assassination

[haughty flicker]

i was 4/8h last tier until the last week when my new guild forced me to clear

rashanan is my end boss

[vagrant brook]

ranged players are literally useless in my raid

[thorn thorn]

How expected

[native turret]

welcome to every raid

[thorn thorn]

Tell them the barrels give you a damage buff called Pad when you target them

[spice surge]

They unironically give haste

If you target them

[vagrant brook]

haste assa fight for sure

[distant helm]

i realy wish they would make mechanics like that just give your high 2nd stat instead of a locked in stat

i hated getting haste on sark aswell

[thorn thorn]

Its usually haste cuz a decent chunk of specs nowadays get very strong with high haste

But some its mostly just a meh stat

[fallow canopy]

Idk man free stat is a free stat

[vagrant brook]

just give us oab coin buffs in every fight

[spice surge]

But like if sub wasnt down bad it should be absolutely clapping assa on a fight like rik with how 90s timings line up way better than 120s ones

[crude helm]

My ranged cast combustion during the rik intermission

[spice surge]

But alas, stuck with green eviscerates for now

[distant helm]

dw we are back next tier

[heavy jolt]

shadowstep to mugzee during charges bad idea?

[balmy condor]

What if assa 90s

And we delete sub

[tall cradle]

how come there is no weekly spark quest this week?

[haughty flicker]

based

[balmy condor]

Nah it’s fine

[distant helm]

you can, just make sure you move instant to the left/right depending which way hes turning

[heavy jolt]

ok cool, wasnt sure if it would put me in the hitbox or not

[balmy condor]

It puts you on the edge

[spice surge]

Not much would change from the current state tbh

[balmy condor]

If you step forward you get shit on

[fallow canopy]

Step backwards otherwise you are splat

[uncut dragon]

Comcast sucks so bad they changed their name to xfinity to hide from the comcast brand and now everyone knows xfinity sucks as well

[balmy condor]

True

[distant helm]

[balmy condor]

It’s the best of both world

Sub players get to play a better spec

[haughty flicker]

if they delete sub you're finally free

[balmy condor]

And we all get to cope that 90>120 together

[distant helm]

sub is the goat

[thorn thorn]

Noppers

Sub is cringe

[distant helm]

current assa playstyle makes me wanna commit crimes

[haughty flicker]

kind of fair tbh

[thorn thorn]

Sub actually defines the people who play the spec

Sub = submissive, meaning people who play it are bottoms

Thank you for coming to my ted talk

[haughty flicker]

why are we hating on bottoms

[balmy condor]

And ass = I’m shit at the game

[thorn thorn]

So true

[balmy condor]

And out = me banning people

[fallow canopy]

Truee

[buoyant goblet]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[thorn thorn]

My RL calls sin Combat

[distant helm]

i miss amirdrassil assa rogue

now that was good content

[haughty flicker]

[distant helm]

kingsbane going infinite

hoping it crits at the end

[spice surge]

I just want to nuke things out of orbit during my cooldowns and then afk until the next time i can do it again, is that too much to ask for? Smh my head

Current arcane mage is what sub wishes it was in terms of damage profile tbh

[distant helm]

i said this 3 hours ago in my raid

when i got flamed for playing sub

[thorn thorn]

I miss when KB was stronger

[distant helm]

same kingsbane feels like such a dogshit button

especially the one outside of dm

[haughty flicker]

i think it was too much of our damage in amirdrassil

but now its too little compared to envenom

so idk

[spice surge]

Ye sub is like arcane except you do a bit less damage, you are melee, you dont really funnel and you bring no buffs or group wide defensives

[distant helm]

and your clones bug out every 2nd patch

[haughty flicker]

me when my clones fall into a hole

[fallow canopy]

1hr tricks tho

[haughty flicker]

[thorn thorn]

Idk Im just a legion/DF baby so im just used to KB just being a sin thing and being important for it

So now that we are in TWW and its much weaker feels weird

[spice surge]

Atleast assa is good in keys so i can play

[haughty flicker]

i mean im gonna be honest im glad its weak enough that i dont have to take kb in keys

spec feels way better in keys without it

[gritty laurel]

bleed is fun to play, yeah

[barren yarrow]

weird find but you cant xmog the dreamer/sleeper

[haughty flicker]

in raid though i wouldnt want to play assa without it

[barren yarrow]

so can i not xmog the leggos fangs of the fathers?

[haughty flicker]

you should be able to

[distant helm]

i actually enjoy kb way more in keys compared to the bleed build, nuking a prio target is just fun

[thorn thorn]

Nerf spatter buff KB

[haughty flicker]

its just one is specifically mainhand and one is specifically offhand

[distant helm]

but maybe thats bc im a sub player

[haughty flicker]

iirc

[thorn thorn]

Its considerably less fun when your cleave target gets shit on and you have no damage after it dies

[distant helm]

i guess

[thorn thorn]

Pulling with bosses was fun since you could just shit out cleave with KB and no risk of the target dieing

[haughty flicker]

i just dont like when kb and dm get desynced

its partially skill issue for sure

but it just annoys me

[thorn thorn]

Could be worse

I refuse to let my cds get desynced on any spec I play so I will do anything to ensure they remain synced

Even if that means wasting them

[distant helm]

then im trolling on sub the next few weeks

[prime hull]

This is one thing that is really nice with bleed build.

[humble verge]

9,5h

[balmy condor]

Nice normal logs you casual

[distant helm]

[balmy condor]

Not denying

Just kill it in 5 min

[distant helm]

will prob happen soon

once they give us the next recycled gear upgrade

[balmy condor]

REAL

DELVE BELT TIME

3:30 gally kill

[runic hinge]

Delve belt delve belt. Woooooooooo

[distant helm]

atleast reclears will be quick with this dogshit raid

surely next raid will be better

[lethal arrow]

inb4 ppl complain about next raid being too hard

when we're not juiced 6 ilvls

[swift bluff]

Wait til you see my LFR parse

[runic hinge]

Wait til you see my story mode parse

[swift bluff]

Damnnnn

Touche

[runic hinge]

It’s a 0 I zoned in and let the bots kill it

[swift bluff]

Goated

With the sauce

[dense cove]

Is the new belt out

[swift bluff]

No

Only Hallowfall stuff (3 weeks ago), Dinars (last week) and Horrific Visions this week

[distant helm]

cant have anything that quick m8 thats atleast another 3 weeks timegate

[desert vault]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift bluff]

Wow. fuu too

[true tapir]

You ok bud? That’s a lot of doomin

[fallen orbit]

This

[restive glade]

is fire damage considered magic damage that can be cloaked?

[spice surge]

Fire is considered magic yes

Cloak generally blocks magic damage

[haughty flicker]

until it doesnt

[spice surge]

Some specific spells it doesnt block though, for no apparent reason

[fallen orbit]

yea you find that the hard way 😄

sometimes u are like i just press cloak and run over it

but nope

😄

[copper flare]

at what key level is forced induction favored?

[acoustic kite]

+17s and up from what I’ve been told

[sudden brook]

200

[restive glade]

thx goat

[spice surge]

If its not physical its magic

[vocal cradle]

can assa step the jail on mythic mugzee?

[spice surge]

No

[fallen orbit]

what enchant are u guys taking for m+ ?

head the new one

[west jolt]

#assassination message

Me personally, I'm using Void Ritual for all content until they fix the bugs, Void Ritual seems to be the most stable and not affected by any bugs.

[humble verge]

@balmy condor do you think if i send this to my future girlfriend she would instablock me and dump on the spot

[amber coyote]

anyone else noticing a global occasionally disappearing into the ether during mugzee mythic

[thorn thorn]

69% chance thath appens

[humble verge]

he ignored me

[prime hull]

The temptation not to do weekly keys anymore is very strong...

[haughty flicker]

hes busy doing maplestory weeklies

unlucky

[humble verge]

wait

is he not raiding

oh nvm

they have raid on thursday

[balmy condor]

She better not

[humble verge]

<3

whisp believing i have a chance at getting women

is kinda crazy tho

[balmy condor]

Oh women

Nah

[humble verge]

yeah fuck you

:D

[balmy condor]

I thought you were talking about twink boy toys like muted varas

[humble verge]

varas is muted?

lmao

[balmy condor]

Yah he’s taking a small vacation

All g

[humble verge]

lul

[balmy condor]

He needs the spa day

[runic hinge]

Poor varas. I miss him

[humble verge]

you wanna know what im doing

[runic hinge]

He is the light of my life

The wind beneath my wings

[balmy condor]

Exactly

[humble verge]

trying to figure out why im still up at 4am

for the 4th week in a row

[thorn thorn]

Actually its not 4am

[spice surge]

True its 3:53

[runic hinge]

It’s 21 pm

[spice surge]

Still got 7 minutes

[thorn thorn]

How do you set to military time on discord

[humble verge]

google it

[thorn thorn]

Very funny

I got it

[humble verge]

cock

[thorn thorn]

If only someone had helped me in my time of need

There is no good in the world

[runic hinge]

Idk I’m on mobile so it’s probably just my phone settings

[fathom flax]

Reckon rogue will ever get the ret treatment? 😦

[thorn thorn]

Elaborate on that statement

Buffed? reworked?

[fathom flax]

Por Que los dos

Idk I love rogue, always have since vanilla just feels a bit

Ehhhhhhhh lately

[desert vault]

for bandit do we delay any CDs or anything or just send?

[thorn thorn]

Its amazing how the rogue rework that happened in DF was both incredible but also kept the class feeling outdated compared to other classes

Truly a classic

[fathom flax]

Send first 2 death marks then hold the next til he casts rig the game

[balmy condor]

18:51?

[fathom flax]

And stack with lust etc

[balmy condor]

Hold the first deathmark about 5 seconds, lines up better with adds and then auto lines up kingsbane with adds after, then depending on strat you either send or hold for fire boxes, and then start of p2 it lines up

[fathom flax]

Yeah what he said but in my voice

[sudden brook]

Whats missing from rogue rn

[balmy condor]

Lust is pointless though

Don’t hold for lust

Just slam whatever makes sense for the add cleave so that it lines up for p2 and you don’t miss a cast

[desert vault]

ok, thanks

[sudden brook]

Hard mode, don't mention hero talents (ret paladin hero talents are also a nightmare which is your example)

[fathom flax]

Surely bait

[thorn thorn]

My only issue with sin rn is fatebound

[sudden brook]

Not bait genuine question

[thorn thorn]

And how terribly designed it is

[sudden brook]

What do you feel is missing from rouge rn?

[thorn thorn]

Other than that tho I think class is pretty decent rn

[balmy condor]

A reason for assa to have such a big energy bank with no gameplay around it

[thorn thorn]

Oh yea

That too

[sudden brook]

Well that's just a "right now" problem right

Because VV being so good

[thorn thorn]

And KB being nerfed too

[sudden brook]

IF we ever get a tier set that makes us go more bleeds, less envenom

Wouldnt energy be a thing again?

[balmy condor]

Not really no

[sudden brook]

Half of Nerubar we played around sanguine blades didn't we

[balmy condor]

Like bleed build in m+ pooling above 50% happens at the bottom of the prio list and only accounts for 0.3%

And that’s literally all bleeds

[sudden brook]

What if a tier set actually hard forces sanguine blades and buffs it

[balmy condor]

Realistically it needs something more than just sanguine

[sudden brook]

Sure

[balmy condor]

Cause if sanguine is that good you just have a rule of 150 energy is now 0

Which like yeah I guess

But there’s no actual push to pool or have moments where you can dump effectively

[sudden brook]

I mean that's fair

HOWEVER

[hidden bay]

Is the APL re-write done yet?

[sudden brook]

I feel like thats like

It'd be cool

But also;

I feel like rogue feels so good to play rn, broadly speaking

[balmy condor]

Like as an example of something idea wise, what about a button that you press and it makes all abilities free including cp for a duration, reduces your gcd, and the duration of the effect is based on how much energy you had when you cast it

Ya know

[errant jacinth]

Am I crazy or is Mister Pick-me up shooting lightning off my head while im stealthed and pulling me out of stealth in M+

[balmy condor]

I agree, rogue is better than ever

[fathom flax]

A niche, a specific tangible thing to be good at that other specs or classes aren’t

Good animations, envenom hits like a truck but you get no feedback from it

More rewarding gameplay, the juice isn’t worth the squeeze at the moment, relative to other classes the amount of setup dps can take just doesn’t feel like a fun pay off

[sudden brook]

I feel like genuinly, the only issue with rogue is killing spree exists

and is a talent

Okay so dont mention tuning because tuning is random

Rogue does have a great niche rn

It's execute, and it's passive cleave

Look at how broken rogue looks on stix for example

And look how much of a hero class rogue was on mugzee for a majority of guilds progging the boss post buff

[thorn thorn]

Would an ability dealing damage based on combo points and energy actually matter

Or would it still have the issue of not having to dump properly for pooling to actually matter

[nimble tartan]

i am not a fan of deathmark cause i love freedom to swap more so

[sudden brook]

Sub is in its best state ever, but its undertuned, womp womp

[nimble tartan]

its not so bad but thats just a little ick

[sudden brook]

But that's not a slight against rogue design

[fathom flax]

The hero talent rework is A must and literally every rogue and non-rogue agrees

[sudden brook]

thats just bad balance

[fathom flax]

Disagree

[sudden brook]

Okay

[thorn thorn]

I think deathstalker is.... Fine? I dont like that sometimes your mark gets eaten by a bug

[sudden brook]

I love deathstalker for sin

Feels p shit for sub tho

[thorn thorn]

And you are just fucked if that happens

You just have to hope you have vanish when it happens

[sudden brook]

Trickster is also a great hero talent

[balmy condor]

The problem with just doing that is that it’s probably strong enough to just press whenever, and if you ramp the scaling on it, it’s still just a “press on cooldown, but afk for x seconds beforehand” which isn’t really the vibe I’m trying to get

[sudden brook]

But, killing spree

[thorn thorn]

Fatebound is a janky mess that actually needs to be scrapped and remade entirely

And I will die on this hill

[sudden brook]

wow so brave

[fathom flax]

Again, disagree it’s just all passive stuff that doesn’t do much

[hollow river]

I think it’s close, but there’s still some pain points. Not reverting the Deepening Shadows nerf feels shit after losing Dust imo.

[sudden brook]

U just dont understand what trickster does if you think this

[balmy condor]

I’m trying to get the vibe of like, I’m going into burst and have my envenom buff and there’s adds spawning so I’m using what I have and planned it out

[fathom flax]

You barely change what buttons you hit based on your hero talents

[balmy condor]

Rather than “oh shit big button in 5 seconds, stop pressing buttons”

[sudden brook]

Both outlaw and sub have rules dedicated to playing around the procs and bonuses that trickster provides

You are just wrong

Like str8 up

Outlaw has like 4 different rules dedicated to escallating blade

[fathom flax]

Yeah mad I love rules in my prio list and not like giant hammers or big fuck off demons being summoned

Cool hero talent I guess

[sudden brook]

?

Your complaint was "You barely change what buttons you hit based on hero talents"

You are literally just wrong

[humble verge]

hes looking at you in disgust, but in a tuff way

[sudden brook]

If u want rogue to summon a giant hammer, sure

But trickster as a hero talent alters the gameplay of outlaw a lot

and it used to for sub too, less so now just because things happen to line up efficiently

[thorn thorn]

In terms of how flashy they are I do think the rogue hero talents are extremely weak in that regard

[sudden brook]

Rogue has never been a class of flashy animations

[thorn thorn]

Yeh

[sudden brook]

Which I personally prefer but its a fair complaint

[thorn thorn]

So its not really too surprising

[sudden brook]

I don't want rogue to be shooting laser beams out its eyes

I think the only animation I want for rogue to have is that symbols/dance had the shadow power effect from D3 but even then

Might be a bit too corny

[thorn thorn]

I always thought those things were cool asf

[sudden brook]

Shadow power was so sick

I always played rogue because of it lol

[thorn thorn]

Wings/tendrils, whatever they are

[sudden brook]

I mean but yeah look at Legion, SL

[thorn thorn]

I do wish rogue could get cheat and elusiveness at the same time but that would prolly be a bit too strong

[fathom flax]

I’m sorry man but this is some Stockholm syndrome stuff, why can’t rogue throw poison blood or shadow around when they cast spells?

[sudden brook]

None of the rogue artifacts were that flashy in cast animation, and none of the covenants were either

[thorn thorn]

Cheat can contribute a pretty hefty amount of mitigation overall

[sudden brook]

I never said rogue can't, I just don't really want rogue to be doing that lol

It's caled preference

U can want rogue to be flashier

I've always enjoyed the lowkey vibe of rogue in wow

[thorn thorn]

I have always been a big fan of kingsbane

Legit my favorite ability in the game

But Im madge as fuck its weak rn

[sudden brook]

I love KB, I love KS (If it didnt force move)

I love sectec even if a lot of sub players dont like it

Wish it was a bit more defined

[thorn thorn]

I also really liked Sepsis

[sudden brook]

ER was cool

SBS was an all timer for sure

[fathom flax]

Anyway that’s besides the point tbh, rogue gameplay is stale and dated

The only fun part is the sub window

[sudden brook]

Whats stale and dated about sin rn?

can u elaborate?

[fathom flax]

And that’s broken up with 60 seconds of nothing

[thorn thorn]

If by stale and dated you mean we still envenom for aoe then yea sure I guess

Legion envenom spam for poison bomb

Now we envenom spam for spatter

[fathom flax]

Yeah I mean I guess they added the dry shiv recently

Compelling

[thorn thorn]

And DM

[sudden brook]

Whats dated and stale about sin rn? can u elaborate?

[thorn thorn]

Which I think is a lot more interesting than vendetta ever was

[sudden brook]

I genuinly can't think of a better time to play rogue rn in terms of gameplay than right now

[elfin sapphire]

real and true

[sudden brook]

Maybe Outlaw specifically in SL where there were like, 10 builds, all were viable etc

[thorn thorn]

Its aoe in M+ is also in an incredible state compared to before I think anyway

[nimble tartan]

trickster rules i will never download shit is complicated for me

i just play normal hehe..

[thorn thorn]

The only thing I will say is I think Spatter (and all similar mechanics) are a fundamentally unfun way of doing cleave/aoe

But its always a very strong form of aoe

[sudden brook]

I'd argue the exact opposite

I love that all 3 rogue specs just have blade flurry now

[thorn thorn]

True

I think its lame

I like a little diversity

[humble verge]

time for gn

[thorn thorn]

But its a strong form of cleave

[jade blade]

i think caustic spatter is awesome. I compare it with Ignite

[sudden brook]

Rogue ain't perfect and it never will be, but I think rogue rn owns

[thorn thorn]

True

I say spatter is lame and unfun but I would be lying if I said it wasnt strong

[balmy condor]

I want to multidot

[thorn thorn]

Same

[jade blade]

each spec seems the best its ever been

[balmy condor]

delete spatter

On god

[thorn thorn]

I want multidots to actually matter

I wish spatter only worked on KB so that it would still be decent for cleave

[jade blade]

I think the spec absolutely can't lose spatter, but shifting more power to multidotting would be better

[elfin sapphire]

but if you put more power into multi dot then we dont need spatter

[jade blade]

nah you definitely still need it

[sudden brook]

Hello bleed build

[thorn thorn]

Bleed build is fun

[elfin sapphire]

facts its all ive played in m+ since the tech with 2 rupture talent came to light

[inland dirge]

Caustic Spatter and its consequences have been a disaster for the Assassination Rogue base

[fathom flax]

I want to be on your side but I’m just not.

Old and stale? I’ve been rolling rupture and garrote using envenom as a filler for 10 years man

I’m talking about raid btw, rogue in keys has always been at the sort of upper echelon and brings some utility although these days less due to shroud being not used much

In raid we don’t have much utility at all, the DR poison is nice but is also one of the easiest to drop. For a spec that is focused around ST damage it’s pretty disappointing that other specs are simply higher ST, the highest rogue on sprocket atm is #229

Would a lot of my issues be resolved if rogues were tuned a bit better? Almost definitely but at the end of the day I just want a bit of life breathed into the class I’ve played since vanilla haha

(Sorry I’m at work so hard to keep up)

[inland escarp]

Aoe exsang 😆

[sudden brook]

"we've been rolling garrote and rupture for 10 years"

Yeah that's what assassination does. Same way warrior has been pressing execute and colossus smash for years

Again, tuning isn't a design issue

Tuning is a nob that is literally random

And it's not like rogue is bad, or the Dr itself

[maiden sierra]

always been an exsang hater, but an aoe one thats weak in st but strong in aoe would be nice for a full bleed build in m+

[sudden brook]

Even with rogue being "okay" all tier. Everybody played 1 rogue

[maiden sierra]

id love an ability that extends the dot duration of garrote in aoe as well

not passive so that it does not have infinite duration (like current slice and dice 💀)

[fathom flax]

Rogue is mid, meh at best

[sudden brook]

Ok

[maiden sierra]

in m+ rogue is good, in raid its meh.

[sudden brook]

In raid it's decent

[fathom flax]

This

[sudden brook]

Above average

[subtle oyster]

Fight design and what the raid asks you to do often has a lot more to do with it rather than, X spec is good or bad

[sudden brook]

Yeah sub was op on prog

Mega role player

[fathom flax]

Least represented class isn’t it? Like this isn’t just my feelings the whole community outside this discord has moved away from rogue

[maiden sierra]

wont lie, i dont think i was closer to rerolling main class than this tiers raid... not a fan of current sin in raid.
although the current sin rogue is the best it has ever felt in m+ and i love it there.

[subtle oyster]

I’d also argue that if you’re not going for HOF your ability to provide the right damage profile and consistent performance will impact whether you see raid raid time

[sudden brook]

Why do I care about how popular the spec is

[fathom flax]

You can see the forest from the trees man

[sudden brook]

Sub was the strongest spec in the entire game in amidrasil, it was also the least played class

[maiden sierra]

and im not talking damage, but the actual feel of playing the spec

[sudden brook]

There's a lot of compounding issues that make rogue unpopular

But what makes unappealing to many is the entire reason many of the mains play it

Like yes, would rogue be 10x more popular if the dumbed it down to the level of ret paladin. Obviously the answer is yes

But I don't want rogue to be ret paladin

I want rogue to be rogue

Bm hunter and ret are the most popular dps specs in the game, but that doesn't mean the answer here is turn every spec into bm/ret

[maiden sierra]

every patch the rotation gets easier, we lose another button for the sake of "less button bloat" we are evenom the spec with multiple moments per fight where we afk for energy.

i dont know about you but the sin that i loved changed a lot from what i wanted.
(im a fan of the kingsbane ramp in s3 dragonflight)

[subtle oyster]

King for a day: a shorter CD on AOE blind and make smokebomb kinda like darkness and keys would feel like we bring more than just a damage profile

[maiden sierra]

smoke bomb gives evassion to every party member inside of it. (hire me blizz)

[fathom flax]

I mean yeah, this is literally where you and I are currently seeing it differently

[sudden brook]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-worthless-gravity-falls-dipper-pines-worthless-gif-25136060

[maiden sierra]

tell that to my warriors, that in multiple bosses throughout multiple seasons die to add phases in dungeons or raid bosses because they get insta agro and meleed to death

[subtle oyster]

No like an actual DR

[vagrant brook]

smoke bomb aoe kick

[fathom flax]

Do they inherit the 20% magic dr too?

[maiden sierra]

is say so

aoe evassions is massive

you guys are insane to think its useless

[subtle oyster]

If you had an AOE evasion it would do nothing on heavy AOE damage phases like last boss in brew

[maiden sierra]

soo many raid bosses where it saves lives

[maiden sierra]

crazy how certain utility is meant for certain scenarios

like a deathnight grip being insane utility in add fights but useless in st bosses

crazy

[subtle oyster]

Most party/raid AOE in this game is magic damage

[maiden sierra]

if you want a 2nd darkness

play a 2nd dh

https://tenor.com/view/homer-day-dreaming-thinking-simpsons-gif-8949118

[runic hinge]

I want uhh kidney to not cost energy and combo points

[maiden sierra]

real

[rocky violet]

buff Vigor while they at it

[subtle oyster]

you’re missing the point but ok

[runic hinge]

I’ve been doing visions and I go to kidney something and it’s immune and I’m like well it probably would be dead if I just sent damage but back to builders

[maiden sierra]

no youre missing the point

class design exists for a reason

what you want is what already exists

you dont want this but in new flavor

you want something new that stands out

[subtle oyster]

There’s a balance between niche and what is universally good

[runic hinge]

What if we had a poison that made enemies take 3% more damage

[subtle oyster]

A good niche is a damage profile

[runic hinge]

All damage

[rocky sluice]

guys I wanna talk about mythic gallywix.. are you guys holding 2nd death mark until the wave of adds?

[elfin sapphire]

which adds?

[maiden sierra]

do you want me to list a list of bosses where aoe evassion would make raid bosses piss easy?

its going to be a long ass list

[rocky sluice]

around 2:50ish

[runic hinge]

Rik reverb pre nerf

[elfin sapphire]

is that with the 4 gobs and 2 techs?

at least for me during my prog I was just ripping off cd when I had kb lined up for it

[subtle oyster]

You’re good bro we can agree to disagree you’re refusing the see the point I’m making

[maiden sierra]

your point is that you want to be a dh

[balmy condor]

You hold your 1min kb cause it’s during a move

Then it’s just on cd

[maiden sierra]

speaking about mythic gally... man was i dissapointed

less than 60 pulls prog...

[runic hinge]

I agree and maybe we’ll get called blizzard shills but rogue is fun as hell rn

[maiden sierra]

we have 4.5 hours of prog on that boss

[elfin sapphire]

lucky

think my guild took about 120ish pulls

was super duper fun!

[maiden sierra]

i think we had 4 p2 pulls in total...

[elfin sapphire]

20-30 or something for me

[maiden sierra]

when did you kill yours?

[elfin sapphire]

2 weeks ago I think

[maiden sierra]

my guild killed it today so we did have massive gear advantage

[elfin sapphire]

yeah mine just a few loose screws in the raid

some people came prepared some didnt

[maiden sierra]

ours too, 1 of our tanks looked up the raid plan (for the first time) during break time 💀

[worthy rose]

whats the alternative to the bleed build for sin

[elfin sapphire]

hybrid build

using DTB and KB

[maiden sierra]

do not reccomend hybrid in anything bellow a 14

[fathom flax]

It can be fun and also still need improvement, two things can be true at the same time

[elfin sapphire]

[maiden sierra]

i went into a 12 in hybrid with an arcane mage...

i went entire dungeon not suing kinsbane/deathmark on trash

[worthy rose]

is this hybrid

[maiden sierra]

prio targets just dont live long

[maiden sierra]

no

[worthy rose]

wait what is this build then

[maiden sierra]

st

[worthy rose]

wait fuck

wrong copy pasta

hold up

this is the one i was toying with i think

wowhead doesnt list your talent pages in order when you click into them

[runic hinge]

That’s just the cleave build

[maiden sierra]

thats the hybrid build

not cleave

[wise plume]

that aint hybrid

[runic hinge]

It’s has no imp garrote and takes venomous wounds

Also forced induction

[maiden sierra]

oh wait yeah it has some things wrong

[wise plume]

thats zeros high key build

[worthy rose]

thats chainbleeds build

[maiden sierra]

ah zeros build

[worthy rose]

im copyin whatever my boi chainbleed does till i win

[runic hinge]

Good luck in your 10’s

[worthy rose]

im up to 15s

[wise plume]

yea godspeed

[worthy rose]

who tf is progging 10s

[maiden sierra]

i do not reccomend copying neash build ran by people doing 18s

[worthy rose]

*niche

[elfin sapphire]

most of the community

[polar rampart]

sudden demise triggers instantly in 10s

[maiden sierra]

i speak 4 languages, give me a break buddy.

[worthy rose]

all im sayin

im copyin whatever my boi chainbleed is doin

and im up to 15's

a wins a win

[balmy condor]

Do you speak murlok.io

[worthy rose]

sometimes

[maiden sierra]

hey if youre not last on the meters who cares

[worthy rose]

u just gotta play better

[runic hinge]

Mrglgrgl

[balmy condor]

Yeah that sounds about right

[maiden sierra]

no, ive not used that website since it launched eons ago

[elfin sapphire]

lets see archons card

[runic hinge]

Wait I have a gif

[balmy condor]

Equally gibberish

[runic hinge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/924436307202174976/1170474444624511078/giphy.gif

[elfin sapphire]

how about a bis list my friend

[worthy rose]

yall overthinking this shit too much

[maiden sierra]

god i love me a bis list

[balmy condor]

Equally gibberish

[worthy rose]

who cares murlok or archon

just play better

dont think just do

unga bunga

[runic hinge]

Wish you would

[elfin sapphire]

and comcast?

[balmy condor]

redacted

[maiden sierra]

@balmy condor can we get a bis list of every bis list youve made over the years. which one was youre favorite?

[elfin sapphire]

[worthy rose]

sir this is WoW not chess

dont think just do

unga bunga

[runic hinge]

Oh I’m not doing any thinking. I can assure you of that.

[worthy rose]

super based

[maiden sierra]

every pug ive been inn moments before they die to dodge able aoe

[worthy rose]

just tell them thats a skill issue

[elfin sapphire]

cant tell that to french/german or russian people, I get flamed in there native tongue and have a back and fourth with them with google translate

[worthy rose]

hit them with this gif

[maiden sierra]

i love me a russian pug

[thorn thorn]

The same can be said for many classes

[worthy rose]

you either die a hero or live long enough to become the cyka blyat

[maiden sierra]

they are either the worst terrorists in your life

[elfin sapphire]

[thorn thorn]

Evoker is pretty unpopular along with rogue

[maiden sierra]

or absolute god gamers carrying keys

[elfin sapphire]

never experienced one

[maiden sierra]

they need to be a russian premade

[elfin sapphire]

EU is just filled with brain idle idiots

[barren yarrow]

real quick wtf way should i stand in sprocket

[worthy rose]

hold up

[elfin sapphire]

including myself

[worthy rose]

people are syaing rogues are complex?

[maiden sierra]

me and my guild call them coinflips

[worthy rose]

rogues aint complex

sure it aint a ret pally

but i dont think bleed build is that complex is it

the real complexity is subtlety or outlaw

[thorn thorn]

Outlaw is complex

[worthy rose]

outlaw in not getting urself killed by KS

[elfin sapphire]

I call them avoids

same with sanguino

[worthy rose]

have you seen the kinda shit killing spree could put you in

[thorn thorn]

Any spec that needs a WA to figure out shit is way too complex imo but some people like it

[worthy rose]

[maiden sierra]

i live for the gamble

[thorn thorn]

Not for me

[elfin sapphire]

bigger man then me thats all im saying

[worthy rose]

to be fair the weakaura to keep track of dots is almost mandatory for bleed build

the base game of WoW is pretty dogshit

you need a lot of weakauras to make it good

[maiden sierra]

fuck, i just spend like an hour yappin in here instead of working on my final coursework...

[worthy rose]

alot of content would almost be unplayable without dbm even

[thorn thorn]

I just have my plater track my bleeds

[worthy rose]

base game of wow can do with a massive overhaul

[thorn thorn]

No WA necessary

[worthy rose]

plater too

but yeah

but that still goes to show you do need a game modifier to make it work

[elfin sapphire]

coursework is overrated, but gl with whatever your writing

[worthy rose]

or make quality of life significantly better

base game of WoW just sucks

[thorn thorn]

DBM not quite as required as people think it is you may be surprised to know

[maiden sierra]

im making a graphics program for uni

its still a bit scuffed

[elfin sapphire]

a bit

[worthy rose]

the sun direction shadow seems a bit incorrect

for it to be 3:30pm

[elfin sapphire]

yeah

[worthy rose]

the shadow should be more to the right i think

[maiden sierra]

shadow is correct according to sun location

(that yellow orb is the sun)

[thorn thorn]

Thanks I didnt know

[maiden sierra]

[thorn thorn]

Can you mark it with a red circle tho

Im having trouble finding it

[worthy rose]

the shadow may be correct in relation to the position of the sun but what we're saying is i dont think the sun is in that position at 3:30pm

[elfin sapphire]

and with that, I have now looked at my clock and realised its 4;30am for me. Gn gamers

[thorn thorn]

Hm I still cant find it, can you add more circles and arrows

[maiden sierra]

i made it so the sun is out between 8 and 20

if i wanted realisim i would prob do between 6-18

but i live on iceland so my view of the sun is off either way

since during summer the sun is out for 22 hours a day

and during winter its out for 4 hours a day...

[worthy rose]

ah fair enough

[balmy condor]

Is that the green one or the ice one

[maiden sierra]

i guess green?

even though its only green for like 4-5 months

then its brown or covered in snow

[runic hinge]

Most people don’t realize the bosses will say the same specific things for each mechanic

[maiden trench]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zv62maFLJpQRrMxB?fight=19

anyone able to tell me what is wrong with my damage?

maybe its my rota?

my sim shows me at 2.43 mil

[thorn thorn]

I went all of S1 and got ksh without dbm/wigs or dungeon WA packs just to prove that its actually really easy to do

No plater is a no-go tho

[fallow canopy]

You barely sniffed execute range king

[coral ibex]

i dont see an issue?

[thorn thorn]

Its actually impossible to know whats happening in large packs without plater because base UI nameplates are dogshit awful

[maiden trench]

got it thanks

[maiden sierra]

OH MAN this is a vibe

[runic hinge]

Very true

[thorn thorn]

5 things cast spells and they squish together and you cant figure out quickly which is which

Actually unusably bad

[uncut dragon]

Does gushing wounds trigger off FOK and spatter or just direct attacks?

[balmy condor]

All hits

It doesn’t aoe though

[gilded oasis]

wahoo CE obtained

[little tulip]

so uh echoing void? i saw the pins but it might be better than accident pulls?

also looking outside ?_?

[runic hinge]

Me and Stu are so proud

[gilded oasis]

ty tony & Stu

[hollow talon]

Grats

How long did gally take?

Our team just started

[gilded oasis]

109 pulls we had 3 nights on it

[lethal arrow]

means my guild kills it next week then

[hollow talon]

Nice

We are sniffing p2 after today

[regal linden]

really? magnet better than mythic signet?

[gilded oasis]

Theres like 1.5 scary parts then it's not bad

[worthy rose]

probably depends on fight

like how kezan is better than seaforium for long fights type shi

[worthy rose]

rip yall out here mythic gallying

my guild still progging heroic gally

theyr a good group of people tho so theyr fun to be around

[wise plume]

all that matters

finally made it

[grave trail]

Dint know that was possible this late into the patch and all the power lol, not trying to make fun just interesting

[gloomy heart]

this could be if i wasn’t getting only sockets from vault

[bronze fox]

!tea

[prisma monolith]

Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[worthy rose]

Yeah theyr a good group of people

But a bit chillax on gameplay

Whispyr thinks I’m the memelord but he has yet to see true memes

[wise plume]

I’ve yet to take a single socket

[gloomy heart]

don’t jinx it

[lucid basalt]

Hello can someone help me with sim for ST ?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5EtGoFqe8JVi1hAbgx3MpY

I dunno which options i should use to get best outcome

Progressing mugzee

[gloomy heart]

omg the sub rog god! # 1 !

[compact moth]

are we just useless on first pull mechagon

[rotund oak]

are we supposed to know the mdt route or something

[compact moth]

are far as stopping them

[rotund oak]

yeah prolly

unless u hiding some aoe stun or something

on rogue kit

[compact moth]

well i main enhance and second play assa so i just feel useless not having 2 aoe stops

just one kick and sitting back the rest of thr group can stop them

[rotund oak]

u can ditch 2nd shiv for IW if u feel useless

but thats how far u can get pretty much

[lucid basalt]

Why am i beign ignored

[rotund oak]

u arent

i just dont raid 😛

ask whispyr or quake

idk

ild help if i knew the fight in mythic

[unreal tide]

mug mythic all that matters is the burn phase after 40%, what is your actual question... the sim is telling you the best gear, you can shorten the timer down from 5 min cause that section doesn't exist for that long, light movement might help you as well and then use latest instead of nightly. will get you directionally closer i guess

[golden loom]

Think you should use latest instead of nightly, otherwise it looks correct

But idk theres nothing special to sim for when it comes to mugzee imo

[waxen oyster]

I mean that's a very normal sim

[red schooner]

Equip biggest number, idk

[unreal tide]

if you have even an LFR eye it prob is better than ur trinkets, to sim eye of kezan value in a end of fight burn phase you can use expert mode within the sim on 3 min (for mug) with this string in the footer but its really not that serious.

override.precombat_state=buff.eye_of_kezan.stack=20

[waxen oyster]

i dont recall how much spatter and ib is on a patchwerk sim

[candid ocean]

which helm thing are we using?

[sudden brook]

what do u want us to say

whats the question even

[waxen oyster]

how do i raise my st sim big streamer man

[sudden brook]

get better gear

[waxen oyster]

XD

real

ig for an st sim

talent ib

go brown orc

go depths

[sudden brook]

Well its mugzee so no

U play Caustic

[waxen oyster]

yeah ik

im just saying for the sake of sim number

not the boss

[waxen oyster]

how does void elf work btw

prob not a gain if im only doing the very last jail set right

[lucid basalt]

Is it normal ive 10k haste

13,4k crit

16,k mastery

And 6k versa

[buoyant herald]

seems fine to me

[gloomy heart]

nah you want 60k haste and 0 mast

[sudden brook]

It is

Just go velf its so nice for both mugzee and gally

[waxen oyster]

what does it even do on gally

[gloomy heart]

i feel like a spy in this discord

i don’t even play my rog anymore….

[sudden brook]

U can get over the beams in in p3 or whatever phase its even called

U can just run but velf is free no uptime lost just 1 global

[lucid basalt]

Btw on 6 cp ive ctw ready and blindside proc its better to use fok instead another multilate right ? Please dont link guide simple question

[waxen oyster]

How does velf racial even work

[royal lantern]

you press racechange and turn ultra cringe because its a elf

[gloomy heart]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[lucid basalt]

I better go ask sub channel

How can i turn off notification from this channel

[ocean root]

Hey guys! As long stat weights on raidbots are not updated, how do you chech your stat weights on assa?

[gloomy heart]

Turn on DND

[royal lantern]

check what statweight on raidbots literally says with big words mate

"dont use this"

[royal lantern]

wdym

[ocean root]

I know

Thsts why im asking how do you check your stats?

[royal lantern]

ita 6cp, you Press a finisher lol

[waxen oyster]

you dont

you press topgear

and equip what it says

[gloomy heart]

sub rog brain

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure sub finishes at 6 too

[royal lantern]

stat weight has "dont use this" in big letters because you should literally not use it

[bronze plover]

as long as i remember i had argue with whysper that ends stats doesnt matter for assassination just play with whatever u have

[lucid basalt]

I needd to consume a buff

[feral mason]

I think ill use it

[lucid basalt]

How do i finish at 6

[haughty flicker]

its not just assa, nobody should be using stat weights in the year of our lord 2025

thats why its been phased out by raidbots in the first place

[gloomy heart]

just press a button to get 7 duh

throw dagger to 7 and use

🙂

[haughty flicker]

on specs where stats matter more you still sim topgear and droptimizer not sim stat wieghts and yolo it

[royal lantern]

well, you didnt say that one

if you have VV skilled, you never use the FoK proc at all and just slam mut/ambush for CP

if you dont have VV skilled, eh i would personaly do the FoK proc there

[worthy rose]

guys

i need a groupthink here right

bleed build damage breakdown

[bronze plover]

if ur lingering darkness is still active use fan of knives because it consume less enegry and its neutral campare to mutilate during lingering but if its not active just use mutilate\

[waxen oyster]

i use to hold my ctw procs

for those scenarios

[worthy rose]

should i take the talent of 10% poison damage extra or the serrated bone spikes

serrated is doing about 100mil

[lucid basalt]

Thats what i asked

Thank you

[haughty flicker]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[worthy rose]

but if caustic spatter is poison damage +10% it would be an extra 60mil and then deadly poison doing damage would be like 30mil

so itd be about the same

[royal lantern]

wowhead

[worthy rose]

its a tossup

[gloomy heart]

just throw dagger

[feral mason]

bone spike has more value than just the damage

[gloomy heart]

ez

[runic hinge]

sbs is just too clean

[waxen oyster]

you forgot the dps value of saving the gcds

[sudden brook]

U press it, it fires out a little puddle, and then u press it again to TP to it

[worthy rose]

what value does it provide?

[knotty canopy]

On Gallywix Mythic, do u guys target swap on the adds? Or just cleave them with splatter?

[feral mason]

combo point generation in openers?

[royal lantern]

cp generation, another stack of lethal dose

and its technically kinda a 2pointer cus you are forced to take doomblade aswell

[waxen oyster]

im assuming it fires straight

[royal lantern]

no it fires gay

[sudden brook]

Yeah it fires gay

[runic hinge]

wish i fired striaght

[feral mason]

literally me

[royal lantern]

(yes it goes in the direction you look at)

[runic hinge]

WHAT THE HELLY

[waxen oyster]

We still got 2 weeks

before every corporation pretends they care

for a month

[feral mason]

WHAT THE HELLYBURTON

[runic hinge]

unreal game

[feral mason]

i am hateful to everyone all year round

[polar rampart]

same

[solid saffron]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[native turret]

fuck you bald headed bitch

[waxen oyster]

Lol

we need to do last mine set

[haughty flicker]

[waxen oyster]

grats

wait do you pot opener

[native turret]

yes

we pot opener, lust at 2nd dash

we skip last mine set

[lethal arrow]

W

[native turret]

we skip first frost boots

[waxen oyster]

most logs im seeing do

[lethal arrow]

didnt pot the transition

[native turret]

nope

better to make sure you dont get frost boots and get 2 pots in fight

[waxen oyster]

what 2nd dash

[native turret]

his 2nd dash in transition

phase 2.5 or whatever

[waxen oyster]

hes already 13% during the first mine set after shooting

[native turret]

what

i meant after 2nd jails

thats when we lust after 2nd dash after 2nd jail set

[lethal arrow]

oh jesus

wtf

late ass lust

[native turret]

lines up with 3rd cds almost

[waxen oyster]

i guess i can second a pot a kb at the end

[native turret]

its the least chaotic part to get damage in

[gloomy heart]

who would you kiss mug or zee

[lethal arrow]

thats lowkey a griefer lust im ngl

[waxen oyster]

i mean we lust right as he transitions

[native turret]

mug is way cuter

[waxen oyster]

at 40

[native turret]

we hold

for cds

we dont lust as soon as he transitions

just depends on when you transition and your raid's damage

[lethal arrow]

yeah thats a good timer rn for lust

on the fence transition since its free dmg and ur entire raid is most likely alive

[native turret]

yeah, we all live until 3rd mine set tbh

[lethal arrow]

holding for post 3rd jails might be a psycho call

[native turret]

maybe 1 death there

[waxen oyster]

its basically

[native turret]

yeah, no one holds for that long lol

[waxen oyster]

transition right after finger gun to remove debuff

[native turret]

we dont need finger gun

lol

we ignore the adds

they dont do that much damage

he never gets a chance to finger gun with our damage and we dont hold

[lethal arrow]

ur raid leads might be psychos

[native turret]

lmao

[lethal arrow]

LOL

[waxen oyster]

idk about our healers

[lethal arrow]

we hate our healers type shit

[native turret]

our healers built different

[waxen oyster]

except our priest is floor pov

[native turret]

maybe

[waxen oyster]

perma

[native turret]

lmfao

[waxen oyster]

i'm gonna be honest

i've never raided with a priest healer

that wasnt dead

[native turret]

this tho

[waxen oyster]

mostly

[lethal arrow]

it just happens

low mobility class

and they have a cheat death

so it works out

[waxen oyster]

isnt disc better

[native turret]

we have a disc and a holy

[lethal arrow]

yeah probably but my raid has a holy

[native turret]

and rdruid and rsham

[lethal arrow]

works out just fine in our raid

[waxen oyster]

and weirdly enough

the best priest healers i've played with

always say holy is braindead

[native turret]

holy is so good in raid

not that disc isnt but

holy is goated

[lethal arrow]

holy is quite good

[native turret]

holy in keys? get the fuck outta here

wheres my 22 mil shield

[waxen oyster]

all i know is

i regularly see an angel form during raid nights

on cd

[native turret]

lmfao

hes putting it to use

use every cooldown

[haughty flicker]

if its not on cd you're losing uses

inefficient gaming

[native turret]

^

[waxen oyster]

thats how i justify proccing my cheat

[haughty flicker]

proc cheat on cd to get true value

[waxen oyster]

on something i could have moved

[red schooner]

me with cheat death

[waxen oyster]

[native turret]

push evasion and run into a bomb straight on to scare your raid leads

[lethal arrow]

now thats tech

evasion dodges bomb dmg?

[native turret]

you can be backup bomb catcher

yeah

[waxen oyster]

i learned another night

that evasion prevents damage from it dropping on you

[lethal arrow]

wish i knew that before we killed on tuesday

[waxen oyster]

too

[native turret]

yeah it just depends on the angle

[lethal arrow]

wuldv saved a pull or two

[native turret]

if you run into it at an angle with evasion

it will kill you

destroy your butthole

[lethal arrow]

has to be straight on

nice

[native turret]

yep

[waxen oyster]

i mean straight up it drops on yo head

[native turret]

or land on top of you

[waxen oyster]

by standing in the swirl

[restive glade]

the angle really changes it what the fuck

[native turret]

yes

thats why rik doesnt work anymore

i think

[lethal arrow]

yeah cuz evasion is front dodge only

[haughty flicker]

evasion is a dodge so you have to be facing it

[native turret]

^

[lethal arrow]

but also weird its gone from rik

[haughty flicker]

rik one they just hotfixed to fuck with us

[native turret]

lmao

[waxen oyster]

so whats frontal about it dropping on me

directly

[native turret]

idk

ask the devs

[lethal arrow]

not that it matters since its boss 3

[native turret]

but byoys

boys

look what i got

[haughty flicker]

if its directly on your model its overlapping your front

[red schooner]

What's aoe about half the shit feint works on. Game is inconsistent as shit

[haughty flicker]

blizzard just be weird

[waxen oyster]

how tf

did your dh dinar it

[native turret]

yes

how did u know

our dh tank did dinar it

[waxen oyster]

well dh its bis for

and you're inting if you dont have magic buff

[native turret]

it was 2.89% for me, 1.10% for him

hes a tank

im big burly dps

[waxen oyster]

oh

[lethal arrow]

time to play outlaw

or something

[native turret]

i do play outlaw

i only played assa in keys and mugzee

im an impostor

[lethal arrow]

weird guy

[waxen oyster]

hold on do you not have any other capo specs

[native turret]

no

none in the fight

lol

[restive glade]

ivw been thinking about it and does anyone else feel like leech is useless stat

(the amt we get on rogue at least)

[native turret]

our enhance shammy wasnt in for mugzee

[plain spruce]

how would you guys go about simming for mythic mugzee? patchwerk and not think about it?

[native turret]

just do single target.

its 90% single target

you splatter on jails

[waxen oyster]

does enhance like capo

[native turret]

then punch mugzee in the nuts

[waxen oyster]

thought they played iron thumb

[native turret]

not as much as gally thumb

they do