never heard of that language
#assassination
desert pasture
desert pasture
ah alright ty
gray hazel
!tea
prisma monolithBOT
Shiv/Tea Macro
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Assassination uses no other macro aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
true tapir
how is 3,7 on bandit only a 93
because top parse are long ass fights where they spawned a shitton of bombs to AOE
prime hull
What are the best 2 talent points to drop from the raid build if i wanted to grab crimson tempest for a raid fight?
prime hull
Humor me.
humble verge
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JVpycRCdaqM7KNrk?fight=last&type=damage-don...
pogga
humble verge
what boss
clever sparrow
maybe 85
rugged sphinx
one-arm bandit mythic, worth rupturing the assitants?
golden loom
What are the best 2 talent points to drop from the raid build if i wanted to gra...
For Stix if you wanted to play CT you would probably drop bonspike/doomblade
Tho with rupture snipes it feels good to have bonespike
I would just not play CT 😎
royal lantern
one-arm bandit mythic, worth rupturing the assitants?
rupture the add the boss is standing on
not "run around and do it on all"
like, you cleave from boss and do it on the add that gets cleaved
agile wedge
how the f do i apply mark on gally mythic without using my vanish at pull? 😄
coral ibex
i'm not following
that's after the pull
you should have already hit him before he combines
coral ibex
sounds really dumb lol
prime hull
For Stix if you wanted to play CT you would probably drop bonspike/doomblade
I was thinking it might be good on gallywix or bandit farm.
nimble tartan
im rank sex number nobody gain or lose allstar points ty
chat what does echoing void even do i will pick it cause my tc said so anyways
royal lantern
dmg
nimble tartan
what kinda flavor though
clever sparrow
im rank sex number nobody gain or lose allstar points ty
WTF
royal lantern
grape
clever sparrow
im rank sex number nobody gain or lose allstar points ty
SEND ME LOG ON VEXIE
ty
rly wondering how to get higher logs
balmy condor
what kinda flavor though
Buff that stacks and every time it stacks it has a chance to pop and deal aoe shadow damage per stack per second
nimble tartan
oo that sounds cool
royal lantern
its passive dmg
nimble tartan
SEND ME LOG ON VEXIE
bro just do dam 
clever sparrow
Buff that stacks and every time it stacks it has a chance to pop and deal aoe sh...
eh whispyr.. HI!
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JVpycRCdaqM7KNrk?fight=last&type=damage-done
can you check?
clever sparrow
bro just do dam <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
i was doing damage
82 still
how to do more damage
😦
wait wrong log
im dumb
this one
they are the ame
ffs
why it opens something else then
golden loom
Are you not playing cheat death in raid @clever sparrow
balmy condor
Don’t do a 5:40 vexie in the middle of may
clever sparrow
Don’t do a 5:40 vexie in the middle of may
what? 😄
clever sparrow
Are you not playing cheat death in raid <@347783340969033728>
should... i?
golden loom
Idk why you wouldnt
balmy condor
Also all your CDs are scuffed
distant birch
where is ur envenom
balmy condor
Opener you didn’t envenom
Then your second shiv was late
1min kb you didn’t shiv before kb
2min CDs you just didn’t kb and then fucked your shivs
3min kb you didn’t shiv before kb
4min CDs didn’t happen
5min you pressed CDs finally but you just didn’t shiv
humble verge
POGGA
only 10 wipes on mugzee
time to spend the last 1,5h on gally
to wipe there too
balmy condor
I mean, not one of these cd sequences was correct
clever sparrow
3min kb you didn’t shiv before kb
OH
humble verge
Opener you didn’t envenom
he also, in my view did not get 5cp rup?
clever sparrow
shiv is before KB
humble verge
maybe im wrong
clever sparrow
didnt know that
balmy condor
he also, in my view did not get 5cp rup?
Idk I just kinda thumbed through cast timeline on my phone
golden loom
he also, in my view did not get 5cp rup?
If ambush crit he did
humble verge
If ambush crit he did
yeye
i feel like
i always get ambush crit with MA
almost guaranteed
makes it nice, but then again >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>vv bettur
booho
im just kidding 
golden loom
What the sigma are u yapping about bucko
balmy condor
Vv good
humble verge
MA bad
humble verge
have fun :3
golden loom
60 pulls on 2nd boss at this point in the patch does sound like torture not gonna lie to you friend
humble verge
we actually killed him this time right before the last bombs spawned
humble verge
60 pulls on 2nd boss at this point in the patch does sound like torture not gonn...
i would quit
but i feel like, the guys who do these 60 pulls seem to have more fun than people going for HoF
maybe im wrong
golden loom
I mean I wouldnt play the game if I didnt have fun
Think thats pretty normal in all things in life though
iron carbon
i would quit
Same... wtf
nimble tartan
lorrgs the best website
balmy condor
The best until it scrapes a cheated log and no one bothers to fix it until months later
buoyant mauve
lorrgs carried me to ce in amirdrassil when I swapped to sub 
lavish swan
For gems...do we not use Blasphemite?
balmy condor
wdym >cheated
Well there’s cheated logs a lot of the time, most recently it’s logs with a 0.8 gcd, so everything happens 20% faster
Wcl deletes them pretty quick
Lorrgs is stupid though
And just scrapes the top 50 and then fucks off
So the cheated run just stays
And stays
And stays
humble verge
Well there’s cheated logs a lot of the time, most recently it’s logs with a 0.8 ...
what
0.8 gc
balmy condor
For gems...do we not use Blasphemite?
You can, it’s incredibly minor
humble verge
gehuh
balmy condor
They edit the time codes
clever sparrow
after 50 wipes / 4 weeks we did the 2nd boss
humble verge
humble verge
thats insane to me
balmy condor
Any hope for what
balmy condor
You’re in the depths of hell
clever sparrow
You’re in the depths of hell
😭
balmy condor
We’re on turbo boost ilvl after like a billion rounds of buffs and nerfs
humble verge
man
balmy condor
.7 is coming in like a month
humble verge
its insane how youre like
balmy condor
And you’re on boss 3/8
humble verge
3/8 11 raid weeks in
i know there are bad people in this game but
if youre 680
i feel you could be able to get 4/8
balmy condor
Bosses legit just melt
humble verge
sure, if your guild is filled with people who have no coordination and your raidlead and or raidteam as a whole dont look up guides
youre bouned to lose
fallow canopy
!wa
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humble verge
fervent fractal
on the icy veins guide it says "Use Shiv Icon Shiv as follows: Use one charge right after Deathmark Icon Deathmark, then extend the debuff with a second charge. Once Deathmark Icon Deathmark is over, cast another Shiv Icon Shiv before using your next Darkest Night Icon Darkest Night empowered Envenom Icon Envenom. Without Deathmark active, only use one Shiv Icon Shiv charge in the last 8 seconds of Kingsbane Icon Kingsbane."
if im reading this correctly shiv extends death mark?
i tried testing it and couldn't get it to increase the 'debuff'
clever sparrow
on the icy veins guide it says "Use Shiv Icon Shiv as follows: Use one charge ri...
1 after DM 1 in middle of DM and how tf you should get another for darkest night???
am i bad at english
humble verge
you get one mid-through DN
that you CAN dry shiv with
i dont dry shiv, i just use it on kb
the difference is miniscule
balmy condor
4 weeks for greater
silk merlin
does anyone mind looking at a log for me and tell me what i need to improve, i cant seem to get it
balmy condor
I can in a bit
silk merlin
that would be lovely, can i just dm the log? or do you wanted it posted here?
normal mist
post here yeah
silk merlin
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Zghvt7RmAwHnYTpk?fight=last&type=damage-done
with the ilvl i have this damage is abysmoly bad
normal mist
oh m+
silk merlin
ye ye
winged sun
viscid spear
Trying to figure out if Jastor is better than Circlet but I'm not sure
coral ibex
it is for me
viscid spear
Could I buy it and be able to sim it and still sell it back?
worldly dock
When its ok to use the TEA?
Like for M+ aoe pulls should we use it or keep for ST bosses when we run out of energy
balmy condor
Macro to shiv
glacial slate
Hey guys. I'm very new to the spec and I keep running out of energy very quickly in ST, is this normal? Not sure if I'm misunderstanding the ST priority
balmy condor
Yes
glacial slate
Ah, so what's the best thing to do with no energy? Just wait?
coral ibex
yes
coral ibex
cry about having bad blindside luck
glacial slate
seems odd when I'm used to pressing stuff for every gcd on other classes haha
coral ibex
change your spotify playlist
viscid spear
Blame the government
glacial slate
it's those damn energy tariffs
haughty flicker
second monitor gaming
haughty flicker
the more times you press the button between each cast the more damage it does
normal mist
RIGHT
nimble tartan
i press mutilate 423 times between each cast
twinnn
fallow canopy
Are you really playing dps if you are not bricking keyboards every week?
Think about it
normal mist
Last time i bricked a keyboard
was when they reintroduced the magetower
and i really wanted the set that i'd never use
coral ibex
are you really playing dps if you aren't spamming adad when you should just be still
coral ibex
why would you have turn bound
normal mist
i enjoy playing piano
silk merlin
q-e to strafe.. what an animal
viscid spear
I'm feeling like I should get Raidbots Premium
Being so limited when I try to sim gems and ring enchants hurts
normal mist
the % is so small you're just wasting your time
viscid spear
But the optimization!
nimble tartan
I'm feeling like I should get Raidbots Premium
thats y u need to make friends with a premium guy
or like have a guild raidbots
clever sparrow
should FoK on mobs for rik?
viscid spear
!richard
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humble verge
AWOOOOGAAAA
lunar pond
Strafe and Forward movement all on the same key row is weird
clever sparrow
AWOOOOGAAAA
is it rclc? 😄
clever sparrow
the drops ..
clever sparrow
if i was the RL i would leave probably
^^
NINJA LOOT THEM ALL
or jastor atleast
small mirage
guys
how do i do single target dmg with m+ build
Like I did extremely atrocious
do I play around sangiune blades in single target?
balmy condor
You either play a giga st build which is much more difficult and probably hurts your aoe
Or you accept that assa st isn’t good
small mirage
You either play a giga st build which is much more difficult and probably hurts ...
my stack has unholy+dev I would like this single target build
balmy condor
Play cleave then
small mirage
gotcha
royal lantern
!tricks
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near valley
how do i do single target dmg with m+ build
ask them to pull mobs with boss so you pretend you do
uneven plume
winged sun
omg
nimble tartan
chat tell ur loot guy to go to need greed after prog its so fun
everyone is pogged when a jastor drops or a hot item
west crown
!wa
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arctic dust
ambush also puts caustic splatter onto the target when rupture is up, correct? I'm confused since splatters tooltip only refers to mutilate
runic hinge
Yeah both
neat raptor
Is playing bleed build over hybrid like playing Ho over kir?
keen spruce
We won $100 bucks for taking 2nd in that best ball
we shoulda won the whole thing but I literally can't putt 
balmy condor
ambush also puts caustic splatter onto the target when rupture is up, correct? I...
Yes
balmy condor
Is playing bleed build over hybrid like playing Ho over kir?
Kinda yeah
strange tundra
@humble verge what did I miss
humble verge
<@191982482642436097> what did I miss
idk, what did you miss
strange tundra
Understandable 👍🏿
humble verge
Understandable 👍🏿
strange tundra
balmy condor
I have hidden him
bronze pike
HES GONE
bronze pike
balmy condor
aight where's that M+ log from earlier
I wish to hurt myself
I hurt myself today - Johnny Cash
winged sun
balmy condor
W ragebait chatter
hidden bay
@balmy condor stream today?
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> stream today?
as long as comcast lets me yeah
balmy condor
im leaning cleave for prio
well the prio is gonna be about the same regardless of what you play since so much of it is from singular focus
cleave is for the boss damage
cunning ruin
what is better the bleed build with shiv or zeros build?
coral ibex
balmy condor
!builds
prisma monolithBOT
Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds
Broad rules and Section in Guide:
- If you have to ask, you should play bleed
- If you're not doing +17's or higher (or rookery), you should play bleed
Some general concepts as to why people play different things:
- Ease of play: Bleed build is simply the easiest to play due to subterfuge/no kingsbane/less need for giant prio targets
- Boss damage: The cleave/zeross build is mainly for boss damage. Assa single target in keys is pretty bad, and the bosses would not be possible otherwise
- Specific Dungeons: Rookery as an example is very boss-heavy, especially the last boss, making bleed less ideal.
- Where the damage is: Bleed spreads out its damage and does great overall due to sudden demise and powerful 3-8 target damage. Hybrid is competitve but doesn't pull ahead until bigger AoE. Cleave is for single target damage and insanely large aoe because of how much caustic and crimson tempest carry aoe damage.
coral ibex
if you have to ask then you're not doing keys where it matters
hallow glade
fuck it we run cleave for crippling poison on ipa
royal lantern
fuck it we run cleave for crippling poison on ipa
you know that you can just
you know
swap poisons
cunning ruin
**Bleed vs Hybrid vs Cleave/FI builds**
Broad rules and [Section in Guide](<http...
ty
iron carbon
You pref
royal lantern
^
iron carbon
I play Hybrid/Cleave cuz I like spamming Envenom
You like spread dots? Play bleeds
You like both? Play hybrid
As our dear Moroes say : Doesn't matter if you're not playin top 1% keys
royal lantern
what if i dont like playing wow
iron carbon
So, just don't
iron carbon
You still need M+ gear?
royal lantern
dont use gear
iron carbon
Or just for the stupid vault
royal lantern
gear is borrowed power
waxen oyster
im talking mostly start of the season
royal lantern
i dont need borrowed power
iron carbon
Where do you wish to get your gear then?
waxen oyster
raid
balmy condor
need to play m+ because blizzard decided that I need another 350 crests
winged sun
fuck this cringe sin shit bro i lose darkest night from legit nothing on 1st boss and we deplete the key because of it
fuck this fucking shit man like
wtf
iron carbon
Workshop?
iron carbon
Oh..
winged sun
lost mark dps
with mark dps
boss lasted ages
xd
above is +20 the one below is 19
iron carbon
Only happened on workshop for me
waxen oyster
need to play m+ because blizzard decided that I need another 350 crests
yeah that was a major 💀
drifting cloud
need to play m+ because blizzard decided that I need another 350 crests
you can farm it in delves 
humble verge
need to play m+ because blizzard decided that I need another 350 crests
nah, dont blame blizz - blame comcast dawg
make THEM farm crests for you
balmy condor
you can farm it in delves <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
chat is this a slur
humble verge
chat is this a slur
drifting cloud
its faster than shitshow pug 12s
but prob same speed if you blast threw with premades
except you can just take a break whenever you want
waxen oyster
Yeah t11 sidestreet can be done in like 5 minutes
So roughly 1 gilded a minute rate
normal mist
chat is this a slur
how do you think im getting my mythic transmogs!?
waxen oyster
how do you think im getting my mythic transmogs!?
half the reason im playing dk this season
i dont actually like the gameplay i just want the mog
gaunt quiver
i dont actually like the gameplay i just want the mog
Rule 1 has always been to look cool.
runic hinge
Yeah t11 sidestreet can be done in like 5 minutes
Do I just do it over and over
drifting cloud
Do I just do it over and over
yes just make sure you kill 3 goblin packs every run otherwise you get 10 crests instead of 15
since its easy to skip too many as a rogue
runic hinge
Oh shit
waxen oyster
Do I just do it over and over
yeah
runic hinge
Maybe I’ll actually max my crests
runic hinge
Yeah that’s fine
scarlet wyvern
would it be a big dps drop if i remove 1 point from Lethal Dose and put it in Iron Wire?
balmy condor
yes
sly yoke
would it be a big dps drop if i remove 1 point from Lethal Dose and put it in Ir...
tell your group to kick
balmy condor
there is always a better talent to drop if you want iron wire
ALWAYS a better talent to drop
balmy condor
lethal dose is legit one of the best talents on the entire tree
scarlet wyvern
there is always a better talent to drop if you want iron wire
yeah unfortunately...
balmy condor
runic hinge
I talent into iron wire to make up for my own lack of kicks. Or I have @spice spire talent into iron wire for me
bronze pike
https://tenor.com/view/fish-react-fish-react-him-thanos-gif-26859685
YOUR ALIVE
sly yoke
is this still the latest info? don't think they did any changes to corruption since @balmy condor
balmy condor
yes
sly yoke
so looks like it's just EV for all rogue specs
spice surge
Its only in melee
balmy condor
yeh yeh that's what I mean
sly yoke
I remember I got rank 3 EV as my first corruption in bfa, was playing in god mod till it got nerfed
royal lantern
need to play m+ because blizzard decided that I need another 350 crests
cant wait for that "event" halfway trought every major patch now
balmy condor
<:hm:1228583333718524008>
silence kitten, daddy is taking away your sudden demise priveldges
runic hinge
Next time we play double sin I’m playing cleave
sly yoke
Every double sin key I’m in
double bleed sin is the biggest troll
runic hinge
Just for you
spice spire
double bleed sin is the biggest troll
Honestly they’re the easiest keys
runic hinge
Yeah you aoe things super fast
spice spire
Tony and I like deleted a muscle in a 13 in like 4 globals
runic hinge
It was so sick
sly yoke
Yeah you aoe things super fast
and them melee the boss for 3m
runic hinge
You just drag trash on the bosses cause you have iron wire
And like double sin rogue
Funnel goes hard
spice spire
Wasn’t it balt too?
spice spire
So it was just double sin rogue Ret pal
waxen oyster
People act like bleed does 1.2m st
runic hinge
Easily timed
spice spire
0 st
sly yoke
ret does good st now
royal lantern
Tony and I like deleted a muscle in a 13 in like 4 globals
i can tear my muscles in 4 globals by climbing some stairs
spice spire
i can tear my muscles in 4 globals by climbing some stairs
Gotta get those gains king
loud light
bleed build means I haven't had to scream when the arcane mage orbital drops a mob just barely into kingsbane
so that's been nice
runic hinge
(Internal bleeding)
You just had your PvP build on
waxen oyster
Idk bleed's st isnt that shit
runic hinge
(They play bleed with ttb and ib)
runic hinge
It’s fine as long as you get a dm in execute
If you’re only getting one dm it can be not great but that also meant the boss died in less than 2 minutes so fuck it
sly yoke
Idk bleed's st isnt that shit
it's okay just staying above 50% on st is 🥱
sly yoke
at least you have energy on aoe
royal lantern
it's okay just staying above 50% on st is 🥱
can also just not do it
waxen oyster
That's just the spec
runic hinge
Yeha I mean it’s not like it’s huge gains to stay above 50
tall atlas
what the biggest sudden demise we have seen
spice surge
47 is the highest ive seen linked
balmy condor
yeh I saw 47 linked
iron geode
damn i just did 48 n deleted it rip
humble verge
lethal dose is legit one of the best talents on the entire tree
just remove crimson tempest for ironwire, wdym
cunning ruin
where can i find the bleed build
humble verge
!guide
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humble verge
wowhead
cunning ruin
tyy
nimble tartan
guys i picked a ring that was not bis from my vault 4 weeks ago but now its bis
god is good
tall atlas
was a 10 flood everything was just dying
nimble tartan
!fuu
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humble verge
well, still :3
tall atlas
thank you though i appreciate the advice ill up it more
humble verge
could easily get a lot of cs damage on the first pack if you just keep on the big 3000 guy
nimble tartan
hoop of the blighted
nimble tartan
i was like bro this ring gonna sim higher i just picked it over a socket but i was wrong
but then now im right
🫃
buoyant herald
I literally never have CS as even close to #2 with bleed build, envenom just doesn’t do enough damage
humble verge
hmmm
buoyant herald
That breakdown looks pretty normal for me
humble verge
well, spending a good 6 month doing uptime on CS
its my #2 atleast
even in bleed
ok nvm, i guess even in the keys i did its not #2
but feels like it tho
maybe im thinking about the high keys when i was spamming CT D:
buoyant herald
My rupture is always a decent chunk above and usually sanguine blades too
restive glade
i was like bro this ring gonna sim higher i just picked it over a socket but i w...
crafted ring simmed 1% higher raid spec, .5% higher bleed for me 🦧
dense cove
Caustic is always my number 2 in keys as bleed build
humble verge
this is from a 15 running hybrid, comparably i spam a lot of cs ig
restive glade
isn’t @winged sun the chad m+ rogue here
humble verge
he is the r1 yes
buoyant herald
Caustic should be #1 when you’re taking KB for sure but I just don’t see how you g et that much when playing bleed
sly yoke
hot take but if your coustic is that high with bleed, you are envenoming too much
buoyant herald
Rupture just too much when you’re maintaining scent stacks in aoe
humble verge
a yellow trying to lecture in #assassination 🤨
buoyant herald
Bro you can’t call them that anymore
humble verge
sorry, chink
humble verge
restive glade
Uber link ur wowlogs I wanna see how good u are (I know ur better than me)
restive glade
pugged my 13 dfc for tank not to pickup candle last boss 
99 parse on coc fuck u buddy
humble verge
like week 2
it "was"
a r1
but it didnt lock in
so it became a r1
omegacope amirite
sly yoke
I quit after alpha testing df and only came back in season 1 tww but here are my private logs from SL
sly yoke
private logging
restive glade
big spec swapper
sly yoke
still private now?
some dude posted a couple but most got deleted by rl wehn guild died
restive glade
this is from a 15 running hybrid, comparably i spam a lot of cs ig
u have 99 parses all m+ so actually u can have speaking stick
humble verge
u have 99 parses all m+ so actually u can have speaking stick
doesnt require a lot
restive glade
top parses h gally have spatter as #1 dmg and I swear looking pic and asking I’m still confused bc caustic is my like fucking #5 😡
humble verge
top parses h gally have spatter as #1 dmg and I swear looking pic and asking I’m...
padding
restive glade
literally went through their positioning replay for 5 top parses and copied it but ads die too fast b4 I can position to pad my dmg
I feel like I got some basic misunderstanding on how caustic works idk man
humble verge
literally went through their positioning replay for 5 top parses and copied it b...
padding
well
in this term
boosting + padding
this is the r1 on gally
restive glade
should just ignore monke parse numbers to be tbh but how else I feel good about game
nimble tartan
Dropping circlet?
ya its like 0.4% better now ez stam gains
nimble tartan
crafted ring simmed 1% higher raid spec, .5% higher bleed for me 🦧
ima have to sim..
runic hinge
tight laurel
i dont have house of cards yet, I can buy Signet or Seaforium mythic which one should i buy first?
HoC hero neither
royal lantern
<:garf:1320173032743899157> should just ignore monke parse numbers to be tbh but...
bro
runic hinge
i dont have house of cards yet, I can buy Signet or Seaforium mythic which one s...
Signet
royal lantern
when you start parse chasing, you allready lost
its super pointless
nobody cares about them, nobody will ever check them and suddenly DM you about them
high parses are always a giga cheese fest where many things are out of your controll
just dont
boss dead and be happy
quasi ingot
^
royal lantern
like, if a boss is dead and you instantly check the shity number and then feel bad cus its not pink or orange
you should take a break lol
quasi ingot
i go for grey parses with dead bosses. thats the real end game 🙂 floor pov = best pov
restive glade
this why I think if I knew my iq I’d be more discontent about life, either I know I’m stupid or smart and should b doing better
sometimes knowing less is just better
quasi ingot
but you cant compare it to people who legit have the entire raid play around them so they can pad it
balmy condor
Ignorance is a blessing tbh
normal mist
Thats why i don't know half of the commands
balmy condor
Can you imagine how happy the people are that just grey parse normal raids but don’t know what parses are
normal mist
TRUE
runic hinge
Ignorance is a blessing tbh
Preach
normal mist
THEY SEE BOSS DEAD AND THEY PARTY
royal lantern
Boss dead is better than parsing pink but you wipe at 3%
man, i didnt care that my raden kill in nyalotha was a 2
cus i had 19nerds screaming in my ear cus i killed it as last man standing with evasion up
evasion kills are the absolute best thing in the game, nothing comes close to that hype
humble verge
@balmy condor are you raiding now or
runic hinge
evasion kills are the absolute best thing in the game, nothing comes close to th...
I did that on our sprocket rexlear last week. Idk why it went so haywire
nimble tartan
i get dms
humble verge
u get dms
humble verge
🤨
runic hinge
That’s nice
nimble tartan
mhmm
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> are you raiding now or
1 hour 7 minutes
humble verge
:D
restive glade
for bleed how does my dmg makeup look
balmy condor
Sang/gar maybe a bit low
balmy condor
how much of a dmg loss is no monk buff inraid
2.5%ish
balmy condor
monk is physical damage yes
humble verge
well, thats unironically news
balmy condor
bruh
warrior is agi buff
priest is stam buff
mage is int buff
druid is vers buff
shaman is extra autos + mastery buff
hunter is extra damage >90% hp
monk is phys debuff
dh is magic debuff
spice surge
Fairly sure the monk debuff is from BFA 💀
balmy condor
I think in rough order of value is warrior/shaman > druid/monk > lust > dh > hunter
but don't take that too literally idk all the values off the top of my head
I think warrior is like 4.5% and hunter is 0.5%
so the rest are somewhere in that range
gilded oasis
I think in rough order of value is warrior/shaman > druid/monk > lust > dh > hun...
this is the absolute list and I will die by it
balmy condor
my therapist has seen your mp4s
haughty flicker
wtf i heard bshout is 4.9% but whispyr is claiming its only 4.5% why is mr theorycrafter sandbagging
haughty flicker
good
spice spire
my therapist has seen your mp4s
Have they seen my hog?
spice surge
Cranked or uncranked
runic hinge
Only your toes
spice spire
Cranked or uncranked
My hog is never uncranked king
spice surge
My hog is never uncranked king
King type shit
spice spire
Ty king
dense cove
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
balmy condor
Have they seen my hog?
they've seen your feet and george
my therapist a freak ya know
spice spire
humble verge
Have they seen my hog?
my hog
spice spire
hot
fallow canopy
that's a meaty hog
shy sorrel
Is going stealth between pulls such a big dps gain?
Or is it more that it's nice to do
humble verge
i would say, yes - since youre spending less time manually rapturing
and can get out more garrotes
humble verge
that's a meaty hog
thank you
balmy condor
Is going stealth between pulls such a big dps gain?
it's not worth slowing down the group for
it's often not even worth for the rogue
pulling faster is usually more dps than the gain from restealthing would be
humble verge
bro holy shit your hands are thicc
idk, feel my hands are small, do have a tendency to fstfigner
yesh ol
fuck
shy sorrel
it's not worth slowing down the group for
Is that the same for Bleed build?
humble verge
whats the correct position to caustisc works on gally myth?
the adds will prolly be hit by it, dw
if you look at the pins, whisp made an example of it
ashen scroll
my caustic overall is doing pretty low damage
balmy condor
Is that the same for Bleed build?
yes
balmy condor
whats the correct position to caustisc works on gally myth?
you can't control if caustic hits or not
it's based on the target
the jails are either close enough or they aren't
regardless of anything you do
ashen scroll
yeah thats sad
buoyant herald
another great example of why you shouldn't get too caught up on parsing
alpine grotto
For mythic+ 10-12, outlaw has better overall dps than assa?
buoyant herald
can do
subtle kiln
yes, but you’re dealing with killing spree
coral ibex
tried to do the 3 heal strat for mugzee, short on damage 
nova kelp
you can still do some wild numbers with straight KiR builds
but also, I cbf making more sets and putting more time into em
quartz relic
balmy condor
bleed
runic hinge
I might play hybrid next week just to change it up
nova kelp
I've thought about that occasionally but like, bleed be so chill
runic hinge
That’s true
ionic kiln
Yay! I have officially hit 3k rating on my Assassin Rogue using the Bleed build.
runic hinge
I’m at 2983 but if I time my next two 13’s as hybrid I can’t say that
Difficult choice
subtle kiln
Don’t need hybrid for 13s
runic hinge
No I don’t. I just wanna play kb and poison bomb for keys and they sim pretty much the same. I’m not playing zeross cleave build for a 13 if that’s what you’re thinking.
runic hinge
Kb does suck but having caustic beat CT in a few keys might be cool
hushed frigate
does anyone know if the Belt is delve only?
balmy condor
the 11.1.7 belt comes from delves yes
hushed frigate
yea but is only usable in delves or no cause i wanna make sure lol
balmy condor
no its usable everywhere
hushed frigate
awesomeeeee
just didnt see on wowhead or anything about it being like best in slot for gear
nimble tartan
whats the mask build chat
balmy condor
just didnt see on wowhead or anything about it being like best in slot for gear
well the patch just hit PTR
so yeah
hushed frigate
Sounds about right lol
balmy condor
belt isn't out for like 6 weeks
hushed frigate
Now gonna wonder what would be best for assassin and outlaw on the power of the belt.
balmy condor
Now gonna wonder what would be best for assassin and outlaw on the power of the ...
right now the belt is super shit so depends what they're gonna tune it to
restive glade
hmmmm leach or avoid
suffering from success
hushed frigate
Oh really lol wow
I thought it might be good i notice it doesn't have secondary stats but ya
balmy condor
the procs are really weak atm
only thing that's funny is the vers
insane amount of vers
the rest is whatever
slender shadow
does Kingsbane do more damage with lust?
balmy condor
another fun one is you can swap the belt proc can be changed during combat
slender shadow
like you just get max stacks faster?
restive glade
hmmmm leach or avoid
gut feeling I feel like leech blows balls (don’t listen to me)
balmy condor
so the strat is to hotswap effects 24/7
balmy condor
like you just get max stacks faster?
correct
kingsbane isn't hasted
but you attack faster
which is more poisons
hushed frigate
another fun one is you can swap the belt proc can be changed during combat
That's interesting
restive glade
like you just get max stacks faster?
kb ramps so if ur autos go faster and autos apply poison = fast
whispyr I remember u said assa rogue is cracked one arm, I’m benched for one arm is it worth trying to persuade raid lead to let me in
hushed frigate
Well what else are they bringing to one arm
balmy condor
whispyr I remember u said assa rogue is cracked one arm, I’m benched for one arm...
you are insano boss damage but after nerfs and the rep buff and stuff frankly idk if it's needed anymore lmao
so like
maybe?
that's just the pain of being a non-cleave spec
restive glade
restive glade
that's just the pain of being a non-cleave spec
caustic is cleave 
balmy condor
yeah but you don't do shit with it
loud light
benched for a surv hunter, what's the world coming to
restive glade
to b tbh it’s new guild so maybe it’s just bc I’m new to group 🦧
brittle cloud
Yo, I feel like this raid exposed spread, high prio cleave as a major weakness for assa… is there a consensus on a good fix? Seems like making it easy to move our mark… and/or moving the mark stacks to a player buff would help.
golden loom
Yo, I feel like this raid exposed spread, high prio cleave as a major weakness f...
!rik
prisma monolithBOT
Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)
- Not your problem.
- Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
- If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
- Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels: - Swap to Subtlety.
buoyant herald
really just making mark a buff on player or at least easier to move
proper tapir
New M+ tech posted, TLDR: Hybrid (+2.27%), Bleed (+1.27%); both with rotation changes. Both are still about equal, play what you want! (but Hybrid is about 4% better in Single Target if bosses matter to you). Raidbot doesn’t include this so use the custom APL (linked), if you want. #1065730164077645916 message
buoyant herald
but realistically there are a few specs that don't like hard target swapping, we're just the ones who hate it the most perhaps
wise plume
priests are so unbelievably bad this season, wtf happened
brittle cloud
**Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)**
- Not your problem.
-...
Yeah, I meant a solution blizz could implement to fix this.
buoyant herald
whysper may already have a bit to say on this on the wowhead thingy
balmy condor
Possible solution would be not making every fights have spread cleave
I mean it’s bad for all melee to have spread cleave like this, it’s not really an assa problem
You can tell just from the difference in add damage and specs that get stacked
Boomkin on Stix
Warlocks on oab
buoyant herald
also though, anyone that can ranged cleave can not-ranged cleave by default but not the other way right
so you then say well melee specs melee cleave should be stronger by default, right? RIGHT? and then we're having the target cap argument again
i.e. i should always be stronger in my niche than specs with other niches playing in my area
but thats just not how it works so 🙃
brittle cloud
Yeah, spread cleave was a big focus this raid. I wouldn’t say that’s a bad thing. I’d like to be able to change talents for a fight like that though.
balmy condor
I mean ideally fatebound would be better at that since you wouldn’t need to move deathstalker mark
But fatebound is a mess
brittle cloud
Rt, I guess they could make that a niche that fatebound solves.
I think they’re worried it’d just be the default everywhere then.
buoyant herald
make Flying Daggers apply the FoK range increase to Caustic Spatter as well
brittle cloud
imagine if fb didn't nerf itself
Yeah, without the self nerf fb would be insane, rt?
buoyant herald
sorry that suggestion is utterly demonic but im leaving it there
maybe less demonic if you include the damage effects hmmmmm
brittle cloud
make Flying Daggers apply the FoK range increase to Caustic Spatter as well <:OM...
Don’t think they’re buffing caustic
buoyant herald
yeah im just yapping
all 3 rogue specs can be blade flurry: the spec
as if they're not already
runic hinge
New M+ tech posted, TLDR: Hybrid (+2.27%), Bleed (+1.27%); both with rotation ch...
Interesting
hollow talon
Is corruption stuff time gated or can I farm it after reset tmrw
buoyant herald
looks like it'll take about 3 weeks to max everything according to wowhead post
subtle tundra
babe wake up new merk hyper optimizations for m+ dropped
runic hinge
slate crown
so the strat is to hotswap effects 24/7
spice spire
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1342153461042774070/IM...
Us?
spice spire
?
subtle tundra
i asked nicely
lethal arrow
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JVpycRCdaqM7KNrk?fight=last&type=damage-don...
do remember to envenom before you deathmark
sharp viper
runic hinge
yes just make sure you kill 3 goblin packs every run otherwise you get 10 crests...
how come it gave me runed crests
drifting cloud
how come it gave me runed crests
did you think it was 15 gilded per 5 min run
drifting cloud
ya
runic hinge
somehow i missed that part
distant hinge
New M+ tech posted, TLDR: Hybrid (+2.27%), Bleed (+1.27%); both with rotation ch...
how to get the import sting for build? cant copy paste from the doc. Would like to try this out
distant plinth
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
dusky vault
Does fatebound require different stat weight? Its currently simming about 1% worse than DS for me.
runic hinge
it doesnt require anything but i think it does like crit a little more than DS does
dusky vault
Ok thanks, yeah my stats are pretty well balanced for DS at the moment
runic hinge
Ok thanks, yeah my stats are pretty well balanced for DS at the moment
from the wowhead guide
i dont like fatebound right now tho cause not getting lucky coin is a big feels bad
red schooner
The solution is to not play fatebound, don't hurt yourself like this
runic hinge
I did for one sprocket kill
and i did 300k less cause i didnt get coin til my 3rd dm and we killed 30 seconds later
red schooner
I just didn't swap because I am resistant to change
runic hinge
i wanted to try it and it felt bad, lesson learned
distant plinth
babe wake up new merk hyper optimizations for m+ dropped
ooooh you still playin? thought u were finished after gally XD
runic hinge
https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243
look how balanced i am
dusky vault
Wait nvm my fatebound loadout had spatter talented, now its 1.5% higher. That makes more sense.
runic hinge
ez gains
dusky vault
Perfectly balanced
shy creek
New M+ tech posted, TLDR: Hybrid (+2.27%), Bleed (+1.27%); both with rotation ch...
Pretty cool stuff, a lot of optimizations that I figured were optimizations like only casting envenom during shiv
slate crown
look how balanced i am
Looks like you need more vers
runic hinge
true
shy creek
Idk anything about simming, but everything you've said sounds right
runic hinge
I will regem
slate crown
🫡
runic hinge
accidentally put my meta gem on bottom and ive wanted to change it since
slate crown
Yeah I should call her
runic hinge
dawn seal
guys I figured out my last raid parse problem
is not using a tempered potion a big deal ?
dusky vault
Mines been sitting in my helmet since week 4 💀
dusky vault
is not using a tempered potion a big deal ?
About 2% I think, last time I simmed
shy creek
is not using a tempered potion a big deal ?
Its not a huge deal, but you should be using them
dawn seal
oh
shy creek
Feel free to post a log for most detail
dawn seal
okay thats not my issue then
shy creek
I'll read it before I sleep
dawn seal
I kinda did the same dps when I had 6 ilvls lower like couple weeks ago
I am not planning my cd window properly is what I realised
dusky vault
Kind of unfortunate fight timing, bosses come together around 6:20 too, if memory serves, which is nice for assa
shy creek
Just in terms of planning alone
Your legs are missing tier 3 enchant
Your belt and bracers need enchant
You could've use TWO tempered potions over the course of the fight
You didn't have food on when you started the fight either
golden loom
6:10 is a giga long kill timer also
shy creek
In terms of kingsbane, you need to be pooling mroe before youyr kingsbane
gloomy heart
pee
shy creek
This is your 2nd kingsbane
10 stacks before it fell of
10 stacks before it fell off
Should be hitting 50 consistently if you're pooling
dusky vault
Cast to much FoK as well
lethal arrow
shouldnt be casting FoK on this fight
golden loom
I mean you can FoK
to clear the witness during either lingering or when they are clashing
shy creek
You miss a second dry shiv on your second deathmark
lethal arrow
tthe missing enchants and prepots are probably a bigger problem
shy creek
They 100% are not
golden loom
like all of these things are just very very minor compared to missing ilvl and having a 2 min slower kill time than normal
lethal arrow
missing a dry shiv isnt the worst thing in the world
shy creek
a 10 stack kingsbane is though
But yeah also the kill timer is a bit unfortunate as well
golden loom
problem with Kingsbane is that he casts it on flarendo and swaps to torq durin git
shy creek
Ooooh, yeah that would be an issue
lethal arrow
yeah tahts a problem
golden loom
but I mean KB damage is whatever at the end of the day
lethal arrow
probably too worried about swapping his mark over
shy creek
Yeah, @dawn seal you can use vanish in these fights to swap ur deathstalker's mark
lethal arrow
u have plenty of time to farm up a darknest night during clash
shy creek
Vanish doesn't have any usage other than that in the current rotation
lethal arrow
or just press vanish once phase ends
ur too worried about making sure ur mark is on the right target
golden loom
when people are killing the boss in 4-4:30 min you are not gonna compete for great parses with a 6:10 kill timer at the end of the day
royal lantern
In terms of kingsbane, you need to be pooling mroe before youyr kingsbane
thats not really a huge thing?
like, you need 100% envenom uptime, thats it
there is not really some "bigtime pooling" going on
royal lantern
can hold 2-3 seconds if you are at literally 0energy
shy creek
Assa too easy to play to get high parse without playing basically even the small things well
shy creek
???
lethal arrow
yeah fight timer matters a lot
most of these top logs are ending as they pop 3rd set of 2 min
past marten
Did you guys check if he messed up his mark when switching? I'm on mobile..
royal lantern
bro sorry but going "parse is influenced by kb pooling" is a cooked af take when pooling is a nearly 100% dead concept lol
shy creek
Yea uwu said that
lethal arrow
yeah
kb pooling means nothing lol
just send it
if u miss an envenom its not gunna gut you 300k dps lol
its worse if it misaligns with DM
dusky vault
Assa is one of those specs where all the little things add up so it does all matters. Also a very condensed spec between top and mid so little things matter. Not having enchants for mythic is kinda cooked too.
lethal arrow
i still think the missing enchants/food/prepots is the biggest issue
shy creek
i mean realistically its all issues
golden loom
you can play a KB "perfeclty" or send one at 0 energy, but that one can still crit and do more dam
shy creek
im not here to argue whats bigger, he has lots of issues, im just pointing them out lmao
lethal arrow
but like telling him to pool for kingsbane is such a non issue tbh
static glacier
you can play a KB "perfeclty" or send one at 0 energy, but that one can still cr...
is it that likely you'd cap stacks on 0 energy no dm?
shy creek
is it that likely you'd cap stacks on 0 energy no dm?
You can't cap on stacks with pooling
royal lantern
is it that likely you'd cap stacks on 0 energy no dm?
wdym lol
shy creek
You don't even really get close
royal lantern
??????
shy creek
Its just a weak ability
golden loom
I mean its all RNG
royal lantern
guys what the fuck are we even talking about rn
its kb
keep envenom running
thats all
golden loom
90%+ poison procs is from autoattacks
red schooner
static glacier
I thought stack cap was kinda low, not actually looked at the stack number since df
royal lantern
you get 50 stacks by having envenom up unless rng says fuck you hard lol
golden loom
its 50
static glacier
so someone's big cap
golden loom
I would assume it usually caps but I have no idea cause theres no reason to track it, cant really control it either so who cares
golden loom
yeah but I dont look at my buff icons usually
lethal arrow
i dont even have a tracker for it
red schooner
I would assume it usually caps but I have no idea cause theres no reason to trac...
Stack haste, attack quicker, easy cap
lethal arrow
u just dont have to worry about it lol
static glacier
I can just check recent gally
lethal arrow
KB when its up
red schooner
There's a secret haste breakpoint that the theorycrafters don't want you to know about FR FR
lethal arrow
fit in as many envenoms as oyu have energy for
shy creek
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
- Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
- Only one pooling condition exists (pool around 4 seconds before non-deathmark kingsbanes until 150ish energy). This is worth 0.3%
- Other optimizations are simply not impactful enough to show a benefit in sims, but pooling before quick-dying add spawns could in theory be a practical gain to pad.
golden loom
well looking at my sprocket kill it always hit 50
shy creek
idk i just leave it at that, its not huge deal, not sure why u guys are having a stroke over it, i said it, its an optimization, its not bad advice, take it easy LOL
lethal arrow
yeah but like
royal lantern
well looking at my sprocket kill it always hit 50
you hit 50unless you drop envenom
shy creek
i said like 7-8 things as well
red schooner
idk i just leave it at that, its not huge deal, not sure why u guys are having a...
Is it even the assassination channel if we don't lose our collective shit over some small detail?
static glacier
yeah u cap regardless
shy creek
i killed tyran's family over kingsbane its true
red schooner
shit that's about the same shape as a toblerone post shrinkflation
runic hinge
There's a secret haste breakpoint that the theorycrafters don't want you to know...
It’s 25%. That’s why I have 25% haste and not just cause I’m wearing big haste rings for fun and stuff
static glacier
It’s 25%. That’s why I have 25% haste and not just cause I’m wearing big haste r...
welp I recrafted everything for outlaw
wont be playing sin on reclear for a week or two
runic hinge
I made a second rogue to try it