hella phases?

[strange python]

Just pisses me off that I have to do keys again after I was already done /s

[hollow talon]

I guess they just want more people to experience mythic and stuff

But for keys I do agree it kind of ruins it people going for title have to keep playing

[lavish geyser]

Fair, i just think it takes away the challenge. And also yeah, just having to run keys back up a couple of levels, to be at the same relative place

[wise plume]

i mean youd have to hit like 3500 for title right?

[coral ibex]

prob more than that bc of turbo boost

[lavish geyser]

3620 for eu

And like 3580 for na

[wise plume]

yea no thanks

i couldnt imagine getting 3600 from pugging

[lavish geyser]

it just came in the middle of my exams as well, which just screwed me. Now its just cathing up :/

and that void event is kinda meh ngl. Just took me a long time, wasnt that interesting

[grim jay]

Saaaaaame. The ilvl increase was really bad for me personally

[manic pebble]

To keep me playing. I was about to quit for this season but now I’m back again

[buoyant herald]

I think that’s the point. Soft nerf to the raid

[lavish geyser]

6 ilvls + 12% dmg and heal buff. What more do we need😭.

[manic pebble]

ikr

I was done with keys pushing but I feel forced to do it again

[lavish geyser]

And running 12s for gear is soo boring. Evrything just dies so fast, never feel i can send cds. So i just play bleed build

[manic pebble]

wait, I thought this was outlaw chat. I’m blinded

[lavish geyser]

12s with outlaw should be chill

[quiet oar]

The Raid is already nerfed

and free

only hard boss is mugzee

[wise plume]

fr, I can never let loose on a big pack, everything just melts

[dawn heath]

Title will be like 3850-3900 this season

[red schooner]

You should see my guild, we need jesus at this point the buffs won't save us

[buoyant herald]

These soft nerfs are not for you then, congrats you don’t need them I guess

[runic hinge]

only hard boss is me, cause im hard, boss

[dawn heath]

Its already 3630 something

[restive glade]

what boss yall at

[dawn heath]

Resiliant keys will heavily inflate io

[quiet oar]

You got 12%, 6 Ilvls, Corruptions, Class Buffs and soontm Belt

It nerfs the Bosses really hard

Because you can skip so much stuff

[restive glade]

ok? whats ur point?

[red schooner]

Bandit ;-: 4% last raid though

So, surely Monday it dies

[restive glade]

fuahhhhh the kill is coming soon fr

[quiet oar]

• Bosses were already nerfed

[quiet oar]

That the raid doesnt need any more nerfs

[restive glade]

14% on sprocket tonight

[quiet oar]

because we still get 6% DMG and Healing

and the Belt

[red schooner]

If you can consistently get to after the second knockback then you're good

Hell with the ilvl boost it may not even be needed

[quiet oar]

We had like 5 Deaths in the wiggle zone, and killed it right after knockback yesterday in reclear

[red schooner]

The wiggle zone was the bane of my guild

[restive glade]

it was 14% right before second lock gate

[quiet oar]

It is for everyone i think

[red schooner]

Second knockback wasn't even the issue, it was the wiggle zone

[quiet oar]

Especially Healer

[red schooner]

I am an experienced adadada spammer

[gloomy heart]

HATE MY LIFE

[red schooner]

So the wiggle zone, no issues

[restive glade]

same brother

[red schooner]

My biggest issue was accidentally hitting jump on the conveyor belt and fucking up my positioning

Had to unbind jump

[restive glade]

busting rotation on conveyor belt w adadad is kinda funny lmao

[red schooner]

That bit was fine, I just play with my right hand on wasd so the repeat tapping of a movement key sometimes led to spacebar hits

[restive glade]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-cat-kitty-leave-disappear-gif-11721306865059226765

on the 14% wipe too 😦

[golden loom]

HUH

[red schooner]

My right hand cannot figure out how to mouse

[restive glade]

thats cursed not gonna ngl

what the fuck do u just not use mouse???????????????????

[golden loom]

I am so confused

[red schooner]

No mouse in left hand

[golden loom]

are you left handed?

[restive glade]

ohhhhh forgot people are left handed

[red schooner]

Left hand mouse right hand wasd

Ye

[golden loom]

ah

[red schooner]

But right hand wasd led to me catching space, mostly because I tend to press space with the side of my hand instead of a thumb, which is annoying when you're on a conveyor belt

[restive glade]

just learned speed is preserved until u land on ground so jump isn't *useless * (was gonna say just unbind kekw)

[red schooner]

I rebound it to 7

[unkempt pilot]

I have some issues understanding the Deathmark
"While marked your Garrote, Rupture, and Lethal poisons applied to the target are duplicated"
Does that duplicate things already applied ?
Since the order is Mark / Shiv / Kingsbane, it felt like i needed to apply it after

Or is it just because Kingsbane is shorter than mark, so to not lose any uptime we use it last ?

[restive glade]

shiv is 8s duration, kb is 15s, dm is 16s
ramping of kb is what makes it do a lot, kb before shivving doesnt allow as much ramp up as losing 1s of kb in dm
so to my knowledge shiv -> kb > kb -> shiv : within the dm window

[haughty flicker]

deathmark effects dots regardless of whether they are applied before or after dm

[runic hinge]

it is dynamic as they say

[haughty flicker]

so in opener you apply dots, apply envenom, then go into dm>shiv>kb

refresh dots as needed and spam envenom

[golden loom]

It also means that Kingsbane gets the benefit of lingering darkness (30% nature damage buff after deathmark ends) for its final tick

[haughty flicker]

i mean no, kb is going to be inside dm for the whole duration unless you're late

[golden loom]

also the inital hit of kingsbane is not irrelevant

so getting the shiv amp on that is nice

[brisk lily]

I played zeross build on top 16, i'ts like very different from the hybrid^^

i mean overall dmg is better (on a top) but complately another gameplay

[keen spruce]

u mfer

[runic hinge]

[keen spruce]

almost got me ngl

[unkempt pilot]

thanks everyone

[runic hinge]

you're welcome big dawg

[normal mist]

No worries homie, happy to help

[quiet oar]

I JUST REALIZED I PLAYED SPATTER ON LOCKENSTOCK YESTERDAY

[feral wasp]

How much does a difference it make? I see small number on other talent

[golden loom]

broken talent!

[rotund oak]

and here i was thinking i was getting old

sup grandpa

[rain coral]

guys where to find at best from the horrific vision?https://www.wowhead.com/de/item=242648/schwarzblutkoagulat#see-also

[worn geyser]

trialing for a new guild on their mugzee prog , gotta take the L so i dont have the rep for being that guy asking for markers to get slightly moved T_T

[still remnant]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[sharp viper]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[west jolt]

is there a !command or source of information I can see about simming for sin? For example if I should be using dungeon slice or 3T or 5T or just patchwerk. Or if there are any advanced paste strings I should be adding

!sim

[worn geyser]

patchwork single target, dungeon slice for mythic plus, i dont think theres a pin but i might be lying

[west jolt]

I just wanna make sure I'm not crazy. Literally my gear is mast/crit, every single piece, and its wanting me to recraft some of my pieces to like haste/mast and haste/vers

[quiet oar]

I had rank 25 Log, couldve been better

[west jolt]

makes sense but just wanna make sure there arent any custom settings or something like that I should input

[worn geyser]

nah nothing custom afaik, haste is pretty good if u have a ton of crit mast already

[runic hinge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[west jolt]

I'm aware, thank you for the wall of text, wasn't really what my question was

[runic hinge]

Do you think the sim is wrong cause it doesn’t want only crit and mastery ?

[west jolt]

Nope never said that

[runic hinge]

Ok

[west jolt]

Dungeon slice is accurate for sin? I know some specs don't support dungeon slice

[runic hinge]

Yes

[west jolt]

ty

[sonic pagoda]

this pin is kind of dog ass lol maybe thats true for raid but for m+ you gonna slide with some vers

[quiet oar]

Are you doing bleeding edge keys?

This Pin is for 99.999% of players correct

[sonic pagoda]

true ture i reckon thats treu

[runic hinge]

No he’s right. I’m gonna regem for verse 💯

[sonic pagoda]

I mean...

dmg usually isnt the issue in end game content pushing

for the plebs that cant even find this disocrd channels....

[worn geyser]

bigger dps number = happier dps, healthbar is a healer mechanic

[runic hinge]

I think if you’re at that point you can figure out if you need more vers or not on your own

[west jolt]

Any work around for this? I'm doing TopGear and selecting each stats option for all my crafted pieces (dagger, neck, boots, wrists) and im hitting the iterations limit which is understandable, however, I fear that if I can't select all the options then I change what it says should be changed based on that sim result, it won't show me the best result because I couldn't select everything. idk if that makes sense, how would you guys do it?

[runic hinge]

If you don’t know what stats are good you can read a bot command in a discord channel

[red schooner]

Isn't there an option for crafted in droptimiser?

Or am I misremembering

[west jolt]

There is, however, I'm also simming other rings and items I have from regular drops

[red schooner]

Ah, not sure then, sorry!

[quiet oar]

@winged sun How much Vers do you ahve in your high keys

[sonic pagoda]

I think he has like 6k or so idk alot of the top rated assa rogue have the vers mast belt vers mast cloak as do i

[worn geyser]

i mean really ur just shifting the stats around between those pieces anyways. in some obscure world where a 4 recraft is sims better for u its probably negligible,

i just do two pieces at a time

[west jolt]

i literally stacked everything mast crit and its showing like a 45k dps increase if I recraft neck and swap a ring lmfao

went way too hard in mast crit

[sonic pagoda]

yeah

that happens

[runic hinge]

I’d just do a few things and resim after

[sonic pagoda]

in single target sims it tells me to use my outlaw haste vers aring with vers gems and enchant ....

[west jolt]

yeah im gonna do that, but holy moly dungeon slice takes forever even with raidbots pro

[sonic pagoda]

in aoe sims it tells me to take all the mastery i can and drop some crit for vers....

[static glacier]

nah, you speak up once and if the goons are dying too fast or dmg on them is enough you don't push the issue further

with how people are now pushing at 3 mins it's probably good to kill goons ASAP to maximise boss damage

[winged sun]

I just sim my char

Cant time some 20s without the dps check

So u have to live with very low vers

Might be fine to run high vers again later idk

People were copying me i think because keys were timeable with high vers but dps matters alot now so

[quiet oar]

@sonic pagoda See

Thanks Zeross

[red schooner]

At least blizzard finally gave sub a buff, no clue if it's enough but at least it's something

[harsh ravine]

I like how the season is balanced, they managed to make that it's both survivability & dps that matters

in the past season we were getting survivability checked way more

[rain coral]

hey when is epic greater corruption available?

[royal lantern]

2 weeks iirc

[rain coral]

what is iirc?

[harsh ravine]

if I remember correctly

[red schooner]

What are you remembering correctly

[harsh ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-staring-meow-meow-asyalittlecat-big-eyes-gif-26404220

[quiet oar]

That man is comedy genius

im respecting that

[red schooner]

It's either I post Garfield in here or I sit in the office and actually do my job

And it's Friday I've mentally checked out for the week now

[quiet oar]

[shy axle]

if you use hoc you macro it to kingsbane because if you macro it to dm it would not cover the last second?

[quiet oar]

Im macroing it to DM

KB isnt as strong as it used to bee

[lavish geyser]

can we remove enrages

[red schooner]

[quiet oar]

Huh

[lavish geyser]

like the one in theatre of pain

[red schooner]

I mentally checked out on Wednesday but I'm still here

[red schooner]

Yeah

Shiv removes enrage

[quiet oar]

Ohhh

He meant like soothing

I thought He meant like enrsge the mechanic

[red schooner]

Waiting on blizz to one day fuck it up and make boss enrages soothable one time

It'd be funny as fuck

[quiet oar]

Rogues would still be use less for that

No worries

[lavish geyser]

had a boomie that told me to insta send shivb

[red schooner]

You tell the Boomie to shut up and press soothe

Them soothing doesn't use a DPS cooldown, just one GCD

[lavish geyser]

well yes, haha he didnt want to. and then he kicked me lol. it was a 15 btw, so easily survivable

[red schooner]

You dodged a bullet

Chickens, I swear.

[golden loom]

I am assigned to soothing on Gallywix

[lavish geyser]

I really did. Even the other team whispered "this boomie"! to me XD

[golden loom]

but it lines up pretty well

[red schooner]

Did you hurt your raid leader?

[golden loom]

no

but it just lines up and theres 2 adds that enrage and aoe shiv good

[glacial slate]

Hey guys, how accurate are tier lists? I see a lot of sin rogues much higher on the m+ leaderboards than a lot of classes that are supposedly better on the m+ icyveins tier list

[cinder steppe]

Tier lists dont matter, only good players do

[royal lantern]

Tierlists are Engagement bait for, sorry to be so direct, dumb people

[cinder steppe]

If you are good with your class you will get higher in IO, just look at zeross

[royal lantern]

i mean, assa is literally #4 or #5 m+ dps rn

lets not act as if its this giga niche pick lol

[glacial slate]

Thanks guys, another question: how do you assess your DPS performance in keys where logs aren't accurate?

[cinder steppe]

If key is timed you did good, if not, check where you could’ve done better

[glacial slate]

Makes sense, keeps it nice and simple 😁

[cinder steppe]

I usually see streams like zeross, or woxtoxic, zac, depends on the spec you playing, and see where they are using cooldowns, if they are holding something depending on the comp they are playing and then translate that to your comps or your key level

That and a matter of getting used to play the same keys over and over will net you better results, sometimes the same key can go different and you can adjust on the fly

[glacial slate]

Thank you for the tips, much appreciated

[spice surge]

Logs arent inaccurate, its just that theres a lot of variables that change between keys and groups so its hard to compare to others

You can log your own keys and then compare it to your next run etc

[glacial slate]

Ah smart, I was thinking of parses but comparing to your own logs would be much better

[spice surge]

Parses are not really it since typically playing higher keys means you get higher overalls

And/or if they pulled bigger etc

[west jolt]

just ran a 15m iterations sim wonder how long this gonna take

[golden loom]

using enough energy to power the sun to run a 14 hour sim just to get everything with margin of error

[haughty flicker]

me when i run gem/enchant sims to pick between 3000 sidegrades

[golden loom]

0.01% dps increase is not worth spending money on replacing gems

[west jolt]

im gearing up, its a WIP...basically checking all variations of crafted pieces with each option of stats, and different hero/myth track rings I have, and some other pieces. All added up to about 15m iterations, I'm sure there'll be a decent result because ive been blindly stacking mast crit while gearing up

[rich field]

may I ask, as Assa for mainly M+: go for 2x Dawnthread or you better go for Symboisis and Armor Banding?

[rain coral]

so greater corruption will be available in 2 weeks ?

[balmy condor]

People typically run ascendance + armor band

[balmy condor]

3 I thought

[west jolt]

I think ascendance is better if thats what you mean because no ones really using symbiosis, especially if you're going to be doing both versions of content. however symbiosis will be more relevant when you're doing higher keys because it takes like 90s or something like that to ramp all the way up to its full benefit

[balmy condor]

Idk what symbiosis even does im ngl

[rain coral]

but is every week gonna be a upgrade ?

[balmy condor]

Who is using that

[west jolt]

think she did mean the ascendance thingymabob

[balmy condor]

An upgrade to the sanity stuff yeah

[balmy condor]

But symbiosis is a different deck

[rain coral]

oke but not to the curroption

[balmy condor]

No

There’s only lesser and greater

[rich field]

ah my bad, sorry, I meant ascendance - Symbiosis is (irrc) the other buff for weapon (stacks up versa?)

[rain coral]

y i ve got lesser alrd

alrdy*

[balmy condor]

Yeh maybe idk

[rain coral]

but its funny that void ritual sims better than the echo

[rich field]

so I switch from Dawnthread to ascendance + band = better?

[rain coral]

with my rogue

[balmy condor]

If you want I guess, probably won’t make a difference

[west jolt]

yeah ascendance is the one people go with 99% of the time, its good for both types of content especially if you are regularly doing raid like myth prog, but ascendance is more relevant in higher keys like 16+ because the buff takes about 90s to ramp all the way up to max benefit.

[balmy condor]

Embellishments are suck

They’re like a solid 1/5th of what they were in Dragonflight

Super weak

[rain coral]

how comes that void ritual sims better than echoing rune?

[red schooner]

Because it produces a bigger number

[balmy condor]

Cause the stats it gives is better than the damage from echoing

[west jolt]

the corruptions are kind of a mess right now, blizz released the alpha version to live

[red schooner]

Idk, we just trust the robot mostly unless the robot is having a meltdown

[balmy condor]

Idk how messy they are anymore

I haven’t checked echoing in a day

[rain coral]

y but is if it sims better why on wow head echoing is the better

[spice surge]

The dragonflight s4 embellishments give more stats than our current embellishments, just to emphasize how much they suck right now

[west jolt]

yeah i was curious about this earlier, i checked your pinned message often throughout the day

[balmy condor]

Because it’s not your character?

[rain coral]

for assa rogue void ritual is 3rd best option

[balmy condor]

What kind of question is that

[rain coral]

but sims 30k more dps with my rogue

[balmy condor]

Okay so then take void ritual

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

That’s why we sim

[rain coral]

iam curious why its such a big margin from void and echoing

[balmy condor]

My god man

[royal lantern]

30k is not a big margin

[golden loom]

I didnt realize gally is as long of a fight as it is, do I have to get a Eye...

[balmy condor]

Not really much of a dps check

[wary light]

Everything is relative to your gear

[balmy condor]

Probably can just do without

[golden loom]

I assume it does do big and massive stuff though

[balmy condor]

It’s good yeh

[golden loom]

but yeah its whatever

[west jolt]

bro i started a 15m iterations sim like almost 20 minutes ago, its still in stage 2

[golden loom]

I won a eye earlier in the patch and sold it for 500k, funded my season

[royal lantern]

average "replace sockets and enchants" sim be like

[balmy condor]

I mean yeh also depends how many combos make it to stage 2 and 3

[west jolt]

its really not though tbh

[balmy condor]

Also depends what you’re simming

Dungeonslice is very slow

[west jolt]

im in an awkward 665 phase gearing up and i stacked WAY too much mastery crit, so im pretty much running a sim on all possible variations of my crafted pieces like weapons, neck, different rings I have. I literally have 1500 haste and 1000 vers rn

yeahb its dungeonslice

gonna run a ST patchwerk sim after this, once im done with this dungeonslice results to see if it makes much change

[wary light]

I mean without even simming the answer will be get some haste, how much flat crit and mast you got?

[west jolt]

was at 21k mastery and 17k crit

[wary light]

Sure sim if you huge care but at 665 just send some shit to mast haste and crit haste then

[red schooner]

At 665 ilvl just equip higher ilvl pieces and then adjust later

[wary light]

I'm learning to let go of a lot of my care around stats as Assa after being told 50000 times our stats are so close it doesn't matter all that much

[west jolt]

believe it or not i got super lucky and so far all my hero and myth drops have been mastery crit, so ye they're currently my highest ilvl equipped

however

i have a crafted neck, crafted dagger, boots and bracers...plus some other hero/myth rings

and since neck and rings have biggest impact on stats, definitely simming those to see which will give me best results

[royal lantern]

good boy

[wary light]

Crafted neck is a nice place to slam some haste for sure

[west jolt]

yep it had me recraft neck from mast/crit to haste/mast

boots and bracers to haste/vers

[wary light]

Haste Vers????????

Shit in my Sims I don't even put Vers as an option xdd

[west jolt]

its always good to check all options but to be fair its marginal, the difference between the haste/vers recraft and haste/mastery recraft was like a 3k dps increase

[golden loom]

mastery/vers crafted ammy was 0.7% ahead of all other options for me

[wary light]

Looks like I'm running some Sims at home

[red schooner]

Isn't that within margin of error anyhow?

[wary light]

But since I've got shit like trash masters on I doubt Vers is gonna be the play

[west jolt]

like you said earlier as sin all stats are good, so thats why i check all options

[wary light]

10000% a highlighted line yes

[golden loom]

I have a lovely spread of stats

[west jolt]

Could be yeah but from my circumstances I'll take it as an overall dps increase because literally everything was mast/crit before

[wary light]

Sorta similar to where I'm at

[royal lantern]

11crit? damm mate

[west jolt]

believe it or not, i really got that lucky so far with drops

[quiet oar]

Spreed deez

[haughty flicker]

only 6 vers holy

[golden loom]

I am a lucky man what can I say

just crit

[royal lantern]

mf is playing a lvl 9 classic character

[west jolt]

In all of yalls experiences, do your dungeon slices sims typically translate well over to a ST patchwerk sim? I mean like, after simming yourself in dungeon slice and making some adjustments, would it continue to reflect changes if you then simmed it in patchwerk after or is it usually the same result or close enough? Considering if you regularly do both raid and keys

[golden loom]

close!

[haughty flicker]

ive simmed dungeon slice once in the past several years and it was as a meme

maybe twice

[golden loom]

do I need more haste? more vers? how do I parse

[haughty flicker]

need more hit

[golden loom]

this bitch raided for 6 months and never got a weapon.. ew!

[wary light]

I'm uncapped on hit against myth Gally

[west jolt]

yeah how much hit and expertise we need?

spell hit for poison?

[quiet oar]

spell hit

[west jolt]

that was really a thing back in the day for poison

[golden loom]

I am glad we got a dragonbreath chili reference with the hot sauce

running arcane elixir + fire power elixir to get like 2 extra damage on a random fire damage proc to parse

[quiet oar]

i know

[rotund oak]

classic?

[west jolt]

this supposed to be SoD or what

[west jolt]

shes level 12 or something like that, it has to be sod

[rotund oak]

could be cata

[golden loom]

nah its regular classic, raided on hardcore until I died

[west jolt]

what fucking raid are you doing at level 12

[golden loom]

if this isnt your consume WA, are you really playing the game though

[golden loom]

oh no, the other 12 is a new rogue on new HC servers

the one in the screenshot is 60

[sharp viper]

seeing hotfixes about some pets and talents but not echoing void makes me

[west jolt]

you watch shobek?

[golden loom]

I know who he is but nah

[west jolt]

might be best classic/sod content creator tbh

hes that one rogue that makes all the anime noises and pseudo japanese

while absolutely demolishing people in pvp

[haughty flicker]

shouldve just ddosed the servers

[golden loom]

I died cause I had petri bound on F4 so when I petri alt f4'd out of Naxx it turned off the petri aswell

[rotund oak]

[sharp viper]

[haughty flicker]

i have no idea what those words mean but im sorry

[west jolt]

the good ol days of needing vanishing powder and making your own thistle tea

what else am i missing

whats the reagent for blind?

[golden loom]

Blinding powder

[rotund oak]

blinding pwder

needs fadeleaf

[west jolt]

kinda makes me wanna try classic again

[rotund oak]

its fun,i just have fun killing mages and warlocks

swapping to daggers and ambush/stab

100-0

[west jolt]

much more fun to run 15 million iterations sim on retail though while pressing 15-20 different abilities while tracking 5 procs/buffs via WA's while dodging/doing 2-3 mechanics at one time

[golden loom]

hardcore leveling is very fun, got a warrior to 60 on the new server but all guilds raid on the same days as my retail guild

[rotund oak]

ive played HC a bit but kinda cringe guild

never died

stopped playing

[golden loom]

and now I am leveling a 3rd rogue to play with my old guild maybe if I can be bothered

[rotund oak]

💀

actually rogue is a good choice,its very strong in HC

other is hunter and mage

ive started hunter,let him on mc gear,made a rogue hit 60,pre-bis blues

and that was it

[golden loom]

idk leveling a warrior made me realize its a lvl 80 char in a lvl 60 game

have gotten two rogues to 60 in HC and one warrior so far

and a mage to 55 that died to a dc

[rotund oak]

HC is the journey,omegasweating

i respect that

[golden loom]

yeah I mean its what I started with

so just normal vanilla leveling sounds weirdly boring to me

[west jolt]

to each their own i guess, classic and sod is fun but i cant stand the HC shit of losing your character

sod is more my cup of tea, i like the added content

[golden loom]

I lost 40 days of playtime to the most dumb mistake and said I would quit

made a new char like 3 days later

[haughty flicker]

[golden loom]

got it to 60 and 2 days later the new servers got announced and server died

[haughty flicker]

i want retail hc

lose your character because someone boops you off the edge on sprocket

[golden loom]

wasnt there someone that did like a hardcore to 3k IO challenge

[rotund oak]

retail HC raiding is certain death sentence

like cant imagine mythic raiding HC

[golden loom]

yeah I mean it for sure does not have the same appeal

[haughty flicker]

me when i lose my retail hc character because brann kites into 30 mobs

[west jolt]

God fuck that. You know how many 2.6k io DH tanks would kill you?

[haughty flicker]

never play with a dh tank

ive seen too many gifs

[rotund oak]

im mop waiting room tbh

i wanna re-live that excitement

im also getting older,retail isnt rly for me anymore

[brisk lily]

Guys on m+ 16~18 wich new head enchant du u use ?

[west jolt]

mop rep grinds paragons

[haughty flicker]

mop classic is potentially the only version of classic i'll ever play

just because thats where my nostalgia is since its when i started

[west jolt]

im deadass no kizzy on god really waiting for Legion classic

thats my only enjoyable 'modern' retail expansion ive enjoyed

[rotund oak]

yeah that will take a while

dont keep ur breath

[west jolt]

at this point they may go full cycle

i dont think they'd let it reach bfa or SL obviously

[rotund oak]

yup

[west jolt]

but Legion was a great expansion

[rotund oak]

bfa might come

[haughty flicker]

wow classic classic

v3

[rotund oak]

classic+

[royal lantern]

bgl, legion is so overhyped

[rotund oak]

after sod

[royal lantern]

its insane lol

legion was sooooo bad for half its runtime

[west jolt]

it aint overhyped at all, i mean in comparison to any other modern retail expansion its great.

[royal lantern]

but the first half is iust always forgoten lol

[rotund oak]

yeah first half was atrocious

but i was overhyped and had 3 rogues to take care of

no time to think how bad it is

[west jolt]

The only common complaint about Legion was the artifact weapon grind which was eventually tuned/fixed, but other than that it was a great expansion...not a claim many other expansions can claim

[royal lantern]

thats a nice 10year old character you have there, now delete him and make a new one because he dropped the wrong legendarys and you cant get more :3

[west jolt]

RNG legendaries too I guess, but it is what it is

[royal lantern]

oh and only play 1 spec

:3

spec gets nerfed? L bozo, go grind maw of souls for 2 weeks to catch up AP

:3

[west jolt]

I'm fairly positive if they did Legion classic they'd fine-tune the weapon grind and make the RNG legendaries less RNG I guess

[golden loom]

well classic versions are always on last patch of the expansion

[haughty flicker]

im looking forward to legion remix

but thats just for cosmetics not bc i care about replaying legion

[west jolt]

I think so far with each classic release they've made some adjustments that made it less miserable

compared to original release

45m later

🤚

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

REALLY A 6K DPS INCREASE FOR THAT WHOLE 45M SIM

[balmy condor]

Turns out secondaries don’t really matter

Crazy

[west jolt]

HEY

TO BE FAIR IT WAS A 45K DPS INCREASE EARLIER

[red schooner]

[west jolt]

[loud hawk]

so with echoing void being bugged we choose between Single target and AoE ?

[west jolt]

me got a question

if I have a 681 embellished dagger in MH, but I get a bis myth track dagger, would the embellished dagger still go in MH most likely? Or does the embellishment still trigger at the same rate regardless if its mh/oh

i know ill sim it, but just generally speaking

[gusty mirage]

Higher ilvl in mainhand always

[west jolt]

kk

[sharp viper]

same rate regardless of mh/oh

[west jolt]

personally im just going void ritual as it seems the most stable, until echoing void is 100% fixed

[gusty mirage]

All our abilities scale directly off of the MH weapon DPS, so you’ll always want the highest ilvl in your MH

[haughty flicker]

beam go brr

[gusty mirage]

I miss u(s)

[haughty flicker]

[rotund oak]

[quiet oar]

Who wouldve thought

[west jolt]

to be fair in my previous sim I did go from like a pure 21k mastery and 17k crit, to like 19k mastery and 13k crit. Went from basically no haste/vers to about 7k haste and 5k vers

was a substantial enough dps increase

[amber elbow]

Hey I'm having a confliction in sims with top gear results and droptimizer, can I link both results and would someone be able to help me out?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b2xeY2SBpHJkupiBgufQ2J
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bPahkTDYKPMtiFNPfoQzcX

In droptimizer, its showing two rings as good replacements. In TopGear, I have those rings already so I selected them to sim and its showing a significant DPS loss. I made sure the ilvls match in both sims.

[golden loom]

one is dungeon slice and the other is patchwerk?=

[amber elbow]

Oh damn yeah, ok I'll run droptimizer again then.

But if I do both forms of content, which droptimizer is currently showing as ST, how do I find that balance?

[waxen field]

whatever the difference isn't much in any case

[vocal widget]

Dude how play bleed assassin after nameplate color addons removed

They are going to need big changes for multiple specs with that

[pliant remnant]

I cannot believe Blizzard would let something as disruptive as conditional nameplate colouring exist in the game for so long

[royal lantern]

you still cant track dot timers in the current UI without using 3rd party tools

[pliant remnant]

[royal lantern]

the "cd tracker" has mutilate/rupture on it

and like

it does nothing

they dont have a CD, it doesnt show you the duration on the current target

just nothing

[potent raven]

hello im back

[pliant remnant]

Don't worry, they'll get the extremely basic functionality down soon (TM)

[potent raven]

help

[pliant remnant]

Right after they replace our entire UIs with their baseline replacements

[potent raven]

how do i play without restealth if my tank purposefully chains packs

[pliant remnant]

literally the heat death of the universe will happen before they get around to it but y'know

details

[red schooner]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[potent raven]

doesnt count in how many ruptures u dont get in besides garrote anyway

[red schooner]

If they're chaining and you have a vanish, vanish, play as normal. If they're chaining without vanish just use the energy from previous packs to establish dots on new targets and play as normal

In a nutshell

[harsh ravine]

I would like to sim maghar orc, is it possible to do so ?

[vocal widget]

REALLY?

I did not know that

been using plater for a long time

dude this game will be omega shit for a while let me be real

[west jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/swifty-mount-wow-swifty-wow-world-of-warcraft-on-my-way-gif-26679801

[red schooner]

Yeah, I've got little faith in Blizz to pull this off

[lavish wing]

do we have somewhere plater scripts for nameplate colours, for garrote, rupture, DM etc?

[old thistle]

The problem is , while the idea is good on paper as we all know blizzard is bad at implementing said ideas

[shy creek]

Yes, I think somebody has the script in the theorycraft channel, search in there

[humble verge]

i saw sub got a buff

🤨

[dapper cradle]

Yeah it desperately needed it

[red schooner]

Yeah, I'm happy sub got the buff, it needed some love.

[nova aspen]

any other sins pushing 18's able to survive wax boss? i rotted out when he was at about 20%

can't figure out when to cloak

if i cloak the heal absorb i dont think it eats the statues

[lunar pond]

That is true

Cloak negates statue elimination

[spice surge]

Cloak after the statues have been destroyed

When the healing absorb is up

But idk not much more you can do besides using feint, cloak and evasion

Hope your healer heals

[lunar pond]

Cancelaura maybe to wipe the absorb and not overlap candle clearing

[nova aspen]

yea will try that

making sub set, can just swap sub like zeross i guess

should be fine now especially with the buff coming

[royal lantern]

damm

where is the compensation 20% envenom buff

[humble verge]

kb 1000% buff pls

:3

[royal lantern]

whats kb?

[humble verge]

knuckleball

[royal lantern]

envenom in french?

[deep gyro]

Just got my ce yesterday. Woot.

[royal lantern]

GZ man!

we just started gally prog

[deep gyro]

Tyty we started this week and with 3 days he just fell over.

Gl homie

[nova aspen]

we are in kill pulls for bandit

should die tonight

would u guys say mug'zee is harder than oab?

[humble verge]

no

but people will probably do more stupid mistakes

[nova aspen]

[golden loom]

idk mugzee feels weird now

[humble verge]

we recleared mug in like 10 pulls, felt good atleast

[golden loom]

we gained so much power and then it just kinda died?

[humble verge]

did spend 3h reclearing 5/8 💀

1h on sprocket

[royal lantern]

yeha, aint gonna happen when you noticed so hard that 80% of the raid didnt look up anything

[golden loom]

like our best pull before kill was 11%

[nova aspen]

we fucked our lockout last week

[humble verge]

how

[nova aspen]

and had to re-kill sprocket

[humble verge]

oh

were doing full clears

[nova aspen]

but we did it in 14 pulls

[royal lantern]

i mean thats kinda normal? the fight is not that many mechanics at the very end

[nova aspen]

luckily

[humble verge]

but do hope we full clear in 1 day

instead of 2

[nova aspen]

we had an alt with 4/8 and then we killed sprocket on his other toon

so we could keep getting vault

[golden loom]

yeah I guess but it felt weird that it died before the final mineset, even if we had people dead / not playing optimally cause we never got past 3rd gaols before

like we had 6 dead 10 seconds before it died

[halcyon grail]

echoing void fixed yet?

[scarlet orbit]

we killed mugzee yesterday in less pulls then we needed on one armed it felt not very good on the kill because we just over dmg that boss with so many mistakes and half of us still faild basic mechanics

[royal lantern]

wanna know our kill yesterday?

3 people died in intermission cus they are dumb fucks

then somebody triggered a mine after gaols and no ranged moved to soak the puddle 2 meters next to them

and boss died to the last 3 ticks of my KB with only me, the WW monk and the druid tank alive

clean af

[golden loom]

hooly

[red schooner]

Flawless

[royal lantern]

this

is our worst tier

in like 4 years

its mindblowing how shit we play

from WR 600 average

too 900

[mortal crystal]

Heroic Jastor sims as a downgrade for me i Dungeon slice with the bleed spec (compared to 684 ToP vers/mas & Circlet). Some error on my end or common?

[royal lantern]

enchants/gems added?

[mortal crystal]

Yes, identical gems/enchants

Used gear compare instead of Top gear, would that be the issue?

[royal lantern]

never use gear compare when you can se top gear instead

[mortal crystal]

Ye, I’ll probably re-run it, thanks for chiming in

[hollow wren]

They seriously need to make assa and subtlety be more fun on st, I remember sub being literally a 2 skills in aoe

[normal mist]

Sin st isn't that bad

It's a good loop

[lavish wing]

whats wrong with sub st

[hollow wren]

For me it falls too quickly into multilate envenom perma

[normal mist]

Just like it always was basically

Refresh dots, envenom

And then play the lottery for mutilate crits

[hollow wren]

Im wron on giving opinions about sub, I havent played it fr

I really loved sub on legion

[lavish wing]

Sub is super fun to play, just badly tuned

[royal lantern]

its not really that different to legion rn

secret tech is basically what DfA was

[broken lion]

Is BiS still void ritual?

[thorny swift]

everything is basically the same, around 1%, but last time I simmed void ritual was the best for the slimmest margin

[broken lion]

Is that still bc of the pre nerf thing?

[devout jasper]

guys how can I find any mag'har orc racial wa about which stat it gives when i used

i look the wago but i cannot find

[main blaze]

one of the two highest secondary stats

[devout jasper]

yea i know but i wanna track them

while fight opening

[main blaze]

Its the name

[rocky ruin]

its mostly mastery or crit depens what higher is

[main blaze]

Rictus of the Laughing Skull Critical Strike
Zeal of the Burning Blade Haste
Ferocity of the Frostwolf Mastery
Might of the Blackrock Versatility

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=274738/ancestral-call#comments

[loud hawk]

Is it macroing kingsbane with Tea a good idea? (I have it already on shiv)

[devout jasper]

thanks a lot ❤️

[errant heath]

Any log reviewers for my OAB kill? Was going well the whole night and the kill was meh but i didn't change anything tbh
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2yGBhN7HL4pqcJAw?fight=20&type=damage-done

[tranquil stirrup]

If Echoing void is bugged, then the next best thing for Raid ir Gushing wounds ?

[static glacier]

had a very quick look

main difference between my kill and yours is rupture and env casts

you're likely not sniping as much as you could be to be gcd capped when adds are up

other than that planning DN shiv envs following dm to line up with bomb spawns can help padding too

your casts of rupture

mine

other than that you're landing shiv on fewer targets, 25 to 35

[errant heath]

Ty Mo. Wasn't thinking about lining up stuff to add spawns much maybe it just naturally happened on our other pulls. Would it be better to lose envenom uptime to get snipe rutures on the assistances? I reason for me not switching was i would also lose the uptime of env on the boss , not sure how important that is

[static glacier]

you shouldn't be losing env uptime

as for uptime on the boss you can sprint along with the boss movement and dot atleast 2 if not all 3 adds

like on pull I prio landing dn env on boss and the first add its on and rupturing it

then as boss is moved to the far add ill rupture the middle one

you can use 2x shadowstep to get to an add and back to boss if you like, just be aware of bait timers

as for the env time thing the amount of energy you get from rupture should let you be reckless with energy while adds are up

it's not super easy to pull it off but if you keep 3 main goals in mind you can maximise dps.

1. Landing DN envs when boss is in range of adds when it can be lined up
2. Rupture sniping
3. be smart about shiv, think about if you can land your super juiced shiv with lingering and shiv on extra targets or not, for me I end up planning for like 10-15s in advance before the bomb spawns to try and immediately land dn env or shiv dn env if its in lingering

[amber elbow]

If talented for amplifying poison, two poisons should be amp and deadly, correct?
If not talented for amplifying, two poisons should be deadly and numbing, correct?
If talented for atrophic, two poisons should be deadly and atrophic, correct?

[static glacier]

you will end up barely managing to spend energy fast enough and there can be cases of overcap if a ruptured add dies super quick, I was fortunate and my guild had 3x spriest so adds died very consistently pull to pull

[static glacier]

the non lethal poison is for utility / personal choice. deadly and non lethal poisons are independent

you can run atro alongside any or none of the lethal poison setups

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[amber elbow]

yeah shit just realized I can run 3 on the hybrid build bceause DTB

was just using amp and deadly lol

[hollow wren]

After bleeds end and you have no vanish to refresh them, do you really just go through mob by mob spreading them again with garrote cd and so on?

[static glacier]

you can run 4

dtb lets you run 2 of each lethal and non lethal

[humble verge]

!chainpulling

!chain

whats the command called

😭

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[hollow wren]

Ty

That explains a bit

[potent raven]

when do i press shiv with the no kb build

on cd?

[iron carbon]

With cd or exec phase or at 2 stacks

[tall atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-tell-you-something-meme-gipf-let-me-tell-you-something-let-me-tell-you-let-me-tell-you-seomthing-meme-wait-let-me-tell-you-something-gif-11295314300925847882

[potent raven]

exxec?

[iron carbon]

Less than 35% hp

[potent raven]

why?

cuz of zoldyck?

[errant heath]

Thanks for the explanation Mo. I'll try it out on our reclear and see if I can do these

[deep gyro]

Yes

[potent raven]

is it like good tho

[turbid sandal]

Is Echoing Void bugged to the point of being unusable, or just "annoying"? Yes I read the pin.

[iron carbon]

I mean, why not?

[astral current]

which corruption do we take for raids/ST

gushing wounds or echoing void despite it's being bugged?

[potent raven]

any vods of some1 playing bleed build no kb

[west crown]

Shindig Youtube

[potent raven]

ty goat

[restive glade]

I have mine w my shiv but idk if that’s better or worse

[sage basin]

Feel good to be done for the tier, CE last night

P2 M Gally is so chill lmao

[potent raven]

why is my ic 12 seocnds wtf

[royal lantern]

read suberfuge

[potent raven]

ohh

[deep gyro]

Same same gz dude

[sage basin]

Thanks! Grats to you too

[restive glade]

ain’t rlly played to end of tier - it’s kinda sad not gonna ngl, feels like ppl drop off and grind is just … over

[astral current]

can anyone help me with this

[hallow glade]

Submit to Void ritual slop

[gusty mirage]

Grats homie

[sage basin]

tyty

[gusty mirage]

It’s a good feeling, I miss it

[sage basin]

It's only my second CE too, last tier was my first

[gusty mirage]

Second of many more to come* because you’re an ABSOLUTE GAMER

Fixed it for you

[sage basin]

haha appreciate it

[hexed root]

for mobs that don't live long but are a focus/priority would it be better to get deathmark up on them or rupture for the caustic?

[strange python]

Hey looking for advice, with mythic+ single target. Im running hybrid. From stealth i ambush > garrote > mut > rupture > fok > mut > envenom > pot / trinket / death mark > KB > mut > mut > envenom / mag orc racial > shiv vanish garrote > normal rotation.. after that I think im getting hung up on pooling maybe?

At 678 I feel like I come in third dps on bosses, probably average 2-3 mil dps when boss dies

[gusty mirage]

I’d save deathmark for the beefier boys in this situation personally

[gusty mirage]

Assa ST in keys is just not that great tbh. 2-3mil is respectable

[unreal parcel]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hexed root]

I mean, it's a mob I can put deathmark on and focus until the mob dies(like 10-15 seconds max?) and then put it back onto the boss

[strange python]

Ahh ok, well that's good to know at least, thank you

[gusty mirage]

Do you mean death stalker’s mark? Or our 2min CD

[hexed root]

sorry, deathstalkers mark, not the 2min CD

[fluid zodiac]

Guys, i'm a newbie to rogue and i've been leveling one and it's been fun. Thinking in making the switch from my war to it

Just a quick question, when playing m+ i want to apply garrote and rupture as much as possible while also keeping a main target to come back to, did i get that right?

[icy echo]

Potentially dumb question but, Do you still clip envenoms without twist the knife

[gusty mirage]

Oh, then yeah apply it to the thing that needs to die ASAP and then you can use vanish to reapply it as needed

[gusty mirage]

You want as many bleeds as it takes to maximize energy return. The opener should give you more than enough with indiscriminate carnage (5 garrotes and 5 ruptures), after that you focus on maintaining crimson tempest dot and at least 5 ruptures. While also keeping up caustic spatter on your prio target

It’ll take a little while for it to feel comfy, so don’t stress if it feels clunky to you at first

[fluid zodiac]

I'm liking leveling one, but i fear it becomes too hard when it comes to end game play

i'm an old guy

[gusty mirage]

You’ll be fine, don’t stress it friend

If you’re loving the leveling experience, you’re gonna have a ton of fun at max level

Cause rogue is notoriously one of the most miserable leveling experiences in wow lol

[shy sorrel]

Does this damagebreakdown look fine for the Bleed build?

[fluid zodiac]

I see lol

It's just it feels that i need to keep track on where my bleeds are, and i have a hard time following this on the m+ chaos

[gusty mirage]

I’m also an old guy, and once you get used to everything you’ll be chilling

Turned 36 this past Sunday

[shy sorrel]

Grab yourself a weakaura and it will help insanely

[gusty mirage]

^

[fluid zodiac]

which one?

[shy sorrel]

Personal prefernce

[gusty mirage]

Good nameplate add on and weakauras will do heavy lifting for you

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[fluid zodiac]

Oh okay, cool

[gusty mirage]

Download plater if you don’t already use it and search for a profile to import that you think looks good and keeps track of bleeds for you

[fluid zodiac]

Thanks

[shy sorrel]

If you look at mine, the 5 above ruptures show how many I have out

And I can see the time on that and Garrote

And on CT, but I didnt use it this time

[gusty mirage]

And then when you get comfy, it’ll all just click. Don’t worry about messing up, just kinda make it work

The bleed build for keys is super straight forward

[shy sorrel]

At the end of the day, if you fuck up you can use it to learn

[gusty mirage]

[shy sorrel]

If you fuck up your bleeds, then you learn to pay attention to it and so on

You aint playing one key Assa for the first time in your life and come out the GOAT

[shy sorrel]

https://wago.io/zz7apLUvV This also helped me out a lot when I first started playing Assa

[fluid zodiac]

Yeah that's true

[shy sorrel]

https://wago.io/2S0Eyvf5N You can also role with this to just see how many you have ruptures on

I think that you wanna have it on ATLEAST 5 in AoE because of the talent Scent of blood

This one

[fluid zodiac]

I see, i saw that from the wowhead guide

i've read quite a bit about it

Thing is, we want to keep at least 5 running because of scent of blood

i think i just need practice to understand it better

One thing that is not clear to me from the guides

is when to use vanish

do we use ambush besides to apply the mark at all?

Or to reset the garrote thing

Those things are not quite clear

also i did not quite get how shiv works lol

[static glacier]

I normally have rup / gar above spatter and demise higher

[gusty mirage]

Not really, you’re forced to when you proc blindside but besides that in aoe you use it once and forget it

[vagrant bison]

how different are the stats from outlaw to sin? i would like to learn a new spec but outlaw is the only one i ever geared for

[gusty mirage]

Sin really likes mastery and iirc mastery is dogshit for outlaw

But sin also likes every stat

[vagrant bison]

so you basically have to farm gear all over?

[gusty mirage]

Stacking mastery really only matters for the ring proc and priory choosing mastery

Becomes less important if you’re not using priory

[static glacier]

you can get away with just running different jewellery for sin and rest can be ol gear

a crafted neck and 1-2x crafted rings and a gally ring

and you should be sorted

[spiral sedge]

Hi, hello, hi! just have a quick question, i have recently about week agou decided to drop healers and try DPS and started with rogue, i'm curently trying to make my Assasination work, but i'm 657ilvl, yet the Raidbots is telling me my simed DPS is 1.4mil which semes low for the ilvl and testing on the raider dummy i did indeed pulled 1,3-1,4 dps over 2 or 3 min and i'm suspecting that it might be cous of haste since i added a nect with 2k haste on raidbots to my build and it showd straight up 25k dps incrisey yet everybody keeps telling me haste is a dead stat on assassination and i might as well have it on 0 with no change to my dps added my stats to it, allso i was Sub rogue till yesterday but it felt way too unrewording for the effort

[normal mist]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[normal mist]

whoever told you haste is a dead stat, tell them they are somewhat wrong

If you're playing the bleed build in m+ (which you should) haste becomes even better

[runic hinge]

It’s also pretty good in single target

[normal mist]

Correct! You sim and you trust the sim

Our APL is extremely well made

[spiral sedge]

so, if i understand it corectly int's not bad, but it indeed hurts when i have none?

[normal mist]

Also, Patchwork - ST / Raid sim
Dungeonslice - M+ sim

Haste good

crit good

mastery good

versa good

we want stats

the only time you try to get MORE mastery than the other 3 stats, is when you're playing priory trinket

" Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly. "

[acoustic kite]

wow, was using FI for a bit just because and could only get grey parses, switch back to bleed and get a 94.

[normal mist]

parses in m+ mean 0

like, a huge 0

[acoustic kite]

i dont really care, i like the big numbers

[spiral sedge]

i'm curently runing HoC but want to get the signet too, also i'm familiar with how prio stats work already since i have been using the Circlet glich in the past

[normal mist]

they are the same (pretty much) so you dont need to get signet

rather get pacemaker

[spiral sedge]

already got it

[normal mist]

FI works better for higher keys with the sole purpose to do more single target

[spiral sedge]

my warry first warbound Valerstone chast

like, got it the day they relesed it, lol

only champ tho

[normal mist]

lucky

Anyway TLDR @spiral sedge Sim your character with whatever you have / will craft and trust those numbers, Patchwerk = single target Sim, Dungeonslice = M+ sim, enjoy killing stuff

[nimble tartan]

i wish there was a gilded catchup or am i being too greedy? alts gonna take like sooo long to gear ima have to play too much i cant do it ...

[normal mist]

delves 11

[nimble tartan]

i dont even have all the gilded on my main bro

[normal mist]

• map

41 gilded per week

[spiral sedge]

at least one delvers bounty, you get 27 from one delve a week

they buffed it

not the acualy 11s tho

[nimble tartan]

why tf tehy timegate visions i was havin so much fun for 1 day

[normal mist]

11's give 7x3 gilded

map on +11 gives 20 iirc

[balmy condor]

need you to login in 3 weeks for the statistics mr omr

[nimble tartan]

i was gonna login to raid anyways man

they got it ALL WRONG

[balmy condor]

but the statistics

you are keeping the lights on at blizzard hq

[nimble tartan]

litcherally

i bought a wowtoken i was down to 5k gold

[normal mist]

why does the goddamn warrior set look so freaking good (mythic / elite)

ITS BEAUTIFUL AHHHHHHHH

back to talking rogue, sup guys.

[restive glade]

I was thinking this last night bc I had 70% mastery and top parse rogues never had my gems so did some math on their break points and figured I had too much mastery

yea cookie cutter pin advice of sim urself is good but cookie cutter percent I think derive from top parses makes sense idk

[normal mist]

Most of the playerbase shouldn't be comparing to top parsers / r1 m+ guys

[humble verge]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN, I SHOULDNT BE ABLE TO DO R1 DAMAGE? REEEEEEEE

[restive glade]

yea my sim w gems said gem stuff that isn’t mastery so sim urself makes sense but simming gems seems indeterminate bc combos possible isn’t enough

[normal mist]

mostly because stats good

[restive glade]

maybe they’re built different but imo stats isn’t really skill cap area it seems to me

[normal mist]

yeah because... for assa atleast, stats are just good

but if you have too much of a stat, the others become more desirable

[restive glade]

why not monkey follow top stats if we doing same rotation n spec more or less?

[normal mist]

because we don't have access to their gear (most of us that dont do 10's for vault or mythic raid)

I hate the fact we have BiS list on our website guides because it is just not good

[restive glade]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-dog-hug-dog-question-mark-dog-question-mark-gif-14144426802562365039

[normal mist]

and explaining over and over again that Sim > bis gear is ideal

[balmy condor]

because their gear is probably better or at least different from your gear and has different stats on different pieces. They sim themselves to find their best gear, so unless you have identical gear to copy off of them, doesn't really make sense

[normal mist]

Also, idk if the bis gear on wowhead is even accurate, pretty sure whispyr said it isnt

[rotund oak]

war has couple good sets

BT is one of them

[normal mist]

Homie we old

because yes it is

[nimble tartan]

anyone play dev here is it easier than rogue

[normal mist]

For fun? much easier

never got into min max

just a lot of lasers and blast and pew pew

[bright turret]

everything is easier than sub and outlaw

[royal lantern]

devoker is a easy to play and learn spec yeha

but also kinda fun

[nimble tartan]

might try it out

[restive glade]

I’m not saying my gear exact same as top parses, just saying irrespective of gear differences imo percents make sense. Yes always sim sim but simming towards a general percent in mind makes more sense than blindly

Generally - I don’t see why for 675ilvl plus we can’t blanket say percents

[normal mist]

i honestly would enjoy evoker more if i wasn't a dragon 100% of the time

[royal lantern]

shut your mouth

[rotund oak]

Zeepye just oneshot'd mvq btw 😛

1 on the board

[uncut vector]

sup guys short question as assa rogue wich corruption echoing void ?

[rotund oak]

(awc finals)

[normal mist]

#assassination message

[restive glade]

https://tenor.com/view/why-cant-you-just-be-normal-youre-weird-stop-it-chill-out-wtf-gif-12213994

[uncut vector]

hmm damn, anyways thanks

[balmy condor]

top 10 for sprocketmonger, a no RNG, no pad fight, crit/haste/mast in thousands:

• 16/14/16
• 14/11/21
• 17/9/18
• 17/6/22
• 21/7/16
• 15/7/18
• 16/8/21
• 12/8/21
• 17/8/20
• 19/12/15

now tell me what I should say for blanket percents

[humble verge]

guys should i have 60k mastery

[normal mist]

[humble verge]

ok, im gonna get my dad who works at blizzard give it to me

then i will get all the r1s

[normal mist]

The real R1s are the friends we make along the way

[humble verge]

(this is not cheating)

[uncut vector]

but if echoing void maybe bugged what to pick then xD

[coral ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[normal mist]

did you read the pin @uncut vector ?

[balmy condor]

just in the top 10 there's a swing of 7k mastery, 9k crit, 8k haste. That's a spread of legit 10-13% romster

it's a serious question

what percent

give me the blanket number

[normal mist]

we should keep updating this gif to updated ilevels

[balmy condor]

you think I want to tell people to sim themselves 24/7? I'd want nothing more than to tell people hey go get mastery until 73.92% and then full crit until 25.37% and then you're good to go don't touch it ever again

it would remove so much work from gearing

world peace would form maybe

[normal mist]

more time for D4 guides

[balmy condor]

but that's not how the world works

[bright turret]

Should really just be a command for the bot to say "You are not smarter than math. You are not parsing 99% on every Mythic fight. You are overthinking it." instead of engaging a new person every day on the secondary topic