assassination

[shy creek]

haste/mastery is actually broken outlaw stats

[royal lantern]

sorry that happend

[shy creek]

trust

[runic hinge]

And I pressed killing spree and decided I’m pressing n

[lethal arrow]

sorry for ur hands

[red schooner]

I have a big haste neck just cos it simmed better. Rik neck is alright

[shy creek]

^ hatse neck even sims better in my M+ builds

[runic hinge]

I was willing to try outlaw until I had a killing spree send me in 18 different directions and I almost threw up cause I was unprepared for how that spell works

[red schooner]

Stole it from the warlock cos it simmed better for me than it did for them. All is well

[shy creek]

play outlaw as ur 4fun 12 farm spec

and just dont use ks

thats what i do

[runic hinge]

This was on an alt rogue I was doing the event for the offhand for

[royal lantern]

[runic hinge]

And uhh yeah I logged out and I won’t be logging back into that rogue unless something changes with outlaw or sub cause idk. I don’t think either play all that great rn

[shy creek]

Outlaw felt really good last season, the addition of killing spree being as strong as it is made it sorta misery to play

i like killing spree thematically

but practically, its too much to deal with

[runic hinge]

Someone suggested a weakaura that turns your whole screen black when you press it and I contemplated that lol

[shy creek]

LMFAO

Playing KS is like praying ur not gonna die anyway

So u may sa well just turn monitor off during it

[runic hinge]

Just close your eyes and let Jesus take the wheel

[royal lantern]

using killing Spree, your screen turns black

[shy creek]

amen

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/skyrim-awake-discord-skyrim-intro-skyrim-intro-discord-gif-22633629

[runic hinge]

Oh god Todd Howard has done it again

[red schooner]

My raid team continue to astound me. Last night we had a Ret pally on bandit coin duty because the ranged couldn't be trusted

[prisma coral]

did he do a good job?

[shy creek]

that is

.

[red schooner]

Yeah coins were great

[shy creek]

i dont even have words for that

[red schooner]

His damage, understandably not good but like, he's on coins

[red schooner]

It went smoother with our Ret on the coins than with our ranged on the coins

[prisma coral]

dope dude to do that, too bad the reason was probably lost on them

[red schooner]

Nah our raid leader is like "the fuck are you ranged doing why do we have to resort to this monstrosity"

But it's either this or coins are an absolute shit show

[shy creek]

thats actually diabolical

not one consistent ranged player

????

[red schooner]

Yeah it's so fucked

[shy creek]

itd not even like a mobile class

its ret paladin

[prisma coral]

ehhh ret is more mobile than you think

but thats not the point

everyone wanted to parse or die at the same time I would imagine.

[coral ibex]

insane that there isn't one reliable ranged

but once again every problem in this raid is just a ranged player issue

[red schooner]

Yeah, sprocket was a snooze fest as melee

Bandit, also pretty easy as melee

[prisma coral]

agree, why in this dudes case they cant all take the day off

[runic hinge]

Even the rik barrel convo is about range griefing and not hitting the lone far barrel and just trying to cleave off boss

[prisma coral]

haha yeah very true

[subtle tundra]

miau

[kind forge]

That makes me so mad

[haughty flicker]

what the fuck

[cedar iron]

bandit was ass before the line got twice as long

[red schooner]

it's fine we can make it work probably

[kind forge]

„I can only deal dmg to the barrels at the boss, especially if I send darkglare“

[shy creek]

if that guy ever leaves ur guild

ur guild is cooked

[prisma coral]

you need to just always be looking for a naive BM hunter who just wants to be included

[red schooner]

nah it'll be me on coins probably

[golden loom]

World First coin Rogue in that case atleast

Fuck it outlaw and grapple around

[red schooner]

We have a new BM hunter trial so maybe we can get him on it but ye idk I just do what I'm told

[prisma coral]

jokes aside I like having a job to do like that

[red schooner]

I do not make decisions I just hit boss and life is okay

I am on token deposit duty at least

[dawn seal]

Oh shit yeah

Thank u so much

I was waiting to get better gear 😅

[loud hearth]

I did a coin on our kill

And couple on our prog.
When melee baited the wrong direction

[wild horizon]

Hi, when you have a Darkest night proc and you land on 6 CP, do you mutilate for 1 CP to consume the proc or do you Envenom and wait for it to land naturally on 7 to consume it ?

[jade abyss]

Press mutilate except you can refresh garrote for that 1 cp

[wild horizon]

Thanks

[loud hearth]

You can also FoK if not playing Viscious Venoms talent (or 2+ targets).

[plucky patio]

Any specific Tips for mugzee mythic progress?

[royal lantern]

dont trigger mines

[earnest remnant]

dont stand on the mines

rupture snipe adds

hit boss

done deal

[rotund oak]

ive seen u,in game that is

[humble verge]

dont die

[royal lantern]

learning the difference bettwen Left and Right is good aswell

[red schooner]

well my raid team is fucked

[earnest remnant]

good thing with the "new" strat

you only gotta learn left and right for the start of the fight

so rejoice

[red schooner]

listen we're currently using a Ret pally as coin person on bandit, don't underestimate our ability to fuck up mechanics

[humble verge]

@balmy condor go to sleep bud

[mystic crest]

maplestory grinding i bet

[haughty flicker]

[subtle tundra]

he can grind ON me

[fresh mica]

is there anything we replace our circelt with ?

like expcet mythic jastor

[red schooner]

Depends on the SIM results. Some people are able to swap it with heroic jastors + myth track rings, some aren't.

There's not really a one size fits all answer

[rotund oak]

but but u are a str8 male

[fresh mica]

ok ty

[rotund oak]

[subtle tundra]

yeah and

fr though i can be straight and make a guy feel good

doesnt mean i love it

so im straight

[rotund oak]

you got a point there

can only respect that

[rotund oak]

bro must have drunk like 10 energy drinks and couple injected str8 into his bloodstream

next time he goes to sleep he will need an elder vampire like the awakening in underworld or something

😂

[humble verge]

can u confirm from stream?

[haughty flicker]

i can confirm

not from stream though i just live in his walls

[rotund oak]

bel is reliable source

[rotund oak]

rly?

[haughty flicker]

ye its not bad

[rotund oak]

he looks like a nice guy,dont get me wrong,just skeptical of the claim

[past marten]

That's the level of commitment we need in 2025

[rotund oak]

yup overloading your system with taurine to stay awake

next step is sniffing on jet fuel

[grand comet]

just getting back on rogue trying to gear it before s3, is this no KB build for m+ legit or is it troll?

[earnest remnant]

it be da legit

[lavish wing]

there should be a petition for Whispyr to put one troll build per season on wowhead 😄

[distant plinth]

hybrid build is the best now i think, merk swapped around custom apl apperently

#assassination message

[sick mantle]

Does this mean that we use crafted dagger in both MH and OH?

From Archon

[plush umbra]

it means that a lot of people made a dagger, and not everyone has been able to replace their mainhand one yet

double dagger crafts is a bit troll, unless you have a spark that you have absolutely nothing else to do with

[golden loom]

And you deffo want a higher ilvl dagger in mainhand if available

[humble verge]

dont look at archon

[plush umbra]

it just aggregates data from ingame, and since crafted daggers are the most common dagger you'll see, they show up very high in usage for both offhand and mainhand

[sick mantle]

Was just checking what people are rolling, but ye makes sense.

[plush umbra]

yeah if you're unsure about weapons, just make a single dagger and you're fine (unless you already have a 684 dagger)

[golden loom]

For raid alteast ur still gonna want crafted offhand for the embelishment so

[vivid tundra]

hc energy drink outsims seaforium hc by like 20k in dung slice, is that normal?

[humble verge]

didnt need to pay for my prescription today

[spice sentinel]

About the same for me and within 1k on st

[little tulip]

okay but what would bleed build in raid look like

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokémon-clodsire-man-space-gif-6489546839835594821

[radiant yoke]

If I have to use the junk master trinket, it's good to macro onto kingsbane
for the most part?

[red schooner]

You run it on Rik to demise mind controlled allies

[red schooner]

Is that the magnet one? If so, you want to use it when you have lingering darkness up

[radiant yoke]

Ohh

[spice surge]

The same as the m+ one unfortunately

[humble verge]

me doing tank dps progressing bosses

oh

whisp killed mug yesterday

[subtle tundra]

wr 3 billion

[ivory moon]

you rly play without kingsbane and better garrote m+?

[spice surge]

Not both at the same time

But yes you can play without kingsbane by going full bleed

Or you can go more ST focused without improved garrote

Would recommend bleed though

[ivory moon]

im dealing like 0 boss dmg xd i feel ashame

[glacial relic]

Go hybrid and tell your tank to pull some adds into boss for ruptures

[spice surge]

Hybrid does the same (or less) ST than bleed

You'd have to swap to the FI versions for more ST

But again, who cares if you do low ST when youre destroying everything else

[ivory moon]

thank you for your help appreciate it ❤️

[royal lantern]

man fuck

if we didnt had those stupid 0,3% wipes, i could have memed longer

[subtle tundra]

imagine having low % wipes when you have a billion million dps

12% dmg buff, 40 ilvls

[royal lantern]

tell that out warrior that swapped to fury for the last half hour of the raid without telling anyone

:3

and varas

dmg doesnt matter

literally never did

no guild outside of the top 100wipes on dmg

they wipe cus people are dumb and die all the time to nothing

[subtle tundra]

we did

[royal lantern]

we have like 3 deaths every single time mugzee does his 3 charges, idk how, but we do

[subtle tundra]

this was definetly a dmg issue

[royal lantern]

and when did you do that Fight again

with people that can PLAY the game?

[subtle tundra]

omg youre right im just flaming you im so sorry im bored asf i apologize

[royal lantern]

and not double holy priest where both are 2,4k m+ score and didnt do more then 20dungeons this season

[subtle tundra]

i just wanted some brain activity...

[subtle tundra]

hey thats more score than me

espresso machiato

[red schooner]

You can flame us for using a Ret pally as the main coin person on bandit

[subtle tundra]

thats based as fuck though

[red schooner]

We can't trust the ranged DPS

[royal lantern]

fuck rets

[subtle tundra]

ranged dps try to greed dps

cause they are ranged and hurr durr

but chad ret knows he shouldnt care

and just coin some bitcches

[red schooner]

We tried it for a while with ranged with no luck, stuck the Ret on it, coins are fucking flawless

[royal lantern]

also like 10wipes each night on mugzee btw

ranged standing on the wrong side when he is about to go 100 energy and dont move and keep Casting

:3

[subtle tundra]

i dont think id last in that guild more than an hour

tbh

id start saying some things that would get me kicked from this discord

[red schooner]

Join my guild for a night it'll make you rethink many things

And probably get your account banned

[royal lantern]

thats literally every guild bellow wr300-400 mate

[subtle tundra]

i think i could raid lead one of those

[red schooner]

We take the moniker of RFWL guild very seriously, we gotta make it as close to the end of season as possible

[subtle tundra]

i sometimes start calling shit in my raids

cause im bored...

[royal lantern]

mythic raiding reality for the majority of mythic raiders is

20people, ~6 are good, the rest is AT BEST heroic raider Level

[little tulip]

it's really important to maintain sanguine blades on bleed build

[royal lantern]

in aoe it happens by itself

in ST its a minor gain

[little tulip]

how else are you supposed to gap your fellow assassin rogue in keys

how

[royal lantern]

with your dick

[little tulip]

oh right uh, ideal haste in keys? 0%?

[subtle tundra]

shit in their coffee mug

[little tulip]

pet them first

[subtle tundra]

haste is good

[little tulip]

[subtle tundra]

on bleed

[red schooner]

By stealing their demise damage

[little tulip]

ye i have 13 but gonna recraft this week and go for 10ish

knowing my luck a mythic glowtorc will drop and make my 681 neck obsolete also

[subtle tundra]

OK!

[quartz relic]

I really wanted to try Bleed on an 18 Cinder and wow, I ended up with 6M overall, it was broken for 40 seconds. But on bosses they doubled my DPS, with this build you must go with at least one Arcane, that's what I realized, but the build is so beautiful and so easy to play, I love it, although I'm also trying to learn the Zeros build well, it is complicated, yes, haha. because in dungeons like TOP or workshop bleed it won't perform I imagine.

[spice surge]

Idk you definitely shouldnt be doubled on boss dps, should still be able to do like 1.6-1.8

[golden loom]

our warrior also swapped to fury, think they are pretty close to arms to be fair and also way way way less annoying to play

[spice surge]

Even without adds

[golden loom]

like keeping up juggernaut or whatever its called stacks on that fight seemed aids

[quartz relic]

Maybe I need more practice, I'm a main outlaw and I'm still getting used to it.

[spice surge]

But ye boss dps aint great as bleed

[quartz relic]

isn't there a way like bleed to scratch off a little more st damage? I don't know, but for example, removing Arterial Precision by KB? Sorry if the question is stupid, I'm only good at outlaw lol

[spice surge]

Thats like -2% on ST

[quartz relic]

I understand, thank you very much for your kind answers.

[jaunty matrix]

not even heroic level

people fail heroic mechanics in mythic all the time too

because heroic is too easy so they brute force it with gear

so they never learn until mythic hits them like a truck

[midnight mist]

@balmy condor why does ravenhold doesnt half a tag thinggy yet

[pliant remnant]

why does ravenhold doesnt

[midnight mist]

I was thinking of something like 🗡️ COCK

but you can suggest something better

[loud hearth]

Roug

[pliant remnant]

could be like

STAB

[midnight mist]

GUN

[lusty kraken]

ASS

[nova aspen]

BUFF

[midnight mist]

CAP

[spice spire]

MOGA

[midnight mist]

[red schooner]

🗡️ SIM

[winged sun]

ASS

@balmy condor when poison role icon ?!?

for cleave build !

[royal lantern]

that sentence implies that they are learning

lol

lmao even

[nova aspen]

COOK

[midnight mist]

one letter off

[nova aspen]

COCK

[jaunty matrix]

the boss dies eventually doesn't

which means they do learn

copium

and then forget everything for next tier

[proper tapir]

The builds are the same as on wowhead, just double check that momentum of despair is talented (not follow the blood). Other than that, you can use the gear and APL from this Sim to mess around https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rgXb4gqc3sWW4W1mGWUfZt

[jaunty matrix]

my guild is progressing sprocket and we are now reaching phase 2

and sprocket is at 35% at phase 2

we are brute forcing this so much

[royal lantern]

the day where you manage to assemble a raidteam where all 20 people can do complicated callouts like "go Left" or "stack here" or the ultimate evil "stop dps"

is when you can take over the world

[manic quartz]

our guild problem is usually that people mix up red and blue, left and right and all kind of wave abilities will make so that atleast 3 people die, any kind of wave, lava, fire, poison you name it and someone hits it

[jaunty matrix]

i think just blue and red sides is the best

people confuse left and right all the time

[manic quartz]

no i mean they confuse both 😄

[jaunty matrix]

the wa scream at you at swap if you have to swap so that's a no thought process at least

our biggest struggle is the drills

[manic quartz]

example sprocket there is always one that is at the wrong color position or at queens court last ride someone alway killed someone 😄

[jaunty matrix]

because ranged can't be trusted like ever

i can see it already

when we got to bandit

we will assign a melee to do the rolling marks

[royal lantern]

ranged dps jerk all the time how RANGED HAS TO DO ALL THE MECHANICS

and then just never do anything

[manic quartz]

Also "hold dps" is impossible task to do

[jaunty matrix]

"has to do all mechanics"

[manic quartz]

i admit its annoying but needed sometimes

[jaunty matrix]

not their fault

they are used from dungeons

not having to do anything ever

since all mechanics are in melee

clearly blizz's fault

[royal lantern]

"hold dps" and then the evoker channels 5 disintergrates into the boss :3

[jaunty matrix]

ranged be like: "wHaT iS a FrOnTaL"

[manic quartz]

That was me on mug'zee, we needed to hold dps but i just got kingsbane up so blasted it, doesnt do that much dmg gladly

[jaunty matrix]

the most annoying thing for me is the "close details everyone"

as if that will stop those that pad for parses in progress

meanwhile i track more than dps in details

and get fucked

[manic quartz]

like "power generated" and "dmg done to shields"

[jaunty matrix]

no

other stuff

to see who is fucking up

on stix i was tracking interrupts

i was getting strokes from what i was seeing

[manic quartz]

😄

i think me and our prot pala have almost synced mind, i always interrupt 0,0001s after him and miss it

[halcyon forge]

Hello there !
Did you get a super plater for m+ ? tracking everything clearly ?

[spice surge]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[spice surge]

Default nameplates are nearly unplayable as assa, so yes

[winged sun]

ceverion plater is good i recommend that

[halcyon forge]

Ty !

[winged sun]

u can prob experiement with the other ones i havent tried them

whispyr one looks cool with color things for certain debuffs i havent tried it tho

[strange tundra]

@lyric gate thoughts?

[warm lantern]

is there any way to "sim" the amount of crests i need to grind?

[nocturne quail]

you can do the math brotha

[coral ibex]

its just 30 x # of slots

[nova aspen]

i took quazzi and whyspers and then changed from there

[nocturne quail]

well assuming your shit was already maxxed

[coral ibex]

not sure what you mean

if you're maxed then you dont need crests

[nocturne quail]

if you were maxxed at 6 then you would do 30x number of slots

but if you had gear at say 5/6

thats now 5/8

[gusty mirage]

the man do be spittin facts

[nocturne quail]

but yeah you can do the math, and you should convert any lower tier crests up to gilded

[gusty mirage]

@warm lantern you can also import your profile into topgear in raidbots and click the + sign and it'll tell you how many crests/valorstones you need to fully upgrade each piece in the tooltip

[little tulip]

is there any difference in raidbots between simming at 681 for crafted or using the augment matrix on a 675?

[warm lantern]

neat hack, ty

[little tulip]

as in will you get a bad result for just plugging a 681 in etc

[gusty mirage]

should be the same

[little tulip]

figured just making sure

[gusty mirage]

the upgrade plus sign gets a little fucky though

lmao

for example, for my other dagger I never upgraded:

I have to upgrade it to 675

then upgrade that separately to 681

[humble verge]

you cant do the augment on the recraft?

i thought you could

[gusty mirage]

if it was crafted prior to the patch you'd upgrade and copy to 675

and then you plus sign it again to get it to 681

[humble verge]

hmok

[humble verge]

jaja

[gusty mirage]

so a wee bit fucky

[humble verge]

you mean, as intended

-blizz

[gusty mirage]

[strange tundra]

are these trinkets even worth considering, cba simming

[spice spire]

If you’re outlaw maybe

Us no

[strange tundra]

i already clicked it nvm

the x6

worthless vault

[spice spire]

Didn’t realize you were an xxx fan

Y’know since you’re sad!

[strange tundra]

what is xxx

tentacion?

[spice spire]

Yea

Who did the song sad

[strange tundra]

true

but i only liked maybe 4-5 songs from him

i just listen to yeat now

and other random shit thats not rap

and some greek trap

i guess

[midnight mist]

like his new song ?

[strange tundra]

the bell

or the leak with lil uzi?

[midnight mist]

wtf is the bell

[strange tundra]

his new song?

actually lazer dim 700 goes hard as well

[midnight mist]

Nah idk I just meant the nazi song

I didn't know he made others

[strange tundra]

bro thats ye

not yeat

different person

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/ring-bell-dog-cute-seeking-attention-ding-gif-13497885

[midnight mist]

Mb

[strange tundra]

i didnt like it at first

but then it stuck to my head

coz of friends

so idk

[rotund oak]

our music taste is WORLDS apart

[strange tundra]

😭

bro menw menidi 💀

[rotund oak]

imagine staying there but not listeing to rotting christ

like idk

[strange tundra]

metal?

[rotund oak]

yup

[strange tundra]

fuck that

[rotund oak]

everything is rock but that is harder version

[grim palm]

is everyone ready to pick up dark ritual 😄

[rotund oak]

might see some last minute buffs

[grim palm]

you need a bigger hopium icon

lol

it be nice

[rotund oak]

yup

pretty much

😂

[grim palm]

I was wanting to replay IS or TA but

[rotund oak]

mage ST is IS

but in general VR

[grim palm]

servers up

[rotund oak]

like almost all dps classes play VR

[true tapir]

isnt echoing the best one>?

[grim palm]

neg

from the sims pretty sure vr still pulls ahead

[grim palm]

in majority of encounters

[true tapir]

was going off the whyspir science

[rotund oak]

EV would make sense yeah

cant wait to que some 12s and meme with IS procs

jk patch is fried

dont rly care

[strange tundra]

i tookl like a week break from wow coz cba

and now have to farm those crests

[rain coral]

guys is it still possible to get the extra artefact look when you a +15 dung ?
i ve read on a site, that one look of the artefact dagger from legion is gained when you do a +15 dung of the current season

[rotund oak]

crests?

u mean the mementos from visions?

[strange tundra]

to make all gear +6 ilvl

need like 400 crests

[rain coral]

what?

[rotund oak]

ah the gilded stuff

[strange tundra]

yee rip

[rotund oak]

the 30gilded crest thingy

[strange tundra]

how is the damage difference

are +15 +16s a breeze?

[coral ibex]

[strange tundra]

@coral ibex

🤣

[rain coral]

no i was talking about the artefact dagger from legion

[rotund oak]

wpn aint bad

[humble verge]

aint it the "best" weapon

according to sims

[rotund oak]

yeah think so

but again im not sure for rogue 100%

[rain coral]

i ve read somewhere, that when you ve done a +15 you get an extra look

[rotund oak]

ask me mage stuff ill tell u

[humble verge]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange tundra]

that sounds cool

legion artefact weapons look so cool

[humble verge]

its using it in the sim

[strange tundra]

do i go for 671 jastor or sim it?

like maybe craft a 681 ring

[rotund oak]

ild sim first the difference

sim is fixed anyway

[strange tundra]

ok

[rotund oak]

wouldnt mind taking the answer in2 min

[strange tundra]

cba

💀

[rotund oak]

💀

[strange tundra]

farm crests first and upgrade all gear

ring last

[rotund oak]

ive just started and going slow

im smelling buffs/nerfs coming

[strange tundra]

interesting

[rotund oak]

rogue is fun but not mage fun

[strange tundra]

i hope buffs

idk why they would nerf

[rotund oak]

yeah buffs most likely

[rotund oak]

but then again might jsut be me yapping

[strange tundra]

yap more so we get buffs

[rotund oak]

can do that

[strange tundra]

manifest the buffs

[coral ibex]

[rotund oak]

ahahahah

[coral ibex]

bricked vault

[rotund oak]

almost thought u were trolling

yup

[strange tundra]

to craft 681 from scratch do i also need the 30 gilded item?

so like 90 gilded

[coral ibex]

will take a socket but i can't even socket anything

gg

sick game

[rotund oak]

💀

[coral ibex]

if only it was mythic...

[strange tundra]

rip

[strange tundra]

sims were pushing me for vers mastery as well

before the turbo boost

[agile wedge]

when i want to get a FB cleave build for raid, do i change the same talents like i would for ds?

or just switch ib to caustic

and this is it?

[humble verge]

just get CS

and ure good

[agile wedge]

ty

[golden loom]

fatebound and cleave in the same sentence

[agile wedge]

😄

its sims much higher for me even in cleave build, i have plenty crit, may be the reason

just checking if i missclicked something or so

instead go gallywix fatebound

[humble verge]

does whisp still play fb 🤨

[golden loom]

I mean...

cause you are simming 1 target

read through some of the fatebound talents

[agile wedge]

i played it a alot end of last tier

just to try out

i understand ds is better with adds, but the game is so boring

i just need to try out stuff

(and i cant free myself from not playing it)

[spice surge]

Its not only that DS is better with adds

FB is actively worse with adds

Like you do way less ST if theres adds nearby

Because your coins are worse and your fate intertwined goes on adds

[agile wedge]

i see

[inland dirge]

DAGGER LAST WEEK AND NOW THIS

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-garnett-gif-19832415

I can finally do damage

[agile wedge]

i thought so too when i got it

turns out

no 😄

[inland dirge]

yeah fair i will have to come up with another excuse now

[past bobcat]

bleed build smurfs visions btw

[nova aspen]

approx how long of a grind to get the bis enchant?

(greater echoing void)

[hidden bay]

you didnt deserve dude

i mean, all the love to you

[split veldt]

mythic fleshfused + jastor still simming a lot less than circlet, fml

i want that stamina

😭

[hidden bay]

prolly cuz rest of your gear sucks

link sim

[split veldt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c3PCsFqmxDmu9wHkA2WFEG

[hidden bay]

well you are dungeon slice

ofc circlet sims higher

[split veldt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1Y6S3LikAnxCQgCA6ymYCj

patch as well

[hidden bay]

wrong talents

[split veldt]

yeah but i only do keys

this is the spec i run

[hidden bay]

well then you will forever be stuck to circlet

enjoy

[split veldt]

void ritual simming pretty high in slice

[inland dirge]

wtf...

dude hates me

[hidden bay]

you timeouted me

remember?????

[inland dirge]

YOU DID IT FIRST

[hidden bay]

[inland dirge]

revisionism before our very eyes

hmmm surely i can sneak in a race change back to maghar at this point in farm right

surely velf no longer needed

[hidden bay]

for what do you want to racechange?

racials all even

[inland dirge]

me like orc

[blazing kayak]

is there a build u guys are doing your visions in

or a certain spec

[coral ibex]

will race changing today before raid brick my mythic lockout at all or is that only after you were in the raid for the week

[strange python]

is it worth crafting a 2nd dagger, and would it just be siphoning stiletto?

[coral ibex]

no, no

[inland dirge]

do not

[spice spire]

If you already have two embellishments

[hidden bay]

what the

[spice spire]

How would it be stiletto

[inland dirge]

[strange python]

idk i cant make a 2nd everforged stabber since its unique

[coral ibex]

[hidden bay]

you get a mythic dagger in mainhand and crafted in offhand

[strange python]

give me a mythic dagger

[hidden bay]

https://tenor.com/view/get-fucked-gf-nats-what-i-reckon-clap-clapping-gif-17482248

[golden loom]

I mean u can have 2 everforged stabbers tho

[strange python]

oh what i didnt know that

so 2 everforged daggers?

[hidden bay]

you can, yes

but everyone will make fun of you

[inland dirge]

don’t do it

don’t give in

[timber meadow]

is anyone else's extra action button bricked in visions?

[inland dirge]

die on that hill

[golden loom]

well I probably wouldnt craft it unless I didnt have a myth track dagger ANNNNNNNND I had no other slot to upgrade

[strange python]

lol i got nothing else i can craft tho

[inland dirge]

also don’t use dinar like a coward

[hidden bay]

NA Beta test

real chads have reset tomorrow

[golden loom]

TRUE

[timber meadow]

lmao

[strange python]

i got jastors ring already D:

[inland dirge]

good don’t use it on a dagger

[blazing kayak]

can someone link best build for soloing visions

[inland dirge]

or I will make fun of you for your lack of resolve

[strange python]

ilvl > resolve

[golden loom]

wait are you wearing 5 pieces of tier @strange python

[coral ibex]

bruh its open world content you dont need an optimal build

[inland dirge]

wrong

[strange python]

yes

[golden loom]

well there u have 1 slot to craft

[strange python]

i only been playing for a month

[strange python]

oh?

[golden loom]

Crafting a 681 item in either of those 5 slots will be way better than a crafted 681 offhand

[strange python]

thats crazy, i have a mythic head in my bags i can catalize or just keep as the off piece?

[hidden bay]

@balmy condor where the fk is Vision build in your guide

[hidden bay]

fuck its there

i take it back

[hidden bay]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/horrific-visions

[nova aspen]

im gonna guess bleed build

[golden loom]

well if you have a myth track head and the rest are hero track, you would probably catalyze head and then craft like chest or gloves or smthin

but can sim that also probably

[strange python]

awesome, didnt consider crafting 1 of the tier slots, ty

[spice surge]

Surely you mean everforged stabber

And not the int dagger

Right?

[strange python]

oh true lol

[hidden bay]

[strange python]

that got me in season 1 tww

[primal blaze]

SIMS FOR corruptions?

[strange python]

wrote a ticket and got banned cause they found out i bought gold instead

[golden loom]

bruh

[nova aspen]

[hidden bay]

full blown bonobo

[nova aspen]

why not just buy a wow token?

the risk cant be worth the savings

[echo hound]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[primal blaze]

guys what corruption are we using ?

[coral ibex]

that's definitely not in the wowhead guide

idk if anyone knows

its a mystery atm

[strange python]

cause you get so much more from g2g purchase compared to wow token

[primal blaze]

they know

[golden loom]

the nice lil button in the top right shows

[frank trench]

Good lord. I tried playing cleave build for fun in m+ that’s going to be a big no from me dawg that really is a pain in the butt to play well.

[coral ibex]

its always this

[spice spire]

Ye

[coral ibex]

people getting greedy over wow gold

[spice spire]

It’s why bleed recommended it’s piss easy by comparison

[frank trench]

I mean even hybrid

[hidden bay]

get good in the game > boost

[frank trench]

That is just next level punishment to play well

[echo hound]

Is there a particular reason that Forced induction+Kingsbane build is so dominant in high keys rn? Higher ST/prio dmg perhaps or becasue packs live longer, as opposed to bleed build? Reason i am asking is that it seems bleed is just ridculously stronger in big Aoe for me and much easier to execute but may just be a GitGud thing?

[red schooner]

More boss damage is needed for the big keys

[golden loom]

!cleave

[prisma monolith]

Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:

1. If you have to ask, you should play bleed
2. If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed

Some general concepts as to why people play different things:

• Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
• Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
• Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
• Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.

[nova aspen]

yea its just not worth the risk, at least for me

my account is worth a lot

[hidden bay]

the zeross build

[broken lion]

m pacemaker > h kezan for dungeons?

[hidden bay]

depends on your tank

[frank trench]

Hybrid and bleed for me forever I’m not doing 18s lol I’m perfectly happy doing low single target in a 14

For ease of rotation

It’s just jarring

[echo hound]

@golden loom Ty for pin link

[nova aspen]

yes

[hidden bay]

nice stealth edit to add m and h!!!!!!!!

[nova aspen]

HERP

[broken lion]

for myth raid would I just swap the kezan in for m pacemaker or signet of priory?

[golden loom]

idk I would just not use kezan at all unless I have myth track kezan for gally prog but that cant happen and meow meow meow meow meow

[hidden bay]

correcto

[coral ibex]

it might not even be worth to use kezan unless you are progging mythic mugzee or gally

[past bobcat]

We can't get greater void this week can we?

[coral ibex]

just use signet and pacemaker everywhere

[nova aspen]

wouldnt even use it on mugzee honestly

[golden loom]

say it aint so?

[hidden bay]

use signet and HoC everywhere

[nova aspen]

myth gally angle

only

[royal lantern]

use no trinkets because trinkets are cringe and you are not cringe

[golden loom]

wait wrong reply

[coral ibex]

not me ofc i'm a mega magnet michael

[golden loom]

say it aint so?

[hidden bay]

i personally use eye on bandit,mugzee and gally

[restive falcon]

how do u get the greater corruption again

[nova aspen]

do the visions

get the currency

get the item

[restive falcon]

yea i just got the lesser

ive got 4 masks already

[hidden bay]

in a few weeks

👍

[restive falcon]

wait real

[hidden bay]

its timegated

[nova aspen]

its probably time gated knowing blizzard

[restive falcon]

[broken lion]

oh really?

wait I thought it was actually good for like the whole raid

[golden loom]

Is it really timegated for greater??

[coral ibex]

yea fights aren't long enough for the ramp to matter

[coral ibex]

yes

[nova aspen]

[golden loom]

Fuck off John Blizzard!!

[coral ibex]

if fights aren't at least 6 mins it is bad

[nova aspen]

play our game for 4 more weeks minimum, classic timegate

[coral ibex]

well the exact time varies player to player due to gear but its around 6 mins

[broken lion]

I havnt progged too much of the raid tbh yet but I just assumed most fights are long

only like 3/8 atm

[golden loom]

Not at this point in the patch

Things go kaboooom

[nova aspen]

most fights are 6:30 or less

[broken lion]

ahhh ok

[coral ibex]

5/8 are not longer than 6:30

oab is around there

[coral ibex]

mugzee is around 7

gally is like 9?

[broken lion]

Thanks for the help guys

[golden loom]

People are doing 5:30 mugzee pre-today

That boss will die in 5

[coral ibex]

not my guild teehee

we couldn't do the 3 heal push strat

with the turbo boost

[lilac hare]

Hi guys, i noticed the lower key is i do less over all dmg done. is there a recommended talent for low keys "example up to 10-12"

[royal lantern]

that "boost" doesnt help when 50% of your raid just raidloggs :3

[golden loom]

Hopefully we kill it tomorrow

[nova aspen]

ive seen some bad rng with kezan also, wouldnt even use it for the 6:30 fights

prob just gally

[golden loom]

I wanna fight gally

[red schooner]

Of course its timegated

[fallow canopy]

this week with extra 3% its prob gonna be a reality for most groups i think

[spice surge]

Bleed, the one that is recommended

[coral ibex]

like what are we doing guys its monday

you should be 680+

[proud pelican]

Smh my head

[lilac hare]

Thx Eleem

[wise plume]

i missed two weeks :///

[frank trench]

I’ll never be 680 with that cyrcees circlet

[fallow canopy]

[coral ibex]

im 681 wearing circlet

idk

you must be carrying multiple other hero items

instead of crafting

[frank trench]

Also only getting 2 pieces of armor I can catalyst into mythic in 8 weeks hasn’t helped 😄

[wise plume]

[deep gyro]

Same and i got another hero ring too

[novel dragon]

Mastery is my highest stat- patchwerk sim has mythic signet performing worse than my heroic house of cards with both max upgraded. (671 vs 684) - do I blindly follow the sim, or is there something going on? I'm finding it hard to believe mythic signet is worse than heroic HoC for sin rogue

[coral ibex]

link sim

show stats

[novel dragon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i7cxxpux9dj5F3tPKs2RxX

This is a topgear with vault options

Signet being one of them

[coral ibex]

pacemaker moment

your crit is higher

[novel dragon]

fuck it wasn't a second ago and its cause of flask of alchemical chaos

god I'm dumb

thank you

[static glacier]

Bruh this guy

[coral ibex]

its actually only giving you crit

[static glacier]

Man what boss needs people to be 680

[coral ibex]

and not mastery

[frank trench]

What’s best way to force that into not happening

[coral ibex]

take signet and recraft to haste/mastery as much as you can

if a slot has crit and not mastery, try to swap it

etc

[fallow canopy]

do the same top gear but try changing the neck to haste mastery and see what it says and maybe if you have another hero helmet or crafting a helmet too

[coral ibex]

we have 3 dps that do 75+% damage

most are low blue/high green

[royal lantern]

look at mr fancy having people at 677

half my raid is like 673

and then say "i cant play"

while sitting on alts all day

[velvet cairn]

thats prob player issue instead of gear issue sir

[coral ibex]

i'm aware

its easier to make them do more damage by simply increasing their ilvl/buff

[gusty mirage]

I’m only 669 AMA

(nice)

[coral ibex]

than expect them to wake up and be better players today vs yesterday

[royal lantern]

didnt you also had a weeding going on?

[hexed root]

anyone have a WA/addon for the potions in heroic visions?

[gusty mirage]

Ye

[royal lantern]

[gusty mirage]

Red one was good when I did one and actually clicked them

Idk if it changes every vision

[hexed root]

they do

[gusty mirage]

Terrific

[indigo sphinx]

Horrific if you will

[gusty mirage]

Forcing me to use the potions is so sick

Also time gating it? Also sick

[hexed root]

just get good duh

[gusty mirage]

[coral ibex]

ugh i dont want to farm visions i want to play counter strike until raid time

[gusty mirage]

World of Timegatecraft

[fallow canopy]

its in the name king they arent called conveniently timed visions amirite

[coral ibex]

[royal lantern]

i love how we now get some performance increases every month

[gusty mirage]

True

[royal lantern]

and now probably a "gear turbo event" every patch

just when most people would have finished their main

back into the m+ mines with you

:3

[gusty mirage]

[waxen oyster]

interesting, any non crit ring gets outsimmed by circe for me

even at myth track

[gusty mirage]

Why am I getting advertisements from politicians in Arizona

What the fuck

[coral ibex]

are you interested

[past marten]

Hachadino calculated that 11 delves are faster than pugging 12s

[gusty mirage]

I can’t even vote for them!

[coral ibex]

but you are posting about it!

its working!

[waxen oyster]

yeah if you have a non shit story

[hexed root]

aw yea echoing void obtained

[dusk path]

Whihc are the best Flame's Radiance trinkets? Shadowed Essence?

[royal lantern]

im sometimes getting advertisements for buying farmland in the southern states

the algorithm works in mysterious ways

[past marten]

Non shit story?

[velvet cairn]

how was it to get?

[coral ibex]

now some arizonian bozo lurking in chat is gonna go "huh there's an election"

[hexed root]

easy af

[coral ibex]

butterfly effect

[broken lion]

echoing void is BiS right?

[waxen oyster]

Some stories in sidestreet are faster

[velvet cairn]

ritual okay in aoe too according to whispyr sims

[somber fractal]

poggers echoing void did as much damage as fatal intent in this m+

[waxen oyster]

im not leaving circe jail arent i

[velvet cairn]

the top ring with the eye purple icon simmed 1k over cicle for me

[waxen oyster]

yeah apparently only rings with crit do for me

[velvet cairn]

could look at cauldron ring too ig

[waxen oyster]

crafted crit mast is 5k

[fallow canopy]

this one simmed well for me

[waxen oyster]

crit haste one is 2.5

[wooden radish]

its not really explained in any guides, but is there a general energy threshold we want to pool to, to avoid triggering thistle tea (30 energy)

just wondering based on looking at logs

guess its around like 95-100?

[spice surge]

Its not explained because it doesnt really matter

[golden loom]

You macro tea to shiv and never think about it again

[spice surge]

It would only matter for things like last boss rookery or first boss motherlode

[wooden radish]

and if you pop tea via spending too much energy thats good for dps?

more thinking raid

[spice surge]

It doesnt matter

[wooden radish]

i see

[coral ibex]

you just macro tea to shiv and then you always get a charge up when your cooldowns come back

there's no micromanagement required

[wooden radish]

okies

thanks all

[normal mist]

no problem homie

[wooden radish]

got any mog look a likes for Valeera Sanguinar? 😄

[normal mist]

Negative

Way too hard and anything done will look like you bought it from aliexpress

[wooden radish]

hopefully one day they'll release it in trading post

[south nebula]

does the gushing wounds enchant dmg increase with our mastery?

[hard river]

mastery should just be rogue abilities

[south nebula]

yeah that make sense lol

[frozen glacier]

worth it to go for the lesser enchants or are you guys waiting till next week?

[pseudo siren]

what's BIS corruption enchant for m+ for siN?

[spice spire]

Pins for both questions

[subtle tundra]

d-did you kiss the bride?

sorry for the lewd question

[austere flame]

we cant unlock greater Corruption this week?

[hot pasture]

kezan over seforium in m plus?

[austere flame]

kezan is for prog

[spice pewter]

...

[wise plume]

...

[misty holly]

What's the best build for visions of Nzoth?

[wise plume]

bleed

[nova aspen]

blizzard aka timegate incorperated

[fervent fractal]

How much % of your damage is supposed to be envenom? I was practicing my rotation last night and it’s 21.1% , but when running single target patchwerk it’s gives 33.3% where it’s supposed to be

[nova aspen]

did u remember to turn off all buffs

[distant plinth]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[digital venture]

Sims put poison bomb and some other source all clumped together.

[spiral flower]

I'm trying to Sim vault and have gotten 3 different answers. I did dungeon slice (I know not ideal), patchwerk 1 and 4. What's the most effective sim for m+?

[hidden bay]

dungeon slice

[pure haven]

I'm kinda dumb, and was looking to see if shiv buffed your active dots without having to reapply the dots, and I see in the search that there's a thing called dry shiv, but nothing in there really explained what dry shiv is? So now I'm curious about that

[spice surge]

It buffs already existing effects yes

[pure haven]

sick, that's what I thought. Where can I read about dry shiv stuff?

oh nvm, I just found something

[coral ibex]

dry shiv is shiv + DN + lingering darkness

[spice surge]

Per the wowhead guide

[hidden bay]

Dry shiv got renamed to Comcast Shiv

[pure haven]

sick, thank you bunches folks

[onyx linden]

does lesser echoing void seem like its doing nothing to anyone else? Just did a lfr gally and it was like .6%

[placid wave]

is lesser then greater that's true

[balmy condor]

This checks out I ran the sims and lesser is in fact lesser than greater

[placid wave]

less lesser

[proud pelican]

I’ll give you a greater kiss right on the lips

If you keep it up

[sharp viper]

[onyx linden]

Lesser echo is 71842, greater is 123157. While ritual is 71/82

[nimble tartan]

im goin bleed build in my visions guys

[onyx linden]

seems like ritual for lesser is the way to go

[nimble tartan]

see u there

[onyx linden]

Hm, wowhead says lesser void ritual is 47. In game is 71. If ingame is correct, lesser void ritual is much better than lesser echo

[split willow]

Does monk buff make my numbers bigger

[balmy condor]

Yes ofc

Every raid buff makes your numbers bigger

Such is the point

Well except mage and priest

Cause that’s caster int and stam

But you get it

[onyx linden]

Just tested it. Void ritual is giving 71 stats per stack

seems like its the way to go

[feral mason]

stamina makes your numbers bigger by causing you to not die

[nimble tartan]

alright ill pick that ty my information soldiers

u think its gonna be better than echoing void on st?

[balmy condor]

If it’s 71 then yes

[proud pelican]

Int gives me more poison crit chance ofc

[balmy condor]

Guide doesn’t cover lesser enchants cause it’s getting replaced

[balmy condor]

[proud pelican]

Real and true question: when we are in subterfuge in m+ is it better to mut or ambush? Assuming mark is already out ofc

[jaunty matrix]

@winged sun is your sin talent build using different stats than the bleed build ?

[balmy condor]

Ambush

[rotund oak]

[jaunty matrix]

because i simmed your build and it does astronomically worse than bleed and hybrid

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t sim well

[mint valve]

corruptions come out next week?

[jaunty matrix]

oh

[jaunty matrix]

why's that ?

[balmy condor]

Lessers available now

[proud pelican]

Alright alright stop yelling

[spice surge]

If its 71 that means they accidently shipped without the latest nerf to it

[balmy condor]

Cause sims are slightly fucked when you take non imp gar into an m+ build

Not something I anticipated anyone doing

So it was never checked

[fallow canopy]

Surely not

[balmy condor]

Correct :)

[proud pelican]

No logic for virgin unjuiced garrote

[spice surge]

[jaunty matrix]

oh

in that case i will try it then

on a key and see

thanks for the info

[mint valve]

its not as good in lower keys

it excels in ST and funnel and if you can really milk kingsbanes and if you lose out on restealths during the key, this build does a bit better

[broken lion]

Wait so are we going lesser void ritual bc they didnt nerf it?

idek but I assume u can only take 1 and then youre locked in?

[rotund oak]

wdym by locked in

[broken lion]

Like once you get one echant you cant swap?

[fallow canopy]

you can buy the other ones for 500 thingies

[broken lion]

Or can you

ohhh

didnt realize thanks

[rotund oak]

yeah u can buy from the vendor

assuming u will have the 500 mementos that is

[broken lion]

I didnt complete the quest bc I thought it was a one time and I wanted others to test for me :p

[rotund oak]

its kind of a smol farm

[fallow canopy]

like 1 stacked vision or 2 regulars

[broken lion]

idk Iv only done a few runs and I have 3k already

after spending them on the hourglass

[fallow canopy]

yea you get them easily

[rotund oak]

if u know what to do and have the upgrades already for chests yeah

100%

ive done some on ptr,its almost like bfa

candles and potions and all

will see tomorrow on EU how it goes^^

[vapid gorge]

kind of sad that gushing wounds isnt the meta

[rotund oak]

yeah big sadge

loved them

[nimble tartan]

its bis for dh

[rotund oak]

we dont talk for dh here

[novel swallow]

am i missing something? wowhead says circe is equivalent to 700 ilvl and here in pins it says max myth but 671 ring is simming equal to it for me https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4FCgNTcpJ8D3NVUJqLuBU2 how is the discrepency to the guides/general so big?

[rotund oak]

🗡️

[hidden bay]

our guidewriter is a noob, follow sims

besides that, ignore blue numbers in sim

[rotund oak]

why hating on whispyr

[novel swallow]

just noticed i forgot to add sockets here as well, so 671 ring even further ahead xd

[spice spire]

Because there’s a world where we have so much mastery that it loses its potency.
The general bit of circlet is that it provides an absolute shit ton of mastery, but so does gally ring.
The two together are close to like 12k mastery alone

So like